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Coast is Clare · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with our radio. Oh my gosh, Ashley, there's so much
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  Speaker 1: to talk about this week. Every single week there is
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  Speaker 1: a top pop culture headline that comes out of the show. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there is. But like, here's the thing. We're gonna break
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  Speaker 1: down this week's episode, and we're gonna do it in
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  Speaker 1: a way that we've never done it before. I have
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  Speaker 1: some strong opinions about this week's episode, like strong opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, from the group date from Um, you know
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  Speaker 1: how Claire handled some of these breakups. I mean I
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  Speaker 1: would I think, uh that a fan favorite initially got
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  Speaker 1: let go. We have to talk about that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he was your fame because he was like aesthetically pleasing exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So let's let's we're gonna talk all about this. In
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  Speaker 1: addition to that, Uh, it's great to be here with you.
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  Speaker 1: Um is another week of Claire season. This is week two.
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  Speaker 1: We were excited to be with all of you listeners,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, I think we dive into it with a story.
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  Speaker 1: UM that is that is not fun to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: but it is one that has been all over the
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  Speaker 1: headlines and and really all of the headlines this week
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  Speaker 1: in multiple ways. The story is this Ashley a Bear
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  Speaker 1: and JP Rosenbaum split after eight years of marriage. The
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  Speaker 1: quote is this, our differences have taken a toll. This
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  Speaker 1: was so crazy last week when this broke was probably
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  Speaker 1: on Wednesday. I'm just like texting all of my friends.
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  Speaker 1: It's everywhere on Instagram and on Twitter. And it's funny
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  Speaker 1: because like, these two have lived relatively private lives for
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  Speaker 1: I'd definitely almost since they got married, right, Uh, they
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  Speaker 1: you know, continue with their regular jobs. She's a dentist,
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  Speaker 1: he worked in construction. And it's amazing how connected we
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  Speaker 1: feel to these people that we were introduced to on
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  Speaker 1: the show. But even even though we haven't seen them
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  Speaker 1: for so long. I remember being in the Bachelor mansion
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  Speaker 1: on Chris Souls this season and she was do with
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  Speaker 1: the first baby any moment and the girls in the
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  Speaker 1: house where like, you guys have to let us know
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  Speaker 1: when she has the baby, and it was like a
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  Speaker 1: big deal, and she had the baby, and it's just
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  Speaker 1: crazy to think that was six years ago and we
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  Speaker 1: still feel very attached to their love story even though
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  Speaker 1: it aired ten years ago. It's uh, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it is weird and and I know you. You and
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  Speaker 1: I have talked about before, like when we break down
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  Speaker 1: couples who have been married from the franchise, they're always
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  Speaker 1: brought up, but there's this mystery behind like around them,
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  Speaker 1: right like they're celebrated, they're they're they're beloved UM and
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  Speaker 1: completely respected within Bachelor Nation, but there's always been a
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  Speaker 1: mystery behind them because I don't know, call it like
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  Speaker 1: the first generation kind of a bachelor and bachelor It's
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  Speaker 1: like they kind of sat in that generation where where
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  Speaker 1: you couldn't keep up with their daily lives via social media. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they definitely had more privacy, they weren't there still to
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  Speaker 1: this day, aren't expected to be sharing so much of
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  Speaker 1: their relationship. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, so it's it's pre social media,
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  Speaker 1: but they're still known. And this headline came out and
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  Speaker 1: and it came out of nowhere. I mean obviously we
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  Speaker 1: we wouldn't be in the know and we wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: had like hints at this um and they have asked
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  Speaker 1: everybody to respect their privacy. So you know, let's not
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  Speaker 1: jump into details about it. But as the week went on,
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  Speaker 1: we do have some headlines that were reported from US Weekly. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: their house when on the market for one point one
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  Speaker 1: million in Pine Crest, Florida. They have came out publicly
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  Speaker 1: with a statement. From everything I know, and I've only
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  Speaker 1: met JP and Ashley one time. Uh, JP especially is
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  Speaker 1: a voice that I know a lot of guys within
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  Speaker 1: the franchise still listened to and still lean on, like
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  Speaker 1: he was a guy that they really respected. Not to
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  Speaker 1: say that one person is more motion the other one,
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  Speaker 1: but jps Instagram message about this was a was a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more detailed. I feel like it was slightly
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  Speaker 1: more heartfelt and not. But yeah, here we are. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to speculate. We are a podcast talk about hot
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  Speaker 1: topics of postnations. So I'm sorry that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: speculate a little bit. But I had my sister, you know,
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  Speaker 1: my sister read the messages that they had on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: and the press release and all that, and then she said,
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like politics. To me, it sounds like they
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  Speaker 1: were disagreeing in politics. And then, um, I sent the
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  Speaker 1: article to my best friend who I watched that season
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  Speaker 1: like so wholeheartedly with, and she said, separately, it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like politics. And then I was like, oh, wow, that's
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  Speaker 1: so interesting. And then I read it again, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it is, Maybe it was. Maybe in this divisive
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  Speaker 1: climate that we are that we're living in, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've seen this now a couple of times.
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  Speaker 1: We've heard stories about this, and I think this is
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  Speaker 1: a good time to throw to our listeners. UM, listeners
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  Speaker 1: who are in relationships or or even if you aren't,
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  Speaker 1: please email us at ben in Ashley i heeart media
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  Speaker 1: dot com or hashtag us Almost Famous Podcast. Do you
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  Speaker 1: feel like now more than ever, for however old you are,
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  Speaker 1: you've obviously seen and been a part of an election cycle? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: do you feel like now things are more divisive than
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  Speaker 1: ever and so divisive that they could cause internal conflict
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  Speaker 1: within your relationship? I mean, this is a serious question
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  Speaker 1: that I think we're hearing about, especially in Bachelor Nation,
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  Speaker 1: where couples are splitting or couples are having these disagreements. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And then the follow up question that if you could
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  Speaker 1: write us, how do you work through these massive issues
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  Speaker 1: if both sides are very passionate about one side or
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  Speaker 1: the other. This is Uh, this is something that could
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  Speaker 1: be helpful not only for us, but also I think
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  Speaker 1: our listeners and I think we should totally mention that
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  Speaker 1: both of them made a very big deal to the
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  Speaker 1: fact that there was no one moment, no incident that
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  Speaker 1: broke up this marriage. And while it seems sudden to
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  Speaker 1: us as fans, it's a no, it was in no
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  Speaker 1: way a sudden thing for them. They said, it's that
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  Speaker 1: they're The tension between them or their their arguments have
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  Speaker 1: been lasting for years and now they just don't feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's a healthy environment for their children to be
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  Speaker 1: living in. Well, uh, we're wishing them the best, it's
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  Speaker 1: super said. Um, it's never it's never ideal to hear this,
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  Speaker 1: but we wish them both. Um, you know, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I don't even know what to say in
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  Speaker 1: in the midst of a split, but it's it's what
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  Speaker 1: I do know is we wish them both that this
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  Speaker 1: is the right decision for them, and that they're both
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  Speaker 1: able to move forward, um and still have a life
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  Speaker 1: that is healing and they can process all this and
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  Speaker 1: move on in whatever way they choose to. But it
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  Speaker 1: is a shock to the system, I think, Uh, I
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  Speaker 1: think I would say that for me, it was a
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  Speaker 1: shock to the system to see this coming through. It
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  Speaker 1: was not what I expected um at all. Well, speaking
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  Speaker 1: of things not expected, uh uh. I think Clear season,
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  Speaker 1: we're getting the more as we go on through the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna break it down later on with Michelle Money
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  Speaker 1: and Ashley and I are going to break it down.
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  Speaker 1: But Claire season is definitely a shock to the system
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  Speaker 1: as well. It feels like we're getting we're hinting at
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  Speaker 1: something that we've never seen before. In fact, Claire speaks
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  Speaker 1: to it. She says, um she was asked a question
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  Speaker 1: about how she blew up the Bachelorette and her quote is,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't let anybody tell me what to do this
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  Speaker 1: according to people, Yeah, she said, I didn't let anybody
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  Speaker 1: tell me what to do because I know what's best
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  Speaker 1: for myself. She said that she did do what she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do. Looking back on her season, she has
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  Speaker 1: no regrets. Uh. She said that she wasn't talked into
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  Speaker 1: or even encouraged to do something that she didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to do. And she says that she thinks that, um,
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  Speaker 1: it goes so far in the world of the Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: because of the past that people always wonder did the
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  Speaker 1: producers make you do this? And she says that never
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  Speaker 1: once did I do something that I didn't want to do.
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  Speaker 1: This was the season that I got to do things
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  Speaker 1: my own way. So I mean that's great. I think
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  Speaker 1: that with this season, especially being that there's this major,
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  Speaker 1: uh teased twist in the middle of it, I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to think, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: like what she was being a diva? She you know,
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  Speaker 1: they probably wanted her out of it and they encouraged
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  Speaker 1: her to go one direction to the other. Or even
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  Speaker 1: in last night's episode, Um, you see the way that
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  Speaker 1: she reacts to the guys, um when they didn't stand
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  Speaker 1: up and asked to have time with her, and part
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  Speaker 1: of me even things like did somebody set her off
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes even more than what we just saw,
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  Speaker 1: because like that was a very big reaction. Um. But
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  Speaker 1: she's saying here that like everything was her her say,
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  Speaker 1: her decision. Yeah, I mean, we we knew we were
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  Speaker 1: going to get something unique with clear Like we knew
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  Speaker 1: this was going to look different in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 1: She's been around the show for years now. She knows
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  Speaker 1: how it works, she knows um what she wants. I
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  Speaker 1: mean we see her saying it on you know, on
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  Speaker 1: the teaser of the episode, like she's here for one
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  Speaker 1: reason because she hasn't settled before. She doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: settle now. And we're definitely seeing a new type of
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  Speaker 1: lead this season, Like Claire is definitely um more outspoken
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  Speaker 1: from the get go. Uh, she definitely has a direction
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  Speaker 1: in mind. You can see that like, Hey, I want
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  Speaker 1: this to go this way, and if you're not on
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  Speaker 1: board with that, like I'm gonna ask you to go home.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know what it means when she blew
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  Speaker 1: up the Bachelorette, but I I'm I'm now intrigued more
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  Speaker 1: than ever with how she's kind of walking through this
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  Speaker 1: season and knowing that, like the rumors out there that
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  Speaker 1: she blew up the Bachelorette, Like was this part of
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  Speaker 1: her doing? Was this forced onto her? You know? Did
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  Speaker 1: this come out of nowhere? Like I'm super interested in
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  Speaker 1: the storyline now to see how did this culminate to
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  Speaker 1: an end for Claire if it did, and was is
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  Speaker 1: it something that ended happily for her or not? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's almost like she's jumping the gun here by saying, like,
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  Speaker 1: what you're going to see unfold in the next couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks was me it was? Don't ever think that
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  Speaker 1: it was it was, Yeah, that's interesting. Well, uh, you
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  Speaker 1: know Tassia Adams, who are rumored to step in at
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  Speaker 1: some point. We still don't know if that's true or
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  Speaker 1: not or anything about that. But Tashia Adam weighs in
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  Speaker 1: on this and she says, uh, weighs in on Clear
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  Speaker 1: season and says, it's just like a bizarre event watching
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  Speaker 1: this season unfold. She she says a couple of things like,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's weird to see people kiss, It's weird to
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  Speaker 1: see people get close to each other. I agree, that's
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  Speaker 1: been odd. Like I mean, even when I'm watching movies
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  Speaker 1: that were recorded and even like put Out to Fear
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  Speaker 1: as pre COVID anything on TV where people are like
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  Speaker 1: in close proximity to each other, I'm like, what, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta back up. There's like there's this little thing in
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  Speaker 1: my head that's just like bbbb back up. Uh. It
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  Speaker 1: just feels weird. But but with the bad to right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it's not as weird because
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  Speaker 1: you you just they were so open about the steps
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  Speaker 1: that they went through. But the Chase is saying, it
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  Speaker 1: is funny the way that we are finally able to
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  Speaker 1: see human interaction on TV without mass without separation. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we can, like as fans, just completely
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  Speaker 1: forget that these people were locked in quarantine no matter what,
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  Speaker 1: for months leading up to this show. So like there
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  Speaker 1: is a lot of like built up energy and there
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  Speaker 1: is a lot of like I would say this. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel this way, actually, but
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  Speaker 1: like talking to people right out of quarantine felt weird,
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  Speaker 1: like in person, like I had a hard time making
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  Speaker 1: eye contact. I had a hard time like yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: it was weird because I spent so much time alone
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  Speaker 1: and so much time like locked in the house that
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  Speaker 1: when I was introduced to the public again, it took
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  Speaker 1: me a bit to kind of get my like social skills.
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  Speaker 1: I guess if you want to call them that, like
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  Speaker 1: back and what's his name? Is it Brandon? Maybe Brandon
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  Speaker 1: suffered from this, Yeah, could be look to was that
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  Speaker 1: were it's super prockerad. We'll get into that in a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. And I mean it's it is true, like ash,
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's a weird show to be watching right
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  Speaker 1: now because it's going against everything we're used to in
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  Speaker 1: the world. We're getting used to masks, we're getting used
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  Speaker 1: to not hugging, getting used to not hands. We can't
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  Speaker 1: even handshake. These people are making out and I'm watching
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  Speaker 1: it's going whoa, Like this feels like hard to watch
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  Speaker 1: more than ever. It's always hard for me to watch.
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  Speaker 1: I always have to look through my hands the way
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  Speaker 1: it is. But like it feels weirder now because we're
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  Speaker 1: just not used to it. Yeah, I got it, um
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  Speaker 1: recently or because we move on to the next headline
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  Speaker 1: that I feel like, I don't know if I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: be able to articulate this. Well, I have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of feelings about it. Yeah, I know you would, and
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  Speaker 1: hopefully you hopefully you can talk about it better than
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  Speaker 1: I can. But go for it. Read the headline. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So actually I want to put you on the spot
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  Speaker 1: a little because I want to understand who he's coming from.
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  Speaker 1: Well you can, you can, but I'll understand. I'll let
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  Speaker 1: you know why. Here the headline eat this bachelor at
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  Speaker 1: front runner. Dale Moss, who we've seen a lot of
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  Speaker 1: in the first couple of weeks of this season, said
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  Speaker 1: he wants a Ryan Seacrest career in recent interviews. So
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  Speaker 1: my first thought to this is, um, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: I'm if I'm gonna be negative it's Hey, let's not
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  Speaker 1: like Ryan Seacrest has worked his butt off to get
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  Speaker 1: where he's at, so like, this doesn't come easy, not
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  Speaker 1: staring saying Dale is not willing to work that hard,
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  Speaker 1: but like Ryan has grinded for years of his life,
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  Speaker 1: and he is a busy, busy man. He is probably
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  Speaker 1: the busiest man a ton part of life. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like that's a big statement. Now, obviously Dale
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  Speaker 1: is shooting for the stars. Ashley to understand where Dale
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  Speaker 1: is coming from, because I think for most listeners immediately
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  Speaker 1: they go, hey, uh, this feels weird because he went
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  Speaker 1: on a show and he's already talking about like kind
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  Speaker 1: of what's next now to relate with this though, Actually,
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  Speaker 1: you went on the show excited about the opportunity, but
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  Speaker 1: you've been very open about it. Hey, you have you
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  Speaker 1: have your masters and journalism. Uh, you really wanted this
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  Speaker 1: to help your career. You weren't against idea of finding love.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously you found love on it, but you really wanted
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  Speaker 1: this to be an enhancement to the things that you've
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  Speaker 1: always dreamed of. So when you read this headline as
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  Speaker 1: somebody that can relate, what's your first thought, Well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's my first thought, but when I
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  Speaker 1: think deeply on it, I have to say that I
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  Speaker 1: would be completely hypocritical if I was saying this sounds
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  Speaker 1: like he's there for the wrong reasons. This is how
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  Speaker 1: I always always articulated it, and I hope this is
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  Speaker 1: how Dale feels. I said, yes, I just graduated with
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  Speaker 1: my masters and broadcast journalism I used. I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: go on the show to gain a platform for doors
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  Speaker 1: to open for me in that field. However, I always
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  Speaker 1: said that if I met my husband and that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the direction that our life was pointed in together, and
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  Speaker 1: I met him on the show, I definitely said that
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  Speaker 1: I would drop that dream and have my ultimate dream,
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  Speaker 1: which would be to have to be married and have
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  Speaker 1: a family. So I prioritize love and family marriage over
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  Speaker 1: the career aspirations going into the show. But I said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: the more realistic the way of thinking about going to
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  Speaker 1: the show is that you're not going to find your
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  Speaker 1: person through it, but you're gonna, you know, gain a
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  Speaker 1: lot of character skills. Perhaps that you're going to travel,
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  Speaker 1: make friendships, get experience, get out of your comfort zone. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but I know it's unrealistic especially on The Bachelor, to
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  Speaker 1: be like, I'm going to be the one of the
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  Speaker 1: thirty that ends up with this person and then not
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  Speaker 1: only ends up with him at the end of the show,
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  Speaker 1: but like ends up actually getting married. So I had
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  Speaker 1: like a realistic approach and then like a dream approach
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  Speaker 1: to it, and amazing, I ended up with both. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I'm definitely an exception to the rule there,
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  Speaker 1: and as I am in many instances. So I guess
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  Speaker 1: the bottom line is I hope that Dale has the
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  Speaker 1: same sort of intentions. Of course, like I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that you should completely abandon any career aspirations for a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: I think you should find a relationship that allows you
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  Speaker 1: to do both, which is how I should have been
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  Speaker 1: thinking and feeling beforehand too. But yeah, so I hope
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  Speaker 1: Dale it's prioritizing Claire and whatever may come of their
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  Speaker 1: life if they end up together together, then he is
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  Speaker 1: prioritizing becoming the next Ryan Seacrest, because I at the
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  Speaker 1: time when I signed up for the show was like,
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  Speaker 1: I hope to be the next Juliana Ransack or Maria Minnos. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well right, I also, uh, and I didn't realize this,
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  Speaker 1: but as this headline came out, there's obviously an article
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  Speaker 1: about Dale, and it's he says that he is obviously
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  Speaker 1: a model, that we knew that, but I didn't realize
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  Speaker 1: that he was a sports and entertainment host. That was
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  Speaker 1: something I didn't know was on his resume and I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know that was what he was working for. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think for me, this comes at a weird time
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  Speaker 1: because we're seeing clips of the men getting upset with Dale.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: We see clips of the men saying Dale is not
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: who you think he is, and so, like I'm on
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: edge right now, right like Claire is a friend, she
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: he obviously is the front runner. It's not a secret
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: to anybody that he's the front runner. And so, like
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: we said last week, like it targets on his back.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: He's going to be criticized for everything. We'll see how
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: this plays out. But the hope is that like he's
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: in this uh for Claire, and if a career comes
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: from it, which it has for me, it has for you,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and that's fantastic, then great, But um let's make sure
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: that the priorities online because I know you and I
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: gave it about our best shots also to to find
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: love or to at least progresses person and this wasn't
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: a career like ambition first and foremost. Yes, and I
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: always say this season after season, But there is some
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: sort of magic of being in the Bachelor bubble, and
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: that is even when COVID's not around. That if you
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: are in the Bachelor bubble, you're filming and you are
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: not thinking mostly about the person there, and you're thinking
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: more about the after effects of what the show can
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: get you afterward, then I think that's the definition of
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: not being there for the right reasons. If you're not
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: totally your your thoughts aren't completely consumed by that one person,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: and that could I'd say, Yep, you probably shouldn't be
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: there anymore. We haven't heard the right reasons deal in
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: a while yet, but it will come. It will um,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: it will come, and it's always interesting when it happens,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: and it's always interesting now when it happens because it
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: was social media, like a lot of people aren't there
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: for the right reasons. We know that now their feelings
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: may enhance and it might change to be there for
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the right reasons over time. But I think I do.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I think it would be crazy to go on the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: show going, Oh my gosh, I'm going on this to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: find my wife. I'm going on this to find my husband.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Because the chances that you do that are so low. However,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: they're always the backup plan, and sometimes that backup plan
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: uh is the only thing you walk away from uh
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the show with. So we'll see how this plays out.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Interesting headline from et uh Now Ashley, we're gonna move
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: in here, Claire season something. We're gonna break down here
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: in just a bit and uh and we're really excited
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: to do so. This episode really, like I said, really
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: sparked um some deep thoughts in me. But before we
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: start talking about Matt James this season, I think it's
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: now time to take a break and talk a little
• 19:44
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• 19:46
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• 19:50
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• 19:53
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• 19:57
  Speaker 1: like I've mentioned here a couple of times, like my
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: grandma's arms, Like I don't love that. I inherited that
• 20:03
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• 20:07
  Speaker 1: back fat. The list goes on. So I understand how
• 20:11
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• 20:14
  Speaker 1: hitting the gym, you feel like you're doing everything to
• 20:17
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• 20:21
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• 20:23
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  Speaker 1: com slash famous. Well skipping away from Clear Season for
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: a bit, moving on to another season that we do
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: now know is filming. Uh, Matt James's Bachelor season again
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: is filming right now, and we know a lot Ashley,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: what do we know about Matt james A season. Well,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: we know allegedly that it's recording the entire ship bang
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: at nimicolon Woodland Resort in Pennsylvania. And Jason Tartik said
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: that he is a fan of this vacation spot, and uh,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: it's it looks beautiful in pictures. I think it's gonna
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: be a really nice fall setting. Um, you know we're
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: used to seeing like l A. This season, we're gonna
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: see all of Palm Spring or you know, we're gonna
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the entire season is saying taking place in Palm Springs. Uh,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: So I think it'll be nice to kind of change
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: up the atmosphere a bit. They're going if you go online, basically,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: this is where all the rumors have come from. If
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you go online and try to book stay at the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: resort in any time in October and November, you can't
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: book it. So people are like, oh, that's a red flag.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Plus it's a pretty strong sign. Maybe it's on a
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: red flag is a strong sign. And uh we know
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: that the production has a relationship with the Nemicolon resort
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: because they filmed an episode of Joe Joe Season there.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: If you guys remember this is where I think this
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: is where Chad had like the moment where he had
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the two on one and they were in the creek
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: and he said, milk is delicious and then he like
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: kind of tried to go back to the guy's cabin
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: house thing and like scare them. Uh So, so it's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: kind of an epic place. It's kind of a place
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: in Bachelor history already. Well, and it's a huge compliment too,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: like the resort if The Bachelor goes Okay, we have
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: one season to film that we have to be in
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: a bubble. Let's choose this place in Pennsylvania. Like, what
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: a compliment to them as a resource. So it's got
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to be beautiful, it's got to sit up right for
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: what they want. I'm excited to watch it. I mean
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it's kind of going to be like a three month
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: long commercial, uh from the McCollen resort. But like, if
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: it's beautiful and it's well done, I mean, it's impressive
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that the show can kind of pull it off. So
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: we do know that. We also know that it has
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: kind of been released that forty three suitors, that there's
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: forty three potential suitors for Matt James this season. We
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: ABC hasn't released them officially yet, um, but we are
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: getting probably pretty close to that. As soon as Clear
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: season gets a little bit farther along, we'll probably release
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: probably mid December. I feel like that's when they usually
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: announced the Bachelor Girls and uh, they say that the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: season is on track to air out a regular schedule,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: which would be probably the first week of January. And
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I've said it before. I mean I've gotten to talk
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to Matt. Matt is I think he's gonna be great.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I'm really excited for his season. I know it's gonna
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: be a little bit weird for him because he's never
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: been on the show before. I think we're all going
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: to have to kind of expect kind of that newbie
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: feel and him getting a little nervous and a little anxious.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I think he's gonna do fantastic and uh, and I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: mean I'm excited that, you know, the season gets to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: play out. I you know, I was nervous maybe a
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: couple months ago that this was never going to happened
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: for him or Claire. But now we have confirmed that
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: they have started filming. So far, so good. No big
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: news from there, but there is big news from Bachelor
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Nation with the lead of the show. Yes, the one
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: that keeps everything moving, the man who is famous for
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: helping singles navigate the ups and downs of relationships and
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: trying to match people together. Well, he is matched together. Uh.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Bachelor Chris Harrison says that quarantining with his girlfriend was
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a kind of a godsend and his girlfriend is Yes,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Lauren Sima. Yeah. Chris and Lauren have been together for
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: almost two and a half years, and the two of
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: them are constantly on the go, whether it's actually traveling
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: or just working NonStop. Both of them are kind of workaholics.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Lauren gets excited about going to work every day. I
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: talked to her about this. I'm like, you're telling me
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: that you don't get like kind of annoyed that you
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: have to get in the car, get to be constantly
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: camera ready, that you're going this way in that way
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: in l A traffic. And She's like, no, I get
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: like a high off it. I love going to work
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: every day. I feel like Chris does feel the same.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking that the reason that he says it's
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: a godsend is that it really pushed He says, it
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: pushed the pause button for them. They got to spend
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of intimate time together and it was great.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just really nice for them to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: be able to have this time together instead of being
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: these busy bees all the time, right, I mean, it
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: is it's a change of rhythm, it's a change of
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: pace for them. They both get each other's lifestyles, which
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: is important, and I think, uh, they support each other's lifestyles.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: There into you know, two different careers, but both within entertainment.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Both have a lot of demands on them and it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: great to see. I mean, honestly, as somebody who has
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of respect for both of them. Lauren Zima
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: was my very first interview when I became the Bachelor,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and Chris is obviously somebody that just means a ton
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: to me as a human and he's been great to
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: me on and off camera. Uh, it's just good to
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: see them happy and smiling and enjoying each other's company. UM,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I never saw this coming, like when
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: they announced that, I never like saw this becoming a couple,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: But now that it has, it makes a lot of sense.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And Uh, if you can make it through quarantine, you
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: can make it through a lot of things. And I'm
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: pumped that this is the headline where Chris says it's
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: a godsen to be with Lauren because he spent a
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: few years of his life single. And you know what
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that's like. You get used to it, you get used
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to kind of just doing your own thing when you
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: want to do it. But it's obviously working for the
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: both of them. I feel for them, being that they
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: are going to be really apart for the next two months,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: probably like they have never been apart. I think that
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: when he was in Palm Springs he saw her a
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: couple of times. Um, when he brought his son to
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: college in Texas. Well, somebody who is another fan favorite,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and I would say another leader of the franchise. Uh.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Emily Maynard gives birth to baby number five, her fourth
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: child with husband Tyler Johnson. This according to an US article,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: This was crazy. So Emily posted on Instagram a couple
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: of days go saying like here comes number five. And
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I think some of us were like, Okay, so she's
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: announcing that she's pregnant. Well, little did we know she
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: was pretty much in labor with number five at that point. Yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and she delivered the day after that post, or at
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: least she announced the birth of their daughter, um right
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: after the post. And man, five kids. She's thirty four,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: thirty four, so she's a young mom. Got her hands full.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: This is her fourth child with her husband Tyler. Like
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Ben said, and um, she posted some one Instagram the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: way the she had a c section and she posted
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: some of her reactions. And Emily rocks. We wish we
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: could have her on the podcast sometimes she's she's hard
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: one to get ahold of. I'll tell you that. Yeah,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: she said, Well she's a busy understandably, so a busy mom. Well,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: more baby news. We've talked to Leslie Murphy quite recently
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: about her announcement that that you know, her and Alex,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: her fiance, have moved to Arkansas. That also she was pregnant,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and now she's revealed the sex of the baby and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the future child of Alex and Leslie will be a girl,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: a girl, so the two of them. She surprised him
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: in a little gender reveal. He came home one day
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and she had a whole bunch of balloons, a pink
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: confetti and uh, yeah, she's surprised him right there at
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the door. A lot of surprises for Alex, a lot
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: of surprises. We were you guys, remember he was. He
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: threw up after he found out that he was having
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: a child. So that was a happy throw of two.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I think, a very joyful a very joyful release of
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the system to say, Okay, well things are gonna be
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: changing a bit. Uh, they will have a baby girl.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Congratulations to them and uh and also congratulations to Courtney Robertson.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: You remember her. Uh she uh again was a very
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: popular name in the bachelor nation. Uh she uh now
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: is is married to her fiancee and uh and they
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: are celebrating as we speak. Yep, they got married. At
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: this past weekend. They just had their baby boy. I
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: think it's been about four months ago. So they had
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a Corrantine. You know, they had a COVID wedding. It
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: was a I'm sure a very intimate h ordeal. It's uh,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: it's something exciting. There's a lot of great news and
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Batchel Nation. Obviously some sad ones as well. Um, but
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: we are moving on from hot topics. We're gonna take
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: a break first. When we come back, we're gonna have
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Grocery Store Joe on the podcast talking about some things
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: he's been up to recently and what dating is like
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: outside of television. We'll be back with the Almost Famous
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: podcast as promised. We won't keep you waiting any longer.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: A fan favorite has been around a bit. We've seen
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: him on Dancing with the Stars, We've seen him on Paradise.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: We've also seen him for just a brief period of
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: time on the Bachelor, and uh, he's so much more
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: than all those things we know him as grocery Store Joe. Joe,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Welcome to almost name his podcast. Thank you, thank you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: for having me. I'm excited to be here. Oh, we
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: are so excited to have you here. Joe, So, I'm
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: sure you're aware actually in JP split this week? Are
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: They announced their split this week and they cite differences
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: that they just could not get over. Um, you and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Kendall split because you just could not You could not
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: live in l A. And she she could not live
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: in Chicago. Do you do you feel this on a
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: certain level. I came right out of it. I'm sorry,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: h R. That's fair. That's fair. Um, I mean listen,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I mean Kendall and I did it for a year
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and a half. We weren't married, we didn't have kids, um,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: and you know, we we broke up. I think there
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: was other things just besides location. Ashley and JP they
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: have two children. They were married for what but eight years?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Your relationships, so, I mean I could relate in the
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: breakup sense of it, but um, there's clearly deeper than ours. Yeah,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: there's obviously. I mean, anytime there's a breakup, there's a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: thousand reasons why, and some of them you don't even know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: like it's just like a feeling or you're just not
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: seeing out an eye. Now, Joe, we we fired out
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: of the gate with this because that's obviously a popular topic. Um,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: it's one that's been all over you know, the I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: guess the gossip headlines here in the last couple of weeks.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: You're starting a project right now to cover these exact topics. Right.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: It's called Clickbait. Uh, it's a new podcast. Tell everybody
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: about what this is and what they can look forward to.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: So Clickbait I have two co hosts from Bachelor Nation,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Hannah and Sluss and Tatia Adams, and we are a
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: pop culture podcast that clicks through all the headlines so
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you don't have to. That's our little clickbait saying. But
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: we'd like to get deeper. We want to have real
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: conversations with each other, see how we could relate to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: what is going on in pop culture. I think pop
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: culture has shaped all of us in a certain way.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And a question we'd like to ask that I kind
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: of want to throw it back to you guys, what
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: is a pop culture moment that has shaped your life?
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I know mine, go for it. A few years ago,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: it was announced that Kid Rock was going to run
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: for president and I had a freak out moment, just
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: completely lost my mind. I was like, he has a
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: chance of winning, Like people could actually vote Kid Rock
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: in the office and that would be really, really scary.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: So I think it was the first time in my
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: life that like pop culture also felt like it directly
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: affected my life, like it could actually have a uh
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: some type of recourse on my day to day life.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: And it made me realize that pop culture actually at
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: some level is pretty important because it shapes culture, shapes
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: are understanding and also can at times cross over to
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: affect our daily lives. And that's my big moment that
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget because I could not understand how this
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: was happening. Okay, that's a good one. Um. Mine is
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: definitely the Jonas brothers being open about being virgins um
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: when they were, you know, in their upper teens and
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: early twenties and you know they're they're wearing of their
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: purity rings made me feel a lot more included a
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: lot less weird when it came to waiting for sex myself.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Can I can I add one more? Yeah? One, that's
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: that's fairly recent because I just have a lot of
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: respect and I'll be honest, I wasn't a huge fan
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: of this um for a while, and I'm sorry. I
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: felt fairly convicted this week personally about pop culture and
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I don't feel that way often. And this is how
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and why Justin Bieber song Lonely on SNL. As I
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: listened to the words and I hear his cry, and
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I've seen his life and I've seen kind of how
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: he's trying to navigate child stardom to becoming an adult
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and becoming a husband, his song Lonely for Me really
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: struck with me because it made me realize that, yes,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I always say and preach it on here,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: like people on this show are real people too, and
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I and Justin Bieber and like those A list celebrities
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: kind of always like I just feel even above that,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: And that song Lonely this week has sat in my
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: heart all week because it just made me realize that
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: this kid was a star and he felt lonely, and
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: as a thirty one year old man, I feel lonely
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: too sometimes based on the criticism, judgments and being pushed
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: aside and like, so that's one moment for me to
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: again crossed over to my life. And I'm I don't
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: know if I'll ever forget that performance on SNL this week,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: because it just like it brought me to tears. Yeah,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: do you guys let the criticism get to you. For me,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: it's just like a quick vent session, Like it could
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: just be like five or ten minutes. If I'm reading
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: message boards and I've vented out and then I'm done
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: with it. I really don't let it sink in. Um. Yeah,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I I actually I am with you. Actually, that's kind
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: of if I if I start reading, it'll be like
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: a five ten minute thing and then I just I
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: go on with my life. Yeah, it hits me hard.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not made for it. I'm not I get it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I get it. And and you see the way it
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: affects people and people that people from the franchise that
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: we know how affective they are from it. So I
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, knowing that you had this podcast,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: what is a pop culture event that's happened since you've
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: been doing it that you've just been like this is
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: wacky or one that you just felt uncomfortable talking about.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: You know something I just read and I was reading
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I think it was on TMZ posted it, but there
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: was They called him and social media influencer. I think
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: he's from I think you Poland and he just passed
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: away of coronavirus. But the way they headed it was
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: social media influencer jokes about coronavirus now passes away from it.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Like it's like, how insensitive is that headline? Like this
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: guy joked about it. Ah, now you're dead. It's like,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I found that that kind
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: of disturbed me a little bit. Yeah, very click baity.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah that is very quick baity. That's true, it is,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: but it isn't sensitive, Joe. I. We've done this podcast
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: for a bit. Uh, Ashley and I are always messing
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: up and learning and messing up and learning, and it's
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: just like part of the rhythm and the cycle. It's
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: made me, I think a better, better person for it.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: But you're diving into like some really controversial topics. You're
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: discussing topics that are are definitely I'm not going to
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: think of a better word here, uh, but like it's
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: their triggers for a lot of people. How what is
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: your kind of strategy? What is your method behind approaching
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: these topics talking about them without like really messing up
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the masses. Yeah that's um yeah, because a lot of
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the topics are definitely heavier topics. I I kind of
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm thirty four years old, I trust who
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I am and I trust my opinion. So I feel
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: like I'm always coming from a good place or a
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: place where I'm at least trying to learn. So I
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: trust at how I answer, Like I trust myself to
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: answer pretty much anything because I trust who I am. Yeah,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be an interesting ride for you and
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: your co host. What's the chemistry gonna be like there?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I mean you Ashley and I, Uh, it's taken a while.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: We've always had chemistry and we've always gotten along really well,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: but like three years and we're better now than we
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: were three years ago because our chemistry build. How what's
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: your plan for building this chemistry with Hannayan and Tasha. Yeah,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: something that I love working with them is every podcast
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: that we do, you could feel it, like you could
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: feel the chemistry growing and we're we're picking up on
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: our you know, the different sense of humorous and just
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: who we are as people. So it's exciting to actually
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: grow with the team. Um, but it's I mean, doing
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: it over zoom definitely makes it more difficult. Like I
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: feel like it would be even that much better quicker
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: if we were together in a room. But I mean
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: these are the times we're living here right now. So um,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I'm just excited to keep growing with them and learning
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: more about that because we're totally get the zoom issue.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: How do you deal with somebody who is a click
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: baity hot topic herself Tasha and not address the elephant
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: in the room. Uh see, Ashley, I don't really know
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about there, because right now you know
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I I don't know. I don't know what's going on
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: with Tasha. She right now is my friend and my
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: co host, and she's just a great person. I don't know.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Let's let's let's ask this question. Then. Is she glowing
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: that she seemed more happy than usual? Is their age
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: like a bachelor at just like, for example, like a
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: bachelor at type shine to Tasia right now that we
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: haven't seen before. Tasha is always glowing and she's always smiling.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if they choose if if she
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: becomes I don't know what she's gonna becoming. She becomes
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: the bachelorette, who knows, but I think she'd be great
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: at it. Speaking of bachelorettes, have you spoken to Caitlin
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: at all about her dancing with the Star's Journey since
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: you were such a success on that show. And I
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: say that partial sarcasm, because you got pretty far despite
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: you even being self admittedly not the greatest dancer. No,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: it was definitely not the greatest dancer. But it's all
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: about the scoreboard, and I made it pretty damn I've
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I have not spoken with Caitlin. I spoke with Jason
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: a few times. I'm friends with Jason. I don't really
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: know Caitlin on that level, but it seems like she's
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: doing great. Like she's got she gets good scores every week,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: she looks good, she's a good dancer. She is and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: and Joe, I I was enjoyed watching you. Um you're like,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know you're older than me, but
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you kind of felt like the little brother I was
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: always cheering for each week, like, hey, don't don't mess up,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: try your best, keep smiling. You're gonna be fine. Yeah, Joe,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: let's move into dating now. And I know this is
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: a topic that you've opened up to to some people
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: about recently. What is dating like outside of this bachelor world? Okay,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: let's talk about that. Since COVID nineteen it definitely makes
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: it more difficult but being a guy coming off of
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: a show that's watched by mainly women, dating isn't the
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: hardest thing, you know. I mean it's not. It's definitely not.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: It's definitely not the hardest thing. I am someone who
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: likes it to happen organically, So I like to be
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: at a restaurant or a bar around the street and
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: have more of a situation where I approach the woman.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Because of the climate we're living in, that that makes
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: it more difficult. So yeah, I mean it's just not
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: that hard. Okay, Okay, So this is fair to say
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: that you've gone on a date since Kendall. Yeah, I
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: mean I've been on a few dates, I um and
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: very you know, very cool girls. I just I haven't
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not dating anyone right now, but I like to.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not looking to be a single forever. Now.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: We know that you were a super shy guy going
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: into the show, and like we've joked about this on
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the podcast, how like you are a hard interview at first,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: and now you've really come into your own How does
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Joe grocery store Joe grocery Store, Romabla, How does he
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: approach a girl out of bar? Like, is it like
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: an all shucks type of thing, well shock? Or is
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: it smooth moves? Um? Well, yeah, you know what. I
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: was definitely. I know I was a hard interviewee at
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the beginning because I was I'm not really a shy person,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: but I was very nervous because I remember going on
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: almost famous podcasts and sitting there like freaking out inside
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: and feeling that anxiety that's gone away after all that
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I've done. But how I approach a woman at a bar.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I usually hit him with like a hello, I'm a
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: high or hello and I buy you a drink? Hi?
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Did you see me on Dancing with the Stars? Oh no,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Well here's a YouTube clip that I hit him with.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I hit him with. Do you watch The Bachelor? You
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: might Hey, if I look familiar, you might know me
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: from The Bachelor. When guys are cute and charming, all
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: they have to do is say hi, these poor guys
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: who aren't so fortunate. What would you do Ben, before
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: you were engaged? What would you do because you were
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: single for a period? Yeah, you have a corny pickup line?
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Or you just say hello? Oh man? I was I
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: was so much better on text? Um, I would I
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: play that would you rather game? Um, would you rather
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: go on a date with me? Or see a Lozard giraffe?
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: And they'd be like, what's a Lozard? Draft be like,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, answer my question, and then they'd be like, well,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know, go on a date with you? Okay? Perfect?
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: And that's usually how that's usually I played it. I
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: was always like, I don't have great like game, but
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: what I can do is be weird enough for people
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: to be curious enough to go I gotta figure this
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: guy out, or you guys are just cute enough that
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you can get away with it. I don't know, I
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's been yeah, I mean that's a good topic.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I've been out of it now for a couple of years.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I'm happy to be out of it. I don't really remember.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I actually, right before this podcast, I called my fiance
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: and I said, hey, we have a gone on a
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: date in a while due to quarantine. Uh, you're gonna
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: come visit me here in just a few weeks. Can
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I take you on a date when you come out?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: And she hung up and texting me and says, I
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: don't know why, but I just got like nervous about
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: our date and I was like, that's amazing. So like
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I'm still you know, excited to date Jess and like
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I still get like the butterflies about it. Um, but
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: what is it like being in the dating world? Like
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: what are you looking for? How do you are you
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: just kind of leaving it up in the air or
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: you looking for like a commitment now? Like where are
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: you at? Like I can help you here if you like.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: And I'm just holding out that I'm hoping, you know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: in about three years they still want me to be,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: you know, the best? Um, what am I? You don't?
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I'm just looking for someone
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: that I could just have a comfortable conversation with, you
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: know when that when that clicks, like you kind of
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: know when the clicks and you could just get along
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: with someone. Uh, personality is really really big, and I
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: want to be attracted to him as well. That's important.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: But I don't know, Like I don't really I'm not
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: like a big slider into d M. Did you slide
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: into d M? Yeah, I slid into Jesse's d M.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: And I mean I think in my whole single time,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: there wasn't more than two or three people that I
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: ever messaged, and Jess was like the one that I
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: messaged and I was like, so excited to see a
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: shooter respond back, and she did and then we never
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: stopped talking after that, Like so yes, I did. Uh.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: And it was an advice given to me by Dean
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: and Nick uh And they said, hey, like why aren't
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: you dating more? And I was like, I just don't
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: know where to meet people? And they said you gotta
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: go into the d M s like that's the way
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: you do this, and I was like, well that, I've
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: never even thought about that, and then I did, and
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I mean it worked, I got engaged, So I guess
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: it happened. Yeah, but I would say I would say
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: looking for that then that that because you guys started
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: talking and never stop, so it's happening. That interesting conversation
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: with someone that keeps you drawn to them and finding like,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I like girls that are a little weird
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: because I'm kind of weird. I have a great quirky
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: friend for you who what's her name? As what's her name?
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Set him up? I'll send you a picture when we
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: get off the phone, you'd let me know. Um, I
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: do want to talk to you about like a couple
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: of hard hitting questions and if you get a little
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: too uncomfortable, it's okay to say no, But I gotta
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: ask them for the sake of Bachelor Nation. Okay, it
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: seemed as if you and Kendall hung out during the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: depths of quarantine during the spring, Like maybe she flew
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: out to you in Chicago, true or false? False? Just
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: so you flew out to her. There could have been
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: a area it at the beginning of quarantine where I
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: might have been in l A for a few days
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: and we could have spoke. But um, we are we're
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: friends friendly. Uh it's hard to be really close with
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: somebody that you were in love with and you guys
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: were in love with each other and YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: It's hard to keep like a really close friendship. But
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: we are friendly. Okay. So it didn't really come of anything.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was a closure moment. I'll just leave it
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: at that. You guys, is it true, like do you
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: feel now with time in between, that distance was the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: breaking up factor or do you think that there was more. Um,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about bed and timing, I mean, going becoming single,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: going into quarantine. You know, it's hard because location like it.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: It was definitely a big factor, and a big thing
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: for me was she's from l A. So she has
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: all our friends and all our family, and they're great people.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: But when it came to holiday season or just weekends
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: in general, hanging out with all her friends and her
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: family made me become a little resentful because I missed mine. Yeah. Uh,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: it's hard to look at a future where oh we'll
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: just split time half and half, especially after the show,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: because you know, once I got casting on Dancing with
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the Stars, I quit my job, so my career is
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: kind of all up in there as well. Um, I
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: would say location, if if we could have broke up,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't have broke up if it wasn't for location,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: got it. And you guys got a dog right before
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: you split up. I guess it wasn't enough time to
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: get really attached to the little thing. I mean, I
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the timing, I just might be
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: the worst. I was gonna say, man, you're really if
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I like, if we were if we weren't on a
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: podcast and we were sitting down for beers and be like, dude,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: you really suck at this breaking up thing. Terrible timing.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: It's it was pretty bad. I mean, I love the
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: dog Pistachio. You named him. I did name him my name.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna get a dog and name a Walnut.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it was it was. It was
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: big timing. We're both pretty stubborn people, and you know
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: that that's that's what it was. And Kendall is clearly
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: very happy in Los Angeles and I don't know if
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: she would have been happy in Chicago. Where's Pistachio at
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: now with Kendall. Yeah, Kendall Statio. I mean all you know,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: he bit me all the time. I've got one final
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: question for you. Uh, you are doing something really cool
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: on your Instagram where you're going to all these awesome
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: food places hot you know, hot spots in in Chicago,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: and you make me want to go to Chicago just
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: to eat you. And I actually we were on a
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: double date ones with Kendall and Jared, and I was like, well,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: you guys can like talk about the universe and Joe
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: and I can go and talk, like we can go
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: eat in an entire city together. So if you guys,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: so you and I understand each other in the foodie realm,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: and you need somebody who appreciates food, right, So do
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: you take girls that you're going on these first or
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: second dates with to these hot spots, because like you're
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: really in the know. So I added the dating element
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: to my food videos because I realized that majority of
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: people that follow me are interested in dating and not food.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: So I figured that would be a good way to
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: incorporate both, incorporate both worlds um and both the girls
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: that I do bring on our friends and everything. They like,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: you know, to eat good food as well. So we
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: just go out there and I like to showcase the
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: restaurant and show my favorite things to eat in the city.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I was actually in Denver and at your restaurant then.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: It was very good. What and I didn't know this?
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah you I don't think. I don't think you were
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: in town or maybe you were, I don't, I don't know.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: It was it was like a month back, maybe a
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: month and a half. We had the jerk chicken. Uh yeah,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: you're down at Mr OsO was that. It was a
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: beautiful little restaurant. It was great. Oh man, I wish
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I would have know you there. Next time. Please let
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: me know dinner on me? Okay, thanks? For coming in man,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, that's awesome. Dinner on me at both spots,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Mr Nashcar when you come to dinn for next So
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: are we gonna see like from this show? Then? I
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: think it'd be awesome if all of a sudden, you're
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: go on a date with somebody on this show, and
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: then we see a second day in a third day,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: and everybody is watching your love story play out with
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: my friend, I'm going to set him up with now, Yeah,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: a blind day. I think that's great. I mean, Astley,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: why not, let's set him up. It's a blind days.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: He has to have a date to these things anyways,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: he's got to be running out of options, so let's
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: let's set him up and hook him up with a
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: nice date. Sounds good and pretty much just made myself
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: the bachelor on my own instagrams. We've always wanted to
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: do this on this show is create like our own
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: little mini bachelor, almost famous bachelor. So it's a lot
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: more work, imagine though, Yeah, so much work. Uh, Joe,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: you're the man, Thanks again for coming on. Best of
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: luck with this brand new project not only on your Instagram,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: which is hilarious and really fun to watch I think
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: it's awesome that you're highlighting local restaurants around the country,
• 55:02
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• 55:04
  Speaker 1: know we need it and and your support means a ton,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: but also in your endeavors on Clickbait, which is again
• 55:11
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• 55:15
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• 55:18
  Speaker 1: culture and everything going on in your world. Joe Grocery Store,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Joe the Man, Joe, thanks for coming on the Almost
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Miss podcast. Thanks for having me. Well. Uh, Bachelor Nation
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: all time favorite Michelle Money is on the line right now.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: She's gonna help us break down this last episode of
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Claire season. But Michelle, before we get started, I just
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: want to say congratulations to you and uh your boyfriend
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Mike Weir finished this week cotulations. Hey, Uh for anybody
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: out there listening doesn't know, Uh, Michelle and Mike have
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: been dating for a while, and Mike finished second this week,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: uh in his tournament, only losing to Phil Nicholson, which
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I would say is a pretty respectable uh finish. But yeah, Mike,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: we had a great round. UH was leading after three days.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Just an impressive performance. So I gotta give a shout
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: out to him now on the Bachelor Talk. I love it.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: That was really nice. Thank you, No problem. We want
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: to go in chronological order here as far as the
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: episode goes, So let's start with the words of Affirmation
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: group date. So the it was actually a very cute
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: idea for our date. I loved that the rightis the
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: touching the awards of affirmation with her in the tower.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I can't believe they actually haven't done a date like
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: that before. But the drama started during the night portion
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: when the uh like Claire was like, all right, so
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: it's time, you know, in mental issues, like it's time
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: for one of you to steal me away, and then
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: nobody got up in asked her now to me, I liked.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I think the guys just they were on their first
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: group date. They didn't know too that it was up
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: to right them to start taking her away. I think
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: they thought, like, oh, she's the lead, Like, she's the
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: woman in power here, she can take us away. I
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: thought it was a very innocent mistake on the guy's part,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: but she seemed to not think. So, what's your take
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: on that? I I think that like and I don't
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: know if this was just editing, but like it did
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: seem like uncomfortably awkward, like there was this like very
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: strange like where you do I think? And I think
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: this is the deal with Claire's like she wants someone
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: who's going to step up. That's just her personality. So
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's like you could have easily looked at
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: that and just said, like, oh, innocent mistake. But I
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: actually think it's cool that she's like, this is how
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling, this is what's going on, and I want
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: someone who's gonna jump at any opportunity to be with me.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: So do I think that it was an intentional thing
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: like no one wanted to spend time with her? No,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I don't, But I did think it was an opportunity
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: that was missed. And I think that she is just
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: in a place in her life where she's like, uh, yeah,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: we're not doing this, like yeah, you know what. I
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: don't think it was malicious on the men's on the
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: men's part at all, Like you're like, you're right when
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: you said that. It wasn't as if they didn't want
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: to spend time with her, but it's certainly set this
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: the precedent now, so that going forward, they'll know what
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: she is trying she's trying to find. Yeah, she said,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like she set a tone from the beginning,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: and um, yeah, and I think it was the most
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: opportunity to Now I think this all gets fixed, though
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much of a problem it was
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: for any of them. If these guys respond better, Like
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I think that first guy was like, oh, sorry, we
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: were just having so much fun with each other. We
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: really didn't even think about how like that didn't help anything.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: It's just confused everything more and probably angered her more personal. God,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: when Joseph said you you must be crazy to think
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: that we don't want to spend time with you, was like,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: oh your word choice, You're like, no, wrong choice of
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: the b Yeah. And then he was speaking on behalf
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: of the other guys, which um was who was that?
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Who like that? Riley was the one who did not. Yeah,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: he was not into that. And then Riley came and
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: made that moment. I mean, I know that Dale really
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: made the moment his when he he said the all
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: the perfect words, unbelievable. Dale just showing up like this
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: night in shining Armor. You're just like, where did you
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: had some skepticism about Dale Man did I did I
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: really like him in that moment? I feel like he was.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: He really was just like and and the way that
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: he explained it, it was almost like, I'm not going
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: to hold back anymore. Okay, here I am. I'm going
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: to show up for you, and we all just need
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: to show up, you know, more authentically to who we are,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: because you can tell that. And you guys know, when
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: you're in those situations you want to be respectful of
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: the other, like you know, contestants and the other people,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: and you don't there's that line where you're like, I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: don't want to, don't be too you know, forcefull, So yeah,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: to show me. And it's almost like they were all
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: kind of maybe feeling that and and being mind a
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: little maybe too mindful of each other and not as
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: much they didn't want to get the target on their back.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: And then he kind of in that moment was like, Oh,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: I don't even care if I have a target on
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: my back as long as it means that, like I'm
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: getting your attention and we're vibing. So what a shining
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: moment for him. Another shining moment for Day. And then
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Riley also really stood up. I love the way that
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: he treated her, that whole little play on the high
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: school dates, slow dancing. He had game. I liked it.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: He had game, Like it was, yeah, there's I have
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: to say, there's amazing men on this season. Like this
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: episode was really a great episode to get to know
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: these guys better. And at the end of the episode,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, these are really really solid, good
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: dudes for the most part. Brandon, which will get to
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: in a minute, Okay, okay, so let's go to the
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: one on one now. The one on one with Jason
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: was they got deep that was way deeper than you
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: get on a normal day, and I loved how Jason
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: embraced it all. It was a great day and it
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: made me feel watching it like, oh man, if this
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: is a good guy, I hope that everybody like she
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: really did think through any possible decision that she leaves early. Well.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because when you're in those moments, like I
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: remember having experiences like that where I wanted to open
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: up and be vulnerable, but you're like, this is like
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: national television, so it's not like you're just having this
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: intimate conversation with this one person. It's like millions of people,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: and the fact that he as reluctant as he was initially,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: like the fact that he just kind of surrendered to
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: the moment and declare and just like allowed himself to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: go there just speaks volumes about what kind of guy
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: he is, because that is so scary to do, just
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: aloneless and one let alone, knowing that it's going to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: be televised. Um. I have to say, though, I think
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: that like the one thing I'm loving seeing with this
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: season with an older and more mature bachelorette is you know,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: you're you're seeing the evolution of a very strong woman
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: who's been down a really dark path where a lot
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: of times it's almost like and I think that's what
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: we're seeing is like when you're in your twenties and
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: they're casting these younger um men and women in their twenties,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Like it's almost like it's not until you get to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: your thirties that you're able to kind of reflect and
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: look back and like find the those powerful moments within
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: you where you are showing up for yourself more. And
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I think that like what Claire is bringing is that
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: maturity and that like um emotional maturity, And I think
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: it's refreshing. Like I I would much rather watch a
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: show where we're talking about like the love languages and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: like you know, like dealing with kind of like traumas
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: from our past and like how we're showing up differently
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: in the world. And I just I think that what
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Claire is bringing is so beautiful and authentic and needed,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: especially like now with everything going on in the world. Yeah,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: it felt like it felt like just such an intimate date,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: even it being nighttime and them doing nothing other than
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: sitting around a fire. It felt like we were watching
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: a regular date out in real life where they were
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: getting to know each other and there was just no
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: small talk. Because I get so frustrated sometimes watching dates
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: where it's just like, Okay, I'm getting to know nothing
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: about this human on this like horseback riding eight or
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: like this a t V day, so totally, so I
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: felt like it's it's usually a waste of my time,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: and I'm assuming it's the waste of the leads time
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: until they actually sit down, so they kind of just
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: skip the small talk, and I like that. Then I
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: loved it. It's refreshing. I mean what my takeaway was,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: like I watched it I was like, well, this is
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: a good exercise for me to do personally, like now,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: like totally now. I don't know if it's a complete
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: healing practice like just writing them down and throwing them away.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: But what it does do is it, like you said,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: like it shows us that vulnerability is something important to Claire.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: It also shows me, hey, like this is a good
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: practice to get those things that are like that are
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: kind of haunting me or I feel like I can't
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: share out there. I watched it, you know, so many
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: times we go, oh, this is like just fantasy land.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: And I think one cool part about having this in
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: a bubble is it's making these dates less luxurious and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: making them more relatable. And I'm really enjoying that. Yeah,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: I agree on I think it. That was totally well said,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: and I think that I think that there does need
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: to be a lot more healing around the masculine. I
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: feel like there's so many men who are so um
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: unable to express their emotions and it's it's like making
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: it harder for the feminine to kind of you know,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: be more vulnerable. And it's a cycle, right, But I
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: think that what I think that's so cool about Claire
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: as the bachelorette is, we're seeing a more mature like
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: approach to dating that I think is really needed right
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: now in the world. I mean, she embraces herself so
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: much and I love seeing it, Like she doesn't care
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: what she looks like. No, and by the way she looks,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: and she physically stunning, I mean physically. I know that's
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: not what you were saying, but like physically, and my
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: girlfriend is looking hot, so hot, so hot. I guess.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: On that note, let's go to Brandon, which on the
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: On the next group date, he says, I am really
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I signed up. I was so excited when I found
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: out it was you, Like I wanted to be here
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: for you. And then she said, well, what is it
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: about me that resonated with you? And then he really
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: couldn't say anything other than that he was physically attracted
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: to her, which of course a girl wants to hear,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: but not in this circumstance you want you want to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: go well, of course you're beautiful, but there's this and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: that and that, and he had nothing behind you're beautiful.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that he couldn't just pick something out
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: of his brain that would apply to anyone that you
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: can really you can pin you can pinpoint a couple
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: of qualities about somebody within twenty minutes of knowing them,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: and he could. He froze. Yes, Ben Again, it feels
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: like it's just this emotional immaturity, right, it's like this
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: inability to go deeper than the surface level that you know.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: I think for some people that works, and I think
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: for Clara just doesn't. It's just not happening for her.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: We're not She's like, we're just not doing this. So
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: you're so by Well last week, it's interesting, Ashley, you
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: mentioned on the podcast that he was aesthetically one of
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: your favorites. He was, Yeah, but he turned it didn't
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: matter anymore. Yeah, isn't that funny? He froze. I mean
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: what happened though, I have a little bit of grace
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: from him and hear me out because I know that
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: he did not mean this to be anything uh intentionally bad.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: He didn't mean to offend her like no, I know
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: there are a few days in like, you're so nervous,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: and I know I don't want to just like excuses.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: You're so nervous, and you have this absolutely stunning, stunning
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: person sitting across from you that you're like, I don't
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: know what else to say right now other the fact
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: that you're beautiful. You're beautiful, like I know you were
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: a lot more than that, but like I just I'm
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: I think you're gorgeous. I don't know how to talk
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: to you right now. Just give me a few days
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: to help me realize. Even if he showed that humility,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: he would have been better off to be like okay,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: like I know that, Like I am just so nervous
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: in this moment that I'm blanking. If he even said
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: that it would been better, which again I think comes
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: back to like, yeah, like emotional, like not quite able
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: to put words to your feelings, right, And I think
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: that it's like, yes, I'm sure, poor guy, he's probably
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: the greatest, nicest guy and we never got to see
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: that part of him. But um, you know it's like, yeah,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: I think that I think it was a good move
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: for Claire to just be proactive and just say this,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: this just isn't gonna work, Like I'm gonna say, I'm
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: gonna walk out. You know, I respected that move. Why
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: do you think so it's for both of you? Though? Um,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: why do you think this was like that language was
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: something for Claire that she was just right away like
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: this is a sign, this is a red flag. I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: have to send you home now. Like why, out of
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: everything that like the Joseph's of the world had been
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: doing and saying and and everything that happened on night
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: one and kind of the controversy that happened at the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: group date, why do you think that sit down with
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: him was such a wait, you're gone, Like this is
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: just it was just a demonstration of the emotional intelligence
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: intelligence that he has and that it's needs a lot
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: more maturing to catch up to her well. And I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: think she clarified that too. I think that she was like, listen,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I I'm in a place in my life where I
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: want more substance. If that's the only thing that you can.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think she I think that she expressed herself,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: she explained where she was coming from, and yeah, I
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: would never want to speak for her, but I do
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: think that she she did clarify that to a small degree.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's a lot more to it. Huh.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: It's interesting. It was a it was a a big
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: moment in this show because I came off of I
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: watched this episode so Michelle. Last week on the podcast,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: we we had a couple of people on talking about
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: all right, who is your favorites, and all the girls
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: are like, oh, that Brandon. He's so cute, so good looking.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this week, I'm gonna watch Brandon, like,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna focus on this guy because I feel like
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: he's a front runner, right if everybody's loving on him.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: And so this was a big moment for me. When
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, he gets to
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: sit down. This is gonna be his shining moment. The
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: music is gonna start playing the background, it's gonna be beautiful,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna and then all of suddens like, all right,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: he's going home, And I'm like, well, oh that was it.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I remember remember this. Before that scene, he said that
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: even night one, he got off to an awkward start
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: and he wasn't proud of his solo time with her, Right, guy,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: just guys just freezing under the lights. Maybe we'll see
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: him come back to paradise though, since physically he might
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: be so desired. Yeah, yes, you're right, all right. So
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: then I think the final thing we have to talk
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: about is the strip date it was? So it was
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: then I'm dying to know. This is what Ben has
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: most to say about, So we'll let him take that over. Yeah, so,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: first off, shocking, I think we can all be cleared.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: There's a double standard right now. It's very very obvious
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: double standard that was presented, and that I don't know
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: if the show is trying to send a message saying, hey,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: there is an obvious double standard or not. But I
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: this and like, let's for a second reverse course and say, Okay,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: if this was a Bachelor season, no way this happens,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: No way they get away with it, no way it's appropriate,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: no way that this is just becomes a weekly topic.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: This literally, this is the type of thing that I
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: don't think the show. I think the show is super smart,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: but like they knew this wouldn't shut down the show.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: But like it's pushing the envelope here a little bit, right, Um,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: next is and and maybe because like outside of like, okay,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: the idea of this is kind of funny, Like I
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: don't know the last like you can't even relate to
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: this in the real world because like my buddies and
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: I don't get together together and get naked and play
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: do so so you can't even say like, oh, this
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: is like a fun like fun game that you can
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: play with your friends. Here's my point to all of this.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: I personally and like I don't think like I have
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: the worst body in the world. I work out hard
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: to keep like in shape. Um, I do my best
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: to stay fit. I am Eastern European, like I am
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: as pale as pale can be from the waist down
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: like there, and I have hair in places that I
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: just said it on Chris's caption like that are not ideal. Um.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking at this going if you asked me
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: to get naked with a bunch of ripped, buff, testosterone
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: driven men and like play like dodgeball, there is nothing
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: impressive about what's happening for me, and I would feel it.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Oh no, there's no shot. There's no shot. I could
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: have done it. You wouldn't have done it. I think
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: I would have done it with the intention of winning,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: and then once it comes down to like all right,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: time to get naked, I would have said, hey, like no,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: like this is this is all funny games until like
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: my buddies and I are naked on national television, like, okay,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: so let me ask you this, do you do you?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, because they were wearing something. They were wearing
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: something and then they censored that out right. This is
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: my like a jock strap, where I thought that they
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: were wearing like a cup stuck to them. The way
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: the actors do, it looks like maybe some of them
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: just vited to go naked, and it looks like they
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: have the sensor thing over it to make it look
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: like they were naked, but they were clearly wearing something.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's better, I guess, but but I
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: thought at the very end, one of the guys goes, okay,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: if you wanted to see it all, I'm gonna show
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: you all think he just went for very confident man,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I'm the guy in the corner like
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: I don't want to and he's like, no, scut Like
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: he obviously is very confident in what he has and
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: what he wants to show. I watched this this Maybe
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: I'm crazy and maybe you guys can remind me, but
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: this felt like it was pushing the envelope more than
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: any other day I can remember on the Bachelor, and
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: they pushed the envelope. Every season there's always that controversial
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: thing that happens that goes, oh, next you know, next
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: year it's not going to be as much or whatever.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: But like this felt, this felt like a lot okay.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking that it wasn't there. The excuse here
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't as my as we could make it
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: is that it seemed playful. It didn't seem sexual, and
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: it seemed like if there wasn't peer pressure involved. And
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: this maybe just my viewing of it, it seems like
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: if one of the guys was not okay, he could
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: humorously be like, sorry, guys, gonna skip this one out
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: and walked off. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you, Ashley.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: I think that, like I think, when you go on
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: this show, there has to be and correct me if
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong then, But like from your perspective, like there
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: there's always starts coming off for the guys, there's always
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: some sort of like stuck. And I know that it's
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: a different story when you're like censoring body parts and stuff.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: But it did seem like it was done in in
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: fun and no one felt pressured except I guess if
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Yosef would have been there, he wouldn't have done it.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: And that's another thing too. It's when you have a
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: child and it changes things, you know. Like I remember
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: when I was on Bachelor Pad and it was this
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: kissing contest and I was like, ah, I don't know
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: if I want my daughter to see me kiss being like,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: you know, fourteen guys in one day. So and but yeah,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: I think I think it'll be interesting to see how
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: people respond to it and what people are feeling and
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: thinking about it, and um, how do you think Claire
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: handled it? What do you what do you think of Claire?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Kind of think Claire instigated it. I also don't think
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: she like really gave praise to the guys who did it.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: I think she was like, these are guys being guys.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: And that's where the Yoseph thing is the issue where
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: he says Claire was being tasteless for being okay with that,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: because I don't think Claire had anything to do with this.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: This was well what do you think? Well, I don't know, Ben,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: you tell us, like you've been in her position, Like,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: do you think she had the option to say like no,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable with them getting naked or she
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: definitely did. Um, However, I get the playful side, so
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: like I get like, hey, you know it's is just
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: dodgeball or how can we make dodgeball more funny or
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: fun now. I don't know if at the time she
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: realized that, like the guys would own up to and
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, screw it, I'll take it down to
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: my whatever you want. Um, I don't So here's something
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. And I don't know how, if how
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: it will come off like I didn't watch this and
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable or like as because but I did feel
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: like it wasn't it wouldn't have been right if these
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: guys if there was any peer pressure in it, and
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: there was none, and they all agreed to it, like
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: they all consented to say like you didn't see one
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: guy go I don't really want to do this, Like
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: I think if if that would have happened, she would
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: have said, Okay, that's fair, like that's and I know
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Chris would have stepped in and said that's fine, like
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: that's good. And so it was, and it was kind
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: of just like an agreement amongst them all to say,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: let's see what happens and it but it's definitely gonna
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: be talked about and it's definitely going to be controversial,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: and you're right, it is a double standard around that,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: and UM, yeah, it'll be interesting to hear kind of
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: some of the feedback people give. I would say, though,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: like this would not have been a dat I participated in,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: not because necessarily, like I even have a problem with
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: the whole like get naked and run around thing like
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know like personally, like if that's
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: wrong or right, I would have just been so uncomfortable,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Like I those dudes are jacked. They're like just like
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: ripped their their tan. They are, And I'm like, there's
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: your Usian minded getting naked. They're probably like I haven't
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: working out for this, like I'm here for Like I
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: don't think anybody was bombed out about taking their clothes on.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: And I guess you say that you're like, Okay, well
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: you can show off your entire body and everything you
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: work for with the song on to take the song off.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: Then it goes into a whole other territory like I'm
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: showing off my junk. Yeah. Well, and then I think
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: it's really interesting that the producers like made them do
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: their interviews like while they're holding their junk. How did
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: you guys noticed that? Like, you're just like, all right,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: put the guy, poor Blake, let the guy get dressed,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: you know, going back to the house without their clothes
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: on and sitting there with a pillows. You're just like
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: who has never been comfortable being around other people naked?
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: So I know I wouldn't be okay with this date,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: But I also think I would have been the kind
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: of person that just would have said, I don't really
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: care if you guys think I'm a loser for not
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: doing Yeah, I don't think I do. I just had
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: a girls trip and we all played pickleball naked. We
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: did have our tennis shoes on fish but it was
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: not being videotaped, and it was not to watch it back.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna have to watch it back. Now. There
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: are some things of some kind of more funny things.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Now to close that note, it is going to be controversial.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on the subject. I think people
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: are gonna have some really strong opinions. I think people
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: are going to be uh offended. I think others are
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: gonna find it funny. I think some are just gonna
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: find it weird. Um, and we'll be interested to hear
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: kind of how that plays out. However, there is some
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: more humorous stuff to this, Like I don't know why
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I find this funny. It's kind of sad. But like Blake,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: who is like almost in tears, who's super upset and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: sad that these have a date with Claire is standing
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: outside covering his junk having this like super intimate interview
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: as all I can see is just having his hands
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: over his balls, and it's so sad to watch. But
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: you know that producers are like just one more, a
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: little cut and then you can go get dressed, like
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: just one more, you know, and you're just like, poor guy.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: I have to mention Blake before we go ble. You know,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: he made a big splash last week for being open
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: about communicating with Claire earlier before the season started. She liked.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: This week he was like, I'm going to continue to
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: not play by the rules, which I respected, because I
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: don't think for Claire she wants a guy who's going
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: to play by the rules because she wants the but
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: you to pursue her so hard, like we were talking
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: about before, So when he comes and crashes that date
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: even though his team didn't win, you know, the evening
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: part of the date, I was like, nope, I think
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Claire's gonna like this. Of course the guys are going
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: to you know, be up in arms about it, but
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: I think this is going to teach them all lesson that.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Claire's go it's all about you pursue me in any
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: way you can figure out. I don't care whether or
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: not it's for the rules or what. Um. I think
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: it was really really cool that she didn't kiss him.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: I thought that it said a lot about like where
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: her energy was at with the guys that won. I mean,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I thought that's a that was a bold move because
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: he really went in for it and she was clearly
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: like not now. And then I thought, um, I think
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: that she was just put in a bad position because
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: I think at the end of I think at the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: end of the day, and we all know that because
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: he got the rose is I think that she really
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: appreciates that and like it. But I think that out
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: of respect for the guys that she was with, she
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: stirred her ground, which is again, you guys, like, what
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: is so amazing about Claire is like she doesn't compromise,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: She doesn't she she's really able to like set clear
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: boundaries and be respectful and mindful of everyone involved um
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: and own her truth like she owned it. And so
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I thought it was really cool that she didn't let
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: him kiss her. As far as being the ringmaster of
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: all of this, she's handling it like a total pro,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: like she knows what to do in every situation. Yeah,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: she's been really great. I mean she's had some experience,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: so it helps, right, you know, like it literally does. Yeah,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: it does. Now the final thought before we let you go, Michelle,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: I noticed something that I found to be one of
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor funnies that I just have to point out
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: because I'm really proud of myself for like finding this.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: So Joseph goes off and he's pretty upset about the
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: dodgeball day and again like a very little opinion on
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: on that it's gonna be interesting to hear how people react.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: But he's talking about I cannot believe that these guys
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: like got naked, they took off their shirts, they took
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: off whatever for this dodgeball day, and and the voiceover
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: is happening as he has his shirt off putting on
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: his dress shirt for the evening portion of the day,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, the Bachelor is so good
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: because that is just like who knows how that's gonna
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: be caught. But he's literally shirtless putting on his shirt
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: as the voice overs like, I can't believe these guys
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: got shirtless contradiction. It was also funny because if we're
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: going to call out like a little bit of editing play,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: there was a time where she was like, I'm thinking
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: about Chasing, I'm thinking about um whoever else was on
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: that second date, and then she goes, I'm thinking about Dale,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: and you're like, you definitely added that in there because
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: she was talking specifically about the guys on that group day.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: And then they're like, oh no, let's just think it
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: seems like she's never not thinking about Dale exactly. Well,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: you're right, she isn't. I am so excited for next week,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: for this next episode, Michelle, you're the best. Thanks for
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: coming on again, Thank you corner or something, because she
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: just has the best feedback, and you know Claire, so
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: personally that's it's, oh my gosh. Well I'm so happy
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: for her and I'm so glad to be on the show.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: So anytime calling. Thanks by al Right, Ben, before we
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: sign off, should we break? Should we have a break? There? No,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: because we have two spots, and do we only have
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: two spots? Guys to break four? Okay, so we did?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: We did two already, two breaks? Yeah, well one break
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: has two spots. Okay, okay, Well, but before we wrap
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: up the podcast, you know what time it is, Ben,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: It's time for you to share a story that you
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: didn't tell in your book. So today we are going
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: to be talking about the time that you fell under
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: a bus on your first day of school. Oh that's
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: a good one. Yeah, we can tell this one. Man.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: They're just gonna get more and more intimate every week,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: and and I'm not gonna hold anything back. I feel
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: like this is a safe space. We have our loyal listeners,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: some of which are very kind, some of which not
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: so much. But all of them are gonna hear it,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna to judge themselves. So this is an
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: easy story. I'm an only child, as you do know.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Uh and uh, my very first day of school was
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: obviously a big day for me, but also my parents
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: is my very it's the very first day that their
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: kid is going to school. And my mom decides to
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: put me on the bus for my first day of
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: school because this is something that she wanted me to
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: get in the habit of. She also wanted me to
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: mingle with other kids from all the different neighborhoods, and
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: so I was excited for she was excited for it.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: L on my on the when the bus comes down
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: the lane. I still remember these moments, so excited to
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: see my mom after a day of school. And the
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: bus would come around the corner and there would be
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: my house. My mom would be standing um outside kind
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: of waiting for me. But on this day she had
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: like her photo or her camera with her and uh,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: and she was taking a picture of me getting off
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: the bus. And I'm so excited to get off the
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: bus and tell my mom. By my first day school,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: I still remember this moment. I had my purple backpack
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: on that I'm running off the bus and I missed
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: the last step and I fall ashley flat on my
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: face out of the bus. And there's a picture of
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: me that my mom took, just like sprawled out, face
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: on the ground, backpack in the air, on my very
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: first day of school. It's a sad story, one that's
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: still with me still sits with me, so you didn't
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: get like you weren't under the bus in the sense
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: that you were getting rolled run over by No. No, no,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: we talked about getting hit by a car uh last week.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: Um no, I've only been hit by one car walking.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: So this was just me getting under the bus and
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: having uh and having a picture taken of me as
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: I flew off. So that's the second story. I think
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  Speaker 1: we probably have like three or four more to go. Um,
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be stories about rashes, there's gonna be stories
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  Speaker 1: about like my problems toilet paper. Uh. Yeah, you're private.
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  Speaker 1: Uh if you if you're down with that, we have
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  Speaker 1: a couple of stories about your private area. It's gonna
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  Speaker 1: as we talked about Claire's third episode next week with
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