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Credlin | 25 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on sky Ingins Australia. Good evening, Welcome
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Speaker 1: to the show. Yes, step price in for Peter tonight.
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Speaker 1: She'll be back with you next Monday night. And I'll
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Speaker 1: be here at this time tomorrow for our normal Friday
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Speaker 1: night program, although last Friday night we didn't get to air.
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Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up tonight on Credlin. After months of speculation,
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister finally announces the retirement of two cabinet
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Speaker 1: ministers and foreshadows are reshuffled. I think you'll announce that
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Speaker 1: on Sunday. I'll talk to our panel about who goes
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Speaker 1: and who survives. Bye by Andrew Giles. I'd be tipping
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Speaker 1: that's not a hard tip. To make a national address
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Speaker 1: from the Oval Office by President Joe Biden today to
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Speaker 1: endorse Kamala Harris and reflect on his own career in politics. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's left the world wondering how this bloke can possibly
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Speaker 1: run the free world from now until next January. You
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Speaker 1: could barely stay awake today, Annals Nielsen in Washington. Shortly
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Speaker 1: still in Washington, the Israeli PM Benjumin Nett and Yahoo's
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Speaker 1: addressed Congress in a very Spiry speech today, fifty Democrats
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Speaker 1: walked out, protests broke out across the capital. Joel Bernie
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Speaker 1: from the Jewish Affairs Council on the importance of that
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Speaker 1: address and on our government's surprising decision regarding West Bank
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Speaker 1: settlements and the staggering one hundred and sixty million dollars
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Speaker 1: being spent by New South Wales taxpayers to house the
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Speaker 1: homeless in Sydney motels and hotels as the rent crisis worsens.
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Speaker 1: James Willis from News Limit has been digging around about
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Speaker 1: that and he'll have some exclusive details. But first, as
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Speaker 1: we charge into the programmer sober warning today from an
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Speaker 1: economist on the state of the Australian economy as we
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Speaker 1: wait nervously for next week's inflation figures. They'll come out Wednesday. Strangely,
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister, when asked about this warning from Deloit
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Speaker 1: Access Economics, said today the analysis from Deloit justified the
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Speaker 1: government's economic strategy.
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Speaker 2: I've seen the report from Deloitte and can I say this.
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Speaker 2: It is an endorsement of the government's economic strategy. We
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Speaker 2: want an economy that works for people, not the other
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Speaker 2: way around, and that's why we have put in place
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Speaker 2: those measures, and I welcome the fact that the Deloitte
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Speaker 2: report is an endorsement of our strategy.
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Speaker 1: Really, PM Treasure Jim Charmers went further and said his
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Speaker 1: budget strategy was taking some of the edge off inflation. Really,
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Speaker 1: what world is he living in? But I guess Jim
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Speaker 1: Charmers doesn't have to fill up the Como card, petrol,
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Speaker 1: or pay rent or worry about the grocery bill. He
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Speaker 1: clearly seems to misunderstand what Access has said. Today. Let's
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Speaker 1: spill it out for Jim Charmers. Deloitte says a rate
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Speaker 1: rise at the August Reserve Bank meeting Wood quote erase
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Speaker 1: the benefit of wage rises and tax cuts for anybody
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Speaker 1: with a mortgage. Now, what's hard to understand about that?
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Speaker 1: August six is the bank's d day and Deloitte says
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Speaker 1: the rate rise would crush their word, household and business
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Speaker 1: confidence in the second half of this year, and the
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Speaker 1: Treasure in the Prime Minister going, well, there's no problem
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Speaker 1: here now. Deloitte predicts if the rates rise, it will
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Speaker 1: be because those inflation figures are still too high. And
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Speaker 1: we know a big reason for that is the massive
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Speaker 1: cash splashes from various state and federal governments on big
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Speaker 1: infrastructure projects dominated by union workforces who've squeezed inflationary wage
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Speaker 1: deals out of those companies. Now. Deloitte economists Praddy Philip
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Speaker 1: was on Sky today to try and explain.
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Speaker 3: We know that the economy is weak. The economy is
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Speaker 3: weak because investment is low and household budgets have been
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Speaker 3: smashed and so consumption is weak. Right now, the revamped
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Speaker 3: Stage three tax cuts are cushioning household budgets to some extent,
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Speaker 3: and a Rakee rise would wipe that out.
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Speaker 1: This is the bloke who wrote the report. He's talking
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Speaker 1: about the economy being weak. What more does the PM
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Speaker 1: and the Treasurer need? So while a PM's attention today
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Speaker 1: was on the retirement of two labor MPs, Linda Bernie
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Speaker 1: and Brendan O'Connor, and a lot of the tributes to
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Speaker 1: Bernie's career concentrated, of course on the three hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty million dollars that we lost. That was the lost
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Speaker 1: cause of the Voice referendum.
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Speaker 4: Of course, the Voice referendum, as the Prime Minister said,
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Speaker 4: didn't deliver the outcome we had hoped, but I think
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Speaker 4: history will treat it kindly but I know in my heart.
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Speaker 5: I gave it all that I quit to close the
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Speaker 5: gap and to advance reconciliation.
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Speaker 1: Good honor. I hope she has a good retirement. Three
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars was flushed down the drain. Ironic.
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Speaker 1: The tears are still being shed over that folly. Sixty
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Speaker 1: percent of Australian's against it, while the economy tanks, record
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Speaker 1: numbers of people are living paycheck to paycheck, scores of
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Speaker 1: businesses are collapsing daily, and immigration numbers, despite what the
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Speaker 1: government promises, stay way too high. I mean, the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister just doesn't seem to understand how tough it is
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Speaker 1: for people right now, and he'd better work it out
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Speaker 1: quickly if he's got any chance of winning an election
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Speaker 1: that he instill insists will be next year. He broke
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Speaker 1: a promise on taxes, he has failed to make any
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Speaker 1: dent on the housing crisis. Immigration's unpopular and too high.
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Speaker 1: Young Australians are giving up on ever owning a house.
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Speaker 1: Cities are traffic clogged and speared with the graffiti, and
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Speaker 1: the homelessness are out there in full view. It's nice
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Speaker 1: to farewell your mates and say nice things about them,
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Speaker 1: but most people have never heard of Brendan O'Connor and
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Speaker 1: only remember Linda Burney for a failed voice vote and
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Speaker 1: a failure to help the people of Alice Springs. I
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Speaker 1: suggest the PM needs to get back to real work
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Speaker 1: and in a hurry that said to Canberra Now for
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Speaker 1: tonight's political Headlines with Sky News political reporter Olivia Kaisley.
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Speaker 6: Good Evening, Australia has imposed historic sanctions on Israeli settlers
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Speaker 6: who've carried out acts of violence in the West Bank.
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Speaker 6: The Foreign Minister has demanded Israel hold extremists to account
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Speaker 6: in order to keep hopes of a two state solution alive.
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Speaker 2: To a two state solution, they are illegal under international
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Speaker 2: law of.
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Speaker 6: You, confirmed by the International Court of Justice last week.
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Speaker 6: In response to that ruling, Australia's joined the UK, EU
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Speaker 6: and others to impose sanctions on Ettinger, Hilltop Youth and
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Speaker 6: six other individuals who are believed to be undermining attempts
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Speaker 6: for peace.
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Speaker 2: Decision, because it's the right thing.
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Speaker 3: To do, Australia does have a role in discouraging acts
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Speaker 3: like that from occurring.
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Speaker 6: The mcjinski style sanctions aren't applied lightly. They've been used
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Speaker 6: in recent years to penalize Russian and Iranian operatives who
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Speaker 6: carried out human rights abuses, but it's the first time
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Speaker 6: they've been imposed by Australia on Israel.
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Speaker 7: Continue to act in ways that we can to protect
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Speaker 7: a pathway to a two state solution.
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Speaker 6: Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Bernie and Skills Minister Brendan O'Connor
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Speaker 6: have revealed that they'll bow out of politics at the
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Speaker 6: next election. Tributes have flown from across the Aisle for
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Speaker 6: their service.
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Speaker 2: I'm proud to have witnessed firsthand their passion for this nation.
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Speaker 6: It paves the way for a reshuffle this Sunday. The
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Speaker 6: Opposition thinks the Prime Minister's close friend and factional ally
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Speaker 6: Andrew Giles, should be moved out of Immigration.
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Speaker 1: I think Andrew Giles has to be the top of
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Speaker 1: the list.
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Speaker 3: You can't release one hundred and fifty three hardened criminals
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Speaker 3: into the community.
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Speaker 1: He should be on the backbench by now.
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Speaker 6: Peter Dutton has called on the Prime Minister to explain
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Speaker 6: why he stopped the nation's intelligence chiefs from attending every
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Speaker 6: meeting of the National Security Committee. Sky News revealed on
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Speaker 6: Wednesday Labor had reversed its decision for ASIO Director General
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Speaker 6: Mike Burgess to only consult on national security matters on
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Speaker 6: a case by case basis, restoring his permanent position there
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Speaker 6: heavily REDA acted freedom of information request obtained by Sky
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Speaker 6: News shows the now revised change happened as early as
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Speaker 6: January of last year. The Coalition says it's not good enough.
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Speaker 8: And it's an extraordinary and embarrassing backflip from the government.
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Speaker 1: Good on youre Olivia, Thank you very much for that.
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Speaker 1: Now for a look at the other big stories of
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Speaker 1: the day, we're joined by Herold Sun Senior right to
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Speaker 1: Patrick Carline and Deputy Executive Director of the Institute of
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Speaker 1: Public Affairs Daniel Wild. Welcome to you both. We'll get
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Speaker 1: onto the reshuffle in a moment. Patrick, you love your sport.
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Speaker 1: Olympics starts on the weekend opening ceremony Saturday morning, out
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Speaker 1: time the French. I'll get your view on this as well, Daniel.
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Speaker 1: Are running in Olympic Games alcohol free. You can't buy
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Speaker 1: any booze in a venue at the Olympics.
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Speaker 9: What support are going? Where do you talk to you
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Speaker 9: about this? I mean, you know that's our right.
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Speaker 1: I mean you go to France Daniel on holidays and
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Speaker 1: you go there to drink fine wine and have great food.
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Speaker 1: Well you want to say you can buy for third
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Speaker 1: dollars a pint of zero alcohol. Bo who drinks that
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Speaker 1: thirteen bucks?
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Speaker 8: Well, they've also got the vegan menu options and the
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Speaker 8: plant based food, and these strange beds that you can't
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Speaker 8: even sleep on properly. So, I mean, I don't know
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Speaker 8: how this is good for the spectators or the athletes,
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Speaker 8: to be honest, Steve.
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Speaker 1: No, I mean, imagine going out to the rowing or
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Speaker 1: somewhere and sitting on the river bank and you can't
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Speaker 1: even ever drink. It's unbelievable. Let's get onto the reshuff.
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Speaker 1: It's been a long time company coming. Anthony Albanize is
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Speaker 1: going to announce it on Sunday. Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda
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Speaker 1: Bernie she's retiring. Brenda O'Connor's retiring. I don't think too
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Speaker 1: many people would know Brendan O'Connor, but Patrick Linda Bernie
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Speaker 1: was central to the Voice campaign. She was convinced, like
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Speaker 1: Elbow was it, they'd get it over the line. Sixty
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Speaker 1: percent of us voted against it. I guess that's her legacy.
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Speaker 1: She didn't get it up.
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Speaker 9: Look, I was struck today, Steve by the good will
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Speaker 9: shown towards Linda Bernie from both sides of the House.
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Speaker 9: But her legacy certainly is that failed voice. She was
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Speaker 9: unable to bring together the factions of the Yes campaign
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Speaker 9: and they were fighting with one another in a way
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Speaker 9: that was untenable. It was never going to be a
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Speaker 9: majority of Australians who were going to vote for them.
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Speaker 1: I ended up feeling sorry for it. Under pressure, voice
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Speaker 1: cracked and she didn't seem to be able to handle
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Speaker 1: question time.
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Speaker 9: I think, in fairness, I don't think any one person
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Speaker 9: really could have achieved what she had to achieve there
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Speaker 9: to actually get a year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably Daniel sheet it back home to Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 1: I mean he stood up there full of victory adrenaline.
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Speaker 1: On the ninety one the election. First thing he said
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Speaker 1: is we will introduce the Ularu's Statement from the Heart
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Speaker 1: in full and have a referendum. Well that's right.
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Speaker 8: I mean, the very first thing he said was an
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Speaker 8: acknowledgment of country, and then he went into voice trety truth,
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Speaker 8: and then he thanked the Australian public for being elected
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Speaker 8: as the Prime Minister, So it started off on the
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Speaker 8: wrong foot. Half a billion dollars and a referendum divite
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Speaker 8: Australians by race. As you said, sixty percent said no,
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Speaker 8: but forty percent of labor voters voted no. Three quarters
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Speaker 8: of federal labor seats voted no. Astonishing that that happened.
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Speaker 8: And of course we all wish both these individuals all
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Speaker 8: the best for their post parliamentary life. But this was
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Speaker 8: a missed opportunity. I think the ideas provided by Senator
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Speaker 8: just Enter Price should have been taken up by the
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Speaker 8: federal government to have bipartisanship on Indigenous Australians in the outback,
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Speaker 8: but instead they went down a divisive activist path.
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Speaker 1: Patrick, We're in the great socialist state of Victoria. We're
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Speaker 1: going to get what the voice was going to give
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Speaker 1: us anyway, regardless. I mean, the state labor government here
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Speaker 1: and all other state labor governments, to be fair, are
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Speaker 1: all pushing down the road for treaty and that's going
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Speaker 1: to end up, I would imagine with compensation of some sort, sure,
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Speaker 1: and there will be a voice that the government listens to.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know what the point of spending the
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Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty million dollars. Whether we're going to
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Speaker 1: get it anyway, Well, there is.
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Speaker 9: No mandate to create days it certainly in Victoria. I mean,
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Speaker 9: this is not what the people wanted. I mean, the
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Speaker 9: voice was there to try and sort of bring this
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Speaker 9: through a three or four stage process to sort of
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Speaker 9: bring this about. I think a lot of people do
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Speaker 9: sort of wonder is this about compensation above all else?
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Speaker 1: In the end, I think ultimately it is. I mean, Daniel,
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Speaker 1: we also see Andrew Giles and clear I knew you'll
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Speaker 1: probably get pushed out. I mean, thank god for that.
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Speaker 1: He has been the worst immigration minister in the history
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Speaker 1: of the country. Giles, Well, I think that's right.
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Speaker 8: I mean there's an interesting political issue here which Simon
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Speaker 8: Benson has touched on, which is the rules that labor
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Speaker 8: has around factional positions for different people and they're obsessed
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Speaker 8: with quotas. So whether they can actually arrange that, I
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Speaker 8: don't know. But on the policy substance, massive failure, not
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Speaker 8: only the detainees that have been released, but just this
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Speaker 8: out of control mass migration program, over a million net
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Speaker 8: migrants over the last two years, no proper planning. We've
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Speaker 8: got Australians getting poorer. Five consecutive quarters of negative per
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Speaker 8: capita economic growth. That's the longest decline we've ever had
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Speaker 8: on record, and things are only getting worse. There's no
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Speaker 8: real vision for how we're going to have an economy
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Speaker 8: that's not based on just population but also productivity.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to to Patrick Took later in the program,
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Speaker 1: and New South Wales government has been found today is
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Speaker 1: spending hundreds of millions of dollars housing people in motels
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Speaker 1: and hotels in Sydney because there's no public housing available,
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Speaker 1: and yet we're still bringing in boatloads, planeloads of migrants.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I really think if Peter Dunton wants to
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Speaker 1: get elected, he's got to have the courage to go
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Speaker 1: out there and have a really strong position on immigration.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, and I think a majority of Australians you look
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Speaker 9: at the surveys, they're sort of wondering about these migration levels.
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Speaker 9: And it's not just about the lack of houses now,
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Speaker 9: it's about the lack of infrastructure that's going to follow
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Speaker 9: down the track. The health system is going to get
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Speaker 9: pressed upon. You're not going to have roads, You're not
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Speaker 9: going to have the money to actually have so many
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Speaker 9: people with simple maths, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Well I went out to western Melbourne of a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, out to Tarneque, which is just north
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Speaker 1: of Werribee, so you'd know what used to be quite
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Speaker 1: rough farmland. They've just plucked all these houses in there.
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Speaker 1: There's not a tree in sight, and there is roads,
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Speaker 1: but they're jammed already and we can't we're going to
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Speaker 1: end up at a city of eight million.
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Speaker 8: Daniel, Well, that's right, and you know Patrick is spot
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Speaker 8: on with the surveys. It's not just stay left or
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Speaker 8: right issue Australians across the board, particularly you know, working
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Speaker 8: class Australians in the outer suburbs who are really battling on.
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Speaker 8: They've got the congestion to deal with the high prices
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Speaker 8: that come with this surge in demand. As you say,
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Speaker 8: we've had you know, hundreds of thousands in these new
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Speaker 8: suburbs and we're all for more migrants coming to our nation,
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Speaker 8: but everyone's saying, look, you've got to get the planning
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Speaker 8: in place first and do it properly, so we.
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Speaker 1: Need to pause them. I mean, where do the migrants
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Speaker 1: go to live? I mean, you know I'm old enough
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Speaker 1: to remember that when we had that big flood of
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Speaker 1: migration after the Second World War of Greeks and Italians
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Speaker 1: and people from Europe. We sent them to Bonni Giller
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Speaker 1: up near Aubury and they lived there for six months
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Speaker 1: until someone can find them a job, and then they
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Speaker 1: went and bought a house. Where do these people go.
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Speaker 9: Now you're here about all these housing programs and all
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Speaker 9: these wonderful governments and sort of saying we're going to
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Speaker 9: build X, but they're not.
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Speaker 1: It's not happening. No, they're emptying out social housing in
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Speaker 1: the major cities to try and rebuild them. At the
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Speaker 1: same time, I don't know where the people go. Speaking
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Speaker 1: of poor policy, the Productivity Commissioners will labour government's future
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Speaker 1: made an Australia Plan risks making Australians poorer. If you can
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Speaker 1: believe that the Commission wants the government to ensure that
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Speaker 1: twenty two point seven billion dollars funded into green subsidies
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Speaker 1: a subject to cost analysis, good luck with that.
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Speaker 8: Daniel Well, this is the hand picked chair but from
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Speaker 8: the Government as well of the Productivity Commission saying this
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Speaker 8: and look, this is another example that net zero does
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Speaker 8: not work.
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Speaker 1: You cannot have a future made in Australia.
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Speaker 8: Why whilst you've got policies like net zero, that is
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Speaker 8: what is causing higher energy prices, the offshore and manufacturing,
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Speaker 8: the massive d industrialization of our nation, the forced decommissioning
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Speaker 8: of base load power supplies, the reality is that these industries,
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Speaker 8: these businesses can only exist, can only survive through billions
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Speaker 8: of dollars in taxpayer money, and this is money we
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Speaker 8: do not have.
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Speaker 1: Patrick, we took last not on the program about a
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Speaker 1: term I'd never heard of, a wind drought. Now what
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Speaker 1: that is is we've had very still conditions, particularly in Victoria.
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Speaker 1: We've had cold, windless days and a lot of it
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Speaker 1: has been clouded, and so the sun and wind energy
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Speaker 1: is not being delivered. We're pouring on the gas to
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Speaker 1: keep the lights on. And yet we're living in a
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Speaker 1: state where the state government says if you built a
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Speaker 1: new house or or an apartment block, you can't connect gas.
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Speaker 9: Well, the state government is totally out of whack with
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Speaker 9: what people want, isn't it. They've sort of come in
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Speaker 9: very hard on the gas. Then the federal government has
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Speaker 9: sort of seen some sort of light and realized we
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Speaker 9: need something more than wind and sun, especially in Melbourne.
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Speaker 9: I mean, we don't get any sun for four months
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Speaker 9: a year, really do we. The state government is out
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Speaker 9: of kilter with popular thinking, certainly, and something's going to
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Speaker 9: have to fill the gap if we don't have cold
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Speaker 9: and we don't have nuclear, which is a whole other story. Obviously,
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Speaker 9: probably it has to be.
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Speaker 10: Gased, doesn't it.
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Speaker 1: It has to be guessed Daniel, how much of a
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Speaker 1: risk is done and taking on the nuclear policy, he's.
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Speaker 8: Taking a bit of a risk. I think he's shown
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Speaker 8: leadership and having a debate on this particular issue. Australians
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Speaker 8: are warming to the idea and clearly we need to
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Speaker 8: have something in this space to fill the void that's
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Speaker 8: going to happen in the base load power. So full
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Speaker 8: credit to Utton and the Liberals for having this debate
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Speaker 8: and taking something serious to the community. We also need
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Speaker 8: something for the here and now, and the only answer
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Speaker 8: is cold firepower. It's not popular. I understand that gas
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Speaker 8: can play a role, but we've already got coal firepower stations.
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Speaker 8: They work well, We've got an abundance of coal. We've
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Speaker 8: got to keep them online until we have a light
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Speaker 8: for light replacement of URP.
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Speaker 1: It was the last time someone did a poll asking
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Speaker 1: people if you had the choice between keeping coal fired
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Speaker 1: power stations operational or you're paying more for your electricity
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Speaker 1: and threats of blackouts, what do you think the result
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Speaker 1: would be. It would be leave them on. That's right.
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Speaker 8: People aren't fussed about the technolo at the end of
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Speaker 8: the day. People are fussed about what comes at the
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Speaker 8: end of it. Do you like stay on? Are your
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Speaker 8: bills coming down? Are their jobs? Is their manufacturing? Do
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Speaker 8: we have sovereign capacity to generate the goods that we need?
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Speaker 8: That is what people care about fundamentally.
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Speaker 1: What sport is the one you want to watch at
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Speaker 1: the Olympics?
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Speaker 9: Oh, breakdancing definitely great.
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Speaker 1: I can't believe that. Oka't wait to see Daniel. I
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Speaker 1: think rowing.
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Speaker 8: I'm a big fan of rowing, so I'm looking forward
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Speaker 8: to see how the athletes go there.
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Speaker 1: Good to see you both, Thanks for coming in. After
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Speaker 1: the break, we'll go to Washington. It's been a big
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Speaker 1: day there. Today, questions mount over whether Joe Biden can
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Speaker 1: actually make it to the end of his term and
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Speaker 1: how feebly is looking. Plus those protests over the visit
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Speaker 1: of benumin Netanyahum. What they tell us about the pro
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Speaker 1: Palestine vote in the upcoming election. All that to come
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Speaker 1: welcome back, So another massive day in US politics. Of course,
18:47
Speaker 1: we had that bombshell announcement over the weekend that Joe
18:49
Speaker 1: Biden's not going to run for reelection. Instead, he has
18:52
Speaker 1: endorsed his vice president, Kamala Harris. We've finally heard from
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Speaker 1: the President himself.
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Speaker 11: You know, in recent weeks has become clear to me
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Speaker 11: I need to unite my party in this critical endeavor.
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Speaker 11: I believe I reckon as president, my leadership in the world.
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Speaker 11: I visioned for America's future, all married it a second term,
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Speaker 11: but nothing, nothing can come in the way of saving
19:22
Speaker 11: our democracy. That includes personal ambition. So I've decided the
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Speaker 11: best way forward is the past, the torch for new generation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. To be frank, look, the president look pretty feeble.
19:36
Speaker 1: I think Paul Murray said on Sky earlier today that
19:39
Speaker 1: you held your breath wondering whether he was going to
19:41
Speaker 1: actually finish the sentence. Now. I know he's recovering from COVID,
19:45
Speaker 1: but given we've still got six months until a new
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Speaker 1: president has sworn in, it really raises serious questions about
19:51
Speaker 1: whether Joe Biden can continue in that role. Let's go
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Speaker 1: to Washington Now correspondent and Alise Nielsen's been across this
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Speaker 1: all day. Let's start and at least with perhaps the substance
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Speaker 1: of his address, a lot of talk about democracy being
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Speaker 1: at stake, reiterating his support for Kamala Harris. I think
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Speaker 1: what he was doing is almost talking in code and saying, well,
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Speaker 1: you've now got the choice. You've got Kamala Harris and
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Speaker 1: you've got Donald Trump, and Donald Trump's are a risk
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Speaker 1: to democracy.
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Speaker 12: And look when we look at what's happened over the
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Speaker 12: last few days too, this was such a lock up
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Speaker 12: for Kamala Harris. No one else had any kind of
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Speaker 12: breathing room to say, maybe I'll go in. And that's
20:31
Speaker 12: because they didn't do these primaries in the normal process.
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Speaker 12: This could have been happening from last year. They could
20:37
Speaker 12: have let the rank and file members of the Democratic
20:39
Speaker 12: Party cast their ballots and decide who they wanted to
20:43
Speaker 12: be their candidate. But they were left with either Joe Biden,
20:46
Speaker 12: whose mental acuity issues were becoming so obvious to normal
20:50
Speaker 12: people after the debate, especially that it just became an
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Speaker 12: untenable position, and Kamala Harris had a lock on some
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Speaker 12: major fundraising and beyond that, the closer we get to
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Speaker 12: election data, harder it is for anyone else to throw
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Speaker 12: their hat in the ring. And when you have a
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Speaker 12: crowded field of hopefuls for democratic leadership in the future,
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Speaker 12: of people who are popular in their own states as
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Speaker 12: governors or successful senators, why would you risk it now
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Speaker 12: to throw your hat in one hundred days out from
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Speaker 12: a presidential election against a guy like Donald Trump who's
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Speaker 12: come back from multiple lawsuits, been thrown out, an assassination
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Speaker 12: attempned now and then try and take him on. Why
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Speaker 12: not wait another four years, eight years for your time?
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Speaker 12: So Kamla Harris just cornered the market. Basically, you wonder.
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Speaker 1: How Americans watching what they made of that last night.
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Speaker 1: I mean Joe Biden used terms like younger fresher passing
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Speaker 1: the torch. I mean, wouldn't you be sitting in your
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Speaker 1: lounge room in whatever state you're into America and thinking, well,
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Speaker 1: why didn't you do that six months as you said,
21:54
Speaker 1: or a year ago, and we all knew that you
21:57
Speaker 1: were not going to make it because you can't get
21:59
Speaker 1: up of a plane and you can barely finish the sentence.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Americans would be feeling a bit jilted, wouldn't
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Speaker 1: they that this bloke's back around for so long and
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden gets COVID and last weekend
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Speaker 1: decides to bail.
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Speaker 12: Well, look, most people don't follow politics as much as
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Speaker 12: you or I or our viewers. What I've heard from
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Speaker 12: a lot of people is that they're just relieved. They
22:22
Speaker 12: really thought they were just stuck with Joe Biden, and
22:26
Speaker 12: I don't think the polls were wrong. I hear this
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Speaker 12: a lot from people saying I don't trust poles anymore.
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Speaker 12: And poles are a very different game in America because
22:33
Speaker 12: the market's bigger, there are more polls, they're done more comprehensively,
22:36
Speaker 12: just because there's more money behind everything. So you do
22:39
Speaker 12: get a good read out of these polls, and you
22:41
Speaker 12: can compare them to what's happening out in the diaspora
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Speaker 12: of America, which we do here at Sky all the time.
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Speaker 12: And people were just becoming so apathetic and frustrated. And
22:51
Speaker 12: that's how you lose elections in America. It's not that
22:54
Speaker 12: people have to pick one or the other. They can
22:56
Speaker 12: pick to not vote at all, and that's how you're
22:57
Speaker 12: going to lose States like Michigan and Wisconsin and those
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Speaker 12: really key states. And then apparently the last polling that
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Speaker 12: Joe Biden was seeing he was going to lose Virginia
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Speaker 12: in New Mexico as well, which means one hundred days out,
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Speaker 12: if you're that bad, you're heading for landslide. And I
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Speaker 12: don't there's been this real nice honeymoon period for Kamala Harris.
23:15
Speaker 12: I think just because people are so relieved. It'll be
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Speaker 12: interesting to see whether that sticks, because a lot can
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Speaker 12: happen in one hundred days. She's going to be out campaigning,
23:24
Speaker 12: There's going to be debates. Donald Trump's already said he
23:27
Speaker 12: wants more debates, and it won't take much to kill
23:30
Speaker 12: that enthusiasm again. And then all of a sudden, Donald
23:34
Speaker 12: Trump's back in the front seat.
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Speaker 1: You go back to the Republican convention post the assassination attempt,
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Speaker 1: and you and I talked about this, where Donald Trump
23:45
Speaker 1: slightly changed his demeanor. He was more bringing the people together,
23:50
Speaker 1: he was less bombastic. If you like, is he going
23:54
Speaker 1: to go back to the old Donald Trump in a
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Speaker 1: bid to take down Kamala Harris or is going to
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Speaker 1: stick to the way he was in the days after
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Speaker 1: that shooting.
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Speaker 12: Look so the two things I would say about that is,
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Speaker 12: I think we've seen a new Donald Trump who's a
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Speaker 12: more polished politician from not necessarily the convention, but the debate.
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Speaker 12: The fact that he had the foresight and the discipline
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Speaker 12: to step back and just let Joe Biden talk that
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Speaker 12: was really critical and it was the thing that was
24:25
Speaker 12: an absolute turning point in this election. But then also
24:28
Speaker 12: the unity point. I thought that was so interesting that
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Speaker 12: Joe Biden said that to bring unity back to his party.
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Speaker 12: The only thing the party wasn't united about was Joe
24:38
Speaker 12: Biden's age. And the only other thing really kind of
24:42
Speaker 12: tearing it apart is this this split approach to Gaza.
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Speaker 12: And I mean, we've seen that with the protesters today.
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Speaker 12: They were out setting the US flag on fire and
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Speaker 12: scrawling F Biden in graffiti around here. These are the
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Speaker 12: people that are supposed to be voting Democrat, would be
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Speaker 12: boycotting or just not vote for the Democrats altogether. And
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Speaker 12: so I thought that was really interesting. After the Republican Party, Yes,
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Speaker 12: there's people out in the colds. We didn't see Mike
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Speaker 12: Pence there, we didn't see other prominent leaders of the
25:13
Speaker 12: Republican Party. We didn't have George Bush there either, but
25:16
Speaker 12: that entire RNZ was so united behind Donald Trump. It
25:20
Speaker 12: was such a big celebration. They literally had every delegate
25:22
Speaker 12: vote for Donald Trump as their candidate because Nikki Haley
25:26
Speaker 12: released her delegates, and all the former major competitors from
25:29
Speaker 12: the primaries and the caucuses endorsed Trump. So that's a
25:34
Speaker 12: tough show of unity to come up against. I think
25:37
Speaker 12: Joe Biden thinks that he can fix that now. But
25:39
Speaker 12: it's a lot to try and get done in one
25:41
Speaker 12: hundred days, and it will be interesting to see if
25:43
Speaker 12: Karmela can get a solid VP candidate. I think that'll
25:46
Speaker 12: be a good indicator of how much people really think
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Speaker 12: her campaign has legs.
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Speaker 1: Been you and Nett and Ya who addressed Congress today
25:55
Speaker 1: and Elise it was probably what you noticed was how
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Speaker 1: many of the Democrats were not actually there. I mean
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Speaker 1: fifty members of Congress walked out, including people like Pelosi,
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren. The polster Frank Lutz has said that more
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Speaker 1: than fifty Democrats walk out, it will impact on the election.
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Speaker 1: Is the Gaza conflict and where the Democrats and the
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Speaker 1: Republicans stand on this going to be an election issue?
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Speaker 1: Or is it really going to be an election about
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Speaker 1: cost of living, border control.
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Speaker 12: I mean, the thing to remember about America is it's
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Speaker 12: always about the electoral college map, and so you have
26:33
Speaker 12: to look at which voters in which states matter. And
26:36
Speaker 12: then when we're talking about Israel Gaza, they're bleeding support
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Speaker 12: in Michigan, and they could lose a lot of support
26:45
Speaker 12: in Georgia around the blue areas as well. So this
26:49
Speaker 12: is where they're really going to feel the pain. And
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Speaker 12: so it is a divisive problem and the fact you
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Speaker 12: had so many people. Remember in the US too, every
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Speaker 12: member of the House of Representatives goes to an every
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Speaker 12: two years, and so they're feeling this pain from the
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Speaker 12: ballot box more than anyone. But I've noticed, even being
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Speaker 12: out today watching this protest, it was reminiscent to me
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Speaker 12: of the BLM protests in twenty twenty. The kind of
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Speaker 12: destruction that we saw, the lighting fires and the effigies,
27:20
Speaker 12: the fencing that had to go up. I saw the
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Speaker 12: tear gas and protesters grabbing at police so assaults, and
27:29
Speaker 12: it's a lot of the same atmosphere, and I think
27:33
Speaker 12: that's going to ignite as the summer goes on. It's
27:35
Speaker 12: very hot here it's very lengthy, and we're going to
27:37
Speaker 12: have the convention in Chicago. I think we're going to
27:40
Speaker 12: see a lot more of those kind of protesters come out,
27:42
Speaker 12: and that's going to really frustrate a lot of people
27:46
Speaker 12: as well, because I mean they hit small businesses like
27:49
Speaker 12: I tried to go by dinner afterwards and all the
27:51
Speaker 12: restaurants around were closed, and those are all small business
27:53
Speaker 12: operators just trying to make ends meet. That has flow
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Speaker 12: on effects beyond the actual foreign policy crisis. How it
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Speaker 12: plays out domestically is going to really change how people
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Speaker 12: feel about it.
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Speaker 1: Another long day for you, analy Thanks very much for
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Speaker 1: your time.
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Speaker 12: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: I want to get a local reaction to those protests,
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Speaker 1: which we were just talking with Analyse there about. I
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Speaker 1: mean Netna, his visit to the United States obviously was
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Speaker 1: going to bring the temperature up. He's slammed the protesters
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Speaker 1: have listen.
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Speaker 13: Many anti Israel protesters, many choose to stand with evil.
28:34
Speaker 13: They stand with hamas they stand with rapists and murderers.
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Speaker 13: These protesters stand with them. They should be ashamed of themselves.
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Speaker 1: It's a very powerful speech. John May now as Australia,
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Speaker 1: Israel and Jewish Affairs Council Executive Manager Joel Bernie Joel,
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Speaker 1: I presume you had a look at what Netnya who
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Speaker 1: had to say there in the Congress. It's a very
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Speaker 1: powerful speech, wasn't it.
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Speaker 14: There was a significant speech by Prime Minister nets in Yahoo,
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Speaker 14: around fifteen minutes long, the number of standing ovations, and
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Speaker 14: he covered some critical points, not just a part not
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Speaker 14: just in terms of the bilateral relationship between the United
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Speaker 14: States and Israel, but also about the trajectory of where
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Speaker 14: we're heading as a global community. What you've seen in
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Speaker 14: the protests in Washington during Prime Minister's visit, including the
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Speaker 14: tearing down and burning of the American flag and the
29:30
Speaker 14: hoisting of the Commace flag in downtown Washington, is reminiscent
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Speaker 14: of what we've seen on the streets of our city
29:38
Speaker 14: since the terrible events of October seven. Now, I do
29:41
Speaker 14: note I was watching Analyse in your previous package. He
29:44
Speaker 14: was doing fantastic work in Washington. But what she said
29:48
Speaker 14: about those local traders and the impact that these movements,
29:51
Speaker 14: these protest movements have on the life of individual and
29:54
Speaker 14: small business owners even here in Australia, has been terrible,
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Speaker 14: and I think that the public is at a gutfull, Joel.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how concerned are you when you see fifty
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Speaker 1: Democrats including Nancy Pelosi and others, did not stay in
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Speaker 1: the chamber. They boycotted that speech. Are you worried about
30:17
Speaker 1: what might happen if someone like Kamala Harris, who's a
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Speaker 1: very left leaning Democrat were to win the election, if
30:24
Speaker 1: she was the new US president? I mean, what would
30:26
Speaker 1: the relationship do you believe with Israel? Be?
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Speaker 10: Like?
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Speaker 14: Well, I wouldn't want to gloss over it, but I
30:32
Speaker 14: also wouldn't blow it out of proportion either. So the
30:35
Speaker 14: fact that some notable Democrats were not in the chamber
30:38
Speaker 14: were similar to Nettiao's previous speech in Congress about eight
30:41
Speaker 14: or nine years ago, when a similar amount were also
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Speaker 14: not in the chamber. But then conversely, the vast majority
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Speaker 14: of both the House and the Senate were there, and
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Speaker 14: he had, as I said before, he had multiple standing
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Speaker 14: ovations to the point that he was discussing just briefly
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Speaker 14: in terms of the Vice President. So obviously she wasn't
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Speaker 14: in the chamber either. But I do note that the
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Speaker 14: Prime Minister will be meeting with the Vice President tomorrow
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Speaker 14: our time today American time, on Thursday, And I will
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Speaker 14: say this in terms of concerns about her being the
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Speaker 14: presumptive nominee in contrast to what's currently going on with
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Speaker 14: inside the Biden administration, my estimation is is that for
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Speaker 14: the majority of it, she will try and stick close
31:26
Speaker 14: to what the administration has done over the past three
31:28
Speaker 14: and a half years. But the one area of concern
31:31
Speaker 14: that I have is that President Biden had a very
31:34
Speaker 14: very long, decades long relationship with the State of Israel
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Speaker 14: that's very very deep, very very serious, and very very
31:40
Speaker 14: important personally to the President, and that has been illustrated
31:45
Speaker 14: in many of the things that he's done recently post
31:48
Speaker 14: October seven. Kamala Harris does not have that established history
31:53
Speaker 14: like President Biden has, So if you had to point
31:55
Speaker 14: on one of those potential weaknesses, I would point to that.
31:59
Speaker 14: But I think that's I will tell to see what
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Speaker 14: positions the vice President's going to take over the next six.
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Speaker 1: Months job bringing it back home. I was very puzzled
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Speaker 1: this morning to read that Foreign Minister Penny Wong on
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Speaker 1: Radio of all things, announced sanctions on a number of
32:14
Speaker 1: Israeli settlers over violence against Palestinians in the West Bank,
32:19
Speaker 1: and when speaking on the sanctions, Minister Wong said, quote,
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Speaker 1: the Albanizi government has been firm and consistent that Israeli
32:25
Speaker 1: settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories are illegal under international
32:30
Speaker 1: law and a significant obstacle to peace. What do you
32:33
Speaker 1: make of what the Albanizi governor is doing here?
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Speaker 14: So I take two clear issues with the announcement earlier
32:42
Speaker 14: on today and the reasons for it. So the first
32:45
Speaker 14: is the announcement of the sanctions themselves. So settler violence
32:50
Speaker 14: is an issue. My organization has called it out from
32:52
Speaker 14: time to time when it's when the settlers have done
32:56
Speaker 14: some bad things to Palestinians in the West Bank. However,
33:01
Speaker 14: it needs to be noted that Israel is a very
33:03
Speaker 14: strong and vibrant democracy that has an impeccably strong and
33:08
Speaker 14: independent judiciary, and the country is ruled and its citizens
33:11
Speaker 14: are ruled by a very strong.
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Speaker 10: Rule of law.
33:13
Speaker 14: So the ability of Israel to investigate, arrest and prosecute
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Speaker 14: these people is significant and it should be left to
33:21
Speaker 14: a liberal democracy like Israel to do so independently of
33:24
Speaker 14: comment from other countries, including allies like Australia. The second
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Speaker 14: thing is is that this idea that it is such
33:30
Speaker 14: a significant obstacle to peace. Now, to be frank, there
33:34
Speaker 14: are many many obstacles to peace, many many larger obstacles,
33:39
Speaker 14: including the alleged partner for peace and the Palestine Authority,
33:43
Speaker 14: which I will note is paying stipends to the terrorists
33:47
Speaker 14: that came into Israel on October seven. These are the
33:51
Speaker 14: real impediments to peace. Palestinian rejectionism of the multiple offers
33:56
Speaker 14: for peace and for two states that have been offered
33:58
Speaker 14: in the past notable obstacles to peace. So I think
34:02
Speaker 14: that the government's preoccupation with focusing singularly on Israel is
34:06
Speaker 14: a common trade of this government. It's continued its realignment
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Speaker 14: of a very long standing and bipartisan bilateral relationship between
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Speaker 14: Australia and Israel, and I do fear that in the
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Speaker 14: last nine or so months of this government that that
34:21
Speaker 14: realignment will continue to be against Israel.
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Speaker 1: Joe Bernie, great to catch up. Thank you very much
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Speaker 1: for helping us out tonight. Now all right after the break.
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Speaker 1: You won't believe the eye watering cost for motels and
34:33
Speaker 1: hotels that the New South Wales government is paying to
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Speaker 1: house homeless people. Surely there's a better way forward than
34:40
Speaker 1: that plus free from labor. Senator Fatimah payment is off
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Speaker 1: to a rocky start as she asks for more staff
34:47
Speaker 1: to help her out. More on that later. Welcome back,
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Speaker 1: now staggering story in the Daily Telegraph today. Now, I
34:56
Speaker 1: mentioned at the beginning of the program the nations in
34:59
Speaker 1: the middle of a housing crisis, and it extends to
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Speaker 1: people who are simply trying to get into public housing.
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Speaker 1: I say, simply, but the waiting list in one state,
35:08
Speaker 1: New South Wales alone, there's over fifty seven thousand people
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Speaker 1: on a waiting list. I mean, how could that be?
35:14
Speaker 1: And I imagine the number is not much different in
35:17
Speaker 1: other states right around the country. But the Telegraph has
35:20
Speaker 1: discovered that taxpayers are forking out one hundred and sixty
35:26
Speaker 1: million let me repeat the number, one hundred and sixty
35:29
Speaker 1: million dollars a year to cover the cost of housing
35:33
Speaker 1: people who are waiting on these waiting lists or homeless
35:36
Speaker 1: people in motels and hotels. They'd otherwise be out on
35:40
Speaker 1: the streets. The man who broke that story in the
35:42
Speaker 1: DLHI Telegraphy is James Willison, old colleague of mine from
35:46
Speaker 1: two GB He joins us now, James, hell of a
35:49
Speaker 1: lot of money one hundred and sixty million dollars.
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Speaker 7: Steve, no doubt about that, and good to see you again.
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Speaker 7: I stumbled across this figure by Stake when I was
35:58
Speaker 7: investigating why in crisis is continuing in New South Wales
36:02
Speaker 7: and some of these big projects that were promised four
36:04
Speaker 7: or five years ago have been stalled or fallen over.
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Speaker 10: This is a tragic set of circumstances.
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Speaker 7: For people that if it weren't for these stop gap measures,
36:14
Speaker 7: which is nightly rates in motels and hotels, and there's
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Speaker 7: a range of hotels across Sydney that have commercial agreements
36:21
Speaker 7: with the state government to house people for a night
36:26
Speaker 7: or a week or a month that would otherwise be homeless.
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Speaker 7: So on one hand, yes, it is an outrageous amount
36:33
Speaker 7: of money, but on the other, if it weren't for
36:36
Speaker 7: this one hundred and sixty million dollars for motels and hotels,
36:40
Speaker 7: we would have a situation like in San Francisco, like
36:43
Speaker 7: in other parts of the world where the streets were
36:46
Speaker 7: tragically flooded.
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Speaker 10: By homeless people.
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Speaker 7: So this is a metaphor for the crisis that we're
36:52
Speaker 7: in and it just shows how urgently and how far
36:55
Speaker 7: behind we are on meeting those housing targets that we
36:58
Speaker 7: so desperately need a time when we're bringing in hundreds
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Speaker 7: of thousands of migrants into the country, plus international students,
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Speaker 7: visa holders and everything else.
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Speaker 1: Well, the migrant questions a great one. I'll get to
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Speaker 1: that within in a second. But this makes me think
37:14
Speaker 1: that either the New South Wales government is very very
37:17
Speaker 1: very kind hearted. Well, the New South Wales government, and
37:20
Speaker 1: I suspect other labor governments and other jurisdictions don't want
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Speaker 1: the bad look of hundreds and hundreds of people living
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Speaker 1: on the streets. Which one do you think it is?
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Speaker 10: Well, I agree with you.
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Speaker 7: I think they are desperate to avoid a scenario where
37:37
Speaker 7: you have homeless people all over Sydney. We've seen homeless
37:41
Speaker 7: camps in Martin Place near the Reserve Bank, but this
37:45
Speaker 7: crisis would be far more. It could be thousands, tens
37:47
Speaker 7: of thousands more if we weren't using hotel rooms and
37:51
Speaker 7: hotel rooms to house people that are on this public
37:54
Speaker 7: housing wait list, some of them for.
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Speaker 10: Five years, some of them for ten years.
37:58
Speaker 7: And it seems like having spoken a few people that
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Speaker 7: are in this situation there basically it's this massive scrambling
38:05
Speaker 7: exercise to say well, we've got this person in that
38:07
Speaker 7: motel room for a week, then we have a family
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Speaker 7: coming in, so we have to kick them out.
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Speaker 10: We need to find a spot for them.
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Speaker 7: And the whole issue is the result of not having
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Speaker 7: an up affordable housing and being a mile behind on
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Speaker 7: our housing targets. The best seeing Chris Min's The New
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Speaker 7: South Wales premiere could do at the moment would be
38:26
Speaker 7: to shut up about the seventy five thousand homes it
38:28
Speaker 7: needs to build every year, because at the moment it's
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Speaker 7: a simply impossible.
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Speaker 10: Target to reach.
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Speaker 7: And the more they go on about this target that
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Speaker 7: they have to reach, the further they're going to fail
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Speaker 7: within twelve months, twenty four months and beyond.
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Speaker 1: James, do we know if some of these people who
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Speaker 1: are squatting in these motels at our expense are they
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Speaker 1: migrants so that people have come into the country or
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Speaker 1: are they people who long term on the waiting list
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Speaker 1: for public housing? Do we know?
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Speaker 7: Well, that's a good question because when we did the
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Speaker 7: story about the homeless camp out the front of the
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Speaker 7: Reserve Bank building in Martin Place and they were eventually
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Speaker 7: moved on a few weeks later, we discovered that a
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Speaker 7: number of the people that were sleeping raft were not
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Speaker 7: Australian citizens and were migrants had been here on short
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Speaker 7: term visas or some form of visa, and as a
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Speaker 7: result of that they were not entitled to the same
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Speaker 7: level of care and accommodation as Australian citizens were. So
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Speaker 7: I think that kind of answers the question for.
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Speaker 10: You, Steve. But the bigger issue here is.
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Speaker 7: That when you are allowing five hundred thousand migrants to
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Speaker 7: come to New South Wales over the next five years,
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Speaker 7: that's what the budget papers say.
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Speaker 10: They're not my figures, they're budget papers.
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Speaker 7: When you allow foreigners to buy new homes and we
39:46
Speaker 7: don't have really strict rules around foreign investment when it
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Speaker 7: comes to housing, and when your universities are so heavily
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Speaker 7: reliant on international students who sure have their own form
39:58
Speaker 7: of accommodation.
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Speaker 10: But we need to start looking at what's going on
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Speaker 10: in our.
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Speaker 7: Own backyard and sorting out the crisis here before we
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Speaker 7: start saying, well, it's an easy revenue stream to allow
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Speaker 7: more migrants to come here. We need the jobs everything else.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I think for the average israel And that
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Speaker 7: argument no longer passes the pub tests and if spending
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Speaker 7: one hundred and sixty million dollars on motels and hotels
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Speaker 7: for people that would otherwise be homeless is not the
40:24
Speaker 7: best argument you'll hear today, I don't know what is.
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Speaker 1: The government's got a lot of questions to answer. Just finally,
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Speaker 1: I was in Sydney a week ago driving over the
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Speaker 1: Harbor Bridge southbound. On the left hand side is that
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Speaker 1: apartment tower that used to be public housing. It's all
40:39
Speaker 1: been tricked up, and I presume those apartments have been
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Speaker 1: sold off to private owners. So we are actually hollowing
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Speaker 1: out or emptying out some public housing that we already had.
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Speaker 10: That's right.
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Speaker 7: And the other example we highlighted today was at Tilopia
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Speaker 7: near Parramatta in Sydney, where five thousand new homes were
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Speaker 7: promised by a developer five years ago, plus a new library,
40:59
Speaker 7: plus a new community center. And that project is now
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Speaker 7: in limbo. The developer says it's now expensive, the market
41:05
Speaker 7: conditions have changed, so they're trying to renegotiate with the
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Speaker 7: state government. So that's five thousand homes that are in limbo.
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Speaker 7: But you've also got to understand, Steve, we've got an
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Speaker 7: industry that we're relying on to fix this problem which
41:19
Speaker 7: is littered with insolvencies and which a number of people
41:23
Speaker 7: that are in that industry that say we've got tiny
41:26
Speaker 7: little margins to deal with, or did previously. They've now
41:29
Speaker 7: been hit by labor costs, they've been hit by the
41:31
Speaker 7: cost of materials, they've been hit by slow das and
41:34
Speaker 7: all these things stack up, and that's why you're seeing
41:36
Speaker 7: so many of these big construction companies fall over. Plus
41:40
Speaker 7: the actions of the CFMEU, which has been acknowledged contributes
41:43
Speaker 7: to the cost of large scale buildings. And this is
41:47
Speaker 7: the industry that we're relying on to fix one of
41:50
Speaker 7: the biggest issues, if not the biggest issue in the country.
41:53
Speaker 7: And the construction industry is saying to anyone that will listen,
41:57
Speaker 7: the only way we can fix this problem is with
41:59
Speaker 7: sensible tar It's the high you go and the harder
42:01
Speaker 7: you go, corners get cut and we have more and
42:04
Speaker 7: more firms go out of business. This is an industry
42:06
Speaker 7: that is not stable, and yet they're the ones that
42:09
Speaker 7: are expected to fix this problem.
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Speaker 1: James, great work, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 10: Thanks Steve.
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Speaker 1: Extraordinary stuff that now coming up after the break. It's
42:20
Speaker 1: a pretty rough start for poor old Senator Fatima Payman.
42:24
Speaker 1: She's on a speaking to her and not many people
42:27
Speaker 1: seem all that interested in what she's got to say.
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Speaker 1: Plus big news out of nine Entertainment on the eve
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Speaker 1: of the Olympic Games opening ceremony. Coming up, Sophie Ellsworth
42:37
Speaker 1: will give us exclusive details up next, Welcome back Steve
42:44
Speaker 1: Price in for Peter Andrew Bolt. Coming up at the
42:47
Speaker 1: top of the hour. I want to bring my second
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Speaker 1: panel now joining me the media writer at The Australian
42:51
Speaker 1: and writer at Sophie Ellsworth and writer at The Spectator
42:55
Speaker 1: Terry Barnes Gang. Welcome a breaking story, Sophie. This is
42:59
Speaker 1: Hugh just In. Staff at nine Newspapers are set to
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Speaker 1: begin a five day strike. This will start from tomorrow.
43:08
Speaker 1: Nine has the rights to the Olympic Games and their
43:11
Speaker 1: reporters are going to walk off the job.
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Speaker 5: Seriously, Steve, this is really serious. This is disaster for
43:18
Speaker 5: nine Entertainment. They have hundreds of staff who have not
43:22
Speaker 5: reached an agreement with management over pay and work conditions.
43:27
Speaker 5: They wanted a ten and a half percent pay rise
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Speaker 5: over the next three years. Sorry, they wanted twenty percent.
43:33
Speaker 5: They were offered ten and a half. They've rejected that
43:36
Speaker 5: just tonight, within the last hour, so they are set
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Speaker 5: to walk off the job across the country, including their
43:43
Speaker 5: reporters on the ground who were sent there by the
43:46
Speaker 5: company to cover the Paris the two.
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Speaker 1: Hundred people in Paris. I mean, I know there's a
43:50
Speaker 1: lot of television radio, Fross TV.
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Speaker 5: So this is just the publishing division. So Sydney Morning Herald,
43:56
Speaker 5: The Age, the Australian Financial Review from eleven o'clock tomorrow.
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Speaker 5: They're downing tools for five days. So this could not
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Speaker 5: have come at a worse time.
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Speaker 1: And as we know, the biggest revenue earners for nine
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Speaker 1: newspapers are weekends zactly. You've got the Saturday editions of
44:14
Speaker 1: the papers and Sunday editions of the papers. You say
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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock tomorrow, so there is some potential for it
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Speaker 1: to be resolved.
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Speaker 5: Well, it doesn't appear that way. It's broken down. Try McGuire,
44:24
Speaker 5: the publishing boss, was in Sydney and in Melbourne today
44:28
Speaker 5: to speak with staff. Staff are really angry with what's
44:31
Speaker 5: been going on in recent weeks, particularly with Mike Sneezeby
44:34
Speaker 5: this week running through the French streets with the Olympic torch.
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Speaker 5: They are angry and at this point in time they
44:40
Speaker 5: will be walking off the job at eleven am too.
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Speaker 1: It's a huge story. There'll be obviously there'll be some
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Speaker 1: papers brought out, but not as they would normally be.
44:48
Speaker 1: I mentioned former labor center that turned independent fadom of Payment.
44:52
Speaker 1: Now she's looking to broaden her appeal across West Australia.
44:55
Speaker 1: She's a senator. Out of that stage, she's kicked off
44:58
Speaker 1: a twelve day listening tour. The problem is it's off
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Speaker 1: to a slow start. Now Geraldton, which I know well
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Speaker 1: because my sister owns a business in that town. Erry
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Speaker 1: only one person to hear what she had to say.
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Speaker 15: Well, I don't know if there are many labor voters
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Speaker 15: in Geraldon the too, but certainly you Senator Payment now
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Speaker 15: independent is trying to say that, look, i'm here, I'm relevant.
45:21
Speaker 15: It's not just the single issue that I've quit the
45:24
Speaker 15: Labor Party on, so I'm here for all Western Australians.
45:26
Speaker 15: But look, if that's the turnout she's going to get
45:29
Speaker 15: you to go to twelve towns and twelve days, I
45:31
Speaker 15: mean it's twelve people, so really is vote changing stuff?
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Speaker 1: As Geraldon's not a particularly political town. It's a hard
45:38
Speaker 1: working town mainly developed around agriculture, mining and the fishing industries.
45:43
Speaker 1: But one person, you'd feel a little bit upset. We
45:48
Speaker 1: absolutely imagine being invited to go and speak and only
45:50
Speaker 1: one person.
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Speaker 15: I like you say, I don't think there are many
45:53
Speaker 15: inner city basket weavers and geraldon somehow.
45:55
Speaker 1: So she's going to have to change your plans. I
45:58
Speaker 1: would think Ferry the Senator is also asking a PM
46:01
Speaker 1: for more staff.
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Speaker 15: Good luck with that one. Look, I think he's going
46:06
Speaker 15: to give her extra staff because he does want to
46:08
Speaker 15: make trouble with a Muslim woman wearing a huge job
46:12
Speaker 15: when he's got problems. I think with Muslim heavy electorates
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Speaker 15: labor electorates in Sydney and Melbourne, he'll just to just
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Speaker 15: want to make trouble. But on the other hand, as
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Speaker 15: she deserved to be rewarded for her disloyalty and treachery, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Not, No, it'd be a hard ask to do that.
46:26
Speaker 1: Now let's get back to the allegations about the CFMA.
46:29
Speaker 1: You got the National Secretary now, Zack Smith, announcing a
46:32
Speaker 1: new code of conduct for delegates and workplace representatives the CFMI.
46:37
Speaker 1: You are hardly going to take much notice of that,
46:39
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought.
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Speaker 5: No, I don't think so, Steve. I mean, this is
46:43
Speaker 5: so bad for the CFM. You you know that the
46:46
Speaker 5: stories just keep rolling out about the alleged conduct going on.
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Speaker 10: Where will this end?
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Speaker 1: Steve?
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Speaker 5: What's going to be the end game?
46:52
Speaker 10: Here?
46:53
Speaker 5: Just seems to be getting worse and worse and worse.
46:55
Speaker 1: Bare labor politicians still keeping their head, putting their head
46:59
Speaker 1: in a hole of saying, oh, we can see nothing
47:01
Speaker 1: to see here, our I'll mate. Daniel Andrews Terry, I
47:04
Speaker 1: read today that he's got himself a new job with
47:08
Speaker 1: the Pratt Foundation, well with Pratt Industries busy Well.
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Speaker 15: Richard Pratt knows all about Anthony Pratt, fat Pratt family
47:18
Speaker 15: knows all about paper.
47:20
Speaker 1: Money is paper these so it used to be.
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Speaker 15: But look, Daniel Andrews's Premier Victoria is good at chiseling
47:26
Speaker 15: money out of Victorian taxpayers for so long. So if
47:28
Speaker 15: he wants to apply his skills to getting it out
47:30
Speaker 15: of mister Pratt or any other businessman, no good.
47:33
Speaker 14: Luck to him.
47:34
Speaker 1: Well, so I think Scott Morrison's got the same job.
47:37
Speaker 1: So he's hired both sides of the fence.
47:39
Speaker 5: It's really It's very interesting, isn't it, Steve. But we
47:43
Speaker 5: know that Daniel Andrews has had a relationship with the
47:46
Speaker 5: Pratt family. I mean, look, he's out of the top
47:48
Speaker 5: job in Victoria. I suppose he's got to get a
47:51
Speaker 5: job at some point. I know he's got that parliamentary pension,
47:53
Speaker 5: but he's on his mary Way. I mean, this is
47:56
Speaker 5: good work if you can get it.
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Speaker 1: Twenty four thousand dollars to fix the graffiti on the
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Speaker 1: Flinders Street clock. I've written a column about this for
48:02
Speaker 1: The Herald's Undermorrow, Melbourne. I'm sure you too would agree.
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Speaker 1: Covered in graffiti everywhere.
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Speaker 5: Everywhere and really bad, Steve when people come into the town.
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Speaker 5: I'm sure Terry would agree. You know it looks grubby.
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Speaker 1: It does.
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Speaker 15: But on the other hand, I would like to see
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Speaker 15: the Victorian government actually focus on getting the trains to run.
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Speaker 1: On time, absolutely right. Graffiti is a real curse and
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Speaker 1: I have written a column about that coming up after
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Speaker 1: me Andrew Boulders back tonight. I'm going to be very
48:29
Speaker 1: interested to see that story that Sophie brought to us
48:31
Speaker 1: there exactly what's going to come out of those nine
48:33
Speaker 1: newspapers tomorrow and what impact it will have on their
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Speaker 1: Olympic coverage. Andrew's up next,