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Mini: My, What Big Holes You Have · Why We Do What We Do

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Why we do what we do? Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Why we do what we do. Many I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host Abraham and I'm your host Shane. We are a
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  Speaker 1: psychology podcast. We talk about the things that humans and
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  Speaker 1: non human animals do and sometimes the things that they
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  Speaker 1: do to themselves for decorative fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for fun and profit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So today we are talking about specifically, we are talking
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  Speaker 3: about gauging or stretching, which talks about specifically in the
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  Speaker 3: context in the context of piercing, gauging or stretching a
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  Speaker 3: hole that is pierced to make it a bigger hole.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, for those of you who have seen those people
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  Speaker 1: walking around with giant pieces of jewelry stretching their ear
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  Speaker 1: lobes out, this is actually not unique to ear lobes.
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  Speaker 1: They will gauge many different parts of the body when
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  Speaker 1: they pierce them, that's true. But earlobes are one of
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  Speaker 1: the most visible and most common that you will see.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, those those large, often open holes that are
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  Speaker 1: gaping in their ears are called gauges are because they're
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  Speaker 1: gauged ears, meaning that they and the gauge refers to
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  Speaker 1: the circumference of the hole and specifically in piercing, it
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  Speaker 1: refers to the circumference of the needle. So yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: numbers are actually a little confusing. The higher the number,
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  Speaker 1: the smaller the needle. So like a twenty gauge needle
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  Speaker 1: is a very fine needle and would produce a very
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  Speaker 1: very small hole. Most piercings, for like ear rings, are
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  Speaker 1: a sixteen gauge or a fourteen. Sixteen is probably more common.
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  Speaker 1: Sixteen actually eighteen, there is another common one that you'll see.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, point is that we dug into content so
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  Speaker 1: fast we needed I skipped way ahead. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: You're good.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about piercings. We're talking about holes. My, what
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  Speaker 1: big holes you have? And if you're joining us for
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  Speaker 1: the first time, welcome. I'm not usually this rambly. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think no, you're good. Maybe more in the context
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  Speaker 1: of like in the episode, but usually up front I'm
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  Speaker 1: more structured. But this is a mini which means we
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  Speaker 1: do a short dive into a topic and then we
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  Speaker 1: get out of there. It's just a quick, hopefully fifteen
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  Speaker 1: minute thing. We release this on Mondays. We have full
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  Speaker 1: I'll talk more about that at the end of this discussion.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the preamble stuff I need.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that covers it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a phrase that I've heard a.
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  Speaker 3: Few times in my life, especially early when I was
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  Speaker 3: stretching my ears, and it was those will never close up.
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  Speaker 3: So anybody who here who's ever seen somebody with gauges
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  Speaker 3: or has them, you know that this is kind of
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  Speaker 3: what happens, right, Like people are going to be like,
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  Speaker 3: why would you do that?
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  Speaker 2: Yep, those will never close up.
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  Speaker 3: So today we are going to talk about big holes,
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  Speaker 3: specifically low holes or maybe other body part holes, but
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  Speaker 3: not like you know, natural occurring holes, So don't be
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  Speaker 3: gross about this. We we're talking about like specifically, a
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  Speaker 3: piercing process that involves stretching the hole that is pierced.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yes, okay, cool, very good. I think we're ready
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  Speaker 1: to jump into it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go all right.
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  Speaker 1: So stretching specifically refers to a deliberate practice and body piercing.
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  Speaker 1: And to be fair, there are actually other stretching practices
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  Speaker 1: in the world that don't involve piercing directly, Like there's
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  Speaker 1: lip stretching and next stretching, and we should probably tackle
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  Speaker 1: those because they are interesting cultural things that like have
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  Speaker 1: specific meaning. But as far as this discussion, we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about stretching and body piercing in which there is a
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  Speaker 1: healed piercing operative phrase healed, you pierce it. The pierced
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  Speaker 1: skin will eventually heal around the jewelry and then once
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  Speaker 1: it is healed, then you stretch that skin to accommodate
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  Speaker 1: jewelry of a larger size.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so this is different than something like a dermal punch.
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  Speaker 3: Dermal punches are used when there's cartilage in the places
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  Speaker 3: piercing that there's piercing. So like, for those of you
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  Speaker 3: who don't know, the piercer punched a hole in the
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  Speaker 3: body part where the cartilage is formed, like in your
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  Speaker 3: upper ear. Like the needle they'll use is usually hollow
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  Speaker 3: to like remove that small part of skin, but like
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  Speaker 3: sometimes they'll do it for bigger piercings as well, Like
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  Speaker 3: they're like it's essentially like a whole punch for your skin.
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  Speaker 1: It basically is, and in my experience, much more painful.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and that is not what we're talking about here today.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about stretching.
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  Speaker 1: Stretching specifically, yes, all right, So for anyone who stretches
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  Speaker 1: their ear lobes, they may use the jewelry available comes
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  Speaker 1: in a variety of materials, which is also true for
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  Speaker 1: like standard jewelry, but the range is actually a little
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  Speaker 1: bit greater once you get into the stretched space. So
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  Speaker 1: you've got a jewelry made of bone, horn, wood, stone,
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  Speaker 1: metal glass, acrylic, metal glass and acrolic were more recent developments,
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  Speaker 1: and the ear stretching world. A lot of my earlier gauges,
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  Speaker 1: which both of us have gauged ears or had you
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  Speaker 1: had mine, are still gauged, yes, and to the same size.
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  Speaker 1: Even I had wood for a lot of mine, but
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  Speaker 1: I've also had metal for quite a few of mine.
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  Speaker 1: But that is one of the newer ones.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I preferred my wood ones. I thought the wood
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  Speaker 3: ones were really nice and they also didn't smell as bad.
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  Speaker 1: So a thing about stretching.
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing, that's the thing that people don't know about.
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  Speaker 3: You clean them regularly because they do catch a smell.
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  Speaker 3: But I liked I really liked my wooden ones when
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  Speaker 3: I had them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the wood ones are nice.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, the reason I took mine out is because I
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  Speaker 3: was wearing metal ones that were funnels and a kid
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  Speaker 3: put his fingers in the holes during a session during
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  Speaker 3: a crisis, and he was able to hook his fingers
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  Speaker 3: in and almost pulled my ears off with my because
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  Speaker 3: I wore the wrong earrings that day.
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  Speaker 1: So sure, lots of Hollywood treatment has tried to do
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  Speaker 1: that where they they love hooking pierced people to things
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  Speaker 1: then pulling on those piercings. Yeah, they did that in
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  Speaker 1: the recent Final Destination movie.
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  Speaker 2: They did that.
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  Speaker 1: Saw movies they've done this in various points where they
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood loves pulling on stretched body parts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, or like pulling on piercings.
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  Speaker 3: Like I forget what movie, I forget what movie it is,
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  Speaker 3: but there's some big guy, uh and they're about to
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  Speaker 3: fight and then somebody just rips his nipple ring out
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  Speaker 3: and it's like that was the end of the fight.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like maybe mel Gibson did that in
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  Speaker 1: the movie Payback, where there was like a septum piercing,
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  Speaker 1: just ripped it out.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds right, Yeah, that sounds right.
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  Speaker 1: I could be making that up, but that's that's my
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  Speaker 1: my recollection is that there was like a movie where
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  Speaker 1: that happened. But again, they they think it's so funny
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  Speaker 1: in Hollywood to rip people's piercings out. They're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there's a read we're gonna get using.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like okay, yeah yeah, I was like, all right, anyway,
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  Speaker 3: here's an ad for earrings.
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  Speaker 1: We're back, all right. So the sizing, as I mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: follows the American wire system, where each size is a
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  Speaker 1: certain gauge. This is where the term gauge comes from.
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  Speaker 1: People reference gauges or gauged ears are referring to the
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  Speaker 1: size of their holes. The smaller the number of the
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  Speaker 1: larger the hole, until you get down to zero. Then
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  Speaker 1: they start measuring it in fractions of an.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, So for those of you for context,
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  Speaker 3: I'll probably mention it again later, but like somebody like
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  Speaker 3: somebody with a zero gauge's about the ratis.
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  Speaker 2: Of a pencil or the circumbers of a pencil. So
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  Speaker 2: like that's probably just to give you like an idea. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: circference circumference is what I meant.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, So stretch here specifically began to like really become
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  Speaker 3: popular in the early two thousands with the onset of
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  Speaker 3: this like kind of punk emo boom that occurred with
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  Speaker 3: the MySpace generation. So on any given day, you could
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  Speaker 3: walk outside and catch a swoopy haired MySpace kid with
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  Speaker 3: holes the size of golf balls in their ears and
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  Speaker 3: think to yourself, why.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, So let's answer that question, because this was not
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  Speaker 1: something that emerged as a result of Newfound Glory showing
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  Speaker 1: up on TRL, which, for those of you who were
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  Speaker 1: born after the nineties stands for Total Request Live, which
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  Speaker 1: was back when MTV played music videos. Uh, they would
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  Speaker 1: do this like countdown of like top ten music videos
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  Speaker 1: and eventually that they'd play like fifteen seconds of a
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  Speaker 1: video and then move on to the next one. But yeah, anyway,
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  Speaker 1: that was the thing that happened for a while.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, surprise, this is a deep dive on TRL. So
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna get a history on Carson Daily. So this
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  Speaker 3: is this is this is my way to get in.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking about this off off Mike, but we
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  Speaker 1: should probably dive into some like weird nineties stuff. There
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  Speaker 1: was so much weird stuff that happened in the nineties,
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  Speaker 1: though it's so unique to the nineties.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, how do you explain collect call to anybody?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And as you mentioned off Mike, miss cleo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Psychic Readers Network.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: So let's talk though, because again, this idea of gauging
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  Speaker 3: your ears and stretching your ears is not a new thing.
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna go, We're gonna do get.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna give you a little history. So first let's
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  Speaker 3: start with Atsi the Iceman.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually pronounced Utsi, Utsi.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, Utsi the ice Man. As far as
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  Speaker 3: I know, I forgot that there's an umlaut. There's like
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  Speaker 3: an umlaut over.
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  Speaker 1: The oh I believe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So Utzi the Iceman is the first known account
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  Speaker 3: of stretched years. This frozen mummy day back to thirty
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  Speaker 3: three hundred BCE and is actually the first known example
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  Speaker 3: of body modification in human history.
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  Speaker 1: Tubular literally tubular of note, his ears were stretched to
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  Speaker 1: a zero gauge, which, as we mentioned, is about the
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  Speaker 1: circumference of a pencil. Ancient Egypt also saw gauged ear jewelry.
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  Speaker 1: King Tut himself had stretched lobes not quite as big
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  Speaker 1: as as Utsi's what a poser.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, King Tut's just appropriating that culture. It's funny when
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  Speaker 3: you think about it, because Egypt. It's funny when you
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  Speaker 3: think about That's the thinker's joke, folks. That's a history joke, folks.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: It is believed that the Etruscan culture saw body modification
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  Speaker 3: as a form of status and would often use body
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  Speaker 3: modification that includes not just piercings, but scarring as well
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  Speaker 3: to display status and wealth.
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  Speaker 1: And examples of body modification persist throughout the ancient Greeks, Olemechs, Mayans, Mochi, Incans, Aztecs, Japan, Korea, Opia,
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  Speaker 1: and India. Specifically, the Buddha. Portrayals of royalty, gods and
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  Speaker 1: deities often also showcased elaborate jewelry and various forms of
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  Speaker 1: body modification, including stretched ear lobes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, stretch to ear lobes are pretty common across multiple cultures.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the Buddha, Like you see traditional depictions of
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  Speaker 3: the of the Buddha, and his ears are stretched pretty big.
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  Speaker 3: He's got like they're like two.
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  Speaker 1: Inches, like two inch. Yeah, I was just saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're huge.
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  Speaker 2: They're huge.
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  Speaker 3: Now, in the case of the Mayans, they would actually
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  Speaker 3: use beautiful, elaborate jewelry made of jade. And I saw
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  Speaker 3: some of the pictures of the jade like earrings that
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  Speaker 3: they would use. They were absolutely gorgeous, nice, and they
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  Speaker 3: were usually used for high class men. A really good
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  Speaker 3: example of this is like in Wakanda Forever, the Atlanteans. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like they were modeled after mind culture, and like the
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  Speaker 3: earrings and the jewelry that they would use is actually
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  Speaker 3: pretty accurate to what you would see.
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  Speaker 2: That color, that shape, that was actually something they pulled
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  Speaker 2: a lot from.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: So the high classmen would use j often, but the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the members of the society might use shells, wood, copper, bone,
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  Speaker 3: or stone to do the same type of thing, but
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  Speaker 3: with different materials.
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  Speaker 1: For the mercy women m RSI and Ethiopia. Gauged ears
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  Speaker 1: and stretched lips also hold social significance, where those with
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  Speaker 1: greater modifications hold a higher status and respectability compared to
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  Speaker 1: others who might like not even be allowed to go
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  Speaker 1: up a size unless you had sort of earned it.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, be potentially how that might be viewed
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  Speaker 1: and seen. So that's a bit of history there, and
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  Speaker 1: we've talked a little bit about it. As we said,
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  Speaker 1: gauges can actually happen in multiple body parts. I have
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  Speaker 1: seen gauged tongues where they pierce the tongue and then
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  Speaker 1: stretch that hole. I have seen gauged nostrils, lips, I
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  Speaker 1: have seen gauged lips, yep. I have seen just a variety.
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  Speaker 1: I think we can probably stop there. Other cartilage, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually a whole bunch of the cartilage doesn't stretch,
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  Speaker 1: but skin stretches fairly well for people who ask and
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  Speaker 1: they wonder how you do it. Essentially, as we mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: is like you start at a sort of very small
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  Speaker 1: size and once that heals, you put in a slightly
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  Speaker 1: larger size, and for the most part, if you're doing
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  Speaker 1: it right, you barely notice. Like it's like a little
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  Speaker 1: tender maybe, and you sort of feel like it feels
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  Speaker 1: a little bit taut and a little bit like it's
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  Speaker 1: like it has been stretched and it's just being held
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  Speaker 1: in that position. But then it just stops and then
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of back to normal. And then once that
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  Speaker 1: is it's fully settled, and like it doesn't hurt or anything,
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  Speaker 1: and it's sort of it's just sitting now at that
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  Speaker 1: new stage. Then you increase it just a little tiny
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  Speaker 1: bit more and so over time you just slowly, slowly
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  Speaker 1: stretch a little tiny tiny bit, wait for it to heal,
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  Speaker 1: and once it's fully healed, then do it again. And
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  Speaker 1: if you don't do that, you can get something called
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  Speaker 1: a blowout yep, or it'll basically reverse the the inside
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  Speaker 1: and outside of the stretch of your ear lobe, and
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  Speaker 1: it looks like you have like two ear lobes.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's usually looks a little pink and irritated and
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't look good. So that's that's essentially the method.
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  Speaker 1: Because people have asked and they're like, oh, you just
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  Speaker 1: punch a hole in your ear mike. You technically could, but.
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  Speaker 2: No, yeah, you do it slow and over time slow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes like to get to a large size
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  Speaker 1: that is years of like slowly increasing. Also, if you
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  Speaker 1: go too fast, you can tear. Tears will make it
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  Speaker 1: so that you possibly can't stretch anymore. Depending on the
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  Speaker 1: kind of tear then can make it so it takes
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  Speaker 1: a very long time to heal. So you really want
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  Speaker 1: to go very slow on those.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, but why would you do this at all? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Why would you do this at all?
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  Speaker 3: Like and I and I have heard that question so
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  Speaker 3: many times from my family because, like we mentioned before,
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  Speaker 3: we both have gauged ears, but like mine, I took mine.
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  Speaker 2: Now I still have holes, like you can still see
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  Speaker 2: through my ear lobes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so right now, I would say they are probably
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  Speaker 3: about a size two gauge. Like I could probably put
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  Speaker 3: a size two gauge earing in my ear and that's
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  Speaker 3: been where it's been at for the last like ten
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  Speaker 3: twelve years or so. Okay, Yeah, So modern versions of
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  Speaker 3: stretching and like gauge and stuff, they don't hold the
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  Speaker 3: same kind of status that we know historically. Right, if
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  Speaker 3: you're not talking about royalty, you're not talking about social status.
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  Speaker 2: But they do play a social role.
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  Speaker 3: So like when we were up, if you saw somebody
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  Speaker 3: with gauged ears, you could actually come pretty close to
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  Speaker 3: pinpoint and the kind of music they listened to, you'd
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  Speaker 3: be like, oh, I know what you listen to, Like
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  Speaker 3: I know that you. I know that you went to
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  Speaker 3: warp tour at least once, right, Like you could do that,
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  Speaker 3: Like I would say, in the early two thousands.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I think that's less.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that's I think gauge ears has become
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  Speaker 3: kind of like more prevalent in other areas. I've seen
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  Speaker 3: it in, like I'm going to talk in like versions
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  Speaker 3: of like specifically music genres, Like I've seen this in
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  Speaker 3: punk and hardcore, but in metal, but I've also seen
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  Speaker 3: this now in hip hop. I've seen this in like as,
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  Speaker 3: I've seen a couple of country musicians that have had this.
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  Speaker 3: You see this in like lots of different spaces that
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  Speaker 3: are very different than kind of where it emerged, like
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  Speaker 3: in the punk community. So it's really interesting to see
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  Speaker 3: how normal it is compared to when we were kids
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  Speaker 3: and it was like everybody was like, oh, what are
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  Speaker 3: you doing. So now it's like a very normal, normal thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, much less stigmatized than it once was. Yeah, in
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  Speaker 1: the United States, this is mostly done for social and aesthetic,
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  Speaker 1: which is social reasons simply put, people think it looks cool. Yeah, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the social circles I ran in people had gauged ears.
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  Speaker 1: So it was kind of like it was a thing
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  Speaker 1: that we did that we liked the way it looked,
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  Speaker 1: and we sort of liked we talked about it with
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  Speaker 1: each other, and it was just kind of a thing
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  Speaker 1: and it's really not to me super different from people
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  Speaker 1: who were like super in a motocross or something like.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing they like to do with their friends,
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  Speaker 1: they talk about and that's the thing that leaves them
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  Speaker 1: with tremendous horrible scars that sometimes kills them. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: engage deers didn't kill anybody, but anyway, point being that,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: like that was definitely a part of it. There was
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: also a little bit of an experience they had that
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, I would have never at the time
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: that I started, I was like, it's weird that I
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: can do that to my body. I'm like kind of
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: see what else I can do? And then it was like,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: it's interesting that I made this change, and this change
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: just stays in that way, and so like there's this
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: sort of this discovery exploring experience of it that's sort
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: of like, what how do these things work? How can
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: I push them to their limits a little bit? Like yeah,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: and just to seeing things that feel like they're immutable
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: start to change is kind of a novel And that
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: was just something that also intrigued me a little bit,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: and so part of the reason I liked the idea
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: of body modification. Yeah, back when I was younger.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: I liked it because my parents told me I couldn't
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: do it, Like they were like they told me I
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: couldn't dye my hair or anything like that, and I
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: was like, Okay, I'll just get my ear pierced. I'd
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: always wanted my ear pierce I had. I had my
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: I think I had my left ear pierce when I
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: was like maybe in fifth grade, yeah, And then in
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: sixth grade I was like, oh, like I can get
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: a second earring. So I went and got my second
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: ear pierce, and then I started stretching probably I would
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: say ninth grade, yeah, and then so by like tenth
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: or eleventh grade, I had I had the five eighths
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: inch so, which was like the size that kept for
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: a long time. But what I really enjoyed was like
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: like because I had a buddy who gave me free
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: jewelry all the time, so like I would always go
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: get like which was at the time very expensive. Now
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: it's very very cheap, much cheaper than it used to be.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: My favorite was like excess rising. Sure, Like I went
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: to prom and I had a blue tie, and I
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: made sure that my plugs matched and they were the
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: same color blue, and so like my plugs matched by
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: tie and I was like, so like when I where
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: I do that?
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is fun.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I like this so styles stop style baby.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Yep, that was me.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I was I was Harry and I was stylish.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: All right. There's actually a lot more to talk about
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: that'd be really fun, but we are running along for
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: this being a minute, so we're gonna go ahead and
• 17:15
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• 17:43
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• 17:48
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• 17:51
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• 17:53
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• 17:56
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• 17:59
  Speaker 1: so it's true and the hierarchy of things, there is
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Justin and then there is us.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: And there's Justin, there's everything else.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: There's Justin, then there's everything else. Yeah, all right, I
• 18:08
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• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Anything that you would like to add or that I
• 18:12
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• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Nope, not today, all right.
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