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ChakaBars EXPOSES South Africa’s Xenophobia Wave — Debunking the Diaspora Wars · Earn Your Leisure

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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the diaspora wars. We never really got
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  Speaker 1: into that on this show, but there's a thing called
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  Speaker 1: diaspora wars on social media where yeah, it's a diaspora
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  Speaker 1: wars Black Americans versus Africans, Africans versus Black Americans, Nigerians
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  Speaker 1: versus South Africans. It's a whole thing. It's a whole
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  Speaker 1: thing going on right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like the diaspora wars are mythological.
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  Speaker 2: I think that they only really exist on social media
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  Speaker 2: until you have recently people trying to boycott businesses, which
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  Speaker 2: didn't work.
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  Speaker 3: It actually just got more support for the businesses in America.
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  Speaker 2: In the Americas, I think on the continent there is
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  Speaker 2: some legitimate issues. It's always interesting how the South Africans
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  Speaker 2: that have issues with Nigerians and Somalis and Ethiopians, et cetera,
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  Speaker 2: they never have the same smoke for the for the
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  Speaker 2: Ernia white only towns and those type of things.
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  Speaker 1: But we do love South Africa about our way, so
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  Speaker 1: we do, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the aspora wars are essentially just like
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  Speaker 2: a a exacerbation of points sol pro If you look
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  Speaker 2: at organizations like bright Bart, they have first they have
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  Speaker 2: their bots, but then they have agents that.
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  Speaker 3: They pay to sow the seeds of distrust.
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  Speaker 2: And they pay to sow the seeds of disassociation between
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  Speaker 2: black people because everybody kind of just forgets history. We're
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  Speaker 2: living in twenty four hour feed life right now rather
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  Speaker 2: than living in the real life, which is actually in
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  Speaker 2: the sixties. In the seventies, Cointsi Pro was created to
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  Speaker 2: try and create the.
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  Speaker 3: Asper wars that never existed before as well.
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  Speaker 2: And I think you know you're not hearing Nigeria getting
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  Speaker 2: shot by black Americans or Nigerians shooting black Americans, like
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  Speaker 2: black Americans are shooting Black Americans and Nigerians are shooting
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  Speaker 2: Nigerians in Nigeria. I don't think that the DSPOR wars
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  Speaker 2: is a legitimate war as much as it is.
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  Speaker 3: As much as it said that it is on social media.
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  Speaker 3: And also sorry about the beeping.
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  Speaker 2: And also the people who are perpetuating these wars and
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  Speaker 2: these narratives also are benefiting from them.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we have to remember. They are they are
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  Speaker 3: masquerading as.
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  Speaker 2: As patriots, American patriots or masquerading as Nigerian patriots or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But the reality is that the people who are who
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  Speaker 2: are going the hardest and leading the lamps to the
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  Speaker 2: slaughter essentially are the same people who are also the
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  Speaker 2: ones who have the trademark, the ones who hold the meetups,
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  Speaker 2: the ones who hold the holidays, the ones who hold
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  Speaker 2: the cookouts, et cetera, et cetera, under this banner or
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  Speaker 2: these guys of whatever it is.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, well, all right, cool, Well, then have the.
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  Speaker 2: Same smoke for Koreans, have the same smoke for Chinese,
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  Speaker 2: have the same smoke for Indians, have the same smoke
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  Speaker 2: for white supremacists.
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  Speaker 3: I don't see y'all come in, you know, and.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to find the KKK the same way that you're
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  Speaker 2: trying to come and find in Nigerian's on Twitter, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So I just don't think that it really holds legitimacy.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that it's one of those things like
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  Speaker 2: cancel culture. In order to cancel somebody, you have to
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  Speaker 2: have the power to cancel them, right, So, like when
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  Speaker 2: you have somebody who's got TikTok or whatever and they're like, right,
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  Speaker 2: all black Americans, You're going to cancel this person. It's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: do you own the distribution? Do you own the social
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  Speaker 2: media platforms.
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  Speaker 3: Do you own any of.
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  Speaker 2: The modalities in which you could cancel somebody? No, you don't,
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  Speaker 2: You're just talking. So I think it's a lot of talk,
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot of hot air, and we just need
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  Speaker 2: to as progressive black people, we just need to shut
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  Speaker 2: it down every time we see we just said no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: we're not doing that. We're building the c noan no, no,
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  Speaker 2: we're not doing that. We're building a tech company. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it'll go away.
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  Speaker 1: How do we offset the use of technology to create
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  Speaker 1: that dissension, to create more peace or more alignment within
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  Speaker 1: the community.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I've been on Instagram now for fourteen years
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  Speaker 3: or fifteen years since.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty eleven, I think I started my account, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if I can use expleteves on the show.
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  Speaker 2: But there used to be a whole meme factory that
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  Speaker 2: was being spit out by racist and when we identified it,
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  Speaker 2: we shut it down.
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  Speaker 3: And it was it was saying N would be like
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  Speaker 3: and B would be like.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember that, but there was
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  Speaker 2: this whole negroes be like and then women be like,
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  Speaker 2: but in a derogatory fashion, and it was just the
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  Speaker 2: most racist xenophone, big sexists.
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  Speaker 3: Just horrible stuff, right.
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  Speaker 2: And we actually flipped down its head and we started
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  Speaker 2: a natural hair movement.
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  Speaker 3: We started the melanin movement.
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  Speaker 2: We started a bunch of things that were self love
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  Speaker 2: movements at a time when nobody was talking about.
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  Speaker 3: That on social media. People were using social media to
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  Speaker 3: take pictures of food and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't about what it is now.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't a business at the time, right, So it
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  Speaker 2: was it was a brand new thing where people use
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  Speaker 2: for creative expressions. So what myself and a group of
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  Speaker 2: other accounts, some of them have been deleted, some of
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  Speaker 2: them are still there and going shrunk did is.
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  Speaker 3: We We had.
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  Speaker 2: Many meetings almost like it was almost like a social
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  Speaker 2: media think tank, and we basically said, all right, cool,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to put out this message for a month,
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  Speaker 2: and then the next month we're going to put out
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  Speaker 2: this message. And we started with love your skin, Love
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  Speaker 2: your Hair. We also did love your culture, and we
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  Speaker 2: kind of went from the brand of melanin and the
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  Speaker 2: brand and of you know, love blackness to actually getting
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  Speaker 2: down into niche anthropology where we were talking about people
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  Speaker 2: from Istwatini, We were talking about people from Congo, We're
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  Speaker 2: talking about people from Sudan, we were talking about people
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  Speaker 2: from Nigeria, we were talking about people from Mali, Senegal,
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  Speaker 2: speaking about the wall off people and like, as far
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  Speaker 2: as as far as I'm concerned, it was one of
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  Speaker 2: my eldest said this to me many years ago when
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  Speaker 2: there was this racist guy who created this. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you're aware, but in the sixties, in the fifties,
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  Speaker 2: in the forties, there were these human zoos right where
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  Speaker 2: they used to go and get Africans from Congo, from Senegal,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera, bring them into France, bring them into Brussels,
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  Speaker 2: bring them into various places and basically put them next
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  Speaker 2: to monkeys and feed them and have people feed them, right.
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  Speaker 2: And so this guy decided to do a art exhibition,
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  Speaker 2: which our exhibition.
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  Speaker 3: Where they basically put Africans in the same.
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  Speaker 2: Human zoo position, but he called it art right, and
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  Speaker 2: so we had to go and shut that down.
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  Speaker 3: We had to fight police. And the next day what
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  Speaker 3: happened was because wait, what that happened happened because.
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  Speaker 2: There was you know, there was a scene where a
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  Speaker 2: woman had just been essayed, and then that was an
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  Speaker 2: art scene and you would go in and watch how
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  Speaker 2: she's trying and all of this stuff. There was a
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  Speaker 2: scene where you know that someone was feeding an actor.
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  Speaker 2: He was an actor, but he was being fed by
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  Speaker 2: white people.
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  Speaker 3: And I was just like, no, no, no, we don't need
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  Speaker 3: any more disempowerment stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And the next day in the national paper there was
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  Speaker 2: a huh there was a message and it said black
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  Speaker 2: activists brandish drums because they brought that. We brought down
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  Speaker 2: the drums and we were banging the drums and you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was like a call to action. And and I
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  Speaker 2: said to one of my elders, I said, how are.
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  Speaker 3: The saying that you branded drum like it's a weapon.
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  Speaker 3: And he said, because they gave as the.
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  Speaker 2: Bible, they took away the drum. The drum can call
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  Speaker 2: something in your spirit that a book that's not of
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  Speaker 2: your people can't do anyway.