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Legally Brunette Presents: ’Til Death Do Us Part - Betty Broderick · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to our very first episode of Legally
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  Speaker 1: Brunette Presents Till Death Do Us Part. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: And today we'll be diving into the Betty Broderick case,
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, So let's get into Betty Broderick. I
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  Speaker 1: felt like Betty Broderick was the perfect husband wife case
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  Speaker 1: to get into because Psycho well that and because I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you follow true crime at all, A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people know the name Betty Broderick. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she's currently in prison. Let's talk about her. Elizabeth AM
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  Speaker 1: Broderick is known to the public as Betty Broderick, and
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  Speaker 1: she is an America mother of four who murdered her
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  Speaker 1: ex husband Daniel T. Broderick the Third and his new wife, Linda,
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  Speaker 1: back in nineteen eighty nine. The murders were an act
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  Speaker 1: of revenge after Daniel left Betty for his younger mistress, Linda.
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  Speaker 1: And also not only was she the younger mistress, but
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  Speaker 1: she was his paralegal.
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  Speaker 2: The assistant, his paralegal him in a number of ways.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and so he left Betty for Linda and ended
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  Speaker 1: up divorcing Betty. After the infidelity and divorce, Betty's rage
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  Speaker 1: led to harassment, stalking, and the destruction of their home
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  Speaker 1: and eventually murder. Betty wrote a memoir from prison in
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen called Telling on Myself, which presents her side
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  Speaker 1: of the story regarding her messy divorce, custody battles, and
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  Speaker 1: the psychological strain she claimed that she was under. So
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  Speaker 1: Betty Broderick was born in nineteen forty seven and raised
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  Speaker 1: in Westchester County of New York in a strict Catholic
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  Speaker 1: household with four siblings. She attended religious schools and later
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  Speaker 1: realized that she was raised to specifically become a housewife.
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  Speaker 1: After high school, she worked various jobs in modeling, retail,
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  Speaker 1: and restaurant work, and in nineteen sixty five she enrolled
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  Speaker 1: at the University of Mount Saint Vincent, studying English and
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  Speaker 1: early childhood education. So then she meets Dan Broderick while
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  Speaker 1: visiting Indiana for a Notre Dame football games. She was
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  Speaker 1: seventeen and he was in his early twenties. They reconnected
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  Speaker 1: later in New York City when Dan began medical school.
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  Speaker 1: See this is also interesting, and why I like this
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  Speaker 1: case so much is that Dan's very educated. And Dan
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  Speaker 1: not only becomes a lawyer, but he first he goes
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  Speaker 1: to medical school and actually, like I think he completes
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  Speaker 1: medical school, I hope so, and then no, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying he doesn't go to medical school for like a
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  Speaker 1: year and then say no, I'm not he.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't change mid No.
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  Speaker 1: I think he completes medical school and then goes to
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  Speaker 1: law school. So he's highly educated and spends a lot
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  Speaker 1: of time being educated, which means she was in the
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  Speaker 1: home taking care of children while he was out educating himself.
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  Speaker 1: So let's just remember that.
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  Speaker 2: And he was making a lot of money eventually.
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  Speaker 1: But not when he was in school. So they dated
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  Speaker 1: on and off during Betty's college years. Betty later described
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  Speaker 1: their compatibility, saying he was very ambitious, very intelligent, and
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  Speaker 1: very funny, and I am those three things. I love
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  Speaker 1: that she had said in We were from the same
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  Speaker 1: kind of background. We both wanted the same things in
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  Speaker 1: the future. Betty told the La Times all I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be was a mommy. He promised me the moon.
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  Speaker 1: The guy asked me to marry him every day for
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  Speaker 1: three years. Obviously this is just her account. We do
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  Speaker 1: not have Dan's rebuttal.
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  Speaker 2: So she said no and then kept dating them for
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  Speaker 2: three years. I said no, no, no, but I'll go
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  Speaker 2: on a date with you whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So then they get married. So after graduating, Betty
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  Speaker 1: worked as a teacher, and she and Dan married and
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  Speaker 1: began having children. They became parents to four children, Kim
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy, Lee, who was a girl in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy one, Daniel in nineteen seventy six, and Rhett in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. The family moved multiple times for Dan's
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  Speaker 1: education and career, including to Somerville, Massachusetts, where Betty later
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  Speaker 1: said their relationship worsened. Betty claimed that Dan took control
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  Speaker 1: over her finances. I don't know. Again, we don't have
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  Speaker 1: Dan's accounting of anything, so I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's going to be most of this. It's without
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  Speaker 2: his consent.
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  Speaker 1: During a difficult third pregnancy, their infant died shortly after birth.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think that's also significant to remember.
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  Speaker 2: Number, what number pregnancy or baby wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: It was her third pregnancy, an infant died shortly after birth.
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  Speaker 1: So after Dan graduated from Harvard Law School, the family
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  Speaker 1: relocated to San Diego. So again, not only did he
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  Speaker 1: go to law school, I didn't go to Harvard Law.
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  Speaker 1: I don't where did you go? Like it's hard, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't go to Harvard Law. I mean, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I could just say I did did you apply? No?
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  Speaker 2: I did, Well, then that's your say. I could have gone.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I'm going to say that. I'm start posting that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say, you know, I turned Harvard Law down.
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  Speaker 2: Harvard was knocking down.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't good enough for me. I just so, all right,
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  Speaker 1: Dan joined a law for So after he graduates from
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  Speaker 1: Harvard Law, the family is relocated to San Diego, and
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  Speaker 1: Dan joined a law first, then later started his own
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  Speaker 1: firm that focused on medical malpractice, which obviously, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you go to med school and then you go to
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  Speaker 1: Harvard Law. He has all this medical background.
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  Speaker 2: I was in law school and there was a surgeon
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  Speaker 2: in white class. Oh really Yeah, he wanted to do
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  Speaker 2: medical malpractice.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting, and I guess that's the perfect lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: That's a perfect education to do medical malpractice exactly. So
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  Speaker 1: the family became socially prominent once his practice gained notoriety,
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  Speaker 1: But despite the outward success, Betty later claimed that Dan
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  Speaker 1: was uninvolved at home and with the kids. Their children
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  Speaker 1: have explicitly stated that they witness frequent and intense arguments
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  Speaker 1: between them. According to People Magazine, their oldest daughter, Kim,
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  Speaker 1: spoke out on the matter. She claims that Mom was
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  Speaker 1: always kind of weird. Mom would get mad at Dad
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  Speaker 1: all the time. Once Mom picked up the stereo and
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  Speaker 1: threw it at him, and she locked him out constantly.
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  Speaker 1: He'd come around to my window. I thought this was funny.
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  Speaker 1: He'd come around to my window and was for Kim
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  Speaker 1: let me in. So I guess Betty was always locking
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  Speaker 1: him out. And I don't know. I guess they had
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  Speaker 1: a content. She locks him out and then.
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  Speaker 2: Out of the bedroom and now like knock him like
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  Speaker 2: they have a window.
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  Speaker 1: Now Kim out of the house. And then he's sneaking
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  Speaker 1: around to the daughter's bedroom and like knocking and saying,
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  Speaker 1: can you let me in the house.
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  Speaker 2: Another option would be to have a house key. Why
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  Speaker 2: didn't he have a house key?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that is that is a very good observation.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't learn that in school, did he?
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  Speaker 1: No? Med school, law school, never thought of that.
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  Speaker 2: He needs to be a smith.
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  Speaker 1: Kim continued. She was always getting all dressed up and
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  Speaker 1: at the last minute saying I'm not going, and she
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  Speaker 1: was always telling me they were getting a divorce. She'd say,
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  Speaker 1: who are you going to live with? I was dying
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  Speaker 1: for dad to divorce her. I'd say to dad, it
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  Speaker 1: just take me the day that you leave. That's so
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  Speaker 1: there's four children. That's one. I've read that that daughter
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  Speaker 1: it has more of a contentious relationship with her mom
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  Speaker 1: growing up.
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  Speaker 2: And it's the son that's a little bit more supportive
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  Speaker 2: of the mom.
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  Speaker 1: I think, right, So, you know, her account is that
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  Speaker 1: the mom is always crazy, and that the mom locked
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  Speaker 1: the dad out, and that she felt sorry for the dad,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, wherever the dad was going, she was
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  Speaker 1: going with him. So you know, but you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's also psychologically difficult for children. If you're constantly threatening
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  Speaker 1: divorce between the mom and the dad and telling the
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  Speaker 1: kids they are going to get divorced and then saying
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  Speaker 1: who would you want to live with? You know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's got to put kids in a state of psychological.
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  Speaker 2: Well and the well because she's saying it to him
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  Speaker 2: all the time, right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if she's saying it to him or
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  Speaker 1: she's just saying it to the children. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it comes back to me.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, their relationship is clearly contentious and they're
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  Speaker 1: fighting all the time, and he's getting locked out, and
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  Speaker 1: she's claiming that he could.
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  Speaker 2: Say to marry her for three years, right, So.
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  Speaker 1: That's what she says. So then in nineteen eighty two,
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  Speaker 1: this is the start of the affair that Dan has.
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  Speaker 1: So Dan Broderick met Linda Kolkana in the fall of
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two when he hired the twenty one year
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  Speaker 1: old former flight attendant as a legal assistant.
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  Speaker 2: She's twenty one and she's already ended her career as
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  Speaker 2: a flight attendant. Yees, so she was a flight attendan
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  Speaker 2: for like nine months.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but he hires her. Well, the question
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  Speaker 1: is why is he hiring a former flight attendant as
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  Speaker 1: a legal assistant?
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  Speaker 2: I read this because she was fully qualified.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's what you read. She's fully qualified, fully qualified? Right,
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  Speaker 1: So he hires a twenty one year old there's a problem, judge, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: twenty one year old former flight attendant. She is his
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  Speaker 1: new legal assistant. Yeah, so she has no legal background.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he needs help. He's been to school a lot,
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  Speaker 2: he's building a career, he's busy.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, So he needs a former flight attendant.
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  Speaker 2: This is a qualified worker.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and when they say former flight attendant, you know
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  Speaker 1: they're saying.
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  Speaker 2: They're trying to say, like she had to keep little
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  Speaker 2: alfast Lash looking good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's their way of saying she's attractive. Right,
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  Speaker 1: she's a former flight attendant.
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  Speaker 2: They used to say stewardess.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, kind of has a bad rap. Yeah. Betty suspected
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  Speaker 1: that there was a fair going on early.
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  Speaker 2: But Dan, she was like a bookkeeper. Would they say
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  Speaker 2: a former bookkeeper who like this article, Like when they
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  Speaker 2: when they talk about this former flight attendant, Yes, if
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  Speaker 2: she was a former bookkeeper or librarian, yes, they wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have said that.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. It's like it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: way to say that she's attractive.
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  Speaker 2: Former phone operator.
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  Speaker 1: Saying she's attractive. Right, They're just like, she's a former
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  Speaker 1: flight attendant. So in nineteen eighty five, three years after
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  Speaker 1: meeting Linda, Dan left the family home and filed for divorce.
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  Speaker 1: In June of nineteen eighty five, Betty allegedly vandalized the
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  Speaker 1: family home. According to court filing, she spray painted the furniture,
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  Speaker 1: broke windows, et cetera. You know, what, do you know
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  Speaker 1: that movie The War of the Roses. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: that movie.
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  Speaker 2: I never saw that movie.
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  Speaker 1: I think if you google it, it might say that
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  Speaker 1: that movie. Now that I think about it, that movie
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  Speaker 1: might have been modeled after Betty Broderick. Maybe there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of similarities. So in June of eighty five, Betty
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  Speaker 1: allegedly vandalized the family home, according to court filings, spray
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  Speaker 1: painting the furniture, breaking the windows, et cetera. That's what
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  Speaker 1: reminded me of the War of the Roses. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: because she ends up getting to the point where she
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  Speaker 1: vandalizes the entire home. Like they have this beautiful mansion
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  Speaker 1: with chandeliers and china, and they get to the point
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  Speaker 1: where it's so contentious, like they just tear apart the
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  Speaker 1: house and destroy the home. Anyway, that that's what it
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  Speaker 1: reminds me. She began dropping your children off at Dan's
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  Speaker 1: front doorstep, one by one with their belongings. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's got to be hard on a kid. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you have four children, your mom just drops you off
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  Speaker 1: on your dad's doorstep with your She's like pack your suitcase.
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  Speaker 1: You're getting dropped off at your dad's Yeah, Psycho Dan
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  Speaker 1: became the children's primary caretaker and later gained full custody.
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  Speaker 1: Betty described the legal fight as deeply unequal, comparing it
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  Speaker 1: to putting a housewife in the ring with Muhammad Ali.
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  Speaker 1: I think that she says that in her book. I
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  Speaker 1: do understand. I'm sure there was a huge disparity in
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  Speaker 1: the court system and the legal world between the two
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  Speaker 1: of them. You have a woman that was a housewife
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  Speaker 1: for the majority of her life. I think she worked
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  Speaker 1: as a teacher for a little bit. But you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about a man who makes a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: And I read that he a million dollars a year,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a lot of money. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: money today, it's a lot of money more money.
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  Speaker 1: Back then, so I'm saying, And he's also a well
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  Speaker 1: respected attorney that's dealing in medical malpractice, and he has
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  Speaker 1: these high end clients, and he's making a lot of money,
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  Speaker 1: and he has an established law firm.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like he needs an assistant.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, besides the assistant, it sounds like to me
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  Speaker 1: what drove her off the edge is not only the
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  Speaker 1: fact that he leaves her for a twenty one year
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  Speaker 1: old attractive younger.
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  Speaker 2: Stuck at home. But you know she's the housework.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I mean she took care of the kids.
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  Speaker 2: They should he should have gotten an all pair from
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  Speaker 2: Brazil to support.
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  Speaker 1: Her, right, exactly, That's what he should, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Could focus on his office job with his assistant.
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  Speaker 1: Right. But I'm back to my point. My legal point
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  Speaker 1: is that I'm sure there was a huge disparity. Not
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  Speaker 1: only had money.
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  Speaker 2: Here's how it is. He earns the money, but I
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  Speaker 2: truly believe it's half hers, right, especially as she put
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  Speaker 2: up with him for three years while he's proposing to
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  Speaker 2: her and goes to school and the school again and
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  Speaker 2: all that. So she was right there by his side.
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  Speaker 2: So it's fifty to fifty, right, But who's getting the
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  Speaker 2: actual paycheck? Him? So when they divorce or divorcing, he
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  Speaker 2: has control that Typically in this scenario, the male has
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  Speaker 2: control over the finances. He cannot give it to her.
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  Speaker 2: He can give it to her laid you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Like you have that control, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: he and most men use that right.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm also saying not only did he have a
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  Speaker 1: financial control, but I just mean in the legal realm home,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's friends with judges. Yeah, and I'm just
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  Speaker 1: saying there's a huge disparity between not only money but
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  Speaker 1: also power. And I'm sure I don't know, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure he was able to continue things, or he was
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  Speaker 1: able to push stuff to the side, or he was
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  Speaker 1: able to you know, I talking about the eighties and
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  Speaker 1: they were talking about family law court. And she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have money, and she's not that she's not as educated
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  Speaker 1: as him, and she doesn't have There's a complete imbalance
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  Speaker 1: of power and that's what pushed this woman over the edge,
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  Speaker 1: not only the twenty one year old former flight attendant,
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  Speaker 1: but also just not having any control over anything.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty six, Dan sold the family home using
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  Speaker 1: a legal process that allowed a judge to sign on
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  Speaker 1: Betty's behalf, claiming that she had refused to sign the
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: sale papers. This is per the La Times. See that's
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  Speaker 1: another thing. I don't know what the legal procedure is
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  Speaker 1: that allowed a judge to sign, but I assume it's
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  Speaker 1: because the papers. There probably was a core order that
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  Speaker 1: they sell the house and split the proceeds. I would
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  Speaker 1: assume that's something that happened. Yeah, and then she refused
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  Speaker 1: to sell to sign whatever it is that she needed
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  Speaker 1: to sign in order for them to put the house
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  Speaker 1: up for sale. Right, So then he's pushed to the
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  Speaker 1: point where he probably has to go X party right
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  Speaker 1: in front of a judge without her present present. I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I'm just saying maybe it
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  Speaker 1: was an emergency hearing, I don't know whatever, because she
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  Speaker 1: won't sign right. So then the judge signs on her
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  Speaker 1: behalf because they probably were able. I'll sign for you
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  Speaker 1: because I'm sure they were able to prove that they've
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  Speaker 1: done their due diligence, and they've tried numerous times.
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  Speaker 2: She's in contempts, resources have been exhausted, and now it's
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  Speaker 2: point where rights got to go.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So Betty experienced worsening depression as she continued to
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  Speaker 1: go through multiple legal losses. So she lost custody of
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  Speaker 1: the kids. There's a huge disparity and finances and the
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  Speaker 1: court system in general. Now the house is signed off,
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  Speaker 1: even though she was refusing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure she was signs.
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  Speaker 1: The twenty one year old, she spent time in jail
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  Speaker 1: for contempt of court and leaving threatening messages. I know
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  Speaker 1: they ended up recording her messages because she would just
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  Speaker 1: call and just.
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  Speaker 2: He got a restraining order against her.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: So in one incident, Betty drove her car into Dan's home,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: which he shared with their children, and was later hospitalized
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: for mental health evaluation.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: She locked him out. Yeah, so now he locked her out. Yes,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: he knocks on the window and she drives a car
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: through the door.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Betty and Dan's divorce was finalized four years later
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: in January of nineteen eighty nine. She lost custody of
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: the children. He ended up a full custody of the kids.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: But this is crazy to me. This is a lot
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: of money. She was awarded sixteen thousand dollars a month
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: in spousal support, but only twenty eight thousand dollars in cash,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: which means that whatever that sale of the home was
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: that the judge signed off on, she didn't get proceeds
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: of that house. And I'm not sure why.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why, because she should even if
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: she didn't, even if she was she should have, did
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: he does not give it to her? Maybe?
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I read it. I don't know
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: what the details were, but I read that she ended
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: up losing the proceeds of the house, like, he ended
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: up keeping all of the proceeds from the sale of
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: the house, and I don't know legally how he managed
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: to do that.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: He gave to his assistant.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: So then in nineteen eighty nine, Dan remarries. So in
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: April of nineteen eighty nine, Dan married Linda Kulkina, and
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: on November fifth of nineteen eighty nine, Betty received letters
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: rejecting her latest custody proposal and threatening further legal action
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: against her. Betty later wrote, obviously this is in her memoir.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I had to make it stop. I could not live
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: one more day like this. So this is the timeline.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: April of nineteen eighty nine, he remarries, Okay, so like
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: nine months later I.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Think he married. He married soon after the divorce was finalized.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was finalized. Well, it was finalized in
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: January of eighty nine, and then he remarries in April
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: of eighty nine. Yea, so three months later he's married, right,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: So it's not like they weren't fooling around while they
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: while he was still legally married, and then you know
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: they had a relationship after it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: It didn't develop in those three months, right.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: So clearly there was something going on for probably a
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: long period of time, but in so on November fifth,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, in the very early morning hours, Betty
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: claims she had initially planned to commit suicide, but instead
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: she drove to Dan and Linda's home, and have you
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: seen their home? It's a beautiful.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Stigo is like, I'm going to kill myself. No, you
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: know what, I'm going to kill them? I mean what
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I keep going? Sorry, Well, they.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Had have you seen photos of the home that he
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: had in San Diego with his new wife? No, I
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: mean they had a beautiful, big I mean this is
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: San Diego. So I mean it was like a big,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: beautiful colonial style home in San Diego. But his new
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: wife did not get to enjoy it very long because
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: it's we know what's going to happen. So Betty wrote,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Obviously I was not in my right mind. I wasn't
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: even in a crazy person's right mind. I was disassociating
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and imagining scenarios that could never come to pass. I
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: was no longer seeing or thinking clearly, this is what
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it feels like to go insane. I had I was.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: She entered using a key obtained from her daughter. But
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: see that's very part meditated, because.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also worse because it's like, mom's crazy, have
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: a restraining order, kids saying she's crazy. Oh, here, have
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: a key when you go back and forth to your
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: mom's out there, I wouldn't give them a key. So
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: you're saying I don't trust her.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Oh right. So you're saying, if you have an ex
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: wife that is exhibiting crazy behavior to get a restraining order,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: you would not give the children any house key.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I think that would cross my mind to not get it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, of course I'm reading this now and hearing
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: about now, and I'm not in the middle of it,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: but I kind of well, okay, how about this. As
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: a result of Betty, I've learned not to give my
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: key to you if we separate.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I love to see. This is why
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: we're doing till death do us part. It's really it's
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: really about taking knowledge away.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: What it's about building our relationship and ways around not kill.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Each other and preparing for the worse. So Betty entered,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: using a key obtained from one of the children. Betty
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: shot both victims while they were asleep. Linda was killed
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: instantly by two bullets, and Dan was fatally wounded in
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the chest. I know Dan was found on the floor.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: But they think what happened was she like when she
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: shot him the power or the whatever it's called, you know, power,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: the power like when she shot him and actually like
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: his body.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Actually he was shot then he fell off the bed.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: That's what they think. Yeah, I mean she went up
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: to their bedroom, stood over them and shot them while
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: they're asleep, and their bad.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: A few words then she shot them. So here we are.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Betty was held without bail. So during the nineteen she
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: goes a trial in nineteen ninety. So during the nineteen
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: ninety trials, she admitted to the shootings but argued that
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: they were not premeditated and were the result of long
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: term psychological abuse. Now here's the problem with the premeditation.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: She got a key, right, So that's where. And I
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: don't know what other facts are other things that she did,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: but to me, that's the factor that says that it
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: was premeditated. It's not a heat of the moment type
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: of situation.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Well, and the fact that she got in a car
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: and drove there, well she did. She got a lot
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: of things. I think it's the deliberation, like there was
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: a cooling off period that makes it truly like a
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: first degree. So if she got the key, thought about it,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: went and sat at a bar, told her friends, then
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: got in her car, went and got gas, like all
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: this downtime and then she does it, then it's definitely
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: first degree.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: So Betty stated during the trial, I am not going
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to turn around and say someone else did it or
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't do it. My lawyers hate it because there
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: was no law that says I can defend myself against
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: his type of onslaught. He was killing me, I.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Think she was. She claims he was mentally abusing her,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: and so she was defending herself against his mental abuse.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: It's like he wasn't physically harming me where I had
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: to stand up and shoot him. Yeah, Instead he was
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: hurting me with his words, and so I had to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: come to his house and kill him while he was sleeping.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not even hurting me with his words. It's
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: hurting me. It's it's the power struggle, and he had
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the power right. So he has custody of the kids,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: he has the money, he has the education, he has.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: The social status. He didn't say this, but when I
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: was researching it she she had a restraining order or
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: he had one, and she would violate it occasionally, you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: bringing the kids late, popping in when she wasn't supposed to,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: reaching out to him, whatever, and he started to find her.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: So it was like one hundred dollars.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, you mean, like taking it away from her spousal support.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Which is funny because he should know better. You can't
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: do that, right, But he would find her. And then
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: at one point, she claims at one point she got
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: a bill and she owed him money. She violated it
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: so much much that she was owing him spousal support.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't condone murder in any sense, but
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I think the point of this is the understanding of
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: how a woman who stayed at home took care of
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the kids while her husband became educated and went to
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: medical school and went to law school. And then when
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: he finally is on his own and practicing law and
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: graduated and is now reaping the rewards of all that education,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: he just immediately marries a twenty one year old and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: you know, and she doesn't get to have she'd put
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: all the time and effort in, she put the hard
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: work in. I'm not saying she's not crazy. The woman's crazy,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. But I understand why someone
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: snaps when they've put all the work and effort into
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: this relationship and taking care of the kids and being
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: there while he's in school and educating himself, and then
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: she reaps none of the rewards of it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Well, we don't know that she lives in a big house,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: she had kids, was taken care of.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm heymore, I know, but I'm saying, like,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like it was very long. You know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: she lost her social status, she lost you know, she
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: lost the big house. She can't maintain that, you know. So.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Testimony from her children and household staff painted conflicting pictures
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: of both parents. Lee Broderick, this is a daughter, testified
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that her father often spoke negatively about her mother and
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: could be intimidating at home. Kim Broderick also testified that's
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: another daughter, but described an unstable relationship with her mother.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: The family's housekeeper testified, stating that the two youngest children
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: were happy when they were with their mother, but became
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: frightened and silent around their father. The first trial ended
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: in a hung jury and mistrial. I think that's crazy.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: There is no doubt that the woman like drove to
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the house, pulled out a gun, and shot two people
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: in cold blood and she got a hung jury. That's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: how much well.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Hung jury because of what was only first degree on
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: the table. And so they said it wasn't first degree
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: because you should have alternative charges, right, like first degree,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: A man thought her or you should be prosecuting for
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the correct crime that they're most likely going to be
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: found guilty of, not some far reached crime of first
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: degree if it didn't meet all the elements.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but so anyway, her first trial ends in a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: hung jury and a mistrial. I would say, also it
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: has to do with I think people were sympathetic to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: her case.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I do, yeah, man, I can be sympathetic. You can't
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: be sympathetic, guy, I understand why she because.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: You're a man, so you're not sympathetic. I'm talking about
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: you put women on that jury that see a woman
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: scorned by a man who left her for a younger
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: woman and now has this amazing life with all this
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: money and making a million dollars a year with his
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: twenty one year old flight attendant, and that those women
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: are going to sympathize with.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Her, which means justify murder. Well, I know those women
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: are crazy too, and I would be worried about who
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: they're married to.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I know. But we've talked about juries before, and even
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: when we talked about Parkland case, there were people that said,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: no death penalty in it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: No, definitely, That's not like I can't convict him of
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: a crime.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: People didn't want to convict Wade Wilson because he was
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: good looking. I'm just saying people are true.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Is the juror the jury didn't want to there's some
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: jurors that didn't want to convict them.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there weren't. That's why they didn't pick the
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: death penalty. That's what that was their choices.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. Death penalty is different. That's that's
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: the punishment.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I understand that's the punishment. But I'm telling you, I
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: am sure people on that jury did not want to
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: give him the death penalty because he was a charming,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: good looking guy. I'm just saying you can be manipulated
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that way. So where is Betty now? Betty was eventually
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: convicted on two counts of second degree murder. Her sentence
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: was fifteen years to life twice plus two years for
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a firearm use. Betty was incarcerated in nineteen ninety in.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: The restraining order. That's she came to the house. That's
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: a violation of the restraining Yeah, I forgot that.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't forget that. That's not on the table. Maybe
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: they just they let that go. He was incarcerated in
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two at the California Institute for Women. Betty
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: has now remained in prison for over three decades. She
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: first became eligible for parole in twenty ten, but was denied.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Her children remained divided over her release. During Betty's twenty
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: ten parole hearing, the children continued to be split. While
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Lee testified that Betty should be able to live her
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: later life outside prison walls, her brother Dan Junior said
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: releasing a lost person into society could be a dangerous mistake.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Another parole attempt was in twenty seventeen, and it was
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: also denied. Prosecutors described Betty as being unrepentant, which means
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: she's not showing any kind of remorse at all. Betty
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: maintains that she was a victim of coercive control and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: domestic abuse. Betty is next eligible for parole in two
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: thousand and thirty two, and she will be eighty four.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: So we'll see if you have to be sure to
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: cover of that parole.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Hearrea, yes, we'll still be doing legally.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Run.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I haven't that well, I don't know if yes, that's right.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: We don't know. Again, the reason that we like to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: talk about these murders is to give our psa right,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: our public service announcement that divorce is always an alternative.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: And an alternative that's not illegal. Right, And also in
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: being incarcerated.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: We've had this discussion before too, where I talk about
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: how it's so much it's it's the intensity of revenge,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: but we really need to learn how to channel that
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: revenge into positive ways. So Betty really needed to take
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: all that intensity and hate and fuel, and she needed
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to She got sixteen thousand dollars a month in the eighties.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Like that is a lot of money. Betty could have
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: gotten herself up.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: But money's not everything you're making it like because she
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: got money, therefore she shouldn't be emotional.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: No, you didn't let me finish. I'm saying she has
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of money that she was getting. She needed
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: to get herself like a nice condo and join a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: gem and get herself together. Maybe she needed a little
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: freshen up, a little plastic surgery, and you know, I
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: don't know. She needed to make herself. She need to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: get a revenge body, she needs to get hot, she
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: needed to start dating, and she needed to move on
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: with her life. And now she's been incarcerated for thirty
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: years because her husband's a douchebag that left her for
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: a younger woman. And that is the end of my ransom.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Well, you're blaming him for getting to with the oarn woman,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: But then you're saying what she should do is all
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: superficial things. She has money, she should buy a house,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: she should look hot, she should be like that's all superficial.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: She was crazy, But.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I'm saying if she channeled that craziness into improving.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: This, we all do. Yeah. Yeah, you're right, if she
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: did that, that would have been better, exactly, And that
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: would be our advice to all the listeners. If you
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: want to murder your spouse, get a hobby.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: All right, let's just end this really quickly with where
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: are the broaderc children? Now? Oh yeah, several of the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Broderick children have since built lives of their own. Rht
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and his wife share two daughters, According to information published
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: by the Wood River Heights, where he has worked as
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a teacher since twenty sixteen. This is in Idaho. A
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty report from Vulture noted that Kim and Lee
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: those are the two daughters, were living in central Idaho
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: at the time, though their current whereabouts are not publicly confirmed,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and for the most part, the siblings have kept a
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: very low profile in recent years. One exception is Kim,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: who released a twenty fourteen memoir titled Betty Broderick My
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Mom The Kim Broderick Story. The book recounts her personal
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: journey and describes how she helped herself and her siblings
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: survive and triumph over the tragedy. So if anyone's interested
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: in reading more about Betty Brodrick. Also there is I
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's on Netflix anymore, but if you've
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: ever seen on Netflix, there is a series called Dirty John.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: And the first episode is actually about Dirty John. The
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: guy's name is John and this happened in Orange County.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: We should actually cover this case, right, And then they
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: did the one episode called Dirty John. But then they
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: did a second episode I believe on Betty Broderick. So
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about Betty Brodrick and
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you want to follow more of this story, I think
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: you can still find it on Netflix. It's called Dirty
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: John and it's called the Betty Broderick Story. So anyway,
• 31:12
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• 31:15
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• 31:19
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• 31:25
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• 31:30
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