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Mac & Bone Show - Frank Garcia Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: But right now, let's focus a little bit on the
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  Speaker 1: Panthers post-Thursday night, post, you know, the thoughts about firing
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  Speaker 1: Avero and passing game coordinator Jonathan Cooley. Todd Walsh, the
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  Speaker 1: D-line coach, will now be the D.C. Let's talk through
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  Speaker 1: some of this stuff. I know Frank Garcia has opinions
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  Speaker 1: on it and obviously knows ball, having played so many
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  Speaker 1: years in the NFL, including here.
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  Speaker 2: In Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: And of course his years here talking about it on WFNZ,
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  Speaker 1: Frank Garcia is with us on the Mac and bone show.
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  Speaker 2: Frank, how you been, man? What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing good guys. Hope you're doing well. Uh, every
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  Speaker 3: week's a good week when the Panthers aren't playing, they
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  Speaker 3: can't lose.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to, you know, the conversation, but, uh,
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully they can figure things out because right now they're
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  Speaker 3: spiraling a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt, no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so what did you think of the firing of
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  Speaker 1: Jiro Avero? Was it justified, and do you think that
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  Speaker 1: it can make a big difference, or do you think
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  Speaker 1: it's really not going to change anything until we get healthy?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think a little bit of both. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: obviously the Panthers' offensive line is struggling right now with
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  Speaker 3: you know, their play. But I think that a lot
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  Speaker 3: of that has to do with, you know, some of
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  Speaker 3: the protection schemes that they've been running and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: kind of teams have figured out how to beat this
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  Speaker 3: team and put pressure on our quarterback. So I don't
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  Speaker 3: remember if you remember the Super Bowl when Cam was
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  Speaker 3: quarterback and, you know, teams kind of figured out how
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  Speaker 3: to rush him. They rushed the guys wide, pressured him
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  Speaker 3: up the middle, knowing that he was always going to
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  Speaker 3: kind of escape one way or the other, you know,
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  Speaker 3: to his right typically. and they'd run him down from
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  Speaker 3: behind or corral him with those hands. And kind of
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  Speaker 3: the same thing's happening with Bryce. Bryce maybe not being 100%
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  Speaker 3: healthy is limiting him even more than what he's able
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  Speaker 3: to do inside the pocket because of his lack of
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  Speaker 3: size and able to see over the middle. So teams
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  Speaker 3: are rushing him up the middle, pushing him in the middle,
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  Speaker 3: and trying to force him to throw passes in the
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  Speaker 3: middle because the defenses are going to take away those outsides,
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  Speaker 3: and they're playing– The NFL is going to make you
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  Speaker 3: play to your limitations. That's what's happening for the Panthers.
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  Speaker 3: But even the protection schemes and getting back to the
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  Speaker 3: coaches and watching what the Bucs did and even the Eagles,
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  Speaker 3: I think the Bucs more because they play them more often.
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  Speaker 3: They know when the Panthers, they were predictable when they
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  Speaker 3: were going to slide a certain way. And it's a
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  Speaker 3: chess match. You look at what the offensive line does.
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  Speaker 3: It's a universal call. They go lucky, lucky. You want
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  Speaker 3: to slide the line left, and they bring the blitz
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  Speaker 3: from the right. So the Panthers aren't readjusting after the
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  Speaker 3: defense is just, and they know the calls and the signs,
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  Speaker 3: and they're just putting pressure on Bryce in two seconds
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  Speaker 3: or less and forcing him to throw the ball. You've
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  Speaker 3: got to have everybody on your P's and Q's when
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  Speaker 3: it's happening that quick, and the routes can't be very
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  Speaker 3: long down the field if that's going to continue to happen.
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  Speaker 4: On the offensive line side of things, Frank, how surprised
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  Speaker 4: are you that Rob Hunt has regressed to the point
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  Speaker 4: he has so far this season, whether it's the penalties
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  Speaker 4: or just overall play? We thought he was a stalwart,
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  Speaker 4: but right now it appears like he's as big a
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  Speaker 4: problem as anybody on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's given up a lot of pressure at the
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  Speaker 3: right guard, and again, teams are going to study film,
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  Speaker 3: and they're going to see him play often, and they're
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  Speaker 3: going to know what moves give him the difficult challenges.
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  Speaker 3: And it seems like when you play a slippery guy
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  Speaker 3: that's going to be able to get into the middle
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  Speaker 3: and maybe, you know, rip underneath, they're pressuring him a lot. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the center's not doing him a lot of favors,
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  Speaker 3: you know, by just kind of standing in the middle,
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  Speaker 3: really doing nothing. Looks like he's out there like my
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  Speaker 3: three-year-old and picking flowers and looking up in the sky
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  Speaker 3: sometimes because he's not really aggressive in an active center.
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  Speaker 3: So that's not Robert, you know, that's not, that's not,
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  Speaker 3: The right guard is getting beat so cleanly, but he's
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  Speaker 3: got to improve his play for sure, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: help when defenses are pinning their ears back knowing that
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  Speaker 3: they have an injured animal over their quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking with Frank Garcia, former Panthro lineman, giving his
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on what's going on. Frank, it was interesting. You
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  Speaker 1: started by talking about the protection schemes and teams maybe
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  Speaker 1: being able to figure them out and exploit those. So
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  Speaker 1: do you think, whereas I, the untrained eye or certainly
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  Speaker 1: less trained eye, I see like Rasheed Walker and it's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, he's getting bull rush. Oh man, he
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  Speaker 1: just went to block this dude.
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  Speaker 2: He went around.
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  Speaker 1: Like I see, I see Monroe Freeling. It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he just looks like a rookie out there learning on
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  Speaker 1: the job. You already brought up a couple interior guys.
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  Speaker 1: So I tend to blame it on the, on the
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  Speaker 1: individual players. Do you, Do you think it's more the
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  Speaker 1: schemes they're being asked to run? Or I guess, I
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  Speaker 1: guess you're saying it's a mix.
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  Speaker 3: I guess. Yeah. I mean, definitely, you know, when you
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  Speaker 3: have a backup plan, you know, and a starting position
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  Speaker 3: or a rookie teams are going to lick their chops
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  Speaker 3: or defensive players that have played a long time are
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  Speaker 3: going to lick their chops. No. And I got a rookie.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of times the technique that rookies use are,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they get away from it in college because
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  Speaker 3: they can grab a guy, hold a guy and then
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  Speaker 3: lock them down. When you get to the NFL, you
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  Speaker 3: have to learn how to counter their counter, and they're
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  Speaker 3: going to make a move. You might stop that initial move,
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  Speaker 3: but they're setting you up for that second move, and
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  Speaker 3: that's where rookies a lot of times get left standing
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  Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage with the guy not in
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  Speaker 3: front of them because they're not using the technique that
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  Speaker 3: it takes to develop that time to get out there
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  Speaker 3: and get better. So, yeah, he's struggling at right tackle
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  Speaker 3: for sure. The left tackle right now, he's been good
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  Speaker 3: at times, but that's why he's a backup, guys. The
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  Speaker 3: difference between backups and starters is the consistency in which
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  Speaker 3: you play. Going out there and every play, not just dominating,
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  Speaker 3: but just doing your job. When you get beat two
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  Speaker 3: or three times, especially at tackle, they're glaring and they
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  Speaker 3: cause sacks or pressures. That's going to be very noticeable.
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  Speaker 3: I remember when the left tackle was injured right now,
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  Speaker 3: Icky went out there and when he first started and
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  Speaker 3: he struggled as well. So Bryce has been able to
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  Speaker 3: alleviate some of that pressure by getting rid of the
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  Speaker 3: ball quickly. But teams, like I said, are going to
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  Speaker 3: start jamming receivers and pushing the pocket up the middle
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  Speaker 3: after they're rushing those guys outside, forcing Bryce to throw
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  Speaker 3: the ball quickly and And if our routes don't adjust
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  Speaker 3: to those and our protection doesn't slide the right way
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  Speaker 3: or pick those schemes up, then he's going to have
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  Speaker 3: pressure right away. You can't win in this league solely
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  Speaker 3: by going RPOs and throwing the ball. You have to
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  Speaker 3: have protection. You have to have a quarterback that can
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  Speaker 3: sit in the pocket. And he's digressed as well and
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  Speaker 3: be able to do those things. I mean, listen, we got...
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  Speaker 3: We've got a four-year sample size, four and a half
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  Speaker 3: years now, of Bryce Young. He's had six, seven really,
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  Speaker 3: really good games consistently. I don't think he's a part
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  Speaker 3: of the problem. I think he can be a part
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  Speaker 3: of the solution. But he's limited in what you can do.
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  Speaker 3: He's not going to solely make guys around him better.
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  Speaker 3: He needs guys to help him be better, right? And
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  Speaker 3: that's the side of a good player but not a
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  Speaker 3: great player, right? And that's what Bryce Young is. He's
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  Speaker 3: a really, really good player at times. He's just not
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  Speaker 3: a great player at times. and able to make everybody
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  Speaker 3: around him better unless those things are falling in line,
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  Speaker 3: and he is going to do his job at a
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  Speaker 3: high level.
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  Speaker 4: That is the voice of We Are Frank Garcia here
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  Speaker 4: on the Mac and Bone Show.
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  Speaker 2: Just bring back a legendary moment there from your.
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  Speaker 1: Past, Frank.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to be back in about 10 minutes.
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  Speaker 2: That was all day one. That was another doozy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, gosh.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I miss it. What are your thoughts on Dave
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  Speaker 4: Canales overall as a head coach?
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  Speaker 3: I think he's a soft coach. I really do. You
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  Speaker 3: cannot have in this league guys going out there and
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  Speaker 3: making the mistakes that Evans has made at cornerback. And
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  Speaker 3: I know he didn't play much this last game. you
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  Speaker 3: have to have the fear of God in these guys
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  Speaker 3: for at least keeping their job. And when you have
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  Speaker 3: a guy that's so glaringly out of place, and I
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  Speaker 3: know it, I know you guys saw it, and if
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  Speaker 3: you guys can see it, everybody can see it, that
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  Speaker 3: Evans didn't belong on the football field against Detroit, and
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  Speaker 3: he definitely doesn't belong on the football field after that.
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  Speaker 3: And the fact that he went out in the next
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  Speaker 3: game and started I was shocked. I was like, if
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  Speaker 3: that guy gets back on the bus, or he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: just get on the bus and go home, he's not
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  Speaker 3: given a ticket, and have his bags waiting outside his
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  Speaker 3: locker room, then we have a country club culture in
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  Speaker 3: that locker room. If you're Dave Canales, and you're going
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  Speaker 3: to go out there and tell us... that you have
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  Speaker 3: better options and you don't play them because that's the
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  Speaker 3: guy you go out there with, you're chicken shit, right?
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  Speaker 3: That's really what it is. You're chicken shit to go fire, guys. Easy.
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  Speaker 4: Watch this.
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  Speaker 2: Language there, Frank. Frank thought he was on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Frank thought he was on Suits podcast there for a second.
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  Speaker 2: I'm all, baby, you forget these radio rules, Frankie. We'll
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  Speaker 2: be back in 10 months.
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  Speaker 1: I think fans love it. I think fans would love
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  Speaker 1: that you got that mad. I want to ask you
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  Speaker 1: something right there, too, because it's interesting. I forget who
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  Speaker 1: it was. One of the media members that was talking
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  Speaker 1: about the Avero firing was wondering, like, could it have
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  Speaker 1: to do in part with a Vero, like telling Dave,
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  Speaker 1: I want to play Evans and, and having a guy
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  Speaker 1: like Marco Wilson who played a lot better on the
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  Speaker 1: practice squad, but it taking like four games to get
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  Speaker 1: to him over Evans, but you're blaming Canales. Like, do you,
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  Speaker 1: how does the dynamic work in locker rooms? Do you
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  Speaker 1: think it's possible that, that a Vero said, Hey, I'm a,
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  Speaker 1: I believe in Evans. I'm gonna keep playing them. And
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  Speaker 1: Canales would let him do that. Or, or do you
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  Speaker 1: think the head coach would intervene?
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  Speaker 3: It could have been that or it could have been
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  Speaker 3: the opposite of that. You're going to play Evans because
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  Speaker 3: he's our guy. I have just not seen the fire.
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  Speaker 3: I know a lot of times coaches reserve that stuff
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  Speaker 3: for the locker rooms. Ron Rivera was a good example
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  Speaker 3: of that. He ripped those guys sideways at practice at times.
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  Speaker 3: And behind closed doors. On the sideline, he looked stoic,
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  Speaker 3: and he really didn't have a lot of emotion. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's a sign of a– but I can
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  Speaker 3: tell you, I know Ron Rivera was going to get–
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  Speaker 3: I don't see that in Dave Canales. He's always patting
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  Speaker 3: guys on the back, telling them it's okay. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he motivates in a positive way, which is fine, but
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  Speaker 3: not everybody can be motivated that way. Sometimes guys need
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  Speaker 3: to be motivated by fear and discipline. This is the
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  Speaker 3: worst penalized team in the NFL for the last two years.
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  Speaker 3: This is not like this is a one-off where they
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  Speaker 3: go out there and have– they've lost two games this
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  Speaker 3: year they should have won due to penalties. That's lack
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  Speaker 3: of discipline. That's lack of structure. That's lack of organizational
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  Speaker 3: skills that, hey, there's no consequences when we make a mistake. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: my bad. No, screw my bad. You've got to go
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  Speaker 3: out there and you're going to lose your job if
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  Speaker 3: you continue to make these things happen, and nobody's afraid
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  Speaker 3: to lose their job.
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  Speaker 1: Frank, last thing I've got to ask you about, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of listeners are reminding me of this. We had
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  Speaker 1: a listener text in, I don't even know if y'all
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  Speaker 1: heard about this, we had a listener text in a
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  Speaker 1: few weeks ago, said that their buddies lost a golf
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  Speaker 1: tournament to you, Suit, Alex Hunter, and there.
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  Speaker 2: Was one other guy, I don't remember who it was.
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  Speaker 2: And they lost by eight shots.
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  Speaker 1: And he says, my buddies are so mad they insist
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  Speaker 1: they're scratch golfers. And, Frank, they are accusing you of
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  Speaker 1: doing some, like, nefarious behavior and cheating.
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  Speaker 2: Frank, how do you respond to that?
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  Speaker 3: You know what? Play better. Play better. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: take those guys out on the course with that group
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  Speaker 3: that we played with. and bet them 100 a hole
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  Speaker 3: if they want. I mean, whatever makes them nervous, I'll
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  Speaker 3: make that bet. Because that's what happens, guys. These guys
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  Speaker 3: go out there and scratch golfers until those cameras come on,
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  Speaker 3: and when the cameras come on, their hands are so shaky, right?
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  Speaker 3: You look like you're Joe Biden over there at the podium, right? So...
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  Speaker 3: They can talk all they want about us going out
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  Speaker 3: there and being nefarious. We hold out on the second
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  Speaker 3: shot of the day, and it just got better from that.
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  Speaker 3: You were able to buy eagles. Listen, you go to
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  Speaker 3: these charity tournaments, you can buy shots, right, because of
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  Speaker 3: the polls that give you things. So, Mac, listen, I've
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  Speaker 3: been accused of that because, you know, guys, they can't
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  Speaker 3: beat you. They accuse you of cheating, and that's the
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  Speaker 3: reality of it. Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: I knew Frank would come with a good response. I
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  Speaker 2: had a feeling that would be a good response.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just glad you could work some golf out of
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  Speaker 4: the schedule there, Frank.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the experience. Boat's good today, man. Boat is
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  Speaker 1: killing Frank. That is true, Frank. Your experience in these
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  Speaker 1: tournaments is going to be a big factor, baby. Not
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  Speaker 1: to mention you hitting it 700 yards, all right.
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  Speaker 3: As well. Well, and they haven't seen my buddy Alex.
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  Speaker 3: My buddy Alex can ton it, right?
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  Speaker 2: That's what I hear, is that Alex is really freaking good.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: He's a good dude, too, man.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, and Bone and I defended you when those texts
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  Speaker 1: came in. I want you to know that.
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  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: All right. We banned those texters.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You defended me, and now you're attacking me with them.
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  Speaker 2: And we just stirred it up.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if I can't stir it up, what am
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  Speaker 1: I doing here? We're just journalists trying to get the
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  Speaker 1: right answers. All right, Frank, good to talk to you, brother.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of listeners are glad to hear you back
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  Speaker 1: on the air, man. Appreciate it, dude. Great stuff.
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  Speaker 3: All right, love you guys, and I hope I didn't
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: get you guys banned from the radio for about.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, we're fine.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're all right. So far, so good. We'll
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  Speaker 2: do that ourselves. Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Frank.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.