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The IU Report with Grant Shouse & Mike Hutsell (2.108.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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  [SPEAKER_02]: You are listening to a double edition of the IU report with Grant Shouse and my cutsl a little basketball then a little bit of football And it's only on the central Indiana Sports Report
• 0:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome I U fans to the Citral Indiana Sports Report.
• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's the I U report here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Grant Shows with my Cutsville Greg Mengal, the producer.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The guy who runs the operation.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And Mike, there's a lot of good things to talk about.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple.
• 0:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: At least one particular bad thing we're going to talk about in what is a really great thing to talk about.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Basketball team tonight.
• 0:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: As we've started recording this is absolutely demolishing Penn State, it lead 105 to 62 at this point with Mar Wilkerson, just set the school record for most of the reason a game scored over 40 points.
• 1:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: just incredible.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is the right time to do it.
• 1:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're not doing this and breaking this kind of record against Vienna or Lyndon Wood or one of those schools.
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a conference team that you're just giving them an absolute beat down on your home floor right now, especially when Indiana had the, you know, last week was the week that they had, which was not good.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now they're able to kind of come back with some events against Penn State, hopefully
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think what you're going to see out of this team this year because this frustrated is we all were a week ago on Wednesday night when they absolutely dropped a turn.
• 1:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: The punch bowl against Minnesota, you've got the 100% opposite effect tonight.
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got a team that's with at the under four time out and has 105 points on the board 16 made three pointers was at one point shooting over 70% well into the second half of the
• 2:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Lamar Wilkerson 10-3's.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not, I mean, Tucker de Vries didn't hit a first three till they were to the 70s second point of the game.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they were having this kind of night offensively.
• 2:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Reed Bayley comes off the bench tonight and actually looks like a different guy contributes was a little more active
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit of good news after what was a frustrating two-game stretch there for this basketball team and and restore some goodwill and you got a big one this weekend against renewing a rival.
• 2:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is just what the doctor ordered in my opinion.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: They needed this so bad to have a game like this because this is really other than maybe like that Alabama ANN game or
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  [SPEAKER_00]: the market game.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This has really been the first times since then that they've just absolutely dominated.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And just everything they've thrown up has gone in, you know, they can't mess.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This depends 18 that is 8 in 1.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But you look at who they've played.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: they're they're not conference schedule is bad like worse than Indiana's.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So they're eight and once that eight and one records a little deceiving.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If your mic roads their Penn state, it's like cheese, man.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have to step it up here in conference play if we want to be able to dominate like how Indiana is tonight.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What a performance it is for Indiana
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: and pinstate you talk about their eight and one record and their schedule being what it is they haven't really dominated some of these teams that they've that they've struggled I mean they've played so far this year there's been some struggles in there just to get out with wins normally you want to see like a 20 to 30 point non-confidence win in some of these games and there's games where they're only winning by
• 4:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Mike Woodson special where you're only winning by eight and you have to pull away in the under four time out and pull it out.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, this is, in the big gym, there's, there's not a lot of layups and you can't blow your layups.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we talked about last week, felt like Indiana blew a layup in that game at Minnesota.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So tonight it was, it's tough to say there's a must win in conference in December, but
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If you can't win one of these first two against Minnesota and Penn State, you're looking at a long hard winner.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they took, they took the doubt off the table early in this one, and like you said, it's been one of their more complete dominating performances of the year, and you got to do this against against a bad Penn State team.
• 4:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: think it kind of opens some people's eyes here to see Indiana you know put up over a hundred points in a conference game just absolutely dominating because there's people out there that will see the score and think wow Penn State is really bad for Indiana to do this Indiana has absolutely dominated this basketball game
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, everything they've thrown up has gone in.
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Mar Wilkerson said the game that he's played.
• 5:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I did not, I guess how dominating Indiana is and how far apart this, the score is is that we've started doing the reaction before the game is even over.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's still three and a half minutes left when we're doing this.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I like bringing Indiana's that here, just, and they even said it on TV, Kevin Cuggler,
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're an Indiana fan, you're hoping they can carry this over to Kentucky.
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think they can win the Kentucky game after what I've seen from Kentucky.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They are not a great basketball team.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They've lost games.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They probably shouldn't have lost.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They have just played poorly here at the start of the year with Mark Pope.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that Big Blue Nation is really frustrated with him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so if Indiana can go on the road down there or Rapa Arena on Saturday night and win that game,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That is just going to be absolutely massive for this program, especially when you're renewing that rivalry.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you could go to a rope and you can make things uncomfortable in the first 10 minutes of the game, the crowd is ready to turn.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we saw one on Friday night, they went down a Nashville.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They played Gonzaga, Gonzaga buried them early in the crowd just.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: erupted.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was hilarious as someone who's grown up hating Kentucky as much as I have to hear their fan base just absolutely turn on them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And if they come out and they look bad at home again, against a power conference opponent because they, that's the teams they haven't beaten this year.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They lost a Louisville in the early season game.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They lost a Michigan state in the champions class.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They lost a North Carolina home in a closed game.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They got absolutely railroaded by Gonzaga.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So they've already got four losses on the season.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If Indiana comes in there and knocks down a couple threes early and
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  [SPEAKER_01]: they can get out to the about it like a 12-4 lead and force Pope to take a time out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The crowd down there is just ready to turn and you can make things a lot easier on yourself if you can come out and get to a fast start.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll probably talk more about that game later this week.
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: If we don't, just one thing about Kentucky that concerns me is there a roster that's not well constructed seems like they took a lot of six men from teams a year ago and from power conference teams a year ago and tried to make it into a
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  [SPEAKER_01]: national title container.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're also the type of team in the end doesn't necessarily match up well against because it's going to be a team that I think Indiana is going to struggle to defend.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The athleticism, their ability to put the ball in the floor and attack the basket.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We know Indiana struggles with that.
• 8:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: We know Indiana tends to get in foul trouble when teams are able to
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: that is a bit of a concern to me one thing about Kentucky is they have not shot the ball well this year from the perimeter and they're still awaiting the debut of their prize of their portal class which was Jaden Quaintins from Arizona State.
• 8:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't played a minute yet this year and there's rumors and rumors that he's back practicing and he could debut on Saturday against Indiana.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the transition over to football, if you haven't seen it if you're living under a rock, Indiana is 13 and 0, in football.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a number one seed in the college football playoff, and they have a legit shot, I think, to maybe win the national championship.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if that being said,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Indiana football it was learned on Tuesday that there's a blow to their team.
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even daily who is the big ten tackles for lost leader who did not make first team all conference which is crazy is now going to be out for the year with a devastating knee injury.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: At least that's how it looks for now and that is just such a blow to this defense to he was already the back up in there that guy shot deep in the end was he was already in there is the back up and really came into his own there at the And the second half of the season and for him to miss time, especially going into the playoff when you think you now have a roster that can win a national championship.
• 10:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: that's a tough blow for the defense.
• 10:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good thing is is that Indiana's coaching staff is the best in the country.
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have the best defense of coordinator in the country.
• 10:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I have no doubt my mind that over these next three and a half weeks they will find someone to step into Stephen Daily's place.
• 10:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, will them to hopefully three more wins this season.
• 10:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Until I see something more official, I'm going to assume all these videos I've seen so far are AI and this is just all a bad fever dream and there's not really any reason for us to discuss this.
• 10:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: My favorite Stephen Daily stat this season.
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: We talk about him not being a first team all conference performer only getting an honorable mention and his season where he was a
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Stephen Daily this year had 18.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Unbelievable.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That shows you how dominant of a season the kid had.
• 11:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if everything's true, which it likely is the fact that no one's come out and sort of put water on the fire.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's right.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty concerning.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: For many history I've ever seen with Indiana, both football and basketball.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: When there's rumors of something like this and nothing is set about it, they tend the longer it goes on.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It tends to be true.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't really want to sit here and continue to speculate.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know anything for certain, but it certainly is trending in that direction.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if there's a coaching staff and especially a defensive coordinator who's equipped to
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: To put something together, you know, you definitely think of Haines, who's named one of the, I think he was named us as the defensive coordinator of the year by some publication or some.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was the AFCA, the American football coaches association.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, we're going to get into the year.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Assistant, that's a no doubt or we're very fortunate to have who we have Mara.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: could go back to that DN spot, and you could put it in Duke way at Camaro's position.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got Mario, Landino, who's still tired.
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of disappeared a little bit after the Illinois game, but he played very, very well in the big 10 title game.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I trust the coaching staff can scheme around it.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: They said when Wyatt went down, we thought that they would just have to skim around Wyatt's injury and then daily ended up being one of the best defensive players in the conference.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So you hate to hear it, but you still are the number one seed overall in the college football playoff and nothing's going to change that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So now you just got to go out and line it up and show that you wire there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And is it crazy to say, Mike, that I feel bad for the guy because
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  [SPEAKER_00]: he really has been a little bit of a difference maker and some of these closed games this year.
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad for him that he's probably could be out for the rest of the year, but at the same time, I'm not necessarily too concerned about it because we seem like guys like Induke way come in there.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: McCall Kamara has actually probably not as, I probably hasn't had as good of a season as he did in 2024.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: everybody's expected him to be a star this year.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say he hasn't showed up, but he's kind of, he just has lived up to expectation, but he's still out of phenomenal years.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to have to step up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: you hate for it to be anybody, but you're sitting here and it could be worse, it could be someone else, it could be the anchor of your defense, the quarterback of your defense, it could be one of your great secondary players, it could be one of your great linebackers.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So this is something that
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it sucks.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is the little concerning, but at the same time Indiana is so deep on especially on defense that I'm upset about it, but I'm not too concerned to an extent.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're a little concerned if when you get into the Rose Bowl and if his absences is felt,
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: then you're kind of looking back on that a little differently.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of defense, I did want to bring this up because I have what's picked in championship a couple times since then.
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I've watched a twice since.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to tell you, Mike, what I thought the play of the game was on defense.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I'm going to say?
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm picking it, it's the Realize of Hardy Play
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: to force the field goal, else that play.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And in the first half, Isaiah Jones got to Julie and say on the sideline to force fourth down and for them to kick a field goal.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got to keep in mind here.
• 15:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Think about, start thinking about this.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fernando throws the interception there to set Ohio state up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They come down and score touchdown.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: What if he doesn't
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Ohio State scores the touchdown.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: The entire game.
• 15:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: You look at it.
• 15:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a dominant Indiana defense was Indiana had let them have the one driver.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They came down.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They kind of chipped away.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They chizzled the clock down and you know, set them up and the realize your hearty play in the end zone to bat the ball away from Jeremiah Smith was
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: play the games a clutch play you didn't realize how clutch it would be because you're thinking in your mind well there's still going to kick a field goal here and tie this game up and then another big play was not necessarily something the defense did it was kind of a the poor decision from saying we're saying
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: dive too early kind of lowered the lowered his lower body too too early and was down sure the line to gain inside the five and that gave Indiana the ball back because they could have scored a touchdown there too.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: That game, now that I look back on it, Mike, it feels like
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Indiana made so many plays that like you would see out of like a Hollywood movie about this kind of thing.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: They just came up big when they needed to and it felt nip and tuck the entire game.
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Relisa Hardy, you talk about a story in a Hollywood movie.
• 17:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a zero star kid who comes out of the naval academy.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And of all these great players we've mentioned on their defense, who's their leading tactler on the year?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's religion, hardy.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it just goes to show again, not only the quality of their death, but just the quality of their coaching because you skim up a guy who
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: played service academy football.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you get this guy to be one of the, one of the best players on what statistically is one of the best defenses in the country.
• 17:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't take for granted just how good this defensive coaching staff is.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that that's maybe the best example of it right there.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's been a nice couple of days here for Indiana fans with one of the big 10 champion chip and that you're the one seed now and the basketball team does what they do against Penn State, they win 13 to 70.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: and 72, 172, 1372, I don't remember them ever scoring that many points in a game, maybe if I entire life, I know they've scored over a hundred in some games, but probably have to go back and look to see when the last time they scored that many, especially in a big 10 game, that's just insane, so this has been a nice couple of days here for Indiana fans, Mike.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well basketball is a lot easier.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: a lot easier when you shoot 68.9% from the field, which is what they did tonight and included in that is 17 of 31 from three point range.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't just a Lamar Wilterson night from three.
• 18:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was the entire basketball team.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Kudos then getting back on track and you also let's not forget we
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: As we sometimes tend to do, we get a volleyball team in the sweet 16 heading to Austin to play in the Texas region.
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So two good wins by the volleyball team on Thursday and Friday last week, knocked off Colorado, came back in the third game.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So two sweeps really, really cool to see not something that you often get out of Indiana on in volleyball.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: 2010 was the last time they made it this far.
• 19:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh you got three pretty good things going and we won't talk about the last performance by the women's basketball team.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's another thing to point out is that, of course, basketball team again plays it Kentucky on Saturday and, right before that, you can watch the high-spin trophy ceremony where Indiana quarterback Fernando Mendoza is the favorite to win the award
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: and you'll see that in New York City.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, the four finalists being Fernando Mendoza, Julie and Sayon from Ohio State, Jeremiah love from Notre Dame and Diego Pavia there at Vanderbilt.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: like Fernando Mendoza, Mike is like the clear cut favorite, but there's no question about it that I think he should win it.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, definitely win.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, when I say it's not been confirmed, but there is rumors that Jeremiah love may not come because he doesn't feel like he's gonna win, so he may just decide to stay home.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a huge disservice to the highsman trophy that they've seen no today and they do quit when things tend not to go their way.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Difference between the candidates as you have.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fernando Mendoza doing a fundraiser through his NIO to try to raise money for multiple sclerosis, which of course his mother has, and then you have Diego Pavia who's mother is dollar bill at a time on a stage somewhere in Nashville, probably, raising money on her own, so, um, uh, Mike.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Mike Hutzl.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll go with one of Grants.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She is a handsome lady.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: do you think for an end is going to win might.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do, but I think that it's a lot closer.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot closer than people probably want to admit that it is the bedding lines, like during the big-din championship, went from Mendoza being the second pick to like him being minus 2000, which seemed crazy.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Stuart Mandel on Twitter says he
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: among voters.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: He says, this is a lot closer than anybody really thinks it is.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you have your wins, I'm not going to be stunned.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's brilliant.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I really think that we're going here to just basically see if it's for nanomendoza or Diego, Pavia.
• 22:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think jokes aside, I think that like you could tell Jeremiah love and Julie and say in the stay home, because they're not winning.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be shocked if one of them won't.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be shocked if Pavia won.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I really wouldn't, and as the Indiana fan in me, I'd be disappointed if Mendoza didn't win, but I can tell you this, I'd way rather see him win at Ashill Championship than when the highsman.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think any Indiana fan would tell you that.
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, I don't think the, I don't think the highsman moves the needle quite like it used to.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's be a downside, 100% honest, and this isn't like the,
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you went around, but Greg and I remember Peyton Manning versus Charles Woods in debate for the Highsman years ago.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you win it, it's great publicity for your school.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: When it comes on to voting for it, we all know the SEC is a hive.
• 23:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a hive mind mentality.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: All the voters in the South are gonna vote for Pavia.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas in the Big Ten,
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: the Midwest voter, there are still people that are going to say, the Heisman trophy winner can't come from freaking Indiana.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to vote for saying anyway.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have that high mentality necessarily in the Midwest that you have in the SC, I would call a fine bomb.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: We talk, we joke about this clown a lot, but he's already come out and say he's like, Fernando Windows is not going to win the Heisman.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he might be right.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's because of the mindset is still there and the SEC is going to vote for the SEC.
• 23:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So don't be surprised if Pavia wins and also don't be surprised if Pavia's mom doesn't dance on stage and get some dollar bills thrown away.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when it comes down to character, if it was based on character, then Bindosa would win that thing by a long shot.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know he's corny.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know he's super cringy.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know he said the Hoosiers are flipping chance and then said the corny is let's go of all time in that post game interview.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the guy
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: he's not a arrogant at least on the outside again we're looking at this from an outside scope people around him may think different he is like signates that an A plus plus in every interview he does and watch him on the pat mac of the show the other day he was great on the pat mac of the show
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: For him to carry himself the way he does is a, you know, 22, 23 year old dude is just really impressive and it's it's it's really mature and then you know a story with his mom and all that and then you know Diego Pavia's mom and all that it definitely I think makes Fernando look a lot better.
• 25:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it makes him look like he's got more character and I think he does.
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: He has already stepped up multiple times this year and delivered his Heisman moment.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Penn State was maybe one of the most Heisman moments of all Heisman moments of all time.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just incredible.
• 25:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: The late, and I know this, oh, this is the highs and moment, but the late throw to Charlie Becker, the other night, was huge.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: That said Indiana up to basically run down the clock to under 20 seconds and give the ball back to the high at state.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a little bit of the icing on the cake in a way.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: The drive against the organ to come down and score late in the fourth quarter to take the lead.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: The late touchdown throw against Iowa.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: The guy has had multiple heisman moments this year and Diego Pavia hasn't done that.
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Julian's saying didn't do that this year.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jeremiah love didn't do that this year.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fernando Mendoza has about three or four high-spin moments, and you could argue probably more.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, and then going back to the two other high-spin candidates, Indiana's had, and it's time, and Anthony Thompson, and Antoine Randallel, the reason they didn't win it was because their teams weren't good enough.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll now Indiana's the number one team in the country, and Fernando Mendoza,
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: fits in my opinion and checks all the boxes that he should to win the ice and trophy.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And let's not also forget that Mendoza's given away at least a game and a half of not playing the fourth quarter of games.
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing is Indiana has a running game.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: How many games do they run for 300 yards?
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And did indeed
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: 270 and three touchdowns out of their quarterback.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Vainer building have that.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, Pavia had to put up bigger numbers.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think of the two, obviously this is a non biased opinion, but I think Mendoza should win, but I'm not going to be stunned if he doesn't.
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna get my hope to, I mean, it's the Heism trophy again.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You'd rather the guy when the national championship.
• 27:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: than when the Heisman.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can do both, right?
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if I had just paid it, I'd make the natural champion chips, zoomsan.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Cinderella and the Sportford Port is a product of IKG Media.
• 27:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's see.