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Chuck & Buck 1-29 Hour 2: NDSU's Dan Larson, the series continues.. unfortunately and Belichick-Gate has everyone up in arms! · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Listen to this place.
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Speaker 2: Desperation for Stafford eight seconds left loaded up near side napoles.
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Speaker 1: He had about for god.
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Speaker 2: Three seconds looking in the cup.
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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it to Seahawks.
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Speaker 2: Sir to Super Bowl sixty Kevin Burkhard and a former
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Speaker 1: NFC Conference Championship.
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Speaker 2: Game, which came out with the Seahawks on top Super
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Speaker 2: Bowl sixty.
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Speaker 1: The countdown continues.
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Speaker 2: We're ten sleeps away from Seahawks versus Patriots, and we're
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Speaker 1: It a lot. Good morning.
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Speaker 2: It is Chuck, Buck and Ashley with you here on
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Speaker 2: Bowl sixty is the headline and will be for the
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Speaker 2: foreseeable future, ten days away from kickoff from Santa.
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Speaker 1: Clara, California.
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Speaker 2: Of course, KJR House will be installed by next week,
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Speaker 2: so our broadcast will be held from Santa Clara Monday
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Speaker 2: through Friday of next week. The entire staff heading down
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Speaker 2: there for Super Bowl number sixty, And of course it's
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a different schedule this week. Injury
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Speaker 2: reports something that we're really not jumping toward, but there
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Speaker 2: was a little bit of information. A lot of guys
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Speaker 2: held out of practice here the last couple of days.
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Speaker 2: Think the big concern is Drake Thomas who left the
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Speaker 2: game had to be replaced by Tyrese Knight on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: He's had such a.
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Speaker 2: Good season this year, it would be a shame if
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Speaker 2: he couldn't go for the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and yet I don't you know, neither team is
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Speaker 3: going to be able to go in there at one
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Speaker 3: hundred percent full strength, But that would be a loss
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Speaker 3: for sure. The way in which he's kind of stepped
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Speaker 3: up when needed.
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Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Seahawks, of course the big story.
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Speaker 2: But Mel Belichick stole a lot of headlines from the
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Belichick Gate, vote gate, whatever you want to call it.
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Speaker 2: Anytime Bill Belichick's involved in controversy, you've got to call
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Speaker 2: it something gate.
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Speaker 1: So we'll call it vote gate. He did not get
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Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame, not on the first ballot.
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Speaker 2: There were some explanations that maybe we're passable as to
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Speaker 2: why he wasn't voted in. We will discuss those a
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Speaker 2: little bit later on this hour. We still don't know
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Speaker 2: if Robert Kraft is getting in this year on the
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame ballot, and of course all the Hall
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Speaker 2: of Fame entries will be revealed during Super Bowl Week
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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six college basketball U DUB is an
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Speaker 2: point three KHARFM. Right now, joining us on the program
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Speaker 2: to talk some Seahawks football and follow me with this.
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Speaker 2: His name is Dan Larson. He is the current off
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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator at North Dakota State University. But he hasn't
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Speaker 2: always been the OC bucky. He's been a tight ends coach,
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Speaker 2: fullbacks coach, kind of all three at once at times.
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Speaker 1: But from twenty twenty through twenty.
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Speaker 2: Twenty four, our next guest was the offensive line coach
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Speaker 2: for North Dakota State, which suggests that he in some
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Speaker 2: part has helped provide us forty percent of our starting
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Speaker 2: offensive line for the Seattle Seahawks. So joining us now
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Speaker 2: on the program is Dan Larson to talk some Seahawks football.
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Speaker 1: Good morning, coach, Good morning.
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Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys having me on.
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Speaker 1: Well, thanks for being with us. We appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: So you coach, to Jalen Sundell and Gray Zabel, I mean,
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Speaker 2: thank you for the job.
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Speaker 1: Well done. Was it always a walk in the park?
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Speaker 2: I mean, did they land on your doorstep ready for
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Speaker 2: the National Football League coach?
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Speaker 4: You know, it was not always walk in the park.
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Speaker 4: And I think when I moved over to offensive line
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Speaker 4: and we played the spring season in twenty twenty, and
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Speaker 4: that was I've been coaching for eighteen plus years a
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Speaker 4: variety of roles, never coached offensive line, and kind of
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Speaker 4: the way that things worked out. That was my first
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Speaker 4: foray into coaching offensive line. It was also Jalen's first
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Speaker 4: foray into playing center. And we had about two weeks
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Speaker 4: to kind of get our bearings underneath us and start
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Speaker 4: working together and you know, starting to get to know
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Speaker 4: each other a little bit more. Even though you're on staff,
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Speaker 4: you're not quite coaching those guys up close and personal
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Speaker 4: obviously every day. And we got kind of thrown in
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Speaker 4: the fire together. And on top of that, we had
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Speaker 4: to play some young guys and one of those young
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Speaker 4: guys was Gray, and Gray ended up becoming a starter
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Speaker 4: for us as a true freshman in that spring COVID year.
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Speaker 4: So all three of us kind of you know, jumping
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Speaker 4: into the mix, so to speak, together with some you know,
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Speaker 4: nuances and some things to learn about each other, but
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Speaker 4: also doing a lot of things that were considered to
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Speaker 4: be first to see where they're at now. It's pretty cool.
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Speaker 3: Dan, I played baseball at a small school, and so
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Speaker 3: I kind of I have an affinity for programs like
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Speaker 3: North Dakota State. I mean, you guys are bigger than
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Speaker 3: the Ania school that I went to, and yet the
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Speaker 3: idea of coaching guys that maybe are overlooked by bigger programs,
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Speaker 3: I think that's always an intriguing thing. And so when
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Speaker 3: when you are doing what you're doing there and you
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Speaker 3: guys are kind of running the show at the level
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Speaker 3: that you're playing at, I mean, what kind of thing
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Speaker 3: do you see that's different about these two guys in
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Speaker 3: particular that Seahawk fans are growing to love that, maybe
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Speaker 3: as a chip on their shoulder or maybe a way
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Speaker 3: in which they went about their business to go out
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Speaker 3: there and prove everybody wrong that they're worthy of playing
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Speaker 3: at the highest level.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: You know, the one thing I always go back to
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Speaker 4: with Gray is that he was a pitcher in baseball,
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Speaker 4: and I wasn't as involved in the recruiting process with
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Speaker 4: him as the elephansive line coach at that point in
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Speaker 4: time was but I do remember, you know, conversations or
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Speaker 4: getting on FaceTime with him a couple of times, and
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Speaker 4: you know, just the fact that he always wanted the
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Speaker 4: ball in his hand in big situations. You know, I
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Speaker 4: remember asking him some point about what he loved about
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Speaker 4: baseball and you know, pitching particularly, and you know, talking
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Speaker 4: about you know, having an opportunity to strike somebody out
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Speaker 4: or having the ball in his hands when big moments,
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Speaker 4: you know, started up. And I thought that always kind
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Speaker 4: of spoke to him a little bit, like the moment
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Speaker 4: wasn't never too big. It was the same way when
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Speaker 4: we asked him to start for us as a freshman,
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Speaker 4: you know, having been in college for a total of
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Speaker 4: six months, seven months, you know that he was ready
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Speaker 4: to go chop at the bed, uber competitive and not
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Speaker 4: afraid of any kind of challenge and not backing down
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Speaker 4: from any challenge. And you know, Jalen just I think
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Speaker 4: Jalen's just always had that desire to keep pushing himself.
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Speaker 4: I think there's a curious aspect to him of just
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Speaker 4: continuing to get better and doing something different. He wanted
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Speaker 4: to challenge a playing center, even though it wasn't a
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Speaker 4: position that they had brought him in for. But I
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Speaker 4: think it was his ability to be the communicator at
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Speaker 4: to line of scrimmage, be the guy that was helping
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Speaker 4: everybody kind of get going in the right direction from
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Speaker 4: an id standpoint in combos, and it was a challenge.
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Speaker 4: And you know, his senior year, we asked him moved
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Speaker 4: from center to left tackle, and he's probably an All
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Speaker 4: American center and we asked him to move to left
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Speaker 4: tackle for the betterment of the team and the offensive line,
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Speaker 4: and jumped right at that chance as well too. They're
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Speaker 4: just the two guys that I think enjoy the competitive
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Speaker 4: aspect of football. Two different personalities, but when you go
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Speaker 4: on the football field and how they want to play
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Speaker 4: and how they want to compete really really similar.
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Speaker 2: Dan Larson is with US offensive coordinator for North Dakota
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Speaker 2: State University football, but he was the offensive line coach
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Speaker 2: from twenty twenty through twenty twenty four, which means he
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Speaker 2: coached up both Jalen Sundel and Gray Zabel to NFL standards.
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Speaker 2: And he's joining us here on the radio program. I
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Speaker 2: trust that you and most of North Dakota State have
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Speaker 2: become Seahawk fans.
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Speaker 4: Is that true big Seahawks fans.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you still got the boot a boot you So
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Speaker 2: I didn't know if you were still leaning Vikings or CFL.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad that we've turned some
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Speaker 2: Seahawks fans up there.
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Speaker 1: When did you know? When did you know in the coaching.
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Speaker 2: Process that hey, I'm just not coaching some college stars here.
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Speaker 2: I got a couple of guys, particularly Zabel because he
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Speaker 2: was the tenth overall pick in the draft. For goodness sake,
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Speaker 2: When did you know that you had two guys that
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Speaker 2: had futures playing on Sundays?
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Speaker 4: You know, it's probably just the beauty of North Dakota State.
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Speaker 4: We never think the guys are good enough to do anything,
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Speaker 4: so we just keep pushing them to a standard that
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Speaker 4: we believe is just you know, can you just keep
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Speaker 4: getting a little better and continue to improve? But I
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Speaker 4: think what I saw, you know, when you saw Grave
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Speaker 4: really start going through this draft process a little bit,
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Speaker 4: and you know the way that people are talking about
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Speaker 4: some of the interview processes, I think you just start
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Speaker 4: in a little bit of what they're looking for. And
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Speaker 4: when I was fortune to fi able to go down
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Speaker 4: and watch him in in the Senior Bowl week. I
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Speaker 4: think that's when it really like kind of even dawned
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Speaker 4: on me from a standpoint of like, man, this this
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Speaker 4: this guy's in NFL, like he can do it at
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Speaker 4: a really high level. And I think it was his competitiveness,
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Speaker 4: the fact that he jumped in there. He's still playing
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Speaker 4: the same way he played the NDSU with the smile
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Speaker 4: on the space. When when I watched Jalen run from
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Speaker 4: a center standpoint, and then you kind of start watching
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Speaker 4: even some of the other guys at the FBS level
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Speaker 4: and even some of the guys at the NFL level,
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Speaker 4: I thought, you know, his athleticism from the center position,
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Speaker 4: I did think was going to allow him a chance
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Speaker 4: to play. And again, we probably don't ever share We
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Speaker 4: don't ever share those things with the players. We probably
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Speaker 4: just tell them, you know, like, hey, you got to
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Speaker 4: do it a little bit better if you if you
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Speaker 4: want to play at the next level. But there were
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Speaker 4: two really special athletes and just really different positions, but
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Speaker 4: you could there were some things that kind of stand
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Speaker 4: out to you. They're like, holy smokes, these guys got
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Speaker 4: a chance.
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Speaker 3: We're talking to Dan Larson, the offensive coordinator at North
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Speaker 3: Dakota State, university and talking about the couple of guys
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Speaker 3: that on the offensive line for the Seahawks here that
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Speaker 3: have are are going to help win a super Bowl,
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Speaker 3: hopefully for the city. I'm curious, when have you got
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Speaker 3: to talk to these guys. I mean, it wasn't that
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Speaker 3: long ago. Obviously, Gray is Abel was just there and
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Speaker 3: Sunday wasn't there much before that. But I'm wondering if
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Speaker 3: you got to talk to him recently and find out
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Speaker 3: how much they're enjoying, you know, being side by side
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Speaker 3: and going out there and leading a team to.
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Speaker 1: The super Bowl.
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Speaker 4: Well, I talked to it. I had a chance to
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Speaker 4: catch up in between some recruiting stops this week with
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Speaker 4: Gray and listening to them kind of make the family
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Speaker 4: plans And you know, coach, how cool is this pretty cool?
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Speaker 4: It's uh, you know, it's still a little bit of
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Speaker 4: the down to earth mentality I love about him. You know,
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Speaker 4: Jalen's journey obviously to get there. So I think it's
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Speaker 4: just an appreciation aspect from him of the spot that
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Speaker 4: he's in. But you know, in their own ways communicating
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Speaker 4: with with me is it's still like you've got to
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Speaker 4: go win the next game. And I think they have
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Speaker 4: a level of groundedness that allows them to still enjoy it,
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Speaker 4: but also understand we got two weeks to work to
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Speaker 4: go win a game. And I firmly believe like that's
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Speaker 4: a part of them that's allowed them to be a
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Speaker 4: professional to the level that they're at currently this year
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Speaker 4: is because they've kind of stayed grounded and just kept
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Speaker 4: working ahead. But yeah, when you start talking about travel
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Speaker 4: plans and tickets, it's pretty interesting to listen to how
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Speaker 4: that all it works out at the NFL level.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, how cool is that? But I mean
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Speaker 2: how unbelievable is it to you? I mean, it's one
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Speaker 2: thing just to get a guy into the National Football League,
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Speaker 2: but have them land on the same team and to
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Speaker 2: play right next to each other when they were roommates
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Speaker 2: back in college. I mean, how unbelievable is this to you?
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Speaker 2: Is it sort of mind blowing? You're gonna be watching
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl next Sunday and two of your guys
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Speaker 2: are going to be in the frame together every time
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks are on the football field. How just crazy
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Speaker 2: is it for you to see this come together?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 4: I would never share this with them, but the first
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Speaker 4: game that they started. You know, I paused the TV
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Speaker 4: and I took a picture and uh, you know, there's
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Speaker 4: a it was a little part of me that got
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Speaker 4: you know, it's emotional because you know they're chasing dreams.
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Speaker 4: But like you said, it's it's a we're in a
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Speaker 4: really small profession, it's a small community, and so I
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Speaker 4: think when you see guys have success, you cheer for them.
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Speaker 4: But to see those two guys kind of line up
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Speaker 4: together and it's a little bit of the pride of
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Speaker 4: North Dakota State and where these guys came from and
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Speaker 4: knowing what they both went through in order to get there,
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Speaker 4: it's really special and it's incredibly cool. I never miss
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Speaker 4: an opportunity to turn it on and watch them back,
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Speaker 4: and if I can catch a live game, that's all
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Speaker 4: that much better. But yeah, it's it'll be it'll be
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Speaker 4: pretty surreal to watch it. I know there's gonna be
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Speaker 4: a lot of Bison fans. They're gonna be cheering really
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Speaker 4: loud to see two of their own and guys that
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Speaker 4: they've watched. You know, there'll be a big contingent obviously
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Speaker 4: cheering for the Seahawks coming from the state of North Dakota.
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Speaker 3: Nice has anyway from the Seahawks contacted you about your
15:03
Speaker 3: ring size because I mean the the well, I don't
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Speaker 3: put your phone on silent, because I mean, we've been
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Speaker 3: talking about a porous offensive line for the Seahokes for
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Speaker 3: a while now, and then little did everybody know they
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Speaker 3: just needed to come and get a couple of proteges
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Speaker 3: that Dan Larson's touched.
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Speaker 1: Get a couple of bison. And now you're going.
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Speaker 3: To the back to the super Bowl. So I mean,
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Speaker 3: if you want, you can just tell us what your
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Speaker 3: ring size is. We'll pass it along.
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Speaker 1: I said.
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Speaker 4: I told Grant, I said, hey, you guys, you know
15:33
Speaker 4: if your guys's moods or eagles that were just getting
15:35
Speaker 4: checked and they just need to hire somebody to bring
15:37
Speaker 4: you guys down a couple of pigs, just let them
15:38
Speaker 4: know my numbers available.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it, but you.
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Speaker 4: Know, it's been it's been fun watching them play.
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Speaker 2: But you know what, coach our impression of them is
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Speaker 2: that we'll never have to worry about that, That those
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Speaker 2: two guys are so down to earth, and if one isn't,
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Speaker 2: I think the other one checks the other guys.
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Speaker 1: Am I are we right about that?
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Speaker 2: Or you know, is there any chance that you know,
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Speaker 2: Gray's Abel five years from now is gonna roll up
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Speaker 2: in North Dakota State and you know, t bird, you know,
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Speaker 2: wings are gonna come up from his car and you know,
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Speaker 2: and he's gonna roll out of there with like, you know, uh,
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Speaker 2: some sort of Hollywood's starlett. I mean, what what uh
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Speaker 2: do we have to worry at all that these guys
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Speaker 2: will ever have their egos get away from them.
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Speaker 4: When I talked to Grade this past week, he was
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Speaker 4: talking about trying to buy some more land of farm
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Speaker 4: on back in South Dakota. So no, I don't think
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Speaker 4: you uh, I don't think you're gonna have to worry
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Speaker 4: about that normal normal we uh. You know, they both
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Speaker 4: come from great families, hard working families. They're level headed.
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Speaker 4: They just happen to be really good football players.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's got to take his Hollywood starlett out to
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Speaker 2: the farm. He's got to you know, you gotta put
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Speaker 2: her up somewhere.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 4: He wants if he can ride in the tractor, that
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Speaker 4: she could probably handle him.
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Speaker 2: Uh all right, well, coach, thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: your time. We appreciate it. Where are you going to
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Speaker 2: take the Super Bowl in from? Where are you gonna
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Speaker 2: be sitting for it.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think we're all going to try to get
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Speaker 4: together at one of our coaches houses and uh and
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Speaker 4: have a chance to watch it down the basement. So
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Speaker 4: we're there's a couple of us that are still here
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Speaker 4: from when Jalen and Gray both played, and then there's
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Speaker 4: a lot of us obviously that are here from when
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Speaker 4: when Gray was here. And yeah, it'll it'll be fun.
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Speaker 4: I'm hoping for the coach, Paul Sacker head coach doesn't
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Speaker 4: have us come into early on Monday morning to start work.
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Speaker 2: Well, enjoy it, uh, and yeah, be proud of it.
17:31
Speaker 2: I know that you are, and uh, you've got a
17:33
Speaker 2: great program there. Just keep on doing great things.
17:37
Speaker 4: I appreciate your guys' times too, and and everything that
17:40
Speaker 4: you guys do to help those guys. And yeah, be
17:42
Speaker 4: a fun Sunday. And certainly hoping you guys are planning
17:45
Speaker 4: the parade here coming up?
17:46
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, we hope see you there. Yeah, we
17:48
Speaker 2: at least got to get to the parade.
17:50
Speaker 4: Coach, right, that's right, all right, all right, thanks guys.
17:53
Speaker 2: Dan Larson joining us right here on the Chuck and
17:56
Speaker 2: Buck in the morning, offensive coordinator for North Dakota stay,
17:59
Speaker 2: but we had them on because he was the offensive
18:00
Speaker 2: line coach in North Dakota State when both Jalen Sundell
18:04
Speaker 2: and Gray z Abel were coming up through the program.
18:06
Speaker 2: And that's forty percent of our starting offensive line. And
18:08
Speaker 2: I would like to say, without hesitation, forty percent of
18:12
Speaker 2: the first starting offensive line that Seahawk fans have liked
18:16
Speaker 2: since I arrived here ten years ago. I mean I
18:18
Speaker 2: came here after two Super Bowl appearances back to back.
18:22
Speaker 2: My first show is like two weeks after the second
18:24
Speaker 2: Super Bowl appearance. And I know for a fact how
18:28
Speaker 2: many Seahawk fans could not stand their offensive line from
18:31
Speaker 2: a super Bowl team. And then we have heard the criticism.
18:35
Speaker 2: We have discussed it on Monday mornings. We have discussed
18:37
Speaker 2: it in the off season, We discussed it this offseason.
18:40
Speaker 2: I mean, it was one of the big topics during draft,
18:43
Speaker 2: miss do you get the offensive lineman? Do you use
18:46
Speaker 2: the high draft capital to finally get a piece in
18:49
Speaker 2: the offensive line, which is what they did. And this
18:51
Speaker 2: is the first season in ten years that I've been
18:53
Speaker 2: here where we have not made this a running conversation
18:58
Speaker 2: how bad the Seahawks offensive line is. And those two
19:01
Speaker 2: obviously have had a lot to do with it. Thank
19:04
Speaker 2: you North Dakota.
19:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, I thank you Dan Larson, Thank you
19:07
Speaker 3: North Dakota State. It has been an ongoing thing and
19:10
Speaker 3: understandably so, I think that it's hard to it's not
19:13
Speaker 3: that easy to find these guys. Now, if you use
19:17
Speaker 3: a top pick in the in the first round, then
19:19
Speaker 3: you better hope top ten pick, you better hope you
19:21
Speaker 3: don't miss on that. But we've seen this team miss
19:24
Speaker 3: with the first round picks on the offensive line.
19:27
Speaker 1: It's not that they haven't invested.
19:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's not like they haven't invested, but
19:31
Speaker 3: they've done well. I mean, the Charles Cross one is
19:33
Speaker 3: working out, Abe Lucas is working out. Gray's abel looks
19:36
Speaker 3: like it's working out great. Uh and Jalen Shundel looks
19:39
Speaker 3: like it's a you know, found in a diamond in
19:41
Speaker 3: the rough, so to speak, because they didn't use a
19:43
Speaker 3: ton on that and yet I mean, you know, he
19:46
Speaker 3: went out there and took the job from Olul Timmy
19:49
Speaker 3: who won the what Remington Award, the one the most
19:52
Speaker 3: outstanding center in.
19:53
Speaker 2: The country, both Remington's for the center and Outlands for
19:58
Speaker 2: the interior. Offense, civilre defensive line.
20:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
20:01
Speaker 3: So I mean the guy wins that, it's all this
20:03
Speaker 3: highly touted thing. And then you got this guy coming
20:05
Speaker 3: in from from North Dakota State, Like, I'm just gonna
20:08
Speaker 3: go ahead and take that job. You don't if you
20:11
Speaker 3: don't improve from whatever it was you did in college. Fine,
20:14
Speaker 3: all the accolades you got.
20:15
Speaker 1: Just gonna plow that field. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm
20:17
Speaker 1: gonna do. Maybe have a beer, Just go ahead and
20:20
Speaker 1: steer wrestle. This feller in front of me right here.
20:23
Speaker 6: Steer wrestling.
20:25
Speaker 1: Well, it's good to have him on.
20:28
Speaker 2: Great to have them all. That was fun and and
20:30
Speaker 2: it's great to have Gray's Abel and Jalen Sundell a
20:33
Speaker 2: part of the team. It's great that North Dakota has
20:35
Speaker 2: turned into Seahawks fans because a lot of them I
20:37
Speaker 2: think we're making a mistake for years being Vikings fans.
20:40
Speaker 6: That's fair, fools. That's all right. They've righted the ship.
20:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, figured it out.
20:45
Speaker 6: Never too late.
20:46
Speaker 1: They are on the right team now, all right.
20:48
Speaker 2: Coming up next here on the radio program, we started
20:51
Speaker 2: a series on Tuesday, and I think it's a necessary one.
20:55
Speaker 2: Might not be the most most comfortable of conversations to have,
21:00
Speaker 2: but we're only going to do it this week. We're
21:01
Speaker 2: going to get it out there, and then next week
21:04
Speaker 2: it's all about just building the hype train all the
21:06
Speaker 2: way up.
21:07
Speaker 1: To the game.
21:08
Speaker 2: So we will continue with installment number three of a
21:11
Speaker 2: series of unfortunate Super Bowl conversations next on KJR. Really
21:17
Speaker 2: not focus on them next week, but I think that
21:19
Speaker 2: there are conversations that should be held right here on
21:23
Speaker 2: the radio program and on the radio station. Of course,
21:27
Speaker 2: if you are looking to go to Super Bowl sixty,
21:30
Speaker 2: you can't make it to Santa Clara for whatever reason,
21:33
Speaker 2: or don't want to watch it at home, want to
21:35
Speaker 2: be surrounded by fellow Seahawk fans, Talala p Resort Casino
21:39
Speaker 2: is a heck of a choice. You could head on over.
21:41
Speaker 2: They got the DraftKings sportsbook right there at your fingertips
21:45
Speaker 2: at Talala p Resort Casino. Sports betting is more than
21:48
Speaker 2: just a game, It's an experience. And yeah, I've always
21:52
Speaker 2: told people that if you really need to be a
21:53
Speaker 2: part of the energy and the enthusiasm, you can go
21:56
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl or I mean, I lived in
21:59
Speaker 2: Vegas for good s. The casino is such a fun
22:02
Speaker 2: place to take in a major sporting event.
22:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you've done too good of a job of
22:07
Speaker 3: promoting our friends at tu Leila, because I'm pretty sure
22:10
Speaker 3: they're already sold out of the sports book.
22:12
Speaker 1: Is that right? Now?
22:14
Speaker 3: You go there, lay some duckets down, and then go
22:17
Speaker 3: to whatever house party you're going to go to.
22:19
Speaker 1: Okay, it may be still at.
22:21
Speaker 6: The casino and taking the atmosphere to.
22:22
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, And I'm sure you can find a way.
22:25
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not like you maybe won't get a table,
22:28
Speaker 3: reserve someone's shoulders. I would say shoulders, I would say piggybacks.
22:32
Speaker 3: I would say just belly, just belly up to the bar,
22:35
Speaker 3: get cozy in there, you know what I mean. I'm
22:37
Speaker 3: sure that they probably have a capacity thing. That's why
22:39
Speaker 3: they're towing us. Hey we're already sold out.
22:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, just overflow that bad boy.
22:44
Speaker 6: All right?
22:44
Speaker 1: Well, you know what if.
22:45
Speaker 2: The fire Marshall, you know, if Marshall, if people can't
22:49
Speaker 2: get in, that just makes me look better.
22:53
Speaker 1: Anyway.
22:54
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about a series of unfortunate super Bowl conversations.
22:58
Speaker 2: So we've already had to this week, and I'm going
23:00
Speaker 2: to bring up a third. But I think this one
23:04
Speaker 2: ends on a really good note. Okay, by the way,
23:07
Speaker 2: when I arrived in town, I arrived with a back
23:10
Speaker 2: to back Super Bowl team here in Seattle, and obviously everybody's.
23:14
Speaker 1: Coming off the second one.
23:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that was just nothing. But I can't
23:19
Speaker 2: believe it. Anger kind of was the prevailing thought. That's
23:23
Speaker 2: when I first arrived on Seattle soil to live here,
23:26
Speaker 2: and I've been here now for a decade. But I
23:29
Speaker 2: also arrived with a little different opinion and surrounded by people,
23:34
Speaker 2: certainly in my town in Arizona, that had a little
23:38
Speaker 2: different opinion about your football team than you did. Yeah,
23:41
Speaker 2: the truth of the matter was that that if you didn't,
23:45
Speaker 2: if you weren't a Sea Hawk fan and didn't grow
23:47
Speaker 2: up a Seahawk fan and didn't fall in love with
23:49
Speaker 2: that team. And I understand why you did. Incredible players,
23:54
Speaker 2: several Hall of famers on that team, you know, they
24:00
Speaker 2: that team should have been a dynasty in my opinion,
24:02
Speaker 2: But most of the country.
24:04
Speaker 1: Couldn't stand the Seahawks.
24:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, couldn't take him, couldn't take the Marshawn Lynch, even
24:08
Speaker 2: though I now get why you love him.
24:10
Speaker 1: So much after being around him.
24:13
Speaker 2: But I couldn't understand it when I lived states away
24:16
Speaker 2: why he was loved so much. Sherman obviously was a
24:20
Speaker 2: huge talker, and I think even made Seahawks fans uncomfortable
24:24
Speaker 2: at times. Earl had his issues, Russell had his issues. Certainly,
24:30
Speaker 2: it wasn't the most liked team from coast to coast
24:34
Speaker 2: unlike this one.
24:36
Speaker 6: Yeah.
24:37
Speaker 2: I think this is about as likable a team as
24:41
Speaker 2: you could have at the football level. And it's not
24:44
Speaker 2: just because I've been here ten years and I'm flying
24:46
Speaker 2: the banner and flying the sigil and wearing the colors
24:50
Speaker 2: and now I'm a Seahawk fan. I try my damnedest
24:55
Speaker 2: to approach this job unbiased.
24:58
Speaker 1: I really do.
24:59
Speaker 2: Whether it comes cross us or not, I'm not the
25:01
Speaker 2: one I guess to judge me, But my goodness, is
25:05
Speaker 2: this team likable. From the conversation we just had about
25:07
Speaker 2: Gray's abel and Jalen Sundell, I mean we have a
25:10
Speaker 2: starting a possible offensive rookie of the year type left
25:14
Speaker 2: guard who still thinks he's a farmer. First, I'm a farmer,
25:19
Speaker 2: and then I'm an NFL on the side, I played
25:22
Speaker 2: offensive guard. And then his best buddy is his center,
25:27
Speaker 2: who plays right next to him, who came from the
25:30
Speaker 2: same college where they were roommates and had to eat
25:33
Speaker 2: top ramen and a lot of it to maintain three
25:35
Speaker 2: hundred Ernest Jones like sitting there after the Super Bowl
25:41
Speaker 2: playing with his kid, you know, in the confetti, and
25:45
Speaker 2: yet arguably the toughest guy out there always has his
25:49
Speaker 2: team's back.
25:50
Speaker 6: Yep.
25:51
Speaker 1: Love the way that he talks.
25:53
Speaker 2: To the media and drops the f bombs and you know,
25:55
Speaker 2: just straight right to the point.
25:58
Speaker 1: I love that about him.
26:00
Speaker 2: Williams and Julian Love, I mean openly have thanked the
26:04
Speaker 2: Seahawks for bringing them to Seattle. How many veterans do that? Yeah,
26:08
Speaker 2: And these are two guys that are self aware, aware
26:11
Speaker 2: of their surroundings, Like, man, you guys really did us
26:15
Speaker 2: a favor, thank you for bringing us here. DeMarcus Lawrence
26:18
Speaker 2: sort of the same way that he's acted. Sam Darnold,
26:21
Speaker 2: the guy of unflappable confidence and unwaiverable kindness JSN. I
26:27
Speaker 2: don't know there's a more enjoyable football player to watch
26:30
Speaker 2: in the world than Jackson Smith and Jigba. And the
26:33
Speaker 2: way that every analyst who might call his game for
26:36
Speaker 2: the first time just sits there with their jaw dropped open.
26:39
Speaker 2: I think he might be the most fun player to
26:41
Speaker 2: watch play football in the entire NFL. Spoon and Emon Warri,
26:45
Speaker 2: I mean toughness, instincts, versatility, even the way that the
26:49
Speaker 2: rookie Emon Woarri told Rik Wooland we don't play that way.
26:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, get your act together.
26:55
Speaker 2: Drake Thomas and Tyokatta guys who I thought literally stunk
27:00
Speaker 2: as football players, and look what they have contributed by
27:03
Speaker 2: getting better every single week. I mean, tyle Katta was
27:07
Speaker 2: huge to this team, filling in the gaps. And Drake
27:09
Speaker 2: Thomas is still the starting linebacker.
27:12
Speaker 1: On this football team.
27:14
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup the guy, the Eastern Washington local kid who
27:18
Speaker 2: became Super Bowl MVP and then returns home and ends
27:22
Speaker 2: up being you know, like Caine from Kung Fu, imparting
27:26
Speaker 2: his wisdom wherever he goes with this self awareness and
27:30
Speaker 2: this this unbelievable selflessness that he operates with. Even Aj
27:37
Speaker 2: Barner with his swagger. He's considered the guy with the
27:39
Speaker 2: most swagger on the entire football team.
27:41
Speaker 1: From what I understand, I love his version of swagger.
27:44
Speaker 1: I love it.
27:45
Speaker 2: I mean this is a really difficult team not to like.
27:50
Speaker 2: So the first team that the last team that made
27:53
Speaker 2: it to the Super Bowl was an easy team for
27:56
Speaker 2: people across the country not to like. This team is
27:59
Speaker 2: so impossible not to like from the coaches and everything else.
28:03
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just been a fun ride. And it's
28:06
Speaker 2: not just because.
28:06
Speaker 1: They're good guys. They got great spirit.
28:09
Speaker 2: They're also incredibly talented, incredibly good at their jobs, and
28:15
Speaker 2: they're also team guys. Team guys first. What John Schneider's
28:19
Speaker 2: done to put this group together is going to be
28:21
Speaker 2: studied for the rest of history, because I just think
28:24
Speaker 2: it's one of the most enjoyable, likable teams to have
28:27
Speaker 2: watched for.
28:28
Speaker 3: A season in my entire lifetime. Well, I'm with you
28:31
Speaker 3: on about ninety nine percent of that. The folks that
28:34
Speaker 3: you're talking about, there's but we don't need to focus
28:37
Speaker 3: on that. I love a lot of the players on
28:40
Speaker 3: this team, the way that they go about their business.
28:42
Speaker 1: I mean, it starts. It starts at the coach, right.
28:45
Speaker 3: I think the way Mike McDonald just approaches it, the
28:48
Speaker 3: way in which he comes across with a kind of
28:51
Speaker 3: a soft spoken confidence for such a young coach, a
28:55
Speaker 3: first time coach, trickles down through it. It's the idea
28:59
Speaker 3: of of when you know people were calling from other teams,
29:03
Speaker 3: when you know when Cooper cup is getting a phone
29:08
Speaker 3: call and he's talking to talking to Ernest Jones, and
29:13
Speaker 3: I do we're at on the cusp of this thing,
29:14
Speaker 3: and I mean, we're out on the customer going to
29:16
Speaker 3: super Bowl like that to me is coming from leadership.
29:19
Speaker 3: That's It's not that leadership told him to say it.
29:21
Speaker 3: He's feeling that we're on the cusp of something big here,
29:25
Speaker 3: and so that kind of permeates throughout the whole, the
29:27
Speaker 3: whole squad. And I do think that there's a lot
29:29
Speaker 3: of I don't know, if you want to say underdogs.
29:31
Speaker 3: A guy like Gray's Abel and Jennis Hundell. We just
29:33
Speaker 3: talked to one of his coaches. Those guys, for sure
29:37
Speaker 3: are right. You just don't see typically two guys from
29:40
Speaker 3: the same program, a small program like that, even though
29:43
Speaker 3: they're really good at that level. You just don't typically
29:45
Speaker 3: see two of those guys anchoring and taking what was
29:49
Speaker 3: the weakness, if you will, for the last decade and
29:51
Speaker 3: turn it into something that most certainly hasn't been talked
29:54
Speaker 3: about as a weakness and playing in the Super Bowl
29:56
Speaker 3: and leading a team to, you know, be viewed as
29:59
Speaker 3: probably the best team in the NFL at this point
30:00
Speaker 3: in time. I think the Sam Darnold effect of a
30:04
Speaker 3: comeback story that you know you're getting Act two, or
30:07
Speaker 3: maybe it's Act two and a half. If if Act
30:10
Speaker 3: two started in Minnesota after the failure when he first
30:13
Speaker 3: came out of college, that's awesome. You're right about Jackson
30:15
Speaker 3: Smith and Jigba. I mean, there's a you gotta have
30:18
Speaker 3: swagger in this game. You gotta have There's there's so
30:21
Speaker 3: much emotion that goes into.
30:23
Speaker 1: It that you gotta have that you want it.
30:27
Speaker 3: There's a line that's basically where I think there's a
30:30
Speaker 3: line that doesn't need to be crossed of where it's
30:34
Speaker 3: more than emotion, it is taunting, or it is it's
30:37
Speaker 3: being over the top.
30:38
Speaker 1: I can that's it, and then we can deal with
30:42
Speaker 1: one little problem.
30:43
Speaker 6: It seems like his teammates are gonna.
30:44
Speaker 3: Be Yeah, well, I think Devin Witherspoon, I think keeps
30:48
Speaker 3: it in check.
30:49
Speaker 2: You can't not have swagger and play defensive back in
30:51
Speaker 2: the National Football League.
30:53
Speaker 1: You got to be that guy a line. I think
30:56
Speaker 1: there's a line.
30:56
Speaker 3: I don't think you have to be all over the top,
30:59
Speaker 3: and that's a time I see guys that are over top,
31:01
Speaker 3: but you come up make a hit when it's first
31:03
Speaker 3: and you know, first down and guy runs for eight
31:06
Speaker 3: yards and you make a good hit and get up
31:07
Speaker 3: and stand over him a little bit. I don't like
31:09
Speaker 3: that sort of thing, but I agree you have to
31:12
Speaker 3: have That's why I started off by saying, I think
31:13
Speaker 3: you got to have some of that swagger. I think
31:15
Speaker 3: Rashid Shaheed is a great ad. I think he brings
31:17
Speaker 3: something to the table and he knows it, and the
31:20
Speaker 3: team knows that he's kind of an X factor and
31:23
Speaker 3: spark plug, so to speak.
31:24
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think the majority of this team
31:26
Speaker 1: is crazy likable.
31:28
Speaker 5: It's interesting because, yeah, when you talk started talking about
31:31
Speaker 5: the team that went to the Super Bowl back to back,
31:34
Speaker 5: I would fully agree. I felt like I constantly had
31:36
Speaker 5: to defend people, you know, and your own.
31:39
Speaker 1: Kids, no matter how much trouble.
31:41
Speaker 6: That's what I would say.
31:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would hate him, hate them if they were
31:44
Speaker 5: on other teams, and I understand why people didn't like them,
31:48
Speaker 5: But you know, you've you felt like.
31:50
Speaker 6: Well, I got to defend them.
31:51
Speaker 5: These are my guys, you know, I love them, And yeah,
31:53
Speaker 5: and now I don't feel like I have to defend anyone,
31:56
Speaker 5: and even you know, to bring up the Reek well in.
31:58
Speaker 6: Situation, I don't feel like I have to.
32:00
Speaker 5: I think that his team's going to put him in
32:02
Speaker 5: check and they're going to figure it out, and he's not,
32:04
Speaker 5: you know, and if he doesn't learn, he'll be gone.
32:07
Speaker 6: So it's you know, I'm not that worried about it.
32:09
Speaker 2: I just think the old one bad apple doesn't And
32:12
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a bad no.
32:13
Speaker 1: I think he just has an issue.
32:15
Speaker 6: I just think he gets too emotional, can't keep it
32:17
Speaker 6: in check.
32:17
Speaker 5: Ye Again, I do think this time might be different
32:19
Speaker 5: because his teammates got in his ear about it, and
32:22
Speaker 5: I think that's where it could make the difference.
32:24
Speaker 6: But I just think you look at the scene. Nothing
32:26
Speaker 6: they say seems rehearsed.
32:28
Speaker 5: It's just it's just who they are, and they are
32:31
Speaker 5: so genuinely happy to all be playing with each other
32:33
Speaker 5: and so supportive of each other, and that's the fun
32:36
Speaker 5: thing to watch.
32:36
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's start with MacDonald.
32:38
Speaker 2: I do think it starts with John Schneider, because I
32:40
Speaker 2: do think that he pours that into his evaluation.
32:44
Speaker 1: He wants guys that love ball.
32:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he wants guys with character and he wants
32:50
Speaker 2: guy you know, not everybody.
32:52
Speaker 1: A lot of people just want to Pete just wanted talent.
32:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's going to figure out the personality thing,
32:57
Speaker 5: like I can.
32:58
Speaker 6: Coach anybody, don't worry about me, and that's why.
33:02
Speaker 5: Yeah.
33:03
Speaker 2: And then eventually, yeah, you did a great job keeping
33:06
Speaker 2: that group together, but even you couldn't keep it together.
33:10
Speaker 2: Where John Schneider's like, why do I want to put
33:12
Speaker 2: that on Mike McDonald. I can get talented players who
33:15
Speaker 2: loved the ball and look out for their teammates and
33:18
Speaker 2: have great character. And what we've seen in the last
33:20
Speaker 2: three drafts is why we're having this conversation here to agreed.
33:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, so see I told you, yeah, thank you.
33:27
Speaker 6: I was worried is this gonna go?
33:30
Speaker 1: All right?
33:31
Speaker 4: Yeah?
33:31
Speaker 2: It was just my way of talking about how likable
33:34
Speaker 2: this football team is. I mean, well just even above
33:37
Speaker 2: and beyond how good they are. I mean, he's gotta
33:40
Speaker 2: start there, but very likable football team. Love this this
33:45
Speaker 2: team all right? Coming up next it's vote Gate And
33:49
Speaker 2: some people offered some explanations that.
33:52
Speaker 1: I wonder if they sound reasonable to you.
33:54
Speaker 2: Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ R FM vote gate.
33:58
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick was denied entry into the Hall of Fame
34:01
Speaker 2: on the very first ballot. Turns out there are a
34:03
Speaker 2: lot of legendary coaches that did not get in on
34:06
Speaker 2: the first ballot, Bill Walsh, Joe Gibbs, and others, so
34:10
Speaker 2: maybe this isn't all that crazy. Also, something else happened yesterday.
34:16
Speaker 2: One of the people who didn't vote for Bill Belichick
34:19
Speaker 2: raised his hand and said, why, and it doesn't sound
34:23
Speaker 2: like people.
34:23
Speaker 1: Are all that angry with him.
34:24
Speaker 2: After hearing his explanation, Kansas City Star columnist and longtime
34:29
Speaker 2: reporter Vaja Grigorian, who's a very bright, very great, very
34:33
Speaker 2: good journalist, very bright guy, said, well, it's not like
34:37
Speaker 2: I voted against Bill Belichick. The system is set up
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Speaker 2: that I had to vote for three of five guys
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Speaker 2: on the ballot, and three of them were only going
34:47
Speaker 2: to have this one last opportunity to be on the ballot,
34:51
Speaker 2: Roger Craig Else Greenwood and Ken Anderson, and I feel
34:57
Speaker 2: they're Hall of famers, and I wanted to do my
35:00
Speaker 2: part to try to get them into the Hall of
35:03
Speaker 2: Fame since it was their last opportunity, and I knew
35:06
Speaker 2: that Belichick's gonna get in eventually, and so I did
35:09
Speaker 2: prioritize trying to help guys get in that were on
35:12
Speaker 2: the ballot for the final time versus somebody that was
35:15
Speaker 2: just starting the process. And everybody heard that explanation and
35:19
Speaker 2: we're like, Okay, I guess I kind of get that. Yeah, yeah,
35:24
Speaker 2: I mean I still think it's your job and a
35:27
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame vote to vote for the three of
35:29
Speaker 2: the five best on the ballot, and whatever harm that does,
35:33
Speaker 2: then it does. I think that's your responsibility. But I
35:37
Speaker 2: guess I do sort of buy that logic and that
35:40
Speaker 2: reasoning that somebody said, Hey, if we could just vote
35:43
Speaker 2: yes or no, I would have voted for Bill Belichick.
35:45
Speaker 2: That's not the way it's set up. I had five guys,
35:48
Speaker 2: I could only vote for three, and I wanted to
35:50
Speaker 2: vote for the three that had the last chance of
35:52
Speaker 2: getting into the Hall of Fame on this ballot.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: When I realized that that is the process, and I
35:59
Speaker 3: knew that there was something about it that was funky
36:01
Speaker 3: like that, But when you hear about that, it's you
36:03
Speaker 3: only can vote for three, and then some of them
36:06
Speaker 3: this might be their last chance. Then I can see
36:08
Speaker 3: why you would go that route. Now, that still doesn't
36:11
Speaker 3: mean it's not horrendously wrong for him to not be
36:16
Speaker 3: voted in. But yes, he recognizes that this this guy
36:20
Speaker 3: you're talking about, recognizes he's going to get in. He's
36:22
Speaker 3: not there's no way that he's not going to. Even
36:24
Speaker 3: if even if some people didn't vote or didn't not
36:29
Speaker 3: vote for him because they don't like him or they
36:33
Speaker 3: thought he was mean to the med, even if there
36:34
Speaker 3: was some reasons that shouldn't be played or wayed into
36:38
Speaker 3: the decision, he's going to get in at some point
36:41
Speaker 3: in time. And so if it's this you have to
36:43
Speaker 3: in order to vote for him, you essentially have to
36:44
Speaker 3: take a vote away from someone else that just shouts
36:47
Speaker 3: from the mountaintops.
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Speaker 1: There's something wrong with the way in which you're doing.
36:50
Speaker 3: It, the way he's doing it, the way the processes,
36:54
Speaker 3: there's something wrong about the process. If if it's if
36:57
Speaker 3: you can't say, you know, what these it's our last chance,
37:01
Speaker 3: you know, and you know, maybe they didn't deserve to
37:03
Speaker 3: get on it until now, but they are worthy of
37:06
Speaker 3: being Hall of famers. And yet if I vote for
37:09
Speaker 3: a for sure guy like Bill Belichick, then I have
37:12
Speaker 3: to take that vote away from somebody else. That doesn't
37:15
Speaker 3: make any sense now. I mean, I get if you
37:17
Speaker 3: don't want to have too many people going into the
37:20
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, but you also don't want to have
37:22
Speaker 3: your process where it's limiting people from going into the
37:25
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame or rightfully giving first ballot Hall of
37:28
Speaker 3: famers the recognition that they deserve.
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Speaker 1: I don't think.
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Speaker 2: I think the solution is you can't have the coach
37:34
Speaker 2: slash contributor on the same ballot with like a committee
37:40
Speaker 2: of guys who do have the last chance of getting in.
37:43
Speaker 2: Put them on a ballot by themselves, and if they
37:45
Speaker 2: don't get the eighty percent of the vote on a
37:47
Speaker 2: ballot by themselves, then so be it. Why is Bill
37:50
Speaker 2: Belichick even on a ballot with those guys? Why is
37:54
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft on a ballot with those other guys? The
37:57
Speaker 2: system's broken. They know the system's broke, and they're going
38:00
Speaker 2: to do something this offseason to fix it. This is
38:03
Speaker 2: a monster controversy and it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to the
38:08
Speaker 2: NFL to be in this situation, and so I think
38:11
Speaker 2: it is going to force change. I don't think it's
38:14
Speaker 2: going to affect Tom Brady's candidacy. By the way, I
38:18
Speaker 2: think that anybody that doesn't vote for Tom Brady after
38:21
Speaker 2: this might be might be sent out of the country.
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Speaker 2: But I guess, after, you know, twelve hours after the show,
38:29
Speaker 2: of listening to different analysis out there, I sort of
38:32
Speaker 2: get where Grigorian is coming from, and our anger should
38:36
Speaker 2: be just focused on the process itself and maybe not
38:39
Speaker 2: the individual so much. All right, twelve Man Roundtable comes
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