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Episode 90: How to raise considerate humans (without nagging or lectures) · The Habit Lab

• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: We all have areas in our life we might feel stuck or overwhelmed.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: So join me, Jenna Zint, habit coach, teacher, and follower of Jesus, as we go after little bits of better by building offensively small habits that create big impact.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: This is the Habit Lab Podcast.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, welcome to Habit Lab.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: We had a little bit of a hiatus there.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: Ironically, I I was traveling.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: I got to go speak in Austin, Texas.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Anna and her church, True Life Church.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: She's a friend, actually, the she's the pastor.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: She's take her and her husband took over the church a couple years ago.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I have known her for almost 15 years.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: And she was telling when I was getting up to speak, she was giving an introduction about our history.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: This is very funny.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: And she talked about how we knew each other single, and then well, she started to date her husband, and then um she I also was the wedding coordinator at their wedding.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I flew down to be at their wedding and I coordinated it.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: But the funny part was she then said, and then my husband was their roommates for a few months.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like shocked, and I was like, no, that never happened.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then she began to explain how the summer before they got married, his lease was up.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: So we let him move into our guest bedroom for three months before they got married.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: And all of a sudden, I was like, oh, that did happen.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: But it was one of the most bizarre experiences to have someone else tell you about something in your life that you did not remember until they started, started elaborating.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, is this our future, guys?
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, not remembering things until people tell you about them.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: But, anyways, it was so great to be with her.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's a bunch of fiery women who love the Lord and are in tune with the Holy Spirit.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, it was really cool for me.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, obviously, every time I speak, I want to make sure it's not just my ideas or what I think I should talk about.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: I, you know, pray with the Holy Spirit.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: And the interesting part, one of the things I like repeat as I'm writing, as I because it takes hours, hours.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: It feels like it takes me days, maybe a couple hour segments over days to write a sermon.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: But as I'm doing it, I always try to recalibrate myself.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like it sounds silly, but my little self-talk is this isn't a TED talk.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want them to just have quotable quotes or simply learn from my words or be inspired.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, Holy Spirit, what are you doing so I can partner with what you want to release versus I don't know, a TED talk.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: And it sounds like a silly delineation, but it just helps me stay in sync while doing something very practical, like literally message prepping.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so that's my prayer over normal periods of time.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this time the coolest thing happened, and while I was in the middle of message prepping, I had a dream, which I actually don't dream very much.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: I always tease with the Holy Spirit that I am awake 16 hours a day.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: He is welcome to talk to me liberally during those 16 hours.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: But if he could reserve speaking to awake hours, I already struggle with sleep a little bit, so I feel like when I get like really heavy prophetic words, or not even heavy as in bad, but it just disrupts my sleep.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, that being said, so when I do have a prophetic dream or something like that, it's it is very significant.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I woke up the night, I think it was like a week before I was message prepping, or at least a few days before, and I woke, I had been prepping the night before, and I had a dream about the Holy Spirit told me a parable of the Bible to include in my sermon, and then the Lord, like Holy Spirit said, and interact with it this way, have them think about it through this lens, like almost like a an encounter through it, and then this line kept repeating, and then the goal of the encounter is to this line.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: This is your takeaway line that tags it all into the message, and I just woke up repeating this like line repeatedly in my my spirit.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: It was so cool because I'm like, well, now I feel a little spoiled.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, Holy Spirit, can you do that every time?
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it did help me because I think sometimes when I go in these to speak, I'm like, did I hear the Lord?
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: I hope this is what they need to hear.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like all those things.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: Where now it was like, I felt so like, well, this is the Lord.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was my whole sermon was about uprooting self-consciousness and how most of us don't realize that some politeness or um being considerate or not wanting to inconvenience people is actually a flavor of being self-conscious and it hinders our obedience to the Lord.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: So like maybe we're connected to the Lord and hear something, a word, or feel like he's leading us to do something.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: But then after that, so it's like we're full of the spirit and we hear him, but this it's almost like a kink in our hose of self-consciousness that stops us from flowing or acting, and it's like delayed obedience or just disobedience, how often self-conscious thwarts us.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I would, and that's just a very specific message that I would not have led with at someone else's church.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: But because of this like Holy Spirit encounter in this dream, it was really cool to be like so rooted, like, okay, this is a little odd in left field, but I care more about being obedient than wondering if they're gonna be like all specific.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay, Holy Spirit.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: And it was cool, got a lot of good, like a couple people were like, dude, that was absolutely read my mail and what I needed.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, okay, thank you, Holy Spirit.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: Can you do it again?
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: Can we make sure all of our messages are aligned, you know, with what you're saying?
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: So that was so cool.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: So this week we're actually gonna talk.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: This podcast episode is about something we've been gonna, I've been going after with my kids.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: I call it consideration points.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: And to give you a little backstory of the origin story of how this all came out, um, is I in February I got to go speak at a conference in um Oklahoma.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Durant and all my Oklahomies.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: And while I was there, they had phenomenal leadership.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: It was really cool because the original people who had founded the church, who are maybe in their like 70s, had passed it to their kids and their cousins and the next, how let's just say this, the next generational leadership has been in up and running for about five years, and they were all our age.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then as I got to know them better, because it was one church that had it was at a main church, but they have 10 churches in their network.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: So all of those leaders were there.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it was like 10 women, mostly half of them were about my age as senior leaders to all these churches.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: So like hearing their stories, so many of them were sisters or cousins, or their sister was the worship pastor, and watching them like not, you know, truly enjoy each other, no bitterness, like work well together, honor each other, but what watch them have like honest moments and hard feedback, not like crazy, they wouldn't be, you know, inappropriately confront each other, but like, hey, do you think we could go longer on this?
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: Or last night it went like this.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: What can we edit?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm feeling the Lord on, or okay, I'm feeling like it wasn't like a false, shiny surface level agreeableness, if that makes sense.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I just was like blown away by their culture.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, man, I do not see a bunch of siblings or cousins or best friends, I would say let's say, let's say family members working this well together on this this long length of time.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: And when that you'd hear them talk about each other, it was just like, it was just beautiful.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like they were really honor and respect each other.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how is this fruit?
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, where is this fruit?
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: So whenever I find one of my habits is whenever I experience the fruit of something like that, I know that there was a root of a child, like of culture in their family home, which usually I'm assuming there's some habits there to establish culture because culture is not in words alone, culture gets lived out and realized by actions, you know?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's one thing I'm sure you've all been part of either a camp or a group or uh I don't know, worked for someone that said their culture was one thing, like it was on paper in the handbook, or they'd recite it, but what you'd experience as the actual culture was very different.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: So when I that's what I'm talking about, when I experienced actual culture versus what people say their culture, I'm like, okay, tell me what you did to produce this fruit.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I was asking them, I was like, why did y'all like I just complimented them?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: What I was seeing, I was like, what did your parents do to emphasize this kind of culture?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it's funny, I don't know if any of you do this, like ask people about these.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: People don't have most people don't have answers top of mind.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: They then have to think and kind of engage because a lot of times it was not so blatant, it was just buried in the framework of how their house operated.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: So they thought about it for a bit.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think we they even gave me answers over the course of the day.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: But one of the things they said, one of the sisters was like, Well, I don't know that it was one thing, but our parents really emphasized considering each other, including your siblings, that's scripture um in Philippians, which I'll read in a second, but they really emphasized the value in considering other people above yourself.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: So it helped us not be so self-oriented, therefore not as offendable or noticing what we wanted, but it made us think of the whole family unit and other people as much as I was aware of what I wanted or what was happening to me.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, and it just made us see them, value them, see their strengths in a way that like I think it just shifted our culture and my respect for them.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, and while they were sharing, which um I did finally write down the verse ahead of time.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: This comes out of Philippians 2, 3.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think this is ESV.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: Do not let selfish ambition do nothing.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: I forgot that part.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Do nothing out of selfish ambition.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: Rather, consider others higher than yourself, right?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: Or more significant than yourself.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think I accidentally combined ESV and then two two two paraphrases there.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: But anyways, when they said this, they had taught our parents taught us to consider each other, not just ourselves.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: It was like ding ding ding, and I felt like the Holy Spirit emphasized like it literally felt like red letters, you know, when you're reading the Bible.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's how sometimes I articulate feeling Holy Spirit.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, this is it, zone in.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: We let's go back to the Zent House and take and figure out a habit to introduce the idea of considering others in our family culture.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things, if you didn't listen to my last episode, I was talking about how often the difference between what we're building versus self-help culture is we have the Holy Spirit for insights, for strategies.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: So this was not necessarily some a problem I was looking to solve, but when when they were speaking and they said this like consider each other thing, it was like, this is it, we need this, take it home, Holy Spirit.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, okay, I didn't even know we needed this, but yes, sir.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so then fast forward, I'm getting home.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm actually on the way home, so I'm like just processing with the Lord, like what would it look like to introduce a habit that would feed root a root system of consideration and thoughtfulness for other other people?
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I the Lord reminded me of my dad growing up, really went after in high school us not using sarcasm.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: So we had a jar, and every time we were sarcastic, anyone, him or or us, we had to put a quarter in the jar.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: But what I think he did really well, which is an interesting twist on this, and maybe doesn't quite logically make sense, as in like yeah, consequences and outcome, but what he accidentally utilized was almost like habit tracking.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: So what would happen is everybody would be accountable to not being sarcastic.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then my parents were divorced at this point.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: So it was my dad, my brother, and I would be accountable.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: So we got to, if my dad did it, he would put a quarter in, but it didn't feel punitive.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was literally just bringing awareness to sarcasm.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: And if we put a quarter in, what at by the time what we used the money for, by the time we got enough, we got to go out to ice cream as a family.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: So again, cause and effect doesn't make sense as you know, as a consequence.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: But the positive part was that no one was mean or unkind when we were pointing out that they were sarcastic because it was a notice.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then because we got a quarter towards ice cream, I wasn't mad if my brother pointed it out.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't like he was calling me out or tattletaling.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, ah, you're right, I did.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it created this culture of we're weeding it out as a family versus telling on each other or punitive.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then even my dad putting himself in there made it not like a again, like a controlled parent thing.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a family culture teamwork, which I really, really loved.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I felt like the Lord was like, do that with this consideration thing.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: And um, actually, side note, I've said it before, but one of my favorite things I actually love that my dad did that growing up because it's made he used to say when he was like casting the vision for why sarcasm's not helpful, he was like, the Jenkins, because that's what my maiden name was, Jenna Jenkins.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: The Jenkins don't need to use other people to be the butt of their jokes.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: The Jenkins uplift people with their words.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: The Jenkins can be funny without it being at someone else's expense.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: The Jenkins, if they don't have anything nice to say, they're gonna opt to say nothing at all.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that was from Bambi.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: That would be often what was recited.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: And it really, really helped me because even as an adult now, I think of sarcasm as cheap humor.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I meh, I was gonna say, do I feel judgmental?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: I have to maybe notice that as I'm saying this.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: But when other people use it, I'm like, I don't usually laugh.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, I'd rather them do something witty, make an intelligent remark, a play on words, or be their be their own joke than use someone else.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost like a casualty for the sake of a laugh.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think of it like chasing a laugh.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: So that my dad's like kind of habit tracking thing totally has impacted me for decades.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna use that system for consideration.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I introduced it to the kids and I explained, I gave them like the history about how awesome those women were and how great they were as sisters, and how I was like, I think I'm gonna go after figuring that out as our family.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: So the real basic was every time one of them did something considerate for each other, I downloaded a a free habit tracker.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was literally called habit, because I know I needed it on my phone to track it and I needed it with me.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: And when they did that, they would get we'd give them a consideration point, is what we've called these things.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: And y'all, and then I told them at the end, whenever we earn enough money, there's a really special little ice cream place in town.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's a local called Taste and See.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Emery.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we love their ice cream, and for Wesley's sake, they have some good dairy-free options.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so whenever we they got enough consideration points, which we equated them to like a quarter a point.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: So they needed 120 points for the whole family to go to ice cream.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they started noticing again what you notice grows your own awareness for other people.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: They started positively, almost like telling on each other, if that makes sense.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure we're not alone in having a house that's like they did this or they said fart or they're they have potty humor, mom, or those are the main, or they touched me, or he put his socks on my legs.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why I'm doing my Kermit the Frog.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's like a Muppet voice.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: But these are the common refrains that we usually get being told on each other.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: But in going after this, you know, in um habit formation, they talk about your brains being confirmation biased and what you're looking for, you notice, therefore it grows.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I was watching them go from telling on each other to noticing how each other was being thoughtful or considerate, and it was awesome, it was awesome.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: So we're about six weeks in.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: They already ordered or like won their first ice cream.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they will say, like Audrey will say, Mom, Wesley did my dishes for me because he knew this is a real life story in the last two weeks.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because he knew I was late getting up or I had like a diabetes thing.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, would you give him a consideration point?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Or sometimes they I would let them we had to work it out a little nuanced, but tell on themselves, like, hey mom, I noticed that Rosie's book bag was um still in the car.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: So when I went to grab mine, I brought hers in too.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't that considerate?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that was.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna give you a point.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other, the third thing we did is sometimes I would say, like, I would say Audrey, or if the one of the kids was tied up for a reason that was valid, um, and one of their chores would impact not get done and it impact all of us.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: I would say, like, wow, if um, if someone was willing to do Rosie's chore, whatever it was, fill in the blank, I would I'd be willing to give a consideration point because that would be so helpful for us to keep getting out of the door on time.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I would really appreciate how like um generous that I just use words and they would opt out.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like sometimes the other day I did that and no one took no one took the bait.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not all or nothing, but I would let those three things happen.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just this verbiage of saying, like, thank you for being considerate.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then one of the things they talk about in general with habit formation and identity stuff is like to elaborate on not just thanks for being considerate, but I would take it a step further about what it says about who they are and the fruit of it.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it's almost like naturally piggyed back to kind of like identity affirmation, if that makes sense.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: So Wesley, when he did Rosie's dish or Audrey's dishes that morning, I was like, I really appreciate that you're the kind of brother that would give a little time to his sister because you see that she's struggling.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, that's so kind, that's really generous.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I appreciate that you're the kind of brother that um is willing to delay getting his shoes on so that you know, whatever.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I would just I take the time if I can to roll it out a bit.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then they have access to my phone and they can track it.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: And y'all, it's been awesome.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: It has dramatically, we're like six weeks, uh seven weeks in now, dramatically shifted it.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: I actually just wanted to give y'all that tool.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: So whether it's like considerate or not, but if you want to go after shaping a character attribute in your family culture, choosing it, casting a vision for it, and then tracking it with some level of a happier reward could be a game changer.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then the last thing I was gonna say, so we've earned the ice cream, it might even have been two weeks ago.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, it was two weeks that they earned the ice cream.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, what in habit formation is imperative is after you get the initial reward, it is so easy, which sounds ironic, to not to lose steam at rebuilding.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I almost feel like this continuing momentum after you do earn one reward.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe you're training for a race, like a half marathon.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's super common for people to never train again because they're tired, they just accomplished it, they don't want to keep going, they wanted to do a one-off.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: So ironically, I have actually dialed in talking about consideration, consideration points more in the last two weeks because I watched their motivation wean.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I think old me would have been like hopeless, or like this is where it ends, or it was good once.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm like, oh no, this is this almost I think of it like a habit life cycle, you know, like the butterfly life cycle.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: They are caterpillars and they're cocoons and then they come out of their chrysalis as butterflies.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, this is like a life cycle of a habit.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: After the first one cocoon, we have to like I actually don't know how butterflies come out of a cocoon.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Don't you love it when I how often I choose analogies that I actually don't know the science behind how they work?
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're welcome, you guys.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: You're welcome.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, my point is part of the habit life cycle is knowing that after you reach the first reward, you actually have to be more diligent because it's when they could die the most easy because it's like almost like you're back to zero.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: So motivation's lower and you just got the reward.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I'm just I don't feel afraid, nor am I backing off reminding them, like, oh Wesley, that was so considerate.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just throwing considerate out.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm asking if anyone wants to do this considerate.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: And they've earned a few points or when they've done things that, you know, um no one asked for, they're less motivated and tracking each other currently in this phase, but I'm not afraid of it, nor do I think it's gonna fail.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: I just know this is a a life cycle stage or a stage in the life cycle of habits, um, which I should do a podcast about that at some point.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: That'd be cool.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: So if you are looking to dial in culture some level in your family, I would suggest this where it's a corporate reward system.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: There's some level of a habit tracker with a positive reward where everyone's got it buy-in and you're going after it as a family, and you cast vision for why it matters and why we're this kind of family.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then once the reward is, you know, picked and won, reminding remembering that the motivation will be lower.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it's gonna be up to you to continue and champion this.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: But you could do this on repeat for quite a few things.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I hope that encourages you.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: Have a great week, everybody.