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- 0:00So he writes in his memoir that his first drink was at 14, and
- 0:03from that moment he felt complete.
- 0:06But the big pivotal moment, and I think a lot of people with
- 0:09opiate addiction can relate to this, he had a jet ski accident
- 0:13in 1997 and he was prescribed Vicodin.
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- 0:44You are no longer alone. All right, today on Recovering
- 1:05Out Loud, I'm going to do something a little bit
- 1:07different. I wanted to start a People We
- 1:10Lost to Soon series where I talk about people in the public eye
- 1:15and their struggles with addiction.
- 1:18And if you've ever watched Friends, if you've ever watched
- 1:22Matthew Perry act, he was a really funny actor, beloved as
- 1:28Chandler on Friends. And you know, when I was in
- 1:32rehab with last time in January, I got a chance to read his
- 1:36memoir, which is incredible. If you haven't read it yet, I
- 1:39highly recommend it. So a lot of this information is
- 1:41going to be from his memoir. It's called Friends, Lovers and
- 1:49the Big Terrible Thing. So I recommend checking it out.
- 1:53He goes into detail about addiction and his struggles with
- 1:56addictions he's been to, he went to multiple rehabs.
- 2:01Unfortunately, as a lot of us know, he didn't make it out of
- 2:04addiction. And that's one of the reasons
- 2:06why I wanted to start these episodes.
- 2:09So let's dive into it. So we'll start with his early
- 2:13life. His name, his full name is
- 2:16actually Matthew Langford Perry. He was born on August 19th of
- 2:201969 in Massachusetts, and his parents divorced before his
- 2:26first birthday. So his mother, Susan or Suzanne,
- 2:31she was actually Canadian. So I'll shout out to all my
- 2:34Canadian friends and listeners. She worked in politics for Yeah,
- 2:40that's right, she worked. She was a press secretary for
- 2:43Pierre Trudeau at the time, Prime Minister of Canada at the
- 2:47time, and she worked in. So she lived in Ottawa and
- 2:51worked in as a press secretary. Like I said, his dad's name was
- 2:56John Bennett Perry and he was an actor and a model.
- 2:59He actually talked about it in quite in a lot of detail in his
- 3:02book. And his parents met on some talk
- 3:05show or she was in, she's a pageant queen in the Canadian
- 3:10side of things. So he grew up, Matthew Perry
- 3:12grew up mostly in in Ottawa. And he was raised mainly by his
- 3:15mom and his stepfather, who was a journalist, Keith Morrison,
- 3:19the guy from Dateline. So he talks about being a kid
- 3:23and having restless energy. He was mischievous.
- 3:27And he actually admitted to beating up Pierre Trudeau's son,
- 3:31who we a lot of us might know, the former Prime Minister, most
- 3:36recently former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
- 3:38And during the schoolyard days. So that's kind of funny.
- 3:41He actually kicked his ass. Matthew Perry really liked
- 3:44tennis. He became one of the top junior
- 3:47players in Canada, but then he moved to Los Angeles at the age
- 3:50of 15 to live with his dad. As probably any kid would.
- 3:55He didn't really pursue tennis. It's funny, he actually goes
- 3:58into quite a lot of detail in his book about riding on the
- 4:02plane alone and and how that really affected him down the
- 4:08road, being alone on an airplane and being filled with fear as a
- 4:13child because he did it quite a bit.
- 4:15So he moved to LA at 15 and then he wanted to, he wanted to
- 4:20become an actor, as most people who moved to LA want to do.
- 4:24He started with small roles, a show called Charles in Charge,
- 4:28Growing Pains and Sydney. But the story, so the story of
- 4:32him actually getting into friends and becoming Chandler
- 4:36Bing is actually sort of an act of Providence.
- 4:39It's it's a funny coincidence how it happened.
- 4:42I remember when I was reading it in rehab, I was actually quite
- 4:45blown away how it was supposed to go to someone else, the role
- 4:49and then it went to him. So I'll explain that a little
- 4:51bit. So originally, Perry was
- 4:54committed to another pilot of a show called LAX 2194.
- 4:59Ever heard of it? No, neither did I.
- 5:02So it was a kind of a weird idea for a show.
- 5:04It was about baggage handlers in the future.
- 5:08And then the project eventually fell through.
- 5:10He was free to audition. So he auditioned for the role of
- 5:14Chandler Bing. And it was actually funny.
- 5:17One of his one of his good friends, I'm blanking on the
- 5:22name right now. Originally he got cast for the
- 5:24role and Chandler was the last role to be cast in the show
- 5:27Friends. So one of his good buddies who's
- 5:30also an actor, obviously got cast for the role.
- 5:33And he had two roles to choose from at the time, this guy.
- 5:37And he actually called Matthew Perry and said, which one should
- 5:40I take? And Matthew Perry really wanted
- 5:42the role of Chandler. And he talks about in his book,
- 5:45he had a real internal battle where he wanted to tell him not
- 5:49to take Chandler from friends because he wanted that role.
- 5:53And he went with his, you know, better judgement and went with
- 5:56his heart and was a good friend and said, no, you should take
- 5:59the role of of Chandler from friends.
- 6:02And then his friend actually decided to take the other role
- 6:05of a different show. And then so the role was open
- 6:08for for Matthew Perry. It's sort of funny how that
- 6:11worked out and would end up essentially changing his entire
- 6:14life. He became extremely rich and
- 6:17famous from that role, as we all know.
- 6:20So Friends. The show Friends premiered in
- 6:211994 and in Chandler's one liner that a lot of you might know
- 6:26made him a fan favorite overnight.
- 6:28I don't watch the show that much, but I believe it's
- 6:30something like, can I be anymore uninterested or something like
- 6:35that? I'm probably butchering that.
- 6:36But so this is when he started to really battle the drug
- 6:39addiction and started to come into his life.
- 6:42So he writes in his memoir that his first drink was at 14.
- 6:45And from that moment, he felt complete.
- 6:48But the big pivotal moment, and I think a lot of people with
- 6:51opiate addiction can relate to this.
- 6:54He had a jet ski accident in 1997, and he was prescribed
- 6:59Vicodin, right? So he would start with the
- 7:02Vicodin for the pain, and then it escalated pretty quickly.
- 7:06He started taking 55 pills a day, as he talks about.
- 7:10So by his own count, he went to rehab 15 times.
- 7:14So if you're out there listening to this and you've been to rehab
- 7:16a lot, like there's people like you, you know, and you don't
- 7:20have to go out the way he went out.
- 7:21He spent over $9 million trying to get sober, right?
- 7:26Not just from rehabs, but from therapists and other types of
- 7:30addiction treatments. So he was hospitalized so many
- 7:33times that at one point his colon actually burst and he was
- 7:36put into a coma for two weeks. He talked about it in his book
- 7:39the the story of, oh, he was in extreme pain and he was trying
- 7:42to leave the current rehab that he was at.
- 7:44But they wouldn't let him leave because they deemed it as drug
- 7:48seeking behavior and, and they thought that he just wanted to
- 7:51go to the hospital to get opiates.
- 7:53So the guy at the treatment center actually stood in front
- 7:57of his car and wouldn't let his assistant who was driving at the
- 8:01time, he wouldn't let Matthew Perry and his assistant leave.
- 8:04Matthew Perry was in so much pain from his colon.
- 8:07He didn't know what at the time that his colon burst.
- 8:09But he would later find that out that he actually told his
- 8:12assistant just drive, run the guy over.
- 8:14And they got the guy jumped out of the way and they went to the
- 8:16hospital. So he was put into a coma for
- 8:19two weeks. He had 14 stomach surgeries and
- 8:22he lived with a colostomy bag for nine months.
- 8:26He makes a joke in his book about being full of shit.
- 8:30He was literally full of shit. Like his colon burst and
- 8:33exploded. Everybody almost died in that
- 8:35moment. Also all through this he was
- 8:37filming Friends and he he actually admits to not remember
- 8:41him filming 3 entire seasons of the show.
- 8:45He doesn't remember 3 full seasons.
- 8:48He actually talks about in his book as well where he says in
- 8:51the show when you go back and watch when he has a goatee, the
- 8:55facial hair, he has a goatee. That's when he was on opiates
- 8:59and heavily addicted to painkillers.
- 9:01And then when he doesn't you can tell the difference he looks
- 9:04completely different. He's sober when he doesn't have
- 9:06the goatee. So is the cast mate start to
- 9:09notice specifically Jennifer Aniston.
- 9:11She pulled him aside once and said, we know you're drinking.
- 9:15And he talks about how that moment stuck with him.
- 9:18It was the first time he realized that he couldn't hide
- 9:20it anymore. And other people started to
- 9:21notice. I think a lot of us can relate
- 9:23to that where it's like you're you're doing a good job, You're
- 9:26not hurting anyone else. You're hiding it.
- 9:28And then someone in your life comes up to you and says, hey,
- 9:30man, like you need some help, You have a problem.
- 9:33And this kind of you have the kind of experience where you're
- 9:36like, oh, man, I got to change because I got to do something
- 9:39about this. Because now it's not just
- 9:40affecting me, it's affecting people around me and people I
- 9:43love. So I find this extremely
- 9:46powerful and and I resonate a lot with with this, even though
- 9:50I didn't I wasn't addicted per SE to opiates.
- 9:53I did have my experience with them, but he talks about quote
- 9:57the first time I took Vicodin, it felt better than anything I'd
- 10:01ever experienced. And the problem was that feeling
- 10:04stayed with me. He actually talked about his
- 10:06book. He he likens it to your, when
- 10:10you take opiates, your blood, it feels like your blood is
- 10:15replaced with warm honey. That's how he described the
- 10:17feeling of opiates. I think a lot of us can relate
- 10:19to that, the sort of warm hug feeling.
- 10:21So Matthew dated Perry, dated quite a bit of incredible women.
- 10:26He dated Julia Roberts, Lizzy Kaplan.
- 10:29But he also he talks a lot about his fear of abandonment from his
- 10:33childhood and how it often sabotaged his relationships.
- 10:37He talks about how he uses humor as a shield to keep people out
- 10:42and keep people at a distance. So in 20, in 2022, Perry
- 10:47released his memoir that I talked about earlier heavily,
- 10:50highly. I recommend it quite heavily.
- 10:54That doesn't make any fucking sense.
- 10:56Just go and read it. It's called Friends, Lovers and
- 10:58the big terrible thing. So he wrote it entirely himself
- 11:02and it was his way of telling the truth before it was too
- 11:05late. Kind of ironic.
- 11:07Then in October of 2023, he passed away at 54 years old.
- 11:13So the autopsy later revealed acute ketamine effects as a
- 11:17factor. He turned his old Malibu mansion
- 11:19into Perry House, which was the sober living facility for men.
- 11:23And now he continues his mission through the Matthew Perry
- 11:26Foundation, which is amazing. He talks about in his book, the
- 11:29story about how he started that facility.
- 11:33He went in with a sponsor of his and then so the guy ended up
- 11:37taking his investment, Matthew Perry's investment, and
- 11:41disappearing. He talks about how that
- 11:42negatively affected him. So when he died, he drowned in
- 11:48his hot tub. He was in his hot tub on
- 11:50ketamine and he talks about how he was using ketamine from
- 11:54doctors but then he was this, I can relate to this a lot.
- 11:57He was getting prescribed ketamine and then he was doctor
- 12:00shopping and getting more pills and ketamine on the side.
- 12:05So the investigations revealed that his assistant, 2 doctors
- 12:08and producers were involved in supplying him ketamine for
- 12:12depression treatment. Some pleaded guilty, including
- 12:14they called this woman the Ketamine queen Jasmine Sanga and
- 12:18his dart. His death sparked legal and
- 12:21media scrutiny. So he began drinking at 14 and
- 12:24by 18, he was daily drinking. Like I said, the jet ski
- 12:27accident spent spun him into the world of opiates.
- 12:32It's funny that he says here he attended 6000A A meetings, 14
- 12:36stomach surgeries and had a colostomy bag and spent around
- 12:40$9 million trying to get sober. He had a lot of near death
- 12:44experiences throughout the time. So he talks about an episode in
- 12:47rehab in Switzerland where Pro for All administered before
- 12:51surgery stops his heart for 5 minutes, resulting in eight
- 12:54broken ribs due to CPR. So I think there's a lot to
- 12:58learn from the story and we definitely lost him to Sue.
- 13:01But I was really inspired by his story and his memoir, as you
- 13:06know, he wrote it with the intention of helping the still
- 13:10suffering addict and alcoholic, right?
- 13:11There's a lot of good stuff in there and a lot of hope, you
- 13:16know? But ultimately he got to a point
- 13:19where, in my opinion, he wasn't working some sort of recovery
- 13:22program and he was looking for that connection, right?
- 13:26He wasn't, you know, there. He talks a lot about isolation
- 13:29in his book being a factor. And I can relate to that.
- 13:31Being isolated is literally the key to addiction, like the the
- 13:36biggest fuel, the biggest catalyst to relapse an addiction
- 13:40is being separate from people, from a higher power and trying
- 13:44to do things on your own. This sort of isolation place
- 13:47that we get ourselves into. He talks about how he broke off
- 13:50engagements when he was sober because he worried he'd hurt his
- 13:53partners if he relapsed. Right, like this constant
- 13:57liability. And there's a quote in his book
- 13:59where he says when I die I don't want to be friends to be the
- 14:04first thing mentioned. I want helping others to be the
- 14:07first thing. Love that Matthew Perry made the
- 14:10world laugh. But the most powerful thing he
- 14:13left us isn't Chandler being sarcasm but his brutal honesty
- 14:17and authenticity. I highly recommend checking out
- 14:19this book. It's a great book for people in
- 14:23addiction. People struggling with an addict
- 14:24in their life give some real perspective and the fame side of
- 14:28things. He also talked about Bruce
- 14:31Willis being a huge party animal, which is hilarious.
- 14:33They did a movie together, which is also, you know, a big part of
- 14:37his success. And yeah, I mean, I really
- 14:41wanted to do this because I think it's a really interesting
- 14:44story and a different perspective on being famous and
- 14:48struggling with addiction. But it's all the same shit.
- 14:50You know, I could relate a lot to it, even though he's very
- 14:54different than I was. I am, I can relate a lot to the
- 14:58addiction and the feelings that he talks about in his book and,
- 15:00and what drugs did for him, right?
- 15:02This sense of ease and comfort that we, we start to do drugs
- 15:05and then we get this sense of ease and comfort that we need to
- 15:09find in sobriety, right? And to me today, the ease and
- 15:13comfort comes from my recovery program.
- 15:15It comes from doing this podcast, It comes from making
- 15:17content, doing the coaching, helping others.
- 15:21And ultimately, I don't want to go back out there, right?
- 15:24Like I want to stay on this side of the fence because it's a lot
- 15:27better. It's hard at times, but it's
- 15:29worth it. Thanks for listening today.
- 15:31I'm going to be doing a lot more of these episodes coming up.
- 15:34If you have any recommendations, shoot me a message of people you
- 15:37aren't lost too soon or people struggling with addiction.
- 15:40I'm thinking maybe Charlie Sheen, even though he's not,
- 15:44he's still alive. He has a Netflix documentary
- 15:46coming out, but let me know what you think.
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- 15:56day at a time. Thanks for listening.
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