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Report: Sherrone Moore Implicated In NCAA's Connor Stalions Investigation · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to a very special live episode of
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Speaker 1: Buckeyes Tomorrow Morning for Monday, August fifth. I'm your host,
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Speaker 1: Tom Moore. The Akron game in twenty six days, the
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Speaker 1: game against Michigan in one hundred and seventeen days. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna have to put all the excitement about the Akron
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Speaker 1: game to the side for a little bit. We have
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Speaker 1: some big news we've been waiting on for quite a while,
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Speaker 1: some news on the NCAA's investigation into the Connor Stallion's
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Speaker 1: affair and all of the related issues around that. A
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Speaker 1: report from ESPN Stan Murphy and Pete Thamilt laid out
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Speaker 1: in a bunch of information. But we're talking about that.
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Speaker 1: Tony Gerderbuckehuddle dot Com is here, and Tony, this is
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Speaker 1: one of these fascinating things which thankfully doesn't apply to
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Speaker 1: wider American society on the whole. Everyone looked at this
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Speaker 1: and everything, no matter where they were coming from. Tony,
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Speaker 1: this just proved that they were right all along.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, very much.
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Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 2: What you can do is, if you're defending Michigan, can
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Speaker 2: latch onto a particular line or line of thinking and
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Speaker 2: see see and say see. You know, we told you
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Speaker 2: while ignoring everything else going on, all of the other things.
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Speaker 2: And there's quite a lot in this report from ESPN
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Speaker 2: that is like it's related to stallions, but also there's
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Speaker 2: you know, an allegation that former linebackers coach Chris Partridge
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Speaker 2: urged a player or players to not be forthcoming about
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Speaker 2: the stallion's thing. And like there's layers to uh to
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Speaker 2: this onion in terms of what you're what you're looking for,
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Speaker 2: what you're finding, and sometimes the things that you're finding
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Speaker 2: aren't even what you're looking for, which is usually one
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Speaker 2: of the big dangers of having the NCAA start digging around.
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Speaker 1: And this is this is not the funal version of notations.
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Speaker 1: This is just and say the laws, don't worry. Don't worry.
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Speaker 1: We have new splies. We new by laws were not
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Speaker 1: big and rules more. We're talking inlay rules. So I
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Speaker 1: have some new bows to you. But let's start with
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Speaker 1: ease reports again. The report from uh Dan Murphy and
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Speaker 1: Pete uh Pete from ESPN. UH the new mission head
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Speaker 1: for one of set members from twenty twenty three football
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Speaker 1: accused of violating NCAA rules in a draft of the
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Speaker 1: NCAA's noticed valigations obtained by ESPN. The Draft, which could
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Speaker 1: be subject to change. States More could face a show
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Speaker 1: cause penalty and possibly a suspension for allegedly depleting a
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Speaker 1: thread of fifty two text messages with former Michigan staff
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Speaker 1: are Connor Stallions in October twenty twenty three, on the
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Speaker 1: same day that media reports revealed Stallions was a leading
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Speaker 1: was leading an effort to capture the play calling signals
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Speaker 1: of future opponents. The draft states of the text were
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Speaker 1: later recovered via quote device imaging unquote and more quote
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Speaker 1: subsequently produce them to enforcement staff close quote. More is
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Speaker 1: accused of committing a level two violation, according to the draft,
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Speaker 1: and you know, level two that is not the most serious.
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Speaker 1: That's level one. And there are plenty of folks facing
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Speaker 1: potential level one allegations. But you know, Tony, I think
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Speaker 1: when your first inclination when you hear a story is uh, oh,
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Speaker 1: I've got to delete fifty two text messages with this guy. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: I think I got mute. I got muted there. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, wait, when your first inclination is to delete
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Speaker 1: a text thread with someone that doesn't scream to me
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Speaker 1: lone wolf, that no one else knew what was happening,
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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's not conclusive proof of anything,
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Speaker 1: but that certainly is not what that's suggestive of to me.
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Speaker 2: I know, when I've deleted texts and text threads, it's
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Speaker 2: not because gosh, I hope these then you can't hear
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Speaker 2: me either. I'm I think I'm all set here, there
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Speaker 2: we go, got me now? Better? Now? All right? When
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Speaker 2: I've as I was saying, when I've deleted text threads
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Speaker 2: in the past, it's not because I was hoping I
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Speaker 2: would get caught with all of these great threads about
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Speaker 2: how nice I am about stuff. You know, it's like
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Speaker 2: if they are not that I've done this a lot,
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Speaker 2: but clearly this is the second paragraph of the story,
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Speaker 2: so it's something that is one of the main things here.
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Speaker 2: And the fact that, you know, I think one of
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Speaker 2: the important parts of this is that they did get
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Speaker 2: the information off of the text from what the texts say,
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Speaker 2: and I wonder if it was damning, would that also
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Speaker 2: be part of the notice of allegations as well? You know,
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Speaker 2: so I think it's interesting that these texts were deleted
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Speaker 2: but don't seem to maybe be damning. But then why
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Speaker 2: delete them? You know in the first place. So there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of conflicting thought processes going on with some
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Speaker 2: of this stuff, like, yes, it's damning to delete those texts,
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Speaker 2: but since they NCAA now has those texts and it's
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Speaker 2: not part of necessarily this first draft and maybe it
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Speaker 2: will be. I think that is interesting. Well.
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Speaker 1: And the other thing that is kind of the sixty
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Speaker 1: four thousand dollars question here is we're doing this off
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Speaker 1: of a report from ESPN about a draft of the
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Speaker 1: notice of allegation. So we haven't seen the notice allegations.
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Speaker 1: Presumably they have or have at least had it, you know,
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Speaker 1: summarized for them. But you know, the fact that it's
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Speaker 1: not in there doesn't necessarily mean that it was damning
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Speaker 1: or it wasn't damning. We just we don't know yet
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Speaker 1: because they didn't talk about the fact that it was
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Speaker 1: damming or it wasn't damning. It just that that was
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Speaker 1: that was you know. There were fifty two text messages
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Speaker 1: lead to bring it through. A quick super chat here
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Speaker 1: from Wayne Taylor Tony, I hope you got a chance
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Speaker 1: for the cold pizza. Do we get a full the
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Speaker 1: full ten hours of Tom's dissertation of this issue. You're
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Speaker 1: gonna get some You're gonna get some bylaws if that's
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Speaker 1: you know, if that's your thing, we will we will
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Speaker 1: get to those in just a minute. Tony. Did you
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Speaker 1: get a chance for the cold pizza?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I did have some pizza? And uh the question
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Speaker 2: from the previous show. We were doing our practice recap
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Speaker 2: Kevin and I and this dropped like towards the end,
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Speaker 2: and one of the I think a super chat came
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Speaker 2: in and said, Kevin, would you rather eat Burger King
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Speaker 2: or listen to Tom talk by laws for ten hours?
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Speaker 2: And he went with bylaws when I made sure that
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Speaker 2: at least one of those Burger King burgers had to
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Speaker 2: be an impossible whopper.
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Speaker 1: Mmm, well, you know that's that's I guess I will
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Speaker 1: take that. I'm going to count that as a win. Sure,
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Speaker 1: why not? So let's run through real quick some of
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Speaker 1: the other the other pieces of this the you know,
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Speaker 1: Suaran Moore took over obviously as Michigan's head coach in January.
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Speaker 1: Uh the report says that he could be considered a
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Speaker 1: quote repeat violator unquote by the NC double A because
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Speaker 1: of course he was part of the UH the investigation
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Speaker 1: last year that was sort of short shorthanded as cheeseburgers,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. But you know, he was he was negotiated he,
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Speaker 1: according to the story, negotiated resolution resolution to claims that
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Speaker 1: he contacted recruits during a COVID nineteen recruiting dead period. So,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think that's one of the things here
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Speaker 1: where when people are in a rush to tell you that, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is nothing and this is not going to go anywhere.
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Speaker 1: The fact that Michigan, you know, had the cheeseburgers, et
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Speaker 1: cetera thing, and that just got kind of settled in
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Speaker 1: a three year probation. But now they're setting up to
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Speaker 1: be a repeat violator. That feels like one of those
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Speaker 1: things that the people who are trying to handwave this
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Speaker 1: are you know, no one's really looking at that. And
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Speaker 1: the fact that that could be something that that changes
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Speaker 1: what the scope of a potential punishment could be here.
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Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, and there's there's the repeat violator thing.
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Speaker 2: There's also something Elison and I'm trying to scan through
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Speaker 2: the article just mentioned from the NCAA. This basically this
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Speaker 2: culture that is or this this habit of lack of
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Speaker 2: co operation, and it's going to continue because nobody, nobody
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Speaker 2: that Jim Harbaugh, Chris Partridge, Denard Robinson, they're talking in
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Speaker 2: kind of stallions that the four people they're talking about
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Speaker 2: in this draft having committed Level one violations. None of
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Speaker 2: those guys are talking and and maybe some will, but
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Speaker 2: not everybody will. Jim Harbaugh is not going to that
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Speaker 2: that that level of lack, that lack of cooperation is
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Speaker 2: just going to continue. And it's the lack of cooperation
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Speaker 2: that is this that the stone walling is not something
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Speaker 2: that the NCAA appreciates basically, and you can be punished
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Speaker 2: for that and repeat violator not being forthcoming. We saw
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Speaker 2: was it Kentucky just recently get to get handed down
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Speaker 2: some some things and vacation of wins and things like that,
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Speaker 2: and they were helpful and forthcoming. This is the opposite
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Speaker 2: of that. This is okay, here's my text messages after
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Speaker 2: I've deleted them, after you've gotten them through device imaging
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Speaker 2: here and now you can have them. That's forthcoming by
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Speaker 2: way of trying to hide a bunch of stuff and
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Speaker 2: then being found out and like here here you go.
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Speaker 2: So that's as forthcoming as Michigan is. That's what it
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Speaker 2: takes so far, for anybody to be forthcoming in this.
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Speaker 2: And so when you've got the stone walling apparently, you know,
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Speaker 2: the allegations of people coaches or a coach telling players
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Speaker 2: don't don't say anything like That's that that the level
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Speaker 2: of activity to make sure that the NCAA doesn't find
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Speaker 2: out things. That's it's it's not good and it's something
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Speaker 2: that is it seems to be permeating throughout all of this.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's let's hit on this. Well, okay, super chat
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Speaker 1: real quick for Ryan Dawes before we get into the
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Speaker 1: next thing. We as Ohio stage state fan, should only
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Speaker 1: be stated if many wins are vacated, especially that damn
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Speaker 1: national championship. But whatever happens happens. Thanks Tom and Tony.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not at the point where I'm I
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Speaker 1: feel like we have enough information to make real specific
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Speaker 1: prognostications on what the NCAA is going to do if
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Speaker 1: these you know, if these violations are all found to
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Speaker 1: be We're going to get into the you know, what
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Speaker 1: is the lack of institutional control because I feel like
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Speaker 1: that might be part of this conversation down the line.
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Speaker 1: That's don't worry, I have slides for that well, we'll
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Speaker 1: get to read we'll get to read bylaws together. I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure you're all excited about that.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: To me, it feels like everyone wants to rush to
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Speaker 1: what's the punishment going to be? And this still feels
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Speaker 1: like we're not there yet. I feel like we have
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Speaker 1: potentially more information as this all sort of starts to
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Speaker 1: come out, but I'm not at the point where I'm
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Speaker 1: willing to say, yes, going to do that. No, they're
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Speaker 1: going to do that. I mean, do you have do
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Speaker 1: you feel like you have a good sense for where
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Speaker 1: this is headed or not yet?
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Speaker 2: No, not yet. I think if this was twelve years ago,
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Speaker 2: then you could, or maybe twelve thirteen years ago, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: there would be some vacating of winds and whatever else
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Speaker 2: comes with that. The NCAA used to be is more
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Speaker 2: more predictable back then, and now there's who knows which
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Speaker 2: way the wind is blowing each day and how much
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Speaker 2: power the NCAA feels they have on a particular week
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Speaker 2: or in a particular case. Because they used to have
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Speaker 2: essentially all of the power. Now they seem to have
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Speaker 2: very little of the power, and so they have to
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Speaker 2: pick and choose their battles now, I will say every
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Speaker 2: time Michigan has or people from Michigan or spokespeople from
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Speaker 2: Michigan are saying that Michigan will fight this, every time
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Speaker 2: that has been said, Michigan has back down, whether it's
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Speaker 2: the the temporary restraining order or you know, the uh
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Speaker 2: there there's something else previously last year where Michigan was like,
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Speaker 2: oh yeah, no, we acquiesced. So I hear people saying
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Speaker 2: Michigan would fight whatever punishment. They might say that, but
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Speaker 2: they have not yet done anything that would prove to
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Speaker 2: me that they're willing to go into a legal battle,
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Speaker 2: because every time a legal battle is put in front
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Speaker 2: of them, they have back down.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's that's certainly something that is.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's very easy to say you're going to
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Speaker 1: do this and you're going to do that, or that
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Speaker 1: you know it's going to be this, or you know
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Speaker 1: it's going to be that, or this is going to
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Speaker 1: be a huge dealer, it's going to be not a
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Speaker 1: deal And it's it's very easy to say that. And
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Speaker 1: you know, when when whatever happens later, you know, no one,
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Speaker 1: not very many people are going to get freezing cold
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Speaker 1: takes over this one direction or another, So you know
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Speaker 1: it just this in general, we have generally with this
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Speaker 1: tried to be you know, not on the absolute cutting
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Speaker 1: edge of hot takeism on this and sort of letting
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Speaker 1: the process play out. And you know, what is the
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Speaker 1: what is the big tens of vestigation gonna find last fall?
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Speaker 1: What is the NC double a's investigation you can to
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Speaker 1: find and you know you can sort of read into
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Speaker 1: certain things, and I want to get to get to
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Speaker 1: the next thing, which was the paragraph that really jumped
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Speaker 1: out to me out of this whole story. Former Michigan
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Speaker 1: staff members Jim Harbaugh, Chris Partridge, Jennard Robinson, and Stallions
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Speaker 1: Connor Stallions are also accused of committing Level one violations,
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Speaker 1: the most serious category in the NC double a's enforcement process.
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Speaker 1: The school also faces a level one violation charge according
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Speaker 1: to the draft due to its quote pattern of non
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Speaker 1: compliance within the football program close quote, and institutional efforts
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Speaker 1: to hinder or thwart the NC double a's investigation. Former
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Speaker 1: coaches Jesse Minter and Steve Klinkscale are also accused of
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Speaker 1: recruiting violations unrelated to Stallions. In the draft. Two things
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Speaker 1: jump out to me here, Tony number one. All of
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Speaker 1: the guys who were you know, who are accused of
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Speaker 1: level one violations and as well as mentoring Clink Sale.
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Speaker 1: All of them left now. Jernard Robinson left because he
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Speaker 1: got popped for DUI. Everyone else left to go leave
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Speaker 1: to the NCAA, and Stallion's resigned last fall. You know,
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Speaker 1: I think that there was sort of the sense that, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they were going to try and beat the posse out
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Speaker 1: of town. This to me is sort of suggestive of yes,
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Speaker 1: they sort of knew they had to beat the posse
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Speaker 1: out of town, and so yeah, everyone just independently decided
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Speaker 1: to leave for the NFL beyond the ncuba's jurisdiction, all
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Speaker 1: at the exact same time.
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Speaker 2: What a coincidence and is a coincidence? Tom, and I
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Speaker 2: don't appreciate this witch hunt that is seemingly found actually
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Speaker 2: a bunch of witches. Sometimes that happens. The pattern of
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Speaker 2: non compliance is what I was trying to say earlier
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Speaker 2: with when I was talking about the culture of non compliants.
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Speaker 2: The other words are institutional efforts to hinder or thwart
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Speaker 2: the NCAA's investigation. In the past, that would be called
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Speaker 2: lack of institutional control. But this is a this is
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Speaker 2: an institutional control that is not lacking. It is has purpose,
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Speaker 2: and the purpose of the the control is to keep
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Speaker 2: the UNCA out of their business. Basically, like this is
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Speaker 2: seems more controlled than out of controlled based on the
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Speaker 2: the scope of this. And and you know, one of
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Speaker 2: the things that I know Michigan fans have latched onto
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Speaker 2: is that nowhere has Jim Harball been accused of anything.
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Speaker 2: And as we say, the head coach doesn't need to know,
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Speaker 2: and it's a measure of you know, should they have known.
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Speaker 2: But also even if the head coach doesn't know, if
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Speaker 2: other people know. And it sure seems like this is
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Speaker 2: not the rogue loan gunman that Michigan has tried to
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Speaker 2: put out there there. There are spokespeople there, people in
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Speaker 2: the media have tried to put out there that it's just,
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Speaker 2: you know, a rogue staffer. I also think it's interesting
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Speaker 2: that part of that story is talking about how, you know,
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Speaker 2: the interns new about it, but they didn't know it
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Speaker 2: was wrong. And if they don't know what's wrong, then
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Speaker 2: they're probably talking about it openly, you know, because if
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Speaker 2: you know what's wrong, you're like maybe on a down low,
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Speaker 2: why I hide something if it's if it's completely legal,
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Speaker 2: and so maybe there's there's more mention of it around
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Speaker 2: the program than a rogue staffer would like to have had.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, we can move on to the next slide
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Speaker 2: because I'm sure we've got plenty of plenty there. But
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Speaker 2: the pattern and patterns and this is being a repeat
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Speaker 2: violator and the program itself being a Level one violator
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Speaker 2: is is it's it's not just an individual. It now
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Speaker 2: becomes the football department of the university itself.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the line. I think that is. Everyone
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Speaker 1: wants to point to this or that, and you know,
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Speaker 1: the big sexy headline is that Sean Moore deleted a
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Speaker 1: bunch of text messages that line about the program having
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Speaker 1: a Level one violation after already being on a three
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Speaker 1: year NCUBA a probation for level one violations. That's the
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Speaker 1: one that's the potentially you know, the big one that
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Speaker 1: could go off that it has to all be proven
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Speaker 1: that Michigan has a chance. Even once this note of
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Speaker 1: nose of Valegations is actually finalized and goes out, Michigan
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Speaker 1: has time to respond to that. I think ninety days
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Speaker 1: to respond to that. So you know, this is not
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Speaker 1: the final, final and there's not there's not talk of
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Speaker 1: penalties yet. But that's I think the one that that
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Speaker 1: is something that you really got to keep your eye on.
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Speaker 1: All Right, you know how we love to go through
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Speaker 1: all of our all of our real, uh you know,
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Speaker 1: real pedantic stuff and read some rules and all that
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I threw in the chat the NC
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Speaker 1: Double Enforcement Division one internal operating procedures. They link to
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Speaker 1: the pdf if you want to play play along with
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Speaker 1: the home version of our game. Uh, here is one
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Speaker 1: sentence here that I thought was pretty significant from that document,
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Speaker 1: Failure to cooperate, lack of incitutional control, and failure to
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Speaker 1: monitor are among the most serious allegations. According to the
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Speaker 1: following are the general guidelines the enforcement staff will consider
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Speaker 1: when determining whether to bring the identified allegation. So the
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Speaker 1: point of this is just the institutional stuff, you know.
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Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of well, you know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh's got violations, and boy he's going to get
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Speaker 1: a show cause and whatever, but it doesn't matter because
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Speaker 1: he's off to the NFL. The institutional piece of this
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Speaker 1: is what you got to keep your eye on, because
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Speaker 1: right there it says fail to cooperate. Lack of institutional control,
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Speaker 1: and failure to monitor, which are kind of three different
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Speaker 1: levels of the same basic thing, are among the most
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Speaker 1: serious allegations. So that's just one thing to read. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's I think we've got to define lack of institutional
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Speaker 1: control here. That's and this is small because there are
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Speaker 1: a lot of words, but this is all from the
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Speaker 1: hang on, let me find the documents the NCAA Enforcement
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Speaker 1: Division one internal operating procedures. I will throw a link
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Speaker 1: to that in the chat as well, so you can
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Speaker 1: go ahead and play it along with the home game.
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Speaker 1: This is this is the stuff where, this is the
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Speaker 1: stuff that I think is going to be what sort
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Speaker 1: of defines this and what the NCAA finds and what
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Speaker 1: they feel is, you know, what they can prove and
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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. This is what is going
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Speaker 1: to be what maybe is the big you know, decision
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Speaker 1: maker here, the Charon More thing. If he gets suspended,
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Speaker 1: if he gets a show cause obviously that impacts Charon More,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily impact the Michigan program. This is what
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Speaker 1: feels like this is going to be, you know, whatever
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Speaker 1: the punishment for this is if it is found to
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Speaker 1: be a violation. This is where you know you're going
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Speaker 1: to have you know how big is this punishment for
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Speaker 1: Michigan lack of institutional control. The enforcement staff does not
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Speaker 1: assume that an institution violated the NCAA principle if institutional
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Speaker 1: control when one or more Level one or two violations
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Speaker 1: may have occurred. Instead, consistent with guidelines for the membership,
19:57
Speaker 1: the enforcement staff takes a common sense approach and conser
20:00
Speaker 1: during the nature and scope of the violation or violations
20:02
Speaker 1: in a case, together with the institution's specific efforts to
20:05
Speaker 1: create and maintain a positive culture of compliance. Let's put
20:09
Speaker 1: a pin in that and reflect back on deleting text
20:12
Speaker 1: messages Jim Harbaugh and not taking part in the NCAA
20:16
Speaker 1: violat investigation as well as some other folks. That feels
20:20
Speaker 1: like that might be relevant information Where the information did
20:23
Speaker 1: not have a structure in place to create a culture
20:24
Speaker 1: of compliance, or where there was a breakdown in that structure,
20:27
Speaker 1: a lack of institutional control allegation may be appropriate. Factors
20:30
Speaker 1: indicating institutional control include, but are not limited to, those
20:34
Speaker 1: outlined below. So let's just run through what the factors
20:39
Speaker 1: in a lack of institutional control finding are. A promotion
20:42
Speaker 1: of a culture of compliance, B oversight, C policies and procedures,
20:47
Speaker 1: D education and training, E, due diligence in delegating authority, F,
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Speaker 1: program monitoring, review, G enforcement response and prevention of recurrence,
20:57
Speaker 1: H Risk assessment and modification. You know, none of that
21:01
Speaker 1: there is directly, you know, like clearly one hundred percent,
21:08
Speaker 1: no doubt, air tight case. But when you look at
21:12
Speaker 1: you know, how the NCAA is presenting Michigan's cooperation with
21:16
Speaker 1: this or lack of cooperation with the investigation, deleting text messages,
21:21
Speaker 1: there was a thing about Connor Stallion's removing a hard
21:24
Speaker 1: drive from the facility. I mean, there's all sorts of
21:26
Speaker 1: stuff there, Jim Harbaugh not participating in the last investigation
21:30
Speaker 1: or in this investigation fully not cooperating with sort of
21:32
Speaker 1: how they framed it. You know that there just feels
21:37
Speaker 1: like a lot of stuff. Even before you get to
21:40
Speaker 1: they're already on probation for a different level one violation.
21:43
Speaker 1: As this stuff is happening, all of that feels like
21:47
Speaker 1: it is sort of pointing to this is I don't
21:50
Speaker 1: know how big of a something it's going to be.
21:52
Speaker 1: It just feels like this is probably going to be
21:55
Speaker 1: some kind of a something.
21:57
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're already on probation, were being specifically investigated
22:02
Speaker 2: for the Stallion's thing. And then they find other violations,
22:06
Speaker 2: you know, minor that they are paying a one hundred
22:11
Speaker 2: dollars for a charity, which you know is what it is,
22:15
Speaker 2: getting somebody verified on Instagram, like just little things like
22:19
Speaker 2: that that when you're doing, when something big like this happens,
22:23
Speaker 2: it's never surprised when they find more. But then that
22:26
Speaker 2: goes to the culture of compliance that is part of
22:31
Speaker 2: the institutional control. And when you don't have that culture
22:35
Speaker 2: of compliance or you don't have a structure in place,
22:37
Speaker 2: in fact, there is apparently a structure in place that
22:40
Speaker 2: is the opposite of that. It's kind of like the
22:42
Speaker 2: upside down of the NCAA's culture of compliance. There. Either
22:49
Speaker 2: way you squint from one side or the other, like you, yes,
22:54
Speaker 2: this is a complete violation. This is complete violation. This
22:57
Speaker 2: is complete violation. Or you can also say, well, well,
23:01
Speaker 2: you know it's not it's still just one guy, or
23:06
Speaker 2: it's still just two guys. At some point it's just
23:08
Speaker 2: four guys. And and yet there are four, four, five, six,
23:12
Speaker 2: four guys at least with the the level one violation.
23:17
Speaker 2: So like the idea that it's just a rogue person
23:22
Speaker 2: should end, I mean this, there are more violations being found.
23:27
Speaker 2: And I saw a Michigan reporter tweet out that this
23:34
Speaker 2: the NCAA's notice of allegations isn't even about what Stallions did,
23:39
Speaker 2: It's more about the the the the lack of being
23:44
Speaker 2: forthcoming is where all these potential violations could come from.
23:49
Speaker 2: And while I don't not necessarily agree with that, there
23:54
Speaker 2: is always the thing with the NCAA is it's the
23:57
Speaker 2: cover up that is much more and not just with
23:59
Speaker 2: the nca but the cover up being much more devastating
24:02
Speaker 2: than the initial violation, which is the case Michigan. That's
24:05
Speaker 2: why Michigan is already on probation. It was the cover up,
24:09
Speaker 2: the lack of being forthcoming, that got them into trouble
24:13
Speaker 2: and which is going to make them a repeat violator,
24:17
Speaker 2: which is going to continue to put out this habit
24:22
Speaker 2: of non compliance. And so I just I would like to,
24:29
Speaker 2: you know, and we'll eventually see maybe well I don't
24:31
Speaker 2: even know if the nca would tell us in their decision,
24:35
Speaker 2: like why why wasn't it lack of institutional control or
24:38
Speaker 2: Why wasn't it failure to monitor because it seems like
24:41
Speaker 2: some of these things would are probably pretty malleable depending
24:47
Speaker 2: on the mood, the tenor of the way things are
24:51
Speaker 2: going with the NCAAA.
24:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that I think I don't feel like the
24:56
Speaker 1: mood of the NC double A is going to be
24:59
Speaker 1: helped by the Michigan response to any of this. I mean,
25:02
Speaker 1: all of the tweeting bet and all that stuff last fall,
25:06
Speaker 1: starting with that and then getting into you know, Jim Harbaugh,
25:09
Speaker 1: the head coach who's responsible for all this stuff in
25:11
Speaker 1: his program according to the NCAA rules, not cooperating with
25:15
Speaker 1: the last investigation, not in cooperating with this investigation. You know,
25:19
Speaker 1: none of that feels like that's you know, the current
25:21
Speaker 1: head coach now apparently having deleted fifty two text messages,
25:25
Speaker 1: like immediately, you know, this is not just an NC
25:27
Speaker 1: DOUBLEA thing. What was the lesson from Watergate? It's not
25:30
Speaker 1: the crime, it's the cover up that's what gets you.
25:33
Speaker 1: That feels like a lesson that may not have been
25:35
Speaker 1: learned in this case a super tef from Jordan Kapler.
25:37
Speaker 1: What should Kevin's punishment be for all of this? I mean,
25:41
Speaker 1: he's not on this show, So he's missing out on
25:43
Speaker 1: getting to talk about, you know, to get the actually
25:46
Speaker 1: on here to listen to me read bylaws. I don't know, Tony,
25:49
Speaker 1: is that that feels like the YouTube version of the
25:52
Speaker 1: NCAA death penalty. I don't know what else could be
25:54
Speaker 1: more severe than that.
25:55
Speaker 2: Feel like I'm being punished by having to listen to
25:58
Speaker 2: all of these by laws.
26:00
Speaker 1: No offense, oh none taken, None whatsoever taken. You know,
26:05
Speaker 1: here's one, here's a question from Jake B. And this
26:06
Speaker 1: sort of address is something that you brought up JAKEB
26:09
Speaker 1: with a Michigan icon as his avatar, So that gives
26:15
Speaker 1: me a sense from the direction he's coming from. Why
26:17
Speaker 1: is no one talking about how the NLA draft apparently
26:20
Speaker 1: didn't really address the infractions in question. I'm gonna first
26:24
Speaker 1: of all, refer you back to the conversation we had
26:25
Speaker 1: earlier about the fact that this is just the report
26:30
Speaker 1: about the na This is not the actual NAY in
26:33
Speaker 1: the draft, and so there's probably a lot of stuff
26:36
Speaker 1: in there that they didn't talk about. But I'm going
26:38
Speaker 1: to read this paragraph from the report for you. Stallions
26:41
Speaker 1: resigned in early November following a week of public reports
26:43
Speaker 1: detailing his scheme of purchasing tickets to games around the
26:46
Speaker 1: country and directing a network of individuals so video of
26:48
Speaker 1: the sidelines in an effort to decode their play calling signals.
26:51
Speaker 1: Ready the NCAA's draft, obtained by ESPN, states that investigators
26:55
Speaker 1: use ticket information, film, photographs, and interviews to determine that
26:58
Speaker 1: Stallience had impermissibly scouted it least thirteen future Michigan opponents
27:01
Speaker 1: on at least fifty eight occasions between twenty twenty one
27:03
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty three. He directed others just scout some
27:06
Speaker 1: opponents multiple times, including one team that they scouted seven
27:08
Speaker 1: different times in twenty twenty two. According to the draft,
27:12
Speaker 1: Tony does that address the infractions in question? It feels
27:16
Speaker 1: like that addresses the infractions in question. Am I am
27:18
Speaker 1: I crazy?
27:19
Speaker 2: Well, I'll and I'll go back to a sentence we've
27:23
Speaker 2: talked about. The school also faces a level one violation
27:26
Speaker 2: charge according to the draft, too to its pattern of
27:28
Speaker 2: non compliance within the football program. The complying is not cheating.
27:35
Speaker 2: Cheating is non compliance and having so like there are
27:39
Speaker 2: a lot of things that you can do that is
27:41
Speaker 2: a non compliant and pretty much any violation is going
27:45
Speaker 2: to be non compliant. That's why it's a violation. So
27:47
Speaker 2: I think when you have that kind of language, non
27:53
Speaker 2: compliance could be a bunch of things. And as there's
27:56
Speaker 2: already all of this detail put forth on the the
28:00
Speaker 2: the stallions and as you said, the tickets and all
28:03
Speaker 2: of that, all of this to me is non compliance
28:06
Speaker 2: because you're not complying with the rules, you are breaking
28:08
Speaker 2: the rules. So that's I think that is one of
28:11
Speaker 2: the things that maybe explains that away.
28:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, it I think there's again I think there have
28:18
Speaker 1: been people who have come to this with we know
28:21
Speaker 1: what this is going to be, aha, and this you know,
28:24
Speaker 1: if you just look at this piece and and this
28:26
Speaker 1: is human nature. How many times during the Jim tressel
28:29
Speaker 1: Tatgate thing did we hear people talk about, you know,
28:33
Speaker 1: in the SI report about rigging raffles, rigging a camp
28:37
Speaker 1: raffle for like, and that was the thing that he
28:39
Speaker 1: was accused of doing in nineteen eighty four, and everyone
28:41
Speaker 1: kind of went, oh, it's you know, rigging raff really,
28:44
Speaker 1: this is this is the end. It was like there
28:46
Speaker 1: was other stuff that happened, and you know that was
28:49
Speaker 1: you know, the Michigan had their own version of this
28:51
Speaker 1: with Las scandal, where it was you know, oh, they
28:54
Speaker 1: just he just bought some kids some cheeseburger. Should it
28:56
Speaker 1: go for jail for that was like, well, there was
28:57
Speaker 1: also the COVID visit violations, which was the actual serious
29:01
Speaker 1: piece of it. But you know, everyone sort of by
29:04
Speaker 1: human nature comes at it with the idea that well,
29:06
Speaker 1: this is this is my tribe, and therefore my tribe
29:09
Speaker 1: is right, and therefore you're being ridiculous if you accuse
29:12
Speaker 1: them of this. And you know so you can if
29:14
Speaker 1: you want to read the report and just say, well,
29:17
Speaker 1: there's nothing about there's nothing about the violations except for
29:19
Speaker 1: the spot where there was the paragraph about the violations.
29:22
Speaker 1: There's nothing about the violations except for the sentence that
29:25
Speaker 1: I will read this again. This This is like, this
29:28
Speaker 1: is buried in the middle of the report. This is
29:31
Speaker 1: the sentence right here. The school also faces a level
29:34
Speaker 1: one violation charge according to the draft due to its
29:36
Speaker 1: quote pattern of non compliance within the football program close quote,
29:40
Speaker 1: and institutional efforts to hinder or thwart the nc doublea's investigation.
29:45
Speaker 1: We read one more time, quote pattern of non compliance
29:48
Speaker 1: within the football program close quote and institutional efforts to
29:51
Speaker 1: hinder or thwart the nc doublea's investigation. The nc DOUAA
29:55
Speaker 1: considers Michigan not cooperating but being adversarial to the investigation.
30:00
Speaker 1: The head coach, the former head coach has not been cooperative.
30:05
Speaker 1: The current head coach deleted fifty two text messages with
30:08
Speaker 1: Connor Stallions on the day this all came out. Yeah,
30:11
Speaker 1: they went back and found him later, but that was,
30:13
Speaker 1: you know, that was the initial thing. John Moore only
30:16
Speaker 1: facing level two allegations, not level one, so those are
30:18
Speaker 1: not as serious, but according to the story, could still
30:21
Speaker 1: face a suspension, could face a show cause. I mean,
30:26
Speaker 1: this is this is significant stuff. So yeah, I think
30:30
Speaker 1: that's all. That's all sort of worth having those kind
30:34
Speaker 1: of conversations. I'm just kind of scrolling through my notes here.
30:39
Speaker 1: I do want to read this one the NCAA's drafts.
30:41
Speaker 1: Had Stallions failed to cooperate with with its investigation. Yeah,
30:44
Speaker 1: that's that's not a real surprise. That's you know, And
30:47
Speaker 1: and what is the nc DOUALEA going to do to him.
30:49
Speaker 1: They're going to give him a show cause and it's
30:50
Speaker 1: not going to matter because he's not going to work
30:51
Speaker 1: in college sports anymore. So it doesn't matter. The draft
30:54
Speaker 1: states in October twenty twenty three, he removed hard drives
30:57
Speaker 1: from the Michigan football offices and also gave a football
30:59
Speaker 1: player a SA containing play calling signals of a future opponent.
31:02
Speaker 1: It said Stallion's asked the player to bring the sheet
31:04
Speaker 1: to a team intern's house until he could retrieve it later.
31:07
Speaker 1: Stallion's also refused to let the school review his phone,
31:10
Speaker 1: according to the Draft, So you know, and then this
31:12
Speaker 1: is Chris Partridge, former defensive assistant who's fired by Michigan
31:16
Speaker 1: last November, accused of pressure in her player to lie
31:18
Speaker 1: or mislead NCAA investigators in an effort to quote protect
31:21
Speaker 1: unquote the coaching staff during the probe in a stallion scheme.
31:23
Speaker 1: According to the draft, what you know, if you have
31:27
Speaker 1: to get people to lie to protect the coaching staff,
31:31
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a little bit of this,
31:34
Speaker 1: which is how stupid do you think everyone is? That?
31:36
Speaker 2: You know?
31:37
Speaker 1: This is you brought it up earlier. You know this
31:38
Speaker 1: is everyone thinks this is legal, but also it's a secret.
31:41
Speaker 1: Don't tell anyone like what that doesn't that doesn't make
31:43
Speaker 1: any sense. And you know, the coaching staff, which knows
31:46
Speaker 1: everything about everything, and everyone knows that. That's kind of
31:49
Speaker 1: you know, the the nc DOUAA is basically set up
31:51
Speaker 1: to assume the head coach knows everything about everything. This
31:54
Speaker 1: is just low level, low level, easily replaceable staffers. They
31:57
Speaker 1: were the only ones who knew it, just it, But
31:59
Speaker 1: they have to lie to protect the coaching staff. Like,
32:02
Speaker 1: there's a lot of pieces here that don't really fit well.
32:06
Speaker 2: And I can also go to the the the last
32:11
Speaker 2: playsheet that counter Stallions handed off to an intern for
32:16
Speaker 2: a future opponent. I'll give you fifteen guesses on who
32:20
Speaker 2: that future opponent may have been. Oh, now this is
32:25
Speaker 2: this picture game.
32:26
Speaker 1: This picture was from the twenty twenty two game. Yes,
32:28
Speaker 1: this is this is a picture I had of the
32:30
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison sideline catch. It might have been ruled out
32:33
Speaker 1: of bounds on the first drive of the game, but
32:36
Speaker 1: you see Connor Stallions back there. He is the one
32:38
Speaker 1: closest to the sideline looking down the sideline. Jesse Minter
32:41
Speaker 1: right next to him, and then right behind the line
32:44
Speaker 1: Judge's back. There is a play sheet which we have
32:48
Speaker 1: been told is you know, signals that correspond with Ohio
32:52
Speaker 1: state signals, So they had you know that we have
32:54
Speaker 1: been told I can't independently verify this, but we have
32:57
Speaker 1: been told that those were Ohio State signals from that
33:00
Speaker 1: game that was the first drive of the twenty twenty
33:02
Speaker 1: two games, so not not the twenty twenty three game,
33:04
Speaker 1: not the one we're talking about here, but you know
33:07
Speaker 1: up there for illustration purposes only. Okay, go ahead, Tony.
33:10
Speaker 2: Well, and this is like the dying act basically of
33:15
Speaker 2: counter Stallions is to hand this play sheet over. And
33:17
Speaker 2: it's like what Lady Elena telling Jamie Lanister tells, Sircy,
33:22
Speaker 2: it was me, you know, this is tell Ryan, it
33:25
Speaker 2: was me handing that off and making sure that it
33:29
Speaker 2: got to the hands that it needed to be. And
33:33
Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting that one of the narratives that
33:37
Speaker 2: has come out as well, they stopped cheating after the
33:42
Speaker 2: right before the Michigan State game. Once they got caught,
33:44
Speaker 2: the cheating stopped, and it's like, well maybe not, maybe not,
33:50
Speaker 2: because one of the items used to cheat, if you will,
33:54
Speaker 2: was passed along. And also, you know, the hard drives
33:58
Speaker 2: is an interesting thing as well, and maybe those are
34:00
Speaker 2: just personal had a bunch of music on them. You know,
34:02
Speaker 2: you don't want to leave your music collection behind you,
34:05
Speaker 2: don't you know you got You've got like all of
34:07
Speaker 2: the Sublime albums and things like that, and a lot
34:10
Speaker 2: of those are bootlegs, so you can't get those replaced.
34:13
Speaker 2: You don't want to leave without those. So that is
34:16
Speaker 2: all very interesting as well, and of course those are
34:19
Speaker 2: I'm not a hacker, I'm not a you know, CSI
34:21
Speaker 2: computer person, but I see all of that stuff has
34:23
Speaker 2: gone and it will never show back up. But Tom,
34:28
Speaker 2: maybe for somebody who has written a manifesto, and I'm
34:32
Speaker 2: not referring to you, but to to Connor having written
34:35
Speaker 2: a Michigan manifesto, I wonder if all of this stuff
34:38
Speaker 2: is still around or do you get rid of it,
34:41
Speaker 2: get rid of it so that it can never come
34:43
Speaker 2: back to you or be tied to you, even though
34:46
Speaker 2: it went missing with you allegedly allegedly.
34:50
Speaker 1: I'm just scrolling through the comments, and boy, folks, are
34:53
Speaker 1: folks have some thoughts, Folks going at it in the comments,
34:55
Speaker 1: which you know this is not really super you know
34:58
Speaker 1: this is uh, you know cats and dogs, as Ohio
35:01
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35:05
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35:42
Speaker 1: you know, yes talking talking Ohio State football, previewing the
35:44
Speaker 1: season and all that kind of stuff as well. But
35:46
Speaker 1: today we got to talk a little bit more about
35:48
Speaker 1: Michigan and there were there was a question here we
35:52
Speaker 1: go from Linz Breezy did they even investigate the LLC.
35:55
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything more about it. That was about
35:58
Speaker 1: the LLC that Connor Stallion's had that Blake Koram's name
36:03
Speaker 1: was on and then it was formed in Wyoming or
36:05
Speaker 1: whatever it was it was. That was one of those
36:07
Speaker 1: really weird I mean of the many, many weird sideline
36:11
Speaker 1: stories of this whole thing that was up there, we
36:15
Speaker 1: don't And the answer to that is, we don't know.
36:16
Speaker 1: That is something that could theoretically have been looked into
36:21
Speaker 1: by the NCAA. There was nothing in the ESPN report
36:23
Speaker 1: about it, but that doesn't mean it wasn't investigated. That
36:27
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's not in the Notice of Allegations. All
36:28
Speaker 1: we have right now is ESPN's summary of a draft
36:32
Speaker 1: Notice of Allegations. So this is not the final copy
36:35
Speaker 1: by any means, or the final report. Although Tony, I
36:39
Speaker 1: get the sense, you know, if there was really some
36:42
Speaker 1: something there that they found, real concrete proof of that
36:44
Speaker 1: would have impacted Koram's eligibility or any that kind of stuff.
36:48
Speaker 1: That feels like something that probably would have been mentioned
36:52
Speaker 1: in this reporting.
36:54
Speaker 2: I think so.
36:55
Speaker 1: And that was.
36:57
Speaker 2: Enough of a known thing, like an allegation or just
37:02
Speaker 2: it was out there, so it would be like something
37:04
Speaker 2: that the nca would want to look at. You would
37:06
Speaker 2: assume just hey, let's just clear this up. But yeah,
37:10
Speaker 2: it is interesting that it's kind of just gone away,
37:12
Speaker 2: and maybe for a good reason. Maybe there's nothing there,
37:14
Speaker 2: but there was. It was odd that those things were
37:17
Speaker 2: tied together, and Blake Korm did come out and say,
37:19
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not involved with that. I don't know
37:22
Speaker 2: how the common name got involved with that or whatever.
37:24
Speaker 2: So there are still questions that have to be answered
37:26
Speaker 2: from that. Maybe maybe we'll get to hear those answers
37:30
Speaker 2: in Kinder Stallion's Netflix documentary at the end of the month,
37:34
Speaker 2: which I'm sure sure we'll clear all of this up.
37:37
Speaker 2: It's gonna well finally have all of our questions answered.
37:41
Speaker 2: Figuring out why this why that, The kind of will
37:43
Speaker 2: be like, well, you know, this is this is why
37:46
Speaker 2: this will all make much much sense. And it wasn't
37:49
Speaker 2: that Blake Korm is a different Blake Korm. You don't
37:51
Speaker 2: know him. He lives in Alaska.
37:55
Speaker 1: My girlfriend lives in Canada. You wouldn't You wouldn't know,
37:58
Speaker 1: or she's also part of my ls for some reason. Yeah,
38:02
Speaker 1: So that's the Connor Stallions sort of in a nutshell.
38:07
Speaker 1: The update here. I do want to circle back. We've
38:10
Speaker 1: picked up a ton of viewers, so I want to
38:11
Speaker 1: circle back kind of to the top of the show
38:14
Speaker 1: and just kind of go back through because we again,
38:16
Speaker 1: we've picked up a lot of folks since we started.
38:19
Speaker 1: Let's start with the top of the ESPN report. New
38:23
Speaker 1: Michigan head coach Ron Moore, one of seven members from
38:25
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three football program accused of violating NCAA
38:28
Speaker 1: rules in the draft of the NCAA's notice of allegations
38:31
Speaker 1: obtained by ESPN the draft which could be subject to change,
38:33
Speaker 1: and that is worth noting here. This is not a
38:35
Speaker 1: final deal states Moore could face a show cost penalty
38:38
Speaker 1: and possibly a suspension for allegedly deleting a thread of
38:41
Speaker 1: fifty two text messages with former Michigan staff for Connor
38:43
Speaker 1: Stallions in October twenty twenty three, on the same day
38:46
Speaker 1: that media reports revealed Stallions was leading an effort to
38:48
Speaker 1: capture the play calling signals of future opponents. Boy I
38:53
Speaker 1: remember where I was when that happened. That was a
38:57
Speaker 1: momentous day in Ohio State, Michigan, everyone else at football
39:01
Speaker 1: history it felt like. The draft states that the text
39:03
Speaker 1: were later recovered via quote device imaging and more quote
39:06
Speaker 1: subsequently produced them to enforcement staff close quote More was
39:10
Speaker 1: accused of committing a level to violation accordinated to the draft.
39:13
Speaker 1: So this is the top of the story of the story.
39:16
Speaker 1: This is the lead of the story. As they say
39:17
Speaker 1: in journalism, you know, this is somewhat consequential in that,
39:23
Speaker 1: you know, you don't really see head coaches get a
39:27
Speaker 1: show cause and survive generally. You know, I'm sure this
39:32
Speaker 1: is something that Michigan folks are going to say. You know,
39:35
Speaker 1: if they do, they'll fight it and they're going to
39:37
Speaker 1: get it. I mean, do you want to give people
39:39
Speaker 1: the you know, fifteen second version of what a show
39:41
Speaker 1: cause is and what it what it kind of really
39:44
Speaker 1: means in a circumstance like this.
39:46
Speaker 2: Right, It's it's not going to get you fired unless
39:50
Speaker 2: you are already like kind of on the outs. Basically,
39:53
Speaker 2: it just means a show cause means the school would
39:56
Speaker 2: have to show a cause, show reason to employ you.
40:00
Speaker 2: And there's also additional monitoring going on with that. And
40:04
Speaker 2: so when a coach has a show cause, usually they're
40:06
Speaker 2: unemployed by that point, and so no school is necessarily
40:08
Speaker 2: going to bring them on because they don't want to
40:11
Speaker 2: deal with that. Plus, if you bring them on, then
40:14
Speaker 2: you automatically become you you endanger yourself and being like
40:19
Speaker 2: a repeat violator because you have somebody on staff like that.
40:22
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of reasons where it's just, you
40:24
Speaker 2: know what, we'll just we don't need that kind of
40:26
Speaker 2: noise for three years. Let somebody else deal with it.
40:30
Speaker 2: But if he's already there at Michigan, like I don't
40:32
Speaker 2: expect this to get him fired unless Michigan is six
40:36
Speaker 2: and six this year, you know something like that, where
40:38
Speaker 2: it's like, you know what, it's let's let's move on.
40:41
Speaker 2: Let's use this as a cause to move on. We've
40:43
Speaker 2: seen other schools do that where you know what, this
40:46
Speaker 2: is kind of a scandal, let's go ahead and and
40:49
Speaker 2: get rid of somebody, and somebody we just gave, you know,
40:52
Speaker 2: ninety million dollars too, Let's just go ahead, and you
40:54
Speaker 2: know what, let's use this to h to fire him.
40:57
Speaker 2: And we've I think ten of see has done that.
41:00
Speaker 2: Michigan State has done that where it's like that's just
41:03
Speaker 2: got bait, that sort of thing. I think it is
41:07
Speaker 2: interesting to me that deleting a threat of fifty two
41:10
Speaker 2: texts and not being forthcoming is is only a level
41:14
Speaker 2: two violation, and level one being the higher. So I
41:18
Speaker 2: think that's interesting that that's so much of a big deal.
41:23
Speaker 2: But like that's a lot of texts, and so fifty
41:26
Speaker 2: two is bigger than two level two, So immediately that
41:29
Speaker 2: gets everybody's attention. But I think the the number that
41:33
Speaker 2: we're glossing over is in the first sentence of this
41:36
Speaker 2: entire story, and it's Sharon Moore is one of seven
41:40
Speaker 2: members of the twenty twenty three football program accused of
41:43
Speaker 2: violating against a rules that that in itself is a
41:47
Speaker 2: huge thing that should get people's attention from the Michigan side.
41:52
Speaker 2: And I know we are so you know, divided and
41:58
Speaker 2: divisive in terms of side versus your side, that side,
42:01
Speaker 2: that side that some people on the Michigan side aren't
42:06
Speaker 2: even going to So what seven who cares? Doing what?
42:09
Speaker 1: For? What?
42:10
Speaker 2: Why? I don't care. But that's yet, that's a lot.
42:13
Speaker 2: It used to be a very big thing when something
42:15
Speaker 2: like this would come down.
42:17
Speaker 1: Well, and you look at how many you know what
42:18
Speaker 1: percentage of their ten countable coaches, you know, there were
42:22
Speaker 1: a lot of folks involved in that. In among those
42:26
Speaker 1: ten highest profile coaches, they're mentioning both coordinators, head coach,
42:33
Speaker 1: a bunch of assistants. Here's another paragraph that we thought
42:36
Speaker 1: was rather notable. Former Michigan staff members Jim Harbaugh, Chris Partridge,
42:39
Speaker 1: Gernard Robinson and Connor Stallions are also accused of committing
42:43
Speaker 1: Level one violations, the most serious category in the NC
42:45
Speaker 1: doable a's enforcement process. The school also faces a level
42:49
Speaker 1: one violation charge according to its draft due to its
42:51
Speaker 1: quote pattern of non compliance within the football program close quote,
42:54
Speaker 1: and institutional efforts to hinder or thwart the NCAA's investigation.
42:59
Speaker 1: Former coaches Just Mentor and Steve Clinkscale are also accused
43:02
Speaker 1: of recruiting violations unrelated to Stallions in the draft. That's
43:06
Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, that last sentence is,
43:09
Speaker 1: you know, once the NC double A starts looking around,
43:11
Speaker 1: they're going to find some stuff that's going to impact
43:13
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of folks. But you know,
43:16
Speaker 1: if you've got Searon Moore, the former offensive coordinator and
43:19
Speaker 1: current head coach, deleting text messages from Stallions as soon
43:22
Speaker 1: as this first happens, and you've got the former head coach,
43:25
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, and you've got Chris Partchers, who's a position coach,
43:30
Speaker 1: you know, all of these folks are being accused of
43:33
Speaker 1: the most serious category of NC double A enforcement issue
43:36
Speaker 1: of violations. But again, the sentence in this whole thing
43:41
Speaker 1: that jumps out to me is the one in the
43:43
Speaker 1: middle of this paragraph. The school also faces a level
43:46
Speaker 1: one violation charge, according to the draft, due to its
43:48
Speaker 1: quote pattern of non compliance within the football program close quote,
43:51
Speaker 1: and institutional efforts to hinder or thwart the NC double
43:55
Speaker 1: a's investigation. That's, you know, that is big enough that
44:00
Speaker 1: right there, that you know, if you are familiar with
44:02
Speaker 1: NCAA compliance, if you if you cooperate with an investigation,
44:06
Speaker 1: that generally helps you. If the nc double A is
44:09
Speaker 1: calling you out for not helping and in fact institutional
44:13
Speaker 1: efforts to hinder or thwart the ncublea's investigation. And then
44:18
Speaker 1: you add on top of that that they just had
44:20
Speaker 1: a separate major violations case involving the you know, cheeseburgers,
44:25
Speaker 1: et cetera thing involving actually COVID visitation violations and that
44:29
Speaker 1: kind of stuff where they also didn't cooperate, where they
44:32
Speaker 1: landed on three years probation. Then you're setting up, you know,
44:34
Speaker 1: much like at the top we talked about Sean Moore
44:36
Speaker 1: potentially being a repeat a repeat offender and that making
44:39
Speaker 1: the penalty more serious. The university is setting up to
44:43
Speaker 1: potentially be a repeat offender here that. You know, there's
44:46
Speaker 1: been a lot of talk about it says this, It
44:48
Speaker 1: doesn't say this. That sentence right there about the pattern
44:52
Speaker 1: of non compliance within the football program and institutional efforts
44:55
Speaker 1: to hinder or thwart the NCAA's investigation, that's the one
44:58
Speaker 1: that should be like big bold, seventy two point font
45:02
Speaker 1: right at the top of the article. It's kind of
45:04
Speaker 1: buried in there. But to me, that feels like that's
45:06
Speaker 1: the that's my thing that I'm looking at and going,
45:10
Speaker 1: you know, watch this space. That feels like where the
45:12
Speaker 1: news might be coming from.
45:13
Speaker 2: At some point, they can't punish Jim Harbaugh because he's gone,
45:17
Speaker 2: you know, it's not gone the program itself, and that
45:20
Speaker 2: that is being pointed to as a violator. You mentioned
45:23
Speaker 2: the assistant coaches, Like, how many assistant coaches with NCAA
45:29
Speaker 2: violations or legendency and violations does it take for failure
45:34
Speaker 2: to monitor, lack of institutional control to kick in. Because
45:37
Speaker 2: we're talking forty percent of the ten countables, four of
45:40
Speaker 2: the ten and the head coach, so this is nearly
45:44
Speaker 2: half of your on the road coaching staff has been
45:49
Speaker 2: named in this this draft, and that's that's a lot.
45:53
Speaker 2: And that is a culture of non compliance basically, and
45:57
Speaker 2: when we stay non compliance, non compliance is not well,
46:01
Speaker 2: they're not talking to the NCAA. That is one aspect.
46:04
Speaker 2: Non compliance is not complying with the rules, and that
46:07
Speaker 2: is the whole conter stallions or some of these recruiting
46:10
Speaker 2: things that we're talking about. Why aren't they talking about
46:12
Speaker 2: counter stallions. That's the non compliance aspect of.
46:14
Speaker 1: It, all right, got a super chat from Fox Body Blues.
46:17
Speaker 1: I wonder which opponent Michigan advanced scouted seven times before
46:20
Speaker 1: playing them, Tony, you got to think it's someone towards
46:23
Speaker 1: the end of the schedule. Any guesses on who that might.
46:27
Speaker 2: Be, Well, you know, probably probably a pretty good chance
46:32
Speaker 2: that it's the same one with the play sheet that
46:35
Speaker 2: got handed out as the Feds were coming in and
46:40
Speaker 2: feds and quotes. Yeah, these are answers. We don't know,
46:44
Speaker 2: but it sure seems pretty easy to make an assumption.
46:47
Speaker 2: And I don't know that anybody's gonna because it's either
46:49
Speaker 2: Ohio State or Penn State in all seriousness, you know,
46:52
Speaker 2: in terms of the two biggest opponents on the schedule
46:55
Speaker 2: last year. Because Michigan's non conference, there's nothing there to
46:58
Speaker 2: worry about so, and you could say the same thing
47:02
Speaker 2: about that that final play sheet. It's Penn State or
47:04
Speaker 2: it's Ohio State. And do you really think the Penn
47:09
Speaker 2: State is going to be the bigger worry there like
47:11
Speaker 2: Ohio State? Seemingly Ohio State is the reason for all
47:15
Speaker 2: of this, really, you know, to get over on Ohio
47:19
Speaker 2: State to reach that level. The frustration of twenty fifteen,
47:24
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, avoiding it
47:29
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, all of that frustration bubbling over creating
47:33
Speaker 2: something whether this is perhaps Tom, Perhaps it was begun
47:39
Speaker 2: by a rogue loaner, but it became more of that
47:43
Speaker 2: because he recruited people to help him out, and clearly
47:47
Speaker 2: that is that's a lot of the case here is
47:52
Speaker 2: that he wasn't the only one who knew about it.
47:54
Speaker 2: So it's maybe maybe Tom, maybe it was begun by
47:58
Speaker 2: a rogue staffer, but was continued on by rogue staff
48:04
Speaker 2: well or not rogue.
48:06
Speaker 1: Well, how did Watergate begin? It begun with a bunch
48:09
Speaker 1: of people who you know, did Richard Nixon know that
48:12
Speaker 1: was happening at the time? Probably not. When they broke
48:14
Speaker 1: into the Watergate but what got you. It's the cover up.
48:17
Speaker 1: It's not the it's not the crime. If it had
48:21
Speaker 1: just been guys broke into the Democratic National Committee offices
48:24
Speaker 1: at the Watergate hotel, that does not get the president
48:26
Speaker 1: to resign. That is not you know, there's a bunch
48:29
Speaker 1: of stuff that happens after that. That is where the
48:31
Speaker 1: actual issue is. This is an important point, and we've
48:34
Speaker 1: talked about this a few times, but Stack Junior says
48:36
Speaker 1: they have at ninety days to respond and the NCUB
48:39
Speaker 1: and notice allegations hasn't even dropped yet. This is a draft.
48:41
Speaker 1: Supposedly all of that is true. This is an ESPN report,
48:45
Speaker 1: but a draft of the Notice of allegations. This is
48:47
Speaker 1: not the official notice of allegations. We talked about that
48:49
Speaker 1: a few times. I just want to make sure we
48:51
Speaker 1: reiterate that, and you know, this is the ESPN dot
48:55
Speaker 1: com summary of the draft of the Notice of allegations.
48:58
Speaker 1: This is a lot more information and then we had
49:00
Speaker 1: because I think there was a lot of you know,
49:02
Speaker 1: what is the NCAA going to be able to prove?
49:03
Speaker 1: And this certainly gives you a bunch of different stuff
49:06
Speaker 1: that they feel like they can probably prove. So this
49:09
Speaker 1: is You know, this is good information. This is not
49:12
Speaker 1: the official document, This is not even a report about
49:15
Speaker 1: the official document that is still to come, but you know,
49:18
Speaker 1: this is certainly worthwhile information. There. There are a few
49:24
Speaker 1: a few comments some Michigan folks in the comments that
49:27
Speaker 1: I think we you know, bringing up some things that
49:29
Speaker 1: I think are worth would.
49:31
Speaker 2: I just fascinating if that ninety day response window, those
49:38
Speaker 2: ninety days will coincide with like the game week or
49:41
Speaker 2: like leading right up to when Michigan finally responds to
49:45
Speaker 2: that as like leading, like their ninety days is eight
49:48
Speaker 2: days before Ohio State and Michigan play.
49:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is this is the top There are one
49:57
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen days until the Mission game as of
50:01
Speaker 1: as of Monday, so you know the night, you know,
50:05
Speaker 1: if this does come out, the ninety day response is
50:07
Speaker 1: going to be right in that week. If this the
50:10
Speaker 1: official NA comes out, that ninety day of response window
50:13
Speaker 1: is going to be sometime in November, when there's already
50:16
Speaker 1: a lot of thought and conversation abound the Ohios datet
50:18
Speaker 1: Michigan game and rivalry that is all. You know, this
50:23
Speaker 1: this will only make it more so two years in
50:24
Speaker 1: a row of potentially a wholes conversation about the about
50:29
Speaker 1: the Ohios det Michigan rivalry and what it could all mean.
50:33
Speaker 1: Here's one a couple of things, and this is just
50:35
Speaker 1: kind of I'm picking one guy out of here just
50:38
Speaker 1: to sort of because it's been sort of representative of
50:40
Speaker 1: some of the comments that I think we do want
50:43
Speaker 1: to address in dred Roberts's botting tickets is not a violation,
50:47
Speaker 1: smart guy. Now that's the you know college Stallions. Uh,
50:52
Speaker 1: this is the ESPN report that the NCAA is draft
50:57
Speaker 1: obtained by ESPN, States and investigators use ticket information, film, photographs,
51:00
Speaker 1: and interviews to trumpets. Stience had impermissibly scouted at least
51:03
Speaker 1: thirteen Michigan opponents on at least fifty occasions between twenty
51:06
Speaker 1: twenty one and twenty twenty three. He directed others just
51:08
Speaker 1: scout sell opponents multiple times, including one team that they
51:10
Speaker 1: scouted seven different times from twenty twenty two according to
51:12
Speaker 1: the draft. So yes, no one is saying that buying
51:16
Speaker 1: tickets is a violation. It's right in there. Stallions had
51:21
Speaker 1: impermissibly scouted at least thirteen figure Michigan opponents on at
51:24
Speaker 1: least fifty occasions between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three.
51:26
Speaker 1: So buying tickets is not a violation impermissibly scouting in person.
51:32
Speaker 1: It's right in there, impermissively That's what that means. Against
51:35
Speaker 1: the rules, impermissibly scouting, that's the violation. Deleting texts and
51:41
Speaker 1: the follow up deleting text is not a violation. I
51:43
Speaker 1: mean it's again, you know it is a More could
51:49
Speaker 1: face a show cause penalty and possibly a suspension for
51:52
Speaker 1: allegedly deleting a thread of fifty two text messages from
51:55
Speaker 1: with former Michigan staff are connor staions in October twenty
51:58
Speaker 1: twenty three. The draft, I mean to read it again,
52:02
Speaker 1: the draft, which could you be subject to change states.
52:04
Speaker 1: More could face a show cause penalty and possibly a
52:06
Speaker 1: suspension for allegedly delighting a thread thread of fifty two
52:09
Speaker 1: text messages with former Michigan staff for ConA staions in
52:11
Speaker 1: October twenty twenty three, on the same day that media
52:13
Speaker 1: reports revealed Stalliances was leaguing in effort to capture the
52:15
Speaker 1: play calling tagles of future punts. Right there, there's a
52:18
Speaker 1: cause and effect there. More could face a show cause
52:22
Speaker 1: penalty and possibly suspension for allegedly deleting a thread of
52:24
Speaker 1: fifty two text messages right there self. Evidently that is
52:29
Speaker 1: a that is a a violation. And then the last one,
52:35
Speaker 1: I don't see stallions. I didn't see salliings with a
52:37
Speaker 1: camera on the CMU sidelines. Now that that's a whole
52:40
Speaker 1: separate conversation here. Where first of all, the you know,
52:43
Speaker 1: at the time, at the time this all happened, this
52:45
Speaker 1: all came out last fall. He had sunglasses that had
52:49
Speaker 1: a camera in them, Like the people identify based on
52:51
Speaker 1: the photo that there was a specific model of sunglasses
52:54
Speaker 1: with a camera in them. So you know, that's all
52:57
Speaker 1: been stuffed and addressed long ago. You know, the Central
53:00
Speaker 1: Michigan thing is so interesting because they addressed that he's there.
53:04
Speaker 1: Central Michigan fired a staffer who had previously worked at
53:07
Speaker 1: Michigan who you know, it's impossible to say, Tony, how
53:11
Speaker 1: did he get on the side lines, How did they
53:12
Speaker 1: even know who he was? How could how could any
53:14
Speaker 1: of that possibly have happened? And it's like, well, it
53:17
Speaker 1: feels like I already have the answer to that question,
53:20
Speaker 1: don't we.
53:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the fact that this guy, this Central Michigan
53:24
Speaker 2: coach was fired like a week ago as you're preparing
53:28
Speaker 2: for the season, Like, you don't fire people right now
53:31
Speaker 2: unless there's a very very good reason, and that was
53:34
Speaker 2: you know, they got rid of their quarterbacks coach. It's
53:35
Speaker 2: not a graduate assistant to the graduate assistant. This is
53:39
Speaker 2: a quarterbacks coach that is very, very involved. You're like,
53:41
Speaker 2: you know what you got to go and you know
53:44
Speaker 2: that was that that's the coach that as was attached
53:48
Speaker 2: to was a student assistant at Michigan under Harbaugh. You
53:51
Speaker 2: can do that math. I'm not going to do it
53:52
Speaker 2: for you, but it's the central Michigan thing. And you
53:57
Speaker 2: don't need to be recording anything advance scouting in person
54:00
Speaker 2: and they're being in the same game as at the
54:02
Speaker 2: same stadiums as a future opponent is not allowed. We've
54:05
Speaker 2: seen other coaches that get dinged for that accidentally, like
54:08
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not supposed to be here. So this
54:11
Speaker 2: is the level of really trying to grasp onto some
54:17
Speaker 2: of these things, like buying tickets is not that's the
54:20
Speaker 2: kind of an intellectual dishonesty that you can't reason with.
54:23
Speaker 2: And you know, we can try, like talking about it,
54:26
Speaker 2: I have no problem with we should talk about it
54:28
Speaker 2: because maybe it helps somebody else, but it's not going
54:30
Speaker 2: to help those people. Not gonna help somebody like that
54:32
Speaker 2: that is latching onto that and has to latch onto it,
54:35
Speaker 2: because that's really all they have.
54:39
Speaker 1: Super check from Jim Smith. I'm just glad that after
54:40
Speaker 1: ten months, there's finally they finally figured out Connor Stallions
54:43
Speaker 1: was at the Central Michigan game. Impressive how far Michigan
54:45
Speaker 1: fans can bury their heads in the sand. You know,
54:48
Speaker 1: I don't think there's been a whole lot of question
54:50
Speaker 1: that it was him, going back to I mean, when
54:53
Speaker 1: when did that come out? That was? That was like
54:55
Speaker 1: last November, right, it was. It was kind of right
54:57
Speaker 1: as all this stuff was sort of happening, some one
55:00
Speaker 1: found a video of the Central Michigan Michigan State game
55:03
Speaker 1: and kind of went, hey, that guy with the you know,
55:06
Speaker 1: funny news and glasses and fake mustache on sure looks
55:10
Speaker 1: a lot like Connor Stallions. And you know, I think
55:15
Speaker 1: that that was broadly assumed to be him and Central
55:18
Speaker 1: Michigan essentially, you know, but by not saying it wasn't him,
55:23
Speaker 1: they more or less told you it was him immediately,
55:27
Speaker 1: Like it was just there are not that many people
55:28
Speaker 1: on the sidelines. It was very you know, it was
55:31
Speaker 1: very obvious. You know, there's this is not an Ohio
55:33
Speaker 1: State game, this is Central Michigan. Probably had you know,
55:36
Speaker 1: thirty people with passes on the sidelines, like it's not
55:38
Speaker 1: that hard to go through and go, oh no, that's
55:40
Speaker 1: actually that's actually Steve and he you know, he's one
55:43
Speaker 1: of our trainers. Like, but once that didn't happen, it
55:46
Speaker 1: was kind of like, okay, so unless you're invested in
55:49
Speaker 1: the idea that it wasn't him, it was pretty obviously
55:52
Speaker 1: it was him.
55:52
Speaker 2: Well and mcelwaine Jimackwain, the coach there was that week
55:58
Speaker 2: the week after said I don't know where that sign
56:01
Speaker 2: stealing guy came from, or I don't know anything about
56:03
Speaker 2: that sign stealing guy, that sort of thing. And if
56:05
Speaker 2: this is a guy like yeah, that's Jeff from video,
56:08
Speaker 2: you know, like that's very easy to know that's Connor
56:11
Speaker 2: from video. Actually it's very easy to tell who it is. Now.
56:16
Speaker 2: I have been fascinated by the lack of anything coming
56:21
Speaker 2: out of that like this. The lack of reporting or
56:26
Speaker 2: investigation that has been that hasn't been there has been surprising.
56:30
Speaker 2: I know, Central Michigan is stonewalling at this point. And
56:33
Speaker 2: you know, we can't talk about any ongoing NCAA violations
56:36
Speaker 2: or anything like that investigations, but like that's that's just
56:41
Speaker 2: another example of the level that certainly Kinder Stallion's allegedly
56:46
Speaker 2: went to. And it just seems silly to think that
56:50
Speaker 2: it was just him. And now you no longer have
56:52
Speaker 2: to not to you time, nobody else has to think
56:54
Speaker 2: that any any longer that it was just him, based
56:58
Speaker 2: on well common sense, but also this draft.
57:02
Speaker 1: And you know, let's this is the last one. I
57:05
Speaker 1: promise we're not going to humor this any long longer.
57:09
Speaker 1: But you know, insistence insists, its absolute insistence that no
57:15
Speaker 1: no one even knows if that was Connor Stallions or not.
57:18
Speaker 1: They have not you know, they have not confirmed that
57:21
Speaker 1: video was him, even if somebody actually from actually actually
57:26
Speaker 1: they don't know for sure he was on the sideline. Okay, ready, ready, ready,
57:31
Speaker 1: so link link the request was Lincoln article that shows
57:34
Speaker 1: that it was that says with him, Okay, from the
57:37
Speaker 1: ESPN article we've been reading from this whole show. The
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Speaker 1: draft also states the NC double gathered evidence that shows
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Speaker 1: Stallions was on the sideline at Michigan State's season opening
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Speaker 1: game against Central Michigan in twenty twenty three, Stallions was
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Speaker 1: wearing a press, a bench pass, Central Michigan coaching gear,
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Speaker 1: and a disguise. According to the draft, which states that
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Speaker 1: Stallion's conduct quote seriously undermined or threatened the integrity of
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Speaker 1: the nc DOUBLEA collegiate model close quote. The draft does
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Speaker 1: not say house Stallion's obtained a bench pass for the
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Speaker 1: Chippewas sideline. Okay, so so have we now that we
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Speaker 1: now that we've addressed that, I mean, can can we
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Speaker 1: move on? Please?
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Speaker 2: Tom? Do you expect me to believe ESPN right?
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's yeah?
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Speaker 2: Who is who is quoting the draft? Do you expect
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Speaker 2: me to believe the NCAA? I mean?
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Speaker 1: And as far as the the idea of he didn't
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Speaker 1: have a camera, Kevin noon, fuck aheadle dot com. In
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Speaker 1: the comments, Kevin has a link there to the smart
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Speaker 1: glasses the Wayfarer Matt Black graphite polar gradient glasses that
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Speaker 1: are smart glasses essentially like knock off Google glass or
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Speaker 1: whatever where you you are, the glasses with a little
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Speaker 1: hidden camera in them, basically like Homer with the oversized
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Speaker 1: novelty foam cowboy hat with the camera in it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so that's yes. They they know he was there, they
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Speaker 1: know what he was using.
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Speaker 2: Like this is this is uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is no longer something that is really
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Speaker 1: in uh in dispute on anything other than the most
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Speaker 1: fetted fever swamps of the college football internet. You know,
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Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about about the potential penalties
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Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, and the fact that
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Speaker 1: it's it's too soon to make a real judgment or
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Speaker 1: make an informed speculation on what exactly kind of penalties
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Speaker 1: they could be looking at. In terms of this case,
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Speaker 1: Ryan days Beard says, if Michigan was smart, they would
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Speaker 1: come out and take their penalties this year. This is
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Speaker 1: the year they're supposedly going to have a down year.
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Speaker 1: If you fight and then you have a good team
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Speaker 1: next year, yikes. You know the argument for that is,
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Speaker 1: you know, you look at you throw someone, you know,
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Speaker 1: you sort of throw the you throw the guy on
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Speaker 1: the you know, you make your sacrifice, You make your sacrifice,
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Speaker 1: and you say, okay, well we're gonna you know, we
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Speaker 1: we think we're going to get a bull band. And
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're going to get a gold band.
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Speaker 1: But you know, I think we're going to get a
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Speaker 1: bull band. So therefore you take who was it was
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Speaker 1: it Arizona State, There was someone who I think it
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Speaker 1: was last year, last year, two years ago when when
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Speaker 1: Kenny Dillingham got there, I think he basically walked in,
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Speaker 1: walked into the first practice and would and you know,
1:00:03
Speaker 1: figured they were probably not going to be national championship contenders,
1:00:05
Speaker 1: and they took took a self imposed to bowlban and
1:00:07
Speaker 1: then look, seriously, we're cooperating, we're being compliant. Where you know,
1:00:12
Speaker 1: that would all go very much against how Michigan has
1:00:15
Speaker 1: handled a lot of this stuff so far. Not that
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Speaker 1: that's not an intelligent way to do it. And you know,
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Speaker 1: if if it's not a great team or if things
1:00:23
Speaker 1: aren't going great this year, could they take Sharon Moore
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Speaker 1: and offer him up as a sacrifice if you know,
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Speaker 1: as you know, hey, if you're gonna have a lot,
1:00:31
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a show cause you're going to be
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Speaker 1: suspended and multiple you know, you know, potential violations in
1:00:37
Speaker 1: multiple cases. Could they do that? Sure, if it's an
1:00:40
Speaker 1: NCAA thing, you can fire him for cause and not
1:00:44
Speaker 1: have to pay out the balance of the contract. Or
1:00:45
Speaker 1: the buyout or any kind of stuff. This is all
1:00:47
Speaker 1: very theoretical, and this is all several steps down the line,
1:00:51
Speaker 1: but but certainly that is one way that they could
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Speaker 1: choose to handle that if if it gets to that point.
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Speaker 2: Well, and I said that previously they should have fired
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Speaker 2: Jim Harball before he left and once they just once
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Speaker 2: it was clear that they weren't going to get that
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Speaker 2: contract extension to be like, you know what, we're done
1:01:09
Speaker 2: that way, you know he's leaving, just you can't quit.
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Speaker 2: We're firing you. That sort of thing that you can
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Speaker 2: say faced with the NCAA. But I also saiden, I
1:01:17
Speaker 2: just saw somebody else sit here. I think Todd Man.
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Speaker 2: If Michigan goes three and three, I won't be shocked
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Speaker 2: if they take if they self impose a bull ban
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Speaker 2: this year, just you know what, playoffs aren't looking likely
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Speaker 2: and so let's just go ahead and get this take
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Speaker 2: done with. Imagine the twenty twenty hindsight for Geene Smith.
1:01:36
Speaker 2: In twenty eleven, Ohi State was blu and national championship
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Speaker 2: opportunity because they took they were ineligible for the postseason.
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Speaker 2: In twenty twelve when they were undefeated, like this is
1:01:49
Speaker 2: a thing that happens, and so if you have a
1:01:53
Speaker 2: team that the lesser of two teams, you should just
1:01:58
Speaker 2: go ahead and punish the lesser. If we're talking about
1:02:01
Speaker 2: getting something accomplished and winning a national title, since that's
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Speaker 2: all that's important anymore. But yeah, I think I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't expect and I'm sure you don't either. You
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Speaker 2: don't don't expect sure On More to be fired, but
1:02:16
Speaker 2: you know, if things go by, that's something you can do.
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Speaker 2: But I think we know that Michigan stands by their
1:02:22
Speaker 2: coaches because they don't like to admit they were wrong,
1:02:25
Speaker 2: Like rich Rodriguez made it for three years, and two
1:02:28
Speaker 2: of those years were really really bad. I don't foresee
1:02:32
Speaker 2: that happening any longer. And they everybody, everybody that you
1:02:36
Speaker 2: talk to, loves sure On Moore and really respects him
1:02:38
Speaker 2: around you know, the coaching industry, and I'm sure Michigan
1:02:43
Speaker 2: feels very very good about it. But you know, this
1:02:47
Speaker 2: is a tough schedule. You open the week two with Texas,
1:02:51
Speaker 2: week five with USC you know, we'll see what happens there.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, if they go three and two, maybe it's
1:02:59
Speaker 2: just bet. You know, let's take depending on the way.
1:03:02
Speaker 2: The wind is blowing at that point, and if they
1:03:03
Speaker 2: know they've been caught a Mazon blue handed, if you will,
1:03:07
Speaker 2: don you know what, let's just let's just go ahead
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Speaker 2: and take.
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Speaker 1: want to go back to this. We have talked, we
1:03:35
Speaker 1: talked about the lack of institutional control thing, and I
1:03:38
Speaker 1: want to hit that real quickly, because this again feels
1:03:42
Speaker 1: like the most important sense here there's been. You know,
1:03:46
Speaker 1: people are arguing about all sorts of different stuff in
1:03:49
Speaker 1: the comments. The most important sentence of this whole article
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Speaker 1: to me is buried way in the middle of this
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Speaker 1: and at school says. The school also faces a level
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Speaker 1: one violation charge of according to the draft, due to
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Speaker 1: its quote pattern of non compliance within the football program
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Speaker 1: close quote and institutional efforts to hinder or thwart the
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Speaker 1: NC doublea's investigation. That is, you know, I mean, assuming
1:04:12
Speaker 1: that is an accurate summation of the draft notice of allegations.
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Speaker 1: That is, basically, that is the equivalent of getting mf'd
1:04:20
Speaker 1: by the NC double A like they're going to be,
1:04:23
Speaker 1: you know, they're it gets you know, cloaked and bureaucratic language.
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Speaker 1: But that is you know, basically the NC DOUBLEA saying
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Speaker 1: about the worst thing they can say about you. In
1:04:34
Speaker 1: a case like this, where a pattern of non compliance
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Speaker 1: within the football program is one thing, institutional efforts to
1:04:41
Speaker 1: hinder or thwart the NC doublea's investigation is a whole
1:04:43
Speaker 1: separate issue. Those are both things that are viewed as
1:04:46
Speaker 1: very very serious by the NC DOUBLEA. I'm going to folks,
1:04:51
Speaker 1: we love our bylaws, don't we. This is from the
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Speaker 1: nc DOUAA Enforcement Division one Internal Operating Procedures. This is
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Speaker 1: the most recent version, effective February twenty seven, twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: So you're gonna hear lots of stuff about how you
1:05:02
Speaker 1: know the NCAA's changed its punishments and how you know
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Speaker 1: it's not nearly serious and they don't punish anyone anymore.
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Speaker 1: This is from the most recent version Finally, failure to cooperate,
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Speaker 1: lack of institutional quote failure to cooperate? Really right there?
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Speaker 1: First thing in that sentence, lack of institutional control and
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Speaker 1: failure to monitor are among the most serious allegations. Accordingly,
1:05:23
Speaker 1: the following your general guidelines, the enforcement staff will continue
1:05:26
Speaker 1: when determining whether to bring the identified allegations. So let's
1:05:29
Speaker 1: go back one more time. We're gonna We're going to
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Speaker 1: read these back to back. Ready. The school facees a
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Speaker 1: level one violation charge according to the draft due to
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Speaker 1: its quote, pattern of non compliance within the football program
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Speaker 1: and institutional efforts to hinder or thwart the NCAA's investigation.
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Speaker 1: Failure to cooperate, Do I need to draw the dots there?
1:05:49
Speaker 1: Lack of institutional control and failure to monitor Again, do
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Speaker 1: I need to draw the dots there? For you? Are
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Speaker 1: among the most serious allegations laid out in the NCAA's
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Speaker 1: Division one internal operating procedures. Yes, Jim Harbaugh is in
1:06:03
Speaker 1: the NFL. Yes, Steve Clink sales in the NFL. And
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Speaker 1: you know Denard Robinson's not on the staff anymore. They's talking.
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Speaker 1: They're talking about the program. The program right there, they're
1:06:14
Speaker 1: talking about it that in that NCDBA racle. Again, this
1:06:16
Speaker 1: is not a you know, this is not the official
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Speaker 1: na This is a draft and this is the ESPN
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Speaker 1: summation of the draft. Assuming it's accurate. That was the
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Speaker 1: sentence that matters, all right, Tony deep Breath. Lack of
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Speaker 1: institutional control. This is from the NCAA's document. The Enforcement
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Speaker 1: staff does not assume that in an institution violate the
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Speaker 1: NCAA principle of institutional control when one or more Level
1:06:38
Speaker 1: one or Level two violations may have occurred. Instead, consistent
1:06:41
Speaker 1: with guidelines from guidance from membership, the enforcement staff takes
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Speaker 1: a common sense approach and in considering the nature and
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Speaker 1: scope of the violation or violations in a case, together
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Speaker 1: with the institution's specific efforts to create and maintain a
1:06:53
Speaker 1: positive culture of compliance. Where the institution did not have
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Speaker 1: a structure in place to create a culture of compliance,
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Speaker 1: or where there was a breakdown in that structure, a
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Speaker 1: lack of institutional control allegation may be appropriate. Factors indicating
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Speaker 1: institutional control include, but are not limiting to, those outlined below. Generally,
1:07:11
Speaker 1: it is necessary to determine whether in institution's efforts to
1:07:13
Speaker 1: comply with all applicable rules and regulations of the Association,
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Speaker 1: where a in place at the time of the alleged
1:07:18
Speaker 1: violation or violations occurred. B established to deter violations and
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Speaker 1: not merely to discover their existence after they occurred, and
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Speaker 1: see adequately promoted, monitored, and enforced. The factors indicated below
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Speaker 1: are promotion of a culture of compliance, oversight policies and procedures,
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Speaker 1: education and training, due diligence in delegation, authority, program monitoring
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Speaker 1: and review, enforcement, response and prevention of recurrence, and risk
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Speaker 1: assessment and modification. Toning, I'm going to read one more
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Speaker 1: time that sentence from the ESPN article. The school faces
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Speaker 1: also faces a level one violation charge, according to the
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Speaker 1: draft due to its quote pattern of non compliance within
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Speaker 1: the football program close quote, and institutional efforts to hinder
1:07:57
Speaker 1: or thwart the NCAA's investigation. Tony, I'm just laying it
1:08:05
Speaker 1: all out there. Any any thoughts, any dots you'd like
1:08:08
Speaker 1: to connect for anyone. I mean, again, we are not
1:08:12
Speaker 1: speculating on punishments. We're not speculating and in that stuff.
1:08:16
Speaker 1: To me, that one sentence right there, that that should
1:08:21
Speaker 1: be the headline. It's not because there's the big splashy
1:08:24
Speaker 1: thing about Sharon Moore deleting text messages. That sentence feels
1:08:28
Speaker 1: to me like, boy, that's gonna be whenever this all
1:08:32
Speaker 1: comes out, That's gonna be the sentence and the follow
1:08:35
Speaker 1: up from that sentence and the potential punishments that stem
1:08:38
Speaker 1: from that sentence. That's gonna be what we're talking about
1:08:40
Speaker 1: ultimately when all is said and done here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so often when there's say a violation and
1:08:45
Speaker 2: the punishment is going to be handed down, the oays here, gosh,
1:08:48
Speaker 2: can't you have punished the people who did it? You're
1:08:50
Speaker 2: punishing the kids that are here now. You couldn't punish
1:08:52
Speaker 2: the people that were there last year when this occurred.
1:08:56
Speaker 2: And you're gonna have the same people saying that Jim
1:08:58
Speaker 2: Harbaugh's gone, you know, all these jess a man or
1:09:00
Speaker 2: all of these different coaches are gone. Condor Stallions has gone,
1:09:03
Speaker 2: so like there's nobody left to punish or whatever. You know,
1:09:06
Speaker 2: there are still people there that have been involved with this.
1:09:09
Speaker 2: But what is still there is the university that has
1:09:16
Speaker 2: not cooperated until they've been forced to cooperate, and even
1:09:21
Speaker 2: being forced to compel to cooperate, there's still not much cooperation.
1:09:24
Speaker 2: They're just allowing the NCAA like inside the building basically
1:09:29
Speaker 2: at this point. And the you know how many how
1:09:33
Speaker 2: many people has the NCAA has put out I don't
1:09:37
Speaker 2: know however many interview requests. What percentage of those interview
1:09:40
Speaker 2: requests do you think have are being answered with an
1:09:44
Speaker 2: actual interview in this case? I bet it's a very
1:09:47
Speaker 2: small in terms of the key players in this and so,
1:09:51
Speaker 2: and then the failure to monitor thing. This is clearly
1:09:56
Speaker 2: a failure to monitor because if you're monitoring it, then
1:09:59
Speaker 2: you'd be admitting guilt. So like this feels like a
1:10:02
Speaker 2: you know, Catch twenty two kind of thing, like for Michigan,
1:10:05
Speaker 2: because either you knew it was going on or you didn't,
1:10:09
Speaker 2: and neither of those instances. None of those scenarios are
1:10:13
Speaker 2: good for Michigan, and failure to monitor would be much
1:10:16
Speaker 2: better than monitoring the entire situation and knowing what was
1:10:19
Speaker 2: going on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that that feels, you know, all of this stuff
1:10:24
Speaker 1: feels like it's kind of pointing towards a certain direction
1:10:31
Speaker 1: that you know, I don't I don't want to say.
1:10:34
Speaker 1: You know, they're going to go X far and it's
1:10:37
Speaker 1: going to be you know, I'm willing to say with
1:10:41
Speaker 1: a great deal of certainty, Michigan is not going to
1:10:43
Speaker 1: get to death penalty. I will I will absolutely say
1:10:45
Speaker 1: that with no you know, no hesitance, no reservation beyond that,
1:10:51
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, there's been lots of speculation about
1:10:53
Speaker 1: one one or two year bulban and that you know,
1:10:57
Speaker 1: in the article against Sewn Moore could face kind of
1:11:00
Speaker 1: a suspension or a you know, something else in terms
1:11:05
Speaker 1: of at NC double a punishment, in terms of the
1:11:08
Speaker 1: you know, scholarship productions, I don't know, you know, in
1:11:11
Speaker 1: terms of vacation of wins or championships, I don't know.
1:11:16
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a lot of a lot of
1:11:18
Speaker 1: that is going to depend on what they can really find,
1:11:21
Speaker 1: what they can really you know, really tie to this directly.
1:11:26
Speaker 1: And this feels like one of these things where everyone
1:11:28
Speaker 1: has their opinion and it's definitely going to be this,
1:11:30
Speaker 1: or it's definitely not going to be this. This is
1:11:32
Speaker 1: one of these things where you're you're well served to
1:11:34
Speaker 1: let the process play out a little more. Again, this
1:11:37
Speaker 1: is a draft, an ESPN report about a draft of
1:11:41
Speaker 1: the notice of allegations. This is not the notice of allegations.
1:11:44
Speaker 1: So this is you know, this is additional information. It
1:11:46
Speaker 1: is from a credible source, Dan Murphy and Pete Thamil
1:11:49
Speaker 1: of ESPN. So this is not just you know, Joe
1:11:52
Speaker 1: blowsblog dot biz. But you know, these are people who
1:11:56
Speaker 1: are you know, can can reasonably be assumed to be
1:11:59
Speaker 1: connected to folks who would have access to this information.
1:12:02
Speaker 1: So you know, this is you know, all of this
1:12:05
Speaker 1: is suggestive of the direction this is, this is headed.
1:12:09
Speaker 1: Where's it? Where's this ultimately go an end up? We
1:12:11
Speaker 1: don't know, but you know, broadly speaking, Tony, is this
1:12:17
Speaker 1: when you when you read that article, you know there
1:12:19
Speaker 1: have been lots of people saying, oh boy, this is
1:12:21
Speaker 1: terrible news from Michigan. Oh boy, this is great news
1:12:23
Speaker 1: from Michigan because of what it doesn't say, like is
1:12:26
Speaker 1: this good news for Michigan? Is this bad news for Michigan?
1:12:30
Speaker 1: Is this you know hasn't really moved the needle for you?
1:12:33
Speaker 1: But you know, again we're not speculative and in specific
1:12:37
Speaker 1: punishments or any kind of stuff, But you know, is
1:12:40
Speaker 1: this good news or bad news for Michigan?
1:12:43
Speaker 2: Broadly speaking, I don't think it's good news for Michigan
1:12:46
Speaker 2: and that it's and I mentioned this on the first
1:12:49
Speaker 2: live show we did today after practice. Once there is digging,
1:12:53
Speaker 2: there is more digging and and maybe the local media
1:12:57
Speaker 2: will start digging as well into this, and then you know,
1:13:00
Speaker 2: who knows what comes from that. But I'm still of
1:13:04
Speaker 2: the opinion, like I don't know what to think of
1:13:07
Speaker 2: the NCAA in terms of where are they in terms
1:13:12
Speaker 2: of what do they want to do to punish, because
1:13:14
Speaker 2: I think they have enough to levy a very substantial
1:13:18
Speaker 2: punishment when we when we've seen Michigan is already on
1:13:20
Speaker 2: three years probation for basically stone walling and an investigation
1:13:26
Speaker 2: of a handful of level two violations which are generally
1:13:31
Speaker 2: just washed away by most unless you lie about them,
1:13:35
Speaker 2: and then it becomes a level one. This you already
1:13:38
Speaker 2: have the like the level ones, you have some level two's,
1:13:43
Speaker 2: and the program itself, the university itself, is being levied
1:13:47
Speaker 2: an allegation. So none of this is good news. And
1:13:52
Speaker 2: you'll see some Michigan fans and people around there just
1:13:56
Speaker 2: rolling their eyes or laughing it off and all to
1:14:01
Speaker 2: that may be what happens from the NCAA in terms
1:14:04
Speaker 2: of like what is it used to be vacating wins?
1:14:08
Speaker 2: Was the slap on the wrist that didn't count.
1:14:10
Speaker 1: You know that.
1:14:11
Speaker 2: Now it's like, that's the one thing you don't want
1:14:13
Speaker 2: to have happen if you're Michigan because that's the national championship.
1:14:16
Speaker 2: So go ahead and put us on probation for another
1:14:19
Speaker 2: three years. Six years of probation. Who cares? It used
1:14:22
Speaker 2: to be that used to mean something. I'm wondering with like,
1:14:26
Speaker 2: how do you how do you punish a program now
1:14:29
Speaker 2: in terms of say, scholarship reduction? Right? And this is
1:14:33
Speaker 2: just me wondering with nil, Like what would a more
1:14:39
Speaker 2: apt punishment at this point be, Like you only get
1:14:42
Speaker 2: to use half of your twenty percent that is supposed
1:14:47
Speaker 2: to go to the players, Like but then you're punishing
1:14:50
Speaker 2: players again, like the money, like you're trying to punish them,
1:14:56
Speaker 2: and you know, you remove some scholarships, but what is
1:15:02
Speaker 2: a five scholarship reduction? When it was eighty five used
1:15:05
Speaker 2: to mean a lot more than it would now. So
1:15:07
Speaker 2: there are some adjustments that are going to have to
1:15:09
Speaker 2: be made in terms of punishment. So I don't know,
1:15:11
Speaker 2: I'm not at this point unless there is you know,
1:15:15
Speaker 2: we'll see more, but I just don't know how I'm
1:15:19
Speaker 2: not gonna say vindictive. That's just how serious the NCAA
1:15:23
Speaker 2: is about punishing somebody for all of this, for the
1:15:29
Speaker 2: non compliance and the lack of being forthcoming when trying
1:15:33
Speaker 2: to interview people and talk to people about this, because
1:15:37
Speaker 2: both of those things are very very bad.
1:15:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are both things that the NCAA views as
1:15:44
Speaker 1: very very serious. And you know that again, as you
1:15:48
Speaker 1: said earlier, the last time it was level two stuff
1:15:52
Speaker 1: and it was you know, is this this is the
1:15:53
Speaker 1: case that was kind of Jim Harball bought cheeseburgers for
1:15:56
Speaker 1: two kids at the Brown Jug and look at the
1:15:58
Speaker 1: NCAA making a martyr of and all that kind of stuff. Well,
1:16:01
Speaker 1: they were n C double A COVID era visitation violations
1:16:06
Speaker 1: as well, which they take a little more seriously, but
1:16:08
Speaker 1: that was all likely to be just level two stuff.
1:16:12
Speaker 1: That's like, you know, everyone gets dinged for level two stuff.
1:16:15
Speaker 1: Schools turn themselves in for level two stuff all the time,
1:16:17
Speaker 1: and it's kind of, oh, you've got to go through,
1:16:21
Speaker 1: you know, more continuing education and boys of that punishment
1:16:24
Speaker 1: enough n C double A continuing of education. But what
1:16:29
Speaker 1: turned that into a level one and got them on
1:16:30
Speaker 1: probation was that Jim Harbaugh thought it was stupid, and therefore,
1:16:33
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh didn't cooperate, and Jim Harball thought there shouldn't
1:16:36
Speaker 1: be a violation and therefore he didn't cooperate. And well
1:16:39
Speaker 1: then if you lie to the NC DOUBLEA, that turns
1:16:41
Speaker 1: it into a level one, especially if it's the head coaches.
1:16:45
Speaker 1: Guess what Jim Harbaugh did again in this case, Jim
1:16:47
Speaker 1: Harbaugh also thought this was stupid, and Jim Harbor also
1:16:49
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1:16:51
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1:17:47
Speaker 1: I want to get to real quick from Wing manted
1:17:49
Speaker 1: our postseason awards in Jeopardy, Joe Moore, etc. I don't
1:17:54
Speaker 1: know that I've ever seen. I mean, like they took
1:17:56
Speaker 1: Rogie Bush's heisman away for a while for NCAA Vias,
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1:18:04
Speaker 1: That just showed back up in Heritage Hall at USC
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1:18:11
Speaker 2: To that question.
1:18:13
Speaker 1: I you know, that's probably up to the individual, you know,
1:18:17
Speaker 1: the the organization that awards each of those things. You know,
1:18:21
Speaker 1: I am not expecting a vacation of the Joe Moore
1:18:24
Speaker 1: Award to be the most consequential piece of whatever this
1:18:28
Speaker 1: punishment is.
1:18:28
Speaker 2: Though well, and a lot of the none of the
1:18:32
Speaker 2: awards want to be associated with this, So the best
1:18:34
Speaker 2: way to not be associated with it is just to
1:18:36
Speaker 2: like move on and not bring it up and not
1:18:39
Speaker 2: have the award removed, because then then you've got award vacated.
1:18:44
Speaker 2: Like throughout the rest of the of time, your Wikipedia
1:18:48
Speaker 2: page of your award winners is like, no award, award vacated,
1:18:52
Speaker 2: and it's like, now we're associated with that. So if
1:18:55
Speaker 2: you just leave it be, then you know, with Michigan won,
1:18:59
Speaker 2: the Joe Moore went, and twenty two Gosh won. If
1:19:03
Speaker 2: it helps an offensive line to know what a defense
1:19:08
Speaker 2: to have an idea of what a defense is going
1:19:10
Speaker 2: to do, I don't know. I don't know. It's crazy thought, Yeah, you.
1:19:14
Speaker 1: Know, I'm I'm not you know, of many things that
1:19:17
Speaker 1: I think we probably don't have enough information on yet,
1:19:20
Speaker 1: I think that that's certainly one of one of those
1:19:23
Speaker 1: things that we probably just you know, general general good
1:19:27
Speaker 1: idea for life. Maybe let things play out before you
1:19:30
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1:19:34
Speaker 1: a bad mantra for lots of other pieces of life
1:19:38
Speaker 1: as well. Coconut dream says a nice show, Tom and Tony,
1:19:41
Speaker 1: thank you. We appreciate that, appreciate all of you guys
1:19:44
Speaker 1: joining us today. Let's let's just wrap this up real
1:19:47
Speaker 1: quickly with one quick run through, because again the number
1:19:51
Speaker 1: keeps growing, So we're going to run through this one
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Speaker 1: more time and they're going to wrap this up in
1:19:54
Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes. Run through the story right
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Speaker 1: now from ESPN Dan Murphy Pete Thamil of ESPN. New
1:20:04
Speaker 1: Michigan head coach Sharon Moore is one of seven members
1:20:07
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty three football program accused of violating
1:20:09
Speaker 1: NCAA rules in the draft. At the NCAA's nose of
1:20:11
Speaker 1: allocations obtained by ESPN, the draft, which could be subject
1:20:14
Speaker 1: to change, states more could face a show calls penalty
1:20:16
Speaker 1: and possibly a suspension for allegedly depleting a thread of
1:20:19
Speaker 1: fifty two text messages with former Michigan staffer Connor Stallions
1:20:22
Speaker 1: in October twenty twenty three, on the same day that
1:20:24
Speaker 1: media reports revealed Stalliances was leading an effort to capture
1:20:26
Speaker 1: the plane calling signals of future opponents. The draft states
1:20:29
Speaker 1: at the text were later recovered via quote device imaging,
1:20:32
Speaker 1: and more quote subsequently produced them to enforcement staff close
1:20:35
Speaker 1: quote More is accused of committing a level two violation.
1:20:37
Speaker 1: According to the draft, Former Michigan staffers. The article continues
1:20:41
Speaker 1: a little later on former Michigan staffer as Jim Harbaugh,
1:20:43
Speaker 1: Chris Partridge, Jennard Robinson, and Stallions are also accused of
1:20:46
Speaker 1: committing Level one violations, the most serious category in the
1:20:49
Speaker 1: NCAA's enforcement process. The school also faces a level one
1:20:52
Speaker 1: violation charge according to the draft due to its quote
1:20:55
Speaker 1: patterned non compliance within the football program close quote, and
1:20:58
Speaker 1: institutional efforts to hinder worthwart the NCADA Blaze investigation. Former
1:21:01
Speaker 1: coaches Jesse Minter and Steve Clinkscale are also accused of
1:21:04
Speaker 1: recruiting violations unrelated to Stallions in the draft and you know,
1:21:08
Speaker 1: I mean we've said this several times already that sentence.
1:21:12
Speaker 1: The school also faces a level one violation charge according
1:21:14
Speaker 1: to the draft due to its quote pattern of non
1:21:16
Speaker 1: compliance within the football program, close quote, and institutional efforts
1:21:19
Speaker 1: to hinder earthwart the nc doublea's investigation. That's that's it.
1:21:23
Speaker 1: That should be the you know, uh Japanese bomb Pearl
1:21:28
Speaker 1: Harbor size headline for this story, where it's you know,
1:21:33
Speaker 1: that's it. That's the story. That's where the potential consequences
1:21:38
Speaker 1: are going to come. You know, the significant potential consequences
1:21:42
Speaker 1: beyond probably just an individual person is there's already three
1:21:46
Speaker 1: years probation from Michigan through the previous violations. Now you
1:21:50
Speaker 1: got this, and they're accused of a pattern of non
1:21:54
Speaker 1: compliance within the football program and institutional efforts to hinder
1:21:57
Speaker 1: athwart the nc doublea's investigation. To me, Tony, that's where
1:22:02
Speaker 1: this starts and ends in terms of if there are
1:22:05
Speaker 1: going to be significant program punishments, that's where it's going
1:22:09
Speaker 1: to come from.
1:22:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the the institutional efforts basically, and we mentioned
1:22:15
Speaker 2: earlier lack of institutional control. This is overt institutional control
1:22:19
Speaker 2: basically trying to stifle the investigation. And why try to
1:22:24
Speaker 2: hide things unless you already know about them, and and
1:22:28
Speaker 2: you know, like maybe maybe you can hide stuff after yeah,
1:22:30
Speaker 2: after you find out, you can certainly try to hide facts,
1:22:34
Speaker 2: you know. The article then later on goes to talk
1:22:36
Speaker 2: about Chris Partridge allegedly pressuring some a player, an intern
1:22:42
Speaker 2: or somebody to not be forthcoming a player, to not
1:22:46
Speaker 2: be forthcoming you see here on the screen and the
1:22:49
Speaker 2: central Michigan stuff, Like, there are just so many pieces
1:22:52
Speaker 2: to this and you can parise each one, but it
1:22:56
Speaker 2: still comes back to seven staffers and the university. And
1:23:02
Speaker 2: it's hard to parse a university when we're talking about
1:23:05
Speaker 2: each of these things, because they all add up to
1:23:08
Speaker 2: the NCAA not being being happy with Michigan at all.
1:23:11
Speaker 1: Right now, Yeah, so that's this is obviously going to
1:23:14
Speaker 1: be a story we will continue to follow. Uh Okay,
1:23:17
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1:23:18
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1:23:24
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1:23:27
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1:23:31
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1:23:33
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1:23:37
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1:23:40
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1:23:43
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1:23:46
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1:24:03
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1:24:17
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