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POTB 553: A brief IU-Iowa preview and IU football's incredible rise with Tyler Tachman · Podcast on the Brink

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to a new episode of Podcast on the Brink, Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: January fifteenth, joined by an old friend of the site,
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  Speaker 1: still a good friend of mine, Tyler Tashman of the
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  Speaker 1: Des Moines Register, one time student writer for Inside the
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  Speaker 1: Hall Not covers the Iowa Hawkeyes before we get to Tyler.
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  Speaker 1: the winner has really helped us there. So appreciate everyone
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  Speaker 1: following along there watching the press conferences. The support is
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  Speaker 1: again very appreciated. Tyler, you're joining us from a hotel
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  Speaker 1: I believe, not sure exactly where, but you were in
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  Speaker 1: Mackie Arena last night for a really good game. I
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  Speaker 1: watched most of it. Purdue beats Iowa seventy nine seventy two.
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  Speaker 1: For those unfamiliar with what Tyler is doing now covering
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  Speaker 1: the Iowa Hawkeyes football and basketball. So we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk some basketball with the Hotkeys coming to Bloomington this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: We're also going to talk some IU football because Tyler
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  Speaker 1: covered IU football he was a student at IU, and
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  Speaker 1: he also covered the Iowa Indiana game, which is I
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  Speaker 1: believe one of the closest, if the not closest, maybe
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  Speaker 1: the Ohio State game. The Iowa Indiana football game was
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  Speaker 1: as close to a test as Indiana got this season.
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  Speaker 1: But Tyler, welcome back to the show. How's it going good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm coming live from West Lafayette, Indiana fan's favorite place
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  Speaker 2: in the world. So yeah, it was a loud atmosphere
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  Speaker 2: last night, and Iowa kind of ran out of gas.
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  Speaker 2: They played much better than I thought they were. But
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  Speaker 2: lots of lots going on on your end from an
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  Speaker 2: Indiana perspective, I'm sure. So I'm glad to glad to
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  Speaker 2: be back. And you call me an old friend, or
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  Speaker 2: you call me old. I thought I was still pretty young.
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  Speaker 1: You're getting older but not old yet, so I know
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  Speaker 1: if you're old, I'm really old.
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  Speaker 2: I was getting a haircut the other day and they
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  Speaker 2: they my barber found a gray hair and I was
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  Speaker 2: just like, man, cut that off immediately.
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  Speaker 1: So man, I'm past the point of no return on that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that that game last night. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I had commented earlier in the season when Iowa played
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  Speaker 1: at Michigan State that it wasn't just a very esthetically
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  Speaker 1: pleasing game to watch in any way because both teams
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  Speaker 1: were just beating each other up. I thought last night,
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  Speaker 1: in terms of Big Ten games I've watched this season,
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  Speaker 1: was one of the more entertaining games. You know, Iowa
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  Speaker 1: came out the first half, shot the ball really well
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  Speaker 1: from the peribter. You kind of wondered if they were
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  Speaker 1: gonna be able to sustain that in the second half.
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  Speaker 1: They were going to have to really continue to shoot
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  Speaker 1: the ball really well in the second half to win.
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  Speaker 1: But Perdue, just at home is really tough, made you know,
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  Speaker 1: three or four more plays and that's ultimately the difference.
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  Speaker 1: But for an Iowa team now that comes to Bloomington
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  Speaker 1: on three straight losses, what's where are they at just
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  Speaker 1: as a team right now? And what can we expect
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  Speaker 1: to see from this group when they come to Assembly
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  Speaker 1: Hall on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Perdue game, they they actually went on
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  Speaker 2: a ten to ozer run in the second half, took
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  Speaker 2: a nine point lead, and then things kind of slipped away,
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  Speaker 2: but they held Braden Smith scoreless in the first half.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of jarring to watch because he just
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  Speaker 2: looked totally out of rhythm and kind of like a
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  Speaker 2: shell of what you expect him to be. Then he
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  Speaker 2: turned it on in the second half had sixteen points.
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  Speaker 2: That's so the way that game went was sort of
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  Speaker 2: the narrative of Iowa season in a sense where they're
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  Speaker 2: able to put up a fight against some of these powerhouses,
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  Speaker 2: but they're not able to close the deal. They took
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  Speaker 2: Iowa State down to the wire on the road, who
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  Speaker 2: they just lost their first game of the season against Kansas,
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  Speaker 2: and then a Purdue team that has, you know, only
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  Speaker 2: lost one game to Iowa State. They took them down
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  Speaker 2: to the wire and weren't able to finish the deal
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  Speaker 2: i was I would losses have come to Michigan, State, Illinois, Purdue.
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  Speaker 2: I Was State the only outlier, so obviously those are
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  Speaker 2: really good teams. The only outlier was a loss at Minnesota,
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  Speaker 2: which Indiana is familiar with. But they've lost. The teams
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  Speaker 2: for the most part that they've lost to have been
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  Speaker 2: really good. On the other side of things, they don't
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  Speaker 2: really have a signature win, yet similar to Indiana as well.
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  Speaker 2: So this is if this is sounding kind of familiar,
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  Speaker 2: it's because it is. They're, you know, both programs. Obviously
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  Speaker 2: with first year head coaches, there's some athletic and physical
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  Speaker 2: deficiencies compared to other teams in the Big Ten. So
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  Speaker 2: similar trajectory to Indiana in a sense where I think
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  Speaker 2: I would maybe there's a little bit more optimism just
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  Speaker 2: because there's a little bit more leeway just in terms
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  Speaker 2: of the expectations of the program. But I was coming
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  Speaker 2: into Bloomington losing three in a row. Minnesota was the
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  Speaker 2: one that you kind of that's the biggest disappointment of
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  Speaker 2: the season thus far. But then iowall lose this to
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  Speaker 2: Illinois by single digits perdue by single digits, and and
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  Speaker 2: that kind of has snowballed in the three game losing
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  Speaker 2: street where they're trying to change at in Bloomington.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask you just the parallels
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  Speaker 1: between these teams this season when you kind of look
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  Speaker 1: at the rosters. The more I've watched Indiana, and I
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  Speaker 1: know you've watched them a good amount too, and I
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  Speaker 1: know you've watched Iowa every game, but both of these
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  Speaker 1: teams feel like with their surpout liars. Obviously, Lamar Wilkerson's
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  Speaker 1: playing it probably a second or third team All Big
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  Speaker 1: Ten level. Bennett Sturtz is playing at an All American level,
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  Speaker 1: probably going to be a top fifteen pick in the
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  Speaker 1: draft based on what mock draft should look at for
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  Speaker 1: next summer. But outside of those two guys, really you
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  Speaker 1: look at these rosters and you say, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of pieces that probably aren't normally on a Big Ten roster.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm curious as you watch these teams, is that
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  Speaker 1: kind of the biggest hurdle that both of these coaches
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  Speaker 1: are going to have to overcome in the next couple
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  Speaker 1: of years when they build the programs, is really upgrading
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  Speaker 1: the talent, because for the most part, they've got a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of bit major guys trying to compete at the
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  Speaker 1: high major level. And in some games you kind of
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  Speaker 1: mentioned it, same thing with Indiana, I would you know,
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  Speaker 1: they beat a lot of the teams that maybe have
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  Speaker 1: similar talent or less talent, but when they go up
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  Speaker 1: against a team with more talent or maybe an inside presence,
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  Speaker 1: it's much harder for them to compete.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's similarities. I think there's also some differences because
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  Speaker 2: it's weird when we talked when we previewed this Indian
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  Speaker 2: and Iowa game last season, it was like, can I
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  Speaker 2: will make enough threes and can Indiana or can I
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  Speaker 2: will kind of hold up on the inside and uh,
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  Speaker 2: And now it's kind of reverse a little bit, where
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  Speaker 2: Indiana is kind of just chucking threes and hoping for
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  Speaker 2: the best and i was is a much slower pace.
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  Speaker 2: They're are more defense oriented. So it's the teams are
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  Speaker 2: similar in a sense but also different. And Indiana didn't
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  Speaker 2: have the benefit of Ben McCollum brought six Drake transfers,
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  Speaker 2: so there was a lot of continuity there and guys
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  Speaker 2: who have experienced playing together, whereas Indiana, you know, Tucker
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  Speaker 2: Derees and Darren Devrees obviously have that that familiarity, but
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  Speaker 2: it was guys from a bunch of different rosters that
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  Speaker 2: didn't have that experience playing as a as a more
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  Speaker 2: collective unit. Now, obviously I was sprinkled in transfers elsewhere,
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  Speaker 2: but the styles of play are vastly different than than
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  Speaker 2: what we've seen. But there are similarities in the sense
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  Speaker 2: of just not being quite fit for you know, the
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  Speaker 2: Big Ten level. From a physicality standpoint, it's weird because
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  Speaker 2: it feels like it's sort of a one to eighty
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  Speaker 2: Indiana wise, like they were so interior oriented under Mike Woodson,
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  Speaker 2: whether that be Trace Jackson, Davis or Omar Ballo Malik
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  Speaker 2: renew And now I mean, I think Indiana fans are
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  Speaker 2: desperate for a Malik Renewer Omar Ballo on the inside,
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  Speaker 2: and and it's kind of flipped.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's interesting to see.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's definitely more geared toward the modern game,
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  Speaker 2: perimeter oriented. But now you know, Indiana is just really
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  Speaker 2: lacking that inside presence whereas I was is similar in
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  Speaker 2: that sense, they haven't They don't have kind of that
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  Speaker 2: six' eleven bruiser that you really need in The Big
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  Speaker 2: ten to be.
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  Speaker 1: Successful so do you think that's really something that both
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  Speaker 1: of these programs are gonna have to address going? Forward
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  Speaker 1: OR i, know you know more about the philosophy Of
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  Speaker 1: ben McCollum in terms of how he wants to build a.
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  Speaker 1: Team but the More i've watched This indiana team With
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  Speaker 1: Reed bailey And Samuel lexis against let's, say A, purdue
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  Speaker 1: A Michigan state Of michigan that combination is not going
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  Speaker 1: to be good enough and the, Inside And i'm curious
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  Speaker 1: how you think both of these teams moving, forward programs
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  Speaker 1: are going to have to rethink the. Interior do you
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  Speaker 1: think it's going to be a situation where they're going
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  Speaker 1: to have to go out and get maybe not a
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  Speaker 1: guy that they look to throw the ball and post,
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  Speaker 1: up but in terms of rebounding and shot, blocking it
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  Speaker 1: seems like both of these teams are really going to
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  Speaker 1: need to upgrade in that area moving forward if they
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  Speaker 1: want to be one of the top ten teams in
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  Speaker 1: The Big. TEN i think there's a balance you can.
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  Speaker 1: Strike for, example right Now indiana feels like it's gone
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  Speaker 1: from one extreme to the. Other BUT i think having
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  Speaker 1: some semblance of just a guy who can grab a
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  Speaker 1: defensive rebound more consistently and a guy that can at
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  Speaker 1: least alter some shots and be the turn at the
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  Speaker 1: rim is kind of a necessity if you want to
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  Speaker 1: compete at least at the very top of The Big.
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  Speaker 2: Ten and you have to realize, too like it's these
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  Speaker 2: coaches coming, in it's not easy to put together a
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  Speaker 2: roster as quickly as you have, to, like and that's
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  Speaker 2: where another similarity is both of them basically inherited nothing
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  Speaker 2: LIKE i mean there was maybe For iowa they had two,
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  Speaker 2: returners only one of them was a scholarship, guy but
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  Speaker 2: both of them were essentially starting at ground zero and
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  Speaker 2: having to build a roster from the, top from the bottom.
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  Speaker 2: Up so it's not, like you, Know indiana has more
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  Speaker 2: resources Than. IOWA i don't think that's a. Secret they
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  Speaker 2: have a bigger name brand and that type of, stuff
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  Speaker 2: but it's not like it's you, know that's just part
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  Speaker 2: of the the way that the environment. Is now when
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  Speaker 2: you come in as a head, coach you're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to build things from the bottom and that's what both
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  Speaker 2: of these programs have had to. Do AND i think
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  Speaker 2: you're seeing some roster building weaknesses because of the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they just had to put things together as best
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  Speaker 2: as they, could and For iowa in, particular moving, forward
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  Speaker 2: the two biggest needs ALREADY i can tell in the
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  Speaker 2: off season are size and, Talent like you need to upgrade.
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  Speaker 2: Talent you need to get some talent at the, level
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  Speaker 2: at the big ten type, level and then you need.
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  Speaker 2: Size you need some more physical interior, presence and you,
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  Speaker 2: know most of the players ON i was, roster similar To,
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  Speaker 2: indiana didn't begin their career at The power conference. Level
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  Speaker 2: the guy that was most experienced on eye what the
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  Speaker 2: power conference level coming into this season Was Brendan. Hauson
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  Speaker 2: he barely even. Plays he had played At villanova In Kansas.
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  Speaker 2: State it's kind of been a weird storyline that he
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  Speaker 2: hasn't played a whole. Lot fans are are wondering about.
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  Speaker 2: It ben McCom has kind of not given a great
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  Speaker 2: answer to. It but and then the second most experienced
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  Speaker 2: player Was Cooper, kotch who was a red shirt freshman
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  Speaker 2: last year or he read shirted last, year played just ten.
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  Speaker 2: Games so that speaks to the fact that like, these you,
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  Speaker 2: know these aren't necessarily Like big ten type, rosters and
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  Speaker 2: that's just the fact, that you, know these coaches kind
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  Speaker 2: of had to do their best to put together rosters
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  Speaker 2: in a short time.
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  Speaker 1: Frame, yeah it's not, easy you. Know part of the
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  Speaker 1: problem right, now obviously In indiana Is Kurt signette is
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  Speaker 1: making it look, easy and as we, know what he
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  Speaker 1: is doing is in many ways one of the most
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  Speaker 1: improbable stories ever in college. Sports and so obviously people are,
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  Speaker 1: wondering you know why isn't this easy for basketball to
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  Speaker 1: make a? Turn And i'm not saying That Darren derees
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  Speaker 1: is or is not going to work out as a,
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  Speaker 1: coach and the same thing any. COACH i, mean it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to tell in the first, year BUT i think
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  Speaker 1: when you have the backdrop of in this part of
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  Speaker 1: the country where we, are you look At Pat kelsey
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  Speaker 1: came in last season That louisville made the, Tournament Mark
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  Speaker 1: pope came in At kentucky made A sweet, sixteen And
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  Speaker 1: indiana fans are kind of wondering the same thing as
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  Speaker 1: like if this team doesn't make the tournament or barely squeaks,
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  Speaker 1: in like was something? Wrong BUT i think you also
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  Speaker 1: have to have some context just in terms of the
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  Speaker 1: difficulty of when you go in the portal and any,
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  Speaker 1: ways you're kind of rolling the dice on a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these. Guys you're building a relationship with them in
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  Speaker 1: such a quick amount of, Time you're hoping that some
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  Speaker 1: pieces will fit. Together and one of the problems right,
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  Speaker 1: now And i'm not sure how this is In iowa
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  Speaker 1: in terms of their depth BECAUSE i haven't really studied
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  Speaker 1: them as close to, yet having not written the, preview
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  Speaker 1: But indiana's got a situation where they've got five of
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  Speaker 1: their thirteen scholarship players have basically contributed nothing this, season
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  Speaker 1: and so the depth is pretty. LIMITED i think that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of one of the things with the portal is
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  Speaker 1: you don't necessarily know what you're going to, Get WHEREAS
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  Speaker 1: i do think An iowa, situation being able to bring
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  Speaker 1: those players From drake and having a familiarity with them
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  Speaker 1: has kind of given them a leg. Up so maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's a little bit why they have a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a higher upside this. Season because McCollum has had these
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  Speaker 1: guys in the, system he's been more familiar with, them
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  Speaker 1: AND i think kind of looking back at When derez
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  Speaker 1: came over From West, virginia kind of the one THING
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  Speaker 1: i think people question was the fact that he only
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  Speaker 1: Brought tucker and didn't really bring any of his high school,
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  Speaker 1: signees and so that kind of put him a little
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  Speaker 1: bit behind. Too But i'm just, curious when we go
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  Speaker 1: into this game On, saturday in your, mind what are
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  Speaker 1: the two or three things to watch for on the
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  Speaker 1: actual court that will ultimately determine the.
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  Speaker 2: OUTCOME i was got to figure out how to Run
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  Speaker 2: indian off the three point line because THAT i, mean
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  Speaker 2: it seems kind of like With indiana's feast or, famine
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  Speaker 2: whether if they're able to hit, threes they have some
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  Speaker 2: serious momentum to. Them if they're, not then there's not
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot that they can turn. To SO i
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  Speaker 2: would being able to defend the three point, line and
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  Speaker 2: in Particular Lamar wilkerson because he can just really get
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  Speaker 2: on a, heater SO i was been it's been a
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  Speaker 2: major difference Because ben McCollum puts a major emphasis on,
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  Speaker 2: defense which was very clearly not an emphasis under the pass.
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  Speaker 2: Regime so that's been something new to For iowa fans
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  Speaker 2: to kind of digest and seat. Unfold but it hasn't
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  Speaker 2: the defense against better, competition like Against, illinois Against, purdue
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  Speaker 2: it hasn't been as good as it was against the
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  Speaker 2: lower level, competition which again IS i think just a
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  Speaker 2: product of the fact that it's guys taking a step
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  Speaker 2: up in. Competition what other things to, WATCH i, Mean Bennett,
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  Speaker 2: sturtz you, know can Can indiana contain? Him it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of been a little rocky road in the sense that
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  Speaker 2: like if you, know if he's if guys aren't making
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  Speaker 2: plays around, him Then iowa doesn't have a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: to turn to because they don't they don't have a
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  Speaker 2: legit number two option outside of. Him like some games
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  Speaker 2: It's Tavon, banks who was The Missouri Valley conference Sixth
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  Speaker 2: man of The year last. Season in some games it's
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  Speaker 2: Cam manniaw who played At drake as well last. Season
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  Speaker 2: so it's not they don't have like an established number two.
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  Speaker 2: Option and THEN i think just the fact of like
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  Speaker 2: both of these teams probably will be playing with the
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  Speaker 2: level of. DESPERATION i, mean this is this is a
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  Speaker 2: pretty big game In january for for both teams THAT
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  Speaker 2: i was trying to avoid a four game losing streak
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  Speaker 2: and going into, this they had a three game stretch
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  Speaker 2: here Against Illinois perdue In, indiana AND i felt like
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  Speaker 2: a realistic barometer would BE i would going one and
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  Speaker 2: two and they're zeroing to now that they still have
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  Speaker 2: a chance to hit that by Beating, indiana and this
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  Speaker 2: feels like kind of an early turning point for both
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  Speaker 2: teams of can you? WIN i hate to call it
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  Speaker 2: must win game In, january but like who's going to
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  Speaker 2: play With who's going to be the tougher, Team who's
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  Speaker 2: going to be able to make those little plays down the.
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  Speaker 2: Stretch from What i've, SEEN i Think iowa is the tougher.
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  Speaker 2: Team that's kind of one Of ben McCollum's calling cards
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  Speaker 2: in terms of getting his guys to play with a
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  Speaker 2: lot of intensity and a lot of, fire and that's
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  Speaker 2: what The iowa fan base Has it's been a welcome
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  Speaker 2: thing that The iowa fan base has. Seen BUT i
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  Speaker 2: think that that might be a major key in the
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  Speaker 2: game is just who can kind of make plays down
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  Speaker 2: the stretch and be the tougher.
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  Speaker 1: Team, YEAH i, mean you never want to call a
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  Speaker 1: game in mid Mid january must. Win BUT i think
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  Speaker 1: for both, teams if they hope to make THE ncaa
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  Speaker 1: tournament right, now neither one of them have what you
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  Speaker 1: would call a great. Resume. Win they've got, wins but
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: there's nothing that really stands out on the. RESUME i
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: think in the, preseason you, thought you, know with What
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: indiana was Playing Kansas state And, marquette you thought maybe
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: one of those teams would pan out to be. Decent
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: they both turned out to be not very. Good AND
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: i think WHAT i would Beat old miss right at one,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: point but they've not turned out to be very good.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Either so For, IOWA i, mean going on the road
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: and beat in The indiana will definitely be a quad one.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Win it would be a resume. Win but For, indiana
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: they've already lost a One Big ten home, game they
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: lose another, one you still Have purdue In Michigan state.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Coming you kind of look at the schedule the rest
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: of the way and you, say, realistically to make the,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: tournament you're probably gonna have to get to Ten big ten.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Wins they've got three right, now and if they can't
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: win this, GAME i have a hard time seeing them
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: get to Ten big ten wins giving themselves a chance
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: to make the. Tournament agree with, you it's A it's
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: an important game for both. Teams we'll see it'd BE
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: i think an interesting atmosphere In. Bloomington the students will be,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: back so we'll see how they turn. Out that they
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: can obviously change things in that building and make it.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Difficult But iowa just went to in my, opinion the,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: toughest if not one of the toughest road venues in
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: The Big ten and hung right in there With. Purdue
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the paint crew is obviously always there and has the
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: place full and a great. Atmosphere so looking forward to
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: that matchup on On, saturday let's talk some football. Now
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: obviously With indiana coming up to it still feels crazy
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: to say playing the national championship game On monday night Against.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Miami what was the last season you were AT iu?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: COVERED i know you covered football right in that fall
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: for The. Star what se was That allen's last season
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: or second to?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Last it was his second to last. SEASON i covered
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: the third to last and second to, last which we're
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: both pretty, bad SO i kind of suffered through some
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: of the some of the lows of that.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Tenuere so when you covered That Indiana iowa game early
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: in the, season obviously things were much different in terms
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: of How indiana is being viewed. Nationally they've obviously went
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: on to have many big, wins but in many, ways
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: that was one of the more competitive games that they've
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: played this. Season why do you think that Was looking
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: back on, it why do you think that was such
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: a competitive. Game iowa actually had a chance to win
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: there in the fourth. Quarter indiana had to make some
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: plays to escape there with a.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Win, yeah BECAUSE i would Made indiana play their style
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Like iowa plays a very you, know lower, possession they're
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: not going to make a whole lot of, mistakes low,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: scoring grinded, out physical type game In, Indiana you've seen
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: like how they've played Against alabama where it just becomes
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: that the offense just runs. Wild it becomes just a scoring,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: fest even the way that they played Against. Oregon But
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: iowa was able to Make indiana play the time type
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: of game that they, wanted low, scoring you, know force
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: They Fernando mendoza through an interception late in that, game
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: which really could have sealed the game For, iowa but
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: they weren't able to take advantage of.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: It but that's.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Why that's How iowa was able to make that a,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: game was Making indiana play their style and be playing. Physical,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: so you, know it's it was a very what if
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: season For iowa in the sense that they they Took
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: indiana down to the, wire they Took oregon down to the,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Wire they lost To Iowa state when they were, ranked
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: and they went on the load on the road and
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: barely lost TO Usc so they were very you know
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: it it's a moral victory type, thing which given how
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Long Kirk farence has been, there it's some people won't
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: buy into, that But iowa has shown that it could
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: play and compete with some of the best teams in the.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Nation this, season they just didn't quite have that juice
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: to finish the.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Job how surprised of, you as you, know someone that's
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: now covered The Big ten football for was this your
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: third third season Covered? Iland, yeah how surprised have you've
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: been just at What signette has been able to. Do
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: but you've been to a lot of these venues around the.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: League you've seen kind of how you, know it always
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the thing that kind of annoyed me most of the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: season last couple of two, seasons really is this whole
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: narrative that you, know it's so much different in THE.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Sec it's so you, know the every team in THE
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: sec can win a. Game but it was always. Dismissed you,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Know indiana would go and beat these, teams you, know
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Like Michigan state last season on the, road they just
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: absolutely crushed. Them they went TO usc and crushed them last.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Year are YOU ucla last season early and beat. Them
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: that was kind of one of the first wins of
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: The signetti era that opened people's. Eyes but it was
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: always this. Narrative, well, well the teams in The Big
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: ten at the bottom or are weaker than what's in THE.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Sec and now we kind of see THE sec went
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: away quietly in the in the, playoff and The Big
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: ten put two teams in the semi final and has
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a team poised to play now for the national. Championship
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: but What signetti's, DONE i, mean is there any way
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: to put this in context or you, know just you
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: watching it covering an Opposing Big ten, Team like what's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: been going through your mind watching these last two, seasons
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: especially this? Year you, know last YEAR i thought many
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: people thought maybe they caught lightning in a. Bottle but
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to do it again this year and be even, better to,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: me it's it's as remarkable a story as we've seen
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: in college.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Sports, EVER i think what's most impressive to me is
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: like how Easy indiana has made it. Look and it
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: obviously hasn't been, easy because turning a program from that
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: low and taking it to the heightst it's been is not,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: easy but it just like from an outside, perspective it
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: has looked so, easy and the fact That indiana for
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: so long made a living fumbling games basically like not
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: being able to rise to the, moment and now that's
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: what they excel. AT i, mean you, know the way
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: that they were able to pull out the game Against,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: iowa the way that they were able to win At,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: oregon the way that they Beat Ohio state in The
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Big ten. Championship it's like no moment has been too
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: big For, indiana with the exception Of Ohio state in
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the first season and it last, SEASON i should, say
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and Then Notre dame on the, road like those are
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the two like. Outliers other than, that Like indiana has
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: met every single challenge and then they've just been bludgeoning teams.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Too it's not like they're just kind of like maybe
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: this team of destiny that's scraping by everyone and they're
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: getting a bounced their. Way like they are just straight
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: up obliterating, teams And signetti puts his foot on the
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: gas and just doesn't really let. Up so IT'S i,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: MEAN i when he came in and you, know he
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: was talking a big game and came out in assembly
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: hall and said what he, SAID i was just, LIKE
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: i Don't i'm not sure this guy knows what he
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: has coming for. Him Because indiana, football it can be
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: very humbling in terms of like winning, obviously AND i
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: thought that this was gonna quite possibly be a pretty
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: quick face, plan and he has proved me wrong in
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: every regard because there's just basically from day, one it's
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: taken off and just been a wild ride in a
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: very impressive.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Manner, YEAH i think most people probably thought this the
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: same thing you were thinking when he said the, stuff
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: AND i think actually a lot of that stuff that
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: if you followed his press conferences this, year he's not
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: been that same guy in terms of the image that he.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Projects BUT i think in many ways he felt like
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: he had to do that because he was coming into
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: a program that literally was the worst in college football
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: history in terms of major, programs and he has talked
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: about the fact that when he got there he didn't
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: like the feeling that he got people just were kind
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of resigned to the fact that they weren't going to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: be a winning, program and for him to flip, THAT
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: i think he felt like he had to go out
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: there and say like what he actually wanted to. Do
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and then it's one thing to say, it but then
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to actually back it up and do it is completely.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Different and the thing that's been most impressive to me
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: is throughout a, season usually you're gonna have a game
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: or two where something doesn't go your way and you're
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: gonna have to overcome. Adversity but to their, credit they've
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: had a lot of really impressive blot. Wins but anytime
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: things get tight and they have to make a, play they.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Execute AND i think that has a lot to do
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: with coaching and. Preparation because they don't have the most,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: talent they've obviously got really good, Players AND i think
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: one thing that's taught us more than anything else is
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: it's great to have these recruiting rankings and these star,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: rankings but if you have the right, coach and you
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: have the right, system and you have the right, mindset
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: you can win games at a high level no matter
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: if you, know if you have three, stars two, stars one,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: stars if they're playing at the level necessary to. Win
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: so that to, me the biggest COMPLIMENT i think people give,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: them AND i think it's, true is they don't beat.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Themselves if you're gonna beat, them you're gonna have to
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: do something extraordinary with your level of play in order
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to take them off their.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Game, yeah and talking in terms of rising to the,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: moment like the one that really comes to mind to
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: me is The Penn state game With Omar, cooper the
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: way to the touchdown catch that he, had where Like
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: indiana is just they just rise to the occasion in
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: a way that they haven't for so long under the.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Program and and NOW i mean not to switch back
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to iwould To indiana, basketball but WHAT i feel, like
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and you, know there's definitely you can tell in the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: fan base some you, know patients isn't a thing that is,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: uh there isn't a surtplus of, PATIENCE i would, say
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: AND i understand. That but WHAT i think that we're
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: seeing With indiana basketball right now is just a product
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: of the fact that they started, over and they started,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: over and they started over when you cite go through
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: coaches the Way indiana has going From Tom crane To
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Archie miller To Mike woodson To Darren, derees like this
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: is kind of the after effects of. It like it's
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: not a sustainable way for a program to live when
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: you're constantly moving through coaching, changes and that creates a
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: sense of frustration because you're starting over so. Often AND
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: i think that's what we're seeing, now where you, know
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: there's some growing. Pains BUT i don't Think Darren derees
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: has afforded the maybe time to grow that you would
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: out in or the time to kind of work through
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: growing pains that you would at another. Program and that's
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: just because The indiana program in a, sense is just
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: kind of cannibalized. Itself like this is what you get
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: when you just have to when you keep making changes
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and there's a lack of. Stability that's, Like that's one
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: of the THINGS i hear consistently With iowa football is
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: how how much players like the, continuity Like Kirk farns
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: has been there for almost three decades And indiana basketball
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: just hasn't had. That AND i Get i'm not saying
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: THAT i That indiana shouldn't have moved on from any
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: coaches one way or, another But i'm just saying the
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: reality of the fact is that when you change things
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: so often like, this this is what's gonna. Happen it's
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: not realistic to think that you're gonna hit a home
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: run with a higher like in a way that you
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: did With, Signetti like there's gonna be growing pains and
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: when you don't have that runway to kind of get
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: things moving in the right. Direction this is what's gonna.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Happen. Yeah the More i've thought about just roster building
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and modern college basketball the last couple of, days And
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: i've kind of looked at some of the guys That
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: indiana has on the bench that aren't contributing anything that
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: they brought in via the. Portal the More i've come
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: back to the fact THAT i think to build a,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: sustained a sustaining winning program long, term you can't just
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: be all in the. Portal you have to be able
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: to AND i think that's one reason Why Trent sisley
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: is so important for the future of this. Program having
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a fresh roun on the team that's actually. PLAYING i
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: think if you keep him around three or four, years
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: he can be a player that you can depend on
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: when he becomes an. Upperclassman it's the same. Thing they've
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: got two freshmen for next, season potentially looking to add a.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Third like you, know those guys in time could become.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Players my question is is in terms of the portal,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: now everyone's in such this win now. Attitude are coach
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: is going to be given the chance to actually develop
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: those Guys BECAUSE i Think, devrees, Honestly i've been impressed
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: three of the new coaches in The Big ten this.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Season i've been really impressed With i've been impressed With.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Medved he had some struggles, early but he's obviously Beat
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: indiana AND i went. HOME i think he's a good.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Coach he obviously was a proven. Winner devrees did really
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: good job At. Drake he only had one season At West.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: VIRGINIA i think a lot of the things he does
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: are you, know things that you can win. With and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: same thing with. McCallum he's was a great coach at
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: THE d two. Level he came up to THE d
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: one ranks last year At, drake but obviously coming up
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: to the The big, ten it's going to take them
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: some time to get a. Seat Weet BUT i think
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: for all these, programs unless you're going to go in
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the portal every year and get like four or five,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: studs you've got to have some guys that are younger
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: in your program that you. Developed and that's the THING
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: i worry about right now WITH iu And devreze is
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: is he going to be given the. Patience is he
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: going to be given the time to develop some of
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: these younger players and see how they are in a
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: year or. Two and right now everyone's obviously distracted by
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the football, season but that's going to change here in
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks when the season ends and people
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: start paying more attention to. BASKETBALL i just hope people
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: with all these coaches realize that it's not as easy
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: as just collecting guys, talent putting them out there and winning. Games.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so for, One indiana is in a little
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: bit of a fish bowl just because of that's the
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: way that the eyes on the program and the history
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: and all. That but in a bigger, picture it's just
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: how college athletics and pro spars are now where there's
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: just not a lot of. Patients LIKE i, mean you
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: look at someone Like Deshaun, foster THE ucla head coach
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: didn't make it through two seasons AT ucla before getting,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Fired Jonathan smith At Michigan state who got fired after
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: two seasons At Michigan. State like there's a very quick
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: hook these. Days and you, know it's funny because Like ben,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: McCullum for, instance he was under five hundred in his
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: first two seasons At Northwest Missouri state as their head,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: coach and it was like in this day and, age
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: he might not have survived, That like he might have been,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: fired he might have never been able to. Win he
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: won Four division two national. Titles goes To drake as
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: a thirty one and four season now To. Iowa like
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: some of these stories may not, Happen like maybe If
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Michigan state had held on To Jonathan, smith and it's
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: very likely that this wouldn't have, happened but maybe that
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: he would become a great coach and really Lead Michigan
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: state to. Success but you just don't know because it's
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: so reactionary these. Days and that's that's just kind of
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: how the business is. Now and there's there's LIKE i,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: said there's not a lot of, patients but it's something
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: that it's how. It's coaches are going to have to
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: work around it BECAUSE i don't think it's going to.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: CHANGE i mean that's up to the decision makers like
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: ads and and professional sports owners and things like. That
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: but it's just part of the way sports. Is you,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: know there's just not a whole lot of runway afforded
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: to kind of get your feet wet and grow and
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: deal with some of the you, know ups and. Downs you,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: know it's kind of like a win now. Mentality and
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: what's not made it better is the way the Way
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: signetti has done, it because now everyone is, pointing, Hey
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Kurt signetti did, it why can't We, well that's like
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: a one in a, million you, KNOW i think one
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: in a million type. Deal and AND i don't think
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: it's a good idea to compare the success of a
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: program To indiana football at any, level because it's just
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: not a it's just not a sound, comparison because what
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: he's doing is just so.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Otherworldly, yeah a couple of more to. GO i went
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to THE espn dot com home page and it was
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: some story about identifying the Next Kurt, signetti And i'm
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: thinking to, myself there's probably not Another Kurt. SIGNETTI i,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: mean there's gonna, be obviously coaches that come in and
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: really win at a high. Level but what he's been
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: able to, do AS i, said most remarkable story in
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: college sports THAT i can, remember at least recent. MEMORY i,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: mean there's obviously been a lot of great things to,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: happen but you in college, FOOTBALL i mean there's Been
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: look at how Long oregon's been chasing a national. Championship
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: look at how Long Notre, dame you, know has been
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  Speaker 1: trying to work towards The National. Championship If signetti wins
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  Speaker 1: it On, monday it's gonna, be you, know head scratching
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  Speaker 1: for a lot of people that follow these other programs
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  Speaker 1: that have put in so many, times so much time and.
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  Speaker 1: Resources but it's also a tip of the cap to
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  Speaker 1: the guy and, SAY i, mean you've done one hell
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  Speaker 1: of a job just to even get to this. Position
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  Speaker 1: he's done a hell of a. Job but if he's
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  Speaker 1: able to go win The National, championship to, me it's
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  Speaker 1: it's incredible what he's been able to. Do it's been
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun to, watch And i'm sure you'll
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  Speaker 1: be tuned to the. Game but, First, tyler we Got
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  Speaker 1: saturday's game to take care. Of i'll see you there In,
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  Speaker 1: bloomington looking forward to. It there won't be much just warn,
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  Speaker 1: here there won't be MUCH eu media. There i'll be
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  Speaker 1: there in a couple, others but may be out numbered
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  Speaker 1: by THE iowa. Media, yes, sir have safe trot was.
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  Speaker 1: There i'm looking forward to being back In Assembly hall,
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  Speaker 1: yep and get out Of West lafayette as soon as,
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  Speaker 1: Possible SO i WILL i will all, right all, Right
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  Speaker 1: thanks thanks, again To tyler for joining us on this
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