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Barely Live #58 - Photo Bombing with Hodge · Barely Live

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All right, we'll go with three two one kick it off and not me
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because hello, hello, I agree you better started as Yeah, yeah,
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yes, yes, your dazzled jeans are too tight. I love bugos,
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so folks, we are worldwide love. Oh is that? Paul? How
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is that? How is that? Pop? Your doors so in the way,
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jumping your car jump? Okay, you can use some farmerker Express file
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to get your chickens. Man, I'm drinking very large beer tonight Hark Wires
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in the Refinery at sixteen thirty Meeting Street in Charleston, USA, barely back
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page edition. The Sexy As hosts Mike Benson and Doug and Tucker. Yeah,
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we added to the sexy Ass host list. That's right. She was
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gonna do a new one for me to We got a little tied up.
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That's the the rate. Reagan led better than we know of Salt Lake City.
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Oh that's right. I forgot. She's an actual real person and not
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one of those AI like voice thingies. Yeah, she does have a good
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voice. She sounds like one of them voice people. How to make this
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louder? Wait? Which one you trying to make louder? This? This
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one? Alright? Well, all right, well, hey, hold on,
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hold on a second, Hold on a second, Tucker. Maybe,
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yes, sir, people love it. The people love it. We've got
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Doug in and out right now. He's making deals. Happened right now.
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He's dealing with some uh, some sort of Las Vegas coffee shop or something.
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I don't trauma business coffee trama. I think it is, though,
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it really is. That wasn't that wasn't something what he deals in. It's
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just random quick stops and and take fives all over the country. I'm sure
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there's more to it than that. We'll have him come in here, explain
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the whole thing to us. There we go, that's what everybody will all
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taken that the next over the next two hours, Doug talks commercial real estate.
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Well, it's been a while, talker, welcome back, Thanks dude,
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thanks for having me. It's been it's been a minute. I think
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we needed you to be gone so long, just so we knew how much
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we missed you. Yeah, it's one of the things. It's been like
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four years. It hasn't really been that long. It's been when you had
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your first baby. Issue. Yeah, she's four, she's four, So
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it's been it's been, right, right there at it. I mean,
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I think the old Pineview location. Yeah, we forget how long we've been
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doing this show, Like, I mean, I think the last time I
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was on here it was Damien doing a new flood Typeline or something. Right,
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Yeah, Damien, Damien and Terry Claus. Now, well we have
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talked to Terry, We've made communication, and we're gonna do a show like
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right before Christmas, guys, we all can and Terry Claus is coming,
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He's gonna be calling. Maybe Damian Damien will least be oh wow, if
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it would be good to see Damian for about seven seconds, if Terry lets
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Damien take the sleigh up here from Beuford. If we can't get Terry,
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but I bet we can get Terry. I feel the thing is is Terry
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is normally too drunk to drive the sleigh himself. That I will say that,
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like Damian, Yeah, like that brings up a good point. Like
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everybody I think's got those people in your life where like you care enough about
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him where you want to like look at him, be like oh You're still
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alive, and then you don't want to actually make eye contact. You know,
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you just want to see him and be like, oh, there's that
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person, and then okay, I've seen it. Not I can do no
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kind of like that Thanksgiving family reunion once a year. I talked to you
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for ten minutes. I'm good for the year. Ye. All of a
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sudden, I feel like we need to do a red carpet. So what
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are you wearing? You're wearing the Zealand and sims? What's under what are
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we wearing under there? What's that hoodie? Just blue birds off off brand
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blue shirt special? And Mike, what are you wearing tonight? I'm actually,
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uh, I'm marsh wearing out from like toast and nose up. I
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got the earth Tone series, little marsh Ware, this little hoodie jacket thing,
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I know what that's about. But a little shout out to Marshware and
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then a new hat. What's the undershirt shirt? You were? I told
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you I was like nose to toes. Well here so you can get to
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you to yesterday? No, do this podcast? Well, me and Logan,
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you know, Logan was we've on Logan your roommates, you know,
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for at one point time, Marshware and flood Tower operating out of the same
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fraud our house. Yeah, me and Logan have a little deal. I
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won't call it a sponsorship deal because I don't feel like I deserve any level
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of sponsorship from anybody. But uh, I trade you with Logan. I
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trade Logan. He he likes some big tarbin flies. He fishes Costa Rica
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and he fishes here, and we have over the years developed some specific style
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of flies that Logan likes to throw at the tarpain here, and he likes
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to throw at the tarpain in Costa Rica. And so I tie him,
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you know, a box or two of those, and in return, every
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year I get basically a big wardrobe full of marshware. Let me tell you.
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For me, he puts his hand to a box of five hundred shirts
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and it feels like it feels like pulling a snowflake out of the snow.
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Yeah. Well, for me, I get to tie some big, weird
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stuff that I don't normally like. I'm talking like I don't. I was
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gonna say, what what's the time investment? Oh it's a lot. Yeah,
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I mean I get the zone out for a little bit and I don't
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have to buy clothes, which is a we're talking like twelve and fourteen inch
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long articulated monstrosity flies, musky little flies. Basically if you want to envision
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in your head, but tarp and styled, but yeah, styled. It
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works out, Like I think that's the most honest type of uh so,
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it looks like a you Coultant squirrel. It's like the most honest form of
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sponsorhip you can get, right, Like that's a direct trade off. I
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do this for this company. This gives me this in exchange. So he's
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he's sponsored by Mike Benson. Yeah, exactly, Mad Mike's Flies sponsors Logan,
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and and then through Logan Marshware, you know, and then Marshware sponsors
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Mike Benson. It works out. Just everybody's a winner. Yeah. And
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I hate buying clothes, so the fact that it did to show up at
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my house pick them out like that, I don't remember the last piece of
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clothes. And well, I bought some jeans I've had, but like for
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shirts or like, I don't remember the last time I bought. My wife
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was like, are you going to clean out your closet this winter? I'm
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just like, I'm not gonna have any clothes. I wouldn't got a new
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pair of pants. I had an art show a couple weeks ago, I
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was like, you know, these these khakis aren't gonna cut it anymore.
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I bought a new T shirt yesterday. Uh, and all of you can
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buy a new T shirt. Pauw Pucket is now released T shirts again.
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Yeah. Just you know Paul Pucket's fine art website. M hm, you
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should google that. It's do you have a sample? No? No,
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it's these print house things, you know, So are you gonna have one
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here? I couldn't buy one from you right now? No, you know,
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it's not how it works. I can hand you the phone with the
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link all set up and you just pick your their custom their custom made per
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order. So yeah, it's a print house and I've never done this.
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I'm not gonna lie to you. Them somewhat nervous about it, but I
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feel I feel like they've got it pretty looped up by now where they know
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what they're doing with it. So you just send them like that design and
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it's all format so they have a bunch of shirts to choose from Bella Canvas.
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I'm super familiar with that shirt, so I got no problem with the
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shirt. I don't need to sample the shirt because we use that same one
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Bella Canvas three thousand and one short sleeve and it's the silver one we did
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that. We did a couple of things with that, and I know the
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good shirts, the image uploads they put it on there. I feel like
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by now they should know how to do that, and I feel good about
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it. They even let you personalize the little tag on the inside and it's
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the Chris Farley bull Redfish or it says it's got to be your bowl and
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it's like Chris Barley on the b Yeah, it's a classic. I mean,
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that's a classic, classic POLP place. So I gotta haven we bring
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the Predator, but I gotta have one. Maybe Predator will be the next
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one. No, we'll see flood tides on the shelf right now, and
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the flood the predator blocks to flood tides, so I can't. Yeah.
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Yeah, I really don't even know who owns that art right now. It
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is still kind of being figured out. But uh, technically flood tight owns
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it. So we'll see what happens. That's all kind of just figured out.
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I do want to say that our friends of the podcast Frigate Reserve Room,
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Oh yeah, we were. We got a fifteen year and a twenty
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one year sitting here on the table. I'm sipping on one right now.
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Tucker's gonna get a sip in a little bit. Friends of the show,
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also Turtlebox. This is the house that Turtlebox built, and there we got
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music playing. Can I just say that, like I I I've had a
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lot of speakers over the years, and I use them various things, but
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I use that turtlebox religiously. You're boxed box. I mean, I didn't
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think it would make that big of a difference, but like the fact that
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I don't have to worry about it, I just thow it out like no
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matter what I'm doing, if it gets kicked or sprayed by the water hoser,
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you know, I mean the amount of punishment that we that that.
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I mean all the Glades trips that we've taken and everything, and there's always
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a turtle box on that trip and they've made it back every single time.
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I can't say that for a lot of a lot of gears. I have
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an entire toe full of camp cooking equipment that disappeared in the Everglades. I
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still don't know where that is, thanks Fait, just a little baglong.
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They're they're durable, portable, waterproof, and loud, very loud. What
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you can hear. That mainly makes sense because you got to be able to
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hear it when you're running a boat, right, and you can't hear a
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little norm It's amazing though. You can have that turtlebox loud as ship.
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When you're leaving the dock. You got to turn that boat up. Where
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you're going, you can't hear anymore. I can hear mine. But when
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you have it loud enough for the ramp, like loud enough for this oh
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yeah yah yeah, yeah, yeah, like you have to turn you have
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to make it uncomfortably loud on the water. But what's really funny is that,
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like if you're sitting down on a docks on the inner coast or whatnot,
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and a boat goes by, and how loud they have their music?
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Yeah yeah, how loud they're talking. You're just like crazy. You can
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hear every single word you're saying. Yeah, and also bho uh oh yeah,
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you know they have the best at blocking the blue light. Sustainable uh,
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employee owned and they're just a good group of folks. Make it really
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good glasses. Our buddy Jay's over there, we know a lot of these
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guys basically just yeah, a good on Earth company, good sunglasses. They're
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big supporters of young Anglers and trying to kind of make sure that the foundation
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is still going. So yours demon. Do you know who carries them here?
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Uh? Yeah, I think I know. Shades does. Even Rivers
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and Glen holds them. They carry them ice glasses. Yeah, so those
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are pretty much the friends of the company. Yeah, we don't have commercials
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necessarily, but we like to shout out to our people. Yeah, but
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that's stuff that we use. Stretch. I'm slipping on the room right now,
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as a matter of fact. Yeah, I might switch gears at least
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for one. I gotta get some ice. Just let the ice be the
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water, though, the ice is the water. Yeah, hard water.
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Ice used to be water, and it will be water again. Yeah,
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it is in some way shape or where it could be steamed too. It
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could be. It could be, but then water vapor, it could be.
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All right, mister wiz, All right, Well, well should we
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get home with some subject matter. I mean we're just kind of catching up.
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Yeah, well, I mean we yeah, we hadn't. We haven't
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done this in a hot minute. So let's start with you, Paulas.
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I mean, you've been yeah, more than anybody else. We're well,
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let's kind of shorter list would be, let's just say where you haven't been.
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And the last September was crazy. We were literally everywhere, man,
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and I was here for August. Uh. But then I said yes to
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kind of a couple too many people. Uh. And I did the One
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flyerly September, which I do that every year. That wouldn't really a guess
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or no thing. I've gotten involved with the One Fly pretty well, and
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it's just it's an awesome thing to be a part of. They do so
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much good for that Jackson Hole Valley, and uh so I'm to be part
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of that. I basically donate a painting and they auction it off. Get
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to do a little fishing, get to be part of the tournament. Did
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not do that great in the tournament. I always do good, like one
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day and then the subsequent day is usually pretty rough. Let me get the
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tunes back on. I don't know what happened here and then and then so
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about ten days later after that, I had a Bronco tournament down to portlo'connor,
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Texas, which I do that one every year as well. Such a
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good group of guys, some guys that I've known for a long time and
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some guys that I haven't known for a long time. So did that tournament,
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and I fished with my buddy, Owen Gaylor and chance Yarborough another artist
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if you like sporting art, I recognize her name. What's that? I
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recognize that name. Yeah, he's a really good artist, So check him
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out. Uh So we did awesome day one. We I think we were
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tied for second after Day one had some nice fish, but we still needed
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that big fish slot tournament. So day two, you know, Day two
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opens like, let's go to the spot and if they're there and we catch
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too these fish, we're gonna win this thing. Oh the Braco. Yeah,
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day two and if they're not there, we're just gonna fish, have
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fun and just accept that we uh, we're not gonna win again for like
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the fifth year in a row. Well you know you're gonna. Well it's
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anyway, it's fun and you know, and Owen gets pretty pumped and spicy
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about it because it's it's his backyard and we've got these guys coming in from
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other places winning. Yeah. So if someone were to come in from Columbia
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or Wilmington here and win a tournament that you've been fishing. You fish here
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every day, wouldn't that be kind of like what the it's a bit of
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slap in the face. Yeah, it is. So he gets chippy about
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it, which I get it. So Chance and I are doing the best
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we can to win this damn thing, and we want to win it too.
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But you need to get distracted by beers and lunch breaks and it just
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gets well that especially but day too, we were pretty focused. So we
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we we we drove the skiff pretty far, and we ran the boat pretty
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far and not the same thing I'm in dry they drove I got yeah,
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okay, y'all want to y'all want to And then come to find out the
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guy that won it for like the third straight year and on the dock he
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drove like an hour and a half and ran an hour and a half like
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he's they're gonna think about maybe limiting your the area. Most places do have
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a range, like between this river and this river. It's also nice because
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of the crowds, though the crowded boats aren't everywhere. But anyway, we
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get to where we're going and we start seeing fish and Chance catches a fucking
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twenty eight inch fish, which twenty eight. The slot is twenty to twenty
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eight, So you can't catch something over twenty eight. Gotcha. If it's
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a hair over twenty eight, that fish just does not count. So is
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this a like kill tournament or like bring them back or take a picure,
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but you have to catch them in the slot. Yeah, so they don't
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count above the slot. So every year you get your your best three fish
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from each day, no best four fish from each day. Okay, So
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but I can improve on first day's fish on second day. Like if I
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only catch one good fish day one, but day two I catch four amazing
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fish, I can overlapped those three from day one, so you can still
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manage it, which I like that. You can have a shit day one
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and still win the thing on day two. So we needed a twenty eight
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inch fish and a twenty seven inch fish, and this place had it.
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We caught. Chance caught a twenty eight inch fish the first hour. It's
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like, holy shit. And from across the pond, I saw two fish
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with their backs out. I was like, and we could tell that they
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were twenty seven to twenty eighth. Yeah, and we made our way over
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there. We couldn't find them again. That was starting to get windy,
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muddy. We had no visibility anymore. The clouds were coming in, so
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we started getting a little frustrated we couldn't find those fish. So then we
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made a move and kind of went in this tight little opening, turned the
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boat real fast, and the pushpole caught this tree branch and popped the push
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pull out and broke the pushbowl holder on the front. Oh Jesus, So
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now we're just kind of nobe deal. We can handle this. It kind
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of sat in there a little bit. About thirty minutes later, we're going
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to the spot that's super smooth, and it hits this clearing or the wind
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and it starts shaking, and right when chance when trying to go grab it,
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it hit the water and the push pole blew up. Oh yeah,
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went into about one hundred pieces. Oh and that was it was only like
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ten thirty uh, and we were we were don't have a pushball. We
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tried for thirty minutes pushing the boat with an eight foot section and it's it's
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it's you have so much hope and like possibility. For about twenty five minutes
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until you look back and ow and just slumped shoulders and throws the fuck pole
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in. It's just like we're done. So that's what happened to that tournament.
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Uh. We ended up getting like eighth place or something, and then
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went to Mexico last week of September, first week of saw Pedro the permit.
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He's coming by for the holiday. Oh will we see him? He's
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coming down. He's coming down. Yeah, he's coming down. That didn't
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mean you know, he's he's coming through. He's gonna he's gonna actually visibly
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up here. Well, i'll stick his tail out ones he's supposed to be
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here. Done. But so I caught or I didn't catch any permit again,
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imagine that. I feel like that's what I've gone three weeks with that
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catching permit, which to me, I think is actually harder than catching one.
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So you've got to like it. This one. You're trying not to
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catch one, So like, how long has it been since you've caught one?
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At least eighteen days of fishing wait in a row. So no,
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I'll get six days a year later, six days, and then five months
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later six days. Well he means like like that. You've gone like the
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last three years basically to Mexico without catching perm two and a half. Yeah,
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yeah, so but I saw more damn permit than I've ever seen in
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October. I've never been there in the fall, which was cool. Saw
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tons of fish, didn't I had one actually come up and eat the fly
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right when I cast it to it. It happened to be right when I
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was going to get that first trip in, right when I'm like, he
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ate it right there, and when he split it out. Yeah, but
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uh, good time, good time with a group from from Texas. My
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friend David Coleman. Palamdy Club is awesome. We got a couple of spots
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open for April. Come on now, letting y' all out there know too.
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We got a couple of spots. Email me Palla my deck club April
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twenty sixth through May third. I'll be in the Keys in May and that
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that'll be all that my wife and the Good Lord allows me, probably for
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next year. But that just means that I'm not gonna take your spot.
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So no, I know the people out there can. We came close a
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few years. We did. We got real close, and then I had
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to go pop out of crotch goblin and here we are. Yeah, what
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is it? Tell me more about child? Yeah? How is that child
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rearing? She's awesome, I mean she really is. It's I mean,
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it's like going me wrong. All you young you know hopefuls out there,
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who are you know? Living the dream? Just remember mad Mike Benson?
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Was you? I was the twenty four year old fishing bum sleeping. Yeah,
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I was that guy. I don't think you were ever. I'm never
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going to have a kid. Oh, and I was ambivalent about children.
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I was like, I like maybe one day, but not. Yeah.
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The problem is that one day caught up to me eventually because I'm getting old
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man, and so like, I don't regret any of it. It's amazing,
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it's great. But let me tell you right now. A child,
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and unless you're Paul Puckett, a child and an active fishing life, they
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don't go hand in hand for a couple of years there they a little suck
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it out of here. You're not compatible, not right away. At some
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point of dad, your dad not let you well, because he could strap
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me to him and walk places where it's like I'm I'm I'm looking forward to
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the day where like Norah is uh takes instruction well enough where I can take
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her in the boat with just me and her. Like as it is right
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now, there needs to be another adult to keep a hand on the small
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child that's going to hurt herself on everything. Yeah, but at some point
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she'll get to the point where I can take her out in the boat and
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know that, you know, with a life jacket on mind you she's not
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gonna do something crazy and kill herself. Yeah, Like Ben and I took
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Piper probably a month ago, right when the season started to change. You
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could tell the end was near at the end of October, and uh,
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he helped me just kind of manage her a little bit. But I can't
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there's no way you'd be able to especially with the till especially it doesn't matter
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what you're running. They were not safely like you could do it, but
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it'd be you could hold her hand or something like almost three in January.
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Oh okay, No, she's not there yet, but it was fun.
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Uh when we were pulling the boat and Ben was on the front, she
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was totally just just oh, what's the word for it. I'm just obsessed
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with just the little snails in the grass. Yeah, that's all she cared
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about. There were like fifty snails in note, so she's she definitely likes
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being out there, like she was having a blast just looking around looking at
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the snails. I pointed a fish out through. I don't think she really
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saw it. Well, you know, I'm looking forward to those I'm looking
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forward to those days where like, yeah, I mean, I hope she
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enjoys being outside because you know, if I'm still stuck on daddy duty,
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we going outside, we're going to be we're going to be in the woods,
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or we're going to be on a boat, which if you keep your
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same work schedule, and I mean I won't, but that's for a whole
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lot of other reasons. But yeah, yeah, the thing is, like
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it's one of the things where I'm just in that weird spot where it's tough
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to really when you have the kid, you know, it's impossible to do
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the things that you want to do, and and you know, and I'm
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in a place too where me and my wife chosen actively not to have like
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childcare. So like I am the childcare. My wife is child care,
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you know, so like I don't have that, and we don't live next
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to family, so I don't have like mamma or somebody I can drop her
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off with and run out. And that's fine. I'm just I'm just having
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to eat it for like a year or two here, ye until I make
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the investment, so to speak. Yeah, and then you work weekends.
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Y'all work every weekend, you know, So it's not like you're really uh
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in a situation where I don't get a day off aase. I work three
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days a week and then I have the well it's not I hate to talk
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like it's babysit. Some babysiting. It's my child. But like, yeah,
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you know, I got four days a week where I have a one
23:04
and a half year old under my feet all the time, you know,
23:07
which limits my ability to do stuff. Yeah music, Well, and then
23:14
I also I think I'm pretty much got a raging case of a d D
23:15
that's never been addressed. And like so I just like at the house,
23:19
I just start ship. I got a giant hole in my backyard right now
23:22
because I'm building deck, and I got I just painted the ceiling. Like
23:26
my day, Like if I told you about what I do on a journal
23:30
day, Like are you okay? Very domestic. Well. I came home
23:34
yesterday and I was like, eh, she does, what do you do
23:37
today? And will you know? Me and Nora we had breakfast uff and
23:38
then she went down for a nap and I painted the ceiling in the bedroom,
23:42
did six local laundry and went in there and I noticed that this thing
23:45
was out of whack. So I adjusted that. Like, I'm like,
23:48
I got a d. D. Don't at least it's constructive. Ad Yeah,
23:53
I'm hop Yeah, I can't. My wife says, I putts because
23:59
when we like around the house and like I just walk around and do shit's
24:02
like will you stop? Buttson? Like, I'm not. I don't want
24:04
to sit down. I don't want to just sit there and do nothing.
24:07
We got Keith coming in town in a couple of days, so Sarah's unning
24:10
around just doing all the little details because Keith he hadn't got his weight to
24:14
notice things, but he just noticed things. But he's not like doing it
24:17
anyway, Like why didn't you fix this? He's like, oh, yeah,
24:19
it looks like this light's out and let's fix it. You know.
24:22
It's just like always something We'll we'll clean the shot of the place and the
24:26
next day, he'll he'll just have to vacuum out like Keith, we literally
24:30
vacuumed. Oh yeah, I just like vacuuming, Paul. It's like,
24:33
okay, Bud, you know what I like to do that My wife did.
24:36
Drives her nuts that I do it. I like folding launder It soothes
24:40
me. Like I will sit there, like while we're watching TV like or
24:42
whatever, like we have a big automan thing, I'll sit there and just
24:45
fold longer I don't. He's like, will you stop and just relax.
24:47
I'm like, I don't know how to say it. I'm not opposite.
24:48
I don't mind doing the laundry. I don't like folding. I just I
24:52
don't mind hanging up the laundry. But I don't like a folder. I'm
24:56
not a folder. Oh I love folding it. It's so cathartic, like
24:59
just and I I folded on nice and it's a warm and just getting in
25:03
straight lines and everything's tidy and shape, and oh man, it makes me
25:07
feel good. And so I think I think part of it comes to some
25:08
trauma from Charleston Angler fold t shirts for hours. Wonder how many? How
25:15
many? And now was that therapeutic for you, Mike working at the Angler
25:18
folding T shirts and help me. It didn't feel good when you got one
25:22
like perfectly square, though, like it feels good. It is. It
25:26
feels this hour of homemaking with Mike Benson. And then you got another crotch
25:32
goblin that comes in and starts ripping them out of the You don't I've learned.
25:36
I'm not been a parent very long, but I learned don't fold under
25:38
in the presence of a child, like you can't get no. They just
25:41
grab all of it and and think help, yeah, help. She grabs
25:48
it and runs and just starts giggling. She knows it drives me. Piper's
25:53
in full y mode right now, folding laundry. Why mine's in though,
26:00
what's that? But she says, she doesn't say what's that. She's starting
26:03
to work on her words, but she said, probably my fault. I
26:07
say dat all the time instead of that with a th h, I say
26:10
dad with a D like I'm like, hey, give me that, And
26:14
I do that all the time. So now she's like, she's just pointed
26:15
things like you have a bug, and then you got that that's it,
26:21
that's a bird. Give that tree that's the same bird. All right,
26:27
that's enough cute kid talk, I guess. But yeah, so, uh,
26:32
you brought your Pascador Mexico Broughcho mess Mesco, Mesco. Then you went
26:37
to the World Series, didn't you do? Oh my god? Did you
26:40
get in one of those games? Or was it the playoffs? I can't
26:41
remember which one. So so I went back to the first of all.
26:45
Yeah, Rangers, this was the season I'll never forget. It's just it
26:51
was more like a relief than it was like some sort of big celebration that
26:53
my granddad was always looking forward to the Range win World Series. My dad
26:56
was always looking forward to it. Neither of them got to see it.
27:00
Uh So for me to be able to see it was almost like a weight
27:03
lifted off my shoulders more than it was like, let's rejoice for this championship,
27:07
which obviously was happy, but almost it was more sentimentally sad happy to
27:12
me to some degree. Also because I listened to the ticket back in Dallas,
27:18
you know, all week they talked about the people on the radio talking
27:21
about it, so I'd be like, would be over there painting and just
27:22
go card. So it was just it was just, uh, I can't
27:27
describe it, but yeah, I went back to the ALCS for a game
27:33
with Buddy Kyle Wright and some other guys Nacho from tail Waters and had great
27:38
seats at that flew back the next day so quick in and out and and
27:44
I'd been to a divisional playoff a long time ago, so never been to
27:47
an LC ALCS. When they got to the World Series, Patman was like,
27:51
dude, you got to come to the World Series game. I told
27:53
him, Man, it would make my life a lot less complicated. I
27:56
didn't come back to a fucking I mean, I've got shit going on.
27:59
And then serious like, no, you should go. I'm like, ah,
28:03
because I wanted to go, but I had so many things. I
28:07
was hoping she would, yeah, do it. I kind of was fine
28:10
if she would, you know, give you the nag, just give you
28:11
like you just get, just give you that out. So Patman like,
28:18
let's say the game was Friday Wednesday. He's like, man, no,
28:19
I got this thing where I do on stub Hub. We're just gonna go
28:23
the day up. I'm gonna take Shelley Friday. We're just gonna look at
28:26
the ticket prices all day and they'll start dropping about three, and I was
28:30
watching it from here because I didn't fly out un till Saturday. And sure
28:33
enough, three o'clock they start dropping from like, let's just say, fifteen
28:37
hundred bucks, they go to twelve hundred, then they're nine hundred, and
28:40
they kind of stall out about eight hundred for getting a good seat. Standing
28:42
room only is were going from five to three hundred down to two hundred.
28:45
So it's like, all right, well, I don't care if I'm a
28:48
standing room only whatever. So that's what I'm kind of playing for in my
28:51
mind. And I get We get there and that game Friday night, Game
28:55
one was incredible, like ninth inning, comeback, three run homer, tenth
29:00
inning walk off homer. So the game was just like exhilarating, took over
29:04
the whole city of Texas, Dallas and Fort Worth. So about two o'clock
29:10
I saw the standing room We took us there about four hundred bucks. I
29:12
was like, well, right now, I could just buy it. And
29:15
I'm sitting in Dallas like Pavina, I'm just gonna buy the scene. No,
29:18
no, we'll get it. We'll get that thing later on. We'll
29:22
get better sheets for the same price. Well, four o'clock came around,
29:26
then started going up. Five o'clock came around. There were hardly any seats
29:30
left and they were triple the price. So then never got in. Well,
29:34
we never got in, But what we did do was go to what
29:37
they call Texas Live. It's like connected to the ballpark and it's like this
29:41
kind of outdoor indoor form. You can hear the roar of the crowd literally
29:45
next door jumbo size TV. It makes you feel like you're at the game.
29:49
So I got to kind of feel the feel the vibe of and we
29:55
also lost. I'm over for two this year. I going to Texas for
29:57
a Ranger games in the playoffs, So it was fun. Uh, hats
30:03
off to those Rangers though, first time world champions. It was cool.
30:06
Yeah, man, well congratulations. That's funny that I just mentioned that,
30:08
because I think I might have forgotten to even talk about it. Hey,
30:11
man, I just I'm just bringing it up, bring up what I saw.
30:15
I hadn't talked to you about it, so, yeah, what the
30:17
hell you been doing, Tucker? Mike? Come on, Well, you've
30:19
been daddy and we've been talking about daddy. Yeah, I've been daddy in
30:22
I mean since the last time we've been here, uh we talked about tarbor.
30:26
I think the last time we do this was in August, late August.
30:29
Yeah, I ain't really I mean in between daddy in and school and
30:33
work, that's about all I get really done anymore. But I did.
30:37
Tucker let me sit in one of his tree stands. I sat one time
30:41
this year and I killed deer and I've been eating on that here lately,
30:45
which, by the way, that will yeahd have you so our local one
30:51
of our local processors did our deer, and they do a and I've had
30:56
other process to do deer and then all of them have sausage and stuff.
30:57
You can get specialty things, man, and uh so I geted their peppers
31:02
and cheddar sausage, smoked sausage. Come on, man, those things are
31:07
Even my wife, who like the sausage we've got from like Southern spots and
31:10
the other places, they're okay, and she's never but she's never been a
31:14
big fan of the venison sausage. But like we were eating those, she
31:15
was, where did you get these? I'm like, that's that deer I
31:18
killed. She was, that's venison. I'm like these are good. I
31:22
mean, they are so good. It was like the they're they're not you
31:26
get no not summer sausage. There actual sausages like le sausages. And I
31:32
did the smoke sausage, which I made up. I made a bad ass.
31:34
Uh. I'm I'm cooking a lot, but I got a lot of
31:37
time at home, and I made it like I told you something, cooking
31:40
a lot, but uh I made a uh yeah, I'm a domestic man,
31:44
but I made a bad ass. Uh can't jumble eye. And I
31:48
used that smoked sausage. And I used the shrimp that I caught myself out
31:53
in the harbor. Made me a jam lie and the big big oh my
31:59
god, boy was good. Yeah, that's it. I mean I killed
32:02
an animal. I did some shrimping to do a lot of shrimping. There
32:06
you go or not, I say a lot. I went twice and I
32:07
cooled out twel I did good. Yeah, I did enough to where I
32:10
didn't need to go. Like I didn't go again because I didn't have any
32:14
more room in my freezer for shrimp, which is a good problem to have
32:15
when you're like, okay, I can't fit anymore here. It's a good
32:21
shrimp problem. Yeah, it's a good shrimp problem. But that's it,
32:23
man, just living the life, just one day at a time, my
32:25
friends, living that dream. Tucker. Now, then the last two and
32:30
a half years of your life. Please continue with your say it's been a
32:35
minute since I tell us everything everything. Uh, let's see here not Yeah,
32:39
it was last year got laid off from a job I've been doing for
32:45
twelve years. So that was fun, two months before my son was born.
32:47
Oh nice, Yeah, so that was that was excellent timing. Took
32:51
eleven months to find another job. Okay, yep, and which, by
32:55
the way, I'd make it like eleven days before I was out of money.
32:59
But so like you did good, Like it just shows how well prepared.
33:01
It was a world worst year in my life because anytime you're not job
33:08
hunting, you feel guilty about not job hunting. But I mean it's not
33:13
like I mean, jobs like posted like you know every day, but it's
33:16
not like you're seeing a thousand new opportunities every day. So it was either
33:23
taking their kid, taking your kid or kids, or pretty much job hunting
33:28
because it was just like, oh, I could go fishing found a job,
33:31
yet like I know someone up at Chili's. But I would say if
33:39
I ever, I mean, because it's inevitable at some point if I continue
33:44
to not work for myself, that you get laid off again. Like the
33:47
first thing, I'm like, I'm gonna go get a job, like at
33:50
a grocery store or something. One you get a discount on grocery and you
33:53
just like, at least you have some money coming in while you continue your
33:58
search. Yeah, but to that, but go to a tackle shop,
34:00
Well yeah, I mean I could do that. Yeah, that way,
34:02
you got to take that way, get the shop discount, but you'll be
34:07
in the same as like, you know. The the best thing though,
34:08
is that, like you keep the tackle job after you get your real job,
34:12
so then you have real people money to buy a tackle shop. Ya.
34:15
That's the thing about the shop rat. You're like, hey, man,
34:17
I got a shop. I'm on pro staff. I got a sixty
34:21
off. Yeah, but you make eleven dollars an hour. You can't afford
34:24
you make sixty percent of what you should be making. Yeah, you can't
34:28
afford that. Real. So I finally got a new job back in March,
34:35
and so shortly thereafter we took off for the Keys. Had a good
34:38
h good time down there the Maiden Voyage. And I still haven't named that
34:44
boat. I got a name him. I just hadn't found anything that's right.
34:46
I don't know. Man, she's pretty. It's got to be right
34:50
because she is. People stopped on, like when we were at lights and
34:54
we're like, hey, man, that's pretty boat there. Yeah that was
34:59
I probably told it on here. I am sure, but I don't care.
35:00
I'll tell the gags. It is on of my favorite stories over uh,
35:02
sitting out a light and Alamorada. Old man rolled up beside us,
35:06
and I was driving Tucker's truck, but I was driving on the driver's side
35:08
and he comes rolling up and he's doing the handwave, you know, like
35:13
the ring winter down. I'm like, oh shit, something blew out and
35:15
skipped, something fell off the damn trailer. Who knows, you know,
35:17
we're all the way on. We're in a one and Alamorada and now I
35:21
always said, was, hey, what year is she? And I said
35:24
I was like ninety five. He goes, she's beautiful, And the old
35:29
salty dude and the keys stops you in traffic to tell you your boat's pretty.
35:32
Yeah. I got something work. I feel like if I had a
35:36
boy cookout sash thing, I just earned me a badge. He had some
35:40
good working for sure. In uh September, punched a hole in the deer.
35:45
First buck I've killed, and long, long time, first deer i
35:50
killed. Okay, time, so got a little euro amount for him,
35:52
and cool got some a bunch of sausage and eating and eating on him on
35:58
the regular. But euromounts. I was a little nervous because I had killed
36:04
a doe a couple of years prior, and I mean went arrow, went
36:10
right through her on big, big mechanical blade. Never drop of blood,
36:15
never found a blood trail anywhere, went and searched for hours, looked for
36:19
a couple of days, honestly, never found her. Found her skeleton the
36:23
next year. Wow, how far off your trail were you? Twenty yards?
36:28
Oh my god. It was this little tiny side trail off of a
36:32
main one that that deer would use to come in and out of the woods
36:37
there, And I just never noticed that. And then I was just walking
36:40
through again and was like, eh, what okay, and walking through I'm
36:45
just like, well, I mean that's I mean, I assume it's my
36:47
dear. Oh yeah, I don't know. But so when I when I
36:52
shot that buck, I mean, god, I'd been in the stand for
36:54
forty five minutes. I mean, you know, in the summer, it
36:57
gets like a lot sooner or some sitting there going I'm like, it's seven
37:00
o'clock. I got an hour and a half more to set and then yeah,
37:04
you know, normally it's about the last thirty forty five minutes where it's
37:07
like all right, phones away, like paying super attention. When I was
37:09
sitting there that I call it the magic lit the magic how Like my wife
37:15
had just texted me, like, have you seen anything? I was like,
37:19
no, not yet. And then I picked my head up and I'm
37:21
like, oh shit, how long has he been staying there? I guess
37:24
you probably. I don't really do a lot. I've never really done much
37:27
of it, but I don't want to say much of it, not at
37:30
all. I mean, can you get pretty just distracted by something for like
37:34
fifteen minutes just be looking at something over there? You pretty pretty good about
37:37
constantly. It depends on where you're sitting. Yeah, I mean I zone
37:42
out a lot, but I mean you get there's different people like sometimes I'll
37:45
bring it like a little book or whatever with me, like not a not
37:49
a page turning book because you're sitting in an open stand, but like a
37:51
candle something where you don't have to move a lot and you rest on your
37:53
leg. I try not to mess with my phone too much, just because
37:58
that's a movement. Will you hear something first? A lot of times?
38:01
A lot of times. But again it depends because the deer where I'm hunting,
38:05
they're coming out of a pine thicket, so it's all pine needles,
38:07
so you don't hear shit, okay, so they just kind of show up,
38:09
yeah, Or if they're going there's a pond right next to my food
38:14
plot, so they'll go over there and get a drink. But again,
38:16
you you're gonna catch them out of the corner of your eye. Now if
38:20
you're hunting up in lodge and you're sitting in the middle of the woods,
38:23
and you might. But I mean I've heard them be as loud as a
38:28
freaking tank. And I've heard it you know where you never even Yeah,
38:30
I mean I've had them where I thought somebody like a person, because people
38:34
are real loud in the woods, but like even good hunters. But like
38:37
I've heard like God d somebody walking in like where it sounded like, yeah,
38:40
a clumsy person walking through the woods. You can turn around there's a
38:44
deer and you're like Jesus. But then I've had other ones where like I've
38:45
literally like looked over and then when you look back, there's one right in
38:49
your stand where the did you come from? So just depends what move they're
38:52
in. Clearly they can be they can they can move in and out of
38:55
places without making a one sound. They're they're sneaky little bastards. So put
39:00
that. Put a fixed blade through that one. And I always aim for
39:07
the back, the bottom third of because if they jump the string and actually
39:12
jumped, there'll be a clean miss and they'll run off and you know,
39:15
be just. But if they drop, which if they do more off then
39:21
they'll it'll be a double lung at least. So it's either you're gonna hit
39:25
a kill shot or you gotta miss. And sometimes I just stand there and
39:30
you want right. So I'm sitting there and I was like, I pretty
39:34
sure I missed I'm pretty sure I missed Low. I don't know how I
39:38
missed Low, but whatever, I'm sitting there, I'm like, Okay,
39:42
I'm just gonna sit here wait and they'll get down look at the arrow.
39:45
Later we'll just see if anything else comes in. And about five minutes later,
39:47
I'm just like, sure enough, good red blood all over all the
39:54
way through them, It's like, okay, well, being that he ran
39:58
in the exact same direction, and is that Doe did, and there's so
40:01
many paths that just cris crossed something that could have gone anywhere. I'm like,
40:06
I really, well, I've got good light. I want to go
40:07
establish where the blood trail is. I'll come back and you know, an
40:12
hour or so and pick it back up. And for those that don't dear
40:14
hunt, the reason this is kind of a risky move is if what will
40:19
happen is they'll run for a short distance if you hit them hard like say
40:22
lungs or even a heart, but usually just more like lungs, they'll run
40:24
a little ways and then they'll stop and lay down because they can't breathe really
40:28
good, and they're going to rest. But if you come up on them
40:30
while they're laying there resting, waiting to die for a minute, they'll jump
40:35
up and run again, and they may not stop for a long way after
40:37
that. So the goal is you want like in my book, unless it's
40:40
real, real hot outside, I wait at least an hour before I even
40:45
go into the woods looking for him, because I don't we call it bumping
40:47
them. You don't want to bump them because then it just makes your job
40:50
that much fun. If you leave alone, they'll go run off and lay
40:52
down and it just be like I need to rest for a second, and
40:54
then they'll just die right there. Yeah. Yeah, So I knew the
40:59
direction that he and off in, and I know that on the other side
41:01
of that pine thicket there's a barbed wire fence. It's got a section of
41:05
it down, so all they got to do is either hop over the single
41:07
line or they go underneath it most time. So I was like, I
41:12
think that's where he's going, and sure enough, walked up right right on
41:17
him, already dead, big bull of blood, so got a heart shot.
41:21
Cool, So it was like, all right, ma'am, I'll just
41:23
go get the truck broke him out. Well, you guys could do that,
41:27
or you could just call up Old Clint McNeil at habitat her Ant.
41:30
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41:36
cows right now. Oh. I was actually we were talking. If you
41:38
want, we're talking about going in on we were Get on his website y'all
41:43
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41:46
I'm getting we're dug and are gonna split something I didn't mean to totally.
41:50
I thought that'd be a good little savent. Well, it's just funny
41:52
because or we had a textring going about like do we want to go in
41:57
as a group on like a half cow or or quarterbef or whatever, and
42:01
we're we're gonna I think we're still debating. Well if you you know,
42:07
if you don't do it this year, you can see what I got for.
42:09
We're gonna split Doug and our splitting an eighth, which is roughly twenty
42:13
five pounds of just kind of different choice cuts whatever. So but with that
42:19
mind, we probably should take a little break. It's been forty two minutes.
42:22
Let's see what happens with Doug and maybe just go ahead and get hodging
42:25
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42:29
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Yeah. By the way, that looks really good, man. We
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can always have the tatoos looking really good. We should have the headsets with
46:07
the microphone with the cool kids. That would be like Garth Brooks. Yeah,
46:12
like Garth Brooks. You get added that it's the only permanent scene after
46:16
that. The budget couldn't afford. Misread. Yeah, I bought. I
46:27
bought these things from We have three different conversations going on. Yeaheable proper.
46:35
This is like the first one we've ever done. I think welcome back,
46:37
Doug. Hey, I'm here man. I made it somehow, though I
46:42
made it. The fact that Doug was here when the side conversation started makes
46:47
sense. Yeah, exactly. I was outside the window the whole time I
46:52
was window you guy. No, I was outside the window like asking you
46:57
to come in from the cold. You were doing that was a joke on
47:01
walk downstairs like that means he's out there doing jokes and bits. No,
47:08
No, I was out there asking to come in from you know what this
47:12
is. We thought you were just like saying I'm sorry, I'm stell on
47:14
the phone. We're like, it's like playing Strange Amobiles. When he's going
47:17
down this wrong, you know, they're just waving at him like play.
47:23
It's an old movie. But yeah, yeah, Thanksgiving movie to everyone.
47:25
Should have seen it last week Christmas. It was really right. Now,
47:32
what's the one where John Candy is like the Poker King of that's full house,
47:42
say four hours. Yeah, I'm at home along but yeah it was
47:45
King of Poker Poke that was Yeah. They were in the box truck.
47:52
That's plays. No, it's not. It's home alone John Ken to get
48:00
home. She got a ride in the box truck with the Oke band.
48:05
Come on, man, well can we at least introduce our guests? Yeah
48:07
we can't. I guess we could try. Justin I was making this quiet
48:15
justin hot straight from Columbia, South Carolina. Well you're a beautiful something.
48:22
Wait bluffed in South Carolina, South Carolina, Carolina. I like somewhere in
48:34
South Carolina. I spent some time in Blufton. Uh it was blurry to
48:39
say the last. Yeah, welcome to the magical studio where all the magic
48:45
happens that the kids just wonder how it all works and how it all happens.
48:51
You're seeing it firsthand. I really am. I'm blown away. This
48:54
is exciting. And you've been down at the whale a little bit. Got
48:58
a little moved up, Doug got a little looped of. He's acting like
49:00
he's on a college really down. They're talking tears. No, seriously,
49:05
I really was outside, really cold. Yeah, well he forgot the reason
49:09
why that he actually ended up back at the whale. It's because the door
49:14
actually locks. There's no you didn't put the rock in the way. Yeah,
49:19
he got locked out. I love how he didn't just look at me
49:22
and go get the door, because the truth is I wanted to get us.
49:27
You wanted to go back, and we'd like to introduce our studio a
49:31
live studio audience was a stucker. He's back in the sea. We got
49:36
Matthew Price from Atlanta, George Price. He goes by matt one game.
49:43
He's got a nautical story he can tell us about later. Yeah, it
49:45
does. Oh yeah, all right, well let's uh, let's interviews here.
49:51
Now, let's talk about Matt's nautical story. I'm just kidding from the
49:54
distance where he can't respond anything. Suggestion. I think I met you when
50:00
you worked at the fish the fishing store, and at the time you were
50:04
a photographer, a budding young photographer, trying my best. Yeah, and
50:07
that's where I met you when we come down there and like kind of show
50:10
you all some flood tied stuff and blah blah blah, and uh that's probably
50:15
ten years ago, roughly not that long, but really yeah, it's been
50:19
more like because I've only been doing this for eight years really, yeah,
50:23
since August well, coming on, you know, okay, towards year nine.
50:28
Yeah, that was I think we uh had flood tied in our store,
50:34
Baron's Outfitters in Columbia, South Carolina, and it had to be it's
50:38
probably like, well, I've been gone for two years, so it'll be
50:42
fourteen fifteen, then probably seven years ago. Okay, yeah, So and
50:46
how did you how did you kind of decide that you were going to try
50:51
this whole photography thing, which in today's world is I would I would think
50:55
it's pretty difficult. Now you've made some changes, You've turned left and turned
50:59
right. I kind of adapted, but it was ultimately it boiled down to
51:05
the amount of state loan money and I'd come out of college. Was was
51:08
super steep. You know, I was looking for an outlet to do other
51:14
things with the money that I made because I stayed on with Baron's Outfitters once
51:17
I graduated college and I became the manager of that store, and so ultimately
51:24
student loans started hitting six months after you graduate. You know, like,
51:28
holy smokes, I got a lot of you probably wanted to do something you
51:30
enjoyed being out there, I mean, but hunting and fishing for me,
51:35
working at Baron's Outfitters was a joy for me. I enjoy hunting and fishing,
51:39
always have, and that's been kind of just where my passion has always
51:44
been. But you know, I started seeing seeing the amount of money that
51:46
I had to put up every every month, and that was crazy. So
51:52
I really enjoyed photographing things with my phone. I you know, I had
51:58
a small little camera that my mom brought me back in two thousand and seven.
52:01
Didn't use it a whole lot, but because phones that advance so far
52:06
from two thousand and seven to twenty and eleven, phones you had the go
52:10
pro go pressure. Yeah, so you know, being able to look forward
52:19
for something that I could do to make residual money to help offset my loans
52:23
every month. What was the first thing, What was the first thing where
52:28
we're like, oh my god, I could make money doing this? Like
52:30
who who's the first person that paid you to take a cool photo and stuff
52:35
something in that? For so long? I mean, yeah, I did
52:37
too. I know what that's like. I know what that's like. I
52:40
think the first moment that I realized that I could shoot photos, Like I
52:45
said, I was always taking photos with my phone, editing them on some
52:49
terrible software that you know, your apps were allowing you to do. But
52:53
I picked up a real camera and photographed my cousin's family back in back in
53:00
twenty fifteen, in July twenty fifteen, and I was able to take some
53:06
really cool images, like just right off the rip, was able to actually
53:09
edit them. And I, you know, I'm not a portrait photographer by
53:13
any means. You know, that's something that I enjoy doing. Yeah,
53:16
but I'm not a that's not me. And to be able to see some
53:21
cool imagery from that moment and first really holding a DSLR in my camera already
53:28
my hand, excuse me, that really enabled me to see that I could
53:31
do something like this to make me money down the road, now the camera.
53:37
Yeah, with a real camera for sure, Yeah, like not your
53:39
phone. So that was one thing that really showed me as I got some
53:45
really cool shots in that moment of photographing a family, which that's not what
53:50
I like to do, but I felt like I could go forward and making
53:54
this work and trying to make a little extra money from that point on.
53:59
And then next month I bought a camera and I bought a computer, and
54:02
I just started getting after it. Gotcha, I mean, how much today
54:07
is any sort of photography tied to a computer. I mean, how many
54:12
guys actually go out and don't even come back to a computer and do a
54:15
lot of editing? Is that that's pretty rare? Right? Part of your
54:19
artistic ability now to make your photos look like this guy's or that guy's is
54:23
a lot of post production, right absolutely? Okay, And I really feel
54:27
like your creative side really shows, and that is is taking a picture is
54:32
one thing. Being able to create something in the way you see it is
54:37
how that that image typically gets portrayed for you. So your artistic style,
54:43
your way of seeing that light and either you know my mind, I imagine
54:47
a lot of things while you know I'm out there and taking a photo and
54:52
being able to recreate something that I have in my own hand, whether it
54:55
was seen when you first take that foo is I know, well, I
55:00
think anybody that's ever taken a picture, a lot of times you sit back
55:04
and you look at that picture and you say, that's not what it looks
55:06
like, that's not how I saw it, that's how that's not what I
55:09
saw in my head. With video, you try to recreate that, though.
55:14
I think when you go back and you try to hit your own stuff
55:17
and you're like, you got everything diced up on final cut or Adobe or
55:22
whatever, you're trying to recreate what you saw in your head. And the
55:29
question I had, and this is so if you're like, if you were
55:32
doing this all over again, if you were trying to get into the business,
55:37
is it more networking with people who can show your stuff or is it
55:44
creating your own like storylines? I think it's it's certainly it's certainly creating,
55:51
creating your own like just with any creative, anybody that that seeks to put
55:57
their thumbprint on a creative, you know, whatever it is. You know,
56:01
whether you're a painter like Paul Is or whether you're a photographer like me.
56:06
You know, your creative style is one thing that draws people to your
56:09
page. Now you know, yes, the networking is huge. Networking.
56:15
Then the networking happens. You have to have basically what you what you're trying
56:20
to say is if you want to make good art, you got to be
56:22
good artists, but if you want to make money at it, you need
56:24
to know how to network. Probably that's probably that's why they always says always
56:31
make more money when they're dead. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that is
56:35
true. That's that's funny. Uh, well, I had a good question.
56:39
Then what happened, Well I'll jump in. So I fish a lot
56:45
with my buddy Germs, which I'm sure you Jeremy, and and he does
56:46
his Yeah, he does. He does his thing, but he always talks
56:51
about to when we're talking about the post production thing. He always talks about
56:55
trying to minimize post production with his skill set at the camera at the point
57:01
of point of taking the image. So, like me, it's infuriating because
57:06
I'm a writer. I write things down, so I rely on taking in
57:09
the moment and absorbing things. So fishing with a photographer for me is a
57:14
nightmare because it breaks that flow. Not not that there's anything against photography,
57:17
and I'm not trying to take anything away from all of it, but what
57:22
trying to set up a certain shot or trying to set up a certain angle,
57:23
because you're trying to both of us trying to tell a story, right,
57:27
and you're trying to tell it through images. When you do video,
57:30
it's such a good marriage when it's done right. When it's done right and
57:34
good and I made when you look at a book and you can see yeah,
57:38
well and sometimes that. But I think, honestly, those guys need
57:40
to be in separate boats because like for me to be left alone to absorb
57:45
what I need to absorb, to see what I need to see, and
57:46
to have the experience I need to have to be able to tell something from
57:50
my perspective from because writing is a lot like what you're talking about. It's
57:53
about your own style, your own personality coming out. So for me to
57:58
do that, I need a certain experience like otherwise, you know whatever.
58:01
But the point I was getting at was, how do do you focus a
58:06
lot on that? Do you focus a lot on trying to tell the story
58:09
from the point of inception or trying to tell it later in post production,
58:14
where do you kind of fall on that scale? Good question. I mean
58:17
I feel like most of it well always going in you you don't know how
58:23
the day is going to lay out. I mean you're just basically just,
58:27
you know, just seeing things as they happen, just as you would as
58:30
a writer. Kansas, Yeah, raw canvas for sure. I think you
58:35
try to portray that. It's it's a little bit of both. I'm more
58:37
of an appreciative of the post because like Paul, he's a great artist.
58:44
I try and see things in the moment, but yet try and put my
58:47
own perspective on artistic value towards the images that I take A lot of times
58:54
that you know, in the moment kind of stuff you take a you take
58:58
a great image. It takes that that it encompasses the story. But then
59:05
on the back end, you know, I really appreciate spinning things, whether
59:07
it's you know, going black and white or just changing a thought process on
59:13
you know, how you saw that day in the moment that you were shooting
59:16
that. So I don't know, I mean too, they're mess and that's
59:24
my point. It's like my thing is like I haven't fished with germs this
59:28
is my only point of reference because having fished with someone who's there with all
59:30
the cameras and all the things, right, you know, he does a
59:35
really good job because he knows me and we're friends, and he knows how
59:37
I roll. So like he very much on those shoots. It's not a
59:40
lot of setup shots like hey, I want you to stand here, turn
59:43
your head this way, hold your rod in this hand. There's not a
59:45
lot of that, right. He just lets me do my thing, and
59:47
he kind of tries to work around whatever I'm doing in the moment because he
59:52
knows how I work. But like you know, I only have that perspective.
59:54
I only have his way of doing, and he's very big on that.
59:58
He's very much I'm gonna take whatever you give me and and live with
1:00:00
it. But I've also been in other places where I've been expected to like,
1:00:05
hey, I want your stand this way, hold the rod looking this
1:00:07
way. I want you to look off. Imagine you're looking like you know
1:00:09
what I'm saying, Like like I don't. When you crack up in a
1:00:13
gray sporting journal and you see a photo essay, is that what you call
1:00:16
it? A photo essay? So you see a series of photos going from
1:00:21
beginning of n like let's say a fishing session. Anyone who can capture the
1:00:27
excitement of you don't know what's possible you captured that. So Cormick always said
1:00:35
going to the bar is the best party. Going to the bar. You
1:00:38
know, the excitement of going to the baring else that happens is usually not
1:00:47
as good as the excitement of going to the bar and going fishing is just
1:00:53
like that to me, I don't know, man, pretty good moments after
1:00:57
I got there, like the tailgate. But you know what I'm saying,
1:01:02
Like the tailgate moments after fishing is okay, that's the other thing. Yeah,
1:01:08
But like anyone who can capture that, So if you capture that in
1:01:12
video or photography, because you always see the opening shots that like people on
1:01:17
sport fishing boats like going out or you see them on the flats boat going
1:01:22
out like zero dark thirty running out there. You know that's where all the
1:01:28
excitement is. You see it in people's faces, right, I think,
1:01:30
yeah, And I think whether it's a photo or whether if it's a photo
1:01:35
or painting. You know the reason why we do this. And Doug,
1:01:38
you have a great eye to your photographer and a videographer as well. If
1:01:43
you can get someone to look at whatever they're looking at and all of a
1:01:45
sudden forget where they are and put their put themselves in that moment and totally
1:01:51
escape escapism and then suck back out of it all, that's what we're doing
1:01:55
it for. Like the go ahead and put your tell everyone in your Instagram
1:01:59
so they can look at it. Maybe what your instagram Jay Hodge Productions.
1:02:04
It's J period H O D G. E Productions, and you should be
1:02:07
able to find. Okay, so I don't know if this photos on there
1:02:10
yet, but the one you did a couple of weeks ago, just the
1:02:13
canopy of that boat in the waves, like if if you didn't know what
1:02:16
that is that instantly yeah, the trough of a wave. It's just the
1:02:22
top of a boat. It doesn't have a technically, doesn't really have a
1:02:25
boat in it, didn't have a fish and have an angler. I had
1:02:28
to wait a minute for that boat shot. Instantly, It instantly put me
1:02:31
in that moment, even though I wasn't there to the to the reasoning of
1:02:37
I'm so glad I'm not in that moment, if that makes sense, Like
1:02:39
I'm like, I'm glad I'm not there, but I'm there, and it's
1:02:43
just a picture and it only has water in the top of a boat,
1:02:45
and it's one of the coolest photos I've ever seen. I love it,
1:02:49
But it just desert. That's the lucky moment though, that the nature gave
1:02:52
that to you, basically, and you were there to capture. Sure,
1:02:55
I mean and that that day was crazy. But to harp on your point,
1:03:01
you know, we see things. I've always said, and that's why
1:03:05
I'm more of a photographer than a videographer. I think that emotion can be
1:03:09
captured in a single image far greater than any sort of moving motion picture if
1:03:16
you pay attention, right. But like anybody, you know, I do
1:03:22
some shows. You do shows as well. You put your art up and
1:03:25
majority of the time people come to you, and the first thing they come
1:03:28
to you is I can put myself in that situation. And that's one of
1:03:34
the craziest things about photography is like it hints on so many emotions that the
1:03:39
person viewing that picture has to see it for the first time and take them
1:03:44
back to a moment in time where they remember that. And that's one of
1:03:47
the coolest things about photography. Same thing with like painting a picture like you
1:03:51
do, there's a moment I'm looking at these pictures around the room, and
1:03:54
there's moments where people can put themselves in that situation versus you know, you
1:04:00
really got to pay attention. You don't have the time to sit still and
1:04:03
just see an image. Motion picture moves so quickly that it it does encompass
1:04:11
a lot of emotion, but it doesn't enable you to stand still in that
1:04:15
moment. And that's why things that are going forward with how things are is
1:04:18
it really doesn't take the time. It takes people away from sitting in a
1:04:24
moment. And that's one of the craziest things about photography painting cool creative movement
1:04:30
works that people do, is like people can really resonate on that kind of
1:04:33
stuff, and that's the coolest thing about home photography. Well, then that
1:04:36
leads me to a question. And I've been in Paul's house a lot,
1:04:41
and I've seen, you know, his artwork kind of rotates based on what
1:04:45
he's doing and what he's selling, and you know, he kind of flows
1:04:47
through his house. I rent the paintings, but yeah, Paul rents his
1:04:51
artwork. But what about you in your house, like when you're set and
1:04:59
so, like you said, a moment that means something to you. Do
1:05:02
you have a particular moment in your house where like you have do you have
1:05:05
one let's say we have one picture, one photo in your house that like
1:05:09
that that will always be in your house, something that that like universally just
1:05:13
was like, that's a moment I need to remember. Do you have something
1:05:16
like that? Yet? As a photographer of you, have you've done that?
1:05:19
Some solid questions I have. That's what we do. These are good.
1:05:26
You didn't expect this, No, I didn't. We don't look like
1:05:29
much, but every once in a while we come out. These are deep.
1:05:32
These are deep. Uh. I have a lot of a lot of
1:05:35
pictures that I appreciate now for me, you know, I I print things
1:05:41
and I post on social media. I love to see just what things would
1:05:45
look like and the works that I do. So I have a fair amount
1:05:48
of prints that never got sold their online so kind of like I think,
1:05:56
Uh, they both paid feet free rent in my head, I mean but
1:06:01
no, yeah, I mean rent. He lives. All of the artwork
1:06:08
in my house is Paul Puckett art or something? Seriously, it sicks with
1:06:13
you and any point in time in Doug's house and see I Paul paints.
1:06:16
Well, come onto my house. You'll find the ones that Paul that Doug
1:06:19
doesn't own. I probably got them. But the thing is like, that's
1:06:23
that's true. But my point was he's the artist, Like, I mean,
1:06:28
maybe there was I didn't know. It turns out there's not, but
1:06:30
I thought maybe there was, like a special I definitely have some. He's
1:06:34
mobile right now. I'm pretty mobile at the moment. I actually live in
1:06:39
the camper, so wrong with that. I don't have a whole lot of
1:06:41
wall space without the thing falling apart, so you can't really tack pictures up.
1:06:45
But in my office I've got some pretty cool, pretty cool shot photo
1:06:48
appreciate Wait do you really yeah, damn, Justin, I don't have one.
1:06:55
I know I already know the print. Well, let me let me
1:06:57
tag onto that phote is there? Like? Is there a pot that lives
1:07:00
in your head that you hadn't taken yet? Is there one that like you
1:07:02
want? Is there something like that a goal of yours? I have goals
1:07:06
as anglers, n Yeah, like like Baja is a is a stripe?
1:07:12
Milin Mecca, big balls underwater and you have do you have, like you
1:07:15
have an image of a fish doing a thing that like you want specifically to
1:07:19
happen. Yeah, and a big bull just I mean, I've got a
1:07:24
shot of you know, a hunter standing behind the aspen tree, big bulls
1:07:29
on the other side, big bull out and he's at full drawl. The
1:07:32
smoke is just burrowing out of this bag, like I've got. I've got
1:07:36
a lot of images in my mind. I'm glad if you were you would
1:07:44
have had a great image of an arrow of sailing right over the back.
1:07:49
That's still the only picture I needed was the one beforehand. It doesn't matter
1:07:57
what happens after the the release of the era, as long as I got
1:08:01
you a full drawing that because bugling smoke's rolling, so that makes just thinking
1:08:08
about it, it's just cool stuff. I mean, I've got a lot
1:08:11
of things thought my thought. See, most people think of me. And
1:08:16
you know, I got started fishing because that was the easiest way to get
1:08:19
on somebody's boat or or get into an opportunity. You had more access to
1:08:25
it, yes, for sure. And like managing that hunting and fishing store.
1:08:29
You know, I'd always tell people, you know, hey, I'm
1:08:31
dabbling in photography. You know, I'd love to join you, and you
1:08:34
know, nobody would ever pretty much call me unfortunately, just because you know
1:08:39
that that is what it is. But the moment I started working for saltwater
1:08:43
sports and magazines, that was a big moment for me to be able to
1:08:48
jump on people's boats and really enable the opportunity to capture people in the moment
1:08:56
of fishing. So, you know, fishing has been one thing that I've
1:09:00
I've been a part of for a long time. It's been my staple.
1:09:03
But I appreciate hunting so much more personally because of the emotion that is behind
1:09:11
hunting. Like fishing, there's a lot of emotion in fishing, but hunting,
1:09:15
the deep down roots of emotion hunting is is unbelievable as far as it
1:09:21
hits it hits different courts for sure, absolutely, And I appreciate. I
1:09:27
mean, I'm a big hunter myself, and you know, I really appreciate
1:09:30
the emotion of the things that go on, you know, in the process
1:09:33
of of harvesting an animal. So, uh, hunting, I need to
1:09:38
I need to get more into hunting. Uh. But you know, fishing
1:09:42
just you know, pays the bills. So hey, man, ain't nothing
1:09:45
wrong with that? Is there? Is there a uh? I would say,
1:09:47
like a vintage photographer that you really liked, in a current photographer that
1:09:53
you really like. I'm so far I don't know, give terrible it's you
1:09:59
got uh, I don't know just what what's this? Maybe not a photographer?
1:10:02
Just like, what what's a good inspiration for you? Could? Well?
1:10:06
I mean I look up to the guys that are in my daily space.
1:10:11
You know, there's a lot of guys that I follow that that do
1:10:15
a great job at at making me better at what I do. You know,
1:10:19
you I'm it's unfortunate that I'm not like someone who really gravitates towards other
1:10:29
people's imagery and but you know, I just kind of just do my own
1:10:31
thing. But guys in the space and guys that are our people that I
1:10:36
know, I really appreciate a lot of the things that are going on with
1:10:41
with what people are doing. There's a lot of guys that shoot for Sitka
1:10:45
that are absolutely incredible. You know, my bust, my buddy Jesse Mayles
1:10:50
is a huge video guy. He's great in in videography and the fishing space,
1:10:56
and so you know, I really appreciate those guys types of people I
1:11:00
don't really have, you know, historic guys. That's fine, really,
1:11:03
yeah, I appreciate. I do appreciate everything that has come up to it.
1:11:08
To the point now is because film guys are absolutely incredible. Like,
1:11:12
I don't think I could do what I can do. Yeah, if I
1:11:15
had to shoot film, I think that's I said the same thing, But
1:11:18
I said the same thing to myself because how much I use my computer and
1:11:24
print prints and printing, and I can't imagine being in the sixties or seventies,
1:11:28
and like elders Hardy, even in the seventies and eighties making these amazing
1:11:32
paintings without the help of just being able to get on Google and needing a
1:11:36
human in a certain post and looking at a certain thing. It's just it
1:11:40
blows my mind how much I use that stuff. Now. If I was
1:11:43
back in the seventies and didn't have that luxury, maybe I would have adapted
1:11:46
and figured it out. But it's just everyone adapts to what they have and
1:11:50
what they can use and what they need. I think I would probably ultimately
1:11:54
get involved with it. But yeah, the fact that I don't have to
1:11:58
for the most part, unless I want to just kind of get artsy with
1:12:00
it, you know, like going into a dark room and just the different
1:12:04
things that can chemistry. But huh, I started in a dark room really
1:12:11
Yeah, and high school, like high school love it. Yeah, that's
1:12:15
just a whole nother world that is. I mean, that's just a whole
1:12:18
other world. Film chemical. Yeah, my dad, my dad photography.
1:12:25
My dad in photography in college as well, and he had a he had
1:12:30
an old camera. And that's that's one thing that that it's kind of me
1:12:34
and my dad share is the fact that my dad kind of really appreciates photography
1:12:38
deep down. But yeah, like going in the dark room, producing film,
1:12:45
changing lighting and you know, well we don't have to have a creative
1:12:50
aspect of have you ever had the intrigued to maybe I'm sure there's labs and
1:12:55
students around here. People still do that. Yeah, if you wanted to
1:12:59
do it, you literally make one in your house in a day. The
1:13:02
chemicals are not that expensive. Sounds like etching. Doing etchings, you need
1:13:06
to ask it's like, why would you do it? It's going to service.
1:13:11
Yeah, I think that's a that's a the personal that's your appreciation for
1:13:16
that's adobe room, all the room I need an enthusiastic Yeah. I pay
1:13:20
for that every month, so I might as well use it. Yeah,
1:13:24
exactly. Well, very cool, very cool. You got what's your next
1:13:28
trip? What's the next thing you're doing. I've got Guatemala coming up on
1:13:30
Tuesday, Guatemala. Catch your sales on fly for two days, and then
1:13:39
I'm photoing for Pacific Fins out of Guatemala. I've been there. This will
1:13:43
be my fifth time down there. Love Guatemala, Love. I have a
1:13:47
strong appreciation for Guatemala. You know, every you know, it's funny,
1:13:54
it's like everybody, and I believe it or not, I've known a handful
1:13:57
of people that have spent some time in Guatemala, and every body says the
1:14:00
same thing, Like the people, the country, like people are like it's
1:14:04
the eye open experience of seeing a culture that is really poor. Yeah,
1:14:12
and and you know, I've always said economically poor absolutely, culturally or resource
1:14:19
really but like I've always said, since the first time I ever came back
1:14:25
from Guatemala and just seeing seeing that culture is you know, the the people
1:14:30
that that struggle with America and they they hate the place that they live in,
1:14:36
Like, please go spend some time in a different place well, and
1:14:40
then getting to meet people that amen. That one. Getting to see people
1:14:45
that those places forge like those peop they're so out of that are like that's
1:14:48
a different breed of human, Like they have skills and abilities that we don't
1:14:53
have because we're soft. We're soft white people. But Guatemala is coming up.
1:15:00
Water balloons. I love Pacific sails. I've spent a lot of time
1:15:02
in in South Florida catching Atlantics. So I'm gonna scoot down on Sunday fish
1:15:10
with my buddy Matt George, who's a big Atlantic sale guy, Stuart.
1:15:14
We're in a fish one day on his brand new Alamorada and then we're gonna
1:15:16
we're gonna roll to Guatemala on Tuesday and catch sales for two days and then
1:15:21
I go to work and so take photos for the Pacific Fins bill Fish tournament
1:15:29
that they've got coming up. So are you in an actual photo boat for
1:15:32
that? Like I'm on the boat with with crew. Yeah, that's a
1:15:36
hell of a life you got. It's tough. Would you rather be in
1:15:44
a photo boat where you're kind of you like being you gotta capture a moment.
1:15:48
Going back to the thing with that you said with Jams, I mean,
1:15:51
uh, being in the moment and capturing moment versus like set up shots.
1:15:57
It's not you know, I'm a in a moment, take them take
1:16:00
photos of emotion in a moment, and so you know whether or not you
1:16:06
you know you you have your setup, like what you want to do.
1:16:11
I'm all the time trying to capture something different then, So like Jams,
1:16:15
James and I are saying born from the same bread. As far as shooting
1:16:19
around things that we know that are are we don't try and stay within the
1:16:26
We try to shoot a motion in a perfect world. Yeah, the guy
1:16:30
doesn't in a perfect world, the guy fishing doesn't know you're there, right,
1:16:33
Yeah, you just majority of the time I sent an image and they're
1:16:36
like, holy when did you take that? What? Yeah? When did
1:16:41
that happen? Yeah? And that's and that's but that but that's the only
1:16:44
time you get a true honest picture, right, I mean because otherwise because
1:16:47
I and this is my own hubris, I'll admit to it. But like
1:16:51
I'm conscious of I'm conscious when there's a camp or near me. You know
1:16:57
what, I'm saying, like you you as an angler or or whatever,
1:17:00
like you know, somebody shot some video you're pretty good on. I let
1:17:03
it ride, but like I know, I know the camera's there, and
1:17:06
I know what the camera wants, Like you know what I'm saying in my
1:17:10
head exactly, I made some videos like when you're when you're there and you're
1:17:18
in that head space as an angler, it's different than like Germs has definitely
1:17:21
come up on me with like hey man, check this out and show me
1:17:24
a picture that I had no idea that he had got and it was way
1:17:28
better than anything I could have like given him, you know. And that's
1:17:31
a weird way to look at it. But when you're when you're aware of
1:17:35
the camera, you feel like you need to perform for the camera of the
1:17:40
times, Like you put a camera in front of somebody's face, what do
1:17:43
they do? Ultimately shut out, they're not the same person that they were.
1:17:49
Hey, if you had they don't they don't do that if you're not
1:17:58
used to it. Times somebody you say say you, I don't know.
1:18:02
In this day and age, you you hire you know, extras to be
1:18:06
in some of your shoots. So you put a camera in front of somebody's
1:18:10
face. A lot of times they're very timid, they're not the same person.
1:18:14
So really being friends with those individuals, and that's one of the toughest
1:18:18
things with what we have to do is we have to sell ourselves. We
1:18:21
have to sell us as humans as far as just somebody cool to be around.
1:18:26
Yeah, and you feel comfortable sitting here talking to me, you gotta
1:18:30
let your guard down ultimately, so I have to win that over on you
1:18:34
from the get go if I don't even know you. But that's one of
1:18:39
the coolest things about trying to capture emotion is is gaining that trust and then
1:18:45
being able to to shoot strong emotion. And that's one of the coolest things
1:18:49
about what we do is just trying to figure out at what point in time
1:18:53
are we going to be able to capture that emotion That doesn't happen often.
1:18:57
I have nothing but respect for photographers. I don't I feel like I have
1:19:00
Like in my head, I'm like, oh, that'd make a great picture,
1:19:02
you know what I'm saying. Like everybody thinks like, oh, I
1:19:03
could take some good pictures, But I know, deep down I don't have
1:19:08
the patience or I don't even know what it is. I don't know that
1:19:13
it's a special vision. But I think it comes down to patients and perseverance
1:19:17
in my book, because you've got to be willing to stick with the camera
1:19:21
even when cool shit is happening around you. Like I said, I'm add
1:19:26
as fuck like me, like I'm jumping into the cool shit. I'm not.
1:19:30
I'm not holding onto the camera. Yeah, I'm jumping in. I
1:19:33
wanna do the cool stuff, you know. So like I don't have it.
1:19:36
I don't have it. I know that, but I've been around dudes
1:19:40
that do, and you appear to be one of those dudes that do.
1:19:42
I just appreciate capturing a moment for somebody else. I mean not to say
1:19:46
that I've been around and you know, I'm dabbling in you know, five
1:19:50
fishing, and I enjoy that, and that's a that's a really cool thing
1:19:55
for me. And but like taking images for other peop people and trying to
1:20:00
capture the coolest part or coolest image for somebody and just to see their emotion
1:20:05
on an emotion of a cool shot that you've taken is amazing for me.
1:20:12
Like I I appreciate that. I'll tag along with anybody to go on any
1:20:15
fishing trip or any hunt trip just to capture a cool moment for that individual
1:20:19
that they can remember for the rest of the life. I'll tell you this.
1:20:23
Up in my time room at home, I have artwork and stuff all
1:20:27
over place, stuff of my wife only putt anywhere else in the house is
1:20:30
all up there. And one of the photos I have is probably gets where
1:20:34
it's gonna go. Yeah, But like one of my one of my favorite
1:20:38
photos is an old photo that Germs took before he was even really professionally making
1:20:43
money at photography. He was just a hobbyist at that point. And uh,
1:20:46
we'd gone to the Outer Banks albie fishing and caught this albie and it
1:20:50
wasn't big auby or anything special or anything like that, but you know,
1:20:55
it was one of those little shotgun poses where you kind of point the fish
1:20:58
at the camera kind of thing, and you can't see my face, Like
1:21:00
my face is actually my hat's kind of low, and the light. He
1:21:04
did it in black and white, and the light blurs my whole face out,
1:21:08
so like I have no face, and you just see he can sell
1:21:11
more than well. Yeah, and you can see the Albi's face clear as
1:21:15
day, of course, and there's like the little picture and there's a little
1:21:18
drool of like water dribbling off the Alby's face and like you can see my
1:21:23
hands, like you can see like the creases in my knuckles, like you
1:21:26
can see a lot of things in clear detail, but you can't see me.
1:21:29
And that that picture is still hanging like in black and white, and
1:21:31
it's one of my favorite photos. And I can't even like when I die,
1:21:36
after Nora's gone, probably nobody's going to know that that was me,
1:21:40
Like nobody's going to know that that was that was me in that picture.
1:21:44
That's still my favorite photo ever of me holding a fish. And then I'm
1:21:47
not even in it, really, I mean I am. But that is
1:21:50
really cool though, and and like that to me, like that's the power
1:21:53
of photography is that, like you he captured a moment that in that moment
1:21:57
me holding that fish, that was one of probably twenty or thirty caught that
1:22:00
day. I mean shit, like when you're Albi fish and it's on,
1:22:01
it's crazy. I don't remember that moment. I don't remember what day it
1:22:05
was, I don't remember what boat I was in. I don't remember which
1:22:09
day it was, what year was, I have no idea, but that
1:22:13
moment still lives with men. I'm like, I it touches every album that
1:22:15
ever touch. Look. Yeah, that's that's the pic of what you do.
1:22:19
And that's that's crazy. And I appreciate people that can do that because
1:22:24
I can't. I have no powers in that world. Oh yeah, yeah,
1:22:29
yeah, I mean that's that's certainly the greatest thing about photography I do.
1:22:33
I do all the video stuff just because I have to to make things,
1:22:38
you know, work out for myself. But you know, majority of
1:22:41
my my space nowadays is pretty much eighty twenty eighty video, eighty twenty or
1:22:45
twenty photography, just because the world is going in that direction, which you
1:22:51
know, it's it's tough for us photographers that actually love to just create photos.
1:22:57
Think about what you can learn from a photo you see, if you
1:23:01
saw a photo from like one hundred years ago, whatever, you can learn
1:23:06
so much from that, yeah, by looking at it. So I think
1:23:11
it's a wonderful thing we have now that you do you actually capture a moment.
1:23:15
It's really cool and it does move. It moves to me, a
1:23:19
really good photo, so well, that gives you your twenty percent of the
1:23:24
time to at least still do what you love and still make someone to do
1:23:28
with that. Yeah, it's not like I'm not shooing picks when I'm out
1:23:30
there. I mean, I'm I'm probably somebody that showcases a fair amount of
1:23:34
work as far as the photo side, the gigs that I get. They're
1:23:39
like, well, we we appreciate the video, and I was like,
1:23:41
well, I got it, got all these images. Wat, I'm a
1:23:45
photographer. That's what I used to do with all the little the little pop
1:23:47
art things, people holding fish like, oh what I do paintings is what
1:23:51
I really do. So, I mean, it's it's hard to get people
1:23:56
to stop focusing on you know, you got to help them for sure.
1:24:00
For sure we should we face out of this one we've had. This has
1:24:03
been a good segment. I loved it. Yeah forty minutes. I'm sure
1:24:06
that was forty minutes. Yeah, yeah, forty minutes. About we're gonna
1:24:14
come back, Well, we're just gonna have another long segment. Yeah,
1:24:16
we're gonna have our Guyle mcshey some fly fishing. You found him. This
1:24:20
is yours, not our Guyle mcshey. Some guy that's written a bunch of
1:24:25
fly fishing. Where did you find these guys? And then we're going to
1:24:27
talk about Louisiana. I think Mike's got some good I got nothing. Love
1:24:31
it. We're gonna fly fishing for a week and there you go. Thanks
1:24:35
all, all right, we'll come back. Yeah, thanks hawk Man,
1:24:41
thanksgiving, appreciate it. You're one myself. Try again, crimes still like
1:24:55
this song is still like that into my life. I don't know why,
1:25:00
char I know we're not supposed to be talking now. I'm talking right now.
1:25:03
Remember hever winds exposed to pray for forgiveness, sympathetic dreams, road rast,
1:25:24
run down, wrinkle from the Rain, the song of my herd Nos
1:25:30
just once sound and I sing along, just the same slabber bone, So
1:25:41
go and sing three two one. A segment of Valley Live brought to you
1:25:51
by man who smokes with his windows up. Can you blame him? Enjoying
1:26:00
that sweet Virginia smelling taste and spreading it all through the neighborhood as he goes
1:26:06
from store to store to store. Yes, he has Bampa stickers on the
1:26:11
back of his window, and he'll tell you his feelings on every one of
1:26:15
them. So next time you're on the road, give a nye to the
1:26:20
man that smokes with his windows up. This segment of Berely Live brought to
1:26:28
you by Doug's current haircut. My god, but you can look at it,
1:26:34
Mike, look at it. This reporter seen many things over the years,
1:26:42
but nothing like Doug's current haircut. To my god, so professional,
1:26:48
so uncompt. How does it do better? Thank you boy? I'm scared
1:27:01
that one is. You can always use it because it's currently Yeah, it
1:27:04
doesn't matter. It's gonna change every time, and it's always funny. What
1:27:13
happened to his Carl? I don't know where is he Ben. He's still
1:27:16
been on music, but I feel like he's so good. I don't hear
1:27:20
the good music. But also I don't really hear the Yeah, I don't
1:27:26
hear the good stuff. I love Carl. Yeah, it's old stuff.
1:27:30
Apparently it is all you love. So uh, it's good to be sitting
1:27:32
around the old campfire with you boys. Yeah, right, too long.
1:27:38
We finally let tuck her back. His suspension has been left. You stopped
1:27:45
doing that weird little thing you were doing, and we decided it was time
1:27:47
to have it an't stop doing anything weird. What was that weird little thing
1:27:53
you're doing? Well, that's it's all relative the first time I'm hearing about
1:28:00
it. So perhaps I caond be edumacated. Maybe we were wrong. Maybe
1:28:04
maybe it's like too too many squeaky voices. I don't know. Hello,
1:28:13
we've got a guest. Uh. I think he's out there. He's an
1:28:17
author, he reached out. I think he was the same contact that we
1:28:21
got justin through in the world of books and blah blah blah. So you
1:28:28
ready meet him, our guyle ur Kyle mcsheely. I think it's really yeah,
1:28:34
hold on a second, let me go get I thought you were joking.
1:28:39
Okay, who is this guy? Hey? How how are you?
1:28:47
Doug? Good to see you by you too, man, Wow, Tucker?
1:28:53
Okay, Mike, where are you? Mike the author himself? How
1:28:57
are you, Bud? Why? Nothing compared to you? Apparently? Yeah,
1:29:00
you've penned a few books here, I bet, I bet you've read
1:29:03
them all. It has inspired you a lot, and I'm just happy to
1:29:06
know that that's happened. I really it just makes me feel great about the
1:29:11
work I've done over the last twenty five, seven, eight, nine,
1:29:15
ten, thirty years and it just makes me feel great that I can inspire
1:29:18
young aspiring authors such as yourself. And I don't really see a whole lot
1:29:24
of books that you've written out there, but I'm just glad to know you
1:29:27
call yourself an author. I see it on scoff all the time. It's
1:29:30
just great to see. Well, great to meet you. I ain't writ
1:29:32
any book. I haven't written any so Tucker, Yeah, so what what's
1:29:35
your story? Tell me more about what you do, Bud? You know,
1:29:39
fishing world, nothing anymore, just I participate. Great. You know
1:29:45
where if you fish? Where do you like fishing? Oh? You know?
1:29:47
I have been started out fishing when I was thirteen up in the Appalachian
1:29:53
Mountains appellation. I wrote a book back in seventy nine about the appilation.
1:29:57
Probably read it first pronounced apple latchin. Yeah, just Mike, we're already
1:30:02
starting off on a bad foot. But anyway, so I wrote a book
1:30:05
back in seventy nine. You most likely read it. If you fish in
1:30:09
the Apps, I like to call them the Apps. A lot of blue
1:30:13
lighters? Was it life in the Wataga? No, it's called blue line.
1:30:15
It's blue lining. And seventy nine and seventy nine and blue lining,
1:30:21
and that's uh, it was wait wait wait, what is seventy nine really
1:30:28
specific to that year? Is how those year gotcha at all? Of the
1:30:34
whole book on that? I write a book about every year, Michael.
1:30:38
So what are blue liners? Oh? They're little, just a little blue
1:30:42
streams on the map. If you look at the map, the little they're
1:30:44
not named, most of them, and they if you look at a map,
1:30:46
it just has a blue line on the map. Never fishing the apple
1:30:49
latchins. Okay, there you go. At least you said it right.
1:30:53
So, Doug, what's your story? But I know you do a little
1:30:55
bit of this, a little bit of that making deals happen. I was
1:30:58
listening to it live about earlier. Sounds like you're making the deals beer deals
1:31:01
down at the whale. Sounds like you sew me outside. Yeah, I
1:31:04
dressed out. I did the whale over here. How did you get the
1:31:08
name argyle? It's it's funny, you asked. My parents are from England,
1:31:14
mother, second answer from Scotland. We actually developed the whole pattern argyle,
1:31:19
you know, speaking of Oh you got along all of the argyle patterns,
1:31:26
all of them. I'm an Argyllian from long you know, speaking of
1:31:30
Scotland, I saw that episode. Did you ever catch an attainment? No,
1:31:36
actually they're not. They're not in Scottish. I know, I know
1:31:40
they're not, but I'm just wondering. You've been around. I wrote a
1:31:43
book. I wrote a book. I know it is now there used to
1:31:46
be in Scotland. I wrote a book about an eighty three Both dogs never
1:31:53
continent. You probably read my book in eighty three that I revised it in
1:31:56
ninety three. Funny enough, probably it is an there right, yeah,
1:32:00
yess. But technically you could walk from Scotland. It's on a fucking island.
1:32:12
Scotland is at some point you had to swim at some point you and
1:32:16
then you can walk for the English Channel. You can go to the North
1:32:19
from Finland and Sweden, all that Scandinavian area as well. I actually wrote
1:32:27
a book that's the North Sea. Actually yeah, I actually wrote a book
1:32:32
about swimming the North Sea. Funny enough, I was walking from Mongolia to
1:32:40
Scotland and then you know what, You hit a wall, you hit a
1:32:42
barrier. I hit an ocean and I swam it and lived its all about
1:32:45
it and figured it would be great as my masterpiece. Actually, well,
1:32:53
I would read that one somebody to walk from Mongolia to Scotland and definitely hands
1:32:59
down. So we're gonna find yourself waiting the fine waters of question Mark.
1:33:02
Michael, where do you like to go fishing? I'm pretty content here.
1:33:08
You know, red fish are pretty good. You probably read my book,
1:33:11
Red Fishing in the Charleston Flats. Definitely did not. Two thousand and three
1:33:18
I published it. I actually went back and wrote a little last chapter,
1:33:23
revised it back in twenty eleven. But we talk a lot about just how
1:33:29
we want to be nice and cordial out there on the flats. It was
1:33:30
more of a how to manage other boats and traffic in Charleston, which has
1:33:35
gotten crazy these days. I'm thinking about maybe doing another chapter. Would you
1:33:39
like to maybe work with me on that? Well, first off, yeah,
1:33:42
in two thousand and a guest, oh, you wouldn't have had a
1:33:45
problem at all. There was plenty of room. But now you definitely haven't
1:33:48
the last ten years. I don't know if you've realized that though My last
1:33:51
ten years have been Craig Cray, Oh yeah, I've seen it. But
1:33:55
it's all right. We're doing fine, Charleston, and we don't. We
1:33:58
don't have the problems that say the keys do. Yet you do a lot
1:34:01
of waiting. Uh yeah, So what's so whats the north Sea? What's
1:34:09
your what's your favorite that? What is your favorite redfish fly? That's a
1:34:18
good question, I mean, because you typical low when it's rising, right,
1:34:25
you're waiting. You've got a little I've got a little fly, Doug.
1:34:28
I'm glad you asked me this question. It's called Mad Mike's copper Crab
1:34:32
or something like that. Oh yeah, I usually ship out of that fly.
1:34:35
I'm glad a few times. I've put it in a lot of books.
1:34:40
I've read it in a lot of redfishes. Mad, Yeah, and
1:34:43
some guy named Mad Mike. Not really sure, but it's a great pot
1:34:46
that's me. Yeah, that's Mad. What's the chance of anyway? Yeah?
1:34:51
Sure, Michael, Sure, it's your fly. We can go with
1:34:56
that. Show is your fly? Is that? Is that? Any way?
1:35:00
For something? I'm not showing you my Penis Stucker. I came here
1:35:04
to talk about my current book right now, to talk about my current book.
1:35:09
Okay, so we've already heard about like eight books, So how many
1:35:15
books have you written? Like, what's your number at? Where are you
1:35:17
at? Sety seven? That's a lot of books. I read a lot
1:35:21
of books, Stephen King. So you're not married. Oh, I'm married
1:35:28
to three women, right, but I've got them all across the muses or
1:35:34
we know ones in Scotland, we know what's in Mongolia. So my current
1:35:39
book right now, though, is the Top fifty Destinations that are no longer
1:35:42
secrets? All right? What did you heard? Go to flat speed?
1:35:46
Wow? That's a tough question. Random that nowhere he's waiting you and are
1:35:54
really tough. I'm friends with I'm friends with all the guys that to go
1:36:00
in your Orbis Philson And what's that one starts with the d from back in
1:36:05
the nineties through or something like that? Wowndner, Oh wow, the older
1:36:17
I've come to find that I really like the Orbans make up, Dan Barry,
1:36:23
the Orbis boot is top of the line, bar none the best.
1:36:27
Okay, Okay, now I know you're lying. Thanks for asking, Thanks
1:36:30
for asking. It just kind of discredited all of your seven books. Well,
1:36:38
you guys might find out your yourself. You go buy I want and
1:36:41
use it. It's very good for what toilet paper white with one more questions
1:36:47
for our friend. Listen to this podcast. So when you decide to go
1:36:53
and way a flat and you know you're gonna walk this flat, right,
1:36:58
you know it's low. You're all in this when you're gonna be there for
1:37:00
a couple of hours, Doug, let me tell you what I like to
1:37:04
do and the when the water's coming. I like to drink beer and talk
1:37:08
to my buddies and hang out. Okay, so that's where I'm going.
1:37:10
I'm a great bullshit or do what I bet hundred bucks? Right? You
1:37:16
know what? You know what? Four let's let's go it for. What
1:37:19
are the four things you have to have on you to have a good waiting
1:37:26
Sesson. You gotta have good cell reception for porn. You gotta have a
1:37:31
cold cooler of beer. Okay, cool you take a cooler cooler a beer?
1:37:41
Have a cold cooler beer? Uh huh? How long do you like
1:37:44
to prep your coolers for? I like to charge them. I'll charge them
1:37:46
in the put them in the freezer. We're getting out of track. Okay,
1:37:49
excuse me, sorry, distraction from the waiting. I'm gonna I'm gonna
1:37:55
require at least some sort of gummy five millis or I mean we're waiting for
1:38:00
an hour, right, Yeah, we might need ten milligrams for that,
1:38:04
and I need I'm gonna need that motherfucker right there to get off my flat.
1:38:11
Those are the four things I need. I came into this wanting to
1:38:15
hate you, but I love you, right, I love this guy.
1:38:18
I love our wants available on Yeah, because I'm in about right now.
1:38:27
Well, I want to party with you. I appreciate that question. I'm
1:38:30
going to write a book called the four Things I Need for fly Fish.
1:38:33
For red fish. We don't have a barely live T shirt or a hat
1:38:39
or any other merchant, but the first one that we have should say I
1:38:43
need a ten milligram gummy and for that guy to get off my fucking flat,
1:38:46
and we got I'm out. That's a mic driver. I'm sorry.
1:39:00
I think I'm sorry. Oh wow, I think you just wanted to live
1:39:05
on a high note. I'm definitely gonna take him out fishing. Yeah,
1:39:10
because that guy, that guy Fox, that guy our guy. At first,
1:39:18
I kind of thought he was akin. I wanted to hate him when
1:39:21
you told me all about his whole thing with the books, about everything he's
1:39:25
out done. I was like, this guy sounds terrible, a little raw
1:39:28
though he came in, but the more he talked, the more I was
1:39:31
willing to listen to it. He was honest, Well, what's your He
1:39:34
was honest, what's your cousin's name? Like? Who agree or whatever?
1:39:38
His name? Oh god, no, that's that's that's Calhoun Vandr. I
1:39:43
kind of thought they were going to know each other. They didn't, kidding.
1:39:45
Do you think Calhoun would hang out with that guy? He's way too
1:39:48
down to earth for Calhoun's taste, bro, Like, he ain't got the
1:39:50
money to hang out with Calhoun. That was amazing. Oh dude, what
1:39:57
an interesting cant. The same A that works with Hodge found out Hodge was
1:40:01
coming here and ask me because he knew he was here signing books at Rivers
1:40:05
and Glynn over seven hundred books? Yeah about five? For real? Can
1:40:13
we get a barely live T shirt that says I need a dilegram coming that
1:40:16
guy off the fucking flat. I don't even like that partake, but I
1:40:28
was here. I was still rock that shirt now that I would definitely r
1:40:33
you know, now that I'm doing these print house shirts, these we need
1:40:38
to just do a barely live shirt, just a simple we might actually be
1:40:43
able to buy some equipment that's not from the nineties. That's the first the
1:40:50
first thing we need to get. Yeah, fully in we'll have a discussion
1:40:56
off air about I think we should we should Yeah, we should have have
1:41:00
a barely live shirt. Option two shirts, two options whatever. Corp on
1:41:05
the logo. Oh yeah, we gotta do talk about this figure Case of
1:41:10
corp on everyone. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure Richard will lend us.
1:41:14
In fact, you know what, it doesn't cost that much to make an
1:41:16
LLC. No, we'll just do it. We'll start a website and start
1:41:20
Case of corp is already a corporation by name. That is very true.
1:41:30
Think Richard has paperwork on I don't registered. We got at least notify the
1:41:36
Richard. We'll send him some money. We'll let you know what. We'll
1:41:41
just let him hook up his shirt. We need his signature. We'll just
1:41:45
let him hook up his power to the building. I thought his claw powder
1:41:49
was going real well it is at last I heard it's doing fine. But
1:41:54
you know how it is with the non regulated nature supplements and that they ax
1:42:00
and Wayne coon claw. Yeah, oh what are you doing Paul and Wife
1:42:12
real quick before. Yeah, well I'm not I kind of want to go
1:42:19
waiting for talking about anything. Oh yeah, so yeah, all right.
1:42:25
So while we're just pilling three things, we were talking about what's in the
1:42:30
news, and uh, one of the things that was in the news was
1:42:33
about the whole Louisiana redfish regulations around red fish and keep and all that stuff,
1:42:44
and the response to uh the c c A for their support for or
1:42:49
lack there losing Tucker. Yeah, you gotta gotta head out with the kids
1:42:55
to bed. We'll see you fellas in a month or so. Appreciate it.
1:43:00
Yeah, we'll figure out the date, all right. Tell Damien,
1:43:04
I didn't know this was in the news. Fly fishing. It's the fly
1:43:09
fishing Instagram world, Okay, I mean the whole Israel and Moss things kind
1:43:13
of taking over the rest of the news. God damn man, Like mainly
1:43:17
from GUIDs down there, like literally like Ron Ron Ratliffe. I've seen him
1:43:21
kind of promote it and it's definitely all thumbs down to c c A.
1:43:27
Is kind of the my buddy Ron bursage, my buddy Ron down there.
1:43:30
H. I kind of want to fish with that guy. Have you fished
1:43:35
with him. I've never fished with him. I never actually met him and
1:43:38
him had a lot of conversations as via text and phone. He's a super
1:43:42
nice guy, my buddy. Uh uh Ron. If you hear this hollo,
1:43:47
yeah, most likely you will. The thing is so basically here,
1:43:51
here's my take on it. And you guys in Louisiana. If I get
1:43:55
this wrong or if I'm not specific on certain things, please God give me
1:43:59
a little bit of fucking grace here because I'm not I'm not an expert,
1:44:01
all right, and we don't live there, we don't know all the I'm
1:44:04
gonna give you the ten thousand foot elevation view of the deal, all right.
1:44:10
So basically what happened was, uh see, what happened was so you
1:44:15
know, obviously, like anywhere else in the world, that then end yours,
1:44:18
heavy fishing pressure Louisiana has been declining, and so there was a big
1:44:24
push to cut back hard on the restrictions around size limits for keep and a
1:44:32
number of redfish that you could keep, as well as see trout and other
1:44:36
desirabul species. So there was a push for a program the fly fishing community,
1:44:45
the guides Association down there in Louisiana. We're pushing for a specific outline,
1:44:49
uh that were basically I don't know the dates, but it would have
1:44:54
ensured a recovery of the fish stock within like well I'm gonn to say fifteen
1:45:00
years, I don't know the actual number was something like that. In there,
1:45:04
there was a secondary option and now granty. This is all these options
1:45:09
were what were presented to the state legislature right to make these laws. So
1:45:15
these were all going before committees and things that would approve these options in order
1:45:20
to put these laws quote unquote proposed laws before the state legislature so that the
1:45:26
state legislator could vote on them. So we haven't got to the actual vote
1:45:30
of the state legislature yet. Well, we're talking about are the committee votes
1:45:36
to propose the options. The first option, and the option most popular with
1:45:41
the fly fishing community, was the most painful cut on the amount of keep
1:45:46
an amount of allowed redfish and red sea trout to be kept that would cause
1:45:53
the quickest recovery of the fishery stock. The second proposed option was a much
1:45:59
longer, longer, much more prolonged recovery of the redfish and sea trout stock.
1:46:04
Basically, the big fight that came down was that the CCA sided with
1:46:08
the long recovery versus the short recovery. So that's what we're talking about,
1:46:14
is we're talking about like the difference between well fly anglers and bit anglers.
1:46:18
And we hate to say it like that because I don't draw a line in
1:46:23
that that world and myself, I don't. I don't, I don't.
1:46:25
I don't either. It's not that much harder to catch one on fly out
1:46:29
than it is on a spinner rod. I'd be one hundred percent honest with
1:46:30
it when it comes to red fish. But it's also not even the guys
1:46:32
that are harvesting the fish. Yeah, it's guys harvesting fish harvesting. Yeah,
1:46:39
and and and and once again, as a person who hunts and and
1:46:42
enjoys collecting my meat myself and collecting food from my family myself, I understand
1:46:47
that. I get that. But the thing is like, there's a lot
1:46:51
of our guys, the fly fishing guys, that are very anti CCA right
1:46:56
now. Uh me personally, I've been anti CCA for a lot of years.
1:47:00
You join the club, but the thing is like the shock and awe
1:47:04
that some of these guys are going through right now. That the CCA didn't
1:47:09
back them on the most aggressive course of action is a little bit. It's
1:47:13
a little bit overkill for me because I'm like, why wouldn't they back the
1:47:17
slower course of action that benefits more of their beneficiaries than they're a political organization.
1:47:24
Here's a question. They played the masses, baby, they don't play
1:47:27
the question. And I could be wrong about this, but here's a question
1:47:31
I have. All the people who go to Louisiana to catch redfish want to
1:47:38
catch a giant redfish. Yeah, so well, if I got my question
1:47:44
is are guides in outfitters are they not targeting slot fish? Well, here's
1:47:51
the thing is like, you know, because it means but they're slot If
1:47:56
you don't catch a lot of slot fish, they try slot slid fish here,
1:48:01
Yeah, and they harvest them. You mean like outfitters that are taking
1:48:04
people that want to keep fish. Yeah. So, so the idea about
1:48:09
going to Louisiana is you catch a giant red fish. So are they somebody
1:48:14
has to be targeting the slot fish to harvest. Same with deer, same
1:48:18
with white tailed But I guess the issue is they're seeing lesson they're starting to
1:48:23
see less and less of those big fish, I guess because they are harvesting
1:48:27
the slot fish that don't be And here's the thing is like how it works,
1:48:30
I don't know. You gotta look at it like this. So part
1:48:34
of it is part of it's bigger than the recreational harvest, right, So
1:48:41
a lot of it comes down to your men haden harvest offshore. It comes
1:48:45
down to it comes down to a lot of your bigger marshal things. Yeah,
1:48:48
which which are things that like are also trying to be addressed, but
1:48:51
are are not being met with a whole lot of agreement because there's a lot
1:48:57
more money involved there. It's a complicated fishery, yeah, delta march.
1:49:00
And then so what you have is so South Carolina had a very similar situation.
1:49:06
In the eighties. We allowed gilnetting here, which was a commercial ordeal.
1:49:11
We don't allow that now. We don't allow it now. But also
1:49:14
because of the guildnetting, because of the gill netting, we banned gilnetting because
1:49:19
the red fish stocks had fell to the floor, but they also banned any
1:49:23
harvest by any recreational angler for years. It was in the nineties before you
1:49:27
could keep a redfish in South Carolina. Yeah, I didn't know. Yeah,
1:49:30
this all happened late eighties, nineties, and then it was early two
1:49:33
thousand they expanded it to like fifteen to twenty four and then now I think
1:49:41
the keep rates a little higher. I don't know. I don't kill redfish.
1:49:43
I don't really care. But the thing is like, basically, we've
1:49:45
walked up to the point where we have one of the best like per mile.
1:49:50
Believe this or not, you can believe this or not, other than
1:49:54
Louisiana's the only state that can compete with us. We have the greatest number
1:49:58
of redfish per square mile of marsh of any state in the country. That's
1:50:01
a fact if you exclude coast, if you exclude if you exclude Louisiana.
1:50:08
So, but the thing is like, we started from the not the eighties
1:50:11
of having zero redfish basically to now being one of the most plarific you know,
1:50:15
whatever prolific areas of redfish that you can have. Louisiana beats us.
1:50:21
But they also have the Mississippi fucking Delta to feed all those fish. So
1:50:26
it's like it's a it's a great fishery, but the problem is like now,
1:50:30
so you have a lot of outside forces, but one of the things
1:50:32
that the state can control. The state can't control a lot of these fisheries
1:50:36
because a lot of them are international. They can stay three miles off the
1:50:39
coast, and they're now a United States problem. They're not a Louisiana problem
1:50:43
or an Alabama problem or whoever. So the one thing they can address is
1:50:47
their recreational fishery and their commercial fishery for those specific fish, and that's what
1:50:53
they're trying to do. That makes sense. So people are mad because the
1:50:57
CCA took the softer approach versus the heart approach. The argument against taking the
1:51:03
soft approaches we don't know what the fuck's gonna happen in thirty years, So
1:51:09
the soft approach gives a thirty year timeline for a recovery versus the heart approach,
1:51:14
which gives a ten or fifteen year approach. Right, So the problem
1:51:17
is, I mean, I'm not gonna try to stand here and be one
1:51:23
of these like climate like alarmists. But the thing is, like the chances
1:51:26
of all of the non human climactic things that have been going on in our
1:51:32
world getting better over the last over the next thirty years is slim. The
1:51:38
chances of them being the same or worse, it's probably pretty fucking good.
1:51:42
Do you know how small those changes are? Yeah? I know. But
1:51:45
what I'm saying is those changes are so small. But the thing is like,
1:51:48
we don't control any of them, is the main and we never have
1:51:53
exactly, We've never changed any of that. So the argument, So the
1:51:59
argument is gone cyclical since time of memorial, and we can go on that.
1:52:02
But my thing is like, regardless of where you stand on the climbactic
1:52:06
things, the point is the argument comes down to the controlled things, and
1:52:10
the controlled things are the humans. We control the humans and said we're gonna
1:52:17
punt for the long play, and the fly Fishing Guides Association said we want
1:52:24
the short play. And so now you've got a hard line. Okay,
1:52:28
So, because the guides make money in the ccas well, luxury is sitting
1:52:33
on there, well, well wealthy asses and just being like, I gotta
1:52:39
give them a little bit more slack than that in that they think they actually
1:52:43
care at the end of the day, like everyone cares. Man. Well,
1:52:46
yeah, I'm not saying they don't care. It's so in the last
1:52:50
I would say the last seven years, I've started to be more in tune
1:52:57
on Instagram to seing that's just that's just my I don't see this on the
1:53:00
news right, So it's been going on a lot longer than seven years.
1:53:08
But man, I feel sorry for that fishery, which in turn, I
1:53:11
feel sorry for the fish because basically, from November through February, every fourth
1:53:17
or fifth picture I see on Instagram is someone holding one of those big fish.
1:53:21
The next picture they have a double, the next picture they have a
1:53:25
triple. And it's like the Disney World for going to catch big redfish that
1:53:30
are just sitting there. Man, I was in the cold water and I
1:53:31
just need to get back in the water, and I feel I feel fucking
1:53:34
bad for them kind of. And to see all this media about this and
1:53:40
that at the end of the day, the fly fishermen and the guides and
1:53:43
the anglers me included. I went last year and did this same thing.
1:53:46
Doug's been there. I don't know if you've ever never been there. I've
1:53:48
been there. We're all part of the issue. But there's a problem too
1:53:51
with what the fly fishing people are doing. Even though they're catching releasing,
1:53:56
we have a stake in this as well, and a responsibility. You're not
1:54:00
living. People that are fishing there are not from Louisiana. Well, so
1:54:05
my thing is like this, like that's a problem people fishing Louisiana. Right,
1:54:14
I can tell you I've only ever been to New Orleans and and I'll
1:54:17
tell you right now, like there ain't nothing some fish we should not Yeah,
1:54:24
that shouldn't be so, but you got you got to catch twenty two
1:54:27
here because here's yeah, so because here's the thing. Like, so if
1:54:30
we if we agree with what was proposed by the fly fishing guides and what
1:54:34
they want with the restricted, basically you're putting all the burden on the people
1:54:40
that kill fish. Right. You're you're saying, hey, you can't come
1:54:44
here and catch a limit of redfish like you used to or limita se trout
1:54:47
or whatever. Right you're saying this is this is a law that bans you
1:54:51
from doing the thing that you like to do. But we the catch and
1:54:56
release guys, the fly fishermen, don't have to change anything. We still
1:55:00
do everything we want to fucking do. And so like my thing is like,
1:55:03
all right, prime example, I was just looking into I'm still looking
1:55:08
into him. Maybe for my forties birthday going to Kansas on a whitetail.
1:55:11
Now, if I want to go kill a large white tail in cap if
1:55:15
I want to go to Kansas and I want to kill a trophy buck,
1:55:18
I'm gonna have to pay for and apply for tags and you're gonna have to
1:55:24
work for it. But it's not even about that. But like the thing
1:55:29
is like, even to get a license to legally be allowed to try to
1:55:33
kill one, it's gonna take me probably two years to draw a tag that
1:55:38
says I'm legally allowed. Now do I think that fly fishermen should have to
1:55:43
draw tags to go fish for fish? Not necessarily, but at the same
1:55:47
time, maybe if you want to, if you want to, if you
1:55:50
want to preach that way, Yeah, I mean, I think the thing
1:55:55
is like, this sport's getting the point where like, look, we can
1:55:58
we can be on the high worse all we want about catching release and all
1:56:01
that stuff, but we play in a blood sport. Some of those fish
1:56:05
does catch. Your release is not always the answer. Some of those fish
1:56:09
does. Sometimes you need to kill and you need to call. And the
1:56:13
thing about I'm not I'm not even worried about that. What I'm saying is
1:56:15
like, if you want to make rules and laws that govern other people,
1:56:19
you need to have some skin in the game. So what are you willing
1:56:23
to give up, fishermen, Like, what kind of limitations are you going
1:56:27
to? Yeah? What what are what are we willing to give up to
1:56:30
say that it's worth other people. I am willing to give up some things
1:56:35
if I have the opportunity to educate my lawmakers, if I had the opportunity
1:56:41
to tell my lawmakers how this really works. Yes, given other fellow anglers,
1:56:49
even fellow anglers, because some people don't get it, like they don't
1:56:54
understand. If you would reduce the pressure now, I think the guides would
1:56:58
still have the same amount of people on their boat. I would think maybe
1:57:02
the way the math works out. But I'm not saying it's gonna get well.
1:57:05
Some of these like charter boats crazy out there. Some of we have
1:57:10
it right here in Charleston. Charter boat guys to take people out who are
1:57:15
here for two days in Charleston, and they take them out and they kill
1:57:20
six redfish or whatever the law allows. Yeah, and then they go back
1:57:26
to I don't know wherever. No, they have a second half day trip
1:57:30
that does the same thing. Yeah, And I'm like, that takes a
1:57:33
toll on. They just killed twelve redfish today, and I get that too,
1:57:39
Like, how many red do you think died today? My Lord,
1:57:45
Well it doesn't. But here's the thing, Like, there are people a
1:57:46
lot smart than us that are like, okay in this, Mike, I
1:57:50
don't know a lot of people smarter than you. So the thing is like
1:57:54
in the state, in the state of seth Cony, you've got the se
1:57:59
dn R, you've got the people that are monitoring the stocks. And in
1:58:00
Louisiana they have the same thing. They're they're taking a look at Louisiana.
1:58:04
Is the big problem you have in Louisiana is like, from my understanding,
1:58:08
the fisheries biologists side with the fly fisher on this. They're like, we
1:58:12
need a drastic, really hard cut on how many fucking fish were killing And
1:58:16
they sided with the fly fishing guys on this one, And well CCIA didn't,
1:58:23
And so that that's the big drawl on here. And so here's my
1:58:26
thing. I don't want to get all crazy. I don't think we need
1:58:28
draw tags for redfish anything like that. What I want to clarify is what
1:58:34
I want to clarify is that I want, first off, if you were
1:58:39
surprised by the c c A stance on redfish and Louisiana, you have never
1:58:46
had any interaction with the CCIA before, because the CCA is what they are,
1:58:51
baby, They're They're a large national corporation. There are some good people
1:58:59
there. No, I don't hammered d more than ones in my life.
1:59:04
My thing is like, my thing is like, look, although that does
1:59:10
sound good, fly fishermen we always forget because we're on a little bubble.
1:59:15
We feel like we're the majority. We are a tiny, minute fraction of
1:59:20
community. We can't hurt anyone, and so the CIA unfortunately speaks for a
1:59:26
lot more people than us. But here's my thing. Sure, sure,
1:59:30
I I honestly I side with the biologists in Louisiana. I side with the
1:59:35
fly fisherman Louisiana side its association in Louisiana and the promotion of tighter restrictions I
1:59:44
think. But I'm not surprised by the CIA's decision to do the c C
1:59:47
get all the clout and not the state, Like why did the state?
1:59:50
Because the state can use the CIA, the state will use the c CIA
1:59:56
as an excuse and a financial incentive to to do what they did. The
2:00:00
lawmakers. I'm good for now. The lawmakers made the decision. The lawmakers
2:00:03
make the decision. But the thing is like when the biggest money organization in
2:00:09
the state comes in and says, hey, we represent a lot of your
2:00:12
voters, what are the lawmakers going to do? All right, maybe we
2:00:15
should go into k sooling tok so. Yeah, I guess so that was
2:00:23
that was that was not case so well good episode. Let's we're gonna do
2:00:28
a holiday in two weeks like a holiday episode. Yeah, yeah, we
2:00:31
got terry claws. Dad, I say, I'm having a Christmas ugly sweater
2:00:39
party. You didn't. Is it on weekend for a day? No,
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it's summer Friday. That's the weekend for me. All wanted it to be
2:00:46
a Saturday. It doesn't matter. I'm still out. I love your dog.
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Way to go. It wasn't your fault, baby, Yes, way
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to try to be nice. Doug was trying. You were trying. Anyone
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out there listening, You're welcome. Just message us and Wilson. I'll go
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get this man. Man, that's all go inside said this man. Sacon
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looks shoy. Hello there, flood time fan. Oh I'm always better eye
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fans. I keep getting that confuse. It's been so many years, but
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you know, some things just stay Paul, look at you, Hi buddy,
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Hi Dug just passing Obody twenty one year old room around like it's like
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it's parent bay and a college party with him. It just chirked me up.
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No, yeah, I use my pocket your ball here, Richard?
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How you be man? Oh? You know sometimes I just hang around and
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just do my thing. Well you hey, how you feel being with you
2:02:08
being up? We've been good. We've been good, buddy. Are you
2:02:11
Are you in for the holidays? Well, you know my family down in
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the On they got bid in holiday seas and so I think I'm just gonna
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hang around Charlton. Were the first time I had the youth had in the
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Charthon bad weird. I think that's great. Yeah, great. Mike said
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he saw you living in kind of not really the alley, but the space
2:02:32
between his house and the neighbor's house. Yeah, it's Thanksgiving day, he
2:02:35
said. You literally would dragged the turkey between the houses and Charboro. That
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fucker right on the fire. Look all I can say might need to check
2:02:47
his neighborhood survey in allotment because there's a little gap there. Home, there
2:02:54
is a little gap. It's the just widen up for my trailer and turkey
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burner. Now I may have used his backyard for the disposal of the grief,
2:03:04
but that's another here, nor there is like he just needs to pay
2:03:08
more attention to the government sounds and there I get technically, if you want
2:03:15
to get weird about it. Hey, hey, Richard, I wanted to
2:03:17
ask you because I'm living down downtown on the Ashley River. That sounds like
2:03:23
a mistake. Well have you noticed an uptick in raccoons? Well, yeah,
2:03:28
so here's what's happening. There's an uptick. So with the global woman
2:03:31
and the thieves arriving, the the raccoons they don't have the space to forage
2:03:40
along the side of the mush, you know, as they use so mush.
2:03:45
It's just pushing them in in the neighborhoods, which is just a boom
2:03:48
for business for Richard Kaso. The coon call powder, I got coon call
2:03:53
powder coming out by Nerves. I saw it in Costco. Yeah, it's
2:03:57
amazing. Costco picked it up, got buckets you could buy coon call powder
2:04:01
by the five gallon bucket. That's how many coons has been coming out.
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I got so many, I'm naming them. I got people just handing the
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coons on the side of the street. I stopping the gather, said Richie
2:04:11
Canzo take these coons and I just pick them up. And it's amazing,
2:04:15
amazing. You must have like tens in your wallets. Right. I don't
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want to talk about how much money I walk around you rough neighborhood. I
2:04:29
don't know if you noticed, but I feel from alive walking to my truck,
2:04:32
and you will. How do you think I pulled my trailer around.
2:04:38
I've always had a truck with a bicycle. One time it didn't work out.
2:04:44
All. Yeah, you know Justin Hodge from your Columbia. He took
2:04:53
the pictures of them one time. Three boyd he was in here a little
2:04:57
bit girl. I think he and Mad went down to the whale. Wow,
2:05:00
you can't pick nothing good up out of there. So I got I
2:05:03
got an email for you. Oh my lord, what you got? So
2:05:15
this comes from Johnny Applewood. Why y'all giggling so much? Just three the
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guy? Okay, here we go. Here's what it says, it says,
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Hey, dear Richard, I got a question for you. I love
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I love normal like bait fishing with corks and popping corks and fly fishing.
2:05:43
How do you feel about me throwing a popping cork and a shrimp on a
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fly rod? Well, I don't know if you know, man, I'm
2:05:49
missing, but man, my miss it already did it and it worked pretty
2:05:54
well. However, what I would suggest is that you sure the leader.
2:06:04
Yeah, I mean it's a pendulum effect that it's all physics and it's really
2:06:10
complicated. What you want to do is you want to make the leader very
2:06:15
sure son that the pendulum effect doesn't sling the shrimp off too far. Okay,
2:06:20
okay, Well, I'm sure you're heard it, and we'll good.
2:06:25
Does that good? Kind? Like a hopper dropper? And you guys investigated
2:06:30
where this storm drain goes on the house side of your building? No,
2:06:34
we haven't. I've got some things I need to just both off, and
2:06:39
I'm not sure if I should release them in I have some rope in the
2:06:45
truck. We can tie rope around you. Send you down there. Do
2:06:47
that a really bad idea and you see where he goes be able to get
2:06:57
down there, I make I'll make a look around on and just you know,
2:07:00
scautter it out. If it's like general suwage. I feel like what
2:07:05
I'm doing is perfectly legal. I'm if it goes to the marsh, we
2:07:10
may have a problem. Well, hey, Terry Klaus is going to be
2:07:14
here in a couple of weeks. I love Claus. You guys know each
2:07:16
other for a long time. Yeah, legally we have to stay here like
2:07:19
five hundred feet apart. So how far is it from here to the end
2:07:24
of your parking? Well, you're both the show. We'll just coordinate it.
2:07:28
We'll figure it out. Yeah. Is that because of Damien, Well,
2:07:31
let's just say Damien that plays a part in it. Damien plays a
2:07:36
part in a lot of things. Okay, Well, what's your next big
2:07:41
venture? Bro? You going fishing? You're making any new products? So
2:07:45
I don't want to talk too much about it, because if I'm not getting
2:07:49
I'm not ready to release things that make money. Paul. I know you're
2:07:54
just an artist and you're happy just starving to death and shit, But like
2:07:58
I'm trying to make money, start trying to not be poor. Paul.
2:08:01
I'm trying to feed the little Richard case house that doesn't exist. Talk about
2:08:07
a new product can tell you about how many Richard little Richards out there.
2:08:16
I don't know how many little Richards they are, but there's enough that my
2:08:20
picture gets a little tight. Don't you think I'm thinking about a thing that
2:08:26
involves an otter? Oh okay, they have teeth and now just don't get
2:08:35
into weirdness about it. But let's just a low country merging. If you
2:08:43
merging between the two animals. Yeah, I like that, but look,
2:08:48
let's not talk about it. Keep down on the quiet. We got to
2:08:52
keep on. You're gonna go get some Mexican food. Yeah, yeah,
2:09:00
I little case it's nice, spilled the same. Just so we're clear,
2:09:05
my name is not Richard case over the que. That would be weird,
2:09:11
would be No, it's case over a case. We're gonna need to pay
2:09:13
for you again? Or well? I mean, if you're offering, I'm
2:09:16
not going to turn it down. I got you, buddy. Yeah,
2:09:20
look at Doggie's Las Vegas coffee shop. Deals with your paper. Yeah,
2:09:30
I guess I gotta go because you're playing my music, my gas man.
2:09:43
Well, I guess we're buying him. Is Richard really? Yeah, he's
2:09:48
coming to the Did you tell a deal in Las Vegas? I don't remember
2:09:54
if I mentioned Damn Man first off? Richard, he hides you. You
2:10:00
talked to him a lot. You've met Richard. I know, I know,
2:10:05
I know, I know a lot. Hey, Man, don't look
2:10:07
at me. I don't know. It's it was probably it was probably Paul
2:10:11
Paul. That's easier for me. Boys. I'm ready to get here and
2:10:16
get somebody. Yeah, I'm starving, So hey, like, can we
2:10:20
recap for a minute, because I think we had an amazing time. It
2:10:24
was impact so weird, it was weird, mix, it was great,
2:10:26
it was good. It was good. We crammed like ten pounds and a
2:10:30
five pounds back justin Mike. Mike made some great points. Yeah, yeah,
2:10:39
I remember most of them. You did. Yeah, Doug missed the
2:10:41
kind of the recap bullshit section. It's like, yeah, you were outside
2:10:46
bits, you were outside doing the I was outside the window. Oh yeah,
2:10:50
yeah. We were talking about like Doug's outside the window. He didn't
2:10:54
once maybe point to the like come let me in, so he just everyone
2:10:58
knows I was actually in the window because I was so cold. But you
2:11:03
were making, was like, yeah, but I wouldn't because I got door
2:11:07
and I was like I was freezing. You were doing you were doing gestures
2:11:11
that seemed like you were like, I'm on the phone. I'm sorry,
2:11:15
guys. Like it wasn't like now everyone knows how good of friends y'all.
2:11:20
It actually just shows an actor you are. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
2:11:24
we didn't even we didn't understand what was that Tonight was fun. It was
2:11:28
fun. All right, two weeks. We'll do it again in two weeks.
2:11:31
Yeah, two weeks, we'll do the Christmas special barbiche, set a
2:11:33
date and make it. We'll make a happen. Yeah, hey, guys,
2:11:37
all right, we appreciate y'all. Can we can we just look back
2:11:39
on like six years ago when Dogg had it with the five xot that there,
2:11:46
Yeah I did that. What did he get it? Yeah? He
2:11:48
got it like I bought it in the gas station on the corner in the
2:11:54
old house. Yeah. Yeah, that was like such an attorney out all
2:11:58
right, all right, we'll see y'all. We love y'all. Wait,
2:12:01
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