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Run It Up · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  The. And welcome back to the Boundary
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  Corner podcast along with my partners, Brian Siegel and
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  Jonathan Talley, I am Curtis Wilson and we are part of the
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  College Huddle Network. And as always, this episode is
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  S Main St. in Blacksburg. Fellas, it's good to be back.
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  Good to be back gentlemen, how we feeling?
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  It's snowing down here, That's all I know.
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  It's snowing. It's, it's, it's snowing there.
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  It's snowing here. It's.
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  Snowing. I want to say it's snowing.
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  It's snowed. It dusted.
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  There, there's snow on the ground.
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  Yeah, it dusted. We're actively getting some
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  action here. Virginia Beach is getting
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  slammed right now. Well, levar, well levar is levar
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  levar down if levar checks in tonight Levar got to tell us how
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  deep is it where he lives because I know he lives down in
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  the 75. Talked to the the in laws not
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  too long ago and they're plus 6 inches last I checked and it
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  didn't even start till noon there.
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  It we got like a dusting overnight here.
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  Had a little bit of break in the morning and then about between
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  8:00 and 9:00 it came back with a with a fury and hasn't stopped
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  since. Wow.
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  Stuff, man. Wow.
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  Got the hunger drill shirt on in honor.
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  In honor, they're going through it right now.
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  My, my, my oldest son loves this shirt by the way, he's like,
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  he's like dad. That shirt's just so cool.
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  So you know, and the the other son we got to something y'all
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  have in the Canon a few weeks here.
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  We we, we got to talk to Jay Lane last night.
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  Me and Brian did, which was super awesome.
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  And my middle son was hyped. He was like, that's 83, Don't
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  you play with him on the game? And I'm like, yeah, I do.
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  So his next question was, who else from the game are you going
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  to be talking to soon? Like, I don't know, son.
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  We'll see. We'll see.
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  He's he's, he's hyped for it, man.
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  Hey, we've already had a couple. We already had a couple of those
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  folks in the game on here already.
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  I know we had. I'm going to show him that he's
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  going to get even more hyped. Tally, how's baseball going man?
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  How cold was it when y'all played yesterday?
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  Too cold, it was too cold, man. It probably, I think it was,
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  ended up being maybe like 4042 somewhere around there.
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  Too cold for me. I mean it was and most of the
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  his games are double header so 4:30 and 6:30 type thing and
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  about that 631 it was rough to deal.
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  With soon as sun. Went down, it got red.
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  We got games Friday and Saturday, which they're already
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  talking about. It may be too cold to play one
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  or both of those, so we'll see what's.
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  Too cold to play in Alabama? Yeah, what's too cold to play in
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  Alabama? Sub 40 let.
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  Me see, how can I explain it? I don't know.
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  I guess if you hit the ball and it jars your hand too much,
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  that's too cold. I mean, it's no, it's no number.
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  They're going, they're going to play as as much as they can, but
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  I don't know what the number is to when they say it's too cold.
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  All right, well listen, PT going to be a college ball player one
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  day. Tell him when he's in D1 it
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  don't matter how cold it is they play.
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  Yeah, OK. Tell them you better go 26
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  playing. Yeah, tell them you better try
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  to get somewhere where it's warm.
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  I want to be up north. Florida.
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  Go to Florida. Anywhere in Florida that gives
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  you a scholarship, just go right.
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  All right. Well, fellas, it's good to be
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  back together, y'all we've been all three of us we've.
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  Been there's some weather updates from around the horn
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  here guys. Let's get some weather.
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  Updates in here. It's no snow, but it's 10° in
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  Texas. Oh, we got another here.
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  Robbie got out of school today for clouds.
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  I just need to let us know what part of Texas is that damn cold?
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  Yeah, Where is it? Up on the Panhandle or
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  something. It's cold everywhere.
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  I'd love to hear what's down in the 75 right now snow wise.
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  So let us know. But it's been a few weeks.
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  We got a ton to unload tonight. Obviously, we're going to talk
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  offensive coordinator in just a few minutes here.
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  We're going to talk about the extension of the ACC contract,
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  the playoff talk as well, the House talk, all that stuff, just
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  because that interests us. But let's talk about what
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  happened a little over a couple weeks ago.
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  And Tyler Bone effectively leaves the Virginia Tech Hokies
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  in the offensive coordinated position, and he takes the
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  offensive line coach. Hallelujah.
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  Head of Ohio State Tally, I told you right off.
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  I'm letting you go first on this one because six weeks ago.
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  Let him go. I mean, again, I'll I, if I'm
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  thinking in my like business mind, I guess if I'm Brett
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  Pratt, I think Brett Pratt is the problem.
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  That's what I think. I think he's the head coach.
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  I think the problems have fallen on him, whether it's personnel
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  problems or game managing problems or whatever they are.
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  I think ultimately it falls on him.
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  But everybody was so hyped to get rid of Marv and I said we
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  had just as much problem on offense as we did defense.
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  You got everything you wanted back on offense.
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  I said all this returning production, you got your, you
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  know, quarterback going back and you got everything you want on
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  offense. And we shit the bed every game.
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  Not one game, not two games, multiple games.
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  We just look discombobulated to me.
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  Everybody said, well, we scored, you know, this many points or we
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  ranked this. I don't care about rankings if
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  it doesn't equate to wins. Like if you, if it's situational
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  football and you're not winning in those situations, it doesn't
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  matter. So a lot of times we may have
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  scored, scored 30 when we should have scored 40 or we should have
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  scored 50, you know, with what we had and what we could have
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  done. But again, I ain't, I'm not here
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  just to bash Tyler Bowen, but he took another job and I'm happy
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  that he did. But the thing that makes me
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  think he took an offensive line coach job, right?
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  And he was the offensive coordinator of the worst fucking
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  offensive line in the ACC. That was not one time you could
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  look in that room, just pop your head in that room and go, hey
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  man, this shit don't look right. Y'all need to do something?
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  Different. Like you couldn't say nothing.
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  I just think a lot of times, man, these coaches just accept
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  the check. They're checked out.
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  Like they don't, they don't care.
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  They act like they care. I get it.
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  It's a job. Everybody goes to a job and you
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  get paid to do your job. But like my wife is a nurse.
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  I'm not trying to hype up, but she loves her job.
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  She comes home and she tells me things and she goes to, I've
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  seen her go to Walmart one time and and buy somebody who was
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  getting out of the hospital some clothes because they didn't have
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  family to get them clothes on the day they were leaving.
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  So she went and did that. She loves her job, you know, and
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  whatever they pay her, she is passionate about that job.
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  Can't say the same about everybody.
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  But when you're coaching my football team, I kind of want
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  you to be passionate about it and really want to win.
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  And sometimes I just feel like we weren't.
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  And Tyler Bowen is one of the main, if you and I don't mean to
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  go on a tangent, but everybody knows that Clemson was one of
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  the worst, had one of the yeah, they had one of the worst
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  Russian defenses of anybody that we played on our schedule.
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  And I think we ran the ball like one time four times, however
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  many times, 4 times. The running back, I was going to
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  say it and you can't tell me. Oh, well, you didn't have any
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  running back or the running back was hurt.
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  You go give kids scholarships and NIL money to come play, put
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  them on the field. Yeah, put three on the field.
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  Three of those rushes were with your injured running back too.
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  Come on. Man, Yeah, come on, man.
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  Like as the offensive coordinator that should.
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  That's the offensive coordinator.
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  And everybody told me was good and safe.
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  Come on, man. Get the fuck out.
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  Go go coach offensive line or or I don't know, play swords with
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  Ryan Day. I don't care what you do.
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  Get the fuck out. Bye.
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  Bye. I'm happy.
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  I was excited. I didn't care who they got.
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  They could have. They could have said Curtis
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  Wilson is the new OC and I would have been more happy than Tyler
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  born being now. Curtis, what playbook we running
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  I'm. I'm kind of keen to playbook.
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  No, no, I like the Florida. I like the Florida playbook
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  right now. A lot of good amount of pistol
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  and shotgun, little bit of Wildcat and stuff.
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  But yeah, but but keep going, Jolly if you I'm.
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  Going to say I, I mean that that that is it.
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  I mean, that is where I was at from the beginning.
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  And again, God bless Tyler Boyne.
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  I hope he goes and has a successful career in whatever he
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  does. I don't wish any bad on anybody,
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  but I'm glad that he won't be in the booth or on the sidelines
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  calling no plays for us because just didn't look right to me.
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  Curtis, I'm going to throw it to you.
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  What do you think? Well, with me, it's a couple
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  things and I'll let Brian close it out in a second.
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  But so a it is a demotion. But if you ever tell me I were
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  to get a demotion and get a 20% raise less responsibility, I
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  ain't going to be looked at all the time.
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  Yep, I take it in a heartbeat and I like what I do as well.
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  But if you told me I got a 20% raise less responsibility, yes,
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  I will take it in a heartbeat. The other thing is this tally
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  and I think it was in his head so let's say this next season
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  we've hired a new defensive coordinator, right?
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  We we're making some moves on that.
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  What if we go out and win 8 or 9 games, but you see us what you
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  just said tally, we have a game where we score 10 points of
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  defense, hold them to 14 and we lose.
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  Who's going to be the next person to get fired on the staff
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  if we have an 8 win season? It was going to be the offensive
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  coordinator. A lot of people said it should
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  have happened. You were you were leading that
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  charge, Tally, because what you just mentioned with the results.
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  So I think for him, he sort of knew well, if I go to Ohio
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  State, I get nothing but NFL prospects.
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  I might not have to work as hard.
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  I just noticed your little tag there, Tally.
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  So I I I get it. And for him, you know, like you
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  said, godspeed, Brian. I'm agreeing with Jim here.
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  Tally is 100% correct. So let let's run back and I I
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  tweeted this the other day when we were talking about Bowen
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  relative to the higher. We'll we'll talk about that in a
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  second. We're still focusing on Tyler
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  Bowen right now. Got.
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  Unloaded. When when we talk about Tyler
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  Bowen, we talk about a guy that from an offensive mind
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  perspective was, was up there pretty well like the guy, the
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  guy knew scheme, right. So he he, he was good from that
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  perspective. But what I saw consistently is
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  that every year, it took us four years to really find any sort of
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  consistent footing with our offense.
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  So we're going through our entire out of conference
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  schedule looking uneven. And that's not to say that we
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  didn't have moments of greatness.
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  I mean, the second-half against Vanderbilt looked pretty good,
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  even though we had a couple situations where it wasn't so
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  right. But you know, half of football,
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  we look, we play confident. But for that first month of the
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  season, we didn't put enough quarters together where you felt
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  like that offense was clicking the way it should.
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  That's that was consistent for three straight years.
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  True all right, so and then situational play calls, much
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  like talking about the Vanderbilt situational play
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  calls and and situational starts to games where it it felt like
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  we didn't necessarily have the right game plan coming in were
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  were problematic to me. Those are my biggest criticisms.
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  I thought that Bowen did mostly, you know, Clemson
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  notwithstanding and Tally, you already hammered him on Clemson.
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  I thought his adjustments in game and especially after
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  halftime were pretty good regardless of anything else we
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  were dealing with most of the year.
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  But it's still those situational play calls that left you
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  scratching your head. And it was those kind of initial
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  game plans that sometime we come in with and we're like, why are
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  we not taking advantage of these things?
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  Why? Why do we feel like we're we're
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  letting them dictate until we figure out where the holes are
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  instead of watching enough tape and doing enough game planning
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  where we're attacking those holes out the gate and we're
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  jumping on teams Inexperience. They got, can I make a quick
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  point to both y'all on this? So you talk about the Vanderbilt
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  game. The first half was God awful
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  offensively. It was let's go to the Boston
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  College game real quick. We can't be stopped in the first
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  half, 28, nothing. What happens in the third
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  quarter, the offense basically doesn't move the ball at all, at
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  all. It literally took Jaden Keller
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  getting a fourth down stop to flip the momentum of that game.
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  And it's like we've talked about going with this before.
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  There were times when he rolls sevens.
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  He just hit seven. He hit seven and seven.
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  If he ain't rolling sevens, though, he's rolling snake eyes
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  and he's busting you every time. So it was that inconsistency
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  where times it looked like, my God, he, he can call every play,
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  right? I go back to the first year,
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  2021 against NC State. That third quarter, we scored 21
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  unanswered points. We do nothing in the first half,
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  We do nothing in the fourth quarter and we lost that game
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  and you can't do that. It's just the lulls.
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  You, you can't. You can have a drive here or
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  there, but you can't have these long periods of lulls where.
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  You get 3. To four drives back-to-back
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  where you don't really get anything out of them even if you
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  score on the next 3 or 4. Situationally, things have
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  changed in the game. The flow of the game has
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  changed. The way you're having to run
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  these run your offense now has changed.
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  So you've lost the opportunity that you have by having those
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  long ass lulls in the game. It doesn't happen in a vacuum.
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  That's why you need to be consistent.
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  Yeah, my problem with college football is that I I'm, I guess
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  I'm a glutton for punishment. I go and watch too much film and
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  to watch too much like off the ball stuff.
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  If I'm off as a coordinator or a head coach or anybody and I have
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  bashful tune in my backfield and he has to look over to the
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  sidelines and tell me to give him the ball.
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  I deserve to lose my job. And it was games when he was
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  looking to the sidelines saying give me the ball, the one person
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  on the team that was leaving it all on the field every single
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  game. Not saying other guys didn't
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  leave it on the field, but I'm saying every game.
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  And it was times when he was saying, you know, give me the
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  ball. Beginning of the season.
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  We're like, why ain't they handing him the ball?
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  Why ain't they give him, give him the ball.
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  I don't know all. Right.
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  The other thing I was going to talk about it Tally, this was
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  kind of to your point with the offensive line higher here.
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  So like he gets hired to to coach off into wine and you're
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  like, why, why is it? Why aren't these discussions
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  happening? If if you're you're in that
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  room, you're that guy that is kind of overseeing this entire
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  ship. And I think some of this might
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  be just a mentality. And I don't know whether this is
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  a a prize culture thing or whether this is just Tyler Bowen
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  being inexperienced and not feeling like he can go in there
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  and bust some asses. But at some point, like you got
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  to be willing to step on folks toes and make them a little
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  uncomfortable if they're not getting the job done.
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  Yeah, yeah. No, I agree 100%.
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  I agree. 100% that that that is effectively that management
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  responsibility, right? Office of Coordinator, people
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  can say what you want to say. Head coaches, the CEO, those
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  guys are the VPS and guess what, if you can't go there, what you
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  just said, Brian, if you can't, if you don't have the stones or
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  the intestinal fortune to walk into somebody's room and like
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  you are screwing up, let's talk through things.
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  You can bust them in front of people.
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  That's whatever that's what happens.
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  That happens to people. So anyway, Boeing off to Ohio
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  State, Tally's happy and let me hit this y'all before we talk
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  about the higher the name floating around yet Christian
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  Taylor, Neil Brown. There was one other person, I
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  cannot remember who it was if y'all can remember, but I.
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  Think it was a dude at East Carolina.
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  I can't remember the. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  It was the OCD. He was.
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  He's like 30. He's younger and Tyler Bowen.
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  But he also was lanes Co OC down at old Miss.
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  So that's that means you don't call plays though.
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  That means you do shit, but you don't call plays.
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  But any of those names stick out like it all John David Baker.
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  Nah. Nothing Job.
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  Not really. I mean, I know when we were
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  talking about it, when it was first kind of leaked, when they
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  talked about Christian Taylor, I was like who?
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  I think I put in the chat like nobody knows who this guy is.
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  And then y'all was like, you know, hey dude.
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  Dude, we all wanted him. He.
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  Was like he's the guy we wanted to hire over Bowen when the
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  first round of washer man. I did a little bit of research
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  afterwards and I was like, OK, I mean, if we get him, hopefully
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  he can do something, but wasn't too excited.
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  I mean, it was, I wasn't mad, but I wasn't, I wasn't excited.
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  I get to, you know, the the second part of that when we
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  start talking about the high. But when the names was floating
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  around, it was just like, all I wanted was the experience.
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  And like I said, I know we're going to get into it.
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  I want an experience and I wanted somebody who was not
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  linked to. Like I don't care if they went
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  to Virginia Tech. I don't care if they've been
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  here. I don't care if they know pride
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  and they're cool with him. I wanted somebody to come in and
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  be like I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to revamp my career
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  as well. I'm trying to get to the next
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  level. I don't want just come in and
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  follow orders, you know, So again, I know we're talking
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  about it here in a minute when we when we actually get to the
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  high. But Brian, what did you, I know
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  we, I know we talk all the time. So yeah, you what did you think
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  about, you know, the names that were floating around?
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  Excited, not excited. I don't know if excited would
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  would be the right word because it's hard to get excited when
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  you are having to replace an offensive coordinator in
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  February. Yeah.
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  But relative to the names that were out there and kind of who I
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  thought was available, who I thought made sense, you know,
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  shout out Tim Thomas, you know, there was some names that made a
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  lot of sense, right? All the names make sense.
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  There there was there was names that made a lot of sense.
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  Neil Brown made a lot of sense. Ricky Ronnie made a lot of
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  sense. Like names like.
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  That they kind of got floated. Out there pretty early, those
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  those made a lot of sense. So you got you got head coaching
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  experience. That's something that Crockett
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  potentially lean on. You know, whether good, bad or
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  ugly, they both have head coaching experience.
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  So that's bringing at least another round of experience into
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  the room that could help him with his process as well that he
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  can kind of use to to lean on in some of those areas that he can
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  spend an offseason with and kind of talk through different
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  scenarios where he feels like he can improve his skill set as a
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  head coach, right? So that that's helpful in those
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  standpoint. So if we were given like a
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  Ricky, like putting a curve in there, right?
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  If you got a Ricky Ronnie to Neil Brown, that was going to be
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  an A+ to me given given the circumstances.
• 22:08
  So that we're we're setting the curve with those names and then
• 22:12
  down from there, I think you look at somebody like Taylor,
• 22:17
  somebody like John David Baker that would kind of be in that B
• 22:20
  range, right. So you got a you got a couple
• 22:22
  guys that have had some experience, considered, you
• 22:28
  know, up and comers up and comers really good minds,
• 22:32
  innovative minds on the offensive side of the football,
• 22:36
  but not necessarily P4 experience.
• 22:38
  Obviously no head coaching experience.
• 22:40
  So you're you're it's not somebody that can have that
• 22:43
  mentor mentee relationship with pry either.
• 22:46
  So that that's kind of that B range, you know, somewhere in
• 22:50
  the BB minus range, right. So that that's kind of where I
• 22:53
  was hoping that at we would be at worse was going into that B
• 22:55
  minus range. And then, you know, Neil Brown
• 22:59
  and Ricky Ronnie would have kind of set my curve at a A+ range if
• 23:02
  we were able to pull those guys in.
• 23:04
  Yeah. So now you know Curtis, you can
• 23:06
  say your piece and then we can, you know, talk about where we
• 23:08
  think, think the hire. Went well.
• 23:10
  I'll hit it real quick. If it had been Christian Taylor,
• 23:12
  you look at the innovation down at William and Mary and it would
• 23:14
  be like, we can live with that. He's a grafting kid.
• 23:17
  He's a 75 kid. So he played down there.
• 23:20
  He played quarterback and linebacker.
• 23:22
  He played with actually a guy me and Brian have worked with in
• 23:25
  the past. He soon as that king copped out,
• 23:27
  I got a text from my buddy Sean. He's like, dude, I, I played
• 23:30
  ball with this guy. He's a good player.
• 23:32
  He's a good coach. But to your point, Brian, real
• 23:34
  quick, Ricky Ronnie, to me, Neil Brown would have been the one,
• 23:39
  but he's a head coach that's getting paid $7 million over the
• 23:43
  next 3:00-ish. Not do Jack shit.
• 23:46
  And you know what, he's like 44 years old.
• 23:50
  Somebody tells me we'll give you $7,000,000.
• 23:52
  You don't have to do anything for the next few years.
• 23:55
  And you know the amount of pressure, these guys, I
• 23:56
  understand why he didn't take it.
• 23:58
  But where, where, where the names that got floated were
• 24:03
  fine. Like there we did not have AC or
• 24:06
  D. These are betters where we were.
• 24:09
  And then finally we land on Phillip Montgomery and kind of a
• 24:15
  name out of nowhere. There were some people on
• 24:17
  certain places saying the guy's experience.
• 24:20
  It's a really experienced hire. And you know, for y'all who have
• 24:24
  been living under a rock for the past couple days, you know,
• 24:28
  Phillip Montgomery is hired as the offensive coordinator.
• 24:32
  His most previous stop was in college was at Auburn back in
• 24:36
  2023. Tally's going to get into that
• 24:39
  in a few seconds. And then he was the Co OC of the
• 24:42
  Birmingham Stallions in the UFL and they won the Championship
• 24:46
  last year. Tons of stop between here and
• 24:49
  there and we're going to hit all that.
• 24:50
  But I'm all pitch it to Brian first.
• 24:53
  Brian with this resume. Kevin, what's happening?
• 24:57
  Kevin is here. Can it be killed?
• 25:00
  Kevin's name got I think dropped at the presser the other day
• 25:04
  straight up. But Brian, you look at his
• 25:07
  resume, I mean 20 plus years as a collegiate coach, what excites
• 25:13
  you most about the resume that comes in?
• 25:17
  I think the thing that excites me the most and the thing that
• 25:20
  probably excites the gentleman whose name just flashed across
• 25:24
  the screen the most is the legitimate quarterback coaching
• 25:29
  experience that this guy's bringing to the table.
• 25:31
  Whether Pry has him as a walk around OC or whether he is
• 25:35
  sticking strictly in that quarterback room, you know,
• 25:37
  that's that remains to be seen. I don't think Pry kind of
• 25:41
  hammered that home at the presser, but regardless, having
• 25:47
  that guy with that much coaching experience in the room, being
• 25:49
  the guy that's pulling the trigger on on these play calls,
• 25:52
  that means a lot from a development standpoint.
• 25:55
  That means a lot from how do you incorporate your quarterback
• 25:58
  into your overall scheme standpoint.
• 26:00
  So I'm excited from that front. You know, when we're talking
• 26:04
  about grades, if Dale Brown was the A+ here, I'm going to give
• 26:07
  this it's a -, B plus range for me.
• 26:11
  It's somewhere, you know, between the, the, the Ronnie and
• 26:16
  the the deal Brown hire but but higher than those other two
• 26:20
  names, young and innovative, but maybe not quite no head coaching
• 26:25
  experience. You're not bringing necessarily
• 26:27
  the the quarterback room experience that you like.
• 26:29
  If you hire a Christian Taylor, for example, So you you get both
• 26:33
  of those things with this, you get kind of that that mentor
• 26:37
  type relationship that proc and lean on from a, you know, a guy
• 26:40
  that's been a head coach, you know, at the D1 level.
• 26:44
  So, you know, all these things are are, I think, big pluses.
• 26:47
  And to Tally's point, somebody that wants to earn a spot back,
• 26:52
  right. So it is a guy that, you know,
• 26:55
  was AOC had a ton of success out the gate, you know, through his
• 27:00
  time and initially as a head coach and primary play caller at
• 27:04
  Tulsa, had some some pretty good success early on in in his stint
• 27:07
  as a head coach at Tulsa. And now, you know, obviously
• 27:11
  that didn't work out long term at Tulsa.
• 27:13
  You know, you had a little bit of a rough stint at Auburn that
• 27:16
  I know Tally's going to elaborate on a little bit there.
• 27:18
  And, you know, you go to the UFL, have some success and now
• 27:23
  you're you're kind of working your way back into, you know, P4
• 27:27
  football now at Virginia Tech. So you got an opportunity to
• 27:30
  really show that you still got what it takes.
• 27:32
  And I like having a guy that is hungry and still has something
• 27:35
  to prove. Tell what about you, you look at
• 27:39
  that resume up there, you know, 20 plus years coaching, coaching
• 27:43
  high school as well. What, like did you when you
• 27:46
  looked at it and said, damn, I like that right there?
• 27:48
  Man, it's just experience, man. Like like Brian said, I think
• 27:53
  Josh just put it in the chat, he said.
• 27:55
  Quarterback coach for RG3. Sometimes if you've never seen
• 28:02
  something, it's hard for you to imagine what to do with it, you
• 28:05
  know what I'm saying? It's like when I was selling
• 28:07
  cars and somebody would go, excuse me, when I was selling
• 28:11
  cars and somebody would go like, well, what's the difference in
• 28:15
  ART to a scat pack? Now?
• 28:19
  I can't explain it to you if you ain't been in it, you know what
• 28:21
  I'm saying? Like it's got more horsepower.
• 28:23
  It's don't go faster. It's going to go if you stomp
• 28:27
  the gas, it's going to get to the next light faster than this
• 28:31
  one. That's the that's what it's
• 28:33
  going to do. But unless you actually been
• 28:35
  behind the wheel and you stump the gas and the back wheels get
• 28:38
  squirrely and you know how to hold it in the road, things like
• 28:41
  that, you can't expect what to do until you've been in the
• 28:45
  position. So somebody who has coached a
• 28:48
  mobile quarterback who has, I mean, at the highest level, RG3,
• 28:53
  you know, think about RG3. And even when he was at Tulsa,
• 28:56
  we don't even have to talk that far.
• 28:58
  You know, when he was at Tulsa, you can think about some of the
• 29:00
  quarterbacks that he had and the plays that they ran.
• 29:04
  I think 247 did a really good. They did a really good
• 29:08
  comparison of kind of like bowing to Montgomery's offensive
• 29:13
  style and how it will change a little bit, getting the ball out
• 29:17
  of the quarterback's hands faster, a little bit more up
• 29:20
  tempo, things like that. But the main thing, we can talk
• 29:24
  all the numbers. I get Shelton on here to tell me
• 29:26
  all the numbers. I know he's he can dive into it
• 29:28
  like way, way better than anybody else.
• 29:30
  But just from a football fan standpoint, a Virginia Tech fan
• 29:36
  standpoint, you get somebody with head coaching experience
• 29:41
  that, like Brian said, has something to prove.
• 29:44
  And if things look wonky, most of the time, a coach like that
• 29:50
  will be like, hey, man, I don't agree with this.
• 29:52
  This don't look right. Why are we doing this?
• 29:54
  You know, and instead of just OK, we friends and I'm just
• 29:58
  going to, I'm just doing my job. You know, I'm just, I don't need
• 30:00
  a just I'm just doing my job person.
• 30:02
  I mean, we can win, let's win. And sometimes you just don't
• 30:06
  have the horses to win. Like really, some team, some
• 30:09
  games you play to other teams just better than you and you
• 30:12
  deserve to lose. It wasn't the case in a lot of
• 30:15
  games we played. Coaching lost us a lot of games.
• 30:18
  Being playing scared lost us a lot of games.
• 30:21
  You know, I'm not saying Montgomery's going to come in
• 30:24
  and change all of that because like I said at the beginning of
• 30:27
  the of the of the broadcast, it's ultimately on Pry.
• 30:32
  Pry is the man. Like he has to be better for
• 30:36
  Virginia Tech to win as a head coach.
• 30:39
  But you bring in somebody like Matt Moore in that offensive
• 30:42
  line room with a lot of experience and you bring in
• 30:45
  somebody like Montgomery with a lot of experience and powerful
• 30:49
  experience, you know, you know, and and I know we're going to
• 30:54
  get to it, which I'll go ahead and, and hop into it as well.
• 30:58
  When you talk about, because I've seen some people say, you
• 31:01
  know, he was down at Auburn and he sucked.
• 31:04
  Well, we ain't Auburn, you know, that's number one.
• 31:07
  I never understand when people say, well, he was at this school
• 31:10
  and he he sucked. Well, guess what?
• 31:12
  He might not have been a fit there.
• 31:13
  There's a lot of things that go into a factor of I don't know
• 31:17
  how Tyler Bowen got an offensive line coach job at Ohio State, I
• 31:21
  don't fucking know. I really don't know, but he's up
• 31:24
  there. He making $1,000,000.
• 31:26
  He going to make some money, so yes, exactly James.
• 31:30
  But most of the time from what I've seen, I mean, I'm around,
• 31:36
  I'm in Alabama, so Alabama and Auburn fans is what I'm around.
• 31:39
  Most Auburn fans are very happy with what Freeze has done
• 31:44
  recruiting wise. He is, he's, he's busting ass
• 31:47
  and recruiting. Like he just knows how to
• 31:49
  recruit. You know what I'm saying?
• 31:51
  He's he, he, he knows how to get in the mix.
• 31:53
  He knows the things to say. He knows I don't know where to
• 31:57
  drop the money if that's what he has to do.
• 31:59
  Like he'll get a little dirty. He'll he, he knows how to
• 32:02
  recruit, but when it comes to putting it on the field, he's
• 32:05
  been dropping the ball. You know, when you get into the
• 32:08
  recruiting game and you're talking to a high school high 4
• 32:14
  star, borderline 5 star running back and you say, OK, if I come
• 32:18
  to your school, how many touches am I going to get in my freshman
• 32:20
  year? And then you promise them
• 32:22
  something and then you don't live up to it.
• 32:23
  That's probably going to get you in some trouble.
• 32:25
  You know what I'm saying? When you got the offensive
• 32:27
  coordinator and the and the head coach on a different like they,
• 32:33
  they're just on different playing fields, you know what I
• 32:35
  mean? So I think that's a lot of stuff
• 32:37
  that happened when Montgomery was at Auburn.
• 32:39
  Freeze wanted it one way. Montgomery kind of wanted to do
• 32:43
  his thing and Freeze was like, no, we're going to run, but I
• 32:45
  want to run and I'm going to take over play calling and I'm
• 32:48
  going to go with this quarterback, I'm going to go
• 32:50
  with this. They ran off all the
• 32:52
  quarterbacks. August had some good
• 32:54
  quarterbacks to come through and they just, they ran them all off
• 32:58
  to go with Peyton Thorne. And Peyton Thorne ain't even
• 33:00
  from yet, like he's from Michigan or something.
• 33:03
  He came from Michigan State. So it wasn't like it was a local
• 33:07
  kid that they just had all this trust in.
• 33:09
  Auburn ran off Bo Nicks even before like Freeze got there.
• 33:13
  Like they just mismanaged a lot of quarterbacks.
• 33:16
  So Auburn's got their own problems.
• 33:18
  So anybody who's saying, well, he was at Auburn and he sucked,
• 33:22
  like Auburn's got bigger problems than an offensive
• 33:25
  coordinator, I'll just say that. So hopefully they get together
• 33:29
  because I love to watch Auburn. Like I, if I was any other fan
• 33:32
  besides like a Virginia Tech fan, I'd probably be an Auburn
• 33:34
  fan because I just keep up with like a lot of kids that I've
• 33:38
  known personally have gone to Auburn and Auburn's kind of that
• 33:44
  underdog in the, in the, you know, in the, in the Alabama,
• 33:50
  Alabama, Auburn rivalry. So I've kept up with him a lot.
• 33:53
  But back to what we talking about with Montgomery.
• 33:57
  Montgomery being there, as you can see, he was only there for
• 34:00
  one year. I really think that he just
• 34:03
  didn't have his feet under him to do what he wants to do.
• 34:06
  Freeze kind of wanted it to be and and that's his team, you
• 34:10
  know, it's his team. And if his name's on the line,
• 34:13
  he wanted it to be how he wanted it.
• 34:15
  And I understand. So one thing I can say about
• 34:17
  Montgomery, though, is when he got out of Auburn, he went
• 34:19
  straight to straight to the the UFL to try to get some old like
• 34:25
  experience and money and like he hungry, he trying to he trying
• 34:28
  to get somewhere. So I'm hoping that he just
• 34:30
  brings that here and I'm hoping that he doesn't bite his tongue
• 34:34
  when he sees stuff that's off. You know, I don't know exactly
• 34:38
  where his if he's on field, if he's in the booth, I don't know,
• 34:42
  but I just want him to be in prize ear like, hey man, this
• 34:45
  don't make sense. Why are you making my
• 34:46
  quarterback? We got A2 capable running backs.
• 34:49
  Why are we running our quarterback right here, you
• 34:52
  know, or why are we throwing the ball to the tight end right here
• 34:55
  when we have two good receivers? Whatever the case may be, I just
• 35:00
  hope he brings his experience to move the offense along.
• 35:03
  So I know that was a lot at one time.
• 35:06
  Curtis. Yeah.
• 35:08
  What you thinking? Well, with me, it's it's the
• 35:11
  head coach experience and it's for a couple reasons for for
• 35:13
  pride. First of all, not only his
• 35:16
  experience as an OC, but his experience as a head coach
• 35:19
  pride. The only thing he needs to go in
• 35:21
  is go check on that room. How's it going?
• 35:23
  Little motivational speech. Clap everybody up, make
• 35:26
  everybody feel good and leave. Because you have a guy who's
• 35:30
  effectively been an offensive coordinator, if I do the math
• 35:32
  here, because he called us all his offense, 1516 years of 1516
• 35:42
  years of calling offenses. He knows that room.
• 35:46
  Don't deal with that. The other thing about him being
• 35:49
  a head coach is he's been a head coach a hell of a lot more years
• 35:53
  than Brent Pryor ever has. Brent Pryor needs to get in his
• 35:55
  ear. Let's talk about game
• 35:56
  management, how we want to do things.
• 35:59
  What did you learn? Because you, you put up there
• 36:02
  with the Tech Sideline podcast. I, I listened to the interview
• 36:05
  today, shout out Chris Coleman, but big shout out.
• 36:09
  I am so glad they gave David Cunningham the lead chair and
• 36:12
  let him interview. That kid has been on this show
• 36:15
  numerous times. We've gotten to know him pretty
• 36:17
  well. He deserves to get to do things
• 36:19
  like that and he made a great play or a great interview with
• 36:23
  Montgomery today. But when you when you have that
• 36:27
  experience, it's almost like, don't worry about that room.
• 36:30
  That guy's been through experiences asking about what he
• 36:32
  would do in this situation. You have now effectively you can
• 36:37
  say a Lieutenant, he he's got a true Lieutenant now he can go in
• 36:41
  as being a head coach and say, hey, what would you do right
• 36:44
  here? Should we call timeouts right
• 36:46
  here? And I think that if anything,
• 36:48
  because Callie, you keep saying it, it is all on pride.
• 36:52
  It is all on pride. And if he's the problem, well,
• 36:55
  now you got somebody who's went through the wringer, right?
• 36:58
  Figure out what he did wrong. See if it's the same thing
• 37:00
  you're doing wrong and what can you do to maybe fix it?
• 37:03
  Because you still got to fix it. As far as the other stuff goes
• 37:08
  with the offense, you know, you know, somebody put it out here.
• 37:16
  I don't know where it was, but legitimately this might be the
• 37:23
  legitimate, most legitimate offseason higher in Virginia
• 37:28
  Tech history, history we have. And somebody said what about was
• 37:34
  it Phillip Nancy, right, Can't remember that.
• 37:36
  I always screw up the Dings. Y'all know I'm good at doing
• 37:39
  that? No.
• 37:45
  What was his name that he was, he became the defensive
• 37:48
  coordinator before Bud. Somebody throw it in there.
• 37:51
  I'm butchering his last name. I can like see it right now.
• 37:55
  But he was never defensive coordinator.
• 37:57
  He came as a defensive back coach and that happened.
• 38:00
  We've never had a hire like this big where you look at that
• 38:02
  resume and it's like even a head coach, even an offensive
• 38:05
  coordinator. He coached the Heisman Trophy
• 38:07
  winner. They won a bunch of games at
• 38:08
  Baylor. He's coached for NFL
• 38:10
  quarterbacks. Thank you, James, right there,
• 38:14
  Phillip Monson. But we've never had a hire like
• 38:19
  this. I give pride credit because some
• 38:21
  coaches wouldn't hire another head coach to come in.
• 38:25
  So again, it's the big changes. I think there's two things here
• 38:29
  and this is kind of pivot into what we're going to talk about
• 38:31
  next from a scheme standpoint, but looking at this hire and
• 38:35
  looking at the move Esefkus the so so two things here.
• 38:41
  These are both guys that other than some some passing, you
• 38:47
  know, pass crossing, these aren't his guys.
• 38:53
  There we go. Yeah, name butchered.
• 38:55
  Everybody drink. You're drinking game you.
• 38:57
  Know what if you listen to an episode like the state of the
• 39:01
  program, you will get drunk off that game.
• 39:03
  I don't know if we'll quite go long enough tonight for that,
• 39:07
  but if you get one of those two or three hour benders you you
• 39:09
  might you might get drunk off that.
• 39:12
  But you know, talking about skiing, these are two
• 39:14
  coordinators. Both of these coordinator hires
• 39:16
  are kind of outside of prize former sphere of influence,
• 39:21
  right. These these are not his guys.
• 39:23
  These are not buddies. These are not people that he's
• 39:26
  had kind of on his short list for years and years, right?
• 39:30
  These are guys that when he evaluated what he needs to do at
• 39:35
  Virginia Tech this offseason, he's he identified that there
• 39:40
  needs to be some shifts to be successful.
• 39:43
  And it looks like on defense, that's going to be more, you
• 39:47
  know, 3 high safety looks mixed up with a hybrid front.
• 39:54
  And, and when you look at offense, it's it's going to be
• 39:57
  more, I'm not going to say downfield passing, but less
• 40:01
  behind this, behind this line of scrimmage passing.
• 40:05
  When we look at the way we're attacking defenses between the
• 40:07
  tackles, it looks like, looks like he's leaning on us needing
• 40:11
  to get better between those tackles to be more consistent in
• 40:15
  the running game. So he, he, he's addressing that.
• 40:20
  And I think that's impressive because these are.
• 40:23
  They're not wholesale changes from a, from a scheme standpoint
• 40:28
  there there's a lot of overlapping elements in both of
• 40:32
  these schemes, but there are certainly, you know, big
• 40:35
  picture, these are different looking defenses and different
• 40:39
  looking offenses. And, and and that's, that's
• 40:42
  something that you got to give him some kudos to, to look at.
• 40:45
  He didn't just, you know, say we're, we're.
• 40:48
  Cooking. With the status quo.
• 40:50
  Just cookies. You didn't cookie cut these
• 40:53
  hires. Yeah.
• 40:54
  So he's he's evaluating everything and he said we we
• 40:57
  need to have a shift on both sides of the ball.
• 40:59
  I'm excited about this offensive scheme.
• 41:03
  I think it's going to be a good fit for the skilled personnel
• 41:08
  that we already have on on offense.
• 41:11
  I think it's going to help ease the offensive line into what
• 41:15
  they're looking at. When you think about more
• 41:18
  coaching offensive line, this is a similar philosophy to what
• 41:23
  we're looking at with, you know, if a Neil Brown came in.
• 41:26
  So you know, some of the terminology is going to be
• 41:27
  similar. There's there's going to be some
• 41:29
  overlapping elements there. So I think they vibed well as
• 41:32
  far as what what they each wanted to accomplish when
• 41:35
  thinking about, I'm going to call him Phil Monte, like the
• 41:38
  full Monte, but it's Phil. Phil Monte.
• 41:40
  Phil Monte and and our board, Matt Moore here, I think they
• 41:44
  vibe pretty well on what they were trying to do offensively
• 41:47
  and that's that's why this was a good fit.
• 41:50
  What did you like about the run scheme?
• 41:51
  Because you you said you you got a chance.
• 41:54
  We found that YouTube video and I think you went in back and
• 41:57
  watched a couple games. What does his and more scheme
• 42:01
  What? What is the meshes?
• 42:03
  What like? This is already in place.
• 42:05
  This is already in place. Guys will already know
• 42:07
  terminology. All right, so you know, when we
• 42:10
  look at, you know, Neil Brown's offense, it was an air raid, but
• 42:14
  it was a run first air raid. It was a balanced air raid.
• 42:17
  When we look at what Monty has ran, you know it's mostly veer
• 42:22
  and shoot. It's that art brows that Josh
• 42:25
  Hypel type offense. It's it's going to be heavy with
• 42:30
  it's more of a hybrid scheme. It's got air raid principles
• 42:33
  from a passing standpoint, but there's still those Smash Mouth
• 42:37
  spread principles that you're going to look at from a more
• 42:40
  traditional spread offense. So it's kind of a hybrid of
• 42:43
  that. And I think that's going to be
• 42:46
  good for a quarterback like Kyron drones, because I think
• 42:50
  that's going to help him develop his passing, especially his
• 42:53
  downfield passing. But you're also going to see him
• 42:57
  still be active in the run game, still be able to use his power,
• 43:00
  his athleticism in the run game. So I'm excited about both of
• 43:03
  those standpoints. And you know, looking at the run
• 43:05
  game specifically, what you see with this is a lot of kind of
• 43:10
  when it's when it's wide, when it's outside the tackles, you
• 43:13
  know, a lot of zone philosophies from a scheme perspective in the
• 43:17
  run game. But you know, between the
• 43:18
  tackles, you're going to see a lot of gap, you're going to see
• 43:21
  a lot of power, a lot of dart, some ISO.
• 43:23
  So there's going to be those elements when you're running
• 43:26
  between the tackles, but more of that zone concept when you're
• 43:29
  getting wide. So you're going to see that,
• 43:32
  that beer, that wide zone, stuff like that.
• 43:34
  You're still see that blocked up pretty similar to what we've
• 43:36
  seen in the past. Tally anything to add on top of
• 43:42
  that for maybe ask question? No, not really, man.
• 43:46
  I mean, we've been hitting on it a little bit.
• 43:48
  I think everybody, I mean, I just, I'm, I'm just excited for
• 43:51
  change. You know what I'm saying?
• 43:53
  I feel like you got to change on offense, change on defense.
• 43:58
  You're trying, you're trying put your best football.
• 44:01
  Let's go see what it is. Let's go see what happens.
• 44:04
  I am I am excited about the more I feel like in certain games,
• 44:09
  especially tempo would have helped us.
• 44:12
  So I'm excited about, you know, the tempo changing and you know,
• 44:17
  probably, I think he said in his, in his clip with the team
• 44:22
  that we would use tempo as a weapon.
• 44:25
  I think that was the word. So even at the lowest, like the
• 44:31
  slowest tempo that he had was faster than on tempo.
• 44:35
  I think his slowest tempo was at Auburn.
• 44:37
  I'm looking at it on 247. It was like 63.
• 44:43
  So plays per game. It's pretty much like 63.62.
• 44:48
  That was in 2023. Now hours over the time that
• 44:53
  Tyler Bone was here over the past three seasons was 62.5 S as
• 45:00
  and that was the lowest that his was like the next lowest for
• 45:05
  Montgomery was 69.83, you know, and the highest that it's ever
• 45:12
  been is 87. I ain't saying that we get
• 45:15
  there. But.
• 45:17
  I don't think we need to get there, but I, I think what,
• 45:19
  what, what tempo. Does is it?
• 45:21
  It, it lets you, it lets you shift gears, right?
• 45:24
  It lets you shift gears because I, you know, and, and let's
• 45:27
  think about this a little bit, think about some of the moments
• 45:29
  that were the most head scratching and hair pulling for
• 45:33
  us, right? Two-minute offense.
• 45:36
  Yeah. And, and the reason for that is
• 45:39
  that it's hard when you're not playing fast to get into that
• 45:43
  gear. And when you're conditioned to
• 45:46
  play fast because you can all, it's a lot easier to slow down
• 45:48
  than it is a speed up. Yep, right, it is.
• 45:52
  It is. And that's the thing he said in
• 45:54
  the interview with TSL today that caught my ear was we're not
• 45:58
  going to go fast all the time. He's like, we're going to go
• 46:00
  fast, we're going to go medium. And he said sometimes we're
• 46:04
  going to go slow. He said that's something he's
• 46:05
  learned over the last few years of coaching because he talked
• 46:08
  about you get in a track meet and your defense don't get time
• 46:13
  to breathe. Well, you ain't doing them no
• 46:15
  good. But he said at other times he's
• 46:19
  like it. It sounded like you wanted to
• 46:21
  say there's other times you're up 14 to three and they're on
• 46:26
  their heels, put the hammer down and get to 21 because guess
• 46:30
  what? That game playing they had, it's
• 46:32
  gone, they down 18 points now they can't dictate the terms to
• 46:37
  you because you've gotten it. So it seems like to me he's not
• 46:40
  going to be back to the old Baylor style.
• 46:41
  But I think like you said, Brian, like you mentioned,
• 46:44
  Tally, there's going to be times where he's going to look at Kyra
• 46:47
  and he's going to say we're just going to go, yeah, I'm going to
• 46:50
  give you the first play. You're going to go, we're going
• 46:52
  to call it, we're going to snap it in 12 seconds.
• 46:54
  And there's going to be times where we're just going to pound
• 46:57
  the ball because that inside run scheme you talked about, Brian,
• 47:01
  y'all can say what you want to say to me.
• 47:03
  It's been over the past about 10 plus years, maybe even more,
• 47:07
  that there are times where it's third and one, third and two.
• 47:11
  We can't run the ball inside to get them.
• 47:13
  And I, I, I don't know if it's for somebody like me, like White
• 47:18
  Teller was on this team. White Teller is one of the best
• 47:20
  interior guards. We didn't have the right scheme
• 47:23
  to push forward 2 yards. So hopefully it all comes to
• 47:27
  fruition. The other thing, and I think
• 47:30
  Doug Bowen put this out 247, I think I sent it to y'all, the
• 47:34
  amount of passes behind or at the line of scrimmage, his a
• 47:38
  significantly less than Tyler Bowen.
• 47:42
  His intermediate is significantly higher.
• 47:45
  Yep. Significantly higher.
• 47:47
  And what I liked about looking at the tape I did is if you
• 47:51
  notice just about every single time there's a pass play,
• 47:56
  there's either like a drag, a quick curl or a flat route.
• 48:00
  There is always an easy pass for the quarterback to make to gain
• 48:04
  positive yards. And I think there were times you
• 48:09
  can say the line of scroll, that's the line of scrimmage
• 48:11
  pass. Well, The thing is if you pass
• 48:13
  the fall 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage and somebody blows
• 48:16
  it up, guess what, it's second and 12.
• 48:19
  Now you were behind the sticks versus if you run a drag round
• 48:22
  and get 3 yards as second and seven, everything to play books
• 48:25
  there to get a decent third down.
• 48:29
  Anything else additional on the scheme?
• 48:31
  Brian Talley, I. Don't think so.
• 48:36
  I think we're good, man. We can move on.
• 48:37
  All right, somebody is asking. I'll find it here.
• 48:41
  Where'd it go about the recruiting ability?
• 48:45
  Well, right now we do not know the staff makeup.
• 48:50
  We know that there's change is coming, probably literally said
• 48:53
  that at the press conference. There's going to be some things
• 48:55
  shuffled. There's probably some more
• 48:57
  people getting hired. And to be honest, y'all, I don't
• 49:02
  think, I think to your point, what you said a little earlier,
• 49:05
  Brian, I think he's going to primarily coach the
• 49:07
  quarterbacks, but I think he's going to be in every room.
• 49:10
  And I think that is the that is the thing pride wants now.
• 49:14
  He wins his coordinators. Listen, you're not going to be
• 49:17
  travelling on the week of games. You're going to sit here and get
• 49:20
  the game plan ready. That is your job.
• 49:25
  Yeah. And on that question, when
• 49:27
  somebody asked, they said what about his recruiting ability?
• 49:30
  I think they're just asking like, do we think he's a good
• 49:33
  recruiter? Who knows, man.
• 49:35
  I mean, realistically, I don't think it really matters.
• 49:37
  I think that as far as in this position, I think that the
• 49:42
  production is going to be the recruiting tool that you would
• 49:44
  need. Like you got to go out and show
• 49:47
  somebody what the offense looks like.
• 49:49
  I mean, you're in a damn good position with Kyron Jones as
• 49:52
  your quarterback, you know, and then you bring in some great
• 49:55
  skill players as well. If you go out and you make this
• 49:58
  offense look halfway decent, you will turn some heads and make
• 50:02
  some people want to come. We we've been getting good
• 50:03
  players, even if when we had bad offenses or bad teams.
• 50:07
  So if you go out and you produce and you win, you know, I think
• 50:13
  that that's the bigger recruiting tool than just him
• 50:17
  being a recruiter. You know, even like when Bud,
• 50:21
  you know, when Bud was defensive coordinator, he wasn't a huge
• 50:24
  recruiter. Like when people think about
• 50:26
  Bud, if you if you know anything about him, he wasn't a huge
• 50:29
  recruiter. So when he went and got Dax
• 50:32
  because like that was his guy, like it was a big deal for him
• 50:36
  to put that much time in recruit cause Bud just didn't do that
• 50:39
  so. He didn't.
• 50:40
  He was a he was a good closer, but he didn't get the road very
• 50:42
  he didn't. Hit the he didn't hit the road
• 50:44
  that much. So I'm not saying like, I just
• 50:46
  don't think that that plays as big of a deal as like.
• 50:51
  Well, hold on Cal positions, you want to know the recruiting
• 50:54
  stats. If he goes out here and Kyron
• 50:56
  throws for 3000A, Green goes for 1000, Donovan Green goes for
• 51:00
  1000, and the two guys we brought in through the portal
• 51:04
  rush for 1000, there's going to be damn people kicking down your
• 51:07
  door when they come here like. Green Green sounds like a law
• 51:10
  firm man. We going we going to have some
• 51:11
  yeah, we going to have some law firm.
• 51:14
  We can put up some law firm numbers.
• 51:15
  So I, I was looking at his 247 recruiting history.
• 51:18
  So he pulled a four-star like high bid folk, 4 star
• 51:23
  quarterback Walker White while he was at Auburn got pulled a
• 51:28
  four-star wide receiver, Baylor 4 star wide receiver while he
• 51:31
  was at at Tulsa. So he was the primary on a on a
• 51:35
  wide receiver while he was the head coach, which you don't
• 51:38
  really see that, but you know, it is what it is.
• 51:42
  He he pulled a. Well, you say he was at Tulsa.
• 51:45
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he was calling his
• 51:47
  own plays at Tulsa, too. So yeah, exactly had something
• 51:50
  to do with it. Yeah, so I mean, he he pulled a
• 51:52
  four-star wide receiver primary, you know, recruiter on a, on a
• 51:58
  wide receiver while he was the head coach and obviously
• 52:00
  recruited Bryce Petty, who was a mid to low three star and, you
• 52:06
  know, turned him into a hell of a quarterback.
• 52:09
  So. Two time back, player of the
• 52:11
  year got drafted all around the league a few years.
• 52:14
  So yeah, in in the recruiting point.
• 52:17
  It's you're to a point now, and I know we don't we're going to
• 52:21
  talk about this, but like, high school recruiting's almost
• 52:24
  become the secondary. Yeah.
• 52:26
  It is like, like, like I keep thinking about the Michigan
• 52:30
  situation. They're going to pay that kid
• 52:32
  $10 million. What if that kid is ass?
• 52:36
  Like, like seriously, that's what.
• 52:38
  Eventually where it's come to. But but what's eventually going
• 52:41
  to happen, again, rich people don't like everybody's like
• 52:45
  Miami's going to kill the NIL game.
• 52:48
  And then they sucked and that guy pulled that 10 million
• 52:50
  backs, like, no, no, no, you don't get my money.
• 52:56
  But just a few other things talk about.
• 53:01
  We do have a new senior director of player personnel trade near.
• 53:06
  He was effectively coming over from West Virginia in the same
• 53:09
  role, also being a recruiting assistant from the same role.
• 53:12
  That's Mike Villagrano's old role who left a little while
• 53:15
  ago. So that's been done.
• 53:17
  We still have director of high school relations, a director of
• 53:21
  recruiting, and obviously we got to know about the quarterback
• 53:26
  coach. We got to know what Sam going to
• 53:29
  do. So we're probably going to be
• 53:31
  back here a week from tonight because my feeling is probably
• 53:35
  Monday and next week everything's probably going to
• 53:38
  get laid out. Well, I think now that you've
• 53:40
  got your, your coordinators in place there, there's been
• 53:43
  conversations with them and, and, and Coach Pry about how
• 53:47
  they want that side of the ball to look from a structure
• 53:50
  standpoint, whether any additional hires are going to be
• 53:52
  brought in, whether in any additional shuffling is
• 53:56
  happening. It sounds like there's
• 53:57
  definitely still some reshuffling that's being
• 53:59
  discussed. So at minimum, we're going to
• 54:02
  see guys at least having an, a different official position next
• 54:07
  to their name come come spring ball.
• 54:11
  You know, the question is going to be how much shuffling is
• 54:13
  still done on offense. We know that there's at least
• 54:15
  going to be a little bit on defense though.
• 54:16
  Yep. 100% all right as y'all know we are brought to you by
• 54:20
  the Counts Family Pharmacy at three O 1 S Main St. in black.
• 54:25
  What you doing man? He heard Miami.
• 54:28
  He had a child. Don't see the bat signal?
• 54:32
  Like what the hell? Miami All right, let's talk
• 54:36
  about just a few more things for wrap up tonight since we hadn't
• 54:39
  been here for a few weeks. Literally, we talked about going
• 54:42
  on with Tyler Bowen let go, but it was just like, well, it's
• 54:47
  going to be like 10 minutes. Tally's going to rant.
• 54:49
  We're going to say a few things and that's it.
• 54:51
  He don't need to talk about it. He's gone.
• 54:53
  But a few things did break at at a higher level that we got to
• 54:58
  hit tonight. And the first big one is ESPN
• 55:02
  decides to extend the ACC contract that goes to 2036.
• 55:06
  I'm going to stop here for a second and say a few things.
• 55:09
  2036, everybody's currently on this screen. 2036 will be 50
• 55:15
  years old. First of all, that's asininely
• 55:20
  long. We're going to be 50.
• 55:23
  We're all in our early 40s right now.
• 55:26
  That's a stupid ass long contract.
• 55:29
  So there's that. Now, a couple other things that
• 55:33
  kind of hit out here is they're saying Florida State, Clemson,
• 55:36
  Miami are going to play. Notre Dame won't.
• 55:38
  Fuck them, I don't care. Fuck my fucks.
• 55:43
  What the fucks all four of them? What the game more than anybody,
• 55:48
  You know what the ACC should have held their feet to the fire
• 55:51
  during COVID when they let them slide in and use the ACC to play
• 55:56
  in those games and play in the conference championship.
• 55:58
  Whatever it was, they should have held their feet to the fire
• 56:01
  and said either yes or no. What are you going to do?
• 56:03
  You ain't playing nobody this. Year, they just been just riding
• 56:07
  that wave. Let them do what they want to
• 56:09
  do. I know they got all kind of
• 56:11
  fucking Catholic money or whatever they got, but I don't
• 56:15
  know man, pick a conference or get on.
• 56:18
  Yeah. Kind of them hanging around.
• 56:22
  What you know, when you look at it, I, I think the, the problem
• 56:26
  that I have with it and, and new kings going to love this.
• 56:29
  But like my problem with the way they're structuring this is kind
• 56:33
  of it feels like they're, they're just appeasing the FS
• 56:38
  U's, the Clemson's and the Miami's for the sake of doing it
• 56:41
  without looking at the bigger picture.
• 56:46
  It's like, OK, so you got you got a couple, you got a couple
• 56:48
  headaches with FSU. You know, Clemson kind of jumped
• 56:51
  in on that. You know, when you look at that,
• 56:55
  the media money, I mean, one of those three and even in the top
• 56:59
  five in terms of media for the conference.
• 57:02
  So it's it's kind of wild that we're we're doing this pick
• 57:05
  winners and losers thing as part of this this process instead of
• 57:10
  just saying, hey, if if you go out there and win football
• 57:12
  games, you get a bigger piece of the pie.
• 57:14
  Right. Yeah, the other thing about that
• 57:18
  too, Bron, I'm going to follow a couple things here.
• 57:24
  First of all, Clemson and FSU are asking for less granted
• 57:27
  right penalties in 2031. If you are asking what's the
• 57:30
  significance of 20312031, every conference but the ACC, because
• 57:36
  John Swofford is a dipshit, is going to market.
• 57:41
  Now, we don't know what that's going to look like because right
• 57:43
  now it's all high and tidy. But we've seen it like we've
• 57:47
  seen sports in the past because remember the NBA used to be
• 57:51
  bigger ratings in football back in the day and then it fell off
• 57:56
  same Major League Baseball. So right now they're riding
• 57:59
  high. We don't know what's going to
• 58:00
  happen in 2031. So there's that.
• 58:05
  The other piece is you talked about those initiatives, Brian.
• 58:09
  Well, let's talk about Robbie's note real quick.
• 58:11
  Here. Because from a meteorite
• 58:13
  standpoint, if we're looking at the P2.
• 58:19
  Yeah. Virginia teams have a little bit
• 58:23
  more of a market that isn't already available in like the
• 58:26
  SEC than some of these schools. Yeah.
• 58:30
  So in in that. Markets in these area in these
• 58:33
  states. So there there's not that much
• 58:36
  inherent inherent benefit from a media rights down new kings
• 58:39
  pointing out bigger picture ACC is dead here and I'm throw that
• 58:42
  one up here. Yeah.
• 58:50
  Well, that's the whole thing that we're talking about with
• 58:52
  the the initiatives because it's not going to be a split pot like
• 58:56
  it is right now for the SEC in the Big 10.
• 58:59
  That if Clemson in Miami and Florida State are getting more
• 59:04
  of the pie, then they're probably not going to be $20
• 59:06
  million behind. They're going to be like 5 to
• 59:09
  $10 million around. You can survive on that.
• 59:12
  Yeah. It's, it's just.
• 59:13
  It's just. So funny as like, you know, at
• 59:14
  some point, like why are we basing it on names though?
• 59:18
  Like to Robbie's point, I mean, yeah, these three teams are are
• 59:23
  likely to join some sort of P4 conference just because of their
• 59:27
  history and and things like that.
• 59:29
  But if the ACC folds, at least half that conference is is going
• 59:35
  to be in one of the P4P2 conferences or the other.
• 59:40
  At the end of the day, that's what's happening.
• 59:42
  Four to six teams are going to be in the SEC or Big 10 when the
• 59:46
  ACC folds. Yeah, because this is this is
• 59:50
  put what bag put up there because I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
• 59:52
  I'm gonna counter on this because if you start saying,
• 59:56
  because I love what Josh Pate said, I don't just I don't agree
• 59:58
  with everything he says. I think he's got some good
• 1:00:01
  thoughts. I think he's got some dumb
• 1:00:02
  thoughts. But he says eventually you don't
• 1:00:04
  think the SEC and the Big 10 big schools are going to look over
• 1:00:07
  there and say to that commissioner, I'm Alabama,
• 1:00:10
  motherfucker, I'm getting $78,000,000 a year and freaking
• 1:00:15
  Vanderbilt's getting $78,000,000 a year.
• 1:00:17
  Screw you. You're going to start paying me.
• 1:00:19
  And when that happens? That's when potentially this
• 1:00:24
  could happen right here. Football gets too big for the
• 1:00:27
  conferences. Somebody comes in and says you
• 1:00:29
  know what, there ain't no conferences no more.
• 1:00:34
  We're going to put all the money into a pot and y'all going to be
• 1:00:37
  separate from your conferences now Greg Sankey?
• 1:00:41
  And what is it petty guy up in Big 10 country?
• 1:00:45
  They going to fight tooth and nail to say no, no we need
• 1:00:47
  conferences. I think, I think that's probably
• 1:00:49
  another drink for the listeners out.
• 1:00:51
  There oh whatever trying to get you all fucked up tonight, but
• 1:00:56
  but like that happens there will be no it's just going to be here
• 1:01:02
  is P4 college football. He is probably 60 teams in a
• 1:01:09
  play in there. Each little region, it's going
• 1:01:11
  to be the NFL. Here's the northeast region,
• 1:01:14
  here's the Mid-Atlantic region, here's the South Atlantic,
• 1:01:17
  here's the Deep South, here's the Ohio Valley, here's this,
• 1:01:20
  here's this. And it'll be like nine of them.
• 1:01:24
  So, but you can't do anything. But you got to talk about it
• 1:01:30
  because your team's sitting here and you know you're slowly going
• 1:01:34
  to fall behind. You're still third in the money,
• 1:01:37
  right? You're still third in the money,
• 1:01:41
  but you know, you're about $20 million off, so.
• 1:01:45
  We'll. See what happened, but that kind
• 1:01:47
  of leads to the thing Brian, you kind of got interested in was
• 1:01:50
  the Ross Dellinger stuff, so. Yeah.
• 1:01:55
  I mean, kind of looking at some highlights of that.
• 1:01:58
  You know, you had the house settlement, you know, it was
• 1:02:00
  reported on by Ross Dellinger, you know, a couple months back.
• 1:02:03
  We didn't really have a chance to cover it the last time, the
• 1:02:06
  last couple times we've been on here, yeah, we've really been
• 1:02:10
  kind of focused on talking about the coordinators.
• 1:02:15
  Yeah. So you know, there's there's a
• 1:02:18
  revenue, revenue sharing piece of this.
• 1:02:20
  You know, part of the schools, any of the schools that opt into
• 1:02:23
  the settlement will share a portion of their revenue with
• 1:02:26
  their athletes. There's going to be back pay.
• 1:02:29
  So 2.77 billion will be distributed over the next decade
• 1:02:33
  to athletes who who paid, who played from 2016 to 2024.
• 1:02:38
  So essentially, you know, kind of going back in that in that
• 1:02:42
  that time frame there, you know, with the NIL agreements,
• 1:02:46
  athletes will sign agreements that will guarantee compensation
• 1:02:49
  directly from the school. So that's a difference than what
• 1:02:53
  we've been kind of dealing with before with a lot of the, you
• 1:02:56
  know, triumphs of the world kind of negotiating inclusively but
• 1:03:02
  separately from the school. This is kind of bringing
• 1:03:06
  everything under the under the umbrella, making things a little
• 1:03:11
  bit more above board. So kind of taking it at a high
• 1:03:15
  level it it's expected to shift payments to athletes from the
• 1:03:18
  boosters to the schools themselves.
• 1:03:21
  It's expected to, you know, change how the athletes are
• 1:03:24
  going to be paid and it's really going to be a little bit closer
• 1:03:30
  to an NFL model in terms of athlete compensation.
• 1:03:34
  The difference being is that you're not going to see you
• 1:03:38
  don't have a cap and you don't have multi year agreements,
• 1:03:41
  right? It's still going to be a year by
• 1:03:42
  year, case by case situation that we kind of been dealing
• 1:03:46
  with, you know, since NIL has been instituted.
• 1:03:49
  But you're at least going to have things that are publicly
• 1:03:54
  available in terms of what these agreements are and how they're
• 1:03:58
  handled. And obviously it's going to be a
• 1:04:01
  a big shift in what the collectives are doing, being
• 1:04:06
  more of a fundraising arm or a separate fundraising arm outside
• 1:04:11
  of the the typical booster operations versus being the sole
• 1:04:15
  kind of arbiter and and distributor of the funds to the
• 1:04:18
  athletes. Very well spoke Brown on that
• 1:04:24
  because that is some high level, very technical stuff going on.
• 1:04:28
  The only question I have is you have to opt in.
• 1:04:32
  I think it's by like July to pay that.
• 1:04:36
  But that that guarantees the school's going to pay you.
• 1:04:39
  Like what do you do? I mean, there's schools all over
• 1:04:42
  the country, but if you're some kid at some big name school and
• 1:04:45
  they don't opt in because there's already those, we've
• 1:04:48
  seen it out there. Yeah.
• 1:04:50
  I was promised $300,000 and I got 50 and I never saw anything
• 1:04:54
  else, but I played this year. Did you sign a contract?
• 1:04:57
  No, sorry. You ain't getting that $250,000,
• 1:05:02
  kids. Do you think that write it now,
• 1:05:07
  Like, how does that sweat kids? Because if you go to schools,
• 1:05:12
  like, yeah, we're not opting in, We're still going to pay you.
• 1:05:18
  Like, what do you say? Like, what are you supposed to
• 1:05:20
  say to those kids? I mean, to me, it's you
• 1:05:22
  negative. Recruit the shit out of it.
• 1:05:24
  Yeah, and I'm, you know, and you got the whole Jaden Rashada
• 1:05:27
  situation that has played out over the course of.
• 1:05:31
  Wait a second, is that the Wisconsin guy?
• 1:05:34
  Or the quarterback that originally committed to Florida.
• 1:05:37
  Oh, oh, Oh, yeah, yeah, it's, it's crazy.
• 1:05:42
  Because oh, no, sorry. Miami New King.
• 1:05:44
  Miami. Miami.
• 1:05:46
  Left Miami, went up to Florida, wound up at Arizona State.
• 1:05:50
  Yeah, Arizona State and that and now at Georgia.
• 1:05:53
  And the issue was nobody paid him.
• 1:05:56
  We'll give you $7,000,000. No, we ain't.
• 1:05:58
  We're going to get you to sign. We ain't giving you shit.
• 1:06:02
  But again, what the whole thing is, it's moving more and more
• 1:06:06
  like somebody put on there like there's going to be salary caps,
• 1:06:09
  you know, and things like that. Payments listed as public.
• 1:06:13
  Someone else put that bag, put that up there.
• 1:06:15
  It's just, you can help me. They were just, they were
• 1:06:21
  getting shoe boxes full of money is what they were getting.
• 1:06:23
  That's how you paid kids back then.
• 1:06:25
  Just give them a shoe box full of money.
• 1:06:26
  But it's going to be interesting to see how this actually falls
• 1:06:30
  out because the one thing going forward is could there be a cap?
• 1:06:35
  Could there be a cap? Somebody put it on there like
• 1:06:41
  effectively like 18 million or 20 million.
• 1:06:43
  That's it. That's what you can pay your
• 1:06:45
  kids. You can't pay them no more, no
• 1:06:47
  less, so be very smart. All the good old days, right
• 1:06:53
  Josh? The good old golden Trans Am
• 1:06:57
  baby, it's great. All right.
• 1:07:01
  One last piece I wanted to hit. Just college football wise, we
• 1:07:05
  just went to 12 teams and now there's more discussion of
• 1:07:09
  expansion. If y'all have not heard,
• 1:07:12
  potentially going by 2026. So 2 years, 14 to 16 teams now.
• 1:07:19
  Right now SEC and Big 10 are trying to basically say they
• 1:07:25
  deserve four teams each. ACC Big 12 would get 2.
• 1:07:32
  Any feelings on that? I don't, I don't think you
• 1:07:35
  should ever lock in a number of schools outside of a single
• 1:07:39
  automatic bid per conference. Right I.
• 1:07:43
  Agree and that that applies. ACCSEC big big 10, whoever the
• 1:07:48
  fuck it is, you should not be booking multiple automatic bids.
• 1:07:53
  The number of team Like look at OK look at the number of teams
• 1:07:57
  we have in the NCAA tournament in March Madness and each team
• 1:08:02
  is still going to get one fucking guaranteed spot.
• 1:08:06
  So if you got a field of 64 and it's only one, why the fuck are
• 1:08:11
  you going to give 4 when the when the field is 14 or 16?
• 1:08:15
  It doesn't make any damn sense. Yeah, I agree.
• 1:08:21
  It it, it doesn't make sense, but I mean, the way it is it,
• 1:08:24
  it's the Wild West. There is nobody controlling
• 1:08:27
  this. It's literally conferences,
• 1:08:28
  getting a room. This is what we going to do.
• 1:08:30
  This is what we going to do. And the bad thing is the, the,
• 1:08:33
  the ACC, and I mean even the Big 12, I mean, they, they have
• 1:08:40
  essentially ceded the leverage over the last decade plus to the
• 1:08:47
  SEC in the Big 10, where I don't think they have enough leverage
• 1:08:52
  to say no for fear that they would get stuck with an even
• 1:08:57
  worse situation. Like they don't have a leverage
• 1:08:59
  to like big Dick their way into the room.
• 1:09:01
  No, they don't. They don't.
• 1:09:05
  So now with that being said, there is now discussions like
• 1:09:11
  all the SEC and the Big 10 are going to play every year where
• 1:09:13
  they can't do that because they don't have even teams.
• 1:09:16
  The SEC has 16, the Big 10 has 18.
• 1:09:19
  But let me ask you all this. I did the math.
• 1:09:23
  If you count Notre Dame, you have any Power Four teams?
• 1:09:25
  There are. We got. 68 It's an even number.
• 1:09:30
  Why can't y'all just figure out just let the power four teams
• 1:09:33
  all play each other go to non conference games, go to non
• 1:09:38
  conference games and you play one from each of the other
• 1:09:40
  conferences. It would help get rivalries back
• 1:09:43
  renewed. It would it would help for me
• 1:09:48
  bring eyes because what you can do is basically say where'd you
• 1:09:51
  finish last year we were second in the conference.
• 1:09:53
  All right, you going to play somebody in the top five of the
• 1:09:56
  SEC in the Big 10 or the SEC in the Big 12?
• 1:09:59
  You're going to play three of the top teams.
• 1:10:01
  Well, we sucked last year. Where you going to play the
• 1:10:03
  bottom? Curtis doesn't make sense.
• 1:10:07
  Stop trying to make too much sense here man.
• 1:10:09
  Make me commissioner. I've had shit happy as hell
• 1:10:12
  because I'd make sure every year, every year there were the
• 1:10:16
  big speed one out of conference game where Tally could drive
• 1:10:19
  less than 4 hours to go see the Hokies play.
• 1:10:21
  You know, I'm going to say the most low hanging fruit thing
• 1:10:23
  that you can right now. But what, what what is being
• 1:10:27
  negotiated right now? What's been negotiated, what
• 1:10:30
  feels like for the last, you know, decade plus is not really
• 1:10:36
  what's best for the game or for the fans.
• 1:10:39
  This is what's best for the money.
• 1:10:43
  That's true. And what's best for the money,
• 1:10:47
  unfortunately, is for SEC and Big 10 teams in the fucking
• 1:10:52
  playoff. That's that.
• 1:10:56
  That's what it is. So they don't really give a shit
• 1:11:00
  about whether this thing has any sort of parity.
• 1:11:04
  They don't care about, they don't care about long term
• 1:11:07
  either. They don't care about the long
• 1:11:08
  term money. They care about what's rolling
• 1:11:10
  in right now and what's rolling in right now.
• 1:11:12
  Is that all right? So you got 5-4 or five teams in
• 1:11:18
  the SEC that draw more eyes than in the entirety of the Big 12
• 1:11:23
  Conference or most of the ACC, right?
• 1:11:27
  So they want to try to get those teams in at all cost.
• 1:11:31
  And they looked at the Big 12 and they looked in the ACC.
• 1:11:34
  And they say probably best case scenario in whether this is
• 1:11:38
  fair, right or wrong, whatever. The AC CS probably only going to
• 1:11:42
  have two teams every year that can draw eyes like that, that
• 1:11:45
  can draw eyes in that similar ballpark.
• 1:11:48
  Big 12, same damn thing. So they like, we'll give you
• 1:11:53
  those bones because we'll take that money, but we're not going
• 1:11:55
  to give you any more because this ain't what it's about.
• 1:12:00
  Tally what you got. I think it's all stupid.
• 1:12:04
  I think it's all about the have and have nots.
• 1:12:08
  But like you said earlier, man, it's just having putting a
• 1:12:14
  number on it just sounds stupid to me.
• 1:12:16
  Are we going to get it 4 because it may not be four teams may not
• 1:12:19
  be deserving. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:12:21
  If you. Have a shit year, You're going
• 1:12:24
  to put four in there. That's what I.
• 1:12:25
  Put four in there anyway. Yeah, I.
• 1:12:27
  Don't think. About that everybody was and we
• 1:12:30
  we talked about it plenty, but everybody was talking about this
• 1:12:32
  year like how the games weren't good and this and that.
• 1:12:37
  I was like whatever man, that's just what y'all want.
• 1:12:40
  Everybody has a way that they're trying to play.
• 1:12:42
  Everybody wants to play something that's going, you
• 1:12:46
  know, make them feel good about something, whether it's their
• 1:12:49
  team or their conference or something like that.
• 1:12:52
  But I mean, the games have always been the games, you know,
• 1:12:56
  like it, like we said, you go look at the championship games,
• 1:12:59
  most of the time it's been a blowout as of lately or a very
• 1:13:03
  lopsided game. Even though this year wasn't a
• 1:13:05
  blowout, it was a lopsided game, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:09
  So that that just most of the time in college football, there
• 1:13:13
  is one team that's just better than most teams in that year.
• 1:13:17
  They may screw up and lose 1 game, maybe even two games, but
• 1:13:21
  most of the time there's a team that's just, they get it going
• 1:13:25
  at the right time and they just, they're going to beat whoever
• 1:13:27
  you put in front of them. So that's not going to change.
• 1:13:31
  No matter how many, how many ACCSCC, whatever schools you try
• 1:13:35
  to put in, sometimes you're just not going to win.
• 1:13:38
  Yeah, but to me it's just a number like we need, we have to
• 1:13:41
  have four teams and it's like, what if you are just a pile of
• 1:13:44
  shit conference and you put four teams in that year?
• 1:13:47
  It's a money grab, like. They just, they just want the
• 1:13:50
  money, that's all the. Money, it's got to be relative
• 1:13:52
  too, because I mean, you know, you can say 4, but there's going
• 1:13:57
  to be 4 good teams in the SEC every year, right?
• 1:14:01
  It's just good teams. Not not saying deserving teams
• 1:14:04
  relative to the other conference, but there's going to
• 1:14:05
  be 4 good teams in the SEC every year.
• 1:14:08
  But when you got to look at it relative to the rest of the
• 1:14:11
  competition, that's why that exists.
• 1:14:14
  You can't just say flat out will you get four teams in regardless
• 1:14:16
  because you know you're bringing the most money and you've got
• 1:14:20
  the best players. Like at some point we got to
• 1:14:23
  say, OK, I get that this is about putting the best teams in
• 1:14:27
  the playoff, but it's about putting the best teams that earn
• 1:14:30
  the spot into the playoff, not just putting teams in.
• 1:14:34
  Because they still matter. Like we're not, we're not
• 1:14:36
  simming a a dynasty on fucking NCAA here.
• 1:14:40
  Like at some point you, you got to play the fucking games.
• 1:14:44
  Well, the, the, what's going, this is what's going to happen
• 1:14:46
  and this is what's going to snap.
• 1:14:47
  It is. There's going to be some year
• 1:14:50
  there's going to be some SEC team that plays three good out
• 1:14:53
  of conference, goes one and two and out of conference and wins
• 1:14:56
  like 6 and one inside and they're going to be 8 and four.
• 1:14:59
  Like they won the SEC and you're like that motherfucker won eight
• 1:15:03
  games like they. Makes a good point here too.
• 1:15:07
  The games were good. They should have been spaced out
• 1:15:09
  better. And the whole thing is people
• 1:15:12
  were like, well, you know, some of those games were blowouts.
• 1:15:14
  And it's just like, that's football.
• 1:15:17
  That's just football. The NFL has charity.
• 1:15:20
  Well, well, let's look at the NFL this year.
• 1:15:22
  That week one wild card had a bunch of dog shit games, except
• 1:15:27
  Washington and Tampa Bay. They were awful.
• 1:15:31
  They were awful to watch. Even the second weekend wasn't
• 1:15:34
  that interesting. And that's a league with parity
• 1:15:36
  that drafts, that chooses their own players.
• 1:15:38
  They can cut anybody at any time.
• 1:15:40
  Yep. And, and also, I mean, you had a
• 1:15:43
  blowout in the Super Bowl. And I think regardless of what
• 1:15:46
  you feel about Kansas City and the referees, nobody thought
• 1:15:49
  that Kansas City didn't fucking belong in that game.
• 1:15:52
  And they got smashed. So that's why you play the
• 1:15:57
  games. And that's why these everybody
• 1:15:58
  that says, well, these teams just don't have a shot.
• 1:16:02
  They don't have a shot. No, do not have a shot is to not
• 1:16:05
  get a chance to play a game. That's the day you take shots
• 1:16:08
  off the table because nobody gave Arizona State a chance
• 1:16:12
  against Texas. That game was supposed to be,
• 1:16:13
  what was it, 11 1/2 point line? That game was supposed to be a
• 1:16:16
  blowout. That's the most entertaining
• 1:16:18
  game all year. But it but but reality.
• 1:16:23
  We should have had Ole Miss in there, right?
• 1:16:25
  We should have had that. They really they were a better
• 1:16:27
  team than Arizona State this year.
• 1:16:29
  Right. Yeah, we we said old Miss or
• 1:16:31
  Alabama should have been in there.
• 1:16:33
  Really. No.
• 1:16:34
  No, no. So you know.
• 1:16:37
  And the only thing I like that has come out of this is that I
• 1:16:40
  agree that re racking the seating would have helped what
• 1:16:44
  we dealt with significantly significantly.
• 1:16:50
  And the automatic, the automatic bid shouldn't necessarily
• 1:16:54
  guarantee you that buy. Yeah.
• 1:16:57
  Now I don't necessarily, you know, I, I think if you win a
• 1:17:00
  conference, you know, let's have some discussions about if you're
• 1:17:04
  not in the top four, that you get to automatically host that
• 1:17:07
  game, right? That that could be a
• 1:17:08
  conversation that you have so you don't end up with your
• 1:17:11
  conference champion potentially hosting a team from their own
• 1:17:16
  conference that they just beat on a neutral site, right.
• 1:17:21
  So that so that's a fucked up scenario.
• 1:17:23
  That's a fucked up scenario, But a a better scenario is that you
• 1:17:25
  still rank them. You give the buys to who the
• 1:17:29
  buys belong to. After that, if they're still
• 1:17:31
  conference champions that didn't get that by you, at least give
• 1:17:35
  them that that five to to 8 slot.
• 1:17:38
  Well, I think what's the, the, the big thing that might come
• 1:17:41
  out of this whole rear act of the playoff is a conference.
• 1:17:47
  I think conference championship weekend is probably going to go
• 1:17:50
  away. It's going to probably go away.
• 1:17:55
  Robbie, we get it. We got it, Robbie.
• 1:17:58
  Yeah, Oregon did say please receive.
• 1:18:00
  But the conference champion, because the discussions is if
• 1:18:03
  they do what they want to do, which I think it's going to come
• 1:18:06
  to fruition. And what you're going to have
• 1:18:09
  basically is like for the SEC in the Big 10, their top two teams
• 1:18:14
  are in the playoff and they're going to basically say 4-5 and
• 1:18:17
  six. You're going to play each other.
• 1:18:19
  The ACC, your top teams in the playoff, your two and three
• 1:18:23
  teams are going to play to see who gets in.
• 1:18:25
  Now that would probably make conference championship or
• 1:18:28
  Thanksgiving weekend super intriguing.
• 1:18:32
  But to me, you want to do anything, guarantee the the four
• 1:18:36
  big conferences, 2 spots each conference, regular season
• 1:18:40
  champion in play in games, and then figure out the rest.
• 1:18:45
  Because I'm not against, because the one thing I like is good
• 1:18:47
  games. I think I think this season also
• 1:18:50
  made the case against conference championship games.
• 1:18:54
  Yeah, in general, just screwed. Screwed Oregon, benefited Penn
• 1:18:59
  State, who else in a way. Well, Carson Beck got hurt so
• 1:19:06
  didn't really screw him. Although Texas got the easier
• 1:19:11
  match up on New Year's Day, technically.
• 1:19:15
  Yeah. So it's all sorts of wild stuff.
• 1:19:18
  And to me, I think what they're about to do, and this is my
• 1:19:23
  opinion, it's an Invitational. It's not a playoff format
• 1:19:27
  anymore because you are literally saying, oh, you,
• 1:19:29
  you're guaranteed. You're guaranteed in playoffs.
• 1:19:32
  There are no guarantees. There aren't tally.
• 1:19:36
  Your son played in the basketball playoffs, y'all.
• 1:19:40
  Y'all weren't guaranteed a spot where y'all's conference wasn't
• 1:19:43
  guaranteed a spot in there. No, y'all had a play I got.
• 1:19:47
  To go play man, got to play the game.
• 1:19:51
  And, and, and eventually if you ask me what the demise of
• 1:19:54
  college football or the casual fan will be, it's effectively
• 1:19:58
  people are going to start looking at it and it's not
• 1:20:01
  anybody on this call right here. We like college football.
• 1:20:03
  We have our team, we watch other games as well.
• 1:20:07
  But the casual fan who won't watch anybody but their team,
• 1:20:11
  who will turn the Saturday night game on and watch it or to 4:30
• 1:20:15
  to 3:30, if you lose them with this dumb shit, that's when the
• 1:20:20
  bottom falls out. And it's going to be everybody's
• 1:20:23
  going to be begging for money, everybody.
• 1:20:26
  So yeah, Kyle, you've been looking.
• 1:20:29
  Hardest computer there. What?
• 1:20:30
  What is it the Lakers on? Yeah, the Lakers is on, but I
• 1:20:33
  thought I just been looking at different stats and all types of
• 1:20:37
  stuff. Like the the 247 thing really
• 1:20:39
  intrigued me about Montgomery. I didn't pay attention to it
• 1:20:43
  until just now. Just I mean, they they got a lot
• 1:20:46
  of stuff in there. I got a deep dive and look at
• 1:20:48
  what they were just talking about.
• 1:20:50
  I think it's called the seven. I think it's like labeled the
• 1:20:53
  seven differences of from Bowen to Montgomery.
• 1:20:58
  I've just been paying attention to that.
• 1:21:01
  It's a lot of stats in there. That's like, OK, I'm interested,
• 1:21:05
  man. I'm interested just to see
• 1:21:06
  what's going to happen and to see what what's route we're
• 1:21:10
  going to go and then when somebody's going to tell pry,
• 1:21:13
  hey man, what you doing is fucking dumb.
• 1:21:15
  Let's do something different. There you go.
• 1:21:17
  Well, again, I, I, I've said this three or four times, Tally.
• 1:21:21
  He's already decided to do that himself because it takes stones
• 1:21:26
  to fire people. It also takes stones because he
• 1:21:29
  literally brought in someone with a hell of a lot more
• 1:21:32
  experience and a lot of times that don't happen.
• 1:21:36
  So yeah, But I can't wait till you.
• 1:21:39
  It's going to be about what time is it right now, 10:00, Give me
• 1:21:43
  12 hours. Tally's going to be sending us
• 1:21:46
  all these stuff. He's looking up and found and
• 1:21:48
  said look at this, look at this. Yeah.
• 1:21:50
  And I love it because that's the way it's supposed to be.
• 1:21:53
  All right. Well, did anything break like we
• 1:21:55
  we hadn't heard like we are hiring a coordinator or a
• 1:21:58
  different coach or anything, have we?
• 1:22:00
  No, we're not hiring 1/3 coordinator, so right.
• 1:22:03
  Are we making somebody just a special teams only coordinator?
• 1:22:07
  That's the hope, right? We can only, we can only hope
• 1:22:10
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• 1:22:11
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