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The Writing Deal: It's EOFY! Natasha, Tina & Madeleine discuss the business of being an author · The Book Deal

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  Speaker: The Book Deal Podcast Where you will discover the inspiring stories behind your favorite books.
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  Speaker 2: We interview seasoned and debut authors, as well as publishing industry professionals, to bring you the best tips and advice on how to get that elusive book deal.
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  Speaker 3: So no matter what stage of writing you're at, we've got you covered.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tina Strachan.
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  Speaker: I'm Madeleine Cleary.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Natasha Rai.
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  Speaker 3: And join us as we pull back the curtain of published authors
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  Natasha: Hello, ladies
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  Tina: Hi
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  Natasha: We sorted ourselves out
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  Madeleine: we
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  Natasha: hit
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  Madeleine: who
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  Natasha: was say
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  Tina: first we it.
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  Tina: Woo You
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: a
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  Natasha: great job.
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  Natasha: No chatting over top of each other.
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  video1851534941: Exactly.
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  video1851534941: Good work, girls.
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  video1851534941: Um, I can't believe
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  Natasha: another
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  video1851534941: month's gone by.
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  video1851534941: We've had our weather chat already, so
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  Natasha: we to
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  audioNatasha21851534941: that
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  Natasha: on the podcast this
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: time.
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  Natasha: Um,
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  audioNatasha21851534941: how been?
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  audioNatasha21851534941: so
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  Natasha: you so keen to hear about your updates.
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  Natasha: Um, I know that you've both super busy again.
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  Natasha: Um, but Tash, I'm really keen.
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  Natasha: I've been so excited.
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  Natasha: trying to myself asking you, how did workshop on Friday go?
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  Natasha: 'Cause this is something that you've building to for a while.
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  Natasha: Yes.
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  Natasha: the workshop I on Friday was for Randwick Council, and it, uh, was an I had a while ago about my loves together, so work that I do on, um, healing through the body and then writing.
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  Natasha: I didn't wanna make it trauma, was wondering, because I've been thinking about much, and we've had chats on the pod- about this, about, know, how it in creative flow and do you harness your creativity?
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  Natasha: I reckon you can," depending on like, know, regardless of what your nervous system has, you could much shift of it to harness some of flow.
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  Natasha: I just devised workshop, and I had artists come, I was bit intimidated first because weren't just writers.
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  Natasha: There was wr- like, a was a there was sculpturist, artist, then of course, people I really envious of were like, a multi-form artist," like,"Oh, my Lord." I know.
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  Natasha: But once we got oh my God, I was loving it.
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  Natasha: Um, it so interesting hear sharing what creative like for them, and also just having this beautiful conversation around the differences between, like, visual and a, a but also much we in common.
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  Natasha: Mm.
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  Natasha: Like, what kind of you need in your body, in mind, of might need to even begin.
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  Natasha: And it was...
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  Natasha: I think in workshop, are always synchronicities common that come up, and the that kept coming were things around time.
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  Natasha: So creative time, if you're working and family commitments, know, like, you have a life, how do you, um, putting time into your creative, um, pursuit?
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  Natasha: Especially because, you know, a lot of artists make living out of their work.
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  Natasha: that the one theme, and the other of was imposter syndrome.
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  Natasha: Oh.
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  Natasha: So
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Ah.
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  Natasha: yeah.
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  Natasha: it's well, do you do with that?
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  Natasha: And it was so because overheard a of people going,"Oh my God, learnt so about myself." Like, people were saying really realized how much negativity or kind of judgment they have their, their own process, And we were around with some ideas of happens if shift, and do you shift out
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  audioNatasha21851534941: of that enable you just to do the
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  Madeleine: creation?
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  Madeleine: Forget what happens after in terms of selling or publishing, and it was so good.
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  Natasha: had the
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  Madeleine: time
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  Natasha: Oh, Tash, I
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  Madeleine: so
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  Natasha: many
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  Madeleine: I'm
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  Natasha: sure Tina so questions
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  audioNatasha21851534941: Yeah.
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  Natasha: I can see So, um, what, w- creative flow- Mm-hmm people, the way people it, is it similar?
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  Natasha: Yes.
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  Natasha: So we came the conclusion we is to creative is of your nervous system is of a state.
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  Natasha: you need a little bit of freeze response.
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  Natasha: shut down you you need be quiet need to still, like in terms of that being in one place doing something.
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  Natasha: a bit because that's your energy and your excitement and enthusiasm, you need what we the engagement system, which is when you're feeling the joy and the kind have vision, you have, like, the that kind of flowy feeling where you You know how if you really into it, you can sit hours write, you just time?
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  Natasha: we feel Like, a bit of because you have too much sympathetic, gonna be agitated maybe- Mm Because q- few people said have they sit down, they said one person said, there's a playwright, was like,"I sit down, and then within, 10 minutes I'm I any this.
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  Natasha: is too hard.
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  Natasha: I, I'm,
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  audioNatasha21851534941: I don't know.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: no good at this.'" So, and that's an example of your just going really into, like, this shutdown.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: So,
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  video1851534941: Mm.
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  video1851534941: Mm.
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  video1851534941: So
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  Tina: that was, that was cool.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: she, do you have any, what did you suggest for that person?
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  audioNatasha21851534941: Is
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  Tina: Kashi, do you have any...
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  Tina: What did you suggest for that person?
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  Tina: Is there any sort exercises or s- something-
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: that
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  Tina: you were suggesting for
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  video1851534941: them to
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  Tina: get themself out that?
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  Tina: 'Cause that's such a
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  video1851534941: Yeah isn't it, to
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  Natasha: have these ideas- but not be able to get them down the model that I was using, um, in terms of every human, we have these channel, I call channels experience.
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  Natasha: So most us, channels that we know best are meaning-making, like prefrontal cortex, we analyze we all our why questions.
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  Natasha: Like,"Why am so bad at this?
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  Natasha: can't I this?" the thing with why questions is they be useful, actually they just keep stuck in a loop.
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  Natasha: Mm.
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  Natasha: we just keep a- the whys just on forever.
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  Natasha: know we've done it.
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  Natasha: the whys don't actually lead you anywhere is an answer.
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  Natasha: Like, you lo- lots of people are like, I know why I do of this.
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  Natasha: Nothing it, though." that's channel.
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  Natasha: channel be using emotions, another channel could be movement.
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  Natasha: when I say movement, I like a dance a yoga, but if you're someone who has a lot of in your system all the time, maybe go a walk, sometimes walk is just, of makes you, kind of hype up bit more.
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  Natasha: if you're going for a a leisurely walk, it do to settle.
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  Natasha: we, we were playing around with some simple movements around tensing the body quite consciously and deliberately, and then let, then releasing, and then doing some of breathwork.
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  Natasha: just the system...
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  Natasha: what that does just helps system reset, is what you actually need shift.
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  Natasha: need to hype yourself up even more keep pushing yourself down into what- wherever you might be.
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  Natasha: You actually need do a little reset.
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  Natasha: of these little things
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  audioNatasha21851534941: that we were out
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  Madeleine: do that.
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  Madeleine: It's just a
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  video1851534941: different
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  Madeleine: in.
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  Natasha: This is
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  Madeleine: interesting.
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  Madeleine: Oh, you
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  Natasha: and
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: and
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  Natasha: do a course in Melbourne, Tash?
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  Natasha: I'd love to,'cause I've been really it, it, I felt it went really well, that I'm really, really to and, like, as it I can, as can with creatives, it seems work with any type form.
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  Natasha: Like, obviously I it for writers, it, yeah, it, it it was really, I think g- like, I I really enjoyed myself, know, the that using.
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  Natasha: Everyone seemed very engaged, and people came me afterwards specifically tell me that they
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  audioNatasha21851534941: it
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  Tina: unless lying, gonna take that on face value.
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Yeah.
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  Natasha: Well, I don't think there's
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  Tina: anything else...
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  Tina: I haven't heard of anything else like that around
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  Natasha: for creatives, and
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  video1851534941: you're
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: just-
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  video1851534941: person, the
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  Tina: person to host these kinds of workshops, so that's incredible.
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  Tina: If anyone would like book Tash, you can find her-
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: at
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  Tina: whatever
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  video1851534941: your- Thank you what's your- Thank you, Tina well,
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  Natasha: whatever her email address is.
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  Natasha: Natasha Wright.
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  Natasha: No, but like it...
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  Natasha: That would be huge.
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  Natasha: I could like, I could see benefit at, at all sorts of like...
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  Natasha: So you did it for the council, which was pretty Yeah, because I- that they took that on the thing what the, uh, a couple saying, really learned a lot myself," the Because everyone is different and where you...
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  Natasha: something...
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  Natasha: that's like sometimes you just have exercises, they don't really work everyone, because your system not, not be responding in a way that you need to that.
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  Natasha: Mm.
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  Natasha: So it's actually better you to go,"Oh, that's where I'm usually at.
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  Natasha: at, know, this high energy or, usually feel very, very kind of f-" flat sounds negative, it's not.
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  Natasha: I'm usually quite flat, for so I do bring more energy my system?
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  Natasha: And then you can adapt things, and it's much better if you're of knowing and connecting yourself, you can choose.
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  Natasha: not like random exercise-
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  video1851534941: that
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  Madeleine: you're like, don't even what this does for me, I'm g- but somehow
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  video1851534941: works
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  audioNatasha21851534941: or somehow it doesn't."
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  Madeleine: then you actually can
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  Natasha: understand what might good for you,
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  Madeleine: Mm.
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  Madeleine: And get out of that sometimes you get
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: in your own head,
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  Madeleine: you?
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  Madeleine: And that, that-
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  video1851534941: thing
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  Madeleine: that destroys that creative flow.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: Um, I see this being
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  Natasha: even in and and, because
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  audioNatasha21851534941: oftentimes you do question And, and
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  Natasha: Tash, I it interesting that were yourself yourself before you the workshop- Yes, yes as well.
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  Natasha: Because, like, I, it's so experimental.
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  Natasha: didn't know if it would make sense, but it does make sense.
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  Natasha: the is, the I also don't like is, you can block where you can do some exercises, you can...
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  Natasha: don't like they to very informative as to why and it you.
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  Natasha: And I think as well with creativity, is no magic answer.
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  Natasha: is no, this you'll feel great." So I'm a big believer in need know yourself, then you choose you want to make yourself feel
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  Madeleine: good or have a state mind or find something that works for
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  Natasha: you.
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  Madeleine: Hmm.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: And that
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  Madeleine: was like the
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  audioNatasha21851534941: kind of foundation even writing this.
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  Natasha: Maybe is why
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  Madeleine: we all exercise as well.
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  Madeleine: It's
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  Natasha: part, a lot of do, don't they?
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  Natasha: They, tend to on those long got mo- body movement, and it's not just for physical
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  audioNatasha21851534941: but it is the system.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: to try bring
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  Tina: us back to- Exactly, something that's for creative flow yeah.
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  video1851534941: Mm.
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  Tina: Oh, Oh, anyway, could a episode on this.
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  Tina: Mm.
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  Tina: Um, which maybe like- sure.
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  Tina: Um, Tina, how you?
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  Tina: How going?
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  Tina: You've been really busy.
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  Tina: Um, yeah, I, I have.
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  Tina: I'm, yeah, always busy.
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  Tina: It's amazing how, yeah, it, the writing life can just fill, fill your time, kind of.
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  Tina: Which is so fun though, and so great.
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  Tina: Um, so yeah, just, just still writing, just working on something at the moment.
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  Tina: And, um, I just mentioned before, I'm, I am in that state the moment of I know that I probably just submit
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  audioNatasha21851534941: Like, I'm just tinkering.
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: I'm
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: I was just gonna say,
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  Tina: Tina, are you Tinkering.
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  Tina: That was word.
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  Tina: is the word, and I hold onto things.
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  Tina: But I, I, think, I think we do, right?
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  Tina: trying to be...
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  Tina: Well, I know I'm
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  video1851534941: trying to get it
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  Tina: the best possible state that I can, I'm also a little bit in that mind space of, it's of, know all through that stage we're writing where we get to that point where we're"Oh, this is rubbish.
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: This is terrible." Like,"I can't write.
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  Tina: This is, this
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: is
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  video1851534941: crap.
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: What have I done?" And you
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  Tina: just,
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  audioNatasha21851534941: you
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  Tina: just really sort doubt yourself.
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  Tina: And I've come to end of it, I'm like,"Oh, that's, oh, that, this is good.
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  Tina: I like it's at." But I of go,
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  audioNatasha21851534941: is it just because you've
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  Tina: been staring
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: at
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  Tina: it
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  audioNatasha21851534941: for
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  Tina: so long?
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Like, can you not see the problems in this anymore?" And yeah, so it's really about, I just really need to take
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  Tina: couple...
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  Tina: I
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: I think
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  Tina: I
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: I need to take a couple of days away ac- from it, actually, and come back, and then have a look with some fresh eyes, um, and stop tinkering.
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  video1851534941: So
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: it
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  video1851534941: have to be
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  Madeleine: perfect is it time-tainted to
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: share
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  Madeleine: it with someone, trusted reader
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  audioNatasha21851534941: Yeah, I do do that.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: Um, I do that lot of the time.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: Um, so yeah, potentially.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: still at that point of even sharing it, sharing
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: it
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  Natasha: with
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  Tina: them.
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  Tina: Do I, do I share
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  audioNatasha21851534941: yet?
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  Tina: don't know.
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  Tina: I don't know.
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  video1851534941: Sometimes you
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  Tina: just a of time and a of space away and a bit of breath, so think that's what my next task is
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  video1851534941: going
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  Madeleine: to, going to be.
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  Madeleine: Mm.
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  Madeleine: Anyway.
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  Madeleine: Worth tinkering, yes.
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  Madeleine: It is.
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  Madeleine: I mean, it's, just so
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  Natasha: tempting, it?
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  Natasha: it is Just
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  Madeleine: to just spend a whole Sometimes a
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  audioNatasha21851534941: hour goes and you've just a
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  Natasha: Like-
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  video1851534941: You've done nothing.
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  Madeleine: Yeah.
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  Natasha: my experience.
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  Natasha: Yeah.
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  Madeleine: know.
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  Madeleine: Or
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: you've got less words.
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Like, how does that work?
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  Madeleine: Yes.
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  Natasha: Um, yeah.
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  Natasha: Look, I'm we've all been there before, and I've You learn from past mistakes, it's still not any easier, is it?
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  Natasha: Um, it seems like process.
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  Natasha: all part of the process, isn't it?
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  Natasha: This
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  Madeleine: final t- I Emily McGuire said it, a moment, I think, when Emily this on podcast, loved, and I laughed so hard'cause I
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  Natasha: think just like,"I'm
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  Madeleine: staring in thinking it,"
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  Natasha: delightful.
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  Madeleine: Um, and yeah, Emily said the work, like she was how work is in the rewriting.
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  Madeleine: Mm.
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  Madeleine: The work is made in the rewriting.
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  Madeleine: Mm-hmm.
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  Madeleine: When that, I just felt so vindicated, because I'd just spent the last months this book,
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  Natasha: right?
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  Madeleine: Mm-hmm.
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  Madeleine: And just"Oh, God, it, could have fine.
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  Natasha: if just left it
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  Madeleine: it have
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  video1851534941: been
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  audioNatasha21851534941: fine.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: have I done so why.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: The why questions.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: Mm-hmm.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: have so
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  Tina: into Am I overthinking
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  Natasha: Da,
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  Tina: da,
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  Natasha: da.
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  Natasha: But no, she's it's
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  Madeleine: not doesn't become the work until the very when it's on the shelf,
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  Natasha: Mm-hmm.
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  Natasha: And that's doing, So maybe just
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: ...tinkering.
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  Madeleine: This is the
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  Natasha: the- thinking, Yeah.
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  Madeleine: Yeah.
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  Madeleine: No, no, you're right.
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  Natasha: So I should, so I should keep
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  Madeleine: tinkering, is saying?
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  Madeleine: So I go for a bit longer?
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  Madeleine: All
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  Natasha: Okay.
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  Natasha: the thing.
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  Natasha: when feel like, to
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  Madeleine: Yes.
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  Madeleine: When it feel it's whole?
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  Madeleine: I definitely resonated with
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  Natasha: Emily
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  Madeleine: talking about for The Butterfly Women, it didn't until that
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  Natasha: third structural edit, I think Emily-
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  Madeleine: Mm
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  audioNatasha21851534941: was sort of saying hadn't structured- structurally edited until- her
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: third book.
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  Tina: Um,
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  Natasha: and,
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  Tina: and yeah, I, I Yeah,
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  video1851534941: right
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  Natasha: at
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: the
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  video1851534941: then
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  Tina: it
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  audioNatasha21851534941: just
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  Madeleine: Yes, can this
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  Tina: Yeah.
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  Tina: Yeah, and I I'm a little bit there as well.
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  Tina: I think, you have to your gut little bit,
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  audioNatasha21851534941: and
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: that's the
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  Natasha: reason the tinkering.
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  Natasha: I've certainly finished stuff been like,"Yes, this is it.
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  Natasha: Here
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  video1851534941: go.
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  video1851534941: I'm submitting." but-
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  Tina: So I yeah, if that's not the feeling I then it just needs little bit more
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  Natasha: time,
• 15:29
  Tina: even though I can't see what to change or at the moment, it just needs bit of time, so.
• 15:34
  Madeleine: Mm.
• 15:35
  Madeleine: And, um, know what?
• 15:36
  Madeleine: I've got time, that's okay.
• 15:38
  Madeleine: always time,
• 15:39
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: I think
• 15:40
  Tina: I'm sure Tash I
• 15:41
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: are available
• 15:41
  Tina: you'd a- second of eyes, Tina.
• 15:44
  Tina: Exactly.
• 15:44
  Tina: Yes, we are.
• 15:44
  Tina: Oh, you.
• 15:47
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: well, you
• 15:47
  Natasha: never...
• 15:47
  Natasha: Yeah, might have take you up
• 15:48
  video1851534941: on that one.
• 15:49
  Tina: Yeah, any time.
• 15:50
  Tina: Any
• 15:51
  Natasha: yeah, apart writing, yeah, I've been, organizing some, workshops that
• 15:55
  Tina: have
• 15:55
  audioNatasha21851534941: cause
• 15:55
  Tina: school holidays again very soon, like two weeks.
• 15:59
  Tina: I
• 15:59
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: believe It
• 15:59
  Tina: it it was school holidays- It a,
• 16:01
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: d- a second ago
• 16:02
  Tina: It
• 16:02
  video1851534941: really was,
• 16:03
  Tina: and then...
• 16:04
  Tina: I can't believe, I don't know if you girls are up this yet, because what are we now, June?
• 16:07
  Tina: I'm looking in the calendar,
• 16:08
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: I'm
• 16:08
  Tina: booking things in, and then ending up like, September and October, and basically September and October is Christmas, and the
• 16:15
  audioNatasha21851534941: end of year.
• 16:16
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: So,
• 16:16
  Tina: like,
• 16:17
  Natasha: it's just, I cannot believe how fast this year's flying, but yes, there's more holidays soon.
• 16:23
  Tina: So I do have, um,
• 16:24
  Natasha: couple of
• 16:26
  Tina: holiday workshops for anybody who is around in the Queensland area during the school holidays.
• 16:32
  Tina: I have event at Harry Hartog, um, the 7th July.
• 16:36
  Tina: That's Harry Hartog in Carindale.
• 16:38
  Tina: And, um, the 9th of July The Bouquet in
• 16:42
  audioNatasha21851534941: Ipswich, which I'm very excited to go to,'cause a bookshop a florist
• 16:46
  Madeleine: together.
• 16:47
  Madeleine: Aw, cool.
• 16:47
  Madeleine: I know.
• 16:48
  Madeleine: so
• 16:48
  Tina: excited to, to visit the store, so be super, cool.
• 16:52
  Tina: um, know, workshops, gonna do some writing activities, we're gonna do some Wilder Zoo themed, um, activities, maybe a little of craft as well.
• 17:01
  Tina: So, um, along to Uh, and I've also got the CYA conference, which on, on the, uh, the 11th the 12th of July.
• 17:10
  Madeleine: And, um, a big announcement actually this year it be the last year CYA be doing the conference the form they're currently doing it in.
• 17:18
  Madeleine: So we don't know what's to yet,
• 17:21
  audioNatasha21851534941: it's,
• 17:21
  Madeleine: it's such a huge conference.
• 17:22
  Madeleine: It actually goes for months before the actual day there's assessments and there's
• 17:28
  Natasha: It's, it's huge.
• 17:29
  Natasha: So,
• 17:30
  video1851534941: um,
• 17:31
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Yeah,
• 17:32
  Tina: there's couple of weekends actually of
• 17:33
  audioNatasha21851534941: like, uh, online,
• 17:35
  Tina: um, presentations
• 17:36
  Madeleine: as
• 17:36
  Natasha: well.
• 17:37
  Madeleine: So yeah, so hopefully in the years it'll still be around some form, but, uh, it's, it's the last year that sounds like it's gonna be
• 17:46
  video1851534941: is,
• 17:46
  Natasha: is, is a sad, but you, never know moving forward.
• 17:49
  Madeleine: It, um, it might be better in, in different ways or bigger and better in other ways, but, uh, tickets still available that if anyone wants
• 17:57
  Natasha: along to the last one its current form.
• 18:00
  Natasha: Um, yeah, so looking to that, as a networking and get to hi to everyone again.
• 18:06
  Natasha: Yeah,
• 18:07
  video1851534941: love to
• 18:08
  Tina: just come for
• 18:09
  video1851534941: the,
• 18:10
  Natasha: the, drinks.
• 18:10
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: I
• 18:11
  Natasha: you telling us about the drinks last It sounded great.
• 18:13
  Natasha: The
• 18:13
  Madeleine: networking event.
• 18:14
  Madeleine: Yeah,
• 18:14
  Natasha: Networking event.
• 18:15
  Natasha: pretty fun.
• 18:15
  Natasha: Mm-hmm.
• 18:16
  Natasha: Mm-hmm.
• 18:17
  Natasha: Oh, that'll Tina.
• 18:17
  Natasha: Yeah.
• 18:19
  Natasha: and Tash, did have any other updates
• 18:21
  Madeleine: well?
• 18:21
  Madeleine: I, know you, um, recently revealed something very exciting to us.
• 18:26
  Madeleine: not sure you're to
• 18:27
  Tina: reveal it on the podcast yet
• 18:30
  Natasha: What did I reveal?
• 18:31
  Tina: I
• 18:31
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: I think
• 18:31
  Natasha: I tried ask
• 18:32
  video1851534941: last
• 18:32
  Natasha: time
• 18:34
  video1851534941: The
• 18:34
  Tina: The title your new book.
• 18:35
  Tina: Oh, the title.
• 18:36
  Tina: God, I'm like, is it?" excited I
• 18:40
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: What did I do?
• 18:42
  Natasha: Uh, I actually know.
• 18:43
  Natasha: I don't know to to
• 18:45
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: Why
• 18:45
  Natasha: not?
• 18:46
  Natasha: Like, what's the risk, right?
• 18:48
  Natasha: I don't know.
• 18:49
  Tina: Publicity
• 18:49
  Natasha: getting cranky?
• 18:51
  Madeleine: Should we
• 18:52
  Natasha: Should we do a drum roll?
• 18:53
  Natasha: Should we?
• 18:53
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: we?
• 18:56
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Or
• 18:56
  Natasha: should we keep the suspense going until get final tick off from- from your publicist?
• 19:02
  Natasha: it's such, it's such a great title.
• 19:03
  Natasha: I, I think should say because- appealing.
• 19:06
  Natasha: should say I'll just say their old title is on their website already, so it can't
• 19:11
  Madeleine: oh, okay.
• 19:12
  audioNatasha21851534941: So
• 19:12
  Madeleine: I'll
• 19:12
  audioNatasha21851534941: just say
• 19:13
  Madeleine: it.
• 19:13
  Madeleine: So
• 19:13
  audioNatasha21851534941: Ooh the title
• 19:15
  Natasha: of book out next year is called The Bride Price
• 19:19
  Madeleine: Ooh.
• 19:21
  Madeleine: The
• 19:21
  Natasha: Bride Price.
• 19:22
  Natasha: Tash, and any,
• 19:24
  Madeleine: we...
• 19:24
  audioNatasha21851534941: is a log line we can
• 19:26
  Natasha: there something meets
• 19:27
  Tina: there something meets something?
• 19:27
  Tina: Oh, God.
• 19:28
  Tina: Okay, I'll say it.
• 19:28
  Tina: Just your one-liner.
• 19:29
  Madeleine: What's Okay elevator Tash?
• 19:31
  Madeleine: asked me this
• 19:31
  Natasha: it's, uh...
• 19:31
  Natasha: Oh,
• 19:31
  audioNatasha21851534941: actually, I've,
• 19:32
  Natasha: got the meet, meet the, know, the meet.
• 19:34
  Natasha: okay.
• 19:35
  Natasha: I've got it.
• 19:36
  Natasha: Kate Mildenhall's The Hummingbird Effect meets Margaret Atwood Wow cool.
• 19:42
  Natasha: But what kind of Atwood?
• 19:44
  Natasha: Like be specific.
• 19:47
  Natasha: Like, is it's is it it's, is it an Grace or a Tale?
• 19:52
  Natasha: Tale?
• 19:53
  Natasha: It's more around the feminist principles Okay, interesting.
• 19:57
  Natasha: Is it so but got the speculative with, The Effect With historical?
• 20:03
  Natasha: Yeah.
• 20:04
  Natasha: Ooh.
• 20:05
  Natasha: well, Tash Oh.
• 20:06
  Natasha: This is so so exciting.
• 20:09
  Madeleine: next- Next,
• 20:10
  Natasha: next month ask your elevator Oh,
• 20:12
  Madeleine: God, I've got of I've a whole month
• 20:14
  video1851534941: to
• 20:14
  audioNatasha21851534941: work it.
• 20:14
  audioNatasha21851534941: Actually, just one other, um, I wanna one other thing,'cause Tina, you reminded when you were talking about
• 20:20
  video1851534941: workshops.
• 20:21
  Natasha: I'll be in month in July.
• 20:23
  Natasha: Um,
• 20:24
  Madeleine: the Q Lit is on, is celebration of literature
• 20:29
  Natasha: queer writers.
• 20:30
  audioNatasha21851534941: that is from the 17th 19th of July in Melbourne, and I'll be hosting a
• 20:36
  video1851534941: on
• 20:37
  Natasha: the
• 20:37
  Madeleine: Sunday,
• 20:38
  Natasha: um,
• 20:38
  Madeleine: about writing, um, I think gonna get
• 20:42
  audioNatasha21851534941: panel
• 20:43
  Madeleine: title wrong, so I apologize, but about writing amazing characters.
• 20:46
  Madeleine: So
• 20:47
  video1851534941: in Melbourne that weekend, come You
• 20:50
  Madeleine: can buy tickets, um,
• 20:52
  video1851534941: on the website, and also I've
• 20:54
  Madeleine: got links on my Instagram page
• 20:56
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: And it's at the beautiful Pride Centre
• 20:57
  Madeleine: St Kilda,
• 20:58
  video1851534941: it?
• 20:58
  Madeleine: yes.
• 20:59
  Madeleine: Which is gorgeous building.
• 21:00
  Madeleine: Yes.
• 21:01
  Madeleine: spot.
• 21:01
  Madeleine: So, yes-
• 21:02
  audioNatasha21851534941: along to
• 21:03
  Madeleine: that
• 21:04
  video1851534941: Um,
• 21:04
  Madeleine: what about you, Maz?
• 21:05
  video1851534941: have you been
• 21:06
  Madeleine: up
• 21:07
  video1851534941: Um, well, I only had just one s- small update, um,
• 21:11
  Madeleine: and maybe a bit of a brag
• 21:15
  audioNatasha21851534941: Go
• 21:15
  Madeleine: You can't
• 21:15
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: do it on your own
• 21:16
  video1851534941: podcast,
• 21:17
  Madeleine: Come on.
• 21:17
  Madeleine: exactly.
• 21:18
  Madeleine: But w- it, much to was so exciting.
• 21:21
  video1851534941: You know those moments where you're just like,"Wait," you're like,"Pinch me.
• 21:24
  video1851534941: Is this
• 21:25
  Madeleine: real?"
• 21:25
  video1851534941: Um, so I have a bit of a fan girl crush on this historian.
• 21:32
  video1851534941: Her name's Robin Anier.
• 21:33
  video1851534941: Um, she's a local historian here in Melbourne.
• 21:37
  video1851534941: Um,
• 21:37
  Madeleine: she just, she's just so
• 21:39
  video1851534941: great.
• 21:39
  video1851534941: I've read pretty much all her
• 21:41
  Madeleine: history books.
• 21:43
  audioNatasha21851534941: her books really helped me
• 21:45
  Madeleine: was
• 21:45
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: writing The Butterfly Women.
• 21:47
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: I've done a
• 21:47
  Madeleine: couple
• 21:48
  Natasha: her walking tours, and more recently I did her,
• 21:51
  Madeleine: um, here in at the Festival.
• 21:56
  video1851534941: and
• 21:56
  Natasha: Al-
• 21:56
  Madeleine: I with Ally Parker, and I said to Ally,"Oh,
• 21:59
  audioNatasha21851534941: should we go ourselves
• 22:00
  Madeleine: to
• 22:01
  audioNatasha21851534941: I'd met once it was I
• 22:03
  Natasha: I was"She's gonna remember me." And
• 22:06
  video1851534941: she, and Ally and I, we decided that we wouldn't, like, we
• 22:09
  Natasha: didn't wanna people.
• 22:10
  Natasha: We you
• 22:10
  video1851534941: we just to
• 22:11
  Natasha: to be part of the group and everything.
• 22:13
  audioNatasha21851534941: Um, and so then later, my,
• 22:16
  Natasha: um, historian friend, Barbara Minchinton, who
• 22:19
  audioNatasha21851534941: on podcast before, she emailed me
• 22:21
  Natasha: she
• 22:22
  audioNatasha21851534941: said, um,"Oh, um,
• 22:24
  video1851534941: Robin,
• 22:25
  audioNatasha21851534941: um, mentioned your name me at this event
• 22:28
  video1851534941: that
• 22:28
  Natasha: I was at." I was like, my God, Anier knows my name?
• 22:33
  Natasha: Like, that's incredible." And so
• 22:36
  video1851534941: I had
• 22:36
  Natasha: a question ask
• 22:38
  video1851534941: a historical question, so I
• 22:40
  Natasha: emailed her.
• 22:40
  video1851534941: It's
• 22:40
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: the first
• 22:41
  Natasha: I've ever emailed her.
• 22:42
  Natasha: I wrote that email, different times.
• 22:45
  audioNatasha21851534941: Um, and then she like, pretty much immediately, and she, she has read The Butterfly Women.
• 22:55
  Natasha: What?
• 22:56
  audioNatasha21851534941: Wow.
• 22:56
  Madeleine: And she
• 22:57
  audioNatasha21851534941: described it as
• 22:58
  Madeleine: magic.
• 23:00
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Hmm.
• 23:00
  Madeleine: Oh, that's
• 23:01
  video1851534941: is magic.
• 23:02
  video1851534941: Um, it is, but that's so cool.
• 23:05
  video1851534941: That's so cool.
• 23:05
  video1851534941: So whenever I have self-doubts, I'm just gonna be like,"But remember when
• 23:09
  Madeleine: Robin and Nia
• 23:09
  audioNatasha21851534941: your writing was magic?" So was like,"Ah."
• 23:11
  Madeleine: Yes.
• 23:13
  audioNatasha21851534941: No, seriously, this thing,
• 23:14
  Natasha: Madeleine, I think we've gotta it, I think, um,
• 23:17
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: I keep
• 23:18
  Tina: m- meaning to do it, and I read it somewhere recently as well, and was like, need to do this.
• 23:23
  Tina: We need to get those moments anyway, I'm you're never forget it, but like, seriously,
• 23:27
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: you need to maybe
• 23:28
  Tina: write down or something put it on, um, it up somewhere.
• 23:33
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Like, post
• 23:33
  Tina: it
• 23:33
  audioNatasha21851534941: up somewhere.
• 23:33
  audioNatasha21851534941: True.
• 23:34
  Madeleine: I know I feel like would feel a little bit, like,
• 23:36
  Natasha: cringe about, about it, but, um, know, do it in your office.
• 23:41
  Madeleine: Do
• 23:41
  audioNatasha21851534941: it on desk.
• 23:42
  Natasha: a little Post-It somewhere or,
• 23:44
  Madeleine: this
• 23:44
  Natasha: particular example that, um, I had read was were like, make, um...
• 23:50
  Natasha: Or onto Canva and, make
• 23:52
  audioNatasha21851534941: a little, or, or, or anything, like and make little, know, kinda slide that's just got all these
• 23:57
  Madeleine: fun
• 23:58
  Natasha: things.
• 23:58
  Madeleine: Like, clip out emails where editor or someone, even if it's in a rejection letter but they've come back and said,"The voice is, is or- Mm
• 24:07
  Natasha: "This has
• 24:08
  Madeleine: great story." Grab those positives and stick them together in, in little that you can look at when you need pick-me-up, you're shit.
• 24:17
  Madeleine: Oh,
• 24:18
  Natasha: the
• 24:18
  Madeleine: explicit box when, when you edit this Madeleine.
• 24:21
  Madeleine: Um, yeah, or,
• 24:23
  Natasha: Or
• 24:23
  Madeleine: even when you're feeling great, even just start your day.
• 24:26
  Madeleine: it every day just remind yourself of those positive things.
• 24:29
  Madeleine: I think that's-
• 24:30
  video1851534941: I know.
• 24:30
  video1851534941: I'm never go- I'm just
• 24:31
  Madeleine: gonna pull that email I'm depths
• 24:34
  video1851534941: of despair, I think.
• 24:35
  video1851534941: Yeah When my nervous system is all over the place.
• 24:37
  video1851534941: Yeah.
• 24:37
  video1851534941: I'm just gonna let that, those words calm me
• 24:39
  Madeleine: down.
• 24:40
  Natasha: it was great, um,
• 24:42
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: was asking her about book
• 24:45
  Madeleine: which I'm start writing, which I told you both a weeks ago that I looking forward
• 24:50
  Tina: writing
• 24:51
  Natasha: Yeah.
• 24:51
  Natasha: Where just"Oh God, book." It's a lot.
• 24:54
  Natasha: And, um, for
• 24:55
  Tina: those along, this is the book been my existence
• 24:59
  video1851534941: for
• 24:59
  Tina: the past year.
• 25:00
  Tina: Um-
• 25:00
  audioNatasha21851534941: Even I had a little bit a,"Ugh," you said that.
• 25:03
  Natasha: that Yeah.
• 25:03
  Natasha: Nervousness we- I know.
• 25:05
  Natasha: But it's, but it's exciting.
• 25:06
  Natasha: Like, it's
• 25:07
  Tina: exciting, but it's also like, man, that's a,
• 25:09
  Natasha: ugh,
• 25:10
  Tina: I'm gonna say shit ton work we're already explicit.
• 25:12
  Madeleine: shit
• 25:12
  Tina: ton work.
• 25:13
  Tina: Like, isn't it?
• 25:14
  Tina: But,
• 25:14
  audioNatasha21851534941: it's huge.
• 25:15
  audioNatasha21851534941: fun.
• 25:15
  audioNatasha21851534941: Ton of work.
• 25:17
  audioNatasha21851534941: has me excited.
• 25:19
  Madeleine: Yeah
• 25:19
  Tina: I'm, I'm
• 25:20
  video1851534941: actually
• 25:20
  Madeleine: so
• 25:20
  audioNatasha21851534941: excited.
• 25:21
  audioNatasha21851534941: provided some great things, and she said, um, when you're,
• 25:25
  Natasha: 'Cause I'm to Castlemaine in, um, July,
• 25:28
  Madeleine: um, for something but"I'll be in the like,"Let's catch
• 25:32
  Natasha: up.
• 25:32
  Natasha: Let's bounce off ideas."
• 25:36
  video1851534941: Wow.
• 25:36
  video1851534941: Yeah.
• 25:37
  Natasha: sounds
• 25:37
  Madeleine: wonderful.
• 25:38
  Natasha: now I'm just like,
• 25:39
  Madeleine: okay, I'm excited.
• 25:41
  Madeleine: I'm, I,
• 25:41
  Natasha: the flow
• 25:43
  audioNatasha21851534941: is back me.
• 25:44
  Natasha: Nice.
• 25:44
  Natasha: I'm getting of good ideas.
• 25:46
  Natasha: Mm.
• 25:46
  Natasha: I've got the first scene.
• 25:48
  Natasha: I
• 25:48
  Madeleine: actually wrote out the
• 25:50
  audioNatasha21851534941: in, like I wrote out, not, didn't write the scenes, but I out the scene, what
• 25:55
  Madeleine: synopsis
• 25:56
  Tina: is, and the last scene, so I know how it
• 25:58
  Madeleine: ends.
• 25:59
  Natasha: I just don't know what's gonna in
• 26:00
  Madeleine: the
• 26:01
  audioNatasha21851534941: But I'm
• 26:02
  Natasha: wow, that's more than I ever do.
• 26:04
  Natasha: Mm.
• 26:04
  Natasha: So, and about
• 26:05
  video1851534941: Yes.
• 26:06
  video1851534941: So, yay.
• 26:06
  video1851534941: And you know what?
• 26:07
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: and that's,
• 26:08
  video1851534941: it, can
• 26:08
  Madeleine: always
• 26:09
  video1851534941: right?
• 26:09
  video1851534941: Like, you know- So don't,
• 26:10
  Madeleine: don't be scared,'cause I know you say,"That's
• 26:11
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: more than
• 26:12
  Madeleine: I and of sounds little bit like plotting a little
• 26:15
  Natasha: Madeleine.
• 26:15
  Madeleine: I know.
• 26:15
  Madeleine: But- I know
• 26:16
  Natasha: but
• 26:17
  Madeleine: don't worry,'cause
• 26:18
  Natasha: can
• 26:18
  Madeleine: change it, and you know Your ending could be thousand times even than you've got now because, know And that can happen, it's ju- it's great to
• 26:26
  audioNatasha21851534941: sort of
• 26:26
  Madeleine: It's so exciting.
• 26:27
  video1851534941: have that- Exactly you clearly have a
• 26:27
  Madeleine: v- you have a clear vision
• 26:29
  audioNatasha21851534941: where
• 26:29
  Madeleine: have
• 26:30
  video1851534941: I have a vision.
• 26:30
  video1851534941: That's so cool.
• 26:30
  video1851534941: And, and I wrote out the characters yesterday, the three main characters, in 10 minutes.
• 26:35
  video1851534941: Oh.
• 26:35
  video1851534941: That always has, always
• 26:36
  Madeleine: happened.
• 26:37
  Madeleine: It happened
• 26:37
  audioNatasha21851534941: me-
• 26:37
  Madeleine: in The
• 26:38
  Natasha: happened
• 26:38
  audioNatasha21851534941: me
• 26:39
  Natasha: in two,
• 26:40
  video1851534941: And then finally it happened for this book, and now I'm just like, okay, now I think I,
• 26:45
  Natasha: I know who are,
• 26:46
  audioNatasha21851534941: and can take them
• 26:47
  Natasha: through this journey." So
• 26:49
  Madeleine: Amazing So I'm excited.
• 26:50
  Madeleine: That's so So that's, that's, me.
• 26:52
  Madeleine: That's
• 26:52
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: the
• 26:52
  Madeleine: best
• 26:53
  Natasha: feeling when that happens It's so cool.
• 26:55
  Natasha: So all you were saying before,
• 26:57
  Madeleine: Tash, about nervous system and about towards things, trying yourself out of important.
• 27:03
  Madeleine: I need
• 27:04
  Natasha: write
• 27:04
  Madeleine: this book, not
• 27:05
  Natasha: just because it's under contract, because I want
• 27:07
  Madeleine: book to be written.
• 27:09
  Madeleine: Yes.
• 27:09
  Madeleine: Like, I, I know
• 27:10
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: there and it's...
• 27:11
  Madeleine: yeah, it has to get written,
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: Hello, this is author Rachel Fox McLeod, and my novel Disgraceful is out now with Simon Schuster in Australia and New Zealand, with the paperback soon to come in the UK and the US.
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: So Disgraceful is a deeply personal comedic drama about a 49-year-old woman, Grace, who has been the ultimate good girl her entire life.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: She's had to be because she's been married to a high-profile Christian evangelist pastor for almost 30 years.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: So when her marriage and life implode, she decides to make 50 bad decisions before she turns 50 in an attempt to reclaim herself, until her family throw her some curveballs that threaten to derail her plan.
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: Disgraceful is drawn from the chaotic and messy experience of my own life falling apart and having to rebuild it at 45, and then unexpectedly becoming a grandmother.
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: Oh my God.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: Disgraceful is a funny, tender, confronting, and emotional exploration of being a woman, female relationships, motherhood, sex and aging, and the societal expectations placed on women that we all need to break free from.
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: I hope you love reading it as much as I loved writing it.
• 28:24
  Madeleine: ladies, I'm gonna track
• 28:26
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: a
• 28:27
  Madeleine: bit,
• 28:27
  Natasha: unless else other updates, um,
• 28:30
  video1851534941: because
• 28:31
  audioNatasha21851534941: I wanna you both about the business
• 28:34
  video1851534941: books.
• 28:34
  video1851534941: Mm.
• 28:35
  video1851534941: Um, and this is
• 28:36
  audioNatasha21851534941: something I feel like a lot of writers don't talk much
• 28:41
  Natasha: Um,
• 28:41
  audioNatasha21851534941: and I know we've
• 28:43
  Tina: money, um, the podcast,
• 28:46
  Natasha: this
• 28:46
  Tina: is
• 28:46
  Natasha: specifically
• 28:47
  Tina: about, like, the behind business.
• 28:50
  Tina: And thought
• 28:51
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: it's a great opportunity
• 28:52
  Tina: talk about this because it is
• 28:54
  Natasha: end of at least
• 28:55
  Tina: fast
• 28:55
  Natasha: approaching.
• 28:57
  Tina: Um, and we are,
• 28:58
  Natasha: all us, we creatives but we're small
• 29:01
  audioNatasha21851534941: business owners,
• 29:03
  Natasha: and so is really...
• 29:04
  Tina: I'm really curious
• 29:05
  video1851534941: know, I suppose, like, what your businesses look like and what
• 29:08
  Tina: you do.
• 29:09
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: What
• 29:09
  Tina: routines?
• 29:10
  Tina: Do you have separate bank accounts for your business?
• 29:13
  Tina: Do you income?
• 29:14
  Tina: How
• 29:14
  audioNatasha21851534941: your income expenses?
• 29:16
  audioNatasha21851534941: How you manage things
• 29:17
  Natasha: like your physical receipts?
• 29:18
  Natasha: So I wanna know everything.
• 29:20
  Tina: I wanna get Mm the the Um, and I
• 29:23
  audioNatasha21851534941: put something out on social media
• 29:25
  Tina: about this last week, and
• 29:27
  Natasha: number one that back,
• 29:29
  Tina: the consistent message organized.
• 29:33
  Tina: Mm-hmm.
• 29:34
  Tina: And that is just me.
• 29:36
  Tina: I'm If you guys are organized, I wanna know your tips.
• 29:39
  Tina: So
• 29:40
  video1851534941: Tina, I'm gonna start
• 29:40
  Tina: with you.
• 29:41
  Natasha: what's- how do, h-
• 29:43
  Tina: your like?
• 29:44
  Natasha: Tell, tell
• 29:44
  Tina: us.
• 29:46
  Natasha: Right.
• 29:46
  Madeleine: does like?
• 29:47
  Madeleine: Interesting.
• 29:48
  Madeleine: a very, very small business.
• 29:50
  Madeleine: Very small.
• 29:50
  Madeleine: Um, but think just in saying that, uh, most authors do see they're doing as, and their work as a small business.
• 29:59
  Madeleine: But those who aren't there yet, um,
• 30:03
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: first
• 30:03
  Madeleine: heard that word being used to describe what it is like becoming an author you're getting paid for writing, uh, the
• 30:13
  Natasha: it as a small business and setting up a small business really made it, sense in my mind, especially with the fact of any other small business that you set up, is lot of work that goes into it first.
• 30:24
  Natasha: a lot of time spent on, on it.
• 30:26
  Natasha: You cannot expect
• 30:28
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: be paid for any of that
• 30:30
  Natasha: beforehand.
• 30:31
  Natasha: You go out there you sell your stuff, you your stuff, start small, and you tr- know, you, you can, for some people, know, who, who have a business where they're trying sell a product, say, like you could
• 30:41
  video1851534941: at
• 30:41
  Natasha: markets, you can be in the
• 30:42
  Madeleine: shopping
• 30:42
  Natasha: center.
• 30:42
  audioNatasha21851534941: You're trying
• 30:43
  Tina: spread the word,
• 30:43
  Natasha: trying
• 30:44
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: to sell it to everybody, and it starts very small, and you're putting in a lot of time and effort for a very little amount of money.
• 30:49
  Natasha: Um,
• 30:49
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: but that's where you just have to start, and it can be years before you actually make any return on that investment of time and money that
• 30:57
  Tina: put into it.
• 30:57
  Tina: I think that's a really important is for a of people,
• 31:01
  video1851534941: you
• 31:01
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: know,
• 31:01
  Tina: y- the,
• 31:02
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: amount of time that
• 31:03
  video1851534941: that you're
• 31:03
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: putting in, the money back is just gonna
• 31:05
  Tina: It's gonna take a little while
• 31:06
  Madeleine: that
• 31:06
  Tina: to happen, is when, know, we sign contracts and, know,
• 31:09
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: we often w- not, and not everyone gets money on an advance, but, you
• 31:14
  video1851534941: y-
• 31:14
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: you can get a little bit of money to start with, but then it could be two years before you see any more
• 31:18
  video1851534941: when,
• 31:18
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: until it's published, you know?
• 31:20
  Tina: So I think that was just a really good way to look at it in general to start with.
• 31:26
  video1851534941: Um,
• 31:26
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: so
• 31:26
  Tina: how do I manage it?
• 31:27
  Tina: Um, not that organized either, to be honest with Madeleine, but I do have separate accounts, um, uh, that get anything to do with writerly stuff paid into.
• 31:39
  Tina: So if any events or, um, if I make any sales.
• 31:44
  Tina: So I have little square that gets, money goes straight to account.
• 31:49
  Tina: Um, my publishers into that account, that sort of thing.
• 31:52
  Tina: it's also where I, um, money when I'm paying for things to do with my writing.
• 31:58
  Tina: So, know, um,
• 32:00
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: need a new laptop or I'm, you know, buying admin stuff or, you know, a new Printer
• 32:06
  video1851534941: printer.
• 32:06
  Tina: Printer ink other day was$214.
• 32:08
  Tina: you believe that?
• 32:09
  Natasha: Sorry, just a side note.
• 32:11
  Tina: know.
• 32:11
  Tina: I like,"Nothing's being print-"
• 32:12
  audioNatasha21851534941: printing.
• 32:13
  Tina: No, that's how much it is to refill my printer, and Officeworks, and Officeworks don't even sell one
• 32:18
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: for more
• 32:18
  Tina: than like
• 32:20
  Madeleine: $150, whole printer.
• 32:21
  Madeleine: Anyway, side nothing is being printed in color now on
• 32:24
  Tina: my kids.
• 32:26
  Tina: all black and white from now on.
• 32:28
  Tina: Um, everything on, everything comes out of as
• 32:31
  video1851534941: well.
• 32:32
  Natasha: Um,
• 32:33
  video1851534941: And that's only
• 32:33
  Tina: your business
• 32:34
  video1851534941: though, right?
• 32:35
  video1851534941: That you
• 32:35
  Natasha: don't buy anything personal from
• 32:37
  Tina: account?
• 32:37
  Tina: I have it
• 32:38
  audioNatasha21851534941: completely to make it easy don't actually have a that I use when I'm out and
• 32:43
  video1851534941: about
• 32:44
  Tina: Mm
• 32:45
  video1851534941: though, which I
• 32:45
  Natasha: do wanna get.
• 32:46
  Natasha: The only reason why I didn't was I, was a fee charged, otherwise I had get a whole new bank.
• 32:51
  Tina: didn't- So then do you...
• 32:52
  Tina: 'cause, like,
• 32:53
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: you know, if you have to p- purchase books, for example-
• 32:56
  Natasha: that to read for podcast or whatever- Yes
• 32:59
  Tina: tax-deductible Yeah how how do you track those those
• 33:02
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Yeah,
• 33:03
  Tina: so if it's something when I'm out and about, I'll, I'll use my regular card and then I will reimburse it.
• 33:08
  Tina: I've just, I've only just started like a every Friday make that you're on top all your accounts.
• 33:14
  Tina: It's going okay at moment.
• 33:16
  Tina: just, I just need check just make sure I've that out.
• 33:18
  video1851534941: Um And
• 33:19
  Natasha: do you track expense for a future tax deduction?
• 33:22
  Natasha: Like, are you claiming those books?
• 33:24
  Natasha: Uh, yeah, I'll, claim, uh, pretty much everything that- Mm-hmm yeah.
• 33:29
  Natasha: So I'll normally have, um, reference materials, and then I'll have like stationery and admin stuff, um, travel expenses, uh, like insurances, uh, s- memberships and subscriptions as is, is a huge one.
• 33:45
  Natasha: Um, yeah, so that's, so that's sort of...
• 33:48
  Natasha: I have an accountant that and see who does that me, so, um, he's very good with that.
• 33:54
  Natasha: yeah, like, a to, to track it?
• 33:56
  Natasha: it?
• 33:57
  Natasha: Um, I do
• 33:59
  Tina: at the...
• 34:01
  video1851534941: and
• 34:01
  Tina: I
• 34:01
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: kind of, I should,
• 34:02
  Natasha: I know I should do it throughout year and keep track of it, I of leave it right till end, Same the year.
• 34:08
  Natasha: Um, and I will track that kind of...
• 34:12
  Natasha: It's e- this is the good about having that separate author account your money out of, because then all you have to do really c- is go through that and to find your expenses are and what were, so you usually track it that way.
• 34:26
  Natasha: Um, receipts and stuff, obviously is very important, and my top tip that is take a of it or to go your notes app and, um, the scan, then you scan and scans it in, and you can details in.
• 34:42
  Madeleine: not just a photo in phone.
• 34:44
  Madeleine: like, a whole folder in your notes app on your phone a- and it'll scan it, you can
• 34:48
  Natasha: write, like a tag something.
• 34:51
  Natasha: But usually, that usually up like the first line or shop something on the words that were on the receipt anyway, so it of tags for which that's a top tip.
• 35:01
  Natasha: Yeah.
• 35:02
  Natasha: I'm Yeah.
• 35:02
  Natasha: So that's pretty-'Cause at the moment I'm keeping them physical folder, but I heard say can take a photo email you with a, with a easy to find search sh- searching thing.
• 35:12
  Natasha: Yeah.
• 35:12
  Natasha: Well, the same thing the app, uh, Notes app, So you can just into that little folder then, you can tag it with whatever you want.
• 35:19
  Natasha: it, it's normally easy to find in there.
• 35:21
  Natasha: Physical, um, receipts will fade though, Yes which
• 35:25
  video1851534941: the
• 35:25
  audioNatasha21851534941: that's annoying.
• 35:26
  audioNatasha21851534941: Um, now when comes to fuel though, I do wanna ask guys about this because I, I don't, I I
• 35:33
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: haven't really been tracking
• 35:34
  Natasha: my fuel as such.
• 35:35
  Natasha: I sort of just, when it gets to tax time, they'll be like,"How often do you drive?" Or something that, and guesstimate it.
• 35:42
  Natasha: I think we can...
• 35:43
  Natasha: I think there's better way of doing that.
• 35:44
  Natasha: So yeah.
• 35:45
  Natasha: It- Ta- Tash is Tell me." You're nodding.
• 35:47
  Natasha: Tash.
• 35:47
  Natasha: Tash, me, Go.
• 35:49
  Natasha: Okay.
• 35:49
  Natasha: so fuel specifically, um, I track every single journey I do any writing related, and I look at the on Maps, then I double it.
• 36:00
  Natasha: So going there and home, because tax, the think...
• 36:05
  Natasha: don't know.
• 36:05
  Natasha: know.
• 36:06
  Natasha: don't quote me I'm agent, something- like, they'll pay cents per kilometer have, um, used your car for business Yeah.
• 36:16
  Natasha: So definitely, definitely, definitely track of that.
• 36:20
  Natasha: are are you keeping that though?
• 36:21
  Natasha: you...
• 36:21
  Natasha: In Excel?
• 36:22
  Natasha: I spreadsheet.
• 36:23
  Natasha: Yep, I have a spreadsheet, and literally every time just put in, um, what kilometers then on that spreadsheet I also have anything I haven't...
• 36:35
  Natasha: That know, that made a, somehow made a payment that has...
• 36:40
  Natasha: okay, take back.
• 36:41
  Natasha: I do have a, an account for my work because I work myself in counseling and writing, I'm sole trader, that's another thing really about when you're setting up.
• 36:54
  Natasha: Like, people start a sole trader, I think.
• 36:57
  Natasha: I'm not a...
• 36:58
  Tina: This is not This
• 36:59
  Natasha: just I've been, I've we preface that we are not- Yeah financial advisors- accountants.
• 37:03
  Natasha: We are not advisors.
• 37:04
  Natasha: Yes.
• 37:04
  Natasha: So make sure you seek financial advice.
• 37:06
  Natasha: Exactly.
• 37:06
  Natasha: Don't on anything we're saying.
• 37:07
  Natasha: Yes.
• 37:08
  Natasha: This just for entertainment purposes.
• 37:10
  Natasha: A- and also to help each other, right?
• 37:12
  Natasha: 'Cause,
• 37:13
  Madeleine: 'Cause,'cause
• 37:13
  audioNatasha21851534941: then hear something that resonates you, you go
• 37:15
  Madeleine: check out yourself.
• 37:16
  Madeleine: Exactly.
• 37:17
  Madeleine: So,
• 37:17
  audioNatasha21851534941: um, I, yeah, I have come structure where
• 37:21
  Madeleine: had
• 37:21
  audioNatasha21851534941: a company another director'cause was do- running my business like that.
• 37:25
  Natasha: a lot of work.
• 37:26
  Natasha: So unless absolutely have don't think a great...
• 37:29
  Natasha: Like, me, it d-
• 37:30
  audioNatasha21851534941: didn't like it, so
• 37:31
  Natasha: I'm a sole trader now.
• 37:33
  Natasha: an account where I, of my money that earn writing
• 37:36
  Madeleine: and counseling
• 37:36
  Natasha: goes in.
• 37:38
  Natasha: All of my expenses, including, by the way, people, um, your accountant, but I've been told
• 37:45
  Madeleine: I claim
• 37:46
  Natasha: of my bill, do every month.
• 37:49
  Natasha: You can claim a
• 37:50
  Madeleine: of your internet if home, and
• 37:52
  Natasha: your electricity
• 37:54
  Madeleine: home.
• 37:55
  Madeleine: And you rent, you claim, and you work home,
• 37:59
  Natasha: portion of your rent.
• 38:01
  Natasha: Uh-huh.
• 38:03
  Madeleine: That's so interesting.
• 38:04
  Natasha: My accountant me check with yours.
• 38:06
  Madeleine: Mm.
• 38:06
  Natasha: Mm.
• 38:07
  Natasha: Mm.
• 38:09
  Natasha: So, um, I have of that this spreadsheet that, it doesn't capture, know, the actual bank expenses.
• 38:16
  Natasha: So expenses, I have a credit card that it looks like my, my bank statement is just one every month my card that I can just out that's personal, and then everything else is, um,
• 38:30
  Madeleine: Business just
• 38:32
  Natasha: there.
• 38:32
  Natasha: And with the receipts, I take a photo and I it myself because
• 38:36
  Madeleine: and
• 38:37
  Natasha: have the subject of date
• 38:40
  video1851534941: and
• 38:40
  audioNatasha21851534941: the place, chuck it in my tax receipts that
• 38:44
  Tina: emails Okay.
• 38:45
  Tina: Oh, that's good.
• 38:47
  Tina: Yeah.
• 38:48
  Tina: That's really good,
• 38:49
  audioNatasha21851534941: Tash
• 38:50
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Oh
• 38:51
  audioNatasha21851534941: and what I do every single day actually, because that's, that's I like to be organized, is especially when I'm seeing clients, I work out much I'm
• 39:00
  Natasha: earning that day and I work out much I'm into that
• 39:03
  Madeleine: day, that's I track what's
• 39:06
  Natasha: out
• 39:07
  Madeleine: Good- Wow, Tash
• 39:10
  audioNatasha21851534941: are best practice.
• 39:11
  audioNatasha21851534941: This is excellent.
• 39:13
  Madeleine: Excellent.
• 39:14
  audioNatasha21851534941: And
• 39:14
  Madeleine: okay, so couple things.
• 39:16
  audioNatasha21851534941: So on the,
• 39:16
  Madeleine: the,
• 39:17
  Natasha: um,
• 39:17
  Madeleine: the, the
• 39:18
  Natasha: kilometers driven, my
• 39:21
  Madeleine: accountant
• 39:21
  Natasha: told me, again,
• 39:22
  Madeleine: this is what my accountant me,
• 39:23
  Natasha: please
• 39:24
  Madeleine: seek your own advice,
• 39:25
  Natasha: but can to 10,000 kilometers- per year without- providing any,
• 39:32
  video1851534941: like,
• 39:33
  Natasha: receipts or
• 39:34
  audioNatasha21851534941: any record,
• 39:35
  Natasha: But you have to be able to justify that.
• 39:38
  audioNatasha21851534941: So as long as you Mm-hmm.
• 39:41
  Tina: Mm-hmm.
• 39:41
  video1851534941: yes, you have been driving
• 39:43
  Tina: that
• 39:44
  Madeleine: And, and for
• 39:45
  Tina: me, like,
• 39:46
  audioNatasha21851534941: of
• 39:47
  Tina: I'm definitely 10,000
• 39:48
  video1851534941: kilometers- Are you?
• 39:49
  video1851534941: all the time.
• 39:50
  video1851534941: Yeah.
• 39:50
  video1851534941: Well, I live in the bloody...
• 39:52
  video1851534941: I live in Upper Ferntree Gully.
• 39:53
  video1851534941: If
• 39:53
  Tina: I'm driving to Carlton
• 39:55
  audioNatasha21851534941: event and back- Mm, that's
• 39:57
  Tina: well
• 39:57
  video1851534941: over 100 kilometers.
• 39:58
  Natasha: So- Oh,
• 39:59
  Tina: okay.
• 40:00
  Tina: I was gonna say there's no clock
• 40:02
  Natasha: that.
• 40:03
  Tina: But yes, you're, see what
• 40:04
  audioNatasha21851534941: you're saying.
• 40:04
  audioNatasha21851534941: Yeah.
• 40:04
  audioNatasha21851534941: Yeah.
• 40:05
  audioNatasha21851534941: Mm.
• 40:05
  audioNatasha21851534941: And, and for the before I we
• 40:08
  Madeleine: Canberra, um,
• 40:10
  Natasha: I, I
• 40:10
  Madeleine: I had book launch in Ah, So we drove Canberra and Okay.
• 40:15
  Madeleine: So that was,
• 40:16
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: yeah, so-
• 40:17
  Natasha: uh,
• 40:17
  Madeleine: uh, then.
• 40:18
  Madeleine: So do that Like, if I was driving regionally, I
• 40:21
  Natasha: had, um, a
• 40:22
  Madeleine: events
• 40:22
  Natasha: in Ballarat,
• 40:23
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: I had events in Manian, and, um, and
• 40:26
  Natasha: I
• 40:26
  audioNatasha21851534941: could record
• 40:28
  Madeleine: to the 10,000 So
• 40:29
  audioNatasha21851534941: then over 10,000, what does your accountant say
• 40:32
  Natasha: happens?
• 40:32
  video1851534941: you you have to have
• 40:33
  Natasha: records that.
• 40:34
  Natasha: So, so- Like
• 40:35
  Madeleine: kind of records?
• 40:36
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: like what you're
• 40:37
  Natasha: So the- Okay the logs of the dial, the, the kilometers done.
• 40:42
  Natasha: Ah, All exactly what you're doing.
• 40:44
  Natasha: That best practice, Tash.
• 40:45
  Natasha: But someone like who's lazy and can't be bothered- you can up
• 40:51
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: as
• 40:51
  audioNatasha21851534941: long as you justify
• 40:52
  video1851534941: it.
• 40:53
  video1851534941: So
• 40:53
  Natasha: probably last financial year I could probably this time, so
• 40:57
  Madeleine: I'm gonna
• 40:58
  Natasha: do, an average.
• 40:59
  Natasha: But I look at, well, which events I have?
• 41:02
  Natasha: f- long, you know, I look on Google- how long was that?
• 41:05
  Natasha: And can again, this is what my told me.
• 41:09
  Natasha: Mm.
• 41:10
  Natasha: So that's That's interesting.
• 41:12
  Natasha: Mm.
• 41:12
  Natasha: There would totally be a, um, vehicle log.
• 41:17
  Natasha: Remember I used to write down a little...
• 41:18
  Natasha: there is.
• 41:19
  Natasha: just it- Yeah Google.
• 41:20
  Natasha: Mm.
• 41:20
  Natasha: There is, yeah.
• 41:20
  Natasha: Yeah.
• 41:21
  Natasha: a vehicle log.
• 41:21
  Natasha: I'm pretty sure you could probably photo there, and do it for you.
• 41:25
  Natasha: I think I might that in future- can?
• 41:27
  Natasha: Clever.
• 41:27
  Natasha: Yeah'cause probably can justify over 10,000 as well, like what driving.
• 41:32
  Natasha: Um, so- That's it yeah Yeah.
• 41:36
  Natasha: Okay.
• 41:37
  Natasha: can that will just quickly and very easily do that us.
• 41:41
  Natasha: Um, and same as receipts.
• 41:42
  Natasha: I know there is, I've seen the ads for them, and can take photo, um, the receipt and it of just all the words out and it, and logs it all you- Yep so you can- I, I checked my, my notice assessment.
• 41:53
  Natasha: Um, was
• 41:54
  Madeleine: worth a
• 41:56
  Natasha: reduction last year,...just those kilometers.
• 41:58
  Madeleine: Yeah.
• 41:59
  Madeleine: So
• 41:59
  video1851534941: a big one
• 41:59
  audioNatasha21851534941: creatives.
• 42:00
  audioNatasha21851534941: So- Mm.
• 42:01
  audioNatasha21851534941: definitely we do a
• 42:02
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: lot of
• 42:03
  audioNatasha21851534941: especially- Mm-hmm if you live
• 42:04
  Madeleine: in
• 42:04
  audioNatasha21851534941: a city.
• 42:04
  Natasha: Mm-hmm.
• 42:05
  Madeleine: know, you're doing So do- Yeah do it.
• 42:08
  Madeleine: driving
• 42:09
  Natasha: around
• 42:09
  Madeleine: to on tours and da, da, da, da.
• 42:10
  Madeleine: da, da.
• 42:11
  Madeleine: So,
• 42:12
  audioNatasha21851534941: And even other people's launches
• 42:14
  Natasha: yep, driving a That
• 42:16
  Madeleine: definitely, work, a, it's a business- um, thing you're so.
• 42:20
  Madeleine: Mm-hmm.
• 42:21
  Madeleine: Um, that's
• 42:22
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: really, really helpful.
• 42:23
  Madeleine: Do you a tracking software, do spreadsheet that you
• 42:27
  video1851534941: Uh, so I
• 42:28
  Natasha: don't track
• 42:29
  Madeleine: to the extent I know,
• 42:31
  Natasha: Like, know,
• 42:32
  audioNatasha21851534941: I'll...
• 42:33
  Natasha: I don't
• 42:33
  audioNatasha21851534941: track where I actually know how much I've spent over the course of six
• 42:37
  Natasha: months or a sense my tax returns, I know that I'm earn little that are I won't have a bill that I
• 42:46
  video1851534941: have
• 42:46
  Madeleine: to
• 42:47
  Natasha: That's good.
• 42:48
  Natasha: you do the, called BAS payments or B-A-S payments?
• 42:53
  Madeleine: So
• 42:53
  Natasha: with, um,
• 42:54
  Madeleine: those
• 42:55
  Natasha: quarterly BAS you only do them you're registered for GST, which
• 42:58
  Madeleine: not.
• 42:59
  Natasha: Okay.
• 42:59
  Madeleine: Um, and- So let's go So I'm not registered for GST, but I am considering registering this year.
• 43:05
  Natasha: You register for GST unless...
• 43:08
  Madeleine: my
• 43:08
  Natasha: accountant told me.
• 43:09
  Natasha: I have to keep re- phrasing that.
• 43:11
  Natasha: My
• 43:12
  Madeleine: accountant told that you cannot for GST unless you earn over$75,000.
• 43:18
  Madeleine: And in the old days, whatever, I don't
• 43:20
  Natasha: know what old days are, but at some point ATO let you it anyway.
• 43:26
  audioNatasha21851534941: they've of stopped that and you really need to be able to, like, show that you earn over that.
• 43:32
  audioNatasha21851534941: Because I think what people were doing was registering for GST and then getting a lot of money back, because how GST works is if you're paying GST and then you're receiving GST, they do like a, you know, how much have you earned via GST, how much have you paid via GST?
• 43:47
  audioNatasha21851534941: most people like us, well, me, don't earn that much money,
• 43:52
  video1851534941: I
• 43:52
  audioNatasha21851534941: would
• 43:53
  Natasha: more GST than I earn, so I get it back.
• 43:56
  Natasha: So I think- So nice little thing in the end.
• 43:58
  Natasha: I that's probably why they've gone more.
• 44:00
  Natasha: have to earning
• 44:01
  Madeleine: over this.
• 44:02
  Natasha: That's interesting,'cause my accountant
• 44:03
  Madeleine: said it,
• 44:04
  Natasha: might be worthwhile to, to just
• 44:06
  Madeleine: register even if don't own that 70- Ah.
• 44:10
  Madeleine: I did
• 44:10
  Natasha: ask mine.
• 44:11
  Natasha: I was like, And she
• 44:12
  Madeleine: was like,
• 44:12
  video1851534941: No."
• 44:13
  Natasha: Okay.
• 44:14
  Natasha: the thing.
• 44:14
  Natasha: That's Okay.
• 44:15
  Natasha: That's financial
• 44:16
  audioNatasha21851534941: advice that.
• 44:17
  audioNatasha21851534941: But it's important to whether
• 44:19
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: you
• 44:20
  Natasha: be registering,
• 44:21
  Madeleine: if
• 44:22
  Natasha: you're invoice...
• 44:23
  audioNatasha21851534941: So that's another
• 44:23
  Natasha: thing we have as owners is invoice
• 44:26
  Tina: to, for events that we're Mm-hmm.
• 44:28
  Tina: Speakers,
• 44:28
  Madeleine: appearance and stuff.
• 44:29
  Madeleine: Um, you always to,
• 44:32
  Natasha: if you
• 44:33
  Madeleine: a re- a GST registered sole trader
• 44:35
  Natasha: Yes on ABN, add in an extra,
• 44:38
  Madeleine: have add in
• 44:39
  Natasha: GST on top- Exactly
• 44:41
  Madeleine: speaker's fee.
• 44:41
  Madeleine: So when you're your
• 44:42
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: fee, it's this is my fee
• 44:44
  Madeleine: plus
• 44:45
  audioNatasha21851534941: Plus GST.
• 44:46
  audioNatasha21851534941: And so on my
• 44:47
  Madeleine: invoices,
• 44:47
  Natasha: because registered, I, I make,
• 44:49
  Madeleine: write,
• 44:50
  Natasha: Same
• 44:50
  Madeleine: No been
• 44:52
  video1851534941: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Madeleine: Exactly.
• 44:53
  Madeleine: Exactly.
• 44:53
  Natasha: an accountant even
• 44:54
  Madeleine: told me, I was submitting
• 44:56
  video1851534941: an
• 44:57
  Madeleine: to, was a
• 44:58
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: library, and it came back
• 44:59
  Natasha: to because I up tax invoice.
• 45:02
  video1851534941: I'd called it- Yes a tax invoice.
• 45:04
  video1851534941: He said to me,
• 45:05
  Natasha: "Please re- remove word tax." Invoice.
• 45:07
  Natasha: Yeah.
• 45:08
  Natasha: Well, no
• 45:09
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: tax.
• 45:09
  Madeleine: call it invoice.
• 45:10
  Madeleine: right.
• 45:11
  Madeleine: That's what to do.
• 45:11
  Madeleine: registered for GST, so- right you return that?
• 45:14
  Madeleine: So-
• 45:14
  audioNatasha21851534941: So
• 45:15
  Madeleine: Yeah, I found to be really interesting.
• 45:18
  audioNatasha21851534941: Mm-hmm.
• 45:19
  Madeleine: and the c- tax, the, so BAS payments are interesting too,'cause I've no- I even think about this, but you
• 45:24
  Natasha: are earning bit money, it, it is probably worth setting your business you are what it means that
• 45:30
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: you're
• 45:30
  Madeleine: paying tax
• 45:32
  audioNatasha21851534941: quarterly,
• 45:33
  Madeleine: um, so you're- Okay, so just on
• 45:35
  audioNatasha21851534941: go.
• 45:35
  audioNatasha21851534941: Yes The BAS is
• 45:36
  Madeleine: the BAS is your tax.
• 45:38
  Madeleine: BAS
• 45:38
  Natasha: just for Oh.
• 45:40
  Natasha: If you you have to set s- I only know this'cause I had this structure before.
• 45:46
  Natasha: The BAS have to do of
• 45:48
  Madeleine: GST component.
• 45:49
  Natasha: Your tax is a separate thing that can speak accountant
• 45:53
  Madeleine: about up so
• 45:54
  audioNatasha21851534941: you do pay as you go.
• 45:55
  Madeleine: Okay.
• 45:56
  Madeleine: You can do separate.
• 45:56
  Madeleine: 'Cause I think the pay as you go is probably for that where cash is issue, otherwise they might liable
• 46:01
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: massive bill at the
• 46:02
  Natasha: the end- That's of the financial year.
• 46:03
  Natasha: That's Yes.
• 46:03
  Natasha: Especially had
• 46:04
  Madeleine: you know, if or had
• 46:06
  audioNatasha21851534941: a, um, um, their, their
• 46:09
  Natasha: been optioned and they've been given, you know- Yeah
• 46:11
  audioNatasha21851534941: a pretty nice substantial of
• 46:13
  Madeleine: of money
• 46:13
  Natasha: over in
• 46:14
  audioNatasha21851534941: financial year.
• 46:15
  audioNatasha21851534941: can be a huge thing.
• 46:16
  audioNatasha21851534941: Yes, yes.
• 46:18
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Let's
• 46:18
  audioNatasha21851534941: we all- So they're two separate actually know the
• 46:19
  Madeleine: answer to this the
• 46:21
  audioNatasha21851534941: coming
• 46:21
  Madeleine: years because we'll need it from all our big Hopefully.
• 46:26
  Natasha: Exactly.
• 46:27
  Madeleine: So- Um, but Mads- Yes can can I ask a question?
• 46:29
  Madeleine: You, you, you a term before we started recording.
• 46:32
  Madeleine: Yes,
• 46:32
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: income
• 46:33
  audioNatasha21851534941: averaging.
• 46:34
  audioNatasha21851534941: What
• 46:34
  Madeleine: that?
• 46:35
  Natasha: Okay, so I this up.
• 46:37
  Natasha: Um, and something actually considering, gonna ask my accountant about this year.
• 46:43
  Natasha: Um,
• 46:44
  audioNatasha21851534941: only creatives, if
• 46:45
  Madeleine: you're
• 46:46
  audioNatasha21851534941: s- if you're set
• 46:47
  Madeleine: up in ATO,
• 46:47
  video1851534941: have
• 46:47
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: to be a special professional
• 46:49
  video1851534941: in the ATO.
• 46:50
  Madeleine: That's your- Professional that's really nice special professional.
• 46:54
  Madeleine: professional.
• 46:54
  Madeleine: That you, um, uh,
• 46:56
  Natasha: that makes you different
• 46:57
  Madeleine: from a'cause, uh,
• 46:59
  Natasha: the ATO sees some writers hobbyists aren't- Oh
• 47:02
  audioNatasha21851534941: aren't,
• 47:02
  Natasha: that are earning, small
• 47:04
  audioNatasha21851534941: amount
• 47:04
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: of
• 47:04
  Natasha: money, a special professional,
• 47:06
  video1851534941: know, who, we are
• 47:07
  Natasha: are all professionals.
• 47:08
  Madeleine: if a
• 47:08
  Natasha: creative,
• 47:09
  video1851534941: you can use this thing called income averaging, which means that if, like
• 47:15
  Natasha: that
• 47:15
  Tina: where get that huge
• 47:17
  audioNatasha21851534941: advance that an
• 47:19
  Tina: or whatever, but, uh, then the ATO averages over a five-year period so you don't pay as much tax that particular Oh,
• 47:27
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: year
• 47:28
  Tina: Oh,
• 47:29
  video1851534941: wow.
• 47:30
  audioNatasha21851534941: Yeah.
• 47:31
  audioNatasha21851534941: even knew that
• 47:32
  Tina: That's good.
• 47:33
  Tina: Yep, and something that's available all creatives.
• 47:37
  Tina: but Mm seek financial advice- on that.
• 47:39
  Tina: And I think
• 47:40
  Natasha: you're gonna access that, then
• 47:42
  audioNatasha21851534941: go through
• 47:43
  Natasha: an accountant a specialized
• 47:44
  Tina: who about income averaging and do
• 47:47
  Natasha: So,
• 47:47
  Tina: um, is
• 47:48
  video1851534941: a question for
• 47:49
  Madeleine: an accountant, but what you've understood, you it more than
• 47:52
  Tina: Yeah.
• 47:53
  Tina: You can do it-
• 47:54
  Natasha: year.
• 47:54
  Natasha: Yeah.
• 47:54
  Natasha: And so
• 47:55
  Tina: it
• 47:55
  audioNatasha21851534941: just, it's
• 47:56
  Tina: special thing
• 47:57
  Madeleine: that look at.
• 47:58
  Madeleine: just average that out,
• 48:00
  Natasha: you pay tax,
• 48:01
  Madeleine: and
• 48:01
  Natasha: then,
• 48:02
  Madeleine: th-
• 48:03
  Natasha: there's implications for following
• 48:04
  Tina: years, of course, like it's averaged.
• 48:07
  Tina: Um, but
• 48:07
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: it helps
• 48:08
  Natasha: little bit
• 48:10
  video1851534941: As a writer, so you're not paying a huge amount of tax- Yeah one year, and then the
• 48:13
  Tina: next you're,
• 48:14
  video1851534941: you know, minus- Mm whatever.
• 48:15
  video1851534941: Mm.
• 48:15
  video1851534941: Mm.
• 48:16
  video1851534941: So just, you
• 48:17
  Tina: know, because
• 48:18
  audioNatasha21851534941: and creatives, income is consistent
• 48:20
  Natasha: a salary.
• 48:21
  Natasha: It's always have its- That's right and Yeah.
• 48:23
  Natasha: Mm-hmm.
• 48:23
  Natasha: Yeah.
• 48:24
  Madeleine: so I was, really
• 48:25
  Natasha: interesting.
• 48:26
  Natasha: So- Mm.
• 48:27
  Natasha: Yeah,
• 48:27
  audioNatasha21851534941: it is.
• 48:27
  audioNatasha21851534941: I'd never even heard of that, thank you
• 48:29
  Natasha: The other Shelley Burr actually my social She said, her post
• 48:35
  video1851534941: is available
• 48:36
  Natasha: if people can look at and I'm sure she won't mind me mentioning on the podcast.
• 48:40
  Madeleine: Her don't register yourself as a company,
• 48:44
  Natasha: 'Cause a- apparently some early advice to register of a, a company instead of a
• 48:49
  Madeleine: sole
• 48:50
  Natasha: trader,
• 48:51
  Madeleine: Mm-hmm.
• 48:51
  Natasha: lost
• 48:51
  Madeleine: lot of over her own tax.
• 48:54
  Madeleine: Mm.
• 48:54
  Madeleine: And she said she was applying for a mortgage, and she to get
• 48:58
  Natasha: tax return submitted, and it had
• 48:59
  Madeleine: be but, um,
• 49:01
  Natasha: you
• 49:01
  Madeleine: she do because it has to be done
• 49:03
  Natasha: by a tax professional if, you're in a company, was a massive thing for her to unpick.
• 49:08
  Natasha: So before go, it set, if you were emerging writer and been offered a contract,
• 49:13
  Madeleine: you have
• 49:14
  video1851534941: have an ABN.
• 49:15
  video1851534941: It, you, you, you, you have to get an ABN number.
• 49:19
  video1851534941: This is if you're an Australian writer.
• 49:21
  video1851534941: Um,
• 49:22
  Natasha: do
• 49:22
  video1851534941: maybe
• 49:23
  Madeleine: seek
• 49:23
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: some
• 49:23
  video1851534941: advice from
• 49:24
  Natasha: your accountant you st- set yourself you don't an ABN already.
• 49:28
  Natasha: Um, yeah, I think
• 49:30
  video1851534941: probably wise to just get some advice about
• 49:33
  Natasha: it
• 49:34
  video1851534941: Mm-hmm.
• 49:35
  video1851534941: Yeah.
• 49:35
  video1851534941: And
• 49:35
  Natasha: it's really easy do get an ABN.
• 49:38
  Natasha: like, word of warning for everyone, like, if, if you type in, uh, register for ABN into Google, like, the first five listings not the actual government ABN website.
• 49:49
  Natasha: don't know dodgy they are or they eventually you the right one, but they're not legit ones.
• 49:55
  Natasha: So be mindful.
• 49:57
  Natasha: choose the government one the government yeah.
• 49:59
  Natasha: don't, free to apply If, if someone's- Yeah asking you to pay Nothing sh- Yeah.
• 50:04
  Natasha: Yeah.
• 50:05
  Natasha: Don't pay money.
• 50:05
  Natasha: Yeah.
• 50:05
  Natasha: They're And, and look, it happen anyone I have say, here's little side can how easy this, happen.
• 50:12
  Natasha: I was trying to register my son
• 50:14
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: for his birth certificate, and he was probably, I think he was, like, three days old or four days old
• 50:21
  video1851534941: and I was online
• 50:22
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: registering a birth certificate, and paid money for this birth certificate.
• 50:26
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: And then afterwards was like, I don't think, I don't..." And this was in my sleepy, sleepy newborn baby, new mom phase, and I was just like,"I don't think...
• 50:35
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: That didn't look right.
• 50:36
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: That didn't sound right." And sure enough,
• 50:40
  video1851534941: I'd
• 50:40
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: just totally been And it's so, like, I would never do that normally.
• 50:43
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: I'm so up on all these things.
• 50:44
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: But, you know, new moms, just don't try and do that sort of thing.
• 50:48
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Get someone else to do it for you or wait a little while because, or, you know, these things happen, and they, they make it look very legit.
• 50:54
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Anyway,
• 50:54
  video1851534941: Anyway, they took my money, That, okay, don't give money- for government things
• 50:59
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: that are free.
• 50:59
  video1851534941: No.
• 51:00
  video1851534941: Is that
• 51:00
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: your top tip today, Tina?
• 51:02
  video1851534941: top tip, yeah.
• 51:03
  video1851534941: I love that.
• 51:04
  video1851534941: Don't do things when you're sleep-deprived, yeah Um,
• 51:08
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: also,
• 51:08
  video1851534941: on social media, I did get a whole bunch of recommendations
• 51:11
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: of,
• 51:11
  video1851534941: creative accountants.
• 51:13
  video1851534941: I will add tho- those to
• 51:14
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: the show notes for this
• 51:15
  video1851534941: week's episode- Mm for those who are interested.
• 51:16
  video1851534941: I was gonna say, that's actually
• 51:18
  audioNatasha21851534941: quite an important one to get an accountant who understands creative industry because, you know, just I remember just Mads from, and Tina from our, like, Discord chat as well,
• 51:28
  video1851534941: like
• 51:28
  audioNatasha21851534941: the amount of information that people were sharing about what their accountants have told them they
• 51:32
  video1851534941: and can't do.
• 51:32
  video1851534941: Yeah.
• 51:33
  video1851534941: So
• 51:33
  audioNatasha21851534941: just, just check out if your accountant knows
• 51:36
  video1851534941: not,
• 51:37
  audioNatasha21851534941: just because they're an accountant
• 51:38
  video1851534941: mean they
• 51:38
  audioNatasha21851534941: might know this industry specifically.
• 51:41
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: And it is very specialized,
• 51:43
  audioNatasha21851534941: It is,
• 51:43
  video1851534941: Yes.
• 51:44
  video1851534941: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
• 51:44
  video1851534941: Is that your
• 51:44
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: top tip,
• 51:45
  video1851534941: Tash?
• 51:46
  audioNatasha21851534941: Yes, it is.
• 51:47
  video1851534941: Excellent.
• 51:47
  video1851534941: And mine is
• 51:48
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: to, to finish, is the advice that we got
• 51:52
  video1851534941: social media, which was just be organized, everyone.
• 51:55
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: Don't leave
• 51:55
  video1851534941: to the last minute.
• 51:56
  video1851534941: I, I, I didn't leave it to the
• 51:58
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: last minute.
• 51:59
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: I'd done about six months worth of
• 52:01
  video1851534941: receipt and tracking, so I only had the last
• 52:04
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: six months.
• 52:05
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: But I had multiple It was,
• 52:06
  video1851534941: I had expenses on multiple cards, and so- Mm including cards that I'd since canceled
• 52:11
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: And it,
• 52:13
  video1851534941: took
• 52:13
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: me half a day on Friday to go through each of the transactions and to
• 52:17
  video1851534941: find out what it was, and then work out
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: what it was.
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: Don't be me, everybody.
• 52:21
  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: That's my top tip
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  audioNatasha21851534941: When you said that, I just had this horrible
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  video1851534941: feeling.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: I'm,"Oh, God."
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: Probably gonna get audit- I'm gonna get audited now.
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: No.
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  audioMadeleineCleary11851534941: ATO, if you're listening, uh, I, I was
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  video1851534941: diligent.
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  video1851534941: She did it all.
• 52:37
  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Yeah.
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  video1851534941: She's all good.
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  video1851534941: Thanks, ladies.
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  audioTinaStrachan31851534941: Aw, thanks so much for
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  video1851534941: chat.
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  audioNatasha21851534941: Thank you
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