Latest / The Vault: The Epstein Files / Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 12) (5/16/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
- 0:04In this episode, we're going to keep things rolling with
- 0:06a Glain Maxwell deposition. McCauley, did you issue a statement
- 0:12redacted in twenty fifteen stating that Virginia Roberts claims were
- 0:17quote unquote obvious lies? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
- 0:22and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer, Maxwell. You need
- 0:27to reask me the question. McCauley. Sure. Did you issue
- 0:31a press statement redacted in January of twenty fifteen stating
- 0:35that Virginia Roberts claims were quote obvious lies? Mister Pagliuca,
- 0:41objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you
- 0:44ask it in a different way, McCauley. I will ask
- 0:47it again and you can listen carefully. Did you issue
- 0:51a press statement redacted in January twenty fifteen where you
- 0:56stated that Virginia Roberts claims were quote obvious lies. Mister
- 1:00Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, So
- 1:05my lawyer redacted instructed or redacted to issue a statement
- 1:09McCauley today, did you say that Virginia lied about quote
- 1:14absolutely everything? Maxwell? I said that there are some things
- 1:18she may not have lied about. McCauley. So, are you
- 1:20saying it's an obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in
- 1:24sexual contact with Virginia while Virginia was under age? Mister Pagliuca,
- 1:29objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, can you
- 1:33ask the question again, please, McCauley. Are you saying it's
- 1:37an obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in sexual conduct
- 1:40with Virginia while Virginia was under age? Mister Pagliuca, objection
- 1:45to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer Maxwell.
- 1:50Try again, please, McCauley. Are you saying that it's an
- 1:53obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in sexual conduct with
- 1:57Virginia while Virginia was underage? Pagliuca objection to form and foundation.
- 2:03Maxwell again, I'm telling you, first of all, it was
- 2:06a statement that was issued by my lawyer and through
- 2:09my lawyer redacted. McCauley, I understand that I'm asking you.
- 2:13Are you saying that it's an obvious lie that Jeffrey
- 2:16Epstein engaged in sexual conduct with Virginia while Virginia was
- 2:21under age? Is that a lie? Mister Pagliuca, objection to
- 2:25the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer, Maxwell, so,
- 2:30I cannot testify to what redacted and redacted decided to put.
- 2:35I can testify to what Virginia's obvious lies are as
- 2:38regards to me. I cannot make representations about all the
- 2:42many lives she may or may not have told about
- 2:44Jeffrey McCauley. So is Virginia lying when she says it's
- 2:49an obvious lie when she says that she had sex
- 2:52with Jeffrey Epstein while she was under age? Mister Pagliuca,
- 2:57objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell again, I'm
- 3:02testifying to what I know to be true. I can
- 3:05only testify to all the many lies she told about me.
- 3:08I cannot testify to what lies she told about somebody else.
- 3:12Given she told so many about me, one can probably
- 3:15infer she's lying about everything. McAuley, So you think she's
- 3:20lying when she said she had sex with Jeffrey Epstein
- 3:23when she was under age? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the
- 3:26form and the foundation. Maxwell again, I can only talk
- 3:31about what I know and what I can positively say
- 3:34for myself, not what somebody else is going to represent McCauley.
- 3:39When you were saying that she was her claims of
- 3:41having sex with Jeffrey Epstein or obvious lies? Are you
- 3:45saying she is lying about engaging in sexual conduct with
- 3:48Jeffrey Epstein while she was under the age. Mister Pagliuca,
- 3:52objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can
- 3:56answer Maxwell again, this was a statement that was put
- 4:00out from my lawyer redacted. And I can only testify
- 4:04the obvious lies that she says about me. I cannot
- 4:08make representations about lies she says about somebody else. But
- 4:12she lies so many times about me, one can probably
- 4:15infer she is lying about everything, McCauley. So is she
- 4:19not lying? When is she telling the truth when she
- 4:22says she had sex with Jeffrey Epstein when she was underage?
- 4:26Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell again,
- 4:31I don't know how else to say this. I can
- 4:33only talk about what I know to be true. What
- 4:36I know is her story about how she claims that
- 4:39initial situation happened is so egregiously false and such a giant, fat, enormous, repulsive,
- 4:45disgusting inappropriate, vile lie that I can testify to. McCauley.
- 4:50Was she lying when she said she met you at
- 4:52mar A Lago? Maxwell, Again, I already testified I don't
- 4:57recall meeting her at mar A Lago McAuley. We showed
- 5:00you a document where you said you met her at
- 5:03mar A Lago when she was seventeen? Is that correct,
- 5:06mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
- 5:11I think I already testified to that what I remembered
- 5:14based on all the rubbish she has written and all
- 5:17the many articles I have read. Maybe in the moment
- 5:19when I wrote that have caused me to have a
- 5:22reflection on that, but I don't recall it as I
- 5:24sit here today, McCauley, are you saying that it was
- 5:29an obvious lie that you approached Virginia while she was
- 5:32under age at mar A Lago? Mister Pagliuka, objection to
- 5:36the form and the foundation. Maxwell. First of all, we
- 5:39can all agree here, all of you sitting here, that
- 5:42the lies that you perpetrated in the press that she
- 5:45was fifteen, and we should all agree now that that
- 5:48is fake, a lie that was perpetrated between all of
- 5:51you to make the story more exciting. Can we agree
- 5:54on that, McCauley, That's not my question. Maxwell. Can we
- 5:58agree she was not the age she said, and you
- 6:00put that in the press. That is obviously manifestly, absolutely
- 6:04totally a lie. McCauley, I'm going to put on the
- 6:08record Miss Maxwell very inappropriately and very harshly pounded our
- 6:13law firm table in an inappropriate manner. I asked she'd
- 6:17take a deep breath and calm down. I know this
- 6:19is a difficult position, but physical assault or threats is
- 6:23not appropriate. So no pounding, no stomping. No, that's not appropriate. Maxwell.
- 6:28Can we be clear I didn't threaten anybody. Pagliuca, stop,
- 6:33you made your record. There is no dent in the table.
- 6:35I don't see any chips. Can we take a break now, McCauley,
- 6:39I think it's appropriate to take a break. So they
- 6:42take a break for roughly thirty minutes, and then they
- 6:46get back and it's right back at it, miss McCauley,
- 6:50Miss Maxwell, how old was Virginia Roberts when you met
- 6:53her in mar A Lago? Pagliuca objection to the form
- 6:57and the foundation, Maxwell, I know today that she was
- 7:01seventeen years old. McCauley, are you saying that it's an
- 7:04obvious lie that Virginia traveled on Jeffrey Epstein's aeroplane? Mister Pagliuca,
- 7:09objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer. Maxwell.
- 7:14Are you referring to my statement where that says that McCauley,
- 7:19I'm referring to the language you use in your statement
- 7:21that says obvious lies. Maxwell? Can you read my entire statement? McCauley, sure.
- 7:27Let me pass it out Maxwell. Exhibit ten email marked
- 7:31for identification. McCauley, this is the Baits GM zero zero
- 7:36zero six eight, and we will mark it as What
- 7:39you have in front of you is a statement. At
- 7:41the top, this was produced by your council. It is
- 7:45indicated BAITS number GM zero zero zero six eight at
- 7:48the top the date reflects January TEWOD twenty fifteen from
- 7:53appears to be a redacted redacted subject line is you.
- 7:58And then there is a number of individuals you can
- 8:00see at the top that are copied on this and
- 8:03it is sent to BC Seed. On this statement the statement,
- 8:07there are two parts of it. There is an opening
- 8:09email that says please find and attach quotable statement on
- 8:13behalf of miss Maxwell, and there is more language there,
- 8:16and it's from redacted. And then it says in the
- 8:18body of it, Jane Doe number three or Jane Doe
- 8:21number three is Virginia Roberts, so not a new individual.
- 8:25The allegations made by and it says Victoria, but I
- 8:29believe that means Virginia Roberts against Glai Maxwell are not true.
- 8:34The original allegations are not new and have been fully
- 8:37responded to and shown to be untrue. And the next
- 8:41paragraph says, each time the story is retold, it changes
- 8:45with new salacious details about public figures and world leaders.
- 8:49And now it is alleged by miss Roberts that redacted
- 8:53is involved in having sexual relations with her, which he denies.
- 8:57Miss roberts claims are obvious lies and should be treated
- 9:01as such and not publicized as news as they are defamatory.
- 9:06The last paragraph states Glenn Maxwell's original response to the
- 9:09lies and defamatory claims remains the same. Maxwell strongly denies
- 9:15allegations of the allegations of an unsavory nature which have
- 9:19appeared in the British press and elsewhere, and reserves are
- 9:22right to seek redress at the repetition of such old
- 9:26defamatory claims. Are you saying that it's an obvious lie
- 9:30that Virginia Roberts traveled on Epstein's planes? Mister Pagliuca, objection
- 9:35to the form and the foundation. Maxwell. I'm saying that
- 9:40it's an obvious lie, and I think we can all agree.
- 9:43You just had the case tossed out by or adacted.
- 9:46He just got removed from the case because you put
- 9:48him in a case that he wasn't supposed to be in,
- 9:51so what was said about him is not true. McCauley.
- 9:55Are you saying that it's an obvious lie that Virginia
- 9:58Roberts traveled on Jeffrey Epstein's plane, Mister Paglayuka, objection to
- 10:03the form and the foundation. Maxwell. You have given me
- 10:07plane records that was her name on it, but as
- 10:10I already testified, those aren't federally mandated things, and I
- 10:15can see her name on it, but that's what I
- 10:17told you. I don't recall her on the plane. McCauley.
- 10:22Is this one of Virginia's obvious lies? Maxwell? There are
- 10:26more obvious ones, McCauley. Is that one of them? Maxwell,
- 10:30I cannot testify to her being on a plane or not, McCauley,
- 10:34so is that an obvious lie? Maxwell? There are more
- 10:37obvious lies, like redacted McCauley. I understand that there are
- 10:42more obvious ones. I'm asking you, is the fact that
- 10:45she said she traveled on Epstein's planes an obvious lie? Maxwell?
- 10:50I think we probably say because you see her name
- 10:52on a plane record and she went for me to
- 10:54be that would not be the obvious lie that I
- 10:57would pick. McCauley, What obvious lily were you picking when
- 11:01you made this statement? Maxwell? There are so many that
- 11:05I would be thrilled to go through all of them. Mcaulay.
- 11:08Let's go through them, all right, folks. We're gonna wrap
- 11:10up this episode right here on that cliffhanger, and in
- 11:13the next episode we'll pick up where we left off.
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