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Get To Know NASCAR YouTube Sensation Eric Estepp! · Kenny Wallace Media

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  Every once in awhile, somebody pops up on your radar and it
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  makes you look at him and go, wow, I never knew about this
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  guy. He's incredible.
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  And then I did more studying. He is truly an artist.
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  Eric. Esep.
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  Eric, welcome to Kenny Conversation.
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  Hey thank you so much for having me Kenny.
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  That was a a very kind intro. I am I'm excited to be here I
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  because I've watched your YouTube channel for the past
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  couple years. Obviously I've watched you on TV
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  growing up and but watching your channel I see you're talking to
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  Kyle Busch, Kyle Larson, you know, Danica Patrick, stars of
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  the sport. When you first messaged me on
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  Twitter I was had to double check and make sure it was the
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  real Kenny Wallace. Cuz I'm like that, I I hope, I
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  hope I can bring some fun perspective, something
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  interesting to the show, because those are some tough acts to
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  follow. Well, you know, I did a lot of
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  racing with them and this show, you know, the Kenny Wallace show
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  was not my idea. It was Charlie's and I moved
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  from North Carolina back home. And Charlie was working at
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  Channel 2, and he quit Channel 2 and he said, let me start you a
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  YouTube show. And I said no, you know, like a
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  month later, he asked me again. And so here we are.
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  But listen, Eric, it's all about you #1.
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  There's so much to talk about. But your logo, that thing's
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  really good. You know, logos are very
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  important when you start something.
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  Did you create your own logo? So I guess I have two logos.
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  You're talking about the face? Yeah, the face.
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  The face. Yeah, so I took a photo of
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  myself and then just, yeah, change the colors around to make
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  it black and yellow because those have always been my show
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  colors. I think it pops.
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  And there was a stretch, you know, a few years ago where I
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  realized if I want to do YouTube full time, at some point I I'm
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  going to have to be more of the brand, I guess, than just the
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  things I talk about. And so I'm like, what better way
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  than to quite literally make my face the logo?
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  And that's how that's how it came to be.
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  Well, let me say this, you are an incredible artist.
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  Listen to this. You are the number one NASCAR
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  creator on YouTube. You you are the best.
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  Now listeners Dale Junior. But Junior's got an army and and
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  listen, he's a dear friend of mine, everybody knows that.
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  But buddy, you're sitting there doing all this stuff yourself.
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  And when I say you're an artist, you created your show, which is
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  called Out of the Groove. It's dedicated to all things
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  NASCAR. You have 136 million views and
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  and one more thing, you have 225,000 subscribers and I'm
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  thinking you did all that yourself, Did you?
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  I mean, no, absolutely not all myself Now from a technical
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  standpoint, I mean, it's me on camera.
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  I like this. The setting I edit, I do most,
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  all my own research. But yeah, I've had folks over
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  the years, whether it's been, you know, bouncing ideas off of
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  them, working on larger projects like, you know, I've had my face
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  on a NASCAR Xfinity Series car before, that kind of stuff I
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  could not do on my own. I've had some other people help
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  me with bigger projects like that that have taken things I
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  think to that next level. But when I first started the
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  show I do now, I was just, you know, in College in my dorm
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  room, I had a stranger as a roommate and anytime he wasn't
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  in the room like out of class or something, I would fire up the
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  camera and just talk. And so it's still in very many
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  ways is that you're just, you know, from a technical
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  standpoint, that's what it is. But no, from other folks, from
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  my parents who supported me through this journey when I told
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  them that, hey, I graduate college, you know, and they're
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  like, you know, what are you going to do?
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  I'm like, I'm going to commit to this YouTube thing full time and
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  just see what happens, see where it goes.
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  And they support it. I I guess that they figured he,
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  he must know what he's doing if he's this confident about it.
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  And so it wouldn't be possible without a lot of folks like that
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  in my life. I I mean this.
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  You're unique. And I mean that in a good way.
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  You know some people he's unique.
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  Meaning he's weird. But you're not.
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  You're not weird. I keep going back to the word
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  artist and here's why as I as I studied up on you last night.
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  You're brave. You you went to work at Disney
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  and and there's a there's a picture there of you working.
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  What is it? The Tower of Terror.
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  I did do that. And and that and that picture is
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  like it's down on the floor. And I do want to talk about you
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  being very tall, but when did you work at Disney and what made
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  you go to work there? That was a few years ago is when
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  I was in college. I just went for a few months.
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  I thought it'd be fun. I I've always, you know I I went
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  to school to study filmmaking and so I've always enjoyed you
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  know visual storytelling and things like that and you know
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  Disney a lot of those theme parks it all is just telling one
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  big story. So I figured why not you get to
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  go hang out at the parks for a few months during your downtime
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  and it was a a weird experience but especially to look back.
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  Now. What I do now it and really no
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  way shape or form correlates to what I do now but it was it was
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  fun And yes being I'm 6 foot seven so being tall and working
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  at an attraction like the Tower of Terror worked in my advantage
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  for sure. Exactly where I was going with
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  that. That's what I mean by being an
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  artist, you know, Tower of Terror.
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  You're tall, you got the long trench coat on.
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  I'm like this this guy. It is is incredible when I got
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  to be honest, out of everything you've done, you know, I'm into
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  psychology. I've been to sports therapy, so
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  I can be the best I can be. All the NASCAR drivers.
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  Now take sports psychologist. You know, so people don't get
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  you. US racers are already we're
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  ready to fight, you know what I mean?
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  And I study people and you were very unique and I just admire
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  you. And another thing, I watch your
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  shows. Sometimes in life, it all comes
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  together. You have a great style, your
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  voice and the way you deliver. Was that mistake or did you
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  practice that? I don't know if I I guess I
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  practice by doing it. Over the years I used to talk
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  way too fast. I used to stumble over myself
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  more. Just me too.
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  Me too. Well I The thing is I I'm so
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  self-conscious about it. I I edit a lot of my, you know
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  mistakes out. You'll see a lot of jump cuts
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  and that comes from I think just early days of YouTube.
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  See I grew up in the as YouTube was booming and a lot of
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  Youtubers I watched. It was quick.
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  It was fast-paced. You have to keep the audience
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  engaged because you're right there on the side.
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  Even people watching this video there's a ton of other things
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  they could click on right there on screen most likely.
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  And so how do you keep them locked in?
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  Quick, quick, quick, get to the point get to the point quickly.
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  So you know it's been practice over the years.
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  I grew up watching sports shows. Like every morning before school
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  I would watch the previous night's, you know, midnight
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  edition of Sports Center. When I got home from school I'd
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  watch other shows on ESPN, Fox Sports One, Shoot.
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  I watched, you know Speed Channel and and what during on
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  Fridays and Saturdays I'd watch all the NASCAR pre race and
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  stuff. And so I grew up just all around
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  sports and and again I like filmmaking and TV.
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  So I kind of just always enjoyed that stuff and was able to sort
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  of marry the two together when I started this show.
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  But it took, I mean it took years I guess to get to where
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  I'm at now and I'm still not great at it.
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  Which is again, why you see so many edits and cuts to hide the
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  imperfections, I suppose. Well, I would say this.
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  I race a lot still and I have family that come up to me, a mom
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  or dad, and they say my kid is 13 years old, he's won 8
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  championships, He is going to be the next Cal Larson.
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  And I tell them I say get in line, get in line because
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  there's way more of that all over America.
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  And that's what I'm saying. And I saw about you.
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  I'm thinking to myself, there are so many YouTube creators,
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  this is a crowded space, but yet you stood out to me.
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  So you basically to everybody that wants to be like you.
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  How did you become this person? I mean, you said early that your
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  mom and dad said you want to do this.
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  How did you become this person? That's that's a great question.
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  I I do think sometimes timing is everything that's that way.
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  I'm sure in racing as well, when opportunities, you know, may
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  fall in your lap or may go away, I I think I got in early enough
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  that it was still a crowded space for sure, but it wasn't
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  nearly as crowded as it is now. I see so many folks on on just
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  the NASCAR side of the YouTube space sharing their opinions,
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  going to race tracks, documenting their experience.
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  And it's great. It's great to have you because
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  the more voices in the sport, the more opinions they're out
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  are out there and the more things for fans to engage with
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  Monday through Friday especially.
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  But I think when I just started there weren't a ton.
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  So that helped kind of being one of the early adopters to YouTube
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  was a big deal. But other than that, I I don't
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  know. I guess I think I I stood out in
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  some ways because I was a younger fan.
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  Most of the folks on YouTube creating content are younger
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  typically. But you know, at that time the
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  NASCAR media world was older and obviously like ton of respect
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  for the folks at MRN or FOX or you know, even Dirty MO Media.
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  Like they've been around so long, they know way more than I
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  do. They have great stories and and
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  experiences to share. But I feel like sometimes maybe
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  they don't always do as good of a job speaking to that 20 to 30
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  year old demographic. And I think when I started my
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  show, I was able to do that because that's what I was.
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  I was a college kid and so I could kind of speak to that a
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  little more. I had the face to go with it I
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  guess. So I think at the time, that's
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  maybe what helped me stand out, at least apart from other
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  traditional NASCAR media apart on YouTube.
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  It's hard. I don't know.
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  I don't know how to do it. Maybe I've just unleashed or or
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  hacked the YouTube algorithm, figured out the cheat code.
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  I have no idea. It's a huge mystery to me,
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  honestly. Well, as I studied you, you
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  became extremely popular. I'm talking 1015 million views
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  on one video for stop motion racing videos.
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  Look, I did my studying on you. There you go.
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  Wow. I I go I go into my resume.
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  Right there. Well, you.
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  You know what? It's easy.
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  You just you just. There it is.
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  But I I. But what as I scrolled back this
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  talent that you had it it was almost it.
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  It they're they're incredible videos.
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  They're incredible. Thank you it and and I as I
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  looked at your stop motion racing videos because I'm a
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  mechanic fabricator. I'll leave here when I'm done
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  talking to you and I'll go up and I'll work on my race car.
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  I'll Weld, I'll bend tubing. So I'm a hard worker like you.
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  So when I watched your stop motion racing videos, I thought
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  to myself, my God, he had to move them an inch, take a
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  picture, move them an how long did a 8 minute video of that?
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  How long would an 8 minute video take for you to do?
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  Yeah. So yeah, I did those stop motion
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  races basically through high school.
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  That was sort of got me my first established audience on on Well,
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  they. Established you.
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  Yeah. And.
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  Yeah, the the views were incredible at the time.
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  It was it was remarkable. I I still can't believe it, but
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  I got it down to a process. It was tedious, but I I had it
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  down to a process where I could do probably an 8 minute video,
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  you know, take. I'd probably take about 1500
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  photos to get all these cars going around this track and I'd
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  set these up. I'd set these up in my bedroom
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  or my parents had like a spare room.
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  They'd let me set some of these tracks up to record.
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  I'd have lights and stuff Again. I turned it into like a process.
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  At this point I got to where I could do a video in probably 15
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  to 20 hours. So you know, I do when I got
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  home from school. So I go to school, obviously
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  during the week I'd come home and when, you know, a few hours
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  here and there would put get to work.
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  I listen to podcast, watch TV while I did it and I could get a
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  video out every week or two for a while there.
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  That's another big thing about YouTube is you need to be
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  consistent. The audience expects consistent
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  uploads. And so now I post almost every
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  day. It's like a daily talk show.
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  But back then, just trying to get a video out every week was a
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  challenge with school and all the other things I had to
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  balance. But yeah, it was a process.
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  It was tedious, did a lot of them.
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  It was fun, got my foot in the door, got me kind of, you know,
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  engaged with the online NASCAR community in a way I've never
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  been before, which was awesome. But boy, yeah, they they took a
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  lot of time back in those days I.
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  Love your back story, because that's what interested me the
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  most. OK, was your back story how you
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  know the reason I wanted to talk to you was how did Eric Eastep
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  become Eric Eastep? And in your early days is what
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  was fascinating. Now let's Fast forward.
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  Here you are. You're you're a big NASCAR fan
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  and I see that you have already met Bubba Wallace my brother and
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  and let's go to your hike now because you did a show on your
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  hike and and your editing skills are just.
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  I mean look at my hand on my forehead.
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  I'm like this guy's editing is unreal but you said Bubba.
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  You introduce yourself to Bubba from behind you poked him on the
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  back and you turn around he he looked you right in the chest.
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  So tell us how tall you are and tell us about your encounter
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  with Bubba Wallace. Yeah.
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  That was a few years ago. So I'm like I said, I'm 6 foot
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  seven. Wow.
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  Which I think, I think I did my own research back then and I
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  think that's taller than any NASCAR driver ever.
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  I think if I remember, you know, Michael Waltrip, 6465, there's a
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  couple other guys in that same range, Carson Hosevar nowadays.
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  How tall is he? 646?
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  He's pretty. Tall.
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  I meant, yeah, I've talked to him quite a bit, but yeah.
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  He's a tall guy. But no, I I was that was a few
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  years ago. I was probably 2018 or 19.
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  I was at Talladega in the infield where all great things
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  happen and just saw Bubba hanging out and I was, you know,
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  at this point, this is 5-6 years ago.
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  I was purely a fan, just wanted to.
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  I just want to get a photo of Bubba Wallace, you know, that's
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  awesome. And tapped him on the shoulder.
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  He turned around and almost fell over, unfortunately and and I
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  don't remember exactly what he said.
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  I think there's an expletive or two involved, but he was stunned
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  by my height. I he probably saw like a shadow
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  come over him and didn't know like what was going on.
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  Thought it was the apocalypse or another eclipse or something and
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  panic for a moment. But I try not to startle people.
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  I did that video you're talking about a couple years ago,
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  partially because now when I go to so many races, a lot of fans
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  spot me, want to come say hi, and the number one comment I get
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  is wow, you're way taller than I thought you would be.
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  Which I I don't. You know, it doesn't bother me.
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  People always apologize. I'm sorry.
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  We're always talking about how tall you're.
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  No, no, it's hilarious. I think it's amazing.
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  I I puts a smile on people's face.
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  But I made that video because I didn't want to shock people the
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  way I think I accidentally shocked Bubba Wallace that one
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  time. So hopefully nobody has a heart
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  attack when I come around the corner and startle them.
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  I think you and I are a lot more similar than we think because as
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  you're talking, I'm listening to you and I know that.
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  Let's go to this. Let's go to social media just
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  for a minute, OK. YouTube, YouTube is is great.
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  It's way different. It's their daily TV.
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  Social media is totally different.
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  It's where there's quick conversation.
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  And I find that people are are a little afraid that they're
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  guilty. They're like, oh, I don't need
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  to be on the phone too much. I, you know, I it it makes me
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  feel bad. It's not real.
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  And I'm the opposite. I'm like, no, no, you're
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  thinking wrong. I'm on social media all the
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  time. And then, you know, I'm out in
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  the wild too. You know, I'm out there.
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  And that way when people meet me, they know me and and I like
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  what you're saying because now you've done these videos.
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  Look, I'm super tall. So now everybody's looking for
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  the Super tall guy. Yeah.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Good.
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  Strategy on your part, yeah. No.
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  And kind of it's a good conversation about social media
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  because that's something I, you know, I struggle with sometimes.
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  My whole life career I should say is on social media now and
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  and so you know, I I feel guilty spending so much time on on
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  Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it now.
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  But that's, you know for me it's such a a good source of
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  information. It's also like you're saying a
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  great way to engage with fans, just like minded peers, the
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  audience. It can be tough sometimes.
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  I I still prefer you to because like we're doing here we can
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  talk for 10/15/20 minutes. Put your full thoughts into a
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  video make yourself very clear on social media.
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  You have to be concise and sometimes it can be hard to not
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  you know ruffle feathers if you omit something or maybe people
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  read into what exactly you're saying and and read into
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  something that's not actually there.
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  And so it's a challenge I like. I find myself doing more
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  watching now on Twitter than posting at least as opposed,
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  except on race day, race day. I'm posting all the time because
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  it is, you know, now with my show being everyday.
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  If you really want to know what I think, you can come to YouTube
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  and you'll get the full context as opposed to Twitter, which
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  sometimes context can be lacking.
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  And that gets that gets people into trouble all the time, I
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  suppose. But I'm sure you know you've
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  seen that too. I do.
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  And my strategy is I comment on what I see.
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  That's all there is to it. I don't dream up anything on my
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  own. I'm not an artist.
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  I'm like, OK, they just said that the next Gen. car cost too
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  much money. It did.
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  It did not save money. I'm like, oh, that's a show.
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  So that's a show, you know? And if I say something and
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  people don't like it and they MF make, hey, that's a show, you
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  know, I'm thick skinned now, 'cause I'm 60 years old and you
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  can't hurt my feelings anymore, you know, so, but but I just
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  wanted to point out that you're just extremely talented and I
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  really like you and I wanted to find out more about you.
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  Let's let's end it like this. We're not totally ending, but I
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  look up to you because you know a lot.
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  And I'm going to ask you this because I think a lot of you and
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  I asked the race car drivers this What is your thoughts on
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  NASCAR today? That is a big question.
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  So I think back to like, what got me into NASCAR as a kid.
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  I was like 7 years old. No one in my family watched
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  NASCAR. Like I always tell people, I got
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  my dad into NASCAR at the same time.
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  So I always look at NASCAR. I watch it over most other motor
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  sports. I think first and foremost
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  because it's relatable in some ways.
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  Obviously they're not real stock cars, but they look like stock
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  cars you see on the streets. So naturally that part is sort
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  of relatable. I love the how patriotic the
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  sport is. It's unapologetically American.
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  It's hard for me to get into F1 the same way, 'cause I can't
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  relate to Monaco the way I relate to, you know, like Texas
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  Motor Speedway this past weekend.
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  And let me. Interrupt you.
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  Where are you from in Texas? I'm.
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  From Houston. I now live near Dallas.
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  So yeah, Lone Star State born and raised.
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  But yeah. And what I was going to say was
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  another thing that I think is relatable to me is because I
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  watch so many other sports, even the idea of a playoffs, which I
• 19:37
  know is very polarizing, still amongst race fans, Like, is the
• 19:41
  format perfect today? No.
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  But like, I don't hate the idea of a playoffs every other sport
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  I watch, Yeah, the end of the season matters more.
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  You got to bring your best stuff when it matters most.
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  Like, you know, I don't watch college basketball except for
• 19:53
  March, and most other people don't either.
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  It's like I I feel like that's relatable to me and to the
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  average sports fans at Sports Fan in America.
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  So there's a lot about the existing NASCAR platform that I
• 20:03
  think is really strong. It is relatable and it goes back
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  20 plus years to when I first started watching the sport.
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  But at the same time they're in a difficult spot because they
• 20:13
  have to toe this line. I think between appeasing the
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  old long term, you know, loyal fans and trying to reach younger
• 20:20
  fans like myself and even younger fans than I am.
• 20:23
  And that's tough. I think they've done a good job
• 20:25
  the past few years, especially going to different venues, you
• 20:28
  know, for every, you know, Chicago street race clash at the
• 20:31
  Coliseum, they've also brought back North Wilkesboro Speedway.
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  You know, I think that's a good trade off.
• 20:37
  So it's tough. You even see it with teams like
• 20:40
  you still got the legacy teams like Hendrick and Joe Gibbs
• 20:42
  Racing and Richard Childress all winning races, contending for
• 20:45
  championships. But you got these new teams with
• 20:47
  completely new philosophies like 2311 track house that you know
• 20:50
  are starting to stand out and and even the drivers like my
• 20:54
  favorite driver growing up was Matt Kenseth.
• 20:55
  I was a big Matt Kenseth fan. Matt.
• 20:57
  The brat? Yep.
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  Absolutely. And you know, he retired and
• 21:01
  around the same time Dale Junior did and Tony Stewart did and
• 21:04
  Danica did. And you know, go on and on and
• 21:07
  on. Carl Edwards did.
• 21:08
  And you know they tried to push the youth movement.
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  You know, Chase Elliott's the next big thing, Eric Jones, Ryan
• 21:13
  Blaney and it took a few years. Now I think we're in a nice
• 21:16
  sweet spot again, towing that line where you have Kyle Busch,
• 21:20
  Denny Hamlin, Martin, Turex still up front, still winning
• 21:24
  races. They're that tie to NASCAR's
• 21:26
  heyday. But you've got the young guys
• 21:28
  like Blaney just won the championship.
• 21:30
  Chase Elliott's a champion, you know, go on a Ross Chastain.
• 21:33
  You also got Chase Elliott, who sort of bridges that gap in some
• 21:37
  ways. He's a young guy, but he's an
• 21:39
  Elliott. So the long time Bill Elliott
• 21:41
  fans still love him as well. So I think NASCAR's in a good
• 21:44
  place, but they're also in a difficult place.
• 21:46
  Everything I just mentioned, they're striking a good balance
• 21:48
  between the new and the old. I just don't know how long
• 21:51
  that's sustainable for. You know, I wonder if at some
• 21:54
  point, like another great example is streaming.
• 21:56
  They've been on cable and broadcast TV forever.
• 21:59
  Obviously that's still very important because that's where a
• 22:01
  lot of their fans still reside, I guess.
• 22:04
  But now they're dabbling with Amazon next year.
• 22:05
  Like, again, they're they're they're, I think they're
• 22:07
  approaching it well. They're making the right moves,
• 22:10
  but it's a really tricky balance because you know, NASCAR fans
• 22:14
  are vocal and and anyone change can be is to often receive
• 22:19
  negatively. When something's been done the
• 22:20
  same way for many years, you know you change it, there's
• 22:23
  going to be some blowback. So all that is to say is I don't
• 22:27
  really know. I think they're doing a good job
• 22:29
  of towing that line, but it is a very difficult line to stay
• 22:32
  balanced on. And I want to, I want to end
• 22:35
  like this. Now you know what I'm going
• 22:38
  through because I'm going to tell you something that's going
• 22:40
  to blow your mind. We are at 23 minutes and I just
• 22:43
  started talking to you. So in in a world where I have
• 22:47
  just got done making fun and and Dirty MO Media and Dale Junior,
• 22:51
  I do a video 8 minutes and people lose their ever living
• 22:54
  mind. It's too long.
• 22:56
  I, I, Eric, I just started talking to you.
• 22:59
  I've just scratched the surface of you.
• 23:01
  We're at 23 minutes. We're we're going to end it like
• 23:04
  this time. What is your thought?
• 23:09
  You and I are are having fun. I don't do this for a living.
• 23:12
  You do. What is your thought of time?
• 23:16
  What's wrong with people nowadays?
• 23:18
  Why can't I do an 8 minute video?
• 23:19
  Why is it? Why is it so long?
• 23:22
  What is I? I see all your videos are 13
• 23:24
  minutes. What have you zoned in on?
• 23:27
  Yeah, that's a great question. 24 minutes I just started
• 23:32
  talking to you. I.
• 23:33
  Think well I think there's no in between anymore because there is
• 23:35
  a place for like podcasts. People love to sit down a long
• 23:39
  drive, a workout lunch break and listen to a 30 minute hour long
• 23:43
  podcast that that is there is a place for things like that,
• 23:45
  things like this. But I mean with the rise of
• 23:49
  TikTok and and YouTube shorts, and you know, even before that,
• 23:52
  I think just scrolling Twitter or scrolling Instagram or
• 23:55
  scrolling Facebook, I think there's, you know, people been
• 23:58
  trained to demand results instantly.
• 24:01
  Instant gratification, I suppose.
• 24:03
  There you go. And I think that's what will
• 24:05
  tell me what it comes down to. And I'm guilty of this too.
• 24:07
  Like there's there's times I. Me too, everyone.
• 24:09
  Is like as a society I think we just have been conditioned by by
• 24:13
  media to to just quick, quick, quick quick, quick.
• 24:16
  And so I've. Waited 30 seconds for my
• 24:18
  hamburgers at McDonald's. What's going on in there
• 24:21
  exactly? No, You know, we got places to
• 24:23
  be. Time is precious.
• 24:24
  I think that's what it is. We've been trained to believe
• 24:26
  that our time is very precious, which it is, but you know, it
• 24:29
  makes it harder now for people to really commit and invest.
• 24:32
  There's a stretch where I wouldn't even I told you I went
• 24:34
  to school for film making and I hardly watched any movies for
• 24:36
  like a year. I was mostly just watching
• 24:39
  YouTube and social media, short form content, the occasional
• 24:42
  podcast. That's changed, you know.
• 24:44
  Since then I've been trying to force myself to enjoy long form
• 24:47
  content and you really dive into something, but it's tricky.
• 24:51
  I I I think with what I do is 10 to 15 minutes is enough time to
• 24:57
  you know dive in fairly deep on a subject but not so long that
• 25:00
  folks feel like they used up their entire lunch break during
• 25:03
  their work hours or you know that's perfect link for their
• 25:05
  drive home something like that. So it's I'm sort of in that
• 25:10
  weird in between your range but it's worked out so far and again
• 25:14
  I I just I edit edit edit. I don't like to add too much
• 25:18
  fluff. I want to get straight to the
• 25:19
  point because I know people want me to get straight to the point.
• 25:23
  So I guess that's that's my long answer to talking about short
• 25:26
  content. Eric Eastep, thank you so much
• 25:31
  for coming on Kenny conversation on purpose.
• 25:34
  I have a lot more questions. I can go on for another hour
• 25:36
  with you, but on purpose. That's it.
• 25:39
  Listen up everybody. We are in podcast form.
• 25:42
  Like Eric said, you can listen to Eric Eastep on your way to
• 25:45
  work and then shut the car off. Go to work, get back in your
• 25:49
  car. Listen to Eric on your way back
• 25:51
  home. We are in Spotify, iTunes and we
• 25:54
  are showing up. Eric, thank you so much.
• 25:57
  Hey. Thank you so much, Kenny.
• 25:58
  It was an honor to be here. I really appreciate it.
• 26:00
  You're. Awesome, man.
• 26:01
  All right, everybody, listen, they're in the pipeline.
• 26:04
  We got Tim McCready, We got Mark Richards, the owner of Rocket
• 26:07
  Chassis. We just got done with Eric
• 26:10
  Anders. I'm talking to Brad Keselowski
• 26:12
  for a follow up. Until next time.
• 26:14
  We'll see you then.