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#149 - Duval - (The Band) · The Chris and Mike Show

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  Girls, what's up there, boys and girls, Chris and Mike show.
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  We're broadcasting live on Twitch and YouTube right now.
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  We have some really cool guests. All right, so once again, boys
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  and girls, this is Chris and Mike Show.
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  I'm Chris. He's Mike.
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  This is Dave and Brian from the band Duvall joining us live here
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  again on Twitch and YouTube. Happy Halloween everyone happy.
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  Halloween, Halloween, everybody. Thanks for coming on guys.
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  Hey, there you go. There you go.
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  I see you. I see all of you.
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  All right. Cool.
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  He's got the all seeing eye. All seeing eye man.
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  So you guys are you guys are part of the the Velo Cheetah
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  music entertainment family, correct, which is very cool.
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  Shout out to Bruce. Shout out to Bruce.
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  We're excited about that. We are very excited about that,
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  yeah. Bruce is good people, man.
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  We've been talking. He and I've been talking shit,
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  man. Maybe six months or so.
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  I sent him a message on Facebook and the rest is history.
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  He's just. I have never talked to Bruce,
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  but all I hear is good things through Chris and yeah, so thank
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  you very much, Bruce. Thanks for coming on fellas.
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  Good to have you here. Bruce is our best cheerleader.
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  I mean, he's, he's not our student, you know, but.
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  Cheerleader all the time. He's got a face for radio.
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  Collared shirts. He's got the collared.
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  Shirts. Yeah.
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  Oh, I know. We talked about that.
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  The big old butterfly collar. The old.
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  The old. Man, you know all those are all.
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  70s. Yeah, like is you need just need
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  a rocket, you know? Yeah, yeah, old 70s style.
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  Yeah. So we're so we're basically
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  we're here today, we're going to talk about the band Duval
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  because we're all about am I saying that right, first of all?
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  Duvall. Yeah, Duvall, Duvall.
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  It's depends on which part of the country.
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  Wherever you're from, if you're from Canada, you know it'd be
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  Duvalle I. Guess Duvalle.
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  Duvalle. Yeah, yeah.
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  And then we don't. We don't care.
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  How you? Yeah.
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  Cool. So tell us a little bit about
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  you guys and what you're all about.
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  What kind of music we now Bruce did send us a couple tracks, but
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  we don't like to we don't like to spoil our listeners because
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  we want we want our listeners to find you and track you down and
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  buy your stuff and and you know, subscribe to your channel,
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  things like that. So just give us the whole the
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  whole band, you know, details and whatnot and you know what's
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  going on in your guys world and where you headed.
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  Yeah, you you want to start? Sure.
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  Well, my version of it would be. Shorter.
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  Go ahead, Brian. I'm a California kid.
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  He's Oklahoma boy. So I came out here a couple
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  years ago to Tulsa and I love the music community here.
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  Dave and I met in a Led Zeppelin tribute band.
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  Sweet. Out here in Tulsa, let's
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  Zeppelin. So I was the new Robert Plant
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  and he was the new Jimmy Page. And that's how we met about a
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  year ago. Actually, that's really a year
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  and a half ago. My favorite band for the record.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My top 3 for sure.
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  Can't get enough of Zeppelin man.
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  Zeppelin and yes, so that's how we met and I was a new kid in
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  town and Dave has been, you know, he's been playing guitar
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  around for a long time. So we just kind of he and I hit
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  it off. We just kind of we just really
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  hit it off and then Dave had some songs that he needed some
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  vocals on. So I put my vocals on, we went
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  in the studio, I put my vocals on some of these songs.
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  And he's he's been writing a lot.
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  So we've got a lot, lots of songs.
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  We got about 12 songs now almost in the can.
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  So we've just been, you know, figuring out what to do and
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  figure out what to do with those songs.
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  And I'm glad that Bruce and Villa Cheetah likes them and
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  everybody else that's listened to them seems to like them.
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  So I think, you know, I really. Like the two that you sent us,
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  man, they were. Well, Duvall.
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  Dave Duvall. I'm going to call him Duvall
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  because the band is Duvall. He doesn't know how not to write
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  a hit. Oh, right on.
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  So we've got. 12 No pressure, Dave, No pressure.
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  Man. Can I tell you what I told
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  Chris? Oh, nothing.
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  And see what you guys's reaction is I.
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  I've been in, you know, many bands since I was 14 years old.
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  And Dave's been in many bands. But when I heard, when Dave just
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  started playing me some of the songs that, well, he wrote, I
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  was like, I like every one of them.
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  And that's very unusual to like every song that's thrown at you
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  right after you meet somebody. So there was a connection, you
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  know, immediately. And we've been in the studio
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  working on these songs and I'm excited about them.
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  And that's where we're at right now.
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  That's where we're at. So yeah.
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  We. My.
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  First time I he was such a great singer.
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  Well, we, we literally showed up to to 1st Led Zeppelin
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  rehearsal, his first rehearsal, my first rehearsal.
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  And it's like, who the heck are you?
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  Who that you know anyway. But yeah, we didn't know each
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  other and but it was after that first, you know, we just only
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  have one or two rehearsals than we did a show.
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  Yeah, we don't rehearse that much.
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  We make that a rule that we don't.
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  And we did a show together, but we kind of, we kind of had a
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  report on stage really, you know, like, yeah.
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  Not just as Robert Plant and Jimmy Page, we had a Duval,
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  Brian, Phil Miller kind of thing happening at the same it was
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  happening and so so it was a cool thing to happen, you know,
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  but. I was I was kind of stuck dead
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  in the water far as you know, original material.
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  I meet Brian. He's the perfect voice for the
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  for those for that, the song. It's just a, it's just, we just
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  got lucky with the the, the right persona, right voice, the
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  the songs, the yeah and, and, and we got money, money Anderson
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  on bass and Trey Barnes on drums.
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  And I've known Trey for a long, I've known money even longer
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  anyway, so I introduced Brian to them and, and it's just been
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  going click, click, click ever since.
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  All we have to do we only time we get slowed down, we have to
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  wait for like how studios are. We have to wait for mixing and
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  mastering and you know we have to get in line and that's yeah
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  just chomping at the that's what we're doing right now song but
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  but but we are shot telling about the EP Yeah yeah so we are
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  but we do that six that are mastered and and want to go out
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  on an EP just to kind of like a. 5 or 6.
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  Yeah, yeah, 5 or 6, yeah, 5 where something like that.
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  The magic number is yeah. So, Bruce I.
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  Think I think the I think the magic number for EPS is 8.
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  I think it's 85 on an EP. Is it 85?
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  It's 55. I think it's.
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  No EP. Mike says it's 5M, says it's 55.
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  Is what? 5 and I'm fine and buy it, yeah.
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  Yeah, Mike says. 5 Now when we release the album, it'll
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  probably have 12 micros. Yeah, sure.
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  Like that, sure. And then we got a bunch of other
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  material for like, I'm after that.
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  Oh yeah. But all those songs?
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  We got pretty much, we got physical graffiti written.
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  Yeah, all. Right, we'll have to roll it
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  out. We'll have to.
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  Roll it out in increments, you know.
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  Yeah, right. Yeah, that's cool.
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  Yeah. So by the way, that's a really
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  good problem to have to have too many songs it is to choose from.
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  Oh agreed agreed. So MM wanted to make a comment
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  earlier about something you said about songwriting.
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  Well, something that Dave just said that you say all the time
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  too is the chemistry. If there's no, it doesn't
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  matter. You can put the think about all
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  the Super groups that have been put together.
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  That is everything. Chemistry is nothing.
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  Well, absolutely is to have the the guys that are all kind of on
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  the same page musically, you know.
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  By the way, what you just said, Mike, that is there's no secret
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  formula as you know in this industry.
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  However, if you look at the iconic bands that are still
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  going, the Stones, Aerosmith, ACDC, regardless of who is in
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  the band right now, the original guys that started that that, you
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  know, that musical journey all had chemistry and it's something
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  that gets talked about. But you can't manufacture that.
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  You can't create chemistry. It's been tried before by many a
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  record label and it doesn't work.
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  Sometimes it works, but it doesn't last.
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  So chemistry is absolutely everything.
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  And you know, they say image is everything.
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  Well, images is a lot too. But, but if you don't have, like
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  you said, you can put four of the most talented people in a
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  room, musicians, and if they, if one chink in that armor doesn't
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  work with the other three, it will not work.
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  You know, I had a pretty high profile audition for STP and
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  Dragon Force and Velt Revolver. Now, because of who I am, I
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  probably shot myself in the foot.
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  But what I said was to some of these guys that I was
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  auditioning for is I don't want to be your former singer because
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  I can't be your former singer because you guys had the
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  chemistry. So if I'm going to be the new
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  guy fronting your band, I got to be me, and I know who me is and
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  if. That's a point that Chris always
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  makes. Yeah.
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  He's always careful to say, and I am too.
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  We're not the best musicians in the world, but when you put the
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  four of us in a room together, something magical.
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  Happened. There's something.
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  He's the singer and the voice for the band Nemesis, right?
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  That's and that's all we ever professed to be.
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  He didn't profess to be, you know, I'm the next Jeff Tate or
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  I'm the next Robert Plan or, you know, he's like, I'm the next
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  Chris Dunham because that's who I am, right?
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  There you go. Before I forget to make my point
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  when you guys sent us those songs.
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  And it's even more cool now because knowing that you guys
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  are into the same kind of old school music that I was.
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  I don't know if this is going to be a compliment or this is just
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  my first impression, but. We'll take it as a.
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  Your music is almost like the Romantics and the Talking Heads
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  had a baby. Oh my God, yeah, that is so
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  dude. OK, so wait, what I'm going to
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  do, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you what songs
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  Bruce sent us before you respond to that.
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  And that's so cool in my opinion because I I love both those
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  bands of Talking Heads, especially because what talented
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  musicians. So Bruce, hold on, hold on, hold
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  on. So Bruce sent us Mary, Bruce
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  sent us Mary. Go round and he sent us.
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  Come knock on my door. OK Oh, both off again.
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  Oh wow, I didn't know he was. Going to that.
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  Was well, yeah, no. Signal this one.
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  Personal favorites. So The thing is.
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  It's funny. For a long time I got
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  pigeonholed as a heavy metal singer maybe about 15 years ago
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  because I was doing some metal things.
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  But I don't like to call myself a heavy metal singer.
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  I just, I just call myself a rock'n'roll singer.
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  I don't either. You know, and I'm fans of all
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  music. I mean, we grew up with all this
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  great music and I yeah, absolutely.
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  So, you know, talking about chemistry and talking about the
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  writing process and talking about, you know, all these
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  things. It's it's funny that my buddy
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  Sean, I'm going to give a shout out to Sean son and Shine.
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  He plays in the band Trapped and he he showed.
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  I love you. Yeah, when he heard, when he
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  heard Aelia, another song that we have, he called me and he
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  goes, dude, it's like the police and the Knack had a bait.
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  And I'm like, wow, So what, you just the clash, wasn't it?
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  No, he said the police. He said the police and the
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  Knack. You know my Sharona, so it's
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  funny. Because you just.
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  Said you just said, you know, it's like the talking.
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  And the romantic kind of. Thing so I had to just laugh
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  about that because. It's at first I told him the
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  Talking Heads, but we opened up for the Romantics and they had
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  so many songs that I had forgotten about other than
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  talking in your. Sleep right.
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  I've done so I've done so many shows with Mike Skill.
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  I I was in a band called the Famous Faces up in Portland, OR
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  and we, we did many shows with Mike Skill and he's just an
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  amazing guy. Yeah.
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  And and we love the romantics so.
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  Yeah, when they started jamming, I was like, wow, you know, I'm
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  into the deep cuts, the songs that nobody listens to, right?
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  And yeah, they played obviously all their hits, but then they
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  started playing a lot of this just straight ahead, rock'n'roll
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  stuff. And I'm like, what an
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  outstanding band. Oh man, that's when you really
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  find out how good a band is, when you damn right into the
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  deep cuts. And so often when it's a great
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  band like that, you, you, you find out.
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  That's how you find out how good they are, you know?
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  Dave and I just had this conversation yesterday about the
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  romantics. So it's really certainly.
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  Good, you lie. You brought that up.
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  That is very funny because we just.
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  I could tell the genuine reaction you guys just had to my
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  comments, so that's awesome. And I'm going to throw you
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  another, you know, bone sidebar. I I had no idea when we're
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  recording these songs. I wasn't thinking about any of
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  those bands. I wasn't.
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  Find it though. No, but you, you don't try.
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  We we're the same way. You don't write music to sound
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  like somebody else. You write music that pleases you
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  and it's tied you emotionally in some way, shape and form.
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  Because you're like me, Brian. I write all the lyrics and the
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  melodies and stuff. Mike does all the takes, all
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  that, and then runs with it. But you, you and Mike, and I've
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  talked about it before with with Nemesis anyway, when every song
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  we played, Mike would sit back there and he could tell I was I
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  was becoming that song because every song I wrote had a purpose
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  in life and had a was, you know what I mean?
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  So he's made the common couple shows ago that he could see my
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  character for each song. So you don't go into a studio,
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  you don't write music and think, oh, this is going to be like the
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  romantics or this is going to be like the talking Heads.
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  You know, you just have that, that that influence, I think
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  just comes through naturally because that's that's what you
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  grew up on and that's what you're drawn to.
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  And so that just comes comes across on some level anyway.
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  I'm. I'm very lucky.
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  Yeah, I'm very lucky as a singer because I got a guitar player
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  who he he. I don't want to know what Dave's
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  process is, just like, I don't really like talking about my
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  process. I have, I have guys that come up
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  and go, how do you sing? How do you sing like that?
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  How do you do that thing? How do you channel Robert Plant?
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  I'm like, you know what, I love you.
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  Thanks for coming to the show. That's private.
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  That is my personal thing. I don't like to talk about the
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  process because I feel like I'm going to.
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  It's kind of like a holy thing where you don't, you don't want
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  to talk about that because it's kind of like it's personal for
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  one thing. And two, you know, I just feel
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  like if I talk about it, I'm messing with the muse a little
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  too much. That's why I don't like that's
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  why I don't like bands telling people what their songs are
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  about. See what the what the actual
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  with the actual like I've told I've said it before when when
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  Draymond dropped the bomb on the sickness from the disturbed song
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  with sickness and how it's not really about his mother and it's
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  not really about abuse. It's like, what the fuck, man?
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  Like you, you can't do that. No, you cannot do that because
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  the interpretation is. Everybody's interpretation is
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  different and that's why music is what it is, man.
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  That's exactly right. Yeah, you.
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  Want people to own it for themselves, you know?
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  Thank you. Yes, yes.
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  You hear this dreaming. You hear this, Dave?
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  Come on, man. It'll challenge you too.
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  Hey, listen, listen. Don't mess with my childhood.
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  Don't tell me that. Don't tell me that Kiss Alive is
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  not a live album, OK? In my opinion, it's a live
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  album, right? And that's what I grew up with.
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  And damn it, yeah. It's a damn live.
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  Album. Yep, it's just like the moon
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  landing. Don't tell me it's fake, because
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  I believe it was real. I don't want to mess with that,
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  but you know, Duvall comes up with so many ideas and melodies
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  and lyrics to. So it's kind of like a Rick
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  Nielsen, Robin Xander situation in some ways where where he
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  brings me songs. I tried to invoke, you know,
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  and, and relate and connect to the material.
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  Then I might come up with some things.
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  I come up with my own melodies. I come up with something on the
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  spur of the moment. When you're recording as you
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  know, you know, you don't know. I never know how I'm going to
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  sing a song. I might rehearse a song a
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  certain way when I'm when I'm learning the song.
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  But then when I get the studio, I sing something totally weird
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  that I never even. It just comes into my head at
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  the last minute. Oh, I'm talking about the
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  process. Sorry, I didn't mean to go.
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  There no, but, but, but everybody's process is
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  different, man. Like when, when how Mike and I
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  would work, we kind of had a, a different dynamic than you guys.
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  We would, I would, I would bring him a song, I'd write lyrics and
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  I'd be like, hey, take this. And Mike is the only guitar
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  player, and I've said it 1000 times, that had the innate
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  ability to take whatever I wrote and match it musically and match
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  that emotion and and the vibe that I wanted it to be.
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  And I already kind of had a melody in my head.
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  And nine times out of 10, what he came up with my melody that I
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  already had in my head would fit it.
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  I may have to just little pieces here and there, right?
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  Or the OR the length of a verse or length of a chorus.
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  But for the most part it it literally it was like you said,
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  Xander Nielsen. You know, I'm not saying we're
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  McCartney and Linen, but it's just it kind of has that you got
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  to have that Ying and Yang to it, right?
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  You got to have it's and it just makes it that much more
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  powerful, I think exactly when you write the song and it comes
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  across like the song you heard when we started our show, we
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  wrote that 30 years ago. Wow.
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  Right, right on. And everybody who hears that,
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  like, holy shit, that's 30 years old.
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  I know because it sounds like it could be now.
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  Yeah, and it was. Just right, thank you that.
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  He says that. All that's why that's why I told
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  Brian about, you know, if if I had a song that I wrote three
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  years ago, but if we hadn't, if it's not recorded or if let's
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  say the instruments are recorded but not the vocal, then hey,
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  it's brand new, dude. Nobody's heard it, you know, And
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  but what you're talking about, you know, like writing kind of a
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  big factor for me is vibe, you know, if there's a guitar riff,
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  it already kind of suggests so much in your mind, you know, it
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  puts you to imagery, time and place.
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  Imagery. Yeah.
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  And it might be one time or place for me, and it might be a
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  different time or place for Brian.
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  He's. He's going to sing it.
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  So if he runs with it for where he's.
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  At In fact, I don't want to know what the songs are about, right,
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  Right. So I interpret it how I
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  interpret it, and Dave interprets it how he interprets
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  it, and the audience will interpret it how they interpret
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  it. And I'm not going to argue
• 19:21
  either way. Yeah, that's always my example,
• 19:24
  25,000,000 might 25 million people might hear a song and
• 19:30
  interpret it 12 and a half million different ways, right?
• 19:33
  You're going to have repeats over and over again.
• 19:35
  That's it. Yeah, you don't want to.
• 19:37
  Yeah, you'll get some comment now.
• 19:39
  To both of your points earlier, everybody should be able to
• 19:42
  interpret the song that Chris wrote or the song that you
• 19:46
  wrote, Brian, the way that the at least the lyrics should be
• 19:50
  interpreted however they want, right?
• 19:51
  That music invokes an emotion in them that may be, it may have
• 19:56
  been happy in the songwriters eyes and somehow now it's sad
• 19:59
  for this person. That person should be able to
• 20:02
  feel however they want when they listen to that song.
• 20:04
  That's the purpose of art, right?
• 20:06
  It's no different than a painting on a wall, especially
• 20:09
  an abstract painting somebody's going to interpret.
• 20:11
  It. 1000 different ways. Yeah, everybody watches their
• 20:15
  own movie. Yeah.
• 20:17
  That's a great way of putting it for sure.
• 20:18
  Absolutely. Yeah, In fact, I've heard
• 20:22
  artists will sometimes comment on what inspired them on a song,
• 20:26
  you know, like a nationally known artist, and I'll go, where
• 20:29
  the hell did that come from then?
• 20:31
  You know, like I had a completely different idea.
• 20:33
  Right. And.
• 20:35
  That's why I don't, that's why I don't like when people share the
• 20:37
  the reasoning behind the song. It takes the mystery away.
• 20:41
  Like we've Mike and I've talked about it before that this 20
• 20:44
  years ago. Up on your mic there. 30 years
• 20:47
  ago, like when we get when we when, when you'd go to concerts,
• 20:51
  right, you didn't have the Mt VS and shit.
• 20:53
  So, so you didn't know what the band looked like aside from the
• 20:56
  from the from the vinyl jacket, right, That's right.
• 20:59
  So then you go, you go to the show, you know, and the lights,
• 21:03
  the lights go out, you know, and then whatever they have intro
• 21:05
  then I mean, and you you can remember this, the entire crowd
• 21:08
  with in in unison, just start screaming.
• 21:11
  It's. Because they know, right?
• 21:13
  The energy and the vibes that I'm getting goosebumps now
• 21:15
  because it's just like you. And you don't get that anymore.
• 21:19
  It's gone because social media has destroyed all that.
• 21:22
  But that's right. That's that thing, man.
• 21:25
  That's that you capture moment, you know.
• 21:27
  You, you, Chris and Mike, and me and Duvall here are very lucky
• 21:34
  that we grew up. And when we he just made that
• 21:37
  point a few episodes back and it just hit me like a ton of
• 21:40
  bricks. I was like, he's so right.
• 21:42
  No, it's no generation again will ever experience what he
• 21:45
  just they will not. Yeah, they will not.
• 21:48
  And that's why we wanted to have.
• 21:51
  I don't want to talk about that too much, but I mean, it's,
• 21:54
  it's, you know, I, I, I don't do a lot of social media.
• 21:58
  I, I don't, I, I like mystery. If you destroy mystery with any
• 22:03
  band, I am, I think that's the beginning of the end.
• 22:08
  So, you know, I, I don't mind. Like this is fun.
• 22:11
  We're doing this thing and, and we, we're, we're not trying to
• 22:14
  be, we're old enough to know who we are.
• 22:17
  We're not trying to be somebody. We're not.
• 22:19
  Yeah, Yeah, there isn't. You know, I like ghosts and I
• 22:22
  like, you know, of course, you know, Kiss and the Mötley Crüe
• 22:26
  and I grew up with Alice Cooper and David Bowie.
• 22:28
  I like all those people. But we don't need another one of
• 22:31
  those, No. And so we're, we're not trying
• 22:34
  to be something we're not. But we're still young enough to
• 22:37
  want to bring fun and romance back to Rock'n'roll or have have
• 22:42
  that in Rock and. Roll and I can hear that in your
• 22:44
  music for sure. So you guys, if that was your
• 22:46
  goal, subconsciously you've succeeded.
• 22:49
  And I know that, you know, from 2 musicians, when we're giving
• 22:53
  out examples of who you sound like, the main reason I give you
• 22:57
  2 bands is because you really don't sound like either one of
• 23:00
  those bands. But I feel it's a respect thing,
• 23:04
  right? Yeah.
• 23:04
  Like if I have to say what genre I'm going to put you in, I found
• 23:08
  it odd when you said, hey, I met in a Led Zeppelin tribute band.
• 23:11
  And then you write a song that's closer.
• 23:14
  You know, you're writing songs that are closer to that
• 23:17
  mysterious kind of side of pop, right?
• 23:20
  That's the best way I can describe it.
• 23:22
  The Talking Heads are the best version of pop.
• 23:25
  The Romantics are the best version of pop.
• 23:28
  The Pixies were the best version of that sub pop culture right?
• 23:32
  Yeah, the most exciting thing about for me, when I heard the
• 23:36
  songs for the first time when we were just listening to demos
• 23:40
  before I recorded vocals on them, was I don't know how to
• 23:45
  categorize these right? And I and I and then my
• 23:49
  heartbeat started getting a little faster because I like
• 23:53
  that. We have a song that Dave has we
• 23:56
  we recorded it. It's not mastered yet, but it's
• 23:58
  called Something's Wrong. I think it would be closer to if
• 24:02
  Led Zeppelin recorded an R&B song.
• 24:05
  It would be maybe like described in that way.
• 24:09
  But I'm excited to find out what people think about these songs
• 24:15
  because they are cross genre, I would say, or genre bending, if
• 24:21
  you want to call it that. You know what?
• 24:22
  I mean, it kind of, yeah. It kind of marries like there's
• 24:25
  probably 44 main genres I would, I would guess, you know, But
• 24:30
  yeah, the R&B side we had actually there, you know,
• 24:33
  something's wrong with like a slow, slow bluesy song,
• 24:37
  something that almost Motown, you know?
• 24:39
  Yeah. And it's, I don't know.
• 24:41
  And it's a motion. Yeah.
• 24:43
  It's a four piece rock band playing it.
• 24:46
  But yeah, you'll just have to trust me on it has that vibe.
• 24:50
  But then there's a that vibe, Yeah, Anonymity, which is really
• 24:54
  funky. It's a funky song.
• 24:57
  I know what I wanted to say real quick too.
• 24:58
  Just back to the songwriting and what the songs were about.
• 25:03
  You know, we all know that McCartney wrote Let it Be for
• 25:06
  his mother. OK, My favorite.
• 25:08
  Songs Now one of my favorite Beatles songs ever.
• 25:10
  So there's so there's an example of, you know, you it's almost
• 25:15
  like as a Beatles band, I wanted to know what that was about.
• 25:18
  And I and you get it, You can get it.
• 25:20
  But I mean, to hear Paul talk about it and what it meant to
• 25:23
  him, you know, you know, there, there's that side too, which is
• 25:29
  maybe perspective. Paul McCartney gets away with
• 25:31
  some things that other musicians don't get away with, Right.
• 25:34
  Did you guys ever see the documentary that Dave Girl did
• 25:37
  on Sound City? That scene at the end I just
• 25:40
  described to a friend of mine at work where they're recording
• 25:44
  that song. And Dave Girl was like, jeez, I
• 25:46
  wish it was this easy all the time.
• 25:47
  And without missing a beat, Paul McCartney says, what is, you
• 25:50
  know? Yeah, I know.
• 25:51
  And Dave Girl's. Yeah, if you're Paul fucking
• 25:53
  McCartney, the rest of us mere mortals, writing songs is a hard
• 25:59
  process. Paul.
• 26:01
  Paul. Doesn't exist in this universe.
• 26:05
  So if you if you want to see something really cool, if you
• 26:07
  haven't already, watch Get Back. Yeah, I watched it.
• 26:11
  That series that Peter Jackson did.
• 26:15
  Yeah, it is on. I've watched it 100 times.
• 26:19
  Yeah, I love it. What you're, I'm not going to
• 26:21
  spoil it for anybody who hasn't seen it, but what you will see
• 26:24
  in that movie, regardless of anything you've heard about The
• 26:27
  Beatles, will all be proved wrong in that in that show.
• 26:33
  And it is eye opening. And that is why I've watched it
• 26:36
  so many times, because you see one beetle and that beetle is
• 26:42
  not from Earth. And even the other three
• 26:47
  acknowledge it and you can see them looking at that beetle with
• 26:53
  amazement. And that is that is.
• 26:56
  Anyway, I'll leave it at that. You know, there's another thing
• 26:58
  about McCartney that reminds me of the whole you guys are
• 27:02
  musicians, we're music, the whole being a musician thing.
• 27:06
  It's like, I think he was about to go on stage, somebody had a
• 27:10
  camera, you know, backstage. And I thought to myself, you
• 27:14
  know, he owns a frickin island. But when he walks on that stage,
• 27:20
  he's just another band member and he's got play good.
• 27:23
  He acts as such. He's got hook up with the
• 27:26
  drummer. He's got a, you know, hook up
• 27:28
  with the other guitar player. He's got a singing key.
• 27:31
  Can't be tired. He can't be, you know, wasted.
• 27:34
  And you know, you know, I mean, he, he's got, he's in the same
• 27:38
  boat we're all in when we step on that stage and he he asked
• 27:43
  for that. He's not trying to prove
• 27:45
  himself. Oh, he's.
• 27:47
  A good beat. It is a great point.
• 27:50
  Yeah, I just saw he was, he was just here in Oklahoma because we
• 27:53
  now here in Tulsa, we now we bought Oklahoma City has always
• 27:57
  had a big arena for big acts like like Paul McCartney or, or
• 28:02
  the like. But over the last 10 years we've
• 28:05
  had to be OK center and and he's been here several times.
• 28:08
  But there's a video, I would still do a little shout out.
• 28:11
  There's a video. He did a little selfie video and
• 28:15
  he's, I think he's one of our parks, you know, and he goes,
• 28:19
  I'm here in Tulsa, OK. It's middle of October, 80° Oh,
• 28:27
  it's. Bloody not Liverpool.
• 28:28
  Yeah, it's it's because it was, man.
• 28:31
  We met some good weather, you know?
• 28:33
  Yeah. But yeah, we got it, you know?
• 28:35
  So Tulsa got put on the map a little bit.
• 28:38
  Well, I'll tell you something that you just said, Brian,
• 28:40
  before I forget that I never really thought about either.
• 28:43
  You made a good point for you and Chris specifically.
• 28:47
  You guys hear music before it becomes a song, right?
• 28:53
  And it's one thing that I've always said that I came to terms
• 28:56
  with real quick as a just writing music is that the song
• 29:02
  that I write as a musician is never going to be what I present
• 29:07
  to Chris as a lyricist, right? He's going to change it to fit
• 29:13
  the melody and the timing that he requires for these certain
• 29:17
  sections I came to. I'm fascinated with the amount
• 29:21
  of musicians who are just like, so super glued, for lack of a
• 29:26
  better term, to this structure, right?
• 29:28
  And I'm not changing it. Yeah.
• 29:30
  It's just such a you. Know what the You know what?
• 29:33
  The formality is so stupid. You know what the formula is?
• 29:37
  There ain't one. Yeah.
• 29:38
  Right. Yeah, that's it.
• 29:41
  That's. It, I think Jerry Garcia said it
• 29:42
  best, he said. I bring a song to the dead and
• 29:45
  it's never the same song that I brought to him, but somehow it
• 29:49
  always comes out better. Good for him man.
• 29:53
  Yeah, right, right. Yeah, that is so true.
• 29:56
  That's so important. Yeah, our drummer told me that
• 29:58
  quote and I, it just rattled around in my head.
• 30:00
  I'm like, yeah, just, you know, present it to the guys and let
• 30:03
  it be right. Just let it breathe.
• 30:06
  Yeah. Become whatever it's going to
• 30:07
  become. It's that's it.
• 30:09
  It is. It's going to be whatever you
• 30:11
  don't even imagine it's going to be, you know, yeah, that's the
• 30:15
  cool thing about what we do, what we all do, you know, trying
• 30:20
  to create and express and phrase, you know, Chris, you
• 30:27
  know, as a singer. And you, it's phrasing.
• 30:31
  Where, How, How? What word do you choose that
• 30:34
  sounds better? That means something?
• 30:37
  How long do you hold that ending out?
• 30:40
  What's going to start that phrase?
• 30:42
  All of that, all of that, how it rolls off the tongue or is that
• 30:45
  awkward? Or do people even talk like
• 30:47
  that? Oh well, maybe, maybe they will
• 30:50
  now. The endings of his phrases
• 30:53
  always grab me because they they would lead me into something, or
• 30:58
  they would lead the drummer into something.
• 30:59
  They would lead one of us into these really cool parts, you
• 31:02
  know? He'd just be like, you know,
• 31:04
  bear with me, check it out. Here's what we, you know, can we
• 31:07
  just, can we just extend that out just a little bit further,
• 31:11
  you know, and at the end, it would always work.
• 31:14
  It would. Just you're so cool, you know,
• 31:15
  you're creating, you're making something up at the moment.
• 31:19
  And then guess what? If you're recording that, good
• 31:21
  luck trying to duplicate it We. Just talked.
• 31:25
  That's that's, yeah. That's how relevant this whole
• 31:28
  thing is that we're doing right here.
• 31:29
  Chris and I were talking about that before you guys got on
• 31:32
  here. I was like, I'm trying to
• 31:33
  recreate a song, the one you heard.
• 31:35
  Yeah, that we were 30 years old, 30 years.
• 31:38
  Yeah. And I'm like, something's just
• 31:41
  missing, you know, And I'm hearing all these little nuances
• 31:43
  that I did on the guitar. Is a 22 year old just starting
• 31:47
  out recording? Yeah.
• 31:49
  Like who's this guy? I son of a bitch.
• 31:52
  You got be careful. I'm just going to say this.
• 31:55
  Be careful. Messing with something that was
• 32:01
  good. Yeah, already.
• 32:04
  Yeah, I you know, I've heard so many.
• 32:07
  I. Agree with you, but I don't have
• 32:09
  any way to like that was recorded on an 8 track that I
• 32:12
  don't have the reels to anymore. Yeah, absolutely.
• 32:16
  No, yeah. Oh, I ran the same thing, man.
• 32:18
  Yeah, yeah. Playing at home.
• 32:20
  I use GarageBand on this very iPad.
• 32:22
  We're going to do the best we can to make it sound like it did
• 32:25
  back then. I mean, I know it's going to be
• 32:27
  different and I've come to terms with that, but I just want to
• 32:30
  capture enough of that original magic, yeah.
• 32:33
  Nemesis yeah, Nemesis is around before before all of this
• 32:37
  technology. So the so the stuff we did with
• 32:40
  some life circumstances and whatnot, Mike lost all of the
• 32:43
  catalog, all the recordings and everything.
• 32:45
  So what you hear are just random things he has that legit was
• 32:49
  recorded 30 years ago with HII sang the vocals in his bathroom
• 32:53
  to make. My.
• 32:54
  Apartment, right, it's and it's still it still carries through,
• 32:57
  but we want to be able to put this stuff out.
• 32:59
  We want to be oh, sure, you know all the platforms for music,
• 33:02
  right? Absolutely, yeah.
• 33:04
  Because some of us, yeah. And that's the other thing that
• 33:07
  I'm proud of as not only a musician and a songwriter, but
• 33:11
  the fact that you guys hear that and you can appreciate what we
• 33:15
  were trying to achieve. I recorded all that too.
• 33:18
  It's not like we went in a studio.
• 33:19
  You know, I, I did the best I could with this microscopic
• 33:23
  amount of like I knew enough to get myself in trouble, right?
• 33:27
  Chris is the one that came up with the idea.
• 33:29
  Hey, you know, I've recorded some vocals in the bathroom and
• 33:32
  I get good acoustics in there, and it came out really cool.
• 33:34
  Can we try it? We can try whatever you want,
• 33:37
  because I don't know what I'm doing.
• 33:38
  Right. Yeah, right.
• 33:40
  Yeah. You know, I it turned out
• 33:41
  outstanding. I got to say that is true.
• 33:45
  Before recording a home was so convenient.
• 33:49
  I remember like in other bands I was in the past, I'd go to my
• 33:53
  problem with musical ideas, it's, it's only one little, like
• 33:57
  the guitar is only one little part of the equation, you know,
• 33:59
  So I would have an idea concept in my mind.
• 34:02
  I'd go to band practice and hey guys, what do you think about
• 34:04
  this? And play the guitar part.
• 34:06
  And they just give me this dumb look on their face, you know,
• 34:09
  And so really. Realize I need the rest of you
• 34:11
  to make this happen, right? That's like.
• 34:13
  Yeah, so I kinda had to build the whole concept of the song,
• 34:17
  you know, bass and a drum beat and some lyrical and my pitiful
• 34:21
  singing or some or something. Just a suggestion.
• 34:24
  This is, you know. You have no idea how profound
• 34:27
  that statement is, Dave. Helpful to do that.
• 34:29
  Like working with Brian, he could get an idea of like, well,
• 34:33
  yeah, I could just initiate A vibe, just a vibe, that's it.
• 34:37
  But sometimes got to have a drum beat and a bass, you know, and
• 34:40
  and maybe a keyboard part or something.
• 34:42
  Too. Well, here's a great example,
• 34:44
  Dave. I'm giving lessons to this guy
• 34:46
  and you break down an ACDC song, especially like, let's say, Gone
• 34:52
  Shooting. It's the same lick over and over
• 34:56
  and over and and it doesn't sound good until, you know,
• 35:00
  Angus starts putting his little nuances on top.
• 35:02
  The song was designed to be a certain way, and it needs both
• 35:05
  guitar players, the bass, the drums, the singer.
• 35:09
  Do everybody doing their little thing because there's so many,
• 35:12
  what Chris likes to say, the open space, you know, like you
• 35:15
  need a field in the middle of certain.
• 35:17
  Yeah. That song is a great example of
• 35:21
  if you keep that lick cycling going around, it's the coolest
• 35:24
  thing ever. But if you speed up or slow down
• 35:26
  even ever so slightly, the train falls off the tracks.
• 35:30
  But it's a great example of what you just said.
• 35:33
  It's not really that great on its own.
• 35:36
  It takes the whole to, and that was our goal was to make a song
• 35:40
  not a great riff, not a great lick, not a great vocal.
• 35:43
  We wanted a great song. You're baking a cake.
• 35:46
  You're baking a. Big.
• 35:47
  Old, beautiful, best food you've ever had in your life?
• 35:51
  Cake. You know, yeah.
• 35:53
  And I think that's what gives this legitimacy here.
• 35:55
  Tequila in their limits. I do, I do, but I'm probably
• 36:01
  unique in that way. Yeah, yeah.
• 36:05
  That's funny. Yeah, that's that's fun.
• 36:08
  That's a good point though. It takes all the ingredients to
• 36:11
  make to bring the chemistry with that to make it.
• 36:15
  Work and you know I. Think that's what makes this
• 36:17
  podcast work is you know my dream was we kind of fell into
• 36:22
  the talking about addiction part because Chris and I have that in
• 36:25
  common. But the one thing you.
• 36:27
  Do I have that in common with you all?
• 36:29
  Congratulations, I feel. I'm I'm 20, I'm 20 years sober.
• 36:33
  Mike's about. 1518. Outstanding, Outstanding.
• 36:38
  I've lost a lot of friends. I've lost a lot of friends.
• 36:41
  I've never achieved what you guys achieved.
• 36:44
  Yeah, And that's why I lost. That's why we do the ending the
• 36:48
  way we do it, because we've lost a lot of people along the way to
• 36:51
  suicide and drug addiction. And absolutely, the point of the
• 36:56
  point I was going to make is the musician side.
• 36:58
  You're never going to get musicians to truly open up to
• 37:03
  you on a podcast, interview, show, whatever you want to call
• 37:07
  it, unless they know you've been there, right?
• 37:10
  The reason that we can talk like we've known each other for 30
• 37:12
  years like Chris and I have, is we've all been doing the same
• 37:16
  thing for that same amount of time, right?
• 37:18
  That's right. We understand the blood, sweat
• 37:20
  and tears that went into your struggle, just like you
• 37:22
  understand ours. All the, all the Spinal Tap
• 37:26
  moments, yeah. Yeah.
• 37:30
  I've had too many. Forgot about that.
• 37:35
  You know, it's bands like we could make 5 Spinal Tap sequels,
• 37:40
  man. I had Spinal Tap moments before
• 37:44
  Spinal Tap was spinal. Give us give us your best one
• 37:48
  that you. Totally understand it.
• 37:49
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's your what's your Mike
• 37:52
  wants to Mike wants to know your best Spinal Tap moment, Brian.
• 37:56
  Oh my God. Oh, I got one.
• 37:58
  I got one that's got student. Yeah, I want, well, we want both
• 38:00
  your Spinal Tap moments, but we'll go.
• 38:01
  Back first. Well, one of those jumps.
• 38:04
  Bouncing up and. You know guys, you know, you get
• 38:07
  side about the music and and bouncing up and down and then
• 38:12
  crash. I go through the stage, I'm
• 38:16
  about to be hit right in the middle of a panel, you know,
• 38:19
  particle board panel, you know, and yeah, this is this one
• 38:24
  happens like we're in, we're in Oklahoma, but we're in the city
• 38:28
  of Tulsa, if you get outside of Tulsa.
• 38:33
  Take a look. Underneath the stage before you
• 38:35
  go jumping on it a. Whole lot I.
• 38:38
  I. Have too many, you know, my
• 38:40
  ADHD, my ADHD brain is hardwired for catastrophe.
• 38:46
  So so I have a thing and I had a manager that used to tell me
• 38:49
  this. He goes, what are you doing in
• 38:50
  this video right here? Like a live footage of a video.
• 38:54
  I'm standing on stage with my back to the audience, to the
• 38:56
  drummer, and I'm look, discovering that I have a price
• 38:59
  tag on my shirt or my coat. And for some reason I'm fixated
• 39:04
  on it. And I'm totally forgetting that
• 39:06
  I'm in front. I'm performing in front of an
• 39:08
  audience. I'm like, oh, by the way, Oh,
• 39:10
  yeah, this is a nice Christian Dior 999.
• 39:12
  I paid for that. What are you in my brain?
• 39:14
  This is what going. Through my brain I would
• 39:16
  appreciate. People go, what do you think
• 39:18
  about when you're on stage? I'm like, dude, you don't want
• 39:20
  to go there. I don't even, I, I don't have, I
• 39:22
  can't even, I can't even talk about about it because it's like
• 39:25
  I can't even hardly talk about. It see, that's the benefit of
• 39:27
  that's the benefit of how Mike and I would write our music
• 39:29
  because every song I wrote was, was a timestamp of a point in my
• 39:33
  life, right? So whatever song we were
• 39:36
  playing, I was in that moment in my life, whatever it was.
• 39:39
  So that's where that's always where my thoughts were, what
• 39:42
  that song was about. It was my thing was between
• 39:44
  songs and like we would come out and play 3 songs back-to-back to
• 39:47
  back, not say a word to the crowd.
• 39:49
  And then once you finish the third song, the crowd's just
• 39:51
  like hair blown back, like holy shit.
• 39:54
  Then I would say something. But to me it was always, I don't
• 39:56
  want to be that cheesy guy. How's everybody doing tonight at
• 39:58
  Phoenix, right? You know, cuz I mean, thanks for
• 40:01
  coming to do that, right? So.
• 40:03
  What to do? What not to do?
• 40:04
  Right, so that was my only weird thing of don't ask what I'm
• 40:07
  doing on stage cuz then I would start thinking what what do I
• 40:09
  say tonight, you know? I know exactly.
• 40:12
  No, I, I guess, I mean, I'm going to answer the question
• 40:14
  now. The biggest Spinal Tap moment
• 40:16
  that I ever had. It's a little bit emotional, but
• 40:19
  I'm not going to get emotional because it's a happy ending.
• 40:21
  But real quick, I was playing on stage with a guitar player who I
• 40:25
  could tell was not right before he got on stage and he literally
• 40:29
  died. Oh fuck.
• 40:31
  This was a two night gig that we were playing.
• 40:33
  No. This was this was Friday night.
• 40:36
  He died. He literally died for a few
• 40:38
  minutes. Wow.
• 40:40
  The next day, the next night he was very much alive and he
• 40:45
  played the best show we've ever played.
• 40:48
  Don't ask me how, I can't explain it.
• 40:50
  It's like he was, he had a Keith Richards moment and it was
• 40:56
  unbelievable. We went to like the worst show
• 40:58
  we ever did to the best show we ever did.
• 41:00
  So that's just crazy. But that happened.
• 41:02
  That actually is a true story. And he never found out why he.
• 41:07
  Oh yeah, he did. No, we did.
• 41:08
  Yeah. We, we, we knew.
• 41:09
  Yeah, we knew. Yeah.
• 41:11
  Right, Kenneth? That's a whole nother chapter,
• 41:13
  another probably another show for another show.
• 41:15
  But but I you know you, I could tell that.
• 41:17
  Apparently I'm not awake yet. He had a Keith Richards moment.
• 41:20
  I'm with you. We're all on the same page, no?
• 41:22
  Even me, I know I you. Guys were there.
• 41:24
  I caught up. Yeah, yeah, this is.
• 41:27
  But we've had many, I'm sure between the two of us, me and
• 41:29
  Duval, we can talk about Spinal Tap my.
• 41:32
  Funniest one was years ago when I was a kid.
• 41:37
  We're showing up some bar guess I was here in Tulsa anyway and
• 41:43
  we're loading in and there's this chick on the phone and and
• 41:48
  she and she's talking on phone and she's not really looking at
• 41:51
  us. She go Vance here.
• 41:53
  So we're going to leave. Keep that in there.
• 41:59
  Awesome. I'll tell you my best one and
• 42:02
  and it was the as a guitar player, it was embarrassing and
• 42:06
  Dave will appreciate this. I knew I picked the right three
• 42:10
  guys because my main guitar got stolen.
• 42:13
  I got another guitar that had a floating tremelo on it, right?
• 42:16
  It had a Floyd Rose that floated.
• 42:19
  And I didn't realize that when you broke a string that your
• 42:22
  entire guitar went out of tune because I had never experienced
• 42:25
  that before. And we're on stage right in the
• 42:27
  middle of playing vision, which is, you know, guitar driven.
• 42:32
  It needs the guitar right before I go to play the solo, pop the
• 42:36
  string, it's all out of tune. I run backstage.
• 42:39
  These guys carry on like warriors.
• 42:40
  I mean, the crowd went crazy because Chris, Chris stepped up
• 42:45
  and just, you know, became the the man of the hour.
• 42:48
  But it taught me something. Number one, you got to have at
• 42:51
  least one backup guitar. Yeah. #2 to block that thing
• 42:56
  off, because I rarely pull that bar back, you know?
• 43:00
  The show must go on and. See and see and see.
• 43:02
  That goes back to what we talked about earlier, the chemistry and
• 43:05
  connection. Because if we didn't have that,
• 43:08
  they wouldn't understand that I had the ability of the improv,
• 43:11
  whatever song I was doing, right?
• 43:12
  So I could take vision where wherever I wanted to take it
• 43:15
  during the time it took him to replace that string.
• 43:18
  And it doesn't, it doesn't miss a beat.
• 43:19
  Now, if you've seen this before, you're like, well, this is
• 43:22
  different. Where's Mike?
• 43:23
  But if it's the first time, you if the first time you had.
• 43:25
  Everybody stop that plane and looks looks for Mike.
• 43:28
  Right, but if that's the. Worst case scenario.
• 43:31
  Yeah, right. But if you hadn't seen this
• 43:32
  before, then you're just thinking, OK, this is the
• 43:34
  singer. He's just going off on a
• 43:35
  tangent. Yeah, there you go.
• 43:37
  You know what I mean? So it.
• 43:38
  Yeah, Yeah. So the dynamic of it works.
• 43:41
  And that guitar player? Must have a drug problem.
• 43:43
  He's been back there a while. You know, but that's the, that's
• 43:47
  the, that's the dynamic you need for a band.
• 43:49
  That's where you go back. You can have, you can have, you
• 43:52
  can have the four greatest musicians, like you said in the
• 43:54
  world standing on stage. But if they don't have that, if
• 43:56
  they're not connected. Or worse yet, somebody gets
• 43:59
  pissed right at me because I didn't prepare.
• 44:01
  These guys knew my guitar got stolen.
• 44:04
  I didn't have a choice. I was lucky to have the one that
• 44:06
  I had at the time because we're all poor as shit back then, you
• 44:09
  know? Oh yeah, man.
• 44:11
  So Chris, what is yours? We haven't heard your Spinal
• 44:14
  Tap. Yeah, you know, yeah, OK, it was
• 44:18
  probably. Your theatre moment, wasn't it?
• 44:20
  Well, well, I'm gonna go this way.
• 44:21
  I'm gonna go this one. So, so we were opening up.
• 44:25
  I think it was the Marshall Tucker Band show.
• 44:27
  Oh, I love Marshall Tucker. Band so, so and, and so our so
• 44:31
  we were opening up for them and and we were at the ballroom,
• 44:33
  which is about which probably about 2500 some odd people like,
• 44:38
  you know, a lot of a lot of bands came through there.
• 44:40
  So I'm I'm never I'm nervous before a show, but I'm not
• 44:43
  nervous like I'm going to throw up.
• 44:44
  It's that anxious energy, right, Brian, you get that, like you're
• 44:47
  ready to go, you know, you, you're turning on the switch,
• 44:49
  You know, I call it the iron dog when I go on stage, It's it's a
• 44:52
  different personality. So I'm pacing back and forth and
• 44:55
  and Mike's tuning his guitar and and Williams doing his thing and
• 44:59
  Mike always had a cigarette in his fret, right.
• 45:01
  So, and I wasn't a big smoker because singer, but I'm like,
• 45:03
  Oh, that'll help me kind of chill out a bit.
• 45:05
  So I grabbed the cigarette and you know, you know, nice and
• 45:09
  hail and, you know, put it back couple.
• 45:11
  Times he hit it. Yeah, like, OK, this is cool.
• 45:14
  You know, it's kind of bring me down a bit.
• 45:15
  I'm still anxious, I'm still pumped.
• 45:17
  We go out, bust out our first 3 songs and I'm about to in the
• 45:20
  middle of the second song, I'm like, like, you know, whoa, man,
• 45:23
  like this is this is OK, this is cool.
• 45:26
  And I'm like, I always had a shot of Jaeger and a Budweiser
• 45:29
  before the show. That was the extent of it,
• 45:31
  right? So I'm thinking there's no,
• 45:33
  there's no way the Jaeger and the butt are doing this to me.
• 45:36
  There's just no way. So I'm you know, we're we're
• 45:39
  jamming out and I'm just I'm in this pocket, man that I just are
• 45:42
  you supposed to? I can't.
• 45:43
  See the sounds, man? Right, right.
• 45:45
  And I've never been in this pocket before live, so I'm just
• 45:48
  thinking I'm in the groove, man. This is one of those the all the
• 45:51
  rock gods are lined up. This is just going to be one of
• 45:53
  those shows that just fucking stellar.
• 45:56
  Yeah. So, you know, play the show.
• 45:58
  Great show, great response from the crowd and shit, next day we
• 46:01
  go to practice. I'm a practice and and I'm I'm
• 46:05
  explaining this to Mike and he's just sitting there kind of
• 46:07
  fucking laughing, chuckling under his breath, looks over
• 46:10
  Scott. He's like, dude.
• 46:11
  My drummer and I had the best time that night.
• 46:14
  I'm sure. But you have this neighbor that
• 46:18
  could take a Marlboro cigarette, take the tobacco out and put
• 46:21
  marijuana in it. So he mixes the marijuana, the
• 46:24
  Marlboro, right with marijuana. And I haven't smoked.
• 46:28
  I haven't smoked pot in years, man.
• 46:30
  So I hit this thing twice and I inhale it and I'm fucking like,
• 46:34
  I'm not like wacky, but but that was that was as close as I can
• 46:39
  get to like a Spinal Tap moment because it's like you didn't you
• 46:42
  didn't realize what the fuck happened.
• 46:44
  But after the fact, it's like the show because you feel the
• 46:47
  music, right? You just, everything's just kind
• 46:50
  of like you're just into it even more than you always are.
• 46:52
  Things elevated, Yeah. So seeing the sky.
• 46:55
  Yeah, yeah. So that would be my closest
• 46:57
  Spinal Tap moment for. Sure.
• 46:59
  I so wish that show was recorded.
• 47:02
  Yeah, because it probably, we probably did things that night
• 47:05
  that we never did again. Yeah, right.
• 47:07
  I know. And some of them are probably
• 47:09
  really amazing moments. You never know for sure.
• 47:12
  Nuggets in there, you know, you just don't know So, but I, you
• 47:15
  know, I, I personally, I have now realized now that I feel and
• 47:22
  I've always felt more at home on stage than I ever have in any
• 47:27
  house I've ever lived in. And I think that it's easy.
• 47:32
  That part is easy for me, that doing that stuff is easy.
• 47:35
  That's like the easy part. You know what I tell people,
• 47:37
  Dave? That's funny They because if you
• 47:40
  know me, I'm pretty introverted until you get to know me,
• 47:43
  extremely introverted till you get to know me.
• 47:45
  But I could get up on stage right now in front of 6000
• 47:48
  people and play my guitar. And the first question that
• 47:50
  people ask me is how can you do that?
• 47:53
  And then I immediately make them laugh and say, because I don't
• 47:55
  have to say anything, right? Yeah.
• 47:58
  I know what I'm saying. With a guitar in my hands, you
• 48:00
  can know what my emotions are. Dave will say the same thing.
• 48:04
  You know how Dave and I feel just by listening to us play?
• 48:07
  Yeah. If we're sad, it's going to
• 48:08
  sound sad. If we're happy, it's going to
• 48:10
  sound happy, right? Yeah, it comes out, man.
• 48:13
  It comes out. Yeah, I I think music for me is
• 48:15
  easy. Life has been tough.
• 48:17
  Thank you. Yeah.
• 48:18
  Hey, man. Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a
• 48:21
  thing, yeah. Getting on stage and and, and,
• 48:25
  and some confidence, you know, like play, like don't especially
• 48:28
  talking about like singing, not having to sing, play guitar.
• 48:32
  There's something I can do, you know, I don't see how Brian can
• 48:34
  do it, but. That's what they got.
• 48:36
  That's where they become another person, right?
• 48:39
  Like Chris said, he becomes another person.
• 48:41
  If you, Dave or Brian, said it earlier, you know, people ask me
• 48:45
  what I think about on stage. I have to say, as another joke,
• 48:51
  I don't really know how to play guitar because I can't tell you
• 48:53
  why I can do what I can do, right?
• 48:55
  It just happens. And I'm so blessed that I can do
• 48:58
  that. But I've never been egotistical
• 49:01
  about it because I really don't understand why I was given this
• 49:05
  gift. I just use it, right?
• 49:07
  Yeah. There's things I can do on a
• 49:09
  guitar that turn people's heads and they turn my head as well,
• 49:12
  right? It's like, wow, how did that
• 49:13
  just happen? That's so cool.
• 49:14
  I love that. Sound, it's it's interesting.
• 49:17
  I did a, I have a degree in theater and music and I had the
• 49:22
  opportunity to work with, I had the opportunity to work with
• 49:25
  Martin Scorsese 4 years ago when they were filming Killers of the
• 49:29
  Flower Moon. I had AI had a small part in
• 49:32
  that. Well, it actually had a bigger
• 49:34
  part that got edited out. But anyway, the what I got a few
• 49:38
  minutes with him and a very few minutes with him and I realized
• 49:42
  that he was at Woodstock. That was his first film as an
• 49:46
  AD, and I was at Woodstock as a 4 1/2 year old kid that was
• 49:50
  kidnapped. Yeah, that was kidnapped by my.
• 49:53
  Well, now I'm aging myself. OK, audience out there, you can
• 49:55
  figure. Out.
• 49:57
  But but I yeah, I was kidnapped by my hippie uncle for about a
• 50:01
  week. We went to Woodstock.
• 50:03
  But anyway, the conversation, he finally ended it with OK, OK,
• 50:07
  OK, OK. So what you're telling me is
• 50:09
  that, you know, you've been pretending to be other people
• 50:12
  your whole life. We had a music conversation and
• 50:16
  I did a lot of journaling about that.
• 50:18
  And so when people say to me, what are you on what persona?
• 50:24
  I said, I don't, I don't. I can't tell you that.
• 50:27
  I can't answer that because I might be playing a part, but
• 50:31
  it's also. Who I am, that's me.
• 50:34
  It's the ultimate of who I am that I can't talk about like.
• 50:39
  No, yeah. That's why on my Facebook page
• 50:42
  it says music isn't what I do, it's who I am.
• 50:44
  Right, it is. It's who I am.
• 50:47
  It's probably many different personas that make up who I am.
• 50:54
  So at any given night, you don't know what you're going to get.
• 50:58
  But yeah, what you're talking about going on stage and feeling
• 51:01
  confident. Yeah, Mike was that's, I think
• 51:06
  for some reason there's something comes out like, like a
• 51:12
  lot of people, you know, get nervous.
• 51:14
  Well, what's so funny is, man, this is kind of stupid but kind
• 51:19
  of a story. But once I had to give up at
• 51:22
  work, where I work my day job, I had to just, I had to introduce
• 51:26
  somebody. And so I just, all I had to do
• 51:29
  was just read this paragraph and, and, and if I ate my
• 51:33
  freaking lunch, man, like, like, you know, for I got to read
• 51:37
  this, you know, I'll have just read this.
• 51:39
  Whereas, you know, at the time, you just like any other time,
• 51:43
  you know, I had 2-3 shows that week and, you know, getting up
• 51:47
  and playing guitar for three hours no problem, you know, and
• 51:51
  but in front of a bunch of strangers, but getting up and
• 51:54
  just reading a paragraph, you know, about.
• 51:56
  I was a nervous wreck. And then I realized, yeah, it
• 52:01
  it's just a whole different part of your personality.
• 52:04
  Yeah, I know Christian. I think like Brian, his whole
• 52:07
  self is a is a vocalist, a singer, actor and and his whole
• 52:13
  persona is what he carries on the stage.
• 52:16
  Well, that's the thing that those two have in common is
• 52:18
  Chris is the same way. He's a trained theater guy.
• 52:20
  He went to school for it. He acted, did, did a lot of
• 52:24
  theater. The one thing that he did that
• 52:27
  brought me out of my shell, I had a couple advantages.
• 52:30
  My day job, I got involved with the union and I had to go talk
• 52:34
  to people on a daily basis, right?
• 52:36
  So that helped a lot. But then getting on here, he
• 52:39
  noticed right away he's like, you know, I can't do everything
• 52:43
  or it's going to be my show. It's like you, this was your
• 52:45
  idea. You got to come out of your
• 52:46
  shell a little bit. You're talking to me, man.
• 52:49
  You know, we've known each other for 30 years.
• 52:51
  You're talking to me. You're not talking to the world.
• 52:53
  You're not talking to anybody else.
• 52:54
  It just that rattled around in my head.
• 52:56
  I'm like, OK, I'm just going to focus on talking to my brother,
• 52:59
  you know? I think I was telling Chris that
• 53:01
  the other day. When that's it, like what are we
• 53:03
  going to talk? Or I was talking about what are
• 53:05
  we going to talk about? I go for a musician get
• 53:10
  together. It's just fun.
• 53:11
  But that's, that's the thing. That's what I told you, though.
• 53:13
  I said we're just going to, we're going to introduce the
• 53:15
  show, we're going to introduce you guys.
• 53:16
  All right, then we're just going to let the conversation go where
• 53:18
  it goes. And here we are 53 minutes into
• 53:19
  it. That's the thing, though.
• 53:21
  But that's the that's that's the thing.
• 53:23
  People don't understand how much a conversation is so much more
• 53:27
  appealing than an interview. Yeah, Yeah.
• 53:29
  Interviews are boring. Hi, Brian.
• 53:31
  How long have you been singing? Well, Chris, that.
• 53:32
  Was the only hard, fast rule I had.
• 53:34
  You know, at the beginning I'm like, dude, I don't want this to
• 53:37
  become a radio show. I don't want it to become an
• 53:40
  interview show. I want the best way I could
• 53:42
  describe it was this is our playground.
• 53:45
  This is the after band practice conversations that I loved more
• 53:49
  than anything to this day ever, right?
• 53:51
  We would talk about is there fucking aliens in the world to
• 53:54
  solving the governmental financial price crisis, right?
• 53:59
  You know, just talk about anything and everything.
• 54:02
  And those were some of my favorite conversations because
• 54:04
  in my opinion, these were some of the smartest people I ever
• 54:07
  got to be around, right? They're musicians.
• 54:10
  Sure. And the cool thing about that is
• 54:12
  the music and the songs that I was able to come up with from
• 54:15
  those conversations. I wrote a song called Losing All
• 54:18
  the Madness because of post band conversations about the chaos in
• 54:21
  the world. And it's just then you started
• 54:23
  pulling headlines out from from different things like, oh shit,
• 54:26
  this, this goes along with what we were just talking about last
• 54:29
  week. So those those just normal
• 54:33
  everyday conversations have power if you just let them be
• 54:36
  organic and let them grow and take their own course.
• 54:39
  So him and I were like, what if we turned that into a podcast,
• 54:42
  right? So it's, it's great.
• 54:44
  I, you know, that's just brilliant.
• 54:46
  It's what you just said. I don't know why I thought I,
• 54:49
  I'm saying this, but I, you know, I've never looked at
• 54:51
  myself as a musician, right? I, I've always looked at myself
• 54:56
  as a, a singer and I get to play with really talented musicians.
• 55:02
  I tried to tell. Himself.
• 55:04
  To. Same way.
• 55:06
  I can play. You guys are both.
• 55:08
  Wrong with Yeah, I played piano, I played guitar, I played
• 55:12
  instrument, I played drums. But I don't.
• 55:14
  I'm not very good at those by the way.
• 55:16
  Let me let me tell you why you're wrong.
• 55:18
  OK? I, I hate to disagree with
• 55:21
  anybody, but it's a positive reason for why you are both
• 55:24
  wrong. And Chris agreed with me when I
• 55:26
  told him this the first time. And I know Dave's going to agree
• 55:30
  with me because without you guys standing up there, there's no
• 55:35
  fucking band. It's just an instrumentalist,
• 55:38
  right? Where it's a drummer and a bass
• 55:39
  player and a guitar player and a keyboard and however many
• 55:41
  musicians you got. But the audience didn't come to
• 55:44
  see an instrumental band. They came to see Chris perform
• 55:48
  his lyrics and they came to see Brian perform his lyrics.
• 55:52
  That's the reason they came to the show.
• 55:54
  And as long as you guys, as Chris likes to say, doesn't have
• 55:57
  lead singer disease, everything works, right?
• 56:01
  Yeah, a lot of front men that just.
• 56:04
  They let that power of. Without me, there's no band go
• 56:08
  to their head. I was so.
• 56:09
  Axel Rose. Axel Rose.
• 56:11
  Yes, I'm sure I'm guilty of lead singer moments.
• 56:15
  Lead singer Disease. LSD, brother.
• 56:22
  And the year that I've known this guy, he probably could have
• 56:24
  strangled me several times. Oh, but, but the beauty, the
• 56:29
  beauty of it is, is that once you have a bond with somebody,
• 56:35
  and he's like my Big Brother that I never had, we can say
• 56:39
  anything to each other, anything as hideous as it is.
• 56:45
  That's why I. Picked up to do this with.
• 56:47
  Ryan, I'm sorry for. Yeah, smart enough.
• 56:50
  He'll he laughed at it. He'll call me and and say, man,
• 56:53
  I'm sorry. I'll call him and say sorry and
• 56:55
  he'll be like for what? Yeah.
• 56:57
  I mean, it was, it was this big production in my head and.
• 57:00
  Him and I both had those moments.
• 57:01
  So it's it's like, OK, that's true.
• 57:04
  Never mind. Yeah.
• 57:05
  I love you. Yeah.
• 57:07
  The weird dichotomy that Chris and I have is I'm an empath.
• 57:11
  That's where my gift came from. I get and he always professes
• 57:16
  that he's not. So a lot of times I'll call him
• 57:19
  up and I'll be like, dude, I'm sorry.
• 57:20
  And he? I am a super.
• 57:22
  For what? And I'm like, I was in a shit
• 57:24
  mood the other day, I didn't notice.
• 57:26
  That I dude, I'm a super empath. I I feel like I'm a super
• 57:30
  empath. Me too.
• 57:31
  Yeah, if you're an empath, I'm a.
• 57:33
  Separate empath. OK, then we're in the same boat
• 57:35
  because I feel other people's emotions.
• 57:38
  I'm an ADHD supercharged empath so I have to be taken down
• 57:44
  notches, probably more than you know I would like to admit.
• 57:47
  You know, I tell you, music is it brings us the best to be, but
• 57:52
  brings us the worst. I wouldn't say brings us worse.
• 57:55
  It's not you bringing out bad sides.
• 57:58
  Music it music is. It's such an artistic challenge.
• 58:02
  There's no right or wrong, you know.
• 58:04
  It's learning to deal with those emotions that Brian and I were
• 58:08
  just talking about. You're just putting it into
• 58:09
  words, Dave. It's learning to deal with those
• 58:12
  emotions as they come to you. Right?
• 58:14
  Yeah. Because sometimes, like Brian
• 58:16
  said, it's so much information all at once.
• 58:20
  You're like, I can't. I'm just, I'm one fucking
• 58:23
  person, right? Yeah.
• 58:24
  How can I? How can I process all this shit
• 58:27
  right now? I'm still dying, I'm still
• 58:28
  learning. Me too.
• 58:29
  Brother, me too, every day. Yeah.
• 58:32
  And if you guys? Fail all the time.
• 58:34
  So if. No matter what Brian says, he's
• 58:36
  a great team player. I think we all are because we
• 58:39
  know our limitations. I will load gear.
• 58:42
  Me too. I load gear.
• 58:44
  He did, too. I load gear.
• 58:46
  Anyone went in, they had a hernia once and.
• 58:48
  I didn't. I wouldn't load gear.
• 58:51
  I'd load gear. Nobody.
• 58:53
  No, that's that's the thing. You ever now, Brian, you can
• 58:56
  agree with this because you're a singer like I am.
• 58:58
  You have to have an eager to do what we do.
• 59:00
  You absolutely have to have an ego to step on stage. 100% how
• 59:03
  how many, how many thousands of people?
• 59:05
  Or you know, 10 people. Because if you, you got to own
• 59:09
  your space. What's the example I always
• 59:11
  give? Nobody wants to hear Chris get
• 59:12
  up there and go, hey, thank you for coming out on a Saturday.
• 59:15
  We're we're going to have a big party that's going to be.
• 59:18
  Great, you just said. You know it is it's holy ground.
• 59:22
  Right. You're talking about it's sacred
• 59:24
  territory and it's, it's how I've always felt about it, even
• 59:28
  as a kid. I, I I made a deal with myself
• 59:32
  when I was seven years old that I would never get on a stage if
• 59:37
  I wasn't 110% in it. Yeah.
• 59:41
  If I'm trying to fake it, if I know I'm not going to hit that
• 59:45
  high a note in Green Manalishi or, you know, whatever I'm
• 59:49
  doing, I, I don't know that I could get on stage because I
• 59:55
  can't fake it like that. I have to be pretending that Rob
• 1:00:00
  Halford's going to be in the audience.
• 1:00:02
  And if he's in the audience and he hears me sing Green
• 1:00:06
  Manalishi, I want Rob to cry in a good way.
• 1:00:10
  I don't want Rob to leave going. That sucks, you know.
• 1:00:16
  I always. Have thought of the audience as
• 1:00:18
  being who's in the audience. You don't know who's going to be
• 1:00:22
  there. Even on your off night, you got
• 1:00:24
  to be good. We only had one rule, Brian, and
• 1:00:27
  that was that we got up there and played like it was the last
• 1:00:30
  gig we were ever going to play. There you go.
• 1:00:32
  We knew that someday it was going to be right.
• 1:00:35
  Nothing lasts forever. We hope it went on for 30 years.
• 1:00:37
  You could die on stage. Absolutely.
• 1:00:40
  You know what I always thought too is like Tulsa it it for It's
• 1:00:46
  not a big city, you know, but for some reason it's just a lot
• 1:00:49
  of great guitar players here. It's probably like that
• 1:00:52
  everywhere, I'm sure, but but you know, I often think, you
• 1:00:57
  know, guys talk about like thinking about the the different
• 1:01:01
  guys that going out playing tonight, you know, like how do I
• 1:01:03
  go on stage and do my thing? You know, when, when Steve Pryor
• 1:01:08
  or somebody, you know, these other guys are so, so awesome.
• 1:01:11
  You know, they're playing tonight.
• 1:01:12
  And my, my approach to that is, is was he's not here tonight.
• 1:01:19
  You know I am so. That's how you have.
• 1:01:22
  To throw it down for these people.
• 1:01:24
  And actually, there's the, the truth of that is from the
• 1:01:27
  audience perspective, nobody else is there but you, you know,
• 1:01:32
  and, and your bandmates. I'll tell you one.
• 1:01:34
  Of my so it doesn't really matter how killer you know some
• 1:01:37
  other bands fact more great bands around the batter that's.
• 1:01:41
  Funny you say that. That night, that moment, is
• 1:01:45
  yours, you know. Take it.
• 1:01:47
  I'll tell you a funny moment that is bright.
• 1:01:49
  It just triggered a memory. We were playing at the Mason Jar
• 1:01:52
  one night and I got off stage and you know, one of the moments
• 1:01:56
  where it's like I got a piss right now, so set my guitar
• 1:01:59
  down, went in the bathroom and of course, you know, then the
• 1:02:01
  audience starts coming in because the show is over.
• 1:02:03
  Yeah. This guy's standing right next
• 1:02:05
  to me, drunk as fuck. Of course, God bless him.
• 1:02:10
  He looks over and he says a fucking great guitar playing
• 1:02:14
  dude. Fucking you're, you're a
• 1:02:17
  shredder, man. Fucking lose that belt as gay as
• 1:02:21
  fuck. I was wearing one of those
• 1:02:23
  studded belts like Judas Priest used to wear, you know, because
• 1:02:26
  I thought it was cool and I still stand by it was cool.
• 1:02:30
  And I was like, man. I said if that's the best you
• 1:02:32
  got, man, OK, You said I was a great guitar player and that's
• 1:02:35
  why I was here so. I love you, man.
• 1:02:38
  Yeah, yeah. I just said, hey, thanks for
• 1:02:40
  coming out and buying a ticket. We appreciate your support.
• 1:02:43
  So, so, so that's a, that's a good segue to what I want to ask
• 1:02:46
  you guys. So, so David, David, I want to
• 1:02:49
  know who your top three favorite guitar players are of all time.
• 1:02:52
  Oh. Thank you.
• 1:02:53
  Wow, OK, I'd have to say now, now, all right, a lot of people,
• 1:02:58
  a lot of guitar players that argue with me, you know, but but
• 1:03:02
  I I'm kind of come from the like kind of old school.
• 1:03:07
  It's tough guitar player because I'm set.
• 1:03:10
  I work so much on creating songs.
• 1:03:13
  Yeah, but all right, let's just talk about guitar player, not
• 1:03:15
  necessarily songs, you know? Yeah.
• 1:03:18
  As far as guitar playing, Jimmy Page, Stevie Ray Vaughan and and
• 1:03:22
  then Mick Taylor in the Stones lineup and now Eddie Van Halen,
• 1:03:28
  obviously, you know, great player and.
• 1:03:31
  I love. This and and even, you know,
• 1:03:33
  Clapton. I learned, yeah, you just hit a
• 1:03:35
  couple of Mike's favorites. Too.
• 1:03:37
  So you speak our language? Which ones were your favorites,
• 1:03:41
  Mike? Stevie Ray for sure.
• 1:03:43
  Jimmy Page, obviously those. Are Mike and.
• 1:03:45
  Eddie. You know it.
• 1:03:47
  Blues don't really turn. Out a whole lot in in the songs,
• 1:03:51
  you know that we we do that we write and that we, you know,
• 1:03:55
  that we play in Duval, but it's, it's, it's there, you know, it's
• 1:04:02
  there. I think there's, there's a few.
• 1:04:05
  I think some of the phrasing in the solos.
• 1:04:07
  I think like Stevie Ray was just so expressive.
• 1:04:10
  Yeah, yeah, you know, he's like he's having a conversation and
• 1:04:14
  thinking of it. This is phrasing like.
• 1:04:15
  Speaking of empaths. Or every egg notes was a musical
• 1:04:18
  passage in itself. That's I think.
• 1:04:20
  Stevie Ray expressed himself better than anyone ever.
• 1:04:24
  Eddie might have come close because it was their reckless
• 1:04:28
  abandoned, You know, there there was.
• 1:04:31
  I don't think you could put that music to a metronome, you know
• 1:04:34
  what I'm saying? It was those guys swing in their
• 1:04:38
  field. They were on time like a
• 1:04:40
  motherfucker. I'm not saying they weren't
• 1:04:42
  tight. They were one of the all those
• 1:04:44
  guys were the tightest musicians ever.
• 1:04:46
  But it wasn't like what I call typewriter rock.
• 1:04:49
  You know, ACDC has that swing to him.
• 1:04:52
  Stevie Ray probably professed himself through the guitar.
• 1:04:57
  I agree better than anyone else. Yeah, it was very, it, it was
• 1:05:03
  kind of mind blowing. You know, people say Blues, but
• 1:05:06
  man, there's a lot of Blues artists you can, you can go
• 1:05:09
  listen to, but, you know, great Blues.
• 1:05:12
  You'll never hear anybody like Stevie Ray Vaughan, that he was
• 1:05:15
  something different. I you know, like, I mean he was
• 1:05:18
  Stevie Ray fan and that doesn't necessarily mean I, I, I sit
• 1:05:22
  around listen to Blues all the time.
• 1:05:23
  I have I like some Freddie King songs and some B.B.
• 1:05:27
  King songs. I think they're they're catchy
• 1:05:29
  or they're they're cool and all, you know, and but I but I do I
• 1:05:33
  will say I like people like dual Braunhall junior.
• 1:05:36
  He he played Narc angels. He he's not as well known.
• 1:05:40
  He's out of Austin. I'm a fan.
• 1:05:42
  I love that he's really cool guitar player, man, He just his,
• 1:05:46
  but he's not Blues either, you know he's blue Z It's.
• 1:05:50
  Like Southern rock and the Blues had a baby.
• 1:05:53
  Right. Yeah, very.
• 1:05:55
  That's my kind of psychedelic. Yeah, very psychedelic.
• 1:05:58
  Okay, so, so kind of so kind of the same question for Brian,
• 1:06:01
  except from from vocalist standpoint singers, maybe your
• 1:06:04
  top three singers. OK, hold on.
• 1:06:06
  Can I talk about guitar players for a minute?
• 1:06:08
  Sure, absolutely. Absolutely no, Absolutely not.
• 1:06:12
  I'm a singer. I'm going to talk about guitar
• 1:06:13
  players because I have a relationship.
• 1:06:16
  I'm obsessed. Honestly, I'm obsessed with more
• 1:06:19
  guitar players than I am singers, so I love.
• 1:06:22
  This guy too, I'll tell you what.
• 1:06:25
  When I was 10 years old, I discovered Richie Blackmore.
• 1:06:30
  And. I in fact had a Memphis Fender
• 1:06:34
  Strat because I thought I wanted to play guitar.
• 1:06:36
  OK, So I did not know. OK, thank.
• 1:06:40
  Hold on. I'm getting.
• 1:06:41
  There you're. Reading you and I we're vibing
• 1:06:44
  right now. So the first album I got, Deep
• 1:06:48
  Purple had already broken up. I had never heard Smoke on the
• 1:06:51
  water, and Richie was already on with Dio in Rainbow, OK, when I
• 1:06:56
  discovered Deep Purple Live Made in Europe 1976 burn mistreated.
• 1:07:03
  When I heard mistreated, I was on the floor because of the
• 1:07:09
  tone. Yeah.
• 1:07:10
  Even as a kid I was like, wow, that something in that tone.
• 1:07:14
  Yeah, it dragged. My pickup cranked through that.
• 1:07:18
  My soul and all that. All those bending weird which
• 1:07:23
  requires. Such technical precision.
• 1:07:26
  It's out. I could talk about it all day
• 1:07:28
  long, but so Richie Blackmore, Ace Fraley from KISS.
• 1:07:31
  God bless, God bless Ace Fraley. You can sing every ace friendly
• 1:07:36
  guitar solo about. That right you.
• 1:07:37
  Can that's really important. I'm going to say Jimmy Page and
• 1:07:40
  then Michael Schenker. Nice.
• 1:07:43
  And Tony. Tony Iommi.
• 1:07:45
  Tony Iommi. Tony Iommi from the Black
• 1:07:47
  Sabbath. Yeah.
• 1:07:48
  So those are my five guys singers.
• 1:07:50
  OK, I'm going to, if I have to pick 33, I'm just going to
• 1:07:53
  randomly pick. Yeah.
• 1:07:55
  Paul Stanley of KISS. OK.
• 1:07:57
  Because KISS is the reason why I do what I do right now one.
• 1:08:00
  Of the best entertainers ever. Paul Stanley and a great singer.
• 1:08:04
  And a great. I'm going to go.
• 1:08:06
  I'm going to go, Steven Tyler and I'm going to go.
• 1:08:10
  I'm going to go. God.
• 1:08:13
  Robert Plant I. Was going to say you gotta go.
• 1:08:15
  Robert Plant. Led Zeppelin.
• 1:08:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have many, many, many.
• 1:08:19
  And those are great examples of what front men should be though.
• 1:08:23
  For sure. Yeah.
• 1:08:24
  Yeah. Man, we have Freddie Mercury,
• 1:08:28
  David. It's, it's yeah, it's endless,
• 1:08:31
  man. But I just to, to, to me, it was
• 1:08:33
  Morrison. Morrison got me into lyrical,
• 1:08:35
  the lyrics and and Marshall songs, right?
• 1:08:38
  Because, because when right, because when, when I was in high
• 1:08:41
  school, I had an English teacher that kind of realized I, I had a
• 1:08:44
  creative side of me. So she's the one that opened up,
• 1:08:47
  right? And that's what, that's what my
• 1:08:48
  English teacher did. She opened up the fact that I
• 1:08:50
  could write poems and that led me that when I then I heard a
• 1:08:54
  Doors song on on what was then classic rock.
• 1:08:57
  I'm like, holy shit, this is amazing.
• 1:08:58
  So Morrison, number one, Bono and then Vedder because they
• 1:09:02
  just they all just kind of I like to Bono's presence in the
• 1:09:06
  in the rattle and hum era, that kind of part of Bono.
• 1:09:08
  I don't like Bono now. He's he's he's oversaturated
• 1:09:11
  himself in the world. He's too political and too like
• 1:09:14
  just too just fucking stay in your just stay in your lane,
• 1:09:16
  man. Rattle and hum.
• 1:09:18
  Rattle. Yeah, but Rattle and Hum to me,
• 1:09:20
  that was that was everything. Because like you with theatre as
• 1:09:24
  a major and I was a journalism major, it's like I I learned
• 1:09:26
  that music is everything. I can take the theatre side, I
• 1:09:28
  can take the lyrical side, the writing side, the performance
• 1:09:31
  side and become all the same. Right.
• 1:09:33
  It is. Well, he totally.
• 1:09:35
  Chris just said something. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but
• 1:09:37
  you just said something that made a thought trigger in my
• 1:09:40
  head. The two songs that you sent me,
• 1:09:42
  we've all been inundated with listening to compressed music,
• 1:09:47
  right? And being a guy who's recorded
• 1:09:49
  music, I've never mastered it, but I've mixed it.
• 1:09:51
  I've recorded it. You know, I've been involved in
• 1:09:53
  the studio process for thousands of hours.
• 1:09:56
  So I'm listening to your songs and the first thing I think of
• 1:10:00
  is I fucking hate compressed music.
• 1:10:02
  I want to hear the song the way it was intended to be heard,
• 1:10:05
  right? So I put it on my surround sound
• 1:10:07
  and it made it a lot better. But I still want to hear that
• 1:10:10
  WAV file, right? I want to hear the full.
• 1:10:13
  Yes. Hell yeah, man.
• 1:10:14
  You want to feel the bass? Well, thank you.
• 1:10:17
  Yeah, thank. You so that's that's the way.
• 1:10:19
  Yeah, so there's a good, there's a good, there's a good
• 1:10:21
  transition because we're over an hour here.
• 1:10:23
  So I don't want to, I don't want to miss how people can find you.
• 1:10:26
  What you got coming up on your album drops, if you're going on
• 1:10:29
  the road, things like that. So let's talk first about the
• 1:10:31
  first album from Duvall. When's that coming out?
• 1:10:35
  Before the end of the year. OK, Yeah, yeah, real soon.
• 1:10:39
  That that's going to be the. EP Yeah, the first EP I mean.
• 1:10:42
  It's basically and that'll be called anonymous.
• 1:10:45
  OK, anonymous. Duvall with 1L.
• 1:10:47
  Yeah, Duval Duvall, that's correct.
• 1:10:50
  So we have Facebook, we have the YouTube channel, we have things,
• 1:10:54
  but Bruce is going to be in the process of, you know, we're,
• 1:10:59
  we're handing the reins over to our team and they.
• 1:11:03
  Will figure all that out. They decide all Yeah, because
• 1:11:05
  they they want to do all the promotions.
• 1:11:08
  Well, you know Bruce, first thing Bruce did is is hook us up
• 1:11:11
  with you guys. So thank you, Bruce.
• 1:11:13
  Yeah. And thank you, Bruce, again.
• 1:11:14
  For sure so awesome talking with you guys and I feel like I need
• 1:11:19
  I feel unfortunately like I need to do this every morning now did
• 1:11:23
  we mention like every you you guys have a problem the problem
• 1:11:27
  every morning now I want to have coffee and do.
• 1:11:30
  Like where's Chris and Mike? They haven't called.
• 1:11:32
  You. Well, here's what I'm happy
• 1:11:33
  about. You guys are the first people,
• 1:11:35
  and I know everybody. I totally appreciate that
• 1:11:39
  compliment and I know all the musicians that have been on here
• 1:11:42
  have had that same kind of feeling, but you guys are the
• 1:11:45
  first ones to say it out loud. You just made my dream of this
• 1:11:49
  podcast come true with that statement.
• 1:11:51
  Amen. It's a It makes it so much.
• 1:11:54
  Well, there's AII. Love talking to musicians?
• 1:11:58
  Yes. You reminded me of how some
• 1:12:01
  radio interviews I heard the questions were like, God,
• 1:12:05
  where's that? What is that even about?
• 1:12:07
  That's why I don't. That's why.
• 1:12:08
  See. Yeah, Yeah, you guys remind.
• 1:12:10
  Me of a band on break between sets.
• 1:12:13
  You know, having a shot in the beer.
• 1:12:15
  Sorry. No, no, no.
• 1:12:17
  You're good, man. I, I, you know, but that's the
• 1:12:19
  thing. When I was I had a radio show on
• 1:12:21
  iheart and I and my producers would give me shit all the time
• 1:12:24
  because they wanted me to be focused on.
• 1:12:26
  It was called Real Talk USA with the real estate guy because I
• 1:12:28
  sell houses for living. They wanted everything to be
• 1:12:31
  focused on real estate sales. And I'm like, that's not how I
• 1:12:33
  work, man. It's it's I'd rather have
• 1:12:35
  conversations and get, you know, when you have a home inspector
• 1:12:38
  on your show, there's only so many things you going to ask
• 1:12:40
  them from, right. But once you start opening up,
• 1:12:44
  once you have the dialogue, then it's like, oh, shit.
• 1:12:47
  Then you learn so much more about the process and what they
• 1:12:49
  find. What instead of.
• 1:12:50
  Well, home inspection cost 450. I think you're right with that.
• 1:12:53
  Yeah. That's your reality, your square
• 1:12:55
  footage. It's yeah.
• 1:12:56
  His argument to his producer was, do you know how dry that's
• 1:12:59
  going to be as a show if I just sit here and go, interest rates
• 1:13:03
  are four point. 235 percent you know you, you taught, You write
• 1:13:07
  about what you know or what you don't know and want to know.
• 1:13:11
  And you, you talk about things you love and are passionate
• 1:13:14
  about. What else is there to talk
• 1:13:16
  about? So we have 4 musicians in a room
• 1:13:19
  here, so to speak. And yes, this is how it's going
• 1:13:21
  to go. Because we're telling stories
• 1:13:23
  and we're, this is what we do, man.
• 1:13:26
  We're all you know. You and Mike and Chris and Dave
• 1:13:28
  Duvall and Brian are all on the same.
• 1:13:32
  We're in this universe that is unique to us.
• 1:13:35
  You can't fake having been there, done that.
• 1:13:38
  And if you say you were in a mafia and you start telling
• 1:13:41
  stories, people are going to know right away whether you
• 1:13:44
  really live that life. It's the same thing for
• 1:13:47
  musicians, firefighters, police officers and Chris always likes
• 1:13:51
  to say your life resume, right? We prefer talking to musicians
• 1:13:55
  because that's what him and I have in common for more time
• 1:13:58
  than anything. But if we have somebody on here
• 1:14:00
  that has a cool life's resume as right.
• 1:14:03
  Whatever, it makes it easy it It's just when you tell a story
• 1:14:06
  that's exactly like one of our stories with the.
• 1:14:10
  Same passion for sure. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
• 1:14:14
  So they so you guys have a website?
• 1:14:17
  I'm sorry again. So we don't have a website.
• 1:14:21
  We've got a Facebook page and YouTube.
• 1:14:23
  So what's what's coming? Okay, what's the YouTube?
• 1:14:26
  Channel. We've got a domain, you know.
• 1:14:29
  For to tell them YouTube. Tell them I tried the website.
• 1:14:34
  That's a whole nother deal, because people.
• 1:14:37
  Yeah, anyway, tell them what? The Facebook page.
• 1:14:40
  Is Facebook is let's go back to you hold on YouTube.
• 1:14:43
  What's the YouTube do? YouTube channels.
• 1:14:46
  Do ball music. On one word or two I mean.
• 1:14:50
  It's all one word. OK, Yeah, that's why I'm getting
• 1:14:52
  that because I want to, I want to be able to share your stuff
• 1:14:54
  here and it's just. There's a little bit out there.
• 1:14:58
  There's a lot more coming. Nice, yeah.
• 1:15:02
  Yeah, I'm just for what? What, How long?
• 1:15:03
  Whatever. Did you guys hook up with Bruce
• 1:15:05
  while he's pulling this up? Yeah.
• 1:15:07
  About a month ago. Are you serious?
• 1:15:10
  Yeah, man, he, Bruce is. And I met.
• 1:15:12
  Him. He makes me feel lazy.
• 1:15:14
  I can't go into the, I can't, I can't go into all the details,
• 1:15:17
  but I met him. I met him through a a local
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  guitar builder. Oh nice.
• 1:15:23
  Here in Tulsa. Yeah, we got a great, we just
• 1:15:25
  met a great guitar builder named from Mike from Monkey House
• 1:15:29
  Guitars. He's he's made guitars for Peter
• 1:15:31
  Clit from Candle Box and the two guys from Everclear.
• 1:15:34
  Mike, is it Everclear? Yeah, I know.
• 1:15:37
  I know those guys in Everclear. So.
• 1:15:39
  So yeah, tell Mike I said hi. So.
• 1:15:42
  He's an. Outstanding guy.
• 1:15:43
  The name of this guy is Glenn Morgan.
• 1:15:46
  OK, Glenn Morgan Guitars. And I, I just want to, I want
• 1:15:50
  to, I want to say thank you to Glenn Morgan too, because it's
• 1:15:52
  going Bruce. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:15:54
  Bruce to Glenn Morgan. Well, shout out to Glenn too.
• 1:15:58
  Yes, I, I think we have Glenn coming on the show, Mike.
• 1:16:00
  Oh. Sweet, there you go.
• 1:16:02
  Look at him. Thanks guys.
• 1:16:03
  I think so. Let's see.
• 1:16:05
  I would be remiss if I didn't give a shout out to Chris.
• 1:16:07
  He worked Glenn Morgan ass off booking all you guys and the
• 1:16:11
  conversation you had on the phone he was so excited about
• 1:16:14
  and he got excited to call me And to think that we started
• 1:16:19
  this together two years ago. Wow.
• 1:16:22
  I meant to send him a text when he called me.
• 1:16:24
  But thank you for all the work you're doing man.
• 1:16:26
  Thank you. It's not.
• 1:16:27
  You guys both, yeah. It's just, it's so much fun,
• 1:16:30
  man, and it takes all of us to make this happen.
• 1:16:33
  Absolutely. And I'm as humble as they come,
• 1:16:36
  so I'm appreciative that anybody wants to do this with me.
• 1:16:38
  So we need. Guys like you, man, we need guys
• 1:16:41
  like you. We need more Chris and Mike the
• 1:16:43
  industry. Need more more because it's all
• 1:16:46
  about you. So when you guys go on the road,
• 1:16:48
  if you come to Chicago, make sure you reach out to Mike.
• 1:16:51
  And if you come, if you come to Phoenix, you make sure you reach
• 1:16:53
  out to me. So I'll, I'll do a group text
• 1:16:55
  when we're done so you guys can get Mike's number 2.
• 1:16:57
  Yeah, I got friends in all both of us.
• 1:16:59
  Yeah, because you come to town. You come to town.
• 1:17:01
  I want to come see you. I want to come hang out and jam.
• 1:17:03
  We'll bring the wife. Absolutely everywhere.
• 1:17:04
  Fantastic. We will see you all soon.
• 1:17:07
  That'd be fantastic, man. Yeah.
• 1:17:09
  All right, so everyone so watch for watch for Duval's EP to drop
• 1:17:12
  by the end of this year. You can find them on Facebook
• 1:17:13
  and and YouTube and again for Chris and Michael Wrap.
• 1:17:18
  Spotify on iTunes this. Spotify on iTunes?
• 1:17:20
  Yeah. Duval on Spotify, iTunes and all
• 1:17:23
  the other streaming services. Some of them I've never even.
• 1:17:27
  Heard of and Vela Cheetah? Vela Cheetah marketing.
• 1:17:30
  Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:31
  Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, send us your logo.
• 1:17:33
  So we'll put that on the Facebook page as well.
• 1:17:35
  So, all right, don't, don't leave after I wrap up.
• 1:17:38
  We've got to make sure you guys are all good with the uploads
• 1:17:40
  and stuff. So again, for the Chris and
• 1:17:42
  Mike. Sure.
• 1:17:42
  I'm Chris. He's Mike.
• 1:17:43
  This is this is Dave and Brian from the band Duvell.
• 1:17:46
  If you're feeling depressed, suicidal, anxious, you know, go
• 1:17:49
  screaming a pillow, go journal, go outside and run.
• 1:17:51
  Go work out. Do something that's going to
• 1:17:52
  change your mindset. Don't leave a hole in somebody's
• 1:17:55
  heart because you don't want to be here tomorrow because the
• 1:17:57
  world's better with you in it. Somebody does love you.
• 1:17:59
  Somebody will miss you. So remember that.
• 1:18:01
  Text 988 if you can't find somebody to talk to because
• 1:18:03
  somebody there is standing by waiting to talk you off that
• 1:18:06
  ledge. Again, for Chris and Mike, Dave
• 1:18:08
  and Brian, this is the Chris and Mike show.
• 1:18:09
  Love you, brother. Love you guys.
• 1:18:11
  Thank you guys. So.
• 1:18:12
  Much for coming on. Thanks for all you do guys.
• 1:18:15
  You as well. And and for for Bruce Gambino
• 1:18:18
  right now, Brother Bruce, we love you.
• 1:18:20
  Man. This is the place where you will
• 1:18:49
  go. Be on the trail behind your
• 1:18:51
  eyes, feel yourself and need yourself.
• 1:18:57
  Take a moment, look at you and see him fight your battle and
• 1:19:02
  see you bum a queer. Fight your battle, fight you,
• 1:19:07
  bum a wheel. Who is this baby?
• 1:19:24
  The. Come down here, you haven't
• 1:20:34
  bounced out in the exam, you just won't fight him.
• 1:20:39
  Wait for the day when this closure out you get put in the
• 1:20:44
  wind, you went no quizzes. We don't play in the mound.
• 1:20:49
  You just, you put it on the almighty day.
• 1:20:54
  You've got a dream. Who in your life to keep our
• 1:20:59
  soul in every man? Take the trail behind your eyes.
• 1:21:05
  Feel the soul evolution now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:21:10
  yeah. Take your moment.
• 1:21:21
  Listen to your fear. Fight your family, to you.
• 1:21:25
  More clear. You
• 1:21:52
  gotta, You gotta. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.