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The ART of RADwood. With Hagerty's Art Cervantes. · That Car Show

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I remember I ride with Socal one year, John Malkovich was like
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hanging out looking at like 1 of the weirdest, quirkiest cars we
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had was but one of my favorites is Honda City Turbo.
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You know, the little wide body that that has the Moto compo in
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the back and it and, and that was like his favorite thing.
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He spent probably half an hour just kind of talking to the
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owner, like walking around checking it out, but very
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Incognito, you know, wearing a beanie and a big jacket, just
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kind of chilling. So yeah, we love it.
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Today on that car show, Radwood cofounder Art Cervantes is back.
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Radwood by Haggerty rolls into the Bay Area this weekend with
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an awesome lineup of 80s and 90s cars, some I guarantee you've
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never seen before. We're going behind the scenes of
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Radwood Norcal getting a preview of this weekend's event and we
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find out what arts driving these days himself.
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Plus, what's next for Radwood, celebration of 80s and 90s car
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culture that's taken the enthusiast world by storm since
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its inception. It's Radwood Co founder Art
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Cervantes and it's that car show.
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Hey, it's that car show and we've got our buddy Art
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Cervantes back on the show today.
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Art, of course, is the Co founder of Radwood, the OG
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celebration of 80s and 90s cars and culture.
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He's been the director of Radwood at Haggerty since 2022
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as well. He's also part of the Driving
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While Awesome gang and we're big fans of their podcast.
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Art's here to talk about this weekend's Radwood Norcal event
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which is taking place on Saturday, October 24th from 4:00
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to 8:00 PM at Gold Bar Hanger in Alameda.
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Check thisoutticketsarefreewithregistrationandcanbereserved@radwood.com.
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And there's actually early entry for Haggerty Drivers Club
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members at 3:00 PM. And if you are in the Bay Area,
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you really need to go because they are pulling out all the
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stops on this one. They've even got Mix Master Mike
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from the Beastie Boys providing the sound.
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So bring us up to speed, Art. Yeah, well, thanks for having me
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again. Love hanging with you guys both
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in person and virtually. So, yeah, here we are.
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Yeah, it's it's this is going to be just, as you said, you know,
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a massive event, a much bigger endeavor and but also just such
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a fun and experiential sort of type of event where not only do
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we have a free general admission for the first time ever.
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So this is an event that's free to attend, but we have all these
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fun elements. I'll get to mix master mic in a
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second. But one thing that is been, you
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know, as we were inspired early on and probably I mentioned last
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time I was here, we were inspired by the Goodwood folks,
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right? So Goodwood Revival, Goodwood
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Festival of Speed. The one thing that we've been
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missing is that driving element, right, is those vehicles in
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motion. So we have for the first time
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ever what we're calling a Wheels in Motion exhibition.
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So I've curated 10 iconic Radwood era cars that are going
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to be doing flybys adjacent to the venue there.
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So yeah. And this is the venue itself is
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in an old World War 2 Naval Air base.
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And for those that are familiar with distilled spirits, this is
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the old Hangar One Vodka facility.
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So we're in the hangar, Hangar One Vodka.
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So we're taking over the old hangar that used to be a Hangar
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One vodka and all of the adjacent kind of property.
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And that's where the show itself is.
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We have, you know, live entertainment as as you
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mentioned there. And then also Goodyear is our
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title partner and they have a something called the VBR set up,
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which is a virtual kind of racetrack.
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Imagine you're in a simrig, but instead of driving a virtual
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car, you're driving a physical RC car on a track, which is
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pretty cool. And the flybys themselves are
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happening adjacent to the property, like kind of on the
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old airfield and we have the San Francisco skyline as our
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backdrop. So as the cars fly by, the
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photos are going to be epic. One thing that I I apologize, I
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don't know if you mentioned this, but this is an evening,
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you know, early evening event, right?
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And so that means golden hour lighting into the night, which
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means even more lighting with, you know, bringing back that rad
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sort of factor, right? Like creating kind of a cool and
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all. Exactly.
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You got to have the neon, you got to have the cool colors and
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all of that. So this is a, a, a new concept.
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We have a fully curated show as well.
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So historically, we've never done classes per SE, but this
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time we have, you know, around a dozen classes that include
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everything from hot hatches to, you know, track toys.
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And we have vans, We have a truck Class K cars, you know,
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those little Japanese cars, you know, that are 660 CC and
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smaller, to name a few. But yeah, so really cool.
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And then to top it off, you know, on top of the fashion, of
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course, because we always encourage everyone to dress up
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here to correct clothing. We're doing period correct music
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and have an performer, an iconic performer, legendary even, you
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know, mixed master Mike from the Beastie Boys is going to be our
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headliner. So we have a couple of other
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live DJs, Beverly Chills, who's like a popular kind of, you
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know, she spends a lot of retro themed kind of house music and
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stuff like that. Yeah.
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And then we and then DJ Nardi, who's also going to be in the
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mix there, but no pun intended, but but yeah.
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So, yeah, it's it's going to be a wild one.
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Yeah. So we're really excited.
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I know we're not going to, we're not going to talk numbers just
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yet. But I can tell you just without
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getting into specifics, this will be by far our biggest event
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we've ever put on from an attendance standpoint.
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And I right as of right now, it's triple our biggest event
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we've ever had in Norcal from an attendance standpoint.
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Wow. So.
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No big deal, guys. It's going to be big, yeah.
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So, but we're really excited about it.
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I have some really, really good cars are and I we we've, you
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know, worked our team to to select these cars and the
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variety is going to be amazing. And the quality of the cars is
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incredibly high this year. So super exciting.
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That's amazing. I love it.
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Can you share some of the cars? Absolutely.
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So I'm I'm most proud of the fly by cars, the the wheels in
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motion cars because we're going to see them moving and hear them
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and and and and I was involved in in sort of cherry picking
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those. We're going to start off with a
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vector M12, so so. So not just AW 8 but an M12.
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An M12. So first of all, you never see
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vectors, period, right? And and then you never see them
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like actually running. And now we're going to see one
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actually doing a flyby multiple times across the venue.
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So yeah. So yeah, this is huge.
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And the M12 has got a Lamborghini V12 in it, from what
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I recall. I think it might be the Diablo
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engine. It's been a while, but this is
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a, a 90s. I mean, how do we describe this
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thing? A spaceship supercar thing?
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I mean, it's so far ahead of its time.
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Like the epitome. The epitome of RAD, maybe?
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Yeah, Yeah, I think so. Like, and I think, yeah, I, I've
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heard conflicting reports, but I mean, it's either one of 12 or
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one of 17. So like exceptionally rare.
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Yeah, very rare, yeah. I've I've been lucky to see like
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3 or 4 of them, but like you said, I've never seen one moving
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and certainly never doing flybys.
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So that that alone is reason to make your way to Radwood.
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I mean, that's. 100%, yeah. And I've seen three I've total,
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so you might, may have me beat one.
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Was that? Yeah, right.
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Yeah. 1 was the silver one in LA on her first Radwood SoCal
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event. And then we had, and then I saw
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the teal one in Scottsdale a few years ago and then this one.
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So these are the three. And by the way, actually I
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haven't even seen this one in person yet, so this will be my
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third. The alleged third one, yeah.
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Alleged third one. I know it exists, at least I I
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have a lot of evidence to suggest that it doesn't exist.
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So we have that guy. We have a straight piped
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Testarossa, so that'll be fun. That is allegedly, allegedly
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straight pipe. We have a Subaru 22B tribute, a
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fully built Subaru 22B tribute, Really, really nice car.
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We have two different skylines. We have a completely stocked R34
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GTR with just an exhaust. So we get a little bit of that,
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that classic RB26 sound. Then there's a a a fully built
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R32 Skyline formerly owned by Matt Farah that is now a drag
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car. Basically, it's like fully built
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as a drag car. Yeah.
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And this one is the ultra special one that you never get
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to see in motion. And, you know, popularized
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recently, it was it last year's Super Bowl.
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You know what I'm talking about during the halftime show.
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Be a Grand National. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
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You're not going to walk on it, are you?
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I might, we'll see. You know, I'm just kidding.
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I might. I might dance on it.
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But yeah, exactly the other day because.
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But yeah. It is a fully built 1 though, so
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it looks relatively stock, but, you know, very, very much like
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worked over underneath. So that'll be fun.
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What else do we have? They're always.
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So fun to see on the road. So that'd be especially fun to
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see it doing. What you're doing?
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Yeah, they're so cool. And also they're very like, it's
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like a very Bay Area car. Like there's a lot of culture
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around those cars in the Bay Area there.
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There's another one that's on display in our turbocharged
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class and that car that the turbocharged class car one Radis
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domestic and Radwood 2024 in Northern California.
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And that car is incredible. It's it's I I'd say, I mean,
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we'll see what this one looks like in person.
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Obviously, we've seen a ton of pictures of the one that's going
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to participate in these Dr. Bys or sorry, that sounds bad.
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Fly bys reverse. It.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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Yeah, but the the the one that one rat is domestic, I'd say is
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the nicest one I've ever seen by far.
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I mean it, it was pristine. Carr a little bit breathed on,
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you know, from a performance standpoint.
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But the thing that set it off for me is that it had the
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perfect set of custom built HRE wheels.
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And this is my favorite part of the story is that there were HRE
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wheels built in the 90s for a GNX, but they were never
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installed. So the guy bought them.
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He found them new old stock in boxes and put them on
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specifically to show them at Radwood with the car.
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And he ended up taking Rad's domestic.
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But they're like a basket weave mesh design, you know, so very
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much like the GNX style, but a little bit upsized.
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I think there were sixteens and, you know, in terms of the offset
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and everything, they fit beautifully.
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So yeah, but yeah, I nerd out on that sort of thing, but
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absolutely, yeah. So, but yeah, I can, I can, if
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you want, I can jump into a couple more cars of the classes
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and then we can talk a little bit more about the event.
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But. If you have a Chisetta Moroder,
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I will be hugely. I I would love to have a
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Chisetta Moroder and we've never had a Chisetta Moroder at
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Radwood. We've tried.
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Yeah, we've tried and we actually came super close
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because we we, we have that one, you know, as Radwood, you know,
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we're part of Haggerty now. We had that one.
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Jason Camisa did the icons video.
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I think it was on. And so if for a second it was it
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was at his warehouse when he was shooting it.
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So I was talking to him about possibly getting it to Radwood
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and the timing didn't work out, but we got really close.
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But let's see. So some other highlights.
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We have a class that we've always wanted to have or, you
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know, sort of the feature is what we're calling the tuners
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class. And this is not like, you know,
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import racer tuner. This is like your period tuners,
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right? So hard guess Saline Callaway,
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you know, free merger EMG, these types of things, right.
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So we have a Callaway Turbo wide body mark 1 GTI, which is
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incredible, you know, and in this type of thing is I, I love
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it because most people didn't don't know and will we educate
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folks right at our events with this sort of thing that Callaway
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started with a lot of euro cars and in in specifically E 21
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BMWs, Scirocco's and mark one and mark 2 GT is so this is kind
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of going back to their roots and, and, and so this car in
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particular is, is stunning and of course it's got a cool
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graphics package on it and all that.
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And also in that class we have a fully built spoon, you know, a
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JDM civic type R So this is an EK9, real EK9.
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And those for for those that are not aware or not in the in the,
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I guess you call them the uninitiated, right?
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Sure. Yeah, the Spoon B16B motor is a
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1.6 liter dual overhead Cam naturally aspirated motor that
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came out in the mid 90s and it Revs to 10 grand so and it makes
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peak power at like 9600. Or something insane.
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Yeah, and an. Amazing driving experience.
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Yes, and they sound unbelievable.
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And you know, on top of that, you know, you're talking about a
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1.6 liter. I think they make something like
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200 horsepower out of a little 1.6 liter naturally aspirated in
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the 90s Yeah. So that's a very special one.
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And then we have a pre merger AMG, you know, W 126 Mercedes.
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So this is the the sedan, right? Let's see.
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What else do we have real quick? Oh, I can say this officially.
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You know it's going to be good. So we have a movie car class.
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Yes, I was going to ask about. This so we have a movie car
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class we have, I'll start off slow and I'll wrap up to the to
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the big one. So we have a Lotus Esprit turbo
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from one of the you know that it was from the IT is James Bond.
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I'm spacing on the name of the movie right now, but it's the
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white one with the you know, I had the skis on the on the top.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, so you know, you know the one red livery, right or with
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the red, you know, turbo script on the side.
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Beautiful car with the BBS Molly wheels.
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We have that one, we have the the motorcycle from Terminator 2
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is going to be there and another James Bond car, the Jaguar XKRI.
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Think it's an XKR, right? The the green one, which had all
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the guns on it and stuff. Sure, sure, yeah, you know, a
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few others, a few others, but we have the Batman Returns
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Batmobile coming, so yeah. So that will be on site.
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Awesome. Yeah, and really excited about
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that one. So that's a center.
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So we'll have that guy there. And yeah.
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So this is your to give you a taste, right?
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Like this is the type of stuff. And one thing that I wanted to
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like be clear about is because this is the first time we do
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this, right, for this level of curation.
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And there's an application process and we're building out
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classes, right? And so, you know, there was some
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people who were concerned that, you know, we're being too
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selective. And, you know, we've always been
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very inclusive as a car show, right?
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We you got an 80s and 90s car. This is where you show it.
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You're welcome. You know, this is yeah.
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And this is a different concept. So we're putting on a type of a
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certain type of experience within a footprint, right?
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We have a limited space here. And so, and as you can tell, you
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know, in the hot hatch hot hatches class, for example, I'll
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go back to to show you a couple more examples.
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We have just a really, really clean stock Mark 1 GTI, right?
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We've talked about vectors, we've talked about Callaways,
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we've talked about Grand Nationals.
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It's it's, it's the full, the full spectrum, right?
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Like we're not just looking for six, six to seven figure cars
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here. It's not all supercars.
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It's we're building out these classes for with a specific
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intent here. And you know, the truck in
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class, you know, this is what what is our truck class?
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We have everything from like super rad Toyota mini trucks to
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like, you know, a huge slammed, you know, dually Crew Cab
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Chevy's from the 90s with billet grills, right?
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So, so it's, it's the full, the full thing.
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And you know, and also we have, you know, like the Pajero
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evolution in there, which is a JDM, you know, I'm all gated
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rally car. So it's, it's definitely a
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different concept and, and we're testing it out.
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We, we think this, you know, is going to go really well.
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The, the, in terms of a response standpoint, Evidently we have a
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tremendous amount of interest from an attendance standpoint so
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far people have RSVP, but it's a good point.
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But I look forward to the post event feedback too, because this
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is a different concept, right? This is the greatest hits
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collection, Yeah. I mean, this is like a museum
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quality. This is an exhibition, really, I
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mean. This is.
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The best? Exactly.
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So that's the idea, right? It's we're putting on a show,
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right And like, and it's so and when we're doing that, you know,
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it's it's a little tricky, right?
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Like that means that, you know, doesn't mean that you're 86.
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Prelude doesn't isn't going to make it because we have one of
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those and and it's, but it's the most, it's the nicest one you've
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ever seen, you know, versus, you know, like this is not the show
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where we're going to, we're going to have, you know, kind of
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anything goes. We will have other opportunities
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for that, you know, maybe some Radwood kind of themed cars and
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coffees and things like that where we can do that.
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But we're sort of doing this this, we're experimenting with
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this concept, I should say. Well, it's the full breadth of
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the cars of the RAD era and that's, you know, it's a new
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approach. But I think, like you said,
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people are going to see some like a little bit of everything,
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which is really interesting. Yeah, totally.
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Yeah, we have the the topless icons class.
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So did you? Was that a team effort naming
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the classes? Because some of them are pretty
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fun. I'd say I'll take 90% of the
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credit for them and it was kind of like this is what I want to
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do like what do you guys think? But the the topless icons
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obviously being cheeky there. You know, the same deal, right?
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Mark 1 cabriolet. You got to have the best one
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there. You got to have a Mark 1
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cabriolet. You want you want to like, oh,
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here's one that applied kind of recently that we accepted one of
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two coach built convertible Riviera.
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So this is like a 198182 Buick Riviera, but it's a convertible.
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And you know, again, we're talking about how much does this
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car worth? I don't know, 15 grand, I don't
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care, right? It's the coolest.
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Like, you know, it's, it's so rad and like it's, it's very
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welcome in that class. We have, of course, you know,
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the, the classics, right? 9/11 target G body.
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We have a guards red one, beautiful example of one of
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those and you know, those types of things.
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But but yeah, it's, it's super exciting.
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Well, it sounds like that that car epitomizes, you know, you've
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said on the website like this is Radwood with even more rad.
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And it seems like that car really epitomizes like this is
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some of the most rad. Yeah, yeah, we're it's sort of
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like, I think you right. You just had the greatest hits,
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right. It's right.
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And and and we try to incorporate as usual, right,
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Some of the rare and obscure, like in the fun stuff like this
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Riviera, right. There's gonna be a lot of this
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stuff. And of course, you know we have
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an Aster Martin Lagonda, right? Like you.
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Know Oh God, that's your peak Radwood car.
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Honestly, I think that's a cool thing. 100% yeah, it is.
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So you know, Lindsay mentioned vector being peak Radwood.
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I think peak Radwood for the 90s a 100%.
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I think Aster Martin Lagonda is peak Radwood for the 80s.
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It's those are two really good examples of because the vectors
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got the, the sort of the more rounded off, kind of like
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streamlined but still sculpted kind of approach of the 90s that
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was very popular. That's that sort of fighter jet
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silhouette. And then the 80's the the
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Lagonda's got the Super angular Jujaro esque stuff going on with
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all the weird technology and all that.
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But yeah, so it's, it's, yeah, it's all happening, man.
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We're we're amped for this. That's fantastic.
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Feels very. Like back to I think it's all
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happening. Exactly 2 things that Riviera.
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I've seen just pictures of one of those convertibilized
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Riviera's and it looks really good, like it could have been
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from the factory. Like the lines support it being
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topless right in that Aston Barton I remember seeing.
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That's a car I never saw in person as a kid.
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And I think it wasn't until a few years ago I ever saw one in
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the flesh. But every once in a while you'd
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see one in a in an ad, like in an upscale magazine like Town
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and Country or something. And.
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I think, yeah. What?
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Is this alternative reality going on where people are
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driving these spaceships, you know, with six headlights or
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whatever that one, the digital dashes and it's just that is
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such an icon, such an icon that's and and that just even a,
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a, a stock clean, you know, Mark 1 GTI would be a thing to to
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behold. So.
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Yeah, I mean, I, I, I'm the type of person that if I was, I could
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be in anything. You know, I can be in a, in a
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Lamborghini, Ferrari, whatever. And I will literally jump out of
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my car to see, to take a picture of a Mark 1 GTI if I saw it on
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the street. You know, like, like especially,
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you know, as a one that's all original like that, that just
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doesn't exist. You know, they're they're so
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rare. This one is a it's, it's the
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burgundy, you know, like that non metallic burgundy with the
21:18
burgundy interior, the blur interior, which which you also
21:22
never see. Most of them were silver or
21:24
black. So right.
21:25
So yeah, it's it's really, really cool.
21:28
But yeah, we have the also, I don't know if you guys heard we
21:30
have the Radwood build challenge going on.
21:32
So we have three cars that we're building.
21:36
Yeah. So we have a Larry Chan, Mike
21:38
Burroughs and Vin Anatra building cars for us for this
21:42
event. And so it's really exciting.
21:44
They chose their own cars. This is something that we've
21:46
collaborated with a Goodyear for and to execute this.
21:49
Then we have three cars being built.
21:51
So the shows are live on the Haggerty YouTube channel right
21:55
now, the Radmobile challenge, if you want to check it out.
21:57
And it all culminates at the event.
22:00
So they're going to be revealed in their final form at the
22:03
event. And it's basically a People's
22:06
Choice award type situation where you have to vote for these
22:09
cars in person at the event. We're not doing it digitally,
22:13
literally as analog as it gets. We're dropping in a coin into a
22:17
voting like, you know, box or, you know, ballot box or
22:20
whatever. And, and so we're, we're, we're
22:24
doing that on site and we'll reveal the winners there.
22:26
But it's going to be a $50,000 grand prize to the builder and
22:30
$50,000 grab $50,000 to a charity of their choice.
22:34
So $100,000 grand prize for this one.
22:37
So it's, it's huge. This is massive.
22:38
And you know, it's, it's, it's down to the wire now.
22:42
I'm like, I'm a little bit, you know, in the know what's going
22:44
on and they're kind of buttoning up their stuff right now.
22:47
And it's, it's, it's their, their builds are super cool
22:49
though. They did a really good job and
22:50
the show's fun. I I don't know if you guys had a
22:52
chance to check out the episodes yet, but.
22:53
Not yet. Can you tell us without
22:55
revealing you know your behind the scenes knowledge?
22:58
Can you tell us which cars everybody chose?
23:01
Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
23:02
So Larry Chen is doing and late 90, I think it's a 96 accord, 95
23:08
or 96 Accord. It's an Sir.
23:10
So it's a Japanese spec car that he imported from Japan and he's
23:13
doing a sort of a retro, what at the time was called a JGTC,
23:19
eventually became Super GT. So it's like the touring car
23:22
championship, like an inspired sort of build.
23:25
Yeah. And these cars were, you know,
23:27
it's sort of the equivalent of like BTCC or DTM in Europe, but
23:31
in Japan. And these cars are pretty
23:33
iconic. They they had a Castro livery
23:37
car that was super cool. And there was like the jacks one
23:39
that he's sort of kind of building his build around.
23:42
But I, I'm not going to reveal what livery he chose.
23:45
You guys can check that out, But it's, it's that so these cars
23:49
are it's basically like a full race car, super slam to the
23:52
ground, big wheels that inspired by that.
23:55
And he's got a little additional sort of flair that he's added
23:59
that comes out from under the hood.
24:01
You'll see that on the episode. And that was inspired by a
24:04
recent trip to Thailand because he saw some folks.
24:06
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a great series of
24:09
videos that he did for you, too, for Haggerty.
24:11
Yeah. Yeah, that was a good one.
24:13
And then Vin has got, you know, I mentioned it dually, he's got
24:18
a huge 90s. I don't know what it's not a
24:23
Silverado, but it's a, you know, a Chevrolet Crew Cab dually,
24:28
just the gigantic thing is 25 feet long.
24:30
I had a measure because I'm doing the the sort of the
24:32
presenting presentation on site the.
24:35
Engineers need to know then. They need to know.
24:38
Yeah, and he's basically doing like a 90s inspired build,
24:42
right? So just color matched the grill
24:45
to the paint and everything. It's white and he's got some
24:49
really cool custom wheels on it and all of these different
24:51
little sort of accessories of the air, right, Like the little
24:54
spoilers and and all that kind of stuff.
24:57
And then, yeah, it's it's it's definitely got very much at home
25:01
at our show. And then Mike Burrows is
25:04
building a Lotus Esprit turbo from the early 90s.
25:07
And so that's a car that. Yeah, exactly.
25:11
I'm going to do the what is it a big mistake?
25:15
Yeah, yeah. We'll be expecting reenactment
25:17
videos of you with that with the car.
25:20
Yep. Yeah, big mistake.
25:22
Yeah. So it's.
25:23
A great license plate for vanity plate.
25:26
If you could fit that, it would be perfect, yeah.
25:29
Yeah, it would be perfect. Yeah, maybe I should.
25:32
Yeah, Well, there is AI know what license plate is going on
25:36
that car at the show, which I'll get to in a second, but that
25:38
already has been selected for a reason.
25:41
But so it's so Lotus is free turbo.
25:43
He's doing like a cool sort of like retro kind of race car
25:46
theme build as well. You know, he's got all sorts of
25:49
custom componentry that he's he's he's put together and he's
25:53
finding that it has to be right. Like I say, custom and it's not
25:56
by choice, but it's because there isn't a tremendous amount
25:59
of support for these cars, you know, and so, you know, they're,
26:02
they're they're pretty rare, as you know, and, and, and they, a
26:05
lot of them weren't modified, you know, they, they were kept
26:07
pretty stocked. So, but but it's a cool, you
26:09
know, wedgie, you know, classic silhouette from that era.
26:13
So I alluded to the license plate.
26:15
So on top of the fact that, you know, these cars are being built
26:19
for Radwood to display at Radwood and we have this amazing
26:21
grand prize, they're actually going to be sold on Haggerty
26:25
Marketplace after the fact. So Haggerty Marketplace is, you
26:29
know, our auction platform, right?
26:31
And so these cars will be listed there and anybody can buy them.
26:35
So these cars will be I think listed the week after.
26:39
So that's the the target right now, yeah.
26:42
Wow. So they're not even building
26:43
them for themselves. It's a real labor of love and
26:45
then the charity and then totally on to the next.
26:48
Yeah, they're sort of like kind of, you know, it's their flavor
26:52
and their sort of approach to a build, right, that's going into
26:54
it, but it's not for that. Yeah, which is pretty that's.
26:57
Wild. So what?
26:58
Makes. Build like truly Radwood worthy
27:01
as opposed to like just a cool modified car.
27:05
Yeah. Well, you start with the age
27:07
that or the era of the car, but then it's the it's sort of that
27:10
aesthetic, right. And so like as I mentioned with
27:14
but all of these cars have that going right.
27:16
So like, you know, Larry's going with that classic JGTC style,
27:20
like, you know, build like with a body kit, the stance, the
27:23
wheels and also the livery, the style of the, you know, the
27:27
actual graphics package that goes on the car.
27:29
Same with with Mike's car. So the Lotus Esprit he is, he
27:34
wrapped it in like a VHS cassette, like you know, do you
27:41
remember like the sleeves that had?
27:43
Like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:45
So it was, I can't remember if it was like Maxell or something
27:48
like that, but it's one of those, you know, So it's you
27:51
have to look it up. You'll see it on there was.
27:52
One that was kind of, it was similar to the graphic on your
27:55
hat actually it was like black with like a three stripe.
27:58
Similar, right? Exactly.
27:59
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This one is inspired by the
28:02
Toyota like Iron Man Stewart, like sort of like Baja racers,
28:06
but the the Vince car, our truck rather has got the you know, so
28:12
one detail that was really popular in the 90s for trucks
28:15
was they would sort of de Chrome them and and the Chrome would
28:18
get painted the same color as the body.
28:21
So he's doing that and then where you do have from sometimes
28:25
it's replaced with billet. So we're doing that sort of
28:28
thing. Also, the this is when things
28:30
got the people started messing with with lighting to changing
28:34
them from like, you know, amber to clear corners and you know,
28:36
or different colors. He also found like a retro
28:39
spoiler. I think.
28:41
I don't know if it ended up going on now.
28:43
I'm like fuzzy. It's been quite a few last
28:44
couple of weeks, but. I mean, you say that like the
28:47
last few days before an event are busy.
28:49
Yeah, not not, yeah, we're just chilling.
28:51
But I think it's, I think he, he did find the boomerang like a
28:56
antenna that used to go on the old limos.
29:00
So I'm pretty sure he added one of those.
29:03
Yeah. So that's the kind of stuff that
29:05
that's all Radwood approved, right?
29:06
All those little touches that make it what it is.
29:09
That's so funny. Those were fascinating to me as
29:12
a kid because they looked unlike anything else.
29:13
And it was this weird symbol of sort of wealth and opulence that
29:16
you'd only see on limos in like, the occasional custom van, you
29:19
know, Right? Totally.
29:20
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
29:21
And it's neat that these cars are going on.
29:23
Haggerty Marketplace. It's funny.
29:25
You know, Andrew Ganz, right, Editor Haggerty.
29:28
That's his 993 behind me. I was thinking, you know,
29:30
wouldn't it be funny if I submitted this marketplace and
29:34
see how long it took to pick? Up you should that be funny see
29:37
if it is to see like how yeah how long it takes right before.
29:41
End of the link. Thought you might be interested
29:43
in this call. Something you might like.
29:46
He's a neighbor, which is why it's there, but.
29:48
I see. Great.
29:49
All right. Well, that's nice of you.
29:50
I want a neighbor like that. Yeah, a little muddy.
29:53
At all too, but yeah. OK, All right.
29:55
Yeah. Or I was gonna say, does this
29:56
partner know about this car? You know, is it one of those
29:59
situations? I'm pulled away everywhere on
30:01
the north side of town. Yeah, exactly your question, no.
30:05
Yeah, OK. Oh, OK.
30:07
Well, you know, I, I've been in that scenario, like, I mean, I'm
30:10
not gonna disclose to, but a friend of mine is like, hey man,
30:13
I just got this E12 BMW and I'm going to store it at my.
30:18
He has a little warehouse where you whatever.
30:20
And and so it's he was claiming that it was actually, you know,
30:25
a customer. And, and so so anyways, I went
30:30
with. It.
30:31
I went with it, but I never had to say anything.
30:33
I just if it came up, see, so I never lied, but and then the
30:37
other one that I was going to another instance was going back
30:41
to your comment about listing, you know, the 993 I once was
30:45
selling an E36M3 and it was this is on the Craigslist days,
30:49
right? And one of my friends, you know,
30:54
I'm going to calm friend loosely because listen to what he did to
30:57
me. He actually replicated my ad
31:00
again with that unbeknownst to me and dropped the price by like
31:04
50%. And like, and, and, and I all,
31:07
and, but it was like, he also changed the copy a little bit
31:10
like, oh, like urgent, like I got to, I got to move it now,
31:12
you know, kind of a thing, like, you know, my wife's going to
31:14
kill me kind of thing. And, and so all of a sudden I
31:17
got like tons of emails for the car and I'm like, what is going
31:20
on? You know, like, like, just like
31:22
within hours of him posting this, I found out later and I'm
31:25
like, what is happening? And I'm responding and I'm like,
31:27
OK, I'm like just, you know, trying to like, kind of, you
31:30
know, answer questions and a line on me.
31:32
But it went from like, it went from like, OK, like getting, you
31:34
know, the typical kind of like tire kicky stuff to like, I'll
31:39
I'll show up like right now to buy your car kind of a thing.
31:41
You know I have a. Bag of money burning a hole in
31:43
my. Yeah.
31:45
And then and so later on that day, Alex, you bastard, Alex.
31:53
Alex told me, you know? Yeah, exactly.
31:56
Alex is like, yeah, dude, I totally did this thing.
31:58
And he deleted the ad, and he thought it was hilarious.
32:01
I thought it was funny for a second, but yeah.
32:05
Varying degrees of enthusiasm for.
32:08
The Frank Yeah, by the way, you know you guys will love this.
32:11
So you know, as you guys are aware, you know, Radwood era car
32:14
values are through the roof now and this is when so I this was a
32:18
very rare car. This was the car yellow M345.
32:22
So this is an M3 sedan E36 with a 5 speed slick top, which I had
32:27
probably mentioned last time sure.
32:30
And I this car had some miles on it, right?
32:33
Like I don't remember at the time, but this is in 2016.
32:38
Call it I don't remember 20/17/2016, but it's a very,
32:41
very rare car, right? And like, and it was impeccable.
32:44
It was it was in pristine condition, but it had 140,000
32:48
but all records since new to owner car all this and I think I
32:52
wanted 13 five for it. And I got like so much Flack
32:57
like they're like, Oh my God, with that mileage and blah,
32:59
blah. And it was just like, I got so
33:01
much Flack for it. And now that car is worth what,
33:04
30 grand maybe? And.
33:08
We say more than double, yeah. More than double, right.
33:11
And we're seeing that trend right now, like it's the
33:14
interest in this era of car right now is wild.
33:19
And we're seeing that, you know, like by far, we have like the
33:21
Radwood index to the Rad index, we call it.
33:23
And so, and it's like the hottest like segment outside of
33:26
like modern day supercars, which are also going through the roof
33:29
right now. But and, and it's, it's
33:32
definitely something that is now kind of a double edged sword for
33:35
me, right? Because it's like, shoot, we had
33:37
a kind of a bit of a kind of help trigger all of this and now
33:42
like all the stuff that I want is too valuable.
33:44
Right. You made it inaccessible to
33:46
yourself. Yeah.
33:47
Yeah, you call this stuff the millennia era cars, is that?
33:51
So, yeah, so we have millennia era.
33:53
We introduced, yeah, a new class at this event.
33:56
So it's 2000 to 2010 and that's sort of the next generation,
34:00
right? So it's sort of an introducing
34:02
kind of like, and, and those cars are super hot now too.
34:05
And this is all generational, right?
34:06
Like, I mean, it's, it's these Gen.
34:08
Xers and and millennials who are now like, and even the younger
34:12
crowd, you know, the next group. Is that whatever that is?
34:16
Is that what? What is that?
34:17
After that. Yeah, the one after that.
34:19
So kids in their, you know, late 20s, even 30s and it, it has a
34:24
lot to do with the same stuff, right?
34:25
It's like, you know what, what we were, you know, lusting
34:27
after. We were when you were in high
34:29
school and couldn't afford. And now you have some money and
34:31
you're now seeking out the best examples of that or just
34:34
whatever you can get. And naturally limited, you know,
34:37
availability and inventory because they aren't there.
34:39
Only so many exist. And so now you're seeing E39 M
34:42
fives, B6 figure cars. You're seeing, you know,
34:45
obviously the nine elevens are insane.
34:47
And you know, all all this stuff from the early 2000s in in into
34:51
that era. So 2000 and 2010 we're calling
34:54
Millennium. OK.
34:56
So how did you decide, or how do you decide when a new group or a
35:00
new era is ready to be embraced by the Radwood, you know, sort
35:04
of ethos? Yeah, I actually was just
35:07
looking at values, you know, so and I started to see what's
35:10
going on in the auction space and like, you know, being in
35:12
Monterey, right, You're like, what is going on?
35:14
Like all of a sudden like, you know, think there's a lot more
35:16
interest. And and then also, you know, it
35:20
started with us a couple of years ago where a lot of people
35:24
with these cars wanted to bring them to Radwood and they're
35:26
like, we don't have a place, you know, like these are now
35:29
interesting collectible cars. And, you know, I have the best,
35:33
you know, E30 or E46 M3, I have the best ZO6 Corvette, I have
35:38
the best whatever. And, and it's just kind of like
35:42
still treated as a used car, but like, you know, I don't think
35:45
it's that, right. And so, and then we got in these
35:47
conversations about kind of like the last of this sort of analog
35:52
kind of experience, right? And so these are the cars that,
35:57
you know, into these, the early 2000s, I should say, that are
36:01
modern, right? By, you know, relatively modern,
36:04
you know, they have GPS and all that, but it's, but they're
36:06
still pretty analog, right? Like, especially when it comes
36:09
to performance cars, most of them are manual transmissions.
36:11
They don't have a ton of, you know, of the, the, the, the
36:15
nannies and the electronics and you, and if they do have them,
36:18
they're all, you know, that you can turn them off, which is kind
36:20
of and, and now there's cars that yeah, exactly that don't
36:24
allow that, right? So less screens and all that
36:27
kind of thing. So and so now it's, it isn't
36:30
just, you know, that next generation, it is, it is us, you
36:34
know, it's all of it because it is kind of a, some people say
36:37
peak car, right? Like, you know, like mid 2000s
36:40
is kind of like that era of like sort of that perfect balance of
36:44
modernity and, and, and still engagement and analog mix.
36:47
Yeah. Definitely an inflection point
36:49
for sure. So I saw that one of the classes
36:52
is hot hatches, like you said, and we happened to be talking
36:56
about that amongst Dan and Ryan and I recently.
36:58
And so if you could convince 1 manufacturer to bring back a hot
37:04
hatch, either as it was in its heyday or, you know, modernized
37:09
for the current era, which one would you pick and why?
37:14
Well, let me clear my throat for that.
37:17
Yeah, great question. I'm so glad you had.
37:20
The Beastie Boys, Yeah. Yeah.
37:22
Well, you know, The funny thing is that like Honda is doing a
37:26
phenomenal job. Like they they actually have
37:28
that. They have a Civic Type R that's
37:30
a phenomenal car. They have the Integra Type S,
37:32
which is amazing. I don't know like.
37:34
We both had had one as press cars and like definitely did not
37:38
want to give it back. Yeah, they're amazing cars.
37:41
The only thing that's missing is natural aspirated 2 door thighs
37:48
shrunk. Give me a small agile, you know
37:51
like naturally aspirated car, which is like a truly.
37:54
Like a hot hatch? Yeah.
37:55
Right, and so that's unfortunately not really a
37:57
thing, right. It's it's so tough.
37:58
But I mean, like I I would love me that from Honda, like, you
38:02
know, so there's that. And I can say the same thing
38:05
about a Peugeot or something. You know, you go into Europe and
38:08
the European cars, like they do have some of these, you know,
38:11
hatchbacks still out there, but like everything is just so heavy
38:14
and like laden with like tech and like, and everything's
38:17
turbocharged now. So like I just would like that
38:20
purity of like, you know, so it it I would take it from anybody.
38:23
I would take it from Volkswagen, I would take it from Honda, I
38:26
would take it from, you know, Renault Peugeot.
38:28
You know, there's some Citroen angles here.
38:31
And so I think it's just a matter of like being able to
38:34
produce something that unfortunately is 1 going to be
38:37
extremely niche. And then also from a, you know,
38:39
safety standpoint, and there's all these, you know, emissions
38:41
regulations and all that, that really make it almost impossible
38:44
now to do, you know, so it ends up being a kind of a, a custom
38:48
sort of bespoke skunkworks thing that, you know, that someone
38:51
else has to make. But, but that's sort of the the
38:54
thing that I would love to see. And unfortunately it's, you
38:56
know, we just have, well, not unfortunately, we can lean on
38:58
the stuff that already we can go back to the Radwood era stuff.
39:03
But I mean, I, I, I will say if I really had to like go One
39:07
Direction and, and, and, and choose one manufacturer.
39:10
I'm, I'm still very much like a JDM guy at heart.
39:12
I started racing, you know, CR XS and, you know, Civics and
39:16
Integra's back in the day. And, and I love like, like what?
39:20
Like they just understand it so well, right.
39:23
Like you look at the Type R kind of like main plate and what they
39:26
did with those cars back in the in the early 90s and into the
39:30
late 90s, like they're they just really, really captured that
39:33
essence of like purity, you know, not super powerful, but
39:37
just super well balanced, extremely stiff, like chassis,
39:41
you know, stitch, Weld, steam welded chassis with very high
39:44
revving naturally aspirated motors and arguably the best
39:46
shifting transmissions you will find anywhere.
39:49
And like, you know, keep it simple, you know, LSD,
39:52
lightweight, good visibility, good seats, like all of that,
39:57
right. So just keeping it as simple and
39:59
analog as possible and. I think that would probably be
40:02
it. I would go with a Honda, give me
40:04
an OG Civic Type R, but yeah, yeah, more in a modern package
40:09
there. You go, yeah, yeah.
40:10
Well, I think you had visibility is something that I think in a
40:13
lot of cars currently is can be challenging.
40:16
So that's a key point. Yeah, and I know it's I can go
40:20
back to the safety thing, right? I mean, it's all you got to make
40:22
those ABC pillars thicker. You got to add airbags
40:25
everywhere and all that. And I get it.
40:27
I mean, that's, I want that when I'm driving around with my kids,
40:30
you know, and, and, and, you know, I don't think about that
40:33
when I'm ripping around in my, my E30.
40:35
That's like, you know, fully built and has, you know, all
40:39
twice the horsepower what it came with or whatever, you know,
40:41
and it's got and the A pillars are like, you know, an inch and
40:44
a half thick. But like, but it also creates
40:46
that experience, right, of that visceralness and that engagement
40:49
and, and that that, that is unique to those cars, which is
40:52
why we love them so much. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:55
Well, let's get back to the event real quick because, well,
40:58
first question, you're gonna get to sleep at all before now and
41:00
then. I've been averaging 5 hours of
41:03
sleep for the last 10 days and I have a feeling that the next
41:07
couple of days may be the same or less.
41:10
Yeah. It's gonna be amazing.
41:13
It's. Caffeinated.
41:14
I'm between caffeine and hydration right now.
41:16
Double. Testing right now, yeah, it's,
41:18
it's going to be incredible. It's at a scale, like you said,
41:21
unlike anything you've ever done before.
41:22
When you, you know, think back to when you started this whole
41:25
Radwood concept. Let's call it a concept, right?
41:27
Because that's what it is. Did you ever in your wildest
41:30
dreams think you'd be doing what you're doing on Saturday?
41:33
No, like we like literally it was a total experiment.
41:37
Like we're just, we thought it would, if anything, it would be
41:39
like a little cars and coffee thing that we would do once a
41:41
month, you know, and, and people would be into it, but it really
41:44
struck a nerve, right? Like, and and it changed the
41:47
industry even. So, like it's pretty wild.
41:49
And just Lindsay, as you were saying, right, timing is, is
41:51
everything right? And we just like, it was sort of
41:53
like it was conversations, it was how we felt.
41:57
And and then all of like, we're like, OK, we have these cars,
42:00
we're into them and like we're starting to see people.
42:03
I remember one of the conversations at the time that
42:05
we had, this is pre Radwood by about a year from what I recall,
42:10
what it was when, sorry, it was Randy of Bring A Trailer sold
42:16
his personal E30M3 on Bring A Trailer and it was $55,000.
42:21
And we're like what? And this is circa 2015 or
42:26
something, you know? And no.
42:27
One's heads explode, Yeah. Yeah.
42:29
And and that was like, OK, there's what is happening,
42:32
right. And then and then all of a
42:33
sudden we started seeing more, more of that.
42:35
And then, OK, now the now the Supra's and now the this, you
42:38
know, and we're like, OK, what is happening, right?
42:40
993? And at that point, not only did
42:43
we say internally we're like, all right, we gotta start buying
42:45
these cars before we can't afford them, but also like,
42:48
obviously there's a lot of interest in these things now.
42:50
So let's figure out ways to celebrate that and have a
42:52
platform to go and enjoy these things.
42:56
Yeah, well, you recognize the need.
42:58
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's it. Just, hey, I was, the timing was
43:01
super crucial and and we jumped on it and now, yeah, with this
43:05
millennia thing, we're we're seeing a lot of interest in that
43:07
class. I mean, that one filled up
43:09
pretty quickly and there's a lot of good stuff, man.
43:11
I mean, there it, it doesn't have to be super cars.
43:13
There's just so many great cars in that area.
43:16
Absolutely. I I just had a vision of a Mazda
43:18
millennia. Do you remember this?
43:19
This was going to be what was the what was their luxury brand
43:22
going to be? And this was the only car that
43:24
came out and it was wow, God, yeah, I can't remember, but it
43:29
was supposed to be its own, its own brand.
43:31
I didn't know that. I well, I didn't know that.
43:33
I, I knew that. Well, the Mazda Millennia, I
43:35
know intimately very well. My sister had one and yeah, when
43:38
she was in high school and I'm like 3 years older than her.
43:41
Yeah. And so.
43:42
And it was a really trippy car, right?
43:44
Like like Atkinson cycle supercharger.
43:46
Yes. And like Amanti, Amanti.
43:48
Oh, Amanti, yes, that's right. I do remember that.
43:52
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
43:53
And yeah. So yeah, it's funny because that
43:56
is a 90s car, but like, as I was thinking through names, right,
44:00
we're kind of riffing on name set internally.
44:02
I just thought of that name. But I, I wanted to represent the
44:05
era. But like you don't want to be
44:07
also like, because you know, as you're thinking through this,
44:10
like you don't want to sort of like pigeon hole yourself.
44:12
Like and just, you know, let's say that we want to evolve into
44:16
expanded into 2015, right as things move along.
44:19
Like I, I was originally thinking like 00, like I really
44:23
like that visually. And I really like like, you
44:26
know, it's like the aughts, right?
44:27
And like that whole thing. And so like calling it 00 would
44:31
be a cool concept, but then like now you're kind of stuck with
44:34
that. And so like, all right, well,
44:37
Y2K, it's like it's kind of everybody uses that.
44:39
It's already been used. There's shows that use it.
44:42
And then there's, that's also very much like a turn of the
44:45
century thing, right? It's like very tied to that time
44:48
frame. So, you know as we're.
44:50
Thinking it's gonna crash, you know?
44:52
And your and your website's gonna crash.
44:53
Yeah, man, do you? I remember the stickers.
44:55
Yeah. Like it?
44:57
Was the whole. Thing yeah, that was that was
45:00
super funny I remember like as we all did right sitting by her
45:03
computer at midnight and like nothing happened like I'm here
45:08
show yeah yeah. Waiting, I mean.
45:11
Well. All the considerations and
45:13
predictions and all the preparations and just to have it
45:17
all amount to a blip. Nothing.
45:19
Yep, Yep. Yeah, nothing.
45:21
Got your outfit planned for this weekend?
45:23
Yeah. So we're actually doing
45:25
something really fun. Historically, when we first
45:28
started this, for the first couple of years, we as staff
45:32
used to all get fully decked out, right?
45:34
Yeah. And then after like little.
45:36
But even that second year, we're like, you know what?
45:38
We're all sweaty running around like, you know, we're it's like,
45:41
you know, our Prince wig is falling off.
45:43
And like, you know, it's like, we're just thinking out, like
45:46
maybe we'll just put on a standard Radwood T-shirt and
45:48
kind of call it a day and wear a hat.
45:50
Functional, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
45:52
And and by the way, you like what you see go to the merch
45:56
booth, right? So that sort of thing.
45:58
But this event for the first time ever, we're all wearing
46:03
Adidas track suits. So awesome.
46:07
Yeah, which is pretty sweet. So we're wearing a neon green
46:10
T-shirt underneath where our brand with Radwood by Haggerty
46:13
on it. And then we'll we'll be rocking
46:15
like the Run DM run DMC style. Nice track suit so.
46:18
Yeah, not quite Heaven's Gate cult, but you know, that's.
46:22
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Image you know that
46:23
you're looking for, Yeah. Although, yeah, although
46:27
although we you know what, what was that 90s?
46:30
I think that's Radwood era I. Think it was Y2K right?
46:34
Or once it was a comet right? Hale, Bop.
46:36
Or Bobby's Comet. Or Bobby.
46:38
It's Hale Bop. Yeah.
46:40
And they were gonna be. It's a ride on the tail.
46:42
Yeah cuz I mean if it was 90s we should have the bar serve
46:46
Kool-aid and we can all we could do it.
46:50
We're just gonna combine all the cults together.
46:52
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think it was.
46:54
It was late 90s I. Think, OK, OK, there was a lot
46:57
going on. Yeah, yeah, that was a weird.
47:00
That was a. Weird to keep track of.
47:02
So glad things have evened out now right and things are are
47:05
back to normal but. Yeah, yeah.
47:06
Things are nothing, nothing weird going on now.
47:08
Yeah, everything is nothing to. See here.
47:10
Move along. Well, I hope you guys are gonna
47:12
do a group picture of all of you in your track suits.
47:15
Because I we, we have to absolutely.
47:18
Yeah, yeah, we have, yeah, Yeah, we have.
47:22
You know, there's plenty of opportunities.
47:24
I was thinking just like, you know, we have plenty of
47:26
opportunities to sort of stage that right, with great backdrops
47:29
and all that. Because so the, the warehouse
47:31
itself, so where I mentioned, you know, we're pinging over the
47:34
Hangar One vodka, old Hangar One now it's gold bar whiskey.
47:36
So that's a new distillery that's taking over.
47:39
And we partnered with them on this and they're going to have
47:41
an activation there. There is a rumor, rumors on the
47:45
Internet, as they say, I can't promise anything that a certain
47:50
Montana may show up from the 49ers because he is associated
47:56
with said distillery and he has some limited edition kind of
47:59
collabs with them and he is very aware of our event.
48:02
He's a fan and and he may make an appearance.
48:06
I can't guarantee anything. So that's that's on the table
48:09
right now. But gold bar is going to have
48:11
sort of an activation there with their sort of whiskey tasting
48:13
situation there with some of their whiskeys.
48:16
And one of them is is 1 of this one of these Joe Montana kind of
48:20
partner deals and they're they're going to be handing out
48:23
really cool schwag. They have these little I'm, I'm
48:26
sort of like agnostic when it comes to idol.
48:28
I'm not a football guy, but like when I was a kid, I grew up in
48:31
the Bay Area or close by. Yeah, there were those like
48:34
classic gold 49ers jackets, the starter jackets.
48:38
Yeah. And so they're like mini starter
48:40
jackets, 49ers starter jackets, but that are like koozies, you
48:43
know, amazing. And they're and they're gonna be
48:46
handing those out at their booth, which I got a snag a few
48:48
of those very. Ugly era Exciting.
48:51
Yeah, awesome. Yeah, well, we're also gonna
48:53
have a couple, you know, ping pong tables, We're on the
48:58
street, possibly some air hockey tables.
49:00
We're gonna have a full lounge there adjacent to the Goodyear
49:03
Lounge, where we'll have a custom, also some custom
49:06
beverages that are, you know, sort of throwback, right?
49:10
Nice. And yeah, so we're just
49:12
immersive as we do, you know, with with all of it, the music
49:14
and the fashion and all of that. So of course, we still have our
49:17
Raddest Dressed Awards. So please come dress the part
49:20
that's it's a really, really fun presentation that we have.
49:23
And we have Christy Lee of Overhaul and fame and a bunch of
49:27
stuff she's worked with us in the past and she's gonna be
49:30
emceeing that the, the sort of the fashion show piece with us
49:33
and cool. And we're gonna be doing the,
49:35
the commentary for the, the, the wheels in motion piece together
49:39
as well. So those as, as those stars, you
49:41
know, fly by. And so, yeah, it's, it's gonna
49:43
be fun, man. I'm, I'm so excited, especially
49:45
because, you know, you guys know this probably from last time,
49:49
but I'm, I'm a photographer, you know, hobbyist.
49:51
And so when we started Radwood, I was super keen on like, all
49:54
right, this is an opportunity to create cool, a cool environment
49:58
and curate cars to, to basically be able to shoot them in a, in a
50:01
cool space and not just all lined up in rows as all car
50:04
shows are, right. And so this particular setting
50:08
where where we're talking about not just the flybys, but the
50:11
cars that are going to be on display, including the build
50:14
cars, they're set against the San Francisco skyline.
50:17
So we have the full skyline in the background with the Bay
50:20
Bridge and the Port of Oakland. So maybe we get some cool ships
50:24
kind of floating by. And on top of that, it's gonna
50:26
be golden hour. So it's like perfection for
50:30
photography. So, so I'm really excited and
50:33
I'm gonna have my phone, but you know, Larry Chen's gonna be
50:35
shooting, of course. And we have our all of our
50:36
photographers on site, but like. Enjoy fucking Montana with his
50:40
arm around you, I mean. I really, I really, really.
50:44
Yeah. We'll see.
50:44
I really, really hope so. Because yes, it's funny.
50:48
Yeah, there's just a rumor, but like legit like was was brought
50:51
up by the venue as a possibility a couple of years ago.
50:55
I don't know if it was 2023 or 2024 at Radwood Norcal, the
50:59
raddest dressed award went to a guy who was fully decked out in
51:03
Joe Montana gear for a period, Correct.
51:05
With the helmet like all day pads everything and it was 80°
51:09
you. Better win.
51:11
Yeah, yeah, it was 80° and he walked around like that all day
51:14
just taking pictures of everyone and and so he 100% won.
51:18
But he's. Come full circle, you know.
51:20
And there he goes. Now we get the real deal.
51:22
So yes, if I do meet Joe, I'll have to show him the pictures of
51:26
it. And yeah, I mean, but also, you
51:29
know, going back to that reminder of like, you know, this
51:31
is the Bradward Darkell. No joke.
51:33
Like people come out like they, they dressed up, you know, and
51:36
we've had everything from Cindy Loppers to slash to, you know,
51:40
not the real ones, but, you know, the the outfits are being
51:43
who's to say? Yeah.
51:44
Or maybe they were Incognito, you know, Yeah, yeah.
51:46
They. Were like, I get that all the
51:48
time. I look exactly like Cyndi
51:49
Lockford, so. Weird.
51:50
Yeah, we do have, you know, we do have celebs that come to our
51:53
events and they they're great. They just want to be they're
51:56
just car people or kind of love the air and everything and we
51:58
leave them alone, right. And they just cruise around.
52:00
I remember I ride with Socal one year.
52:02
John Malkovich was like hanging out looking at like one of the
52:06
weirdest, quirkiest cars we had was.
52:08
But one of my favorites is Honda City Turbo.
52:12
You know, the little wide body that has the Moto compo in the
52:15
back. And that was like his favorite
52:19
thing. He spent probably half an hour
52:20
just kind of talking to the owner, like walking around,
52:22
checking it out, but very Incognito, you know, wearing a
52:25
beanie and a big jacket, just kind of chilling.
52:27
So yeah, we love it. That's what's so fun is how many
52:30
people are car people. And you know, you're not
52:34
expecting like, oh, there's going to be a movie star here.
52:37
And so they are. They're just, we're all just car
52:39
people. Yeah, totally.
52:41
Yeah, I John, not the tour a car.
52:43
Yeah, right, right. It's incredible.
52:46
I love it. Perfect.
52:47
I I need to ask. I need to ask that question if I
52:49
see him again. Yeah.
52:51
Yeah, it's, it's, Well, I mean, I mean, this is sound, this is
52:54
silly, but I mean, I live in, in Santa Barbara, you know, in
52:57
South California. So I, I, I see celeb types
53:00
pretty regularly. And like, and it's literally the
53:03
same stuff. Like they've got their kids in
53:05
one hand and then the other one's crying because they wanted
53:07
the pastry And like, you know, and just, it's, it's in drop is
53:10
dropping off at school and like at the PTA meetings.
53:13
It's just, it's, you forget that these are just real people.
53:16
They have a very high profile job that exposes them to the
53:19
world, but they they have the same stuff to deal with as
53:22
everybody. Else, right, Dinner still needs
53:24
to be on the table, the kids still have to do their homework,
53:26
all of that. Totally, Yeah, Yeah.
53:27
Whether or not they have assistance is a whole different
53:29
story. Yeah, but, but, but it's also,
53:32
but it's also nice to see that a lot of folks like that are very
53:35
involved. And, and even when they do have
53:36
that help, it's that they're doing it themselves and want to
53:39
be making those decisions. So like going to a car show and
53:43
just walking around? Yeah, well, it's like, we joke
53:46
like stars. They're just like us.
53:47
But in some ways they are. Yep.
53:50
But cars are the common denominator, and that's the
53:52
beautiful thing about all this. And you know that better than
53:54
than any of us. And we want to be respectful of
53:57
your your time here, Art, because we know you've got a
53:59
busy few days. I'm doing right now, yeah.
54:01
I've got another 30 minutes if you guys need.
54:03
Yeah, OK. Yeah, yeah, All right.
54:05
What are you driving these days? What's in your garage?
54:07
Oh man I'm pathetic. I sold everything I'm I'm down
54:10
to my E30, my K24 swap D30I don't know if that was already
54:14
built. Last time we spoke was that.
54:16
Working on it. Oh, maybe, yeah.
54:18
So that car was in the making for a couple of years.
54:21
So this is a 1987 BMW 325IS. So it's AUS spec car that I got
54:27
completely stocked when I when I got it, it was completely
54:30
original and I basically completely converted it to a
54:36
Euro specification car. So if you're familiar with E 30s
54:40
in the 80s, we got something called the diving board bumpers,
54:44
which were these gigantic bumpers that were mandated
54:48
because, you know, it was this five mile per hour law and the
54:50
insurance and blah, blah. And so there were these huge
54:53
bumpers that had shocks integrated them and they
54:55
completely changed a lot of cars, right, Not just E 30s This
54:58
this was a lot of European specification cars that
55:01
basically had to be built to the spec.
55:02
And so I converted it to European spec, which means, you
55:06
know, tighter, smaller, like, you know, Chrome bumpers and
55:09
different air dam and a bunch of stuff.
55:12
But, and I then went and basically completely restored
55:17
the car mechanically. So I like to say that if you
55:21
were to put it on a rotisserie and flip the car upside down,
55:23
there isn't a single component that's original or hasn't been
55:26
touched. It's because I everything has
55:29
been done to it. Like it has a different drive
55:31
shaft, different subframe, different diff, different engine
55:35
and it has a Honda K24 in it. So it is.
55:39
It is a high revving, little dual overhead Cam naturally
55:42
aspirated motor. For those who don't know, the
55:44
car originally came with a 2.5 liter inline 6 that made about
55:48
170 horsepower. Now it has. 72 I think to be
55:51
exact. 172 There you go. Oh, wait, is that, is that net
55:55
or what? Is that her daughter?
55:57
What? You know, that's gross.
55:59
Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
56:01
That's right. That's all the SAE, right?
56:03
There's all the. Different ones.
56:04
That's right. Yeah, probably.
56:05
Yeah. We'll round down because it
56:06
probably wasn't really making 172, but.
56:08
Well, definitely not when I, yeah, pulled it out, I'm sure.
56:12
But call it 172 and now it has a 2.4 liter dual overhead Cam
56:18
foursome cylinder that in its current guys.
56:21
So this is what I call like a full bolt on, you know, like
56:24
it's not like, you know, not a ton of work is about 100 more
56:28
horsepower. So it's about 275 horsepower the
56:31
crank at 7800 RPM. So it it red lines at 8300 the
56:37
way that it's currently set up, you know, it's got big cams in
56:40
it and all this other stuff, but kind of fun, different gearing,
56:44
you know, all that. But the the idea here is I will,
56:48
you know, I'm super into, as I mentioned earlier, agile,
56:51
nimble, like analog cars, right? And I like Canyon carvers.
56:56
You know, I started in auto crossing and I grew up when I
56:59
was even before that, you know, driving up in the Santa Cruz
57:02
mountains where I grew up, you know, so that's, that's the
57:04
style of driving that I was around.
57:05
And your product or your environment, right?
57:07
I, I was into big high power drag racing stuff.
57:10
I wanted tight, twisty mountain roads.
57:12
And that's what I love to do still.
57:14
And I wanted to basically build myself kind of like an E30M3
57:21
Sport Evolution and out of the car that I had.
57:24
And so, you know, it's a white Alpine white, really nice clean
57:27
example, black interior. And I have owned E30 M threes as
57:32
well. And so those are pretty anemic
57:34
as they came from the factory in the way that we got them in the
57:36
US. So I've driven, I've had the
57:39
privilege of driving Sport Evo in anger, as they say, you know,
57:43
in the right environment. And I'm like, OK, like I
57:45
remember thinking this is what the E30M3 should have always
57:48
been, right? But like, it took evolutions,
57:50
right? So that's why it's the EBO.
57:53
And so, and the EBO is like 255 horsepower, you know, and it's
57:57
got a ton of different work, right?
57:58
Like steering rack and crack is different and all this other
58:02
stuff breaks, blah, blah. So, so I built basically like a
58:05
better version of that out of my E30 and it's, you know, because
58:11
the the the K24 motor is all aluminum.
58:13
It's more modern. You know, this would have been
58:15
found. The closest thing we got in the
58:17
US was super random, but it was in the Acura TSX type S that
58:22
that was so that that that motor came in the in that car as a
58:26
very detuned very under stress. It was so 2.4 liter 200
58:31
horsepower and about the same amount of torque at 7000 RPMI
58:34
think it was, but with just a tune and some breathing mods.
58:38
You know they they make a ton of power and the people not and
58:40
people, you know go forced induction on these all the time
58:44
because they respond really well to that.
58:46
And I mean you can look this up. People like have you know, 800
58:50
horsepower, 2.4 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder motors.
58:54
You know that that out of these things which are insane yeah and
58:57
quote UN quote reliably right yeah yeah, but but yeah.
59:01
So I just kind of built this thing for for canning, carving,
59:03
you know, we go on these Rd. rallies that we put on on the
59:05
driving wall, awesome side of things.
59:06
And and I wanted agile, lightweight, and I've had a lot
59:11
of E 30s in all different configurations.
59:14
And I wanted to kind of build the ultimate example for this
59:17
purpose. And so this car, I weighted wet
59:21
full interior, not a single thing stripped out.
59:24
I have cocoa mats on this and I have a yeah, custom Mtech.
59:29
You know, it's a sport evolution tribute.
59:31
So it's a leather with fabric insert, Mtech fabric insert
59:35
interiors, a full interior, stereo speakers, 25125 lbs.
59:41
Wow. And 275 horsepower, so it's
59:43
pretty fun. That's a fantastic boat where
59:45
you feel, yeah, that's and it's such a great size, the E30, it's
59:49
just. It's a good size.
59:51
Yeah, you. Know I'm not small and I love
59:52
that size car. It's just with all that
59:54
visibility, it's just so good. Yeah, yeah, going back to that
59:57
greenhouse, right, and those thin pillars, pillars and a lot
59:59
of glass and that it's, yeah, it's, it's great.
1:00:02
And you know, you sit kind of upright kind of on top of the
1:00:04
car versus like, you know, a 944, you kind of sit on the
1:00:07
ground, right, or it's really low.
1:00:10
But yeah, it's, it's a ton of fun.
1:00:12
It's unfortunately, I'll, I'll, I'll give you the very abridged
1:00:16
version. It was hit during car week and
1:00:20
it was, it was a hit and run situation.
1:00:24
So it is currently being repaired.
1:00:25
It's at the shop. And it was a gigantic ordeal
1:00:29
that I will not get into because as I mentioned, it's all
1:00:32
European components. And guess what?
1:00:34
Most of them are obsolete and you have and the ones that exist
1:00:39
or have been reproduced all exist in Europe.
1:00:41
And guess what happens when you import stuff from Europe?
1:00:45
You have all sorts of fun tariffs.
1:00:47
So yeah, so, so it it's a $12,000 repair for what could
1:00:53
have been, you know, 5 grand, you know, like use it was they,
1:00:57
there was someone leaving a park the parking spot next to me in a
1:01:01
Sprinter van. So basically the front corner
1:01:04
out on the on the car was backed in and so bumper air dam, you
1:01:10
know, Valance underneath that that just, you know, this is the
1:01:14
type of stuff we were dealing with, right?
1:01:15
The the fog lights on these car on the on the M tech air dam M
1:01:19
tech one air dam is unique. It's not the standard fog lamp
1:01:23
that came in the E 30s. So, and this is Euro spec,
1:01:26
right? So I'm going to do a little
1:01:28
trivia for you here. SO2 fog lights.
1:01:30
You can't buy them individually. They don't exist.
1:01:32
They're obsolete. You you can buy them as a pair
1:01:35
from BMW Europe right now being really classic I think.
1:01:38
How much do 2 fog lights cost for an M tech air dam in Europe?
1:01:42
Are we talking with tariffs or without?
1:01:44
This is just the without tariffs, just in Europe.
1:01:47
What do you when you pull up the website what what is the list as
1:01:49
the price? Back in the day, they were
1:01:51
probably $1.50, right? And this is pre tax by the way.
1:01:55
OK, you're going to say like 3 grand or something, aren't you?
1:01:58
I. Don't know.
1:02:01
What do you think would say like €499?
1:02:05
All right, and, and Ryan's still thinking.
1:02:08
I would say $3000. All right, that's not a bad
1:02:12
guess because it's close with tariffs and import and shipping.
1:02:15
It's 1900 dollars, 1900, I'm sorry, €1900 before tax and.
1:02:22
Two lights. Yeah, and and our and our
1:02:24
homeboy over here took out the front lower air dam and cracked
1:02:27
the one of the fog lights. So so it's so I can't replace
1:02:31
one because they don't exist, right.
1:02:33
So I had to order two or the shop did, but yeah, so yeah.
1:02:38
And yeah, the, the bumper too, it's if for folks who, you know,
1:02:41
if you want to look this up, the European specification metal
1:02:44
bumper, which is the earlier ones that we didn't get here
1:02:46
from 1987 and earlier. Those are also a couple grand
1:02:50
when when you can find them, right?
1:02:51
So and then like everything is euro though I have Euro
1:02:55
headlights, euro grills. And I started going down that
1:02:57
rabbit hole when I'm like, dude, look, and now that I'm
1:02:59
experiencing this, I went and looked this, you know, I built
1:03:02
this car from 20 like over the course of years, right, For
1:03:05
starting in 2020, little by little.
1:03:07
And I imported all these parts, not all at once, right as I
1:03:10
found them, as I wanted to spend the money.
1:03:13
And I went and looked, I'm like, you know what, how much are euro
1:03:16
girls now? And this is just a little
1:03:18
plastic insert that you screw in.
1:03:20
It's like it's just held the screws and I used to go to the
1:03:23
junkyard, you know, pick-n-pull and get these for 15 bucks, you
1:03:25
know, like on my E 30s back in the day.
1:03:27
Put them on the wall right? Like the full grill.
1:03:29
Exactly. Yeah, totally.
1:03:30
Or that I have. Yeah, so so the euro spec grills
1:03:34
and these are the ones for the sides that have a different.
1:03:36
So this is super nerdy. I'm wasting your time.
1:03:38
I'm sorry, but it's. Like 30 fans are just.
1:03:41
It's a different design, you know, like it's the US spec
1:03:44
ones, you know, the US spec cars had sealed beam headlights,
1:03:47
which are curved and they they bulge out.
1:03:49
So the European specification headline grills are flat on top.
1:03:53
So the US spec ones are cut out for the lenses.
1:03:57
And so the Euro spec ones are all nice and enclosed and look
1:04:00
way nicer. And so just the grills are
1:04:03
$400.00 now, you know, like, so I started looking, I'm like,
1:04:06
man, I got to really bump my insurance on all this stuff, you
1:04:09
know, like it's, it's just, yeah.
1:04:12
He's got you covered, right? Yeah, well, I.
1:04:14
Mean humbly 30s now are now. You know, it's funny because
1:04:17
they're you know, a nice clean car is 1520 grand.
1:04:20
But if you were to build 1 from crash in parts, it's gonna be 50
1:04:24
grand, right? Because everything is so
1:04:25
expensive now. Jeez, you.
1:04:26
Know what sucks about that? It's car week, so presumably the
1:04:29
person that hit you is a car person.
1:04:32
Isn't it unbelievable? Yeah, yeah, that's I, I, you
1:04:36
know, and that's what bought me out the most.
1:04:38
I'll be, you know, and you can ask anyone, you know, we have
1:04:41
some friends in common, you know, it's like, I was so pissed
1:04:44
about that. I, I was like the car thing,
1:04:45
whatever, you know, like I can get, you know, we'll get the car
1:04:48
fixed. I have insurance, whatever.
1:04:49
It's just like the fact that we all have to have insurance and,
1:04:52
and as an adult, like you just have to own this kind of thing,
1:04:55
you know, and, and at car week as we're talking about, right?
1:04:57
Like you'd think that the person who was there would understand
1:05:00
and like, and that was such a bummer to me.
1:05:02
Like just from a, like, just from a, you know, humanity kind
1:05:05
of element, right? Like it's just come on.
1:05:07
And all the layers of it. Yeah, all the layers of it,
1:05:10
yeah. And then, you know, at the end
1:05:13
of the day, I'm like maybe just maybe because it was a sprinter
1:05:17
van and it was they left early in the morning.
1:05:18
They were groggy. They didn't even notice.
1:05:20
But like, I doubt it. I doubt it.
1:05:23
I mean, like to take off the, I mean, they took it was the
1:05:25
Fender, the air dam, the bumper that, you know, the whole corner
1:05:28
was crunched in, you know, and it was, it was, yeah, I'm
1:05:31
certain that it was a situation where they just didn't, you
1:05:34
know, it was a radius thing, you know, like they were
1:05:36
inexperienced and they just kind of took off.
1:05:38
We know how tight some of those spaces can be, but at the same
1:05:41
time you're like, it's just, yeah, that's not a especially
1:05:44
'cause that's, that's so counter to what we all feel is like the
1:05:48
feeling of car week and sort of the, you know, camaraderie of
1:05:51
it. That's you're like, oh, this
1:05:53
doesn't, this doesn't jive. This is bad data.
1:05:56
Yeah, 100% and like, you know, it's you have a six figure
1:05:59
sprinter van. I'm sure you have plenty of
1:06:01
insurance to sort out my car. You know, it's like, yeah, like
1:06:05
it's not a, you know, ADV 4 Zagato or something that you
1:06:08
hate, you know, like, or whatever.
1:06:10
Like I mean, right. So yeah, it was, it was pretty,
1:06:12
it was pretty crappy. And you know, of course, like
1:06:15
naturally, you know, then I have to go to work because I'm there
1:06:18
for work. And like, I'm just trying to
1:06:19
like focus on that. And, and you just have that hit
1:06:22
in your stomach, you know, just like having, you know, what's
1:06:24
gonna be an ordeal. And we are two months later in
1:06:27
the car. We're still waiting for parts
1:06:29
and all this stuff, but. Oh, man, anyways, like you said,
1:06:32
up with the with the Radwood build cars, you know, and them
1:06:35
trying to button it all up at the end.
1:06:37
I mean, there's always something with these cars.
1:06:39
Oh yeah. Like.
1:06:40
Yeah, absolutely. Intentionally or
1:06:41
unintentionally, there's always something going on.
1:06:44
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I think it, we can
1:06:46
say this, you know, as, as as friends here.
1:06:48
And I think the, you know, your audience will appreciate this.
1:06:52
Larry, you know, Larry Chen is a friend.
1:06:53
You know, he he calls me and he's like, dude, can I run the
1:06:56
car in the fly by? So like, dude, you don't want to
1:06:58
you don't want to come into that.
1:06:59
Like, yeah, you do. You don't.
1:07:01
You don't because of what? You just.
1:07:04
Said them right, but like, yeah. But like, you know, I don't want
1:07:08
to go out there and promote that.
1:07:10
And then, you know, some weird thing like, you know, cuz, I
1:07:12
mean, yeah, he's, I mean, if you go, you got to go see this show.
1:07:15
Like, yeah, yeah, it's crazy. Like that basically stripped
1:07:19
down the car to a bare shell and started from scratch.
1:07:21
So like anything could happen, right?
1:07:24
So I just said, hey, you know, why don't we maybe let's see,
1:07:27
we'll look into it. Maybe we'll we'll we'll do a
1:07:29
little Rev off or something, you know, we'll fire them up and
1:07:31
they're going to be static. But like, let's not commit to
1:07:35
doing anything crazy right now because yeah, like anything can
1:07:38
happen. And then in that situation,
1:07:40
we're full on. This is the classic, you know,
1:07:43
rush to build cars, show situation, right Where?
1:07:46
And this is real. This isn't like I know that some
1:07:49
of those other shows that will remain unnamed were staged, and
1:07:52
they were. They were.
1:07:54
They needed to do an engine swap in two days when they had a
1:07:57
month. But yeah.
1:07:59
Right. Yeah.
1:07:59
No, that's absolutely all accurate.
1:08:02
Yeah, this is real. Yeah, I know for a fact that it
1:08:05
was. They had six weeks and that's
1:08:06
when they started. Which is pretty well that.
1:08:08
Is why not one aquarium or microwave or?
1:08:11
Whatever. It's not gonna.
1:08:12
Shit in the ordeal. Yeah, yeah, no, no screens in
1:08:14
their headrests. That's around like what it yeah,
1:08:16
yeah, drivers. Cars.
1:08:18
Yeah, there was one dude. There was, what was it?
1:08:21
I can't remember What Car it was, but it was, it was a nurse.
1:08:24
And they put, Oh no, she wasn't a nurse, She was a radiation
1:08:30
tech and you know, like a X-ray tech.
1:08:33
And so they put like a like a CAT scan tube in the back of her
1:08:37
van or something. It's like, like people like
1:08:40
she's. Like a far society.
1:08:44
Like a mobile CAT scan business, but here we are.
1:08:48
Yeah, waterfalls, right? There were some waterfalls.
1:08:50
Yes, yes, and the whole time I'm looking at these poor people,
1:08:53
it's like they just want a car that works.
1:08:56
You know, some nice rims on there for you to for good
1:08:59
measure in a stereo book. Oh my God, it was just you could
1:09:02
just see the the faces of disappointment, the the cringe
1:09:05
worthy, you know? Oh boy.
1:09:07
No, I would love to, yeah, I know they do pop up like, or
1:09:09
not, not recently, but I, I remember over the years they
1:09:11
would pop up on like Facebook marketplace or something, you
1:09:14
know, like, and it's just, yeah, like I wonder where all those
1:09:17
cars are now, because there were some really bizarre things that
1:09:20
they did with these things. Yeah, one of the minivans blue.
1:09:23
Was that Peterson for some of the cars and coffees?
1:09:25
One of the minivans that had the like?
1:09:27
Wild. The big one, yes, Yeah, I
1:09:30
remember that one. We actually had it at Believe it
1:09:33
or not, we had it at Radwood Socal last.
1:09:35
Year, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, it was there.
1:09:37
I totally forgot about that. And the interior was super wild,
1:09:40
right? Didn't have a chandelier in it
1:09:41
or something. Yes, I'm sure it did.
1:09:44
That sounds exactly right. That's awesome.
1:09:47
That's awesome. Yeah, it was a Dodge Caravan.
1:09:49
It was like, yeah, it was pink with some crazy wheels.
1:09:52
It might have been spinners because of.
1:09:55
Course, probably, yeah. I mean, what else would you put
1:09:57
on it, right? For sure, yeah, but yeah, so I'm
1:10:01
sorry on the on the on the car front, I sold I had a the most
1:10:04
recent car that I sold was my Z3.
1:10:06
I had AZ 3 coupe and I had AZ 3 in before that, but this one was
1:10:11
a three liter coupe, which is a pretty cool car.
1:10:14
They're, you know they're famously the rarest ones, right?
1:10:16
Because the three liter coupes are pretty rare.
1:10:19
Better wheels. Too.
1:10:20
Better wheels. And then I sold my, my R33 GTR,
1:10:23
I think right around the time that I was on here last time,
1:10:26
probably right around then. But but yeah, I'm going through
1:10:29
a reset. I have, you know, Speaking of
1:10:31
the values of these cars is, you know, I, I literally am holding
1:10:35
out for like a few cars that I have unchecked for my list
1:10:38
because I've had 86 cars. I just counted again yesterday.
1:10:41
Yeah. And so I've had a lot of stuff
1:10:44
and I've, and a lot of it is going through that, that bucket
1:10:47
list checklist, right? It's a right.
1:10:48
I need it. I want the NSX, the 993, the
1:10:50
E30M3, the all of this stuff. And and so now I'm down to
1:10:55
Renault Cleo V6, which I was super annoyed point that cars
1:10:58
and bids was advertising the heck out of that one cuz I'm
1:11:00
like, shut up. Yeah.
1:11:03
And now they're now they're 90 grand.
1:11:05
Yeah. And so F355 is still on my list.
1:11:10
My my famously the biggest regret in my life is not buying
1:11:14
one of those. As I mentioned on my podcast,
1:11:16
yeah, or our podcast, you know, it's I wanted I, I came
1:11:19
extremely close to buying an F355 GTB manual and the color
1:11:26
that I wanted and I was 5 grand off and I did not do it and I'm
1:11:29
so dumb. And now it's twice as much, no?
1:11:33
More than five grand apart now, yeah.
1:11:35
Yeah, yeah, that is, I mean, I think I could say with
1:11:38
confidence that it's the biggest regret of my life.
1:11:39
Like, I mean, I, I think I'm, you know, I, I have a phenomenal
1:11:42
family and wife and I've made good, you know, you know,
1:11:45
choices in academics and all that jazz, you know, but like
1:11:49
that one, I really. Screwed up, but the F355 the.
1:11:52
F355I really screwed up on that one.
1:11:54
Would be a Go 348, yeah. Would you do a 340?
1:11:58
Eight, I would go 348, but it has to be a 94 because that one
1:12:03
has the right suspension on it. And that's like, The thing is,
1:12:05
like the earlier cars are, you know, notorious for being super
1:12:08
twitchy and like, and I'm all about driving my cars, you know,
1:12:11
so I would want a 94. I would probably like, ideally I
1:12:16
would want like a challenge car, which would be awesome, you
1:12:18
know, so like that, that would be great.
1:12:20
I do like them, but that would be the move there.
1:12:23
I want to have 355 because, you know, it was my high school like
1:12:26
dream car in the and I think it's also one of the best
1:12:30
sounding cars in history also. And, and they're just so sexy.
1:12:34
I mean, they're just so pretty. And, and I've had the privilege
1:12:36
of driving them in all environments, and they're just,
1:12:39
they're so cool. Yeah, they might not be
1:12:41
objectively the, the most performant thing in the world,
1:12:44
but I don't care. You know, it's like, it's all
1:12:46
about that sense of occasion and like walking up to it and
1:12:49
hearing it and how it makes you feel.
1:12:52
And yeah, they're, they're, they're so cool.
1:12:54
I know. And, and The thing is, the irony
1:12:55
is that for a long time they were just not worth enough to
1:13:00
like maintain. So they were because they were
1:13:02
only 70 grand forever, but the, but they required that big, you
1:13:05
know, the service engine out service.
1:13:07
And so, and now it's like, it doesn't matter anymore, right?
1:13:10
That that, that, so that $25,000 service every few years is
1:13:14
irrelevant because they're 200 grand.
1:13:15
So like, and even then that's an exaggeration.
1:13:18
Like I've studied these cars like intimately at great deep,
1:13:23
like in great length and detail and like, and they have, I got
1:13:26
into it with Demiro because he's like, oh, they're unreliable.
1:13:29
And I'm like, dude, why are they unreliable?
1:13:31
And he's like, oh, well, this and that.
1:13:33
And I'm like, yeah, so you put fast speed headers on them.
1:13:35
Yeah, which eliminates the crack that they don't melt.
1:13:39
Brass valve guides get replaced with steel ones.
1:13:41
And that's already probably been done because all of them melted,
1:13:43
as you said. And you also have the belt
1:13:46
service, which is also way overblown.
1:13:49
But nobody knew this. And I didn't care to really say
1:13:51
it. But the reason that after 355
1:13:54
timing belt services are super crucial is because people didn't
1:13:57
drive their cars. And when they would sit there
1:13:59
and with a very high tension, like, you know, bearing, you
1:14:02
know, tensioner, you not only deform the belt, but also you
1:14:06
the bearings like they they overtime they fail, right?
1:14:08
So like you, the more you drive your car, the, the, the actually
1:14:13
the, the longer the service life on the timing belt.
1:14:16
And Ferrari changed it. It used to be 3 years.
1:14:18
They changed it to five years because initially they kept it
1:14:20
at 3:00 because they knew people don't drive their cars.
1:14:22
Yeah. And so, and even then it's
1:14:24
preventative, right. Like, of course, because it is a
1:14:26
very high strung motor. But like, you can talk to any
1:14:29
Ferrari tech, like they'll say, like if you drive your car at
1:14:32
five years, your timing belt's probably in good shape.
1:14:34
It's usually the tensioner that fails.
1:14:37
And even then like it's a, it's a preventative thing.
1:14:39
So, but there is the while you're in there's right.
1:14:42
And of course you're dealing with Ferrari pricing on the
1:14:44
service. And so, I mean, the more you
1:14:46
look into it, like even now, like it's a 10 to $15,000
1:14:49
service and it's like call that every five years.
1:14:51
For Carlin, it's 2000, that's 200 grand.
1:14:53
I mean I have friends with E46 M threes that pay more than that a
1:14:57
year. On the road.
1:14:59
Absolutely so. It's all.
1:15:00
Relative, totally. But yeah, it's, it's one of
1:15:03
those things, yeah, sure. The sticky buttons and then
1:15:05
there's like the weird leather stuff that lives on the dash and
1:15:08
I don't care, man. That's totally worth it to me.
1:15:11
And they're the antidote to the overwrought Ferraris.
1:15:14
Like modern Ferraris, they're just right.
1:15:16
I went out for coffee with a friend recently, shot at Ryan
1:15:18
Sapka. And we pulled up to a coffee
1:15:20
shop and there are two guys there and.
1:15:22
And I love these cars, but AM GGT right?
1:15:25
Oh. OK, Yeah.
1:15:26
Overwrought, you know, again. And these two guys were sitting
1:15:30
out there with their espressos and they thought they were just
1:15:32
such hot shit. We rolled up in this 355 and all
1:15:36
eyes went to the 355. And the looks on the face or,
1:15:39
you know, it's just they're like, you know, just.
1:15:42
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was, yeah. They're.
1:15:44
They're beautiful. That's what I'm getting at.
1:15:46
And they're pure and they are an occasion and they sound like
1:15:49
nothing else. They're like little Italian
1:15:51
sewing machines. And they're wonderful.
1:15:52
I just wish I liked it better but.
1:15:54
Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I'll admit to this publicly.
1:15:58
I've never said this to anyone, but the first time I drove one,
1:16:02
I got to drive it. I, I had it for a week.
1:16:04
A friend of mine bought it and he used to give me his cars when
1:16:07
I live in San Francisco, kind of a, you know, one of these great
1:16:10
privileges that he just had me shake his cars down, right?
1:16:14
He's like, hey, like, you know, any mechanic, anyone, they're
1:16:17
going to try to sell me on stuff.
1:16:18
So here I trust you. Go drive this car.
1:16:20
Tell me what it needs. So, so I got to drive it.
1:16:23
I got a lot for that one week and I drove it through the
1:16:28
Broadway tunnel in San Francisco, allegedly, you know,
1:16:33
redlining 3 gears. And this is, I don't know how
1:16:37
long this tunnel is in San Francisco.
1:16:39
You can look it up, but it is a, it is a, you know, one of these
1:16:42
old tunnels. I think it was built in the 20s
1:16:44
and it's all mosaic like ceramic tile on the inside and it has a
1:16:47
pretty low ceiling. And I, I got teary eyed like
1:16:51
just because I, I just that sound, I mean, it is so good.
1:16:55
And The thing is, you can never capture it like in, in, in
1:16:59
video. Like I, I have the video still
1:17:00
on my phone and I'll send it to you guys after this call, after
1:17:03
we, after, not this call, sorry, after the show.
1:17:04
But like I, I, I'll send you the video.
1:17:08
It sounds incredible. It sounds amazing, but it's not
1:17:10
the same. Because when you're sitting
1:17:11
inside the car, there's these tones, it, it actually changes
1:17:15
and it evolves and it, and it's, it's this really, really kind of
1:17:18
trippy experience. And then on top of that, you
1:17:20
have the induction going as well, which is right behind your
1:17:23
head. So you have this like, it's like
1:17:25
this Symphony, you know, of like a beautiful sound and like, it
1:17:29
was like the most amazing thing and like, you know, obviously at
1:17:32
being one of my dream cars and the whole thing.
1:17:33
And it just kind of came together.
1:17:35
And then I got to drive it in, in my, on my favorite roads in
1:17:38
the Bay Area. I got to drive it at Sonoma
1:17:39
Raceway. Like, you know, I, I got to
1:17:40
drive the car more over time and at Sonoma Raceway was funny
1:17:43
because we got to do some like laps during Velocity
1:17:47
Invitational, the first event and, and we had a Radwood
1:17:51
display there. And so my friend again brought
1:17:53
this car for our display for the Radwood air display.
1:17:55
And he's like, Oh, can you please drive my car?
1:17:58
I've never heard it like at full chat from outside.
1:18:01
So, and he and he had fab speed headers with a Capristo exhaust.
1:18:05
And so I'll say this, I don't care.
1:18:08
You know, I know Ryan, they're good friends of mine at
1:18:10
velocity. But like, you know, it's it's
1:18:12
this is like a you know, it's a lead follow, like at a quick
1:18:15
pace, you know, like a 7/10 lead follow.
1:18:17
Like they're like, OK, everybody take it easy, you know, like, or
1:18:20
whatever. So I had a couple people behind
1:18:22
me and I'm like go around and and so.
1:18:27
No reason. Like, yeah, so I let people pass
1:18:29
me after the carousel. And then so I kind of like
1:18:31
picked it up through the S as I had a friend of mine as a
1:18:33
passenger, you know, at the time he was like on media.
1:18:36
And so we're kind of like messing around a little bit.
1:18:38
And then after the hairpin, which I think is Turn 11, I'm
1:18:41
like, all right, this is it, dude.
1:18:42
Full tilt. So like I went full tilt.
1:18:45
I'm down the front straight, like redline, all the gears.
1:18:48
I don't remember what it was into Turn 1.
1:18:50
And like, unfortunately, no one recorded it.
1:18:52
And like, you know, again, was standing right there and he said
1:18:55
it was incredible. But like, he didn't, I thought
1:18:57
he was going to take a video, right.
1:18:59
We have to take him by the moment, right?
1:19:01
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah.
1:19:02
He was just like, yeah, he was, he was so stoked.
1:19:04
But it was awesome because it's such a rare situation where it's
1:19:07
like someones like here please go beat the crap out of my car,
1:19:10
right? And show me what it could do
1:19:13
because I wanna hear it at full tilt.
1:19:15
And so, and especially a car like that, right?
1:19:18
But he's that type of guy. He's like one of the most
1:19:20
hardcore like car enthusiasts I know.
1:19:21
And he drives the heck out of all of his cars and through him,
1:19:26
like, you know, us on the DW8 podcast, like we, we, we still
1:19:30
like, you know, kind of get the cars to shake them down for him.
1:19:32
And then also, like, you know, it was kind of content for us,
1:19:34
right? We would talk about him.
1:19:35
But yeah, he had all sorts of crazy stuff. 73 Rs I got to RIP
1:19:39
around in you know yeah, You know 5 not 512 BBI.
1:19:43
He had a 365 GTB 4, which is the one that came before the 512
1:19:48
BBI, so it's actually more powerful.
1:19:50
It was the carbureted car, high compression car that we didn't
1:19:53
get here but looks the same yeah.
1:19:56
This is just all sorts of wild stuff, all the 96 sport turbos
1:19:59
and all the stuff you know, but but yeah, good.
1:20:01
Tax fantastic. It's, you know, I was, I like
1:20:04
joke, not joke, but like we're so lucky with friends that are
1:20:07
generous with their keys because the experience that you get to
1:20:09
have. It's, you know, absolutely.
1:20:12
Yeah. And I'm the same way, you know,
1:20:13
like I, I want to stoke people out.
1:20:14
Like, I mean, you know, 111 of my favorite things ever was when
1:20:18
I had my R34. So this is a couple of years ago
1:20:22
at Radwood Socal. I had my R34 skyline, I'm sorry,
1:20:25
R34 skyline, my R33 skyline. I had a GTRR33 GTR and I had it
1:20:31
displayed in the warehouse there and, and kind of for the show.
1:20:34
And there was this kid, he must have been 14, just like kept
1:20:38
like staring at it and walking around it and all this other
1:20:40
stuff. And I walk over and I'm talking
1:20:42
to him and he's like, oh, this is my favorite car.
1:20:44
You know, it's my dream car. And I'm like, oh, awesome,
1:20:47
where's your dad? And he's like, he's right there.
1:20:49
I'm like, okay, I'm gonna give my keys to your dad.
1:20:51
I'm gonna let him open the car, do whatever you want, like go
1:20:54
inside, shift in it, take pictures, whatever you want.
1:20:58
Just don't start it because we're inside this warehouse,
1:21:01
right? And so he was like so amped.
1:21:04
He did the whole thing. He was with my car for like 30
1:21:06
minutes. I saw from afar and he was
1:21:07
doing, and his dad took pictures of it and everything.
1:21:09
And last year at Radwood Socal, he came in his own car.
1:21:14
He drove out there and, and he like, and he was driving now and
1:21:18
he was telling me how he was inspired by the whole thing.
1:21:20
And like he's still, he wants an R33 GTR now, you know, and he's
1:21:23
like working his way towards it and he has like a little side
1:21:25
gig and he wants to volunteer. And I can't remember if he, I
1:21:29
think he picked up a 240SX or something, you know, but like,
1:21:31
sure, this is like, you know, but like, that's what it's all
1:21:34
about, you know, like that's all, all I care about.
1:21:36
So Yep, yeah, I mean, it's, and of course, like when we have the
1:21:40
opportunity, it's not quite throwing keys, but like, I'll do
1:21:42
that too, right, Of course. And my E30, unfortunately, very
1:21:45
few people have driven it. But like I, I had told Jason
1:21:49
Camisa that he had first, first, right, a refusal to drive it and
1:21:52
do a piece on it. And we just haven't gotten
1:21:54
around to it 'cause we're, we're buttoning up a couple of things.
1:21:56
But at this point, yeah, I think I have AI have a wait list of,
1:22:00
you know, Zach Clapman at the Smoking Tire wants to drive it.
1:22:03
And what's his name from? He's at the drive.
1:22:07
He he hit me up by another friend.
1:22:09
So not Joel. Oh my gosh.
1:22:14
We can start lifting all the guys at the drive.
1:22:16
Joel, I think he just left. I think he's, he just went to
1:22:19
Motor One. Oh, he's always at Buttonwillow.
1:22:26
That's a good Angela. I probably I know him, but.
1:22:28
Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm like, yeah, I'm spacing
1:22:30
right now. But anyways, like I he he heard
1:22:32
about the car and then reached out to me by another friend of a
1:22:36
mutual friend of ours and I've interacted with him before
1:22:38
because they had a back when not the drive, but there was that
1:22:45
one thing auto I think it was. Was it like auto bibles or
1:22:48
remember they were trying to? Do that spin off.
1:22:50
No, no. There was a spin off from the
1:22:52
drive that they were trying to do like this, basically like
1:22:54
this, this one like repository of like all of the of the
1:23:00
manuals and stuff like that. And sure.
1:23:03
So he came out and and and had an activation at Rywood Norcal.
1:23:07
So I'm like, you know, But anyways, I apologize, I'm
1:23:10
spacing. No, no, There's just too much.
1:23:11
There's just, yeah, too many of us these.
1:23:14
Yeah, but, but I mean, there's, yeah, there's there's those
1:23:16
folks, but then there's also the kids, right.
1:23:18
That I at some point I'll let I'll have to throw keys there.
1:23:21
Yeah, so cool because it makes. Such an impression.
1:23:24
Yeah. Who's enthusiastic?
1:23:26
Yeah, it's funny because we still have people like way above
1:23:29
us who do that for us, like a Bruce Myer or Tom Horan or you
1:23:33
know who just. It's like, you know, these
1:23:35
experiences wouldn't have. And that generosity is
1:23:37
everything. Yeah.
1:23:38
A. 100% I'm very, very jealous of Matt Farah because he got to
1:23:42
drive Bruce Myers Ctr. Yellow Bird and like and that's
1:23:47
like that. That is one of my favourite cars
1:23:48
ever, right. So like, and he got to RIP
1:23:51
around in that thing. So I mean, Bruce is cool.
1:23:54
You know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna continue to plant seeds and, and
1:23:57
suggest I'm never gonna be direct about it, but.
1:24:01
Just a little whisper as to where he thinks of his idea
1:24:04
that. Yeah, but yeah, let him know
1:24:05
that I'm super interested. Maybe I won't ask, but yeah,
1:24:09
he's got some great cars. He he's brought out two Car Star
1:24:11
shows and one of my favorites is he's got that California Highway
1:24:14
Patrol notched back Fox body. Yeah, that is, that is super
1:24:18
nice. But yeah, yeah, awesome.
1:24:21
Yeah, now we'll keep, you're doing the Lords work, keep it up
1:24:24
and we're all I know. You've got a hard stop here so
1:24:28
you know we're all excited. I wish I was closer to the baby
1:24:31
area cuz I would love to go this weekend but it's gonna be
1:24:34
incredible. Well.
1:24:36
Yeah, thank you. Well, hopefully we can do more
1:24:38
of these things, right. That's the goal is we're sort of
1:24:40
experimenting with this concept, you know, and we're seeing how
1:24:42
it all pans out and then we'll determine how many more we can
1:24:44
do. But the plan is obviously to not
1:24:47
just have this big flagship California event, you know, to,
1:24:49
to do more of this kind of thing.
1:24:50
And you know, it's, it's all in, in, you know, in the works right
1:24:55
now. We're actually talking through
1:24:56
that right now and budgets and blah, blah, blah.
1:24:58
But but I mean, we definitely want to be, you know, out there
1:25:01
and have more of these more of these fun experiences for folks
1:25:04
to participate in and, and quite frankly, you know, you're saying
1:25:07
I'm doing Lord's work. I mean, it's everybody else
1:25:09
contributing, you know, like everybody else wanting to be
1:25:11
there and like to bring their cars and like the fact that
1:25:14
people are stoked about what we're doing is, is such a huge
1:25:16
element, right. So please continue to do that
1:25:18
keep supporting us and and we'll keep and we'll we'll hopefully
1:25:21
come to AI was gonna say a theater near you, but you.
1:25:24
Know it's enough. Yeah.
1:25:27
It's a team effort, right? Yeah, it's a group.
1:25:30
Yeah, right. Now, so remind people where they
1:25:32
can find the information if they wanna attend, how do they get
1:25:37
tickets and all of that. Yeah, just go to radwood.com.
1:25:41
It's all there. We are officially completely
1:25:43
sold out of car spots, so you'll see that on there.
1:25:47
When does this go live? Going live before the show.
1:25:50
Tomorrow, yeah, yeah, we want to get this, get this out and
1:25:52
promoted, yeah. Awesome.
1:25:53
Thank you. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.
1:25:54
OK, awesome. Yeah.
1:25:55
So technically, you know, if if you have Gizetta Moroder,
1:26:01
there's. There might be 1, you never
1:26:03
know. Yeah.
1:26:04
I'll take it, right? Yeah, we're, we're sold out.
1:26:07
But you know, I'll take an EB110, I'll take an F50, you
1:26:10
know, I'll take, I'll take stuff like that or, or or something
1:26:13
really wild and obscure if you got it.
1:26:15
But, but as of right now, we're sold out.
1:26:17
But yeah, radwood.com, you can RSVP for your ticket.
1:26:20
I highly recommend you do that because it is free.
1:26:23
But if you show up, you know, if we have 2000 people, you know,
1:26:26
data connectivity, all that you, you do have to scan AQR code at
1:26:29
the gate to basically get your ticket.
1:26:31
And it'll take a little bit of time.
1:26:32
So ideally the more people we can do or get to do that in
1:26:35
advance, the better. And this is going to be a big,
1:26:37
big event. So as I mentioned, this is, you
1:26:39
know, easily triple of our biggest Norcal event we ever
1:26:43
had. And for the folks who have been
1:26:44
to our Norcal events, you know how big those are.
1:26:46
So, so yeah, this is this is going to be a good one.
1:26:48
And yeah, check everything out there.
1:26:50
We have the Haggerty Marketplace cars.
1:26:53
There's going to be not only just the ones that I mentioned,
1:26:56
but also they're going to have a display there.
1:26:58
Word on the street is there's going to be a Diablo in the mix
1:27:01
and some other heavy hitters. So come and check, swing by and
1:27:05
check that out. If you're a Haggerty Drivers
1:27:06
Club member, you get early entry.
1:27:09
So you get entry at 3:00 PM versus 4:00 PM and you also get
1:27:13
a gift at the merch booth. So go check that out.
1:27:15
Nice. It is an exclusive thing for you
1:27:17
guys and gals. So thank you for supporting us
1:27:19
there. But yeah, we're excited.
1:27:22
And let's get RAD. Yeah, so radwood.com and then on
1:27:26
Instagram, the handle is Remind. US Radwood official.
1:27:30
There you go. And yeah, Radwood official.
1:27:32
And if you need to, if, if you genuinely want to, if you have a
1:27:35
car, radwood@haggerty.com, we'll get you there.
1:27:40
There you go, and then if people want to follow along with the
1:27:42
E30 and your car adventures, remind us what your Instagram
1:27:45
handle is. I am I'm boring.
1:27:47
I'm but I'm art sees ARTS EE S It's a mix of, you know, family,
1:27:53
travel and and occasional cars in there.
1:27:55
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