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186: Sister Wives Rewind - Pilgrimage Into The Past (S5 E7) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: this Sister Wives. Okay, r V caravan Tanavu Illinois.
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  Speaker 2: This shit.
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  Speaker 1: They took a trip and you know, if it's a
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  Speaker 1: brown trip, a brown.
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  Speaker 2: Road trip, a horrible mess.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a catastrophe.
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  Speaker 2: Every fucking time.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny.
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  Speaker 2: So it's Logan's birthday. They announced that they're going to
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  Speaker 2: take a trip to Navu, Illinois, which is like the
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  Speaker 2: Mormon Mecca or something. Okay, I guess that's where like
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  Speaker 2: Mormonism started.
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  Speaker 1: No, actually it was in Missouri, but they had to
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  Speaker 1: flee Missouri, and they fled from Missouri to Illinois to
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  Speaker 1: a town called Commerce, which then they renamed to now Vu.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm wondering why, I'm wondering if is that a
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  Speaker 1: Mormon word was like Joseph Smith given that name from
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  Speaker 1: a white salamander talking in an angelic language. I want
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  Speaker 1: to know more. It seems like a strange name.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of weird.
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  Speaker 1: And once they got to now Vu, then Mormonism started
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  Speaker 1: to take shape for real, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I asked my former Mormon friend Ethel about this,
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  Speaker 2: and she said Navu was like the last place where
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  Speaker 2: Mormonism was like all one church, and then that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of where it started to break off into the different
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  Speaker 2: sects like LDS and the fundamentalists and all that stuff. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so that's why it's like super important. She also said
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  Speaker 2: that apparently Mormons believe, I don't know if it's like
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  Speaker 2: fundamentalists or LDS or both, they all believe that the
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  Speaker 2: Garden of Eden was around Missouri, and.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think they also believe that Jesus visited
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  Speaker 1: the Americas and like walked among dinosaurs and or pacoderms
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  Speaker 1: and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, that's wrong, I guess that's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very sorry, but I think they believe Jesus came
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  Speaker 1: to a Marca. Yeah, and that's why we're a blessed country.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Jesus blessed us personally? Did he traveled to see
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  Speaker 2: He walked on water all the way, all.
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  Speaker 1: The way to Missouri. Honey came in through Florida, made
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  Speaker 1: his way up to Missouri.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So anyway, they're planning a trip to Nabu, Illinois,
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  Speaker 2: and Logan and Hunter are like, fuck that noise. No,
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  Speaker 2: I'm staying home, which that's the smartest idea, totally, I
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  Speaker 2: totally would have done that. Maddie is so jealous. Mattie's like,
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  Speaker 2: I wish I could fucking stay.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Michelte, as she's being told that the family's taking
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  Speaker 1: a road trip to Illinois, she makes a gesture and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, get me out of here, get me out
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  Speaker 1: of this family. I'm sick of this bullshit. And again,
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  Speaker 1: it's so performative, like this entire season has been about
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  Speaker 1: the cul de sac, Yeah, my sister wife's closet, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, very interested in those two things.
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  Speaker 2: Oh me too, but also.
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  Speaker 1: Like putting polygamy on the main stage and talking about
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  Speaker 1: their values with that, which I couldn't care less personally.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, about their polygamy. I mean I'm interested
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  Speaker 1: in religion, I'm interested to learn a little bit more,
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  Speaker 1: and we do in this episode. But I'm like, stop
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  Speaker 1: showcasing your bullshit fucking marriages that are gonna fail anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Oh all a far And this.
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  Speaker 2: Whole episode you can see it on Cody's face. He
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  Speaker 2: fucking hates Christine.
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  Speaker 1: I hate Christine.
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  Speaker 2: Why is she always yelling at I don't know, but she's.
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  Speaker 1: Always like seventeen to twenty five decibels higher than everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: It's the aries.
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  Speaker 1: God, I'm like, calm down, it's the aries. You don't
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  Speaker 1: need to be so loud, Like we're right here on
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  Speaker 1: the college with you now, we don't need to shout mickelti.
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  Speaker 2: I'm mckelta hundred percent. That's where she gets it from.
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  Speaker 2: But they embark on their pilgrimage Tanavu in two RV's
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  Speaker 2: and a car, right or is it just two RVs.
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  Speaker 1: It's two RV's and their plan is to make it
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  Speaker 1: to Illinois in three days and so just quite a feat. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Mary's been the one to organize the trip and like
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  Speaker 1: where they're gonna be, and of course they don't make it. No,
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  Speaker 1: they don't to any of the places on time.
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  Speaker 2: No, on day one, it took them sixteen hours to
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  Speaker 2: do an eight hour day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I'm like, that is absolutely ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Like that makes me so mad. I'm such a play
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, we leave on schedule, we're gonna get there
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  Speaker 2: by this time.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a Virgo rising, Yes, that's why and Virgo
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  Speaker 1: mercury okitch, So yeah, I'm like, I want some semblance
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  Speaker 1: of structure.
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  Speaker 2: I understand shit happens.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's like nine thousand children who are going to
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  Speaker 1: have to go to the bathroom at various times. And
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  Speaker 1: they do talk about it, like one bathroom stop at
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  Speaker 1: some Rando gas station should be fifteen minutes for the
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  Speaker 1: normal person, but it's one hour with the Browns. And
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  Speaker 1: so imagine having to stop ten times because you got
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  Speaker 1: little Fanna, you got little Gabe, you got Maddie, somebody's
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  Speaker 1: on their period, somebody's got a poob. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: happening all the time.
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  Speaker 2: But so that makes your trip eight hours longer. Like
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  Speaker 2: I failed to see how.
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  Speaker 1: It makes it that we apparently.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like they drive slow. I feel like they
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  Speaker 2: wake up super late and then they try to get
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  Speaker 2: there by a certain time and they end up getting
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  Speaker 2: there late at night. I don't know it all. It
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  Speaker 2: pissed me off.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well you're just gonna have a salpe and in
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  Speaker 1: bottle on our road trip all your kids and us too.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you got r v's. You can pee in the rv.
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  Speaker 1: Ew but how do you empty that?
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  Speaker 2: It goes into a tank. That's the point of an RVY.
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  Speaker 1: Can you smell it? I don't want to do that.
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  Speaker 2: It goes into a tank and then you can empty
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  Speaker 2: it when you're at a stop or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: God you know you do that. No, I would never
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, that's the point of the r v's
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  Speaker 2: unless they didn't have bathrooms.
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  Speaker 1: But then I'm like, whatever, Well, I think they just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to lounge and lay down and sleep in the
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  Speaker 1: r v I they maybe they had a bathroom, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. All I do know is that two
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  Speaker 1: of the wives didn't want to sleep in the r v's,
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  Speaker 1: and two of the wives had to sleep in the
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  Speaker 1: r v's, And so of course Robin of course got
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  Speaker 1: to go and sleep at the hotel because she used
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  Speaker 1: the Solomon needs his own room. And then Christine, who's
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  Speaker 1: self id's as a princess, and she's like, absolutely, I
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  Speaker 1: want to the hotel. I want to wash my butt.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get in a nice bed. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to hear all this racket. And then Mary's like, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: a sleep in their vie. I'm fine to sleep in
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  Speaker 1: the RVY. And then Janelle wants to sleep in the
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  Speaker 1: arvy because she likes to camp.
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  Speaker 2: She does like that, which I thought was cute because
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  Speaker 2: we see that even in season eighteen. She's like, I
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  Speaker 2: like to be in the RV. That's great.
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  Speaker 1: But where's Cody sleeping with Robin? Because on one of
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  Speaker 1: the nights he's like, I didn't know our hotel was
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  Speaker 1: twelve miles away. In like our hotel because you were
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  Speaker 1: just talking about how you had to rotate your wives
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  Speaker 1: when you travel so that you can make sure that
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  Speaker 1: you're with each one equally, But no, you're with Robin totally.
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  Speaker 2: Well because he has to be because of.
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  Speaker 1: The baby, but truly she's also a baby.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Christy can handle it, Okay, that's probably Cody's logic,
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  Speaker 2: like you've had six kids, you can deal with it. Well.
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  Speaker 1: When they're talking about this, he looks at Mary directly
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, why don't you have a baby and
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  Speaker 1: then you can stay at the hotel.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, that is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: You set the choir part out loud.
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  Speaker 2: Oh there's a lot of he does quiet parts in
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  Speaker 2: this episode, that's for sure. But anyway, so day one
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  Speaker 2: takes sixteen hours. They stop in Grand Junction. Oh, they
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  Speaker 2: stopped at family Pond on the way there, and you too.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting to me though, because isn't that where Mackelti
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  Speaker 1: goes when she graduates and shews it a pawn shop
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  Speaker 1: in Saint George. It must be this place maybe, And
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  Speaker 1: the guy who owns the pawn shop also owns the
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  Speaker 1: high Ram smith House in navou.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so while they're at the pawn shop, they're talking
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  Speaker 1: about Mormonism again, and we got a portrait of Brigham Young,
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  Speaker 1: and yes, we get to hear about how Cody looks
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  Speaker 1: like Brigham Young.
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  Speaker 2: And but Christine thinks Brigham Young's ugly af.
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  Speaker 1: And Robin thinks Brigham Young's have some Of course, it
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  Speaker 1: was cringe.
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  Speaker 2: And Robin only said that on purpose because Cody was
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  Speaker 2: offended that Christine thinks Brigham Young is ugly, but that
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  Speaker 2: he also looks like Brigham Young.
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  Speaker 1: Very bizarre.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I didn't see the resemblance at all.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean no, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean they're both ugly. Yeah, yes, they're both ugly. And
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  Speaker 2: so then after the pawnshop, then they arrive at their
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  Speaker 2: hotels or whatever, and they have a family meeting, and
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  Speaker 2: Cody's like, we have to leave earlier in the day.
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  Speaker 2: I can't fucking do this. This is late at night.
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  Speaker 2: What are we doing. Christine didn't even want to do
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  Speaker 2: the meeting anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean it's eleven pm. Yeah, she wants
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  Speaker 1: to go to her hotel. She wants to clean her butt, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and she wants to lay in bed and watch TV
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  Speaker 1: and have a cocktail, I would assume. And he just
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  Speaker 1: wants to yell at everybody because they're ten hours late
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  Speaker 1: to their destination.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, it's partly your fault too.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, of course it's partly his fault. And Mary's like, well,
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: I think we need to leave a little earlier tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: since obviously it's taking us so long. And Christine's like
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: all I'm hearing is wan wamp wamps schedual schedule, schedule.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go to bed.
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: Say, like, shut the fuck up.
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  Speaker 1: Mary's trying though, to get everybody there in a timely manner,
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  Speaker 1: but nobody gives a shit.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody cares at all because they have all these fucking kids.
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: How are you gonna get them all together? When the
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: adults can't even get themselves.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: And then imagine how the Rvy smells with all those kids.
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: But it's just you know, farting doing all those kid.
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  Speaker 2: Things with the stale socks and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Driving for four days, eighteen hour days in an Rvy.
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: That sounds like hell to me.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds horrible.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: My husband wants to buy an Rvy. He thinks that
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: sounds so fantastic to just travel the country in an Arvy. No,
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  Speaker 1: thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Some ARV's are tricked out.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I don't. That's great and all, but I have
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  Speaker 1: absolutely no desire to do anything.
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  Speaker 2: Full size showers, full sized toilets.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, where's the water coming from?
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: Well yeah no, but if you plug it into an
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: Arvy park, you plug it into the water.
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: I don't want it. I'm never gonna do it. I
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  Speaker 1: will say their first class bitch, yeah, and I will
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  Speaker 1: meet you at our justin.
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  Speaker 2: You're the real princess, Yes i am.
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: I'm no part of an Arvy.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, you don't even want a camp. No, no,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely not. In day two, they leave late, shocker, and
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: the old kids are tired. They're fucking over it, as
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: am I. They arrive late into Kansas, and then Cody's
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: talking about how it's difficult traveling with this big ass family.
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  Speaker 1: He only had four hours of sleep tonight before, He's
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: probably only have four hours of sleep tonight. And poor Cody,
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  Speaker 1: he needs.
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  Speaker 2: His beauty sleep he does.
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: He's gotta put up his gonna roll up his hair,
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: he's gotta put on his bonnet. He's gotta get sleep,
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: and he's got to get a full eight hours. I
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: don't know about be getting pegged now. He needs a
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: full eight hours of sleep, and so he's bugging.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh he's grumpy. He is so grumpy. He talks
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: about how it's hard to have to rotate between all
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: the wives, and then Robin's like, if I hate that
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: word rotate.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: I hate that because I want you all the time
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: and I never want you to have to rotate these tires. Like,
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: is there no prognosticator in this family? Is there nobody
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: that could just like put their finger to the wind
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: and see that it's going to be a hellish trip
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: across the country to Illinois of all places during the summer.
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: Can't you figure this out? This is gonna be terrible.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: But you're gonna haul all your kids across this country
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  Speaker 1: and you're gonna have a stink attitude. I mean, Cody,
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: the least you could do, since you're the one who
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: wanted all of these kids to do this, is be
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: in a good mood. I mean, trying to have like
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: good vibes. But you can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: You can't because he's tired, asshole, Okay, I know. Like,
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  Speaker 2: so you're the only one that's allowed to have an attitude,
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: but then you get annoyed with Christine being a princess
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  Speaker 2: or being upset that you're holding a family meeting at
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  Speaker 2: eleven pm at night.
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  Speaker 1: Just get realistic, be like, Okay, it's gonna take us
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: five days. We're gonna drive no matter what. We're gonna
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: drive seven hours, eight hours, and we're stopping and then
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have a full night sleep. We're having a
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: nice dinner, and like, just make it easy, right, Like
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: when my husband and I go from North Texas up
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: to Des Moines, Iowa to visit my brother, which we
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: do every single year. What is that a ten hour
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: drive where we stop. Oh yeah, we stop and just
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: outside of Topeka or somewhere, I don't know. We were
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, somewhere in Kansas. We get
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: a nice hotel. Yeah, we go out for a nice dinner,
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: we sleep in, and then we make our way another
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  Speaker 1: four or five six hours.
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  Speaker 2: It's much more enjoyable, no stress. Yeah, Like when my
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: family moved us down from Washington state, go all the
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: way to Texas.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: Like those people from my six hundred pound life made
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: that lazy Buckingham from Washington, she got, i know, kicked
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: out of her vehicle.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Buy our sister in law o the side of the
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: road in Texas. We took like a whole week to
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: drive down and we made stops, like we went and
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: saw our family in Oregon, We saw my uncle in Sacramento.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: We went to Sedona, and then we drove right through
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: New Mexico because it's ugly as ship, stopped in West
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Texas and then you know, came in. It was fine.
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  Speaker 2: It sucked driving that long. It's a long fucking drive,
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: but like take the time to that.
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  Speaker 1: You're not like go go go, go go for real,
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  Speaker 1: and then pissed off because you don't make it on time.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Browns should know better as a family.
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  Speaker 2: I know, because by day three they're a day behind.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Cody's so bent out of Shay buddy.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: He is, and I think Robin is too. I think
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Robin's probably in his ear like this is bullshit. Why
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: are we taking this long to drive to Illinois? Like
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: it shouldn't be this bad, and so now it's making
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: him even more angry. Their day behind, there's like a
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: windstorm which looked horrible, like it's like blowing the awnings
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: up on their RVs and they're like swerving in the roads.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Looked terrible.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Mary's base. She's like, I can drive. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got no problem driving and I'm not tired. I
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: can drive us all the way there all the way back.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: But somehow this isn't enough for Cody, because Cody doesn't
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: want her to drive, like he wants to put another
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: wife in there. He wants different wives to drive, and
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: he wants to spend time with different wives. I'm like,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: what's your problem? I don't know, why are you yelling
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: at Mary? He storms out of the RV and slams
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: the door, and she's like, I said I could drive,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: what's the big problem?
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Like, seriously, he's obviously tired. She's like saying, on the couch, dude,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: just go take a fucking nap. It's fine, Like I'm good.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: But he's like not seeing it in this moment because
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: he's tired and grumpy.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: And he's a mad baby. Yeah he's a paper boy.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: But on the on the.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Get your googu and shut the fuck up, no, for real.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: But on the couch he's talking about how he's frustrated
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: because he just wants his wives to obey him, like
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: that's the root of it. And then Christine shouts and says,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: obeying is just a four little word and that's offensive.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean it's never been that. You've been
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: with some of these women for twenty years. It's not
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: going to ever be that. No, So why are we
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: expecting your wives to fall into line and obey you.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: They're just not going to.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: No, they're independent, wemy. But okay, he wants to be
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: the patriarch. He wants to be the leader.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Now this really is I think the origin story of
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: his patriarchal arc. Like this is where it's starting to happen, like,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: why won't these bitches treat me like Joe Darker's wives
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: treat me, Like why don't they respect me the same way?
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: And so I think now is the time he's starting
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: to change a little bit more and get resentful of
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: wives like Christine who are like absolutely not.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry, but why don't you be a husband
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: that is worth respecting?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I mean period, really period.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Like if you're a respectable, respectable man, then the women
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: are going to be fun and all over you. Huh,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: do whatever you want.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Right, but you suck well. And Christine even said as
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: much in the Joe Darker episode when she's like, it's
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: clear that his family and his kids respect him, meaning, Cody,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: your family doesn't know. It's because you act like a
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: bitch made baby boy. Yep, Sorry, is that rude? I apologize.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: It's the te I do not prefer him.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: It's just the truth. And so then on the way
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: to Illinois on this third day they're late, Mary has
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: some stupid excursion for the family where they stop and
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Topeka or something, and they go and
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: visit truck Hinge, which is run by a guy who
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: hates the government, right he's probably doing meth.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Probably doing meth.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's great. I laughed so hard at this
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: because it was so dumb.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: It was dumb. And did his shirt read you say
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: psychotic like it's a bad thing. Yes, I'm like, what
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: were you guys expecting to like encounter here. But he
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: just talks about how the government didn't like all of
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the trucks that he had on his property. Would totally
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: be my husband. It would totally if he didn't have
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: a woman. This is exactly what my husband would do.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: And so as a big f you to the government,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: he puts his trucks vertical and cements them into the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: ground and he makes truck henge.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's based.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Totally what my husband would do. Yeah, And he just
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: talks about giving the middle finger to the government. With
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: all these kids around, he's flipping off the camera and
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: then he's got the brown kids flipping off the camera,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm like.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: This is great, It's actually really great.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Christine hated it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: She hated him.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: She hated yep.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: She's like, why are we seeing this man who hates
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: the government. I mean, he's just terrible. And this guy
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: with his no teeth, he's like, I can't imagine having
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: more than one wife with his crazy, scraggly beard. I
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: loved it, but it was also just like dumb, Like Mary,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: what were you exp.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Why are we stopping at truck Hench? But like Mary's
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: just trying to plan out like a road trip that
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: would be fun for the kids.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And I mean, what is there in Topeka, Kansas.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, not much, honey.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: That's probably the only thing she found online when she
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: was googling, so whatever. Then they leave, they arrive late,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: they're still twelve miles away from the hotel that they
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: were gonna stay at, and co flipping out.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, he had no idea that the hotel would
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: be so far away, and he's gonna have to drive
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: there because of course he's staying at the hotel with Robin.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Of course, of course, but he's like, I'm not gonna
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: be able to go to sleep tonight until one or two.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: He opens the RV door where Mary is sitting. He's like,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: by the way, we're not leaving until later tomorrow morning
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: because I got to get some sleep. And Mary's like,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you're sniping at me, like chill
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: out and he's like, fine, I'm just telling everybody. So
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: he's just a grump. He's hard to be around. He's
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: making this road trip suck suck so hard.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: And you know what, I actually have a little uncensored form.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So now we're back from our uncensored
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and by the way, if you want to hear our
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: uncensored conversation, all you have to do is go to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Patreon because that's where all of these uncensored bits are.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: So back to the Browns. We start day four. We
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: are on our way to navoo Y finally, and it's
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: like there's a river, there's a body of water. I mean,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Illinois is just flat as fuck, honey. I lived there
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: for fifteen years. It's not the most beautiful, horrible or
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: beauteous state in the Union or whatever. They're rounding no offense.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: So they're rounding this bend. There's some water over here,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and then oh, the Mormon Temple of navoo I know.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: And they're like, oh my god, it's like coming home.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I felt it in my got in my heart when
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I saw that temple in the middle of a cornfield.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: And they arrive at him him Smith Smith, who's the
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: brother of Joseph Smith, aka the Mormon Prophet, and they're
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: at his house and Christine's like, oh my god, I'm
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: so excited that we're staying in his house. Feels so
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: amazing that my kids are playing the same backyard that
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Hi Ram's kids played it. Oh my god, I love it. Yeah.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I mean sure, I can imagine if there's a historical
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: figure that I venerate and slash worship his teachings or whatever,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: like being in the same place. I mean, I'm sure
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that's charged with a lot of Mormon energy or whatever.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: So she's into it. All the kids are running around
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and they are so excited to be a Navoo.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I'm just happy.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Could never be me, honey, I could never be. No, never, No,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I'll be in Chicago at the Four Seasons with the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Gospel Ball's and talking to people at the bar, eating
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: some sushi or right, come and get me on the
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: way back. Actually, I'll fly because I ain't getting an RV.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I can't just imagine how terrible the drive was on
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: the way back. It probably took them five days at least.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: You're excited to get there on the front end, but
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: on the back end it's just like Jesus, get me
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: away from I'm gonna kill them all. I'm going to
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: mass murder all of these people my fault, and I'll
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: get off.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep exactly. And then they take a tour of
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Navo with a very lovely tour guide Joseph Johnston, who
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: looks like Jesus. He does look like Jesus.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And he's walking up to the Browns and his hair
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: is just gloss and chestnut brown. And Christine's like, oh,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: he looks like Jesus. And everyone's like, oh my god,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: he's got nicer hair than you. Cody.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Actually, Christine's the one that says that, oh yeah, and
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: that does not make Cody feel good.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: And Cody says something like, well, at least he has
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: hair on his forehead, referring to his own balding, which
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I guess he's acknowledging.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: At least he's a little self aware of that. Yes,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: that's pretty great. But then they take them I think
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: the tour guide takes them to a parking lot. They
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: a weird parking lot where they're talking about polygamy.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: There's a field across from a parking lot. I mean,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: just any old field in Illinois is what that looks like.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And Joseph says something like right there in that field
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: is where Hiram Smith confronted Brigham Young and asked him
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: what's going on, Brigham, because I can tell there's things
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: going on I don't know about. And this is the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: moment Brigham Young reveals to Hiram Young that Joseph's been
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: this whole time and he's got a bunch of wives
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and they're practicing polygamy because Joseph got a testimony from the.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Spirit uh huh.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: And so this is the first that Hiram heard of it.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And apparently Hiram and Joseph used to argue about this
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: because Hiram was against it. Yeah, but Joseph wanted all
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: these women for himself, of course.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: And then they talk about how many wives Joseph Smith
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: actually had, and like, normally this tour guide apparently doesn't
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: go into like too much of polygamies, people ask about
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: it and stuff, but because he's actually tour with polygamists,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: he gives him the full spiel and he says that
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Joseph Smith actually had thirty three yep, thirty three.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Wives, which was a surprise to Cody Brown, who thought
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that it was seventeen yep. And then Joseph reveals that
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: twelve of those thirty three wives were actually married to
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: other men. Yes, so it sounds like some more in
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Jeff's bullshit where he just comes into men's houses with
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: their wives and says that wive's mind now, yes, you
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: belong to me.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And Robin seems to have a big problem with this.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: She's like, wait, wait, wait, you're saying that these women
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: were with other men, and Joseph's like, they were married
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to those men in the fullest extent of that term,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: like they were looking, oh yeah, the husbands, and they
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: were also belonging to Joseph Smith. And so Robin has
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: some cognitive dissonance because wait a minute, that would make
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: them brother husbands.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, because Mary asks if they were still like foreigner
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Caton with their original husbands, and Joseph Smith and the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: tour guy says yes. And I was asking Ethel about this,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: and Cody kind of talks about it. There's like a
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: historical debate of like what actually was happening was Joseph
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Smith's otherwives. Ethel told me that a lot of like
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the mainstream narrative is that Joseph Smith thought that these
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: twelve women's husbands were not holy enough, and so he
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: wanted to save them because he's such a good guy.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: He wanted to save them from hell, but Mormons don't
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: really believe in hell. He wanted to save them and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: bless them, so that's why he took them from their husband,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: stole them, and married them.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Doesn't that sound like the girl who was on the
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Polygamist Rescue episode if you back, like her father just
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: disappeared one night because he told his family he was
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: a bad man. Yeah, and his whole family now had
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to belong to Warren Jeff's. Then Warren Jeffs got caught
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: up in all that criminality and so then they had
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to go with some other men. So it sounds a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: little bit like he was also told that he was
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: not holy enough.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, similar story there. Yeah, but I guess the historians
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: kind of debate, like what actually.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Happened, well, yeah, because they probably want to cover that up. Yeah,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and I think there's the conversation from Cody about well,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe he just blessed them. They blessed these
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: twelve women and sealed them in their faith and then
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Janelle says something that's pretty base. She's like, well, it's
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: just Joseph Smith. He's not God. He's just a guy.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: It's not going to change my faith, which was interesting
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: to me because I know they call him a prophet yep,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: but I didn't know whether he was some sort of
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a deity to them, some sort of a small g God.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: No, I guess I was asking Ethel about this. So
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: in like LDS faith, there's like multiple prophets, so there
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: always has to be a living prophet, okay, So like
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Joseph Smith was that one that he died, and then
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: it was Brigham Young and then he died, and then
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: so on and so on. So she said that right now,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: in the LDS faith, there's a prophet I forget his name,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I can't remember, there's one that's currently alive. But then
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be a next one because the Buddha I
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: don't know, okay, all right, yeah, like they're like men
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that are like ordained because they have special powers or
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: something I don't know, something like they speak to the divine. Sure, yeah,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, a whole fucking thing, right to
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: fuck shit? Right, But yeah, so there always has to
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: be a living prophet. So there's multiple profits. Okay, I
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: learned that today. But Joseph Smith was the first one.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay, allegedly, I don't know.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so then after the Mormon parking lot polygamist talk,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: then they go and visit Carthage.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Well before that, they go to the place of the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Navu expository. Was it called the expository, It was the paper.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: It was the scene of the unrest, the initial unrest
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: that ultimately god Joseph Smith charged and apparently the newspaper
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: in Navu posted or made an article wrote an article
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: about how Joseph Smith was a polygamist but also a polytheis,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't just polygamy. It was also the fact
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: that Joseph Smith preached that men could become gods, which
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: was very radical, especially in Christendom, and also was teaching
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that you could baptize the dead into the faith. So
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: even if you died, you never were a Mormon, you
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: died a Christian, you died an atheist. These Mormon people
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: could come in and they could baptize you into Mormonism
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and now you got you oh blat.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: It yep, that's still a thing.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: By the way, it is still a thing. And so
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that all began in Nauvoo. And I think this newspaper
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: printed an article about that, and so Joseph Smith, the
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: city council and all of these polygamoust people got pissed
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: off because they wrote that article, and they destroyed the newspaper.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they burned it down.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: They burned it down. Mary's ancestor was standing across the
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: road watching it burned down. I'm like, why do we
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: need to say that. Why is that important? I don't know.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's like not a good thing to be
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: proud of, Like your ancestors just sitting there watching it,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: not doing anything.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Not doing anything. Kay. And so then Joseph Smith is
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: charged for what happened to the newspaper and also causing
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: this unrest. That's when he goes to Carthage. She appears
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: in court, he posts his bail on the way out.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: The state approaches and charges him with treason.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then imprisons him.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Imprisons him in the in the jail in Carthage, him
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and Hiram.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, and then Robin's ancestor, John Solomon Fulmer. So this
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: is what King Solomon is named after Baby King's alms.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: We learned something today.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: So he's a lawyer and he is trying to help
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: get Joseph and Hiram I think out of jail. And
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: then there's a mob, like an angry mom of Mormons
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: who bust into the jail. They kill Hiram, and then Joseph.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Looks like Joseph's trying to get out of a window,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: although the way Mormon will tell you is he opens
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the window and declares his love for God, and then
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: he's immediately shot, falls from the window. The crowd drags
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: him by his scout honey, drags him by his hair
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to a well, and then one of the dudes with
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the bayonet spears him through and murders Joseph Smith. It's
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: a terrible way to go. It sounds awful, and I
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: think it was. Was it Mormons who did this, Mormons
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: who weren't polygamists, I think so. I'm not clear there
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't a mob or whether it's like a totally different situation,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. But he was smartred for the God.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: He was. But then Brigham Young was the Mormon Moses,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and he brought all of his polygamist friends out to
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Utah and that's where they brought right.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: They moved from Nauvoo to Salt Lake City basin or
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: whatever I guess, And that's how that happened. Yes, And
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: that was interesting actually for me to learn about because
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: as a fundamentalist Christian, as an evangelical, and as someone
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: who was a missionary who was constantly competing, by the way,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: with Mormons, and like Tonga and Fiji, the Mormons are
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: all over those islands, and so it was like a
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: race to get to the person to save them to
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: your faith. And so we had to learn a lot
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: about Mormonism. And so I heard stories about Joseph Smith
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and his dispensation from God, what he taught his character,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: but like a lot of that is tainted and filtered
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: through the biased lens of a fundamentalist or an evangelical.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting to me, long story long, Yeah, to
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: hear these explanations of the mythology.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure, I thought it was pretty interesting. And
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: like how Cody's talking about how he really believes Joseph
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Smith's testimony, that's why he's living out polygamy. But I'm like, okay, oh,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: we forgot to talk about twain Town. We do. We
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: totally skipped through that.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: We can go back to that, but we don't have
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: to like edit anything different yet. We could just go
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: back to Twaintown. But to your point, with Cody talking
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: a lot, like he mentions this a lot, like how
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Joseph Smith's testimony and Joseph Smith's life has inspired him
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: into plural marriage, and he really believes this as an
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: article of his faith, Like he seems really passionate about it,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Like in these moments, he seems like he really believes this.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: And I again, I'm just wondering what changed so radically
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that in just ten years time, you're living a life
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: that's completely counterintuitive to what you said you believed in
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the way you're treating your children and your wives, these
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: different plural marriages, like is objectively despicable. Yeah, So, like
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: what happened, I.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Don't know, Like when he was talking about all of
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: this and how he's just so moved by Joseph Smith's testimony,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I just kind of got the feeling that he was
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: just regurgitating bullshit that his father told him because his
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: father converted to polygamy late in life, because he wanted
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: to bang Janell's mom and that was the whole reason.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: So he's telling his son this, Cody says his mom
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: believed in polygamy too, Like I don't know, it just
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: felt very regurgitated to me and like he wasn't actually
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: like believing it, but who knows. I mean, he says
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: it at the end, he's like, you know, when I'm
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: dealing with my nagging, cranky, ugly wines essentially is when
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: he's saying that's the subtext here. He's like, what I'm
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: dealing with this, I just have to remember this beautiful
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: story of where we came from and why I believe
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: this testimony so much. So that's his justification. But I'm like,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: you're not happy though, No.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Look at you're definitely not happy. But a lot of
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: people who are in religion aren't really happy with their situation.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But they're doing it for their faith, or they think
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: they're doing it for their faith until such time as
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: they just can't do it anymore, and then they leave
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: it and or they destroy it, which is what Cody
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Brown has done exactly. So let's go back to twain Town.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Twain Town I think was in Kansas.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: It's on day four.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Day four, I don't know where it was, Mark, I
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: think is in twain Town, Missouri. They go and check
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: out where Mark Twain lived or something, Yes, and they
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: take a tour and it's it is whatever, But they
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: do have a tour guide that shares a bit of
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Mark Twain's writing about traveling through Salt Lake City.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is pretty great because he was talking about
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I think Mark Twain was like, I don't know how
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: anybody could live polygamy or something, and then he sees
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: these ugly ass, nasty ass polygamous women and he's like, oh,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: it could not be me.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Essentially, Marked much more eloquent than that. But Mark Twain
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: essentially says I went to Utah, buddy, and all those
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: women were ungainly, unattractive and not beautiful. And so any
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: man who marries a Mormon woman is doing a Christian service.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Any man who marries multiple Mormon women are doing is
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: doing a Christian service for the rest of the world
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: because those women are not attractive.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: And all of the wives and Cody are laughing at this,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: and Cody on the couch is making light of it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: But Christine's kind offending.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: She's but hurt because she's like, we're not ugly.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: And then Cody has to say very forced like, no,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: my wives are beautiful, but he's totally laughing about it
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: because he doesn't think three of those four.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Wives, because not anythink's one of those wives is pretty,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: but the rest of those wives not so much. He
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: also says he's seen a lot of not attractive polygamous women,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and then Christine all in her feelings, he's like, well,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I've seen.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: A lot of ugly polygamists. Uh huh.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Very defensive because she's already not being banged by Cody,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: she's already fallen out of favor. He doesn't like to
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: spend time at her house, and she knows he finds
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: her to be very unattractive, so that hits close to
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: home for her.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Well, and I know he said all of this like
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: in season eighteen where he's like, I've never attracted Orstine.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I thought she was ugly and fat and gross. But
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm wondering if he's saying that in these
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: earlier seasons to her behind closed doors, like mm, I
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: don't know, your body's not the same after true, not
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: into it. I'm sorry, Like I wonder if he says
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: that shit and she's just maybe maybe.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't put it past him. He seems to
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: be a cruel person.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Of course. And when you've got Robin's breakdancing posty, I mean.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: How care you compare? You can't No, and Diesel.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Geans, Oh my god, I saw Reddit posts today. It
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: was like from an earlier season, like probably after season five,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and it's Cody just talking about how beautiful Robin is
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: and it's this angle of her where you can see
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: her job, and all the people on Reddit were being
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: so mean, like posting like witch faces. Yeah, because everyone's like, really,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: you think Robin's beautiful?
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean maybe he felt like compared to his
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: other wives who he was not attracted to, like she
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: was a step up. Maybe.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I mean I don't see it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I don't see it either, But like to each their own,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to share and try to body show.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're better than that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: We're better than that, be Adrin.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: We don't body shame here, far.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Be it from us.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Was that the end of the episode pretty much?
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Cody talking about Joseph Smith sacrificing himself for his testimony, Okay,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: and Cody's like, we could be killed for the oh
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: and the Okay, Cody and the museum that they wanted
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: to go see the Mormon Museum, they said they wouldn't
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: allow Cody and his family and because they were polygamousts.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And I asked Ethel about that. She said, it's probably
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: actually because they don't want cameras.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: And I was thinking it was because they didn't want
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: the publicity because it's sacred. But I mean, we need
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to be martyrs, right to these polygamists. So we're just
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: trying to show folks that we have a happy, loving
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: family and we're being persecuted for it. That's part of
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: their family identity exactly, which is just bullshit.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: And then we have the preview for the next episode,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the last episode of the season, and this is where
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: it starts to get good. At day Okay, because Cody
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: is bulding, he contemplates shaving his head, which I don't
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: think he does.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think he does too. I don't ever remember
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: like photographs of him with a shaved head.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: But he's like sitting there with his hair wet, He's
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: getting ready to get shaved.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, I wish he'd do it.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, God, he looks so much better. Not really. And
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: then we have Logan leaving for college and the family
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: is discussing how important it is to have the cul
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: de sac ready to go so the kids have roots
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and a home to come home to. But we know
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: that doesn't last.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: And then we have Cody upset with Mary because she
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: is overspending on her house. Yep, I want to see
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: it because she cries about it. Yeah.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: So they're sitting down in the room with Mona and
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: it's Cody and Mary and Mona and somebody else. And
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Cody comes in with an attitude. He's already pissed off,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and she's like, what's your funky attitude about? And he's
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: just like, I know you're gonna be over budget. I
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: know you're overspending, and this is a problem. And Mary's
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: doors to cry, My walls.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Are growing up.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Mona, can you just meet with the other women first
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: to know?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I have to collect myself.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how about it's because you're overspending and I suspect
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: you're taking from the family pot to finance your dumb ass,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: ugly ass wet bar and your French doors door in
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: your hobby room and your fifth bedroom.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Wow, I can't wait me neither.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: That better be like the bulk of Focus. I don't
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: care about Logan, I love them very much. I don't care,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and I don't really care about whatever the second thing
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: was because I've already forgotten.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: What it is. Cody's here, Oh what kind of carame?
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: But he's not going to cut it, so I don't
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: really care.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I just want to see how much he's balding in
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: these earlier seasons because I want to compare it with
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: what we see now.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just like these patches of bald.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Hair, seeding, hair achorage, of body showing me more today?
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, with some commentary from a stylist, that would be great. Yes,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: well this was fun, my dear, Yeah, it was quite interesting.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Is there anything else that we need to say to
• 40:28
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• 40:31
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• 40:35
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• 40:41
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• 40:43
  Speaker 1: We will be back later this week to continue our
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: conversation about Welcome to Platform and also Unexpected, which has
• 40:50
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• 40:53
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• 40:56
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• 40:58
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• 40:59
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