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- 0:01Host 1: Imagine, setting aside 66 million euros of public money.
- 0:04Host 1: Specifically to fight extreme poverty.
- 0:06Host 1: Only to watch the vast majority of those funds flow, you know,
- 0:09Host 1: straight into the pockets of the comfortable middle class.
- 0:13Host 2: It's staggering.
- 0:15Host 1: Right, today is Friday, August 7th, 2026
- 0:18Host 1: and as we jump into your daily frontpage.pt briefing,
- 0:22Host 1: we're seeing this recurring, rather shocking theme across the Portuguese newsstands.
- 0:27Host 2: Yeah. It's definitely a pattern today.
- 0:30Host 1: We've pulled together the reporting from Publico, Diario de Noticias,
- 0:33Host 1: Correio da Manha and Jornal de Noticias,
- 0:36Host 1: and the common thread for this deep dive is a country that seems to be
- 0:40Host 1: operating at two entirely different, deeply conflicting speeds.
- 0:43Host 2: Absolutely.
- 0:45Host 2: And nowhere is that friction more obvious this morning than in the political arena,
- 0:49Host 2: where the walls are just closing in on Luis Neves.
- 0:53Host 1: It is the dominant visual across almost every paper today.
- 0:57Host 1: I mean, Neves is facing this incredibly intense,
- 1:00Host 1: dual-pronged level of scrutiny right now.
- 1:03Host 2: Two different investigations.
- 1:06Host 1: Exactly.
- 1:07Host 1: He's dealing with a major audit of the PJ, the Policia Judiciaria,
- 1:11Host 1: which is the national criminal investigation police.
- 1:14Host 1: And that audit was directly ordered by the Justice Minister, Rita Judice.
- 1:19Host 2: Right.
- 1:20Host 2: But sitting right alongside that,
- 1:23Host 2: there is a completely separate investigative process happening in the Court of Auditors.
- 1:28Host 1: I'm just trying to picture the sheer stress of that environment.
- 1:31Host 1: It feels a bit like a commercial kitchen during the absolute peak of the dinner rush.
- 1:36Host 1: Every single burner is turned up to high,
- 1:39Host 1: and you have Luis Neves on the front burner
- 1:42Host 1: essentially boiling over with this multi-agency pressure.
- 1:46Host 2: That's a good way to look at it.
- 1:48Host 2: But when you look at the other politicians on the front pages today,
- 1:53Host 2: they're behaving completely differently in this exact same kitchen.
- 1:57Host 1: The contrast is definitely stark.
- 2:00Host 2: Take Prime Minister Luis Montenegro.
- 2:02Host 2: Correio da Manha has this massive exclusive today, complete with photos,
- 2:07Host 2: catching him breaking his own public vacation promise.
- 2:10Host 1: Yeah, they caught him.
- 2:13Host 2: He was spotted lounging on an Algarve beach
- 2:16Host 2: with family, friends, and significantly, the parliamentary leader
- 2:19Host 2: of his ruling PSD party.
- 2:22Host 2: So he's the head chef trying to sneak out the back door to catch some sun,
- 2:27Host 2: while the fire alarms are going off.
- 2:30Host 1: Right.
- 2:31Host 1: And then over at the Presidential Palace in Belem,
- 2:35Host 1: you have President Seguro.
- 2:37Host 2: Diario de Noticias is devoting major column inches to him today,
- 2:41Host 2: specifically evaluating his first six months in office.
- 2:45Host 1: And they aren't pulling any punches, are they?
- 2:48Host 2: Not at all.
- 2:50Host 2: They're openly asking if his trademark political prudence is actually just straight up absence.
- 2:54Host 2: Like, he's the guy standing so incredibly still in this chaotic kitchen
- 2:59Host 2: that he's basically blending into the stainless steel wallpaper.
- 3:03Host 2: But I don't get the strategy there.
- 3:05Host 2: Why would a president choose to be invisible when the public is clearly hungry for leadership?
- 3:10Host 1: Well, it really comes down to the mechanics of political capital and risk avoidance.
- 3:14Host 1: The Portuguese presidency is largely a moderating power, right? A balancing force.
- 3:19Host 1: So historically, presidents here often use silence as a tool
- 3:23Host 1: to stay above the daily partisan mud-wrestling.
- 3:26Host 1: The theory is that if you don't speak on every minor scandal,
- 3:30Host 1: your voice carries massive weight when you finally do.
- 3:34Host 2: So you save it for when it counts.
- 3:37Host 1: Precisely.
- 3:39Host 1: But the mechanism breaks down when the country is facing acute crises.
- 3:43Host 1: When does measured prudence cross the line into a vacuum of leadership?
- 3:47Host 1: That's what Diario de Noticias is pointing out.
- 3:50Host 1: If you're entirely absent during a high-pressure moment,
- 3:53Host 1: the public stops seeing you as a wise observer and starts seeing you as irrelevant.
- 3:58Host 2: Yeah, and meanwhile the Prime Minister is caught on the beach.
- 4:01Host 2: Like, people take vacations, obviously.
- 4:04Host 2: But when you make a highly publicized commitment to stay focused,
- 4:08Host 2: and then you're photographed in the Algarve with your parliamentary leader,
- 4:12Host 2: it totally shatters the illusion of that relentless work ethic.
- 4:16Host 1: It shatters trust.
- 4:18Host 1: It's a failure of optics, sure,
- 4:21Host 1: but it also sends a signal down the entire bureaucratic chain.
- 4:24Host 2: Well, if the leadership isn't holding itself accountable to its own basic public promises,
- 4:29Host 2: how can it hold massive state apparatuses accountable?
- 4:33Host 2: Which, frankly, provides a very clear lens for looking at the catastrophic failure
- 4:37Host 2: of the e-lar program, detailed in today's economic pages.
- 4:41Host 1: Oh, yes. Let's look at this, because this one genuinely makes my blood boil.
- 4:45Host 1: Jornal de Negocios is reporting on e-lar,
- 4:49Host 1: which was this 66 million euro government initiative.
- 4:53Host 2: A huge amount of money.
- 4:55Host 1: Right. And the stated, explicit goal was to combat energy poverty.
- 4:59Host 1: It was supposed to help the most vulnerable citizens buy basic, life-saving necessities,
- 5:04Host 1: things like efficient stoves and gas cylinders.
- 5:08Host 2: A vital initiative, especially given the cost of living right now.
- 5:12Host 1: But the execution was just a disaster.
- 5:15Host 1: According to the data, only a third of that support actually reached the poorest citizens.
- 5:20Host 1: The rest of this massive poverty fund was absorbed by the middle class.
- 5:24Host 2: Stop and explain this to me.
- 5:27Host 2: Because how does a poverty fund legally get raided by the middle class?
- 5:31Host 2: Weren't there strict income caps?
- 5:33Host 1: There were, but that is the trick of bureaucratic friction.
- 5:37Host 1: It's rarely about blatant illegality;
- 5:40Host 1: it's about a concept economists call the 'time tax.'
- 5:43Host 1: Think about the mechanics of how these government funds are usually disbursed.
- 5:47Host 2: Okay.
- 5:49Host 1: The government doesn't just mail you a new stove.
- 5:52Host 1: You generally have to go out, buy the approved appliance with your own money,
- 5:56Host 1: save the receipt, log into a complex digital portal
- 5:59Host 1: using a specialized authentication key, upload the PDFs,
- 6:03Host 1: and then wait weeks or months for the state to reimburse you.
- 6:07Host 2: And if you're truly living in extreme poverty,
- 6:10Host 2: you don't have 500 euros sitting around to float the government a loan for two months.
- 6:15Host 1: Exactly. You don't have the cash,
- 6:17Host 1: you might not have broadband internet,
- 6:20Host 1: and you probably don't have the digital literacy to navigate the portal.
- 6:24Host 1: So who does?
- 6:26Host 2: The middle class.
- 6:28Host 1: The middle class. Yeah.
- 6:30Host 1: They have the upfront capital, the scanners, the laptops,
- 6:34Host 1: and the time to jump through the administrative hoops.
- 6:37Host 1: The policy looks great on paper,
- 6:40Host 1: but the actual mechanism of delivery actively filters out the vulnerable.
- 6:44Host 2: It's like building a state-of-the-art wheelchair ramp to make a library accessible,
- 6:48Host 2: but putting a heavy locked door at the top of it.
- 6:52Host 2: The people who need it are stuck,
- 6:54Host 2: while the people who already had the keys just use the ramp because it's convenient.
- 6:59Host 1: That structural barrier is exactly what's happening
- 7:02Host 1: with the Complemento Solidario para Idosos, the elderly solidarity supplement.
- 7:06Host 1: Diario de Noticias highlights today that the spending and the number of beneficiaries
- 7:10Host 1: for this critical elderly support are decelerating.
- 7:13Host 2: Which makes zero mathematical sense
- 7:15Host 2: in a country with a rapidly aging population and rising inflation.
- 7:20Host 1: It only makes sense if you look at the mechanism.
- 7:23Host 1: The criteria are incredibly stringent,
- 7:26Host 1: and the burden of proof is entirely on the elderly citizen.
- 7:29Host 1: If an 80-year-old cannot physically get to the Social Security office
- 7:34Host 1: or navigate the forms required to prove they're destitute,
- 7:37Host 1: they simply drop off the radar.
- 7:39Host 2: That's heartbreaking.
- 7:41Host 1: It is.
- 7:43Host 1: The government records that as a deceleration in need,
- 7:46Host 1: when in reality, it's just a deceleration in accessibility.
- 7:50Host 1: Add in the report from Correio da Manha
- 7:52Host 1: that the cheapest hours for electricity are shifting next year,
- 7:56Host 1: and you're looking at a system that is fundamentally failing to protect its most fragile citizens.
- 8:01Host 2: And that failure of protection isn't just financial.
- 8:04Host 2: When you look at the public safety and environmental data on today's front pages,
- 8:09Host 2: this inability of the state to adapt and protect takes on a literal life-or-death dimension.
- 8:14Host 2: I mean, I'm looking at the numbers in Publico,
- 8:17Host 2: and it is a staggering metric of failure.
- 8:20Host 1: You're talking about the road safety statistics.
- 8:23Host 2: Yes. Publico reveals that in 2025,
- 8:26Host 2: 589 people died on Portuguese roads.
- 8:29Host 2: If you go back exactly one decade, to 2015, that number was 593.
- 8:34Host 1: Wow.
- 8:35Host 2: Over an entire decade of technological advancement—
- 8:39Host 2: we have lane assist, automatic braking, endless public awareness campaigns—
- 8:43Host 2: the death toll has dropped by four people.
- 8:46Host 2: A 0.7% decrease in 10 years. How is that physically possible?
- 8:50Host 1: Because public safety initiatives often hit a plateau
- 8:53Host 1: that requires immense political courage to break through.
- 8:57Host 1: In the 90s and 2000s, we picked the low-hanging fruit.
- 9:00Host 1: We mandated seatbelts, we cracked down heavily on drunk driving,
- 9:04Host 1: we improved basic highway guardrails.
- 9:07Host 2: And those worked.
- 9:09Host 1: They did. They caused massive drops in fatalities.
- 9:12Host 1: But the 589 deaths we're seeing now?
- 9:15Host 1: Those are baked into the fundamental design of our infrastructure
- 9:19Host 1: and our deeply ingrained cultural behaviors.
- 9:22Host 2: So to actually get that number down, what would it take?
- 9:26Host 1: It requires completely redesigning urban streets to force cars to drive at 30 kilometers per hour.
- 9:31Host 1: It requires taking space away from vehicles and giving it to pedestrians and cyclists.
- 9:35Host 1: It requires massive automated enforcement—cameras everywhere.
- 9:39Host 2: Which people hate.
- 9:41Host 1: Right. Politically, that is incredibly unpopular.
- 9:44Host 1: People want safety, but they revolt if their daily commute is lengthened by five minutes
- 9:49Host 1: or if they lose their street parking.
- 9:52Host 1: So, the system paralyzes itself.
- 9:54Host 1: We accept nearly 600 deaths a year
- 9:57Host 1: as the unspoken cost of keeping the current transportation system exactly as it is.
- 10:01Host 2: We're paralyzed by our own convenience.
- 10:04Host 2: And it seems we're equally paralyzed on the climate front.
- 10:08Host 2: We recently suffered through three severe heatwaves that resulted in 680 excess deaths.
- 10:13Host 2: Nearly 700 citizens died because the environment simply became too hostile
- 10:17Host 2: to survive in without adequate cooling.
- 10:19Host 1: It's a tragedy.
- 10:21Host 2: Yet, paradoxically, Publico also notes today
- 10:24Host 2: that Portugal's imports of Russian gas have just spiked to 8% of the national total.
- 10:28Host 1: It is the ultimate modern contradiction.
- 10:31Host 2: It's insane. Explain this to me,
- 10:34Host 2: because it feels like we are literally turning up the thermostat
- 10:37Host 2: while our house is actively burning down.
- 10:40Host 2: Why are we buying more fossil fuels,
- 10:42Host 2: specifically from a geopolitically toxic source like Russia, during a lethal heatwave?
- 10:47Host 1: It comes down to the brutal physics of the energy grid.
- 10:50Host 1: When a massive heatwave hits Portugal, two things happen simultaneously.
- 10:54Host 1: First, millions of people turn on their air conditioning,
- 10:57Host 1: causing a massive, immediate spike in electricity demand.
- 11:00Host 2: Okay, that makes sense.
- 11:03Host 1: Second, heatwaves are usually accompanied by severe droughts.
- 11:06Host 1: Portugal relies heavily on hydropower dams for clean energy.
- 11:10Host 1: When it doesn't rain, the dams can't spin the turbines.
- 11:13Host 2: Oh, wow. So demand skyrockets exactly when our baseline clean energy plummets.
- 11:17Host 1: Correct. And while we have great solar capacity,
- 11:20Host 1: the peak demand often hits in the late afternoon and evening as the sun goes down.
- 11:24Host 1: The grid operators have to balance the system second-by-second to prevent blackouts.
- 11:28Host 1: They need power sources that can ramp up instantly to cover the gap.
- 11:32Host 2: And you can't magically build a nuclear plant in an afternoon.
- 11:36Host 1: Exactly. So you turn to natural gas.
- 11:39Host 1: And because global supply chains are incredibly tight right now,
- 11:43Host 1: energy companies buy whatever is available on the spot market to keep the lights on today,
- 11:47Host 1: even if it's Russian liquefied natural gas.
- 11:50Host 1: The immediate need to prevent a total grid collapse overrides the long-term climate goals.
- 11:54Host 2: It's terrifying. We're trapped in this loop
- 11:57Host 2: where the short-term survival mechanism—burning gas—is actively fueling the long-term catastrophe.
- 12:02Host 2: It really highlights how deeply entrenched these legacy systems are.
- 12:06Host 2: We can't just pivot away from them overnight.
- 12:09Host 1: We really can't.
- 12:11Host 1: And actually, that inability to pivot brings us to a massive story
- 12:15Host 1: dominating both Diario de Noticias and Jornal de Noticias today.
- 12:18Host 1: We're moving from the rigidity of the energy grid to the rigidity of agriculture.
- 12:23Host 2: Ah, the crisis in the Douro wine region.
- 12:26Host 2: It is taking up a huge amount of oxygen in the press this morning.
- 12:30Host 1: And it deserves to, because we aren't just talking about a bad weather year
- 12:34Host 1: or a slightly off harvest.
- 12:36Host 1: This is a structural collapse.
- 12:38Host 1: Portugal is producing an ocean of wine that the global market simply does not want to buy.
- 12:42Host 2: The demand just isn't there.
- 12:44Host 1: Producers are dealing with crushed profit margins,
- 12:47Host 1: soaring costs for materials, and a massive global plunge in wine consumption.
- 12:52Host 1: In the Douro, which is arguably our most famous and historic wine region,
- 12:56Host 1: producers are openly calling it a catastrophe.
- 12:59Host 1: They have tons of premium grapes sitting on the vines and absolutely zero buyers.
- 13:03Host 2: The Minister of Agriculture, Jose Manuel Fernandes,
- 13:07Host 2: has come out to say the government is aware and won't ignore the difficulties,
- 13:11Host 2: stating the producer can't be left as the weakest link.
- 13:14Host 2: But political assurances don't solve the underlying math problem.
- 13:18Host 1: It really feels like someone organized this incredibly lavish, expensive banquet.
- 13:22Host 1: They set out the antique silver, they poured the finest decades-old Douro reserves,
- 13:26Host 1: they hired a string quartet... and the guests just never showed up.
- 13:30Host 2: Have consumer habits just fundamentally left them behind?
- 13:33Host 1: Completely. We're watching a generational shift collide with the stubborn reality of biology.
- 13:37Host 1: Globally, younger demographics—Gen Z and Millennials—are drinking significantly less alcohol.
- 13:42Host 2: And when they do drink?
- 13:44Host 1: They're reaching for craft spirits, low-ABV seltzers, or cannabis products.
- 13:48Host 1: Wine is increasingly viewed as an older generation's drink.
- 13:51Host 2: But like, a tech company can just write new code if people stop using their app.
- 13:56Host 2: Why can't the Douro just pivot?
- 13:59Host 1: Because a vineyard is not a software startup.
- 14:02Host 1: You can't push an update to a hillside in the Douro.
- 14:05Host 1: The soil is terraced, rocky, and specifically cultivated over centuries for exactly one thing,
- 14:10Host 1: which is wine grapes.
- 14:12Host 1: When you plant a vine, it takes years before it produces usable fruit,
- 14:16Host 1: and it's meant to yield for decades.
- 14:18Host 1: Families have tied up generations of capital in this specific crop.
- 14:22Host 1: When the global palate shifts in the span of five years,
- 14:26Host 1: traditional agriculture is left completely stranded.
- 14:29Host 1: They're anchored to the earth, producing a premium product for a ghost market.
- 14:33Host 2: It is a devastating reality check for an industry built on tradition.
- 14:37Host 2: But if we want to talk about reality checks,
- 14:39Host 2: we have to look at the crime blotter on today's front pages.
- 14:43Host 2: Because if the Douro is stuck in the past,
- 14:46Host 2: the crime section shows a society that is violently fracturing into completely different centuries.
- 14:51Host 1: The juxtaposition in today's papers is genuinely jarring.
- 14:54Host 2: Let's start with Publico.
- 14:56Host 2: They have a report about a young, self-taught Portuguese individual
- 14:59Host 2: who managed to create a rogue, localized version of ChatGPT.
- 15:03Host 1: Unbelievable.
- 15:05Host 2: They stripped away all the corporate safety guardrails
- 15:08Host 2: and explicitly designed this AI to facilitate cybercrimes,
- 15:11Host 2: likely generating flawless phishing campaigns or writing malicious code.
- 15:15Host 2: This is a teenager operating a borderless, cyberpunk criminal enterprise from a bedroom.
- 15:19Host 1: It's the absolute cutting edge of illicit innovation.
- 15:22Host 2: But then, you turn the page to Jornal de Noticias,
- 15:25Host 2: and it's like stepping into a time machine.
- 15:28Host 2: We have a headline about the 'Al Capone of Leiria.'
- 15:31Host 2: This guy was busted selling counterfeit medicines over in Brazil.
- 15:35Host 2: It is the most classic, analog snake-oil grift imaginable.
- 15:39Host 1: Just a total throwback.
- 15:41Host 2: Right. And on the very same page, there is a story about a youth in Gondomar
- 15:45Host 2: who decided to steal a bunch of gold bars
- 15:49Host 2: and use his mom's family station wagon as the getaway car.
- 15:53Host 1: It sounds like a script for a bad comedy.
- 15:56Host 2: It does. And then Correio da Manha brings it all crashing down
- 15:59Host 2: to a very dark, chaotic reality.
- 16:02Host 2: They cover a tragic, fatal stabbing of a housemate in Lisbon.
- 16:06Host 2: And in another story, where a drug dealer, terrified of the PJ,
- 16:10Host 2: literally threw himself off a balcony in a frantic escape attempt,
- 16:14Host 2: and is now in grave condition.
- 16:16Host 1: Think about what this array of crime tells you about the country.
- 16:20Host 1: Crime is always a mirror of the economy.
- 16:23Host 1: What we're seeing is the extreme stratification of society.
- 16:27Host 2: Two different speeds again.
- 16:29Host 1: Exactly. You have one segment of the population living firmly in the year 2026,
- 16:33Host 1: leveraging highly sophisticated, decentralized AI for complex digital theft.
- 16:37Host 1: And sharing the exact same geography,
- 16:39Host 1: you have people engaging in the most desperate, chaotic, 19th-century forms of survival crime—
- 16:44Host 1: stabbing over rent, stealing physical gold bars, jumping off balconies to avoid arrest.
- 16:49Host 1: It perfectly illustrates how modernization is leaving huge swaths of the population entirely behind.
- 16:53Host 2: The future is here, it's just incredibly unevenly distributed.
- 16:57Host 2: Okay, before we wrap up today's deep dive, we need to cleanse the palate.
- 17:01Host 2: Let's hit the culture and sports pages,
- 17:03Host 2: because despite all the heavy systemic issues, there is still plenty of life happening out there.
- 17:08Host 1: Always good to end on a lighter note.
- 17:11Host 2: It was a massive European night for Portuguese football.
- 17:14Host 2: Correio da Manha and JN are celebrating Benfica absolutely dismantling Hearts with a 6-1 victory.
- 17:19Host 2: Just total domination on the pitch.
- 17:22Host 2: And Sporting Braga ground out a crucial 1-0 win against Dinamo Minsk.
- 17:26Host 1: And Sporting CP is making aggressive moves in the transfer market,
- 17:30Host 1: securing Ioannidis for a cool 15 million euros.
- 17:33Host 1: It's a massive flex of financial muscle
- 17:35Host 1: that shows the top tier of Portuguese football is still highly capitalized.
- 17:39Host 2: For sure. And if you follow cycling, the Volta a Portugal is delivering some serious drama.
- 17:44Host 2: Ricky rider Rui Oliveira is currently wearing the yellow jersey
- 17:48Host 2: after Francisco Campos took the win in a blistering sprint finish.
- 17:52Host 1: A great race.
- 17:53Host 1: Also, a quick heads up for the upcoming soccer season:
- 17:57Host 1: the new league regulations are promising to crack down on time-wasting,
- 18:01Host 1: which means more goals and more active playing time.
- 18:04Host 2: A very necessary push to make the domestic product more entertaining for the fans.
- 18:08Host 2: Over in the culture section, Publico and CM are tracking a logistical nightmare in the making.
- 18:13Host 2: Kanye West is officially bringing his massive ego to the Algarve for a concert.
- 18:17Host 1: I can only imagine the sheer chaos of that production.
- 18:21Host 2: It will be a total circus.
- 18:23Host 2: On a more local note, there is a new biographical movie releasing
- 18:27Host 2: about the beloved Portuguese musician Carlos Paião.
- 18:30Host 2: And in television news, the iconic Herman is returning to our screens.
- 18:34Host 1: Oh, that's fantastic news for comedy fans.
- 18:37Host 2: It really is, though the papers note the irony
- 18:39Host 2: that he's returning just as other major RTP stars are facing severe salary cuts.
- 18:44Host 1: Public broadcasting budgets are clearly tightening their belts across the board.
- 18:48Host 2: Absolutely. And finally, a genuinely beautiful story.
- 18:51Host 2: The famous paper flower streets are returning to Campo Maior.
- 18:54Host 2: If you have never seen this, entire streets are canopy-covered
- 18:57Host 2: in millions of meticulously handmade paper flowers.
- 19:00Host 2: It is an incredible display of community art and patience.
- 19:04Host 1: It's a wonderful reminder of the cultural bedrock and community spirit
- 19:08Host 1: that manages to persist, regardless of all the political or economic turbulence going on above it.
- 19:13Host 2: It really is. And that covers the major headlines for today.
- 19:16Host 2: Thank you for making us part of your morning
- 19:19Host 2: and joining this deep dive into the front pages for August 7th.
- 19:23Host 1: Before you close the app and go about your Friday,
- 19:26Host 1: I want you to consider the deeply fractured picture we've painted today.
- 19:30Host 1: We're looking at a country where a teenager can build rogue AI
- 19:33Host 1: and football clubs can casually drop 15 million euros on a single player,
- 19:37Host 1: existing in the exact same space as farmers watching their legacy grapes rot with no buyers,
- 19:42Host 1: and a society that hasn't figured out how to save a single extra life
- 19:46Host 1: on its roads in 10 years.
- 19:49Host 2: It's quite the contrast.
- 19:51Host 1: It is. But here is the real question:
- 19:54Host 1: Is this two-speed society uniquely Portuguese?
- 19:57Host 1: Or are we just looking at an early, hyper-visible preview of the economic whiplash
- 20:02Host 1: that every developed nation on Earth is about to face?
- 20:05Host 1: As the AI era accelerates the top tier of the economy into the stratosphere,
- 20:10Host 1: what happens to the analog world left anchored to the soil?
- 20:13Host 1: Something to chew on this weekend.