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Instant Reaction: Tigs Let Slip A.L. Wild Card Game 2 · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Ballo Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm curiously
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  Speaker 1: with me as always a man who you know when
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  Speaker 1: you say same old story, Well, this is the guy
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  Speaker 1: that has to write the same old story. He is
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  Speaker 1: Cody Stavenagg. And how you doing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm doing well. I've watched some
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  Speaker 2: bad baseball games over the past month or so.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: This was actually a very good, well played baseball game
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  Speaker 2: for the most part, but another one that had a
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  Speaker 2: pretty brutal feeling to it. If you're watching from any
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  Speaker 2: sort of Tigers perspective, they just they haven't scored more
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  Speaker 2: than five runs in a game since September tenth against
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  Speaker 2: the Yankees.
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  Speaker 3: Like the offense.
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  Speaker 2: I talked about it after Game one, the bats have
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  Speaker 2: to wake up, and I.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of thought they were. I was like, I just
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  Speaker 3: think these guys are due.
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  Speaker 2: Those bats didn't wake up, man, and they were sound
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  Speaker 2: asleep for the most part. I mean, I guess you
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  Speaker 2: got fifteen guys on base, you left a lot of
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  Speaker 2: opportunities on the table, a lot of empty at bats
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  Speaker 2: once again, and he had your rookie pitcher that you've
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  Speaker 2: asked a lot of let you down in the in
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  Speaker 2: the eighth inning, and it felt a little bit like
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  Speaker 2: a dagger was certainly a dagger for Game two. I
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  Speaker 2: guess Game three will be a new day. But watching
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  Speaker 2: this team play for the better part of a month,
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  Speaker 2: it's this feels like we went back in time a
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  Speaker 2: week and it was like, I don't know if the
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  Speaker 2: Tigers are ever gonna win again, Like it just doesn't
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  Speaker 2: feel like the same team. I'm not gonna walk out
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  Speaker 2: of the park here in a little bit with uh,
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  Speaker 2: just with a good feeling about this game and about
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  Speaker 2: the vibe of the team.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously Tigers lose six to one. Put the score
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  Speaker 1: in there in the first couple of minutes of the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: So Game three will be Thursday and winner take all.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in sort of like the law
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  Speaker 1: of averages and and and and it's like, look, you
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  Speaker 1: get enough, you get enough guys on base, like the
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  Speaker 1: law of averages, say that you are going to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: convert those base runners into runs. Of course, I've been
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  Speaker 1: saying that now for the you know, the better part.
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  Speaker 2: Turned back to last year's Alds when the Tigers were
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  Speaker 2: four for forty.
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  Speaker 3: Two with the runners in scoring positions.
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  Speaker 1: Like I tend to think that that stuff tent like
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  Speaker 1: is random.
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  Speaker 2: But the Tigers were good. They were tenth in average
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  Speaker 2: with thunders in scoring position and sixth in ops in
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  Speaker 2: the regular season. They're pretty bad in September, but for
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  Speaker 2: five months they were great in those situations.
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  Speaker 1: Not great, good, well, okay, So one for fifteen today
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  Speaker 1: with runners in scoring position, let me let me just
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  Speaker 1: read off how everybody did Baia's one for one. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about that particular play here in a second. Jamai Jones,
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  Speaker 1: oh for one. We'll talk about that play in a
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  Speaker 1: in a second. Meadows oh for two, Perez, oh for three,
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  Speaker 1: Riley Green, oh for two, Carpenter, OH for two, Dingler,
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  Speaker 1: oh for one, Tortle sent over two, and then Malloy
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  Speaker 1: at the end there oh for one. That is barutal.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's okay. So Meadows, leadoff hitter, oh for two, Perez,
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  Speaker 1: middle of the order guy ish over three, Green all
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  Speaker 1: star oh for two, Carpenter, who is actually hitting in
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  Speaker 1: this series, but oh for two with runners in the
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  Speaker 1: score position today.
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  Speaker 3: That first sinning was just killer. Carp actually gave you
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  Speaker 3: a good a bad battles a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, toworks at that was just with Riley similar, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was awful if you because again, there was an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to turn this game into like a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a copy, maybe an enhanced version of Game one. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and you would take it every single time, circumstantially with
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  Speaker 1: you have runners on first and second and yeah, Guardians.
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  Speaker 3: Gifted you two base runners.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yep, and and and and in certain situations, situations
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  Speaker 1: not just K's but non competitive case with runners in
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  Speaker 1: scoring position today, Cody, in addition to the one for
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  Speaker 1: fifteen and in the series, they're two for twenty three
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  Speaker 1: seven strikeouts with runners in scoring position seven.
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  Speaker 3: That's bad.
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  Speaker 1: The Guardians were only two for like I say, only
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  Speaker 1: they were two for three, they only had three had
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  Speaker 1: pats with the runners in scoring positions. They win this
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  Speaker 1: game six to one. It just it defines explanation because
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  Speaker 1: again I'm a big believer. It is just like keep
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  Speaker 1: pounding the rock, keep pounding the rock, keep riving the pump,
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  Speaker 1: like all these like you know, metaphors or whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: eventually it you know, the well is going to burst.
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  Speaker 1: But we haven't seen that since you know, really like
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Tigers were in the Bronx like a well,
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  Speaker 1: bursting for them offensively. So I don't know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what to what to make of that. I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if even someone as smart as AJ
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  Speaker 1: or guys on the team have an explanation for that,
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  Speaker 1: because it just it just keeps happening over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over, and.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing there hasn't been more of a
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  Speaker 2: concession to just put the ball in play.
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  Speaker 3: There's one guy who's done that.
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  Speaker 2: His name's Hobby or by its is having quality at bats,
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  Speaker 2: fighting and at bats conceding to slap a ball.
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  Speaker 3: The other way or hit something hard on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not a big like yo you need to
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  Speaker 2: choke up and poke it the other way type guy,
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  Speaker 2: but with runners on base, you do have to play
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  Speaker 2: the game a little bit. And so the Tiger's core
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  Speaker 2: hitters have seemed either unwilling or just incapable of doing
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  Speaker 2: that for for more than a month now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Hobby, by the way, is four for seven uh
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  Speaker 1: in in in this series and as consistently came up big,
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  Speaker 1: including in that fourth ending with the single. He obviously
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  Speaker 1: hands up on second base. It doesn't matter because mcintrey's
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  Speaker 1: out at third, and that cost the Tigers a run
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  Speaker 1: because Dingler had not crossed the plate yet and all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. I guess we can just kind of get
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  Speaker 1: into that now, because that was that completely changed the
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  Speaker 1: complexion of the game. Was the fact that your i
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  Speaker 1: would say, best horse when it comes to base running
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  Speaker 1: ability and a guy that you would trust the most
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  Speaker 1: in Zach McKinstry first to third on a single like
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  Speaker 1: that's automatic. Yeah, it was the left center and you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was a good play, but the fact that he
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  Speaker 1: was out by a matter of inches turned out to
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  Speaker 1: be a magnitude of a difference because it costs you
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  Speaker 1: a run and then you know, you know, the review
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  Speaker 1: and and all that stuff. I mean was kind of
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  Speaker 1: crazy going back and looking at that replay. Is that
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  Speaker 1: normally when a guy is there's a play at a
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  Speaker 1: base and a guy is out or safe or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and they think the call is wrong, the person immediately
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  Speaker 1: kind of like calls for the you know, the headset
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  Speaker 1: or whatever to the dugout. Jose Ramiers didn't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Like Jose was just kind of like, you know, keeping
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  Speaker 1: the ball and just kind of making sure, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like the play was dead and then vote comes out
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  Speaker 1: and he like makes sure the umpires know exactly what
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  Speaker 1: he's challenging and all the ram vocations of of what
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  Speaker 1: an out would be there. And it was a long review.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was. It was one of those reviews
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  Speaker 1: that was like, if if it's taking this long, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure you can get a good angle. But it
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  Speaker 1: turned out obviously they got it right, you know, both
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  Speaker 1: ways they got it right. But uh, just brutal because
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  Speaker 1: I completely completely can changes the complexion of the game.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the Tigers doing Tigers things, Cody and and
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  Speaker 1: and the guys you rely on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there are a lot of people saying
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  Speaker 2: it was a critical mistake, dumb bass running can't make
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  Speaker 2: the last out of third, I don't. This is how
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  Speaker 2: the team's played all year. Zach mckinstree has been the
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  Speaker 2: best in baseball at it. Chase the Latter made a
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  Speaker 2: really good throw man. It was ninety two miles an hour.
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  Speaker 3: It was on the money.
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  Speaker 2: Looking at the replays, mckinstrey, you know, was a couple
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  Speaker 2: steps off second. When de Latter got that ball, he
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  Speaker 2: had to gun it and he did. I think unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: it stings more in a big spot, and it stings
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  Speaker 2: a lot more in the playoffs. But I think you
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  Speaker 2: can live with that, you know, when that's your identity
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  Speaker 2: and that's your mentality. Looking at the replay, man, I
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  Speaker 2: kind of thought they were gonna go with cal Stans.
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  Speaker 3: It was so close.
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  Speaker 2: Call stands something we've been talking about since opening day.
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  Speaker 2: But for anyone who thinks the umps hoosed the Tigers,
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  Speaker 2: Zach McKinstry said he looked at the replay and thought
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  Speaker 2: he was out. So that's coming from the guy himself.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you can blame this on the umps.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you can blame Zach McKinstry or Joey Kora.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think the rookie who gifted you a
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  Speaker 2: base runner in the first inning and you didn't do
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  Speaker 2: anything with it, then made a big play and just
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  Speaker 2: won the competition.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a hat tip moment for him right there,
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  Speaker 1: for sure. All right, we are going to take a
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  Speaker 1: quick break and then afterward we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here. You know, sometimes Aj is
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  Speaker 1: in his bag, and he definitely managed this game like
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  Speaker 1: a pretty much gotta have it, not a gotta gotta
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  Speaker 1: have it, but pretty much gotta have a game from
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  Speaker 1: from Jump Street. And you know, the my decision to
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  Speaker 1: take him out after what sixty one pitches, it was
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: part of it, but also pinch hitting in the seventh inning,
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  Speaker 1: So just to recap labor Torres gets hit by a pitch,
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  Speaker 1: carry Carpenter singles Torres. The third Torgosen flies out and
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  Speaker 1: it was a short, you know, flyout, kind of misleading.
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  Speaker 1: It was a shallow fly ball. And then the guardians
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  Speaker 1: bring in Aaron and then aj Hinch decides, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to take out Riley Green, my my All Stars starting
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  Speaker 1: left fielder. Guy. I seldom pinch hit four in any situation,
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  Speaker 1: if at all, for Jamia Jones, who admittedly is quite hot.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll just tell you what I was thinking, at
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  Speaker 1: the time, Cody I was not a fan. I was
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: not a fan of pinch hitting for Riley Green. I like,
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  Speaker 1: I understand the lefty lefty thing. I understand that Riley
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: is zero for seven in his career against that particular pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: He does have two walks that's forever that's worth, and
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  Speaker 1: only a six twenty ops against lefties this year. I
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  Speaker 1: understand all of that. My thing was it was too
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  Speaker 1: early in the game to make that move because like,
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  Speaker 1: if you're thinking it's going to be a close game,
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: that guy is gonna come around the lineup again, right,
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  Speaker 1: And it actually did end up happening. It also burned
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  Speaker 1: two guys off your bench with moving McKinstry to left
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  Speaker 1: field and bringing in Andy A Bonyez who didn't even
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  Speaker 1: bat today. Uh you know, surprisingly probably the most India
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  Speaker 1: Banya has ever played in a baseball game without getting
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  Speaker 1: in that bat. But I understand why he did it.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of those moves that, had it worked out,
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  Speaker 1: he would look like a freaking genius. And you, you
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  Speaker 1: and I have been very much aboard the do we
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  Speaker 1: realize how good Jamai Jones has been like trained like
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  Speaker 1: like so like it's not like we're anti Jones guys
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  Speaker 1: here in that situation with that particular player, Rodley Green,
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm sticking I'm sticking with my guy in
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  Speaker 1: that situation. Maybe I'm wrong, but that that was why
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  Speaker 1: I thought at the time, and I would still think
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  Speaker 1: it had it worked out, but you know.
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  Speaker 2: It just it just didn't. It just didn't. I liked
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  Speaker 2: the decision. I thought aj Hinch managed a fantastic game.
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  Speaker 2: He was aggressive, he wanted to win today. He made
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  Speaker 2: the move for Holton early it worked out. I actually
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  Speaker 2: think he hoped Stephen Vote would burn some of his
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  Speaker 2: right handed hitters off the bench, which would then set
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  Speaker 2: him up better for Finnegan vest or our friend Troy
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  Speaker 2: Melton at the end of the game. It didn't work
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  Speaker 2: out that way, which you know, he forced pressure on
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Vote. If you're not going to go to your bench,
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  Speaker 2: all right, your lefties, he's got to face Holton then
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  Speaker 2: he's going to mow him down. I think Riley Green
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  Speaker 2: deserved to be a pin ship for I mean just
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  Speaker 2: by the numbers he did as ops has fallen to
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  Speaker 2: I think six forty against left handed pitching. The reason
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  Speaker 2: Riley Green has never been pinch shipped for in a
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  Speaker 2: situation like that, is supposed to be your best player.
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  Speaker 2: He's supposed to be a good hitter, supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: able to handle lefties. Well, he's not really handled lefties
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  Speaker 2: this year, and he's not handled them. Or we're come
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  Speaker 2: through in big moments at all for you lately, A
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  Speaker 2: j has really wanted a ball in play, which has
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  Speaker 2: been the opposite of what Riley Green has given you.
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  Speaker 2: Riley's He's showed a lot of faith without through a
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  Speaker 2: lot of faith in Riley through a really difficult period.
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  Speaker 2: But here when it mattered most, there's no guarantee you're
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  Speaker 2: going to get another shot at him. Runners on first
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  Speaker 2: and third one out. Aj sh said, we had to
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  Speaker 2: take our shot. The math supports given Jamaid at bat there,
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  Speaker 2: it's still a big move. It's a full sind because
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  Speaker 2: you're you're sending a message, all right, this guy, who's
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  Speaker 2: the closest thing we have to a franchise player, he's
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  Speaker 2: not immune to getting pinch shit for like it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was a little bit of a statement spoke to
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  Speaker 2: also just to his desperation and the Tigers desperation for
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  Speaker 2: runs because this lineup is not produced and forever. I
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  Speaker 2: had no problem with the decision, and in fact, I've
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  Speaker 2: seen a decision like this before. I get why it's controversial.
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  Speaker 2: I get why it's talking point I asked aj I
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  Speaker 2: think two different questions about it postgame because it's a
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  Speaker 2: big story. But I think the move made all the
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  Speaker 2: sense in the world. There's a little risk of, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have Riley for the rest of the game.
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  Speaker 2: But given how this series with Cleveland has gone, given
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  Speaker 2: it to the playoffs, I fully sport the decision.
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  Speaker 1: Would you have done that in the sixth inning, the
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  Speaker 1: fifth inning, the fourth inning?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not the fourth sixth you know, do you guarantee
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  Speaker 2: the order rolls around one more time? Six seven, eight,
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  Speaker 2: So probably not at the seventh. There's no guarantee that
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  Speaker 2: that it back comes back around. So I think that
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  Speaker 2: was an appropriate, appropriate time to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's also I'm looking at the stats right now.
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  Speaker 1: Does Riley lead the team in extra base hits in
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  Speaker 1: these two games? He's got two doubles? He probably so
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  Speaker 1: probably It's not like he hasn't been hitting this series.
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  Speaker 1: Like I like, I get I get it. I like
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  Speaker 1: the math is the math on that one? Like so
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  Speaker 1: like this is this is me kind of coming at
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  Speaker 1: it from an L perspective, like the math supports that decision.
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  Speaker 3: I trying to win the game.
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  Speaker 2: Riley hasn't been like even going with the feel like
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  Speaker 2: he had a double against a righty, but Rightley just
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  Speaker 2: has not been good.
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  Speaker 3: And he strikes out more than anyone in baseball, if
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  Speaker 3: I get it.
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  Speaker 2: Riley's his credit after the game said the right things.
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  Speaker 2: I asked him, what did you think? He said, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't think anything, which whatever, but he said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I fully trust AJ. I fully you know, I trust
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  Speaker 2: its decisions. We're all We're all all in. That doesn't
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  Speaker 2: stop with anybody. I asked AJ, like, Hey, are you
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  Speaker 2: going to have to talk to Riley about this just
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  Speaker 2: because you haven't done it before? And he said no,
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  Speaker 2: He said, this is basically how our team operates. All
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  Speaker 2: our guys know that said, Riley will be in there tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: If I happen to see him, maybe I'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: But he didn't think it was important to UH to
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  Speaker 2: bring it up, which I actually wonder if that's true,
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  Speaker 2: because that that's the down that's like the downstream effect
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  Speaker 2: that some MAJ talks about the downstream effect of this
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  Speaker 2: is like I think that's it sends a message to
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  Speaker 2: Riley Green also that like you got to get it together,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: but you're not just guaranteed these at bats. You're not
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: the franchise player because you haven't quite performed like a
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: franchise player against both sides, both sided pitching. I hope
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: it doesn't shake Riley's confidence, because it could.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: It could it.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Could do that, or it could be a wake up call.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I think that I think he should probably have a
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: conversation with Riley about it, just to you know, explain
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: it even, you know, reiterate faith in Riley, Like it
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: can be a positive conversation. But I do think it
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: needs to be addressed, and I wouldn't be shocked if
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: it does get addressed.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't see all of post game stuff. Do you
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: think Vote thought that was gonna happen.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I wasn't there for Vote, and I haven't looked at
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: what he said yet because I've been doing a million
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: other things.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: So if I if I'm Stephen Vote, I would be surprised.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, it looked like a freaking.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Jami Jones was surprised.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you look like a freaking genius. If Jami,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: you know, gets a base hit or better, you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: like that's that's that's baseball, that's playoff baseball. I understand
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: all that. I'm again, I'm coming from the losing perspective here,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: but I would stick with my guy there.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I won't talk about I won't talk about
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Melton in the eighth.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: That was the one decision. I don't think it's a J.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Hinch's fault. I think it's Scott Ayris's fault.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: It's like, just don't have the back end reliever that
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: they need, Like, and you did a couple of things,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: but you didn't do enough. And now you're hearing the
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: playoffs and you already used Finnigan and AJ wanted to
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: pitch vest with the lead or in the ninth, and
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: so it's like, all right, who else you got answers?
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: You don't really have anyone that you fully trust. Could
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: have been Rafael Montero. AJ hasn't really been pitching him
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: in leverage. You don't trust so many walks, too many guys.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Brent Herder was a lefty. I think AJ didn't want
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: to run the risk of some kinshitting going on, there
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: would be my guess felt better against Melton against their
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: lefties than Herder against their right e's.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: But I don't know.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Melton has not been great against lefties since coming to
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: the big leagues. This kid biggest moment of his life.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: This team has asked a ton out of him. He's
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: thrown more innings than he ever has in his life.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I think it just kind of sucks that he got
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: put in that spot, and it kind of sucks that
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: aj Hinch didn't have a clear better option, so he
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: went with the dude who has the best stuff and
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: it didn't work out. The O two pitch Rochio was horrible.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: But I asked Milton where he's trying to put it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: He said middle in, and it kind of was. It
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: was just a little more over the plate. And I
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: looked at Roki, like Rokio's hot zones from the left side,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: he kills pitches middle in. So I guess that's what
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Dylan Dingler like, especially OH two, like if it evens
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: to two to two or something, and that's where you
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: want to take your shot.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: But why not go above the zone?
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: You know, first two pitches were breaking ball or breaking
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: ball off speed. I think fastball above the zone, tried
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to get a chase there would make sense middle in
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: when O two I have a I think that was
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a critical mistake and maybe it didn't matter as much
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: because then the floodgates open.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Milton just didn't really have it.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: So talking about miss chances, Tigers had a chance to
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: compose their roster better.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: They didn't do that. Now you're paying for it and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: getting too for a playoff series.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Right Yeah. And then also in regards to the floodgates
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: getting open, and again, like we talked about like the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: law of averages here, and like the part of the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: whole moniker of guards Ball is just like these you know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: kind of going against what mathematically seems most likely and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Bo Naylor having a home run off Herder. Herder had
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: not given up a home run to a lefty all year. Wow,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: like that and and that's the game. I mean, you know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: they're obviously already behind, but like that's game game, you
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's over after that. So
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: spinning it forward here, like if there's a slight silver lining,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: it's that they the Guardians went to Hunter Gaddis again,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: who pitched twenty Yeah, twenty pitches. That's thirty nine you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: in two days. And then Kate Smith got like a
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: little bit of an extended run. He had thirty one pitches.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: That's fifty in two days. I assume both these guys
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: will be available you know, tomorrow, but it is I'm
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: just kind of updating the workload a little bit on
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you know, their their biggest pieces there, and they were
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: able to kind of get to Gaddus a little bit.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: And then Smith, you know, was able. You know, it's
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: like he got he got it done or whatever. But
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: they were able to do some things against Smith where
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: they typically don't. So just like for for for the record,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: their game of situation obviously matters. But Jack Flaherty going
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: in Game three, I wish, I wish I felt better
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: about that slave se Cone Uh, I don't know. Again,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: as I said before the series, is what the money's for, Jack,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Like you were signed like you were signed you were
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: last year, You were traded for by the team that
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: ended up winning the World Series to be able to
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: use in moments like this and and you were signed
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: here for that purpose as well. So we'll see.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think AJ will be again aggressive with the
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: pullpen Jack can give you. You know, three or four
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: good innings, you'll take it. Thing that he can just
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: be so prone to blow up some times that I'm
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: a little nervous silver lining your face and a lineup
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: that still is really bad, So don't mess up. It
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: can be another low scoring game. You're gonna have to
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: hit the ball. That's probably what it comes down to.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Get a few quality innings from Jack Flaherty and hit
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the baseball. Win runners are on second base, like, if
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you do that, you have a chance to win advance.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Some of this as will dissipate if you win a
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: playoff series. But Game two this was a tough one
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: for the Tigers, no way around it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very true. Any other topics or storylines you want
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to get into.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: What are we missing? There's probably there's so much happened today.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Man spinster Torksen got an X ray on his foot
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: after the game. He fouled the ball off his foot,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: which I didn't even see. It wasn't the ball that
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: hit him in the hand or wrist. X ray was negative,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: so I guess that's good. But didn't find out about
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: that until after a J. Hinchtock, So I have to
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: see if that could limit his availability at all, which
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: would certainly be a concern even though Torque did not
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: have a good game, So that's something to keep an
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: eye on. I think that's about all I got for now.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we will be there and be here
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: to react to Game three, the final of the American
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: League Wildcard Series between the Cleveland Guardians and the Detroit Tigers.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And again, you can follow us on YouTube and Instagram
• 24:24
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• 24:27
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• 24:32
  Speaker 1: It's all on the line tomorrow and it's gonna, you know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: a chapter in history will be written tomorrow. I'm excited
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to watch it. I'm excited to talk about it with you,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Cody afterward, and I hope everybody is able to appreciate
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: what we're watching, which is two teams that really play
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: this game hard and smart, and we'll see what happens.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So for Cody Stavenhagen, I'm Kieren Steckley. Everybody, have a
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: great day.