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🍊 RHOC "Significantly Successful Liars" · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Drama Darling Drama Darling Drama Darling.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, welcome in to Drama Darling. I'm your dramatic
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  Speaker 2: host and Amy Phillips that's the name, and anyway, I'm
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  Speaker 2: being joined by two crazy gals, Deanna Chang and Emily
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  Speaker 2: Theresa's Hi ladies, Hi Amy, welcome in.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you egg.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, I'm just protecting my office
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  Speaker 2: right now. So if you're seeing any egg dripping down,
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  Speaker 2: it's just misprotecting this, you know, just protect myself. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you for asking him being concerned. It's great. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: you enjoyed it, and I hope you love it so
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  Speaker 2: much because next week we're coming back for the last
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  Speaker 2: four or five episodes. And anyway, so let's welcome ourselves
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  Speaker 2: into this crazy episode of Orange County. Holy smokes, ladies.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're we're gonna just just we're just gonna
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  Speaker 2: jump right in and I'm just gonna say, right off
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  Speaker 2: the bat, what the hell is going on? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: what can we believe? What? Who are we? And who
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  Speaker 2: are who are they? Who are these people? And here
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  Speaker 2: we are landing on a lie detector test. You'll tell
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  Speaker 2: me the truth that.
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  Speaker 3: The most important thing is we got to welcome in
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  Speaker 3: at the top Ford's birthday. Yeah, Oh I.
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  Speaker 2: Got I missed it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, got to welcome in from the server at the
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  Speaker 3: table right into a guacamole request.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't know the restaurant because they don't say that anymore.
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  Speaker 3: They got, but we did get a welcome in.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic and a Marilyn Monroe welcoming in the.
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  Speaker 4: Way he received that, Marilyn, I can tell us professional
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  Speaker 4: we hate it?
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  Speaker 5: Do we love it?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 4: He was like the look on his face as he
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  Speaker 4: was being sung upon was just.
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  Speaker 5: Hard to know. And then Ethan, I don't know where
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  Speaker 5: she came from.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I read that as he undressed her with his
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  Speaker 2: eyes immediately that's how that's the look I saw on
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  Speaker 2: his face. He quickly, Yeah, he's he's alive. Man.
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  Speaker 3: I read it as Oh, I think Gene hooked up
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  Speaker 3: with Marilyn and he's confused. He thought she had passed,
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  Speaker 3: but here she is.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah that actually might have been.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, same age happening.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, is this is this a ghost?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Mars, he may have hooked up with just another
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  Speaker 2: Maryland impersonator at some point on Hollywood Boulevard. Right, what
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  Speaker 2: a nice what a great way to start the episode,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just with a light Jean machine, because you know,
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  Speaker 2: we ended up going somewhere at the end that we
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  Speaker 2: all knew was ahead of us. But boy, oh boy,
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  Speaker 2: yeah he does look great, incredible, and he's like in
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  Speaker 2: his nineties.
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  Speaker 3: Ninety seven No, I mean ninety seventh birthday ninety I.
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  Speaker 2: Thought that was a joke.
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  Speaker 3: No, we always see him for his birthdays and he's
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  Speaker 3: been in his nineties for a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I mean I thought he was like maybe ninety one,
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  Speaker 2: But I thought he made a joke about being like
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  Speaker 2: ninety seven. Because but that doesn't seem like much of
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  Speaker 2: a joke. You'd think you'd want to go higher, right,
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  Speaker 2: So wow, you guys.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so you don't talk up like a few years, right,
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  Speaker 4: you don't joke up a few years, choke it up.
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  Speaker 2: You got to joke it up a decade up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: joke it up, Jean Machine joke it up. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: Shannon being like I ran into a young lady who
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  Speaker 2: said they they said that. Gee. A man named Jean
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  Speaker 2: Machine said, don't leave. I'll take care of you, dad, Dad,
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  Speaker 2: I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 5: Her hair was sorted. She got you now she got
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  Speaker 5: which was great.
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  Speaker 2: Weight of the cast trip. We're back. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was okay. I mean, I mean it's okay. Now
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  Speaker 2: it's everybody's okay, okay, everybody. Has Shannon's hair been marked safe?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it was marks able though it did like, oh.
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  Speaker 5: Gosh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we finally get to lunch with Kiki Monique. Welcome
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  Speaker 2: in Kiki Monique looking gorgeous, sitting down with Gretchen and
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  Speaker 2: her her support housewife, Gina. Yes, everyone needs a support housewife. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And here we are with like Kiki laying it out
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  Speaker 2: there saying that Katie said to her that she went
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  Speaker 2: to dinner with Gretchen and said, and Gretchen said the
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  Speaker 2: night of Naked Wasted, that Gretchen was drugged and had
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  Speaker 2: to go to the hospital. So she said that is
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  Speaker 2: what she heard from kt Now. She also said Gina
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  Speaker 2: was a topic too, And then we get into the
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  Speaker 2: hole that legid accusation that Gina said is that an
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  Speaker 2: Asian designer. And of course we get the explanation from Gina,
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  Speaker 2: which is that Katie wanted to showcase Asian designers and
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  Speaker 2: then she eventually got two stylists and then every time
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  Speaker 2: she would show up wearing not Asian designers, and so
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  Speaker 2: she was being sarcastic about it and trying to call
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  Speaker 2: Katie out for that. So now the GENA stuff aside,
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  Speaker 2: it seemed like, before we move on from the GENA stuff,
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  Speaker 2: it seemed like an explanation from Gina that she was
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  Speaker 2: calling out Katie. Everybody satisfied with that. It seemed like
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  Speaker 2: it made sense.
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  Speaker 3: To me, it seemed like it made sense. I'm not Katie.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how it hit Katie, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean in that right, in that way. So it's
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  Speaker 3: hard for me to be like, oh, it's fine, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to take a pass on that because it could
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  Speaker 3: have really hit in a way I would not understand.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's true. That's a really good point. And they've
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  Speaker 2: never had a conversation about it, which is a true
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  Speaker 2: bummer because you'd think that, you know, they would talk
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  Speaker 2: about if it was something that was really that hurt Katie.
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  Speaker 2: You think that she'd want to go to her and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: that came off like really really offensive, So can you
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  Speaker 2: speak on that, you know, And so they didn't, and
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  Speaker 2: this was off camera, and then we saw that on
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was on camera. Actually we just saw
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  Speaker 2: the footage and Jen was like, oh okay, and she
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  Speaker 2: didn't really seem to have any kind of absorption over
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  Speaker 2: it either, so it was a kind of left aside anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So Keiky was sitting on that information as well because
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  Speaker 2: she wasn't sure if that was Katie's you know, motive
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  Speaker 2: to put that out into the universe, you know. So
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  Speaker 2: that was interesting to hear. Now Here we have like
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  Speaker 2: Gretchen responding to what Keiki was saying the same way
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  Speaker 2: she responded to Tamra in New Orleans, which is the
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  Speaker 2: lean in the mouth a gape, and like what, I
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  Speaker 2: can't believe she said that, and then she goes on, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's like she had the same response, and I'm just
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  Speaker 2: trying to like really get detailed because she was doing
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  Speaker 2: everything she kind of did in New Orleans, which is
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  Speaker 2: not saying over and over again, I absolutely did not
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  Speaker 2: say that even though she has said that before, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, So I just I kind of left there going.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of still think that Gretchen said that about Tamra.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, you guys, I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know either, because then you get cut to
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  Speaker 3: the end with the lie detector. But like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: where do you land right.
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  Speaker 5: Same, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: And I said that to me, like I left there going,
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  Speaker 4: I said, I don't know what to tell me what
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  Speaker 4: to feel because I'm not sure what I feel. In
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  Speaker 4: terms of that dinner. There's a lot of people at
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  Speaker 4: that dinner.
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  Speaker 2: Right right, Jen was there. All the spouses or partners
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  Speaker 2: were there.
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  Speaker 4: We've already had confirmation from Matt that that happened. I
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  Speaker 4: find him to be very credible, and so then we
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  Speaker 4: have Jen who seems to be caught in something right now.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But I also thought, my god, Katie blew that lie
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  Speaker 4: detector test every which way from Sunday or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Gretchen passed it with flying colors.
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  Speaker 3: Because I think we're talking about two different topics. We're
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  Speaker 3: talking one. Did Gretchen say these things? That's one thing.
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  Speaker 3: Figure out Two, did Katie talk to Kiki Monique. That's
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  Speaker 3: the second category.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, because's not going to come in.
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  Speaker 4: I believe that I've never seen someone not want to
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  Speaker 4: be on a reality show.
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  Speaker 2: More like she's like, yeah, I kind of been trying
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  Speaker 2: to avoid this kind of thing, but I'm here to
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  Speaker 2: clear my name.
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  Speaker 4: The last place I want to be yea last give
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  Speaker 4: me water.
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  Speaker 6: But I think Katy, She's like, give me a double right,
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  Speaker 6: she had a Yeah, she did have that glass of
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  Speaker 6: wine at ten am, which I don't think is normal
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  Speaker 6: for Kiki, but would be absolutely normal.
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  Speaker 2: In under the circumstances. I would have had three before going.
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  Speaker 2: Yet No, So yeah, you're you're right. I mean, obviously
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  Speaker 2: there's two different points. And and so that's where like
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  Speaker 2: last week, I was like, everybody's lying. Jen is lying
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  Speaker 2: about not knowing, Gretchen is lying about not telling Katie,
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  Speaker 2: and Katie is lying about not saying this to Kiki.
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  Speaker 2: So this week we know that Katie lied about not
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  Speaker 2: telling Kiki. Okay, she's out on that firm confirmed. Put
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  Speaker 2: it aside, decide.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, let's just say one thing.
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  Speaker 4: Is there just is there a world in which Kiki
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  Speaker 4: Monique is lying?
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  Speaker 5: I'm just asking.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I absolutely don't think so.
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  Speaker 5: Me neither.
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  Speaker 2: So but I mean, thank you for asking. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we've got to look at all angles, and I mean
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  Speaker 2: I think we land on. No, that's that's not okay.
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  Speaker 2: So she believe her.
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  Speaker 3: If this is a court, I would I and I'm
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  Speaker 3: Gretchen's attorney or Katie's attorney, I would bring that up
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  Speaker 3: and I would try to argue that in their defense,
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  Speaker 3: like you can't. But I just there's absolutely no way
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  Speaker 3: I just don't have any proof for that the Kiki
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  Speaker 3: would be lying. There's no way she would be lying.
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  Speaker 2: Well, another reason why you believe that she wouldn't lie
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  Speaker 2: is because she gets information all the time and sits
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  Speaker 2: on probably most of it like me. And so that's
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  Speaker 2: the whole point is that that's a trustworthy person and
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  Speaker 2: why she went to other people to say this is
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  Speaker 2: really bad, like this is out there just to heads up,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So that's why I really do believe her. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So we can put that we all agree, right, Yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's the side. Now Katie lied, So Katie lied about that.
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  Speaker 2: Now is Gretchen lying about saying that at that dinner?
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  Speaker 2: And is Jen lying about saying that that didn't happen,
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  Speaker 2: because Katie is saying Jen even knows.
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  Speaker 3: And the hospital because Gretchen passed that in the lie
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  Speaker 3: detector test, that she did not go to the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: Right, which is bound hers because we saw with our
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  Speaker 2: own eyes in that car she whispered that she went
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  Speaker 2: she was so sick.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there's a world in which that was the truth,
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  Speaker 4: that she didn't go. But she was lying about it
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  Speaker 4: to make the situation sound worse to Tamra, to the
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  Speaker 4: to the girls, Katie and to Jen, not to Tama.
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  Speaker 2: But she told she went, right, No, But and.
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  Speaker 4: We're assuming she told and Jen if that's what happened, right,
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  Speaker 4: she told Katie and Jen I went to the hospital.
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  Speaker 5: They can confirm that.
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  Speaker 4: So in front of Tamra, she's saying, well, I went
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  Speaker 4: the next day or I did go to the hospital
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  Speaker 4: the next morning.
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  Speaker 5: But is that a lie?
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  Speaker 4: And if it's a lie, then her saying no would
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  Speaker 4: be truthful.
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  Speaker 5: Do you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: I get it, I get it, Okay, Yes, So it's
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  Speaker 3: basically like she exaggerated to not she maintained an exaggeration
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  Speaker 3: that she told at that dinner that she had to
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  Speaker 3: go to the hospital, and then when that might have
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  Speaker 3: been her hesitation in the car with Jen and Tamara,
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  Speaker 3: when she was like.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was Tamara and Shannon.
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  Speaker 3: Tamar and Shannon that she said it to. Gretchen said
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  Speaker 3: it in the car on the girl's trip, and she
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  Speaker 3: was weirdly hesitant about saying it right. So then now
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  Speaker 3: that she's been asked on the lie detector, she never
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  Speaker 3: went to the hospital, but that's part of whatever she
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  Speaker 3: told them at the dinner.
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  Speaker 2: So she was sticking with a lie. Yeah, to tell
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  Speaker 2: Tamra and Shannon.
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  Speaker 4: Hypothetically that's a great thing you now, that would make
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  Speaker 4: her lie, That would make the lie detector not false. Right,
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  Speaker 4: But then she said that she didn't say anything to
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  Speaker 4: Katie and Jen. So now we're back to square one
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  Speaker 4: because that side detector said that was truthful.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't believe Gretchen, and I don't believe Katie,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't believe Jen. So I'm going back to
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  Speaker 2: not believing all three of them, but believing some of each,
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  Speaker 2: actually none of Jen, because I really do think Jen
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  Speaker 2: is protecting Gretchen. I don't know, why do you guys
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  Speaker 2: like she was at that dinner. I believe Why do
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  Speaker 2: I believe that Gretchen said it? I don't. Why do
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  Speaker 2: I believe that I too?
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  Speaker 3: Well, because she, especially at the time of that dinner,
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  Speaker 3: she has to be I mean. The thing is, though,
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  Speaker 3: if she's sitting at that dinner saying that there's other
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  Speaker 3: people she's told this to over seventeen years, this is
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  Speaker 3: not a fresh take. So somebody else she has had
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  Speaker 3: to have told this story too well.
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  Speaker 2: If okay, right, right, So why wouldn't like Ryan? And well,
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  Speaker 2: if Ryan's in kahoots with Jen, and Jen's in kahoots
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  Speaker 2: with Gretchen, He's not going to say anything. So the
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  Speaker 2: only people and Slave's not going to say anything. So
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  Speaker 2: the only person that we can lean on is Matt
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  Speaker 2: and Katie. And Katie has absolutely no credibility whatsoever, which
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  Speaker 2: is why no one will believe her. And I get it.
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  Speaker 2: She is not a believable person at this point. She
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  Speaker 2: has lied so many times. And when they were doing
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  Speaker 2: this party at Emily's the Persian New Year, Katie was
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  Speaker 2: very sick, sick to her stomach, remember that, and she
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  Speaker 2: was going to the bathroom and I was like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my god, is this because she knows that there's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a lie detector, and she's worried about doing
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  Speaker 2: this light detector because she lied.
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  Speaker 3: Well previous we as viewers don't know at that point
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  Speaker 3: she knew about the light detector.
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  Speaker 2: I know that's correct, but maybe I think she should.
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  Speaker 2: I have a feeling she probably did.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the thing though, I wondered if she didn't open
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  Speaker 4: the door to one of them when she was looking
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  Speaker 4: around for the bathroom, right, but you know, but.
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  Speaker 2: She was there, but she was sick. But then she
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  Speaker 2: had already been sick though, so then that wouldn't matter.
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  Speaker 5: No, I know.
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  Speaker 4: But the only reason I would say I believe they
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  Speaker 4: didn't know there was a lie detector because the truth
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  Speaker 4: about not having alcohol was so real, you know.
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  Speaker 3: That, But it was how many times have you been
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  Speaker 3: at one of these light detector parties? Because she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's why, that's why I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't right, she figured it out that that was so funny. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: never seen her so sharp, by the way, so sharp,
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  Speaker 2: and that's why there's no alcohol.
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  Speaker 4: Oh the glass of shamp I've never seen a glass.
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  Speaker 5: The champagne that was poured for Heather was a goblet
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  Speaker 5: of champagne. I've just never seen such a strong pour.
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  Speaker 3: I think there is a storm.
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  Speaker 2: Tessa says, there's a storm a bruin. All right, well
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  Speaker 2: let's continue to really chisel in here, because we are
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  Speaker 2: not We're just scratching the surface. Yeah, because you want
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  Speaker 2: to say something, Emily. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because Katie also had her moment of receiving the information
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  Speaker 3: from Wendy the light detector.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Wendy, Okay, Wendy.
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  Speaker 3: She was an OCY fan, you could tell, but she
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  Speaker 3: uh everybody else that was passing on different questions she
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  Speaker 3: was saying was a lie. And I was like, m Katie,
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  Speaker 3: you're setting this up, like because you know you failed.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're if you're denying the results all around,
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  Speaker 3: then you can deny yours. I mean, it was like
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  Speaker 3: or I also thought, oh, this is how Katie operates,
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  Speaker 3: So this is how she thinks the world is. So
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  Speaker 3: that's how she operates, like nothing's real. So I just
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  Speaker 3: had watching that scene. I was like, oh, I finally
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  Speaker 3: kind of got Katie in that moment, like nothing's real.
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  Speaker 2: Nothings I operate like this. It it gave me a
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  Speaker 2: dissociation vibe. Yeah you know what I mean, Like it's yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if she is fully lying about everything, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: mean that she's getting caught in another lie. How can
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  Speaker 2: you move about the cabin looking so innocent and so
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  Speaker 2: believable every step of the way to the point where
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  Speaker 2: she's walking out and talking to a producer, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: still like thinking to myself, she's so convincing. So how
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  Speaker 2: is it possible for somebody to be so convincing and
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  Speaker 2: lie though? Because like, there are times when I see
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  Speaker 2: her that she has her tells. Okay, when she sat
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: down at the line detector test the minute that started
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: getting going, and she was like, oh, I'm so worried.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I'm so anxious about this, and the tech said, has
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with anxiety, and she was like, oh,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I know, it's like do you So she was already like, oh,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I know, I know it's not that I'm just I
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: just getting anxiety. And it's like, well, I don't know.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: She's too quick to like tell a story. It makes
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: me think that she's an exaggerator, an elaborator, and she
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't consider that a lie. You know, some people kind
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: of go, what do you were you gonna say something? Emily?
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: And let me just make clear everybody knows Emily's name.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm called. It's stupid. I think that I
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: have I think Katie's wrong. I think that I would
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: totally believe everything because it comes in a beautiful package.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: And in terms of like her, she seems so earnest,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: and she seems so in her moment and standing her ground.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: But that is also why I have also been lied
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: to in a massive way, you know, just like in
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: a business situation or whatever. And then I think about
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: all the podcasts we love, like Scamanda or you now, Unicorn.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: Girls, Unicorn Girl. I just yeah, that too.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Hmmm.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: So it's like they you know, the I don't liar
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: face sociopath but like, yeah, but like I don't know.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's very possible anybody, I mean, anyone on
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the Housewives could be a sociopath. I mean anyone anywhere.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: People have made good points about if we are drilling down,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: so let let's just pull.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Back for a moment.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, joke back volume he joked back.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: Okay, because.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: I'm getting stuck on she had this sit down, she
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: created this sit down with Kiki money, Like that is
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: such a that's such a bad thing.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: That is that You're right, the motivation. Yep, hold up, Okay.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Then I pull back a little bit and I go
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Tamra has a full podcast where she talks about the
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: housewives and they sit.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: In front of everybody, not behind people's backs, to a reporter.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: But Heather's having other you know, she's meeting with paparazzi.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: There's so much that guy.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I agree, they are all talking. They're all talking about
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: all talking.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Things are getting out there, people are making connections, they're
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: all talking. I believe Katie and I feel like has
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: came into this environment. Well remember she walked into this
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: environment wanting to take down Heather to brow.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Right, and that was proven to be not the case
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: that she lied because the paparazzi said that that's not
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: what happened. But I also believe that Heather knew that
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: those pictures were being set up.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Well, the light detector, the light detectors, we're giving the
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: light detector any credibility. Heather was lying And that was
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: one thing that Katie co signed on for the lie
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: detector or working.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: Was you see it working here?
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Oh? Interesting?
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I think she approached this like minute one before she
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: even showed up. She was like, I'm coming in ready.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: To tangle, ready to wrestle, and premeditated.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: She was coming in with ever meditated all of that,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: and I think.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Where was horrible, horrible, horrible.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Terrible approach.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: But then the end of Seveson one, she agreed to that,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: admitted it. I understand, and wanted to move different.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: But I think she's she was moving that way. We
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: don't know when she had that epiphany, Like we're like
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: the end of season one, Well, it might have been
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: after Kiki, after this, after this where she goes, I've
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: kind of made some mistakes, you know what I mean, Like,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: we don't I.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Thought she said the reunion unless she met with Kiki
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: in between.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, I see, you don't.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Exactly know when this you know, when.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: She had the light bulb go off that she's approached
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: this all wrong, and that could have been I don't know.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: So I loved yours Dimmerman dress and her pink cardigan
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: at the light detector event the Persian New Year, and
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: she is so lovely and normal. See the visual is
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: so appropriate and rightly.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: That's what you do when you're going to court and
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: you're guilty innocent, you wear Yeah, you wear these innocent
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: looking clothes. I mean it's she's got two stylists and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: they're basically like, oh, you're being accused of being a liar.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: You're going to be taking a light detector test. We'll
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: give you our court outfit.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, And it was working on me, you know.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, as it should. But let me ask you this.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: When she says that Jen was at that dinner, didn't
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Jen look a little fidgety when when Katie was like
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: they were arguing on that cat? Yeah, and Jen goes,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: why are you looking at me? It's like right, because bitch, you.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: Were there there you can confirm.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: So what's what would what would Jen gain from protecting Gretchen?
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: And when Jen was in her confessional, she was talking
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: about how Katie was her closest friend and she can't
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: believe it's all now blown up because she's seeing Katie
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: for who she is. So if that's true and Jen
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: is just blatantly lying like that, that is going to
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: throw me away for a loop.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Wait a minite, guys, we know that Jen has already
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: said that they were all at dinner talking about this. Yeah,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: jen'sory said that, like there's been so many lies at
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: this point, Jen said, what is first episode or whatever?
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: The first episode we started talking about about this?
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Wait, what snaked wasted? That was so long ago?
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: And then the next episode she said, we were all
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: at dinner, we were talking, you know what I mean?
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: And now she knows nothing about it?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Again, why didn't anyone write down on their questions?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Jen?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Did Gretchen say this at that dinner?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Or?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I did not everybody know about the dinner I think.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: As viewers were seeing the timeline edited together of the conversations,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: but I think in the moment there, they haven't put
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: all the pieces together.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Tam Or didn't know about that dinner. She wept dinner.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: She was like so razzled and it was so she
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: on the edge of her seat. And when the lie
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: detector tech was reading off all of the results and
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: said that Gretchen Gretchen's answer to to did you tell
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Katie and Jen that you were drugged? And Gretchen said,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I said no, And then Tam was like, uh, that's
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: us us this and she was clapping and I was like,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know why she's clapping. Why are you clapping?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. I don't know what you're being sarcastic.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Are you being here?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Tamra agreed, also did you notice? And I mean these
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: are just like I'm really picking here. But when Gretchen
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: was being asked, I mean no, no, yeah, when they
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: were reading her results and the tech was like, did
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: you tell Katie and Jen that you were drugged? And
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: she goes, I said no. Did you go to the
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: hospital after naked wasted? I said no? It's like, okay,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: you said no, But what the bug is the actual truth?
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Because do you know what I mean?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And then Tamra inter confessional talking about Clyars. She tell
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: her lies all the time. She says, this professional liar,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: she's flyes, So why is it hard to believe that
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Gretchen is such a good liar, that she lied so
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: well during her lie toctor test, and that Katie isn't
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: a good liar? And then aha, and this is why
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: he detectors don't work.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: To Diana's point about like everybody is moving slick on
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: the sides and misrepresenting the truth, that's a very good
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: point and I don't think I think it may have
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: just changed my mind a little bit on how hard
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I was going on Katie in terms of comparing her
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: to Unicorn girl, because that is not the case. She
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: is not Unicorn girl. But I do just think that
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: she thinks she's a lot smarter than a lot of
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the people in the room and wanted to control this thing,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: and it's so far out of the gate, and she
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: doesn't have a team to bet. She doesn't have her
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Vicki and Shannon, where Tamra or how they're like everybody
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: has a reason that they have alliances and Katie just
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: never formed those, Like the best thing she had was Gina.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: So now she's in deep shit and I think no
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: one will have her back because she's just fucked up
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: too many times.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: She has no emotional connection, you know. That's what the
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: thing is very weird. When was she trying when she left,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: when she left the house.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah no, in her confessionals, she was crying so much
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: it was down on her dress. Her tears were in
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: her dress. And when her in that tan dress.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, at the end when she was like you
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: may never see this face again kind of thing, like yeah, okay, well,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I mean I guess what I mean is when she's
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: around these ladies and she's being accused of all this stuff,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: it's just very even keel type of you know, balanced,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: we're not used to seeing that. Mouse is the one thing.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying like, in
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: that moment when that light detector tech gal, who was
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: very dramatic, honey, it was like you, yeah, you failed
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: more than anyone significantly, oh significantly, significantly significantly. And it's like, okay,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I mean you're not the judge and the jury report
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: the news.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: But it is a grading on a light detector. So
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I thought, well, then give us the other side of
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: the if it was a light failing.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Well they may have, but they cut it out probably
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: and they left in that significantly somebody.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Else had a significant right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Katie was like, Okay, gred there you know.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: So I just was like, well, she has no is
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: there anything there? Yeah?
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Hello, Well it's almost like how I when I play
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Mafia and I'm the Mafia, right yeah?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Same?
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Hold it?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: So there you.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: Go like you're not gonna see me swat.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Well, then she's lying obviously.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Well and can get a conclusion.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, because Diana, if that's all play, Katie, sign we
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: solved it, you guys, We absolutely saved it. By the way,
• 31:14
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• 31:56
  Speaker 2: in premeditated and lying category because you've got you no,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: no one's hands are really clean. But there are levels here.
• 32:05
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• 32:08
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  Speaker 2: about this bonkers lie detector episode of the Real Housewives
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  Speaker 2: of Orange County. I'm with Emily Deresis and Deanna Chang. Deanna,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: you had something percolating that you wanted to.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: You had a little something percolating.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: So here's where I'm as I walk away from this
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: lie detector extravaganza. These are my thoughts. One, let's just
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: deal with the lie detector test. Okay, my understanding, they
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: use lie detector tests reliably in like government interrogations, So
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: I don't think in a court of law it's a
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: different story. But I don't think lie detector tests by
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: and large, and I don't have the numbers.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: I didn't do any.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Research before I got here, but I follow this woman
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: who's a former Secret Service agent, and she she did
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: a lot of entire gating of people have committed crimes
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: and all that, and she used lie detective tests all
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: the time and found them to be quite reliable. It's
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: just that they don't go into the court of law.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: So because you can trick them, that is possible in
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: terms of I think it's your heart rate down if
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: you know you're going into it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: I think the percentage of people who can trick the
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: test is very, very low, and I think it is
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: a good indicator, and I don't think these housewives can
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: trick the test.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Also out their booze.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Also, Deanna, to your to that point, and I just
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: want to throw this in there before you continue, so
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: don't lose your listen.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: I'm there, Okay, good putting a pin face.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Reality sixteen posted this today, which is why a polygraph
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: test lasts one and a half to two and a
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: half hours and why on the housewives it can't be
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: accurate because they're shortened. They're only in there for a
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: shorter amount of time, so the average length is much longer.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: So each person would need to be in there for
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: like an hour and a half to two and a
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: half hours. They have to be prepared and evaluated in
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: such a way. But this is a really expedient process.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: It's you know, sped up. So that being said, that
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: should be taken into consideration. Deanna pick it up.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'll take that. I'll take that into consideration.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Thing, so we have so okay, so I'm going to
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: say polygraphs at large, I think tend to be reliable.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Putting that to the side.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, These these.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: These people executing the polygraph tests. That lady and all
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: her emotions seemed very suspicious to me.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: In at large, even when Katie left and she was like, well,
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: she was lying her ass off or whatever that.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Was wine in the yeah, that was wild. But in
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: the test I thought they were giving them nothing.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: That's fine.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: But I thought her emotional response to these results was odd.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: To me.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: It felt felt like what skin, what skin do you
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: have in this game? Like she just read yeah, sure,
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: or maybe this was a setup.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe the guy, Oh you guys, there's going to be
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: a spin off, a lie detector test spin off, and
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: she is the star.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Wendy, her and Alison Debro are gonna But and
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: then the guy I have was reading that he is
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: a known sort of scammer who you can pay off
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: to get the results that you want.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: And he's been on other shows doing this work.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: So I I have a question mark around and now
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: with this information about you know, just the set up
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: the executors, I have questions, you know, so I just
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: want to throw that throw that I agree.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, now you're moving me back towards Katie because I
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: didn't want I want Katie. I'm rooting honestly, I'm rooting
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: for Katie. And a lot of the reason I'm rooting
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: for Katie is I love Emily, but man, she goes
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: so hard and she looks for every opportunity to drill
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: down with all the drills on Katie, and like at
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: the reunion last year and now at this party, and so.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I like it when she kicked her out that
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: don't kick people out. Don't kick people out. There's no
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: reason they're going to leave anyway if someone's being ganged
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: up on, and she was. And look, I'm not saying
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: she didn't ask for it, because if she's lying, she's lying,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: and people are all mad, you know, but we don't
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: need to like run around the village, you know, with
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: our torches, like when they when she was like get
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: out of my house. I mean, I think you should leave.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I hate that. And when she was leaving and she
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: was upset upside outside, it's like you're you're you're making
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: us then have empathy for somebody that you want us
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: to not like because you're accusing her of lying. But
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: now we feel bad and like it looks like a
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: gang up.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Well, in the beginning of it, Gina is very much like,
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: don't worry, We're gonna smoke her out of her hole
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: right now. So that seemed they seem so goddamn certain.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: And I know some of that has to do with
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: connecting with Kiki, But the whole thing thrown under the
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: guys of Persian New Year, which Emily knew zero about,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Shane knows less.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Was just just gorgeous.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: It was gorgeous, It really was. I loved it. It
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: looked great.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: I love it looked great.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: But it was such a bait and switch, and like,
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: you know, it was such a setup to get to
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: get someone drilled to the wall, you know, And I'm like,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: What about this was real?
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I am now suspicious of Emily, of
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Emily's intentions, But at the end of the day, like
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I would, I believe every I believe Emily. That's a thing,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: like she has given me every reason.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: To believe Emma.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like regarding she comes across as a trustworthy person.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Too, Yes, as a voice of reason on the show. Yeah,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know whose idea it was to
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: do the lie detector, you know, I don't know if
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: it was Emily's. I don't know if it was Gina's.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know it was producers, but.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: It was Emily's because it was because Katie. They had
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: that flashback of Katie said I'll take a lie detector
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: test or maybe yeah, to your point, maybe Gina, it
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: was like we should and then Emily actually did it,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: but didn't tell Gene until she got there.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: M M yeah, balls, Oh my god, bulls. That was
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: very funny.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: The other significant lie was Jen saying she was happy
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: about married.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Are there any concerns about you marrying Ryan significant? She's
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: significant fail? Well, just you know, you know, just nerves
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: about getting married. You know that's all bikini body Uh
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: huh no, no.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: No that's not the question.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: But listen, ask if you were going to be bikini ready.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that should have been a question with regard to
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Jen and her ability to maybe cover for Gretchen. I
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: believe she has that capability because she's covered for Ryan.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure, But I don't know if she
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: has that capability in this test.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: She wasn't asked any questions about it, and I see
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: what saying, which is not right. They should have asked her,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: we're you know at this dinner. Oh, we already talked
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: about that. We don't know about the dinner.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Well, what was confusing, though, is why And I think
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: we touched on it just a little bit at the beginning,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: but like then once, why didn't Shannon or Tamra say
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: something in the moment about you told us you went
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: to the hospital Gretchen when she said when the results
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: of the lie detector test? You know how we always
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: say like it's annoying when shit happens off camera, that's
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: annoying to us, and then it comes up like we
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: have to live in two worlds. What's more annoying to
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: me is something like this where we're a we are
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: all sitting and knowing a big piece of information that's
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: not being mentioned in a scene that you're like, why
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: is no one saying this? And then you find out
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: later like I just wanted to hold back and it's
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: like why why why?
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: But not here, not now, not when we have lie
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: detectors in different rooms, Like that's yeah, hold back.
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: Also, like Gretchen is a little housewife rusty because she
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: said uh when she walked in, like she didn't want
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: to confront Katie because and She's like, this is not
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: the place or the time, and I'm like.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Oh girl, it's the time yet flip it. It's not
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: the time or the place, the place of the time, Okay.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Gretchen, when they were at the sit down
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: with Kiki Monique, and Kiki was like this, these are
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: the facts my friends, and Gretchen was like, huh, I
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: can't believe this. And then Kiki leaves and then she
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: is crying. She is crying really hard.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: She's not kik Ki.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: Is like done, He's like, where's my mic off?
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Gretchen is crying and she's saying this is messed up.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: People can't do this. Now I'm starting to be scared
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: about whatever. Everybody's try been trying to tell me forever,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: But how would I know? And I am reading between
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: those lines because I'm not hearing an innocent person say
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't say. I didn't say that about dinner. I'm hearing.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: You're right.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: What she said was everyone said it. I didn't listen.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: But how would I know? Well, see, everyone said it,
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: and you didn't listen.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Everyone said what, Well, to avoid Katie?
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Right, Like, that's the right that everyone said. She's saying,
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: you can't ever avoid Katie.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Before you come on the season.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: I didn't listen.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't listen.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: What I have known, Well, you got set and you
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: didn't listen.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Right now, what we're saying is we're presuming that Gretchen
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: was warned before coming on this season that Katie is
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: not a to be trusted. She lies, she makes things up.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Do not trust her at all, don't have an ally
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: ship with her because she'll burn you in the end,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: or she'll look for something, so on and so forth.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Oh and then the recording and all this other stuff.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: So the recording of Shannon, So then you think that
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: she wasn't going to go to Keiki Monique with that recording.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: By the way, See that's where I'm like, I get
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: right back to it, But I digress. Okay, So Gretchen
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: was told this don't trust her. She she kind of
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: comes on the season. She's caught up in getting back
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: on the season. She's got these new allies, Jen and Katie,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: and we're all out to dinner having a great time.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: She's not naked, wasted, but she's feeling relaxed. She's feeling
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: like back in the game. She opens up her mouth
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: a little too much, says a little too much, and
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: it's come back to bite her. So when she's crying,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: she's saying, this is so messed up. How can somebody
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: who I trusted this information with that can be so
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: damaging and so bad for Tamra that she would come
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: after me and sue me? How could she do this
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: to me? Now I'm starting to be scared because what
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: else is she going to say? What else is what
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: else is she going to do to me? And how
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: would I have known that? Thank you, good night, you nye, everybody,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Bottom line is I am leaving
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: this with saying I believe Gretchen told Katie and that
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: table of people that Tamara drugged her allegedly, and I
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: believe Jenna is protecting her. And then I believe also
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: that Katie's lying about everything else.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I mean to say, yes, I agree with that. I
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: do think Katie's lying, But I'm gonna have empathy because
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: I keep going back to Katie's origin story, and I
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: think she really needs to work on some things personally
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: and psychologically there because like you know, she still hasn't
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: met her bioparents. Not that you need to do that,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: but that is something that weighs on her. We know,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: we know that she had a very rough first marriage.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: I think she's still in survivor mode. Is when she's
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: trying to survey. I like that, So I have empathy
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: for that. That said, I don't trust her in this moment,
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: and I also don't trust Gretchen either, so.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Which is so weird because she's kind of different like this,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: like a Christian and she's praying with sliw and like,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: it's not that I don't think that there's a hypocrisy everywhere.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I watched documentaries all the time. I've lived
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: this life. I'm I'm a liver, you know. But so
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: it's it's not that I don't understand that these two
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: things can be in total contradiction with each other, but
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: to be that she doesn't strike me as coming on
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: and just lying through her teeth all the time. But
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I can't help but believe that she is.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Well because what I think when I go through all
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: of it, it's like, Okay, well, was she drugged?
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Because she did go to
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: the hospital. Did they find drugs in her system?
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe they didn't, but they didn't go But she didn't
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: go to the hospital.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Who know why?
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Don't know that?
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: But I'm saying, like, let's say she did.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's say she went to the hospital and it
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: was so bad and they found traces of this, that
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: and the other in her body.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: That's right, because that's what Katie said. This is fucking crazy.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: I can't even know.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: So if that was the case, the reason why she
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: would have to do this number right now is she
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: has already looked down the road to see if she
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: had legal action, and she doesn't, right, because it's either
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: too far long ago, it's it she doesn't have enough evidence.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: It was slightly exaggerate, whatever it is.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: Like, let's say, I'm just I'm just I'm throwing a
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: hypothetif that situation out.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: But I have to say, if she went to the hospital,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: they would and they had that report. That's your evidence,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: and I don't know if it.
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: Is, but she might be able to pin it.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: You can't trace it.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, I see what you're saying.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Like she could have pin
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: it on because if she could and she had it,
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: Oh God.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Your story right, because that's why she said. Do you
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: think that if I had this, I would have said
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: something And she's saying exactly that, which is, if I
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: would have had evidence to pin it on Tam Rocks,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I would have brought this up. But I didn't, which
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: is she's.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: Probably run down that road and she knows she can't
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: pin it on Tama and her son. So that the
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: reason why she would have to Christian not Christian, blowout
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: not blowout.
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: Slade mustache, slade mustache, head banded head bann this.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Those snowbos is because is because she doesn't have the
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: amount of money that would be like Tamar's gonna sue
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: her fucking ass off and she will lose half of
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: her wealth. That they live a modest asque life, you
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. They're not, they're not, you know,
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: bathing in it.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Like she can't guess who understands about losing money and
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: not having enough money jen uh huh, that's why she's
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: protecting her. She knows the financial destruction. If Gretchen were
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: to admit that she said this at a table of people,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: it's a wrap. It's done.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, it's just crazy that Jimialino is allegedly now suing.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Gretchen and slowly because of the already I already know
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: when she's starting to throw her fishing starting right now. Yeah, Deanna,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: you were you were hot on something. And that leads
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: me to my final final conclusion. Yeah, I'm kidding. I
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: already said it. I already said what I said when
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I said, you know, which is it all makes sense
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: to me now why Gretchen was crying because she knows
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: that the cards, the house of cards of what she
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: said is going to fall and she's going to be
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: financially responsible.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: And it is shitty for Katie to run to Kiki
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: with that, by the way, like that's Gretchen's and that's
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: her justification.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: But it's also shitty. This is where I go back to,
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: like Katie, I mean, if it's all for show whatever,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: and in terms of staying on the show.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: And.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: But she also, let's not forget is trying to destroy Kiki,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: and that's not fucking great either, Like that's Katie, Like
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: full right, Katie's trying to destroy Kiki, who really doesn't
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: have a voice on the show at all.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and good points.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: And it's like lying about that.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really bad. So if Gretchen is like, I
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: have to save my own ass because it's me against
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: somebody who is doing moving and badly. Yeah, litigious going
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: to press all the time, I don't care. I'm gonna
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: save my own ass because I'm not going to go
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: down this road. And nobody told me it would be
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: this bad And what else is next? And how would
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: I have known? And this is so messed up. People
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: can't do this. Everything she said, the story has been
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: told and we can see it. We'veigured it out. I
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: really think we figured it out.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: Where where we're we're okay.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: With Russian stretching the truth or lying because we get
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: it on a bigger level.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: On a fiscal level, on a fiscal level, okay, Yeah,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: but it's a reckless. It's also reckless to be saying
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: that in the first place.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: To a table of because started this house of cards.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like you thought that. Yeah, I mean again,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: everyone said it the book. Mm hmmm, that was Fraser.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: That was Fraser. But let's also you know, we don't
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: need to focus on the naked wasted night, but that
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: was also fucked up to begin with anyway. I mean,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: now we're seeing footage rolling and rolling from that scene
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: and it's dis de disgusting and disgusting.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Falls you have Bravo to be flashing that footage.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Around, so have had Yeah, I know, but they're obviously covered.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, everybody's covered until you have a good
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: legal argument and then it gets argued. So I don't know.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Well, guys, the one last thing I will say before
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: we wrap is that there was a post Katie Janella
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: will not appear on Real Housewives in Orange County, and
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: it's in quotes for a while. After tonight's episode. August
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: twenty eighth episode is her last appearance for a while
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: on the show. Bravo felt that all of the women
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: were coming for her and decided to remove her from
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: the mix for a bit. A source tells Okay Magazine.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: It was clear all the women had planned to band
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: together to take Katie down, and they ended up refusing
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: to film with her end quote. And then the other
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: thing is, oh, this is wild. So Katie posted on
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: her Instagram a picture of her in her gorgeous dress,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: and she says the caption is another waste of a
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: good dress. And guess who commented right below that Tamra
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Judge and it says, girl, that dress was fire. I repeat, okay, girl,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: that dress was fire. So they have somehow communicated again
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: and are I don't so I don't know what's going on,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: but that's the real time update.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: Well you have to remember that she that gret Tamra's
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: goal is to take down Gretchen.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Gretchen Gretchen.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: So right to our earlier point, my earlier point about Gretchen. Legally,
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: that was all me. I came up with that point.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Boys on the board, scratches, scratches.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So now Tamra's if she aligns with Katie, she
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: could maybe have something against Scretchen outside of the show legally,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: so who knows. I just don't think it would hold up,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: But who knows. That makes the most sense to me
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: that Tamar's.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Got because why would Tamra be friends with someone who's
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: gonna lie about Kiki Monique and deliberately knew that she lied,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Like that doesn't make any sense when yeah, when Tamra's
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: you're going she's lying. Science is so good lying. I mean,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: make a choice, all right.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: I will say Tamra's outfit was awesome.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I love that red red flowy pants slowly so nice
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: to see her in something flowy and breezing.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, eggs on the bottom, Eggs on the.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: Everyone I was worried about.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: You guys have egg on your feet.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: I honestly send a text to the group and say
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be eggs on my cash, you.
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: Know, like it'll alarming.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Also eggs on well, like a car, a paint
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: is bad. Eggs on a house is bad. Eggs on
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: cement or brick is that bad?
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: It was brick. I'm going to assume that it was
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: not fun to clean up. I mean it's gonna stick.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: And you know what you need that power washer? Yeah, yep,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: well I'm glad we can end on a powerwasher. Note
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: me too. As always, guys, please give us a follow
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• 59:15
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• 59:21
  Speaker 2: great weekend, everybody. Bye, girl Bye.