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Hi, this is Jeff Allen and today the 22nd of July 20, 22 you are
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about to hear an interview that I participated in with Pastor,
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Patrick Russell, from the Christian friends of Israel.
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Hope you enjoy. Thank you for listening to the
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slippery slope. Hey, thanks very much.
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Again for for joining me has been reading so much reading, so
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many things about what's happening in Israel and, and I
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thought, well yeah, we have to have to really discuss it and
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see what your I wanted to know what your perspective was and
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everything. Probably, so many things
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happening mad like you, it's hard to keep up.
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You've everywhere. Everytime everyday your.
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You hear about things? That's like, What's Happening
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Here? What's Happening Here?
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What's happening there? And it's just, it's just
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compounding. It's like a wave, just keep it
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rolling. Rolling rolling rolling.
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And every every day's a new revelation of something and just
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trying to put all the pieces together, that's fine.
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The really hard thing. Yeah.
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I was just talking to somebody this morning is I look no one's
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got all the answers and I said yeah, 100% correct because what
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you think happening today, you know, tomorrow is something will
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change and it'll add something else to the conversation a
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little it's just trying to keep on top of it all and just trying
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to keep a perspective of it all without trying to understand
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everything. Because you won't ya this.
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So, now the gods putting all the pieces together.
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That's the thing. So how do you see the election,
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or not, the election but they is it like a breakdown of the, the
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politics, the parliament over there.
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How do you see that we did with you?
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Where do you think it's taking them?
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Right? If I had that answer every
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commentator on Israel is asked to had and I think every
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commentator this gets it wrong because to try and understand
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Israeli politics and how that's all being affected.
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Look, the bottom line is that Israel is is a nation in
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unbelief concerning their Messiah.
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Jesus Christ. Yeah, you've got a very secular
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government who tolerates the religious, Segmented community.
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That is very very liberal allowing all sorts of things
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into the country agent. How Israel has got the largest
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gay and lesbian pride in the world.
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Yes. And yeah.
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And they held it until it. But now they're trying to bring
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it up to Jerusalem, you know, the center of a Biblical
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understanding, you know. So you can see the the spiritual
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battle going on there for Teresa.
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Well, Soul their eyes are blinded until Jesus Christ.
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Comes back the government, the population.
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They're still in the blindness. Yeah.
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Actually, even though God starting to do some wonderful
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things there. Yes, girls are starting to fall
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off this, killing a blindness, and that's reflected in the
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government. So it doesn't matter who you
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get. It doesn't matter who's coming
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into Power. There's still a blindness,
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they're still feeling their way. You got to understand, they're
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going to receive somebody Big Ang to hire with event as a
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Christ is going to be an antichrist.
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Hmm. Who's going to end up
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persecuting them? So they're going to continue in
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that blindness until Jesus actually comes back end.
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One thing is I found really curious was the way the their
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Parliament had integrated with the Muslim part of it, you know,
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with their like the Muslim believers.
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How does that, do you think, do you think that can continue or
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does it that has to does, it have to go back to a, like, an
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old Jewish? If that's the right word, fits,
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right phrase? But like, does it have to go
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back to an all Jewish Parliament for, like, for the rest of life,
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for things like these Ezekiel, 38 War, you know, I just found
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it hard, this to can receive, Hell, yeah, they can have this
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terrible of this Muslim. Kind of section of their
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Parliament if they're going to eventually go into the other
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parts. What are your thoughts on it?
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We got to understand the arrows that just to see if there's a
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Jew. So, yeah, there's, there's 120
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seats in the Israeli Parliament. Hmm.
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Now for anyone to govern in their own right, they need 61
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out of 120. They need that one seat
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majority. Yeah, every major party, this
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39. Different parties.
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Would you believe you can test the Israeli elections 39, but
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now the two big ones which is Benjamin netanyahu's party, the
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liquid and the right. Yeah.
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They they they can't govern in their own right.
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They can't win enough seats to govern so they've got to come
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into all these little Coalition parties, the 39 parties.
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And they might pick up one seat here and there.
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These 39, they may pick up seven or six.
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Till 5:00. So what they got to try and do
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is get these little minor parties on their side to form
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that 61 seat majority in the parliament.
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Yeah. And that's what that's what this
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present government did they. I think they were two seats,
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short of forming a majority. So they invited the arab-muslim.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically the Arab the Muslim
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Brotherhood, they invited them into the Coalition just to get
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them across the line, they hated Benjamin Netanyahu.
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So much. Yeah.
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That were willing to make a deal with it wasn't party, which is
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unprecedented in in Israel. Yeah, yeah.
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Where'd that happens again, highly unlikely.
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Because, you know, they cause so much trouble.
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They, you know, they want this concession and that concession
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for yeah, this land or so. It's very unlike unlikely that
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that may happen again. Although I wouldn't rule it out
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in Israeli politics. So look, these bigger parties
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are trying to get a Jewish A majority total majority that
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that I want these outer parties in in their Coalition,
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tolerated, in the knesset, which is an absolute Miracle.
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Because, you know, just goes to show that they're not bias, they
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will allow Arab parties in the parliament.
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Yeah, but I don't want them in there.
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Specially holding a knife over their heads as it were the
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balance of power. So, look whether it happens
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again, I don't know, but the major parties won't get the
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majority. Yep.
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Latest polling actually suggest. That Benjamin netanyahu's party
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would actually get 59 of the 61 seats.
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Okay. That's with their Coalition
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Partners. Yeah.
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But it's still going to be two seats short, no matter what.
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Yeah, yeah. Where's he getting into seat
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from? Yeah, the opposition.
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Will we get something like, I think it's 50. 51 seats.
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Yeah, they need in seats from somewhere else.
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So I have to make this deals gonna make a deal with and
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that's like making a deal with the devil, you know, it's our Do
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I bring these Arabs in to get me over the line and then what
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concessions do I have to make? Yeah so all this all this just
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shows the instability of Israeli politics, keeping in mind that
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they don't know Christ their Guardians.
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Yep. And I'll make a deal, whatever.
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They can make a deal especially when it comes to peace.
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Then I'll make the wrong deal eventually, okay, so, so with my
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speaking of a deals and everything.
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What what happened with with the presidents and the deals, That
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he's made with, you know, with Saudi Arabia and that and how
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can you explain that a little bit and how that also fits into
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or what you think it fits into with Biblical prophetic aspect?
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Yeah. Well fine.
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As you know, was this town over in Israel, use there for a day
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or so. And then he went on to Saudi
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Arabia and the leaders of different parties there when it
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comes to making a peace deal in the Middle East, you Have all
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the partners lined up. Saudi Arabia is a big one as,
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you know, probably in Israel. Saudi Arabia has control, a lot
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of the religious sites. Yeah, it's under the sort of
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jurisdiction. Even know, Jordan holds the
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temple mountain and Saudi Arabia has a big influence on what
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happens there. So you're going to get Saudi
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Arabia on side. I don't know what Biden went to
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Saudi Arabia really, for probably to try and organize
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some oil for The United States, we don't know.
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Yeah. But you got to get all these
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Partners in line. And Saudi Arabia is becoming a
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friend of Israel. Would you believe there are
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actually going to allow Israeli Jets to fly over their airspace
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Weaver's never done before amazing, right?
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Commercial airliners. No, you have to go down below
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the Saudi Arabia and up the bread, see and go around it, but
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now they're going to actually allow them to fly planes.
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Over the top of Saudi Arabia, which is a big step.
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Yep. Now, I think what's going to
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happen, there is, there's a new leader coming, the Old Kings
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dying and these sons taking over his more Progressive.
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This is that being in your fair few, more peace deals with
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Israel. A few more.
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Yeah, I think it's everything is pointing to the players.
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Coming into line as it were. Yeah, getting ready for these
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coalition's piece and but look at it's very hard to say
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definitively what Saudi Arabia's role is going to be.
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Yeah, but you're going to have them on side.
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You going to have any sort of piece that you're going to have
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these major flat hair. That's yet to be seen what's
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going to happen, then? Yeah.
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But so, in the long term, a Saudia Arabia because they're
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described in Ezekiel as being the surname, my mind's gone
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blank. So basically, they're the ones
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that stand up and they don't say anything against the when, when
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the Coalition of Nations, like, which is led by Russia.
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So they kind of just wag their finger and don't say anything
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which would seem to be that they Made a bit of a deal boy.
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You know they they're not a part of the attack that that God says
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and say, what are you doing? What are you doing?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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What are you doing? So what's their name in the
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Bible? Again, what sits there is it
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Dean? And yeah, well, it could well.
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Now there's a riot Arabia. I think it's D-Day in.
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It can be tensed, d-dan. And I think there's a feeling
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that I'm not exactly sure. Yeah.
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Okay. Remember this.
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But you don't understand. The Saudi Arabia, Heights, Iran
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and Iran is going to be part of that Coalition, that attacks
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Israel. Hmm, Saturday, right?
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You're not going to join them know that they're going to stand
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in basically wagging finger and say, what are you guys doing
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here? So it just shows like Authority.
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If you're looking relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia
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that Saudi Arabia is not going to not in a position to defend
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Israel. But it's The Condemned condemned
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all either. Yeah.
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And by the question, was this Coalition what are you doing?
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Taking taking on Israel basically.
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So you can see that happening now.
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There's a thorn in their relationship.
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Yep. And I think it's going to get a
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little bit better. Yeah, without being totally
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buddy, buddy, buddy because they've made some other business
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deals with Israel as well. That's billions of dollars
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billions of and they're investing in Israel.
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Yeah, which is organized. These business deals between
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Saudi Arabia. In Israel with Saudi Arabia is
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investing billions of dollars in Israeli companies.
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It's not a kick at all these sorts of things so now they know
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where the money is. It's so the other thing,
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obviously this going on with the war over in between Russia and
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the Ukraine and everything that's happening there.
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And I just want to get back to what the Bible describes in
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Ezekiel 38 about this Coalition of Nations that That it is is
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led by by modern day Russia. And, you know, I think is turkey
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and Iran and few other nations are part of that, but they're
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the main players and you know there's a lot of commentary on
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how this is all going to be. You know it looks like it's
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playing up. We see you all as you said
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before that we see all those players kind of coming into
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action, Andy think it's it is now it's for starters.
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When do you think when would I wouldn't would you think that's
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that actual time frame? Because I'm done.
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That means the data anything. But is this something that you
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would see as a pre-tribulation, or as a post, tribulation events
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as in The Invasion, that, that actual, that attempted an
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invasion, would you always think of it as something
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pre-tribulational? Post tribulation?
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Yeah. Well, there's two thoughts on
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that, a lot of Scholars actually think there may be two battles.
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Of Armageddon. They're not called Armageddon.
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But yeah but they could be two battles.
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It could be one before Christ returns and then one after.
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Okay. Well that's definitely gonna be
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one laughter at the end of the millennial.
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When the armies of the Earth come against Christ is going to
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just destroy my that. So they're talking about to
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whether that happens before Christ returns somewhere in that
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seven year. Period.
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Yep. Or after what I, what I always
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say is and you've heard me Talk about the Shadows.
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Yeah, yeah. Before the substance arises
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always a shadow. And what we're seeing here are
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the Shadows appearing. Whereas Russia, Iran turkey,
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they're forming a coalition of. Now, this was predicted
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thousands of years ago. Hmm, and it's relevant for our
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day today. Yeah, there's a photograph in
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the paper yesterday of Putin holding rallies.
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His hand, the literary run is holding the other ones hand.
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I'm the lead of taking three of them together.
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Yeah, that was written off. Thousands of years ago.
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Here it is right in front of my eyes today, the 19th of July,
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this analysis of 25th, but, two days ago.
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Yeah, yeah. It is, now, if that's not a
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shadow of, what is being predicted in Ezekiel 38?
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I don't know what is? Yeah, we're seeing a shadow
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twisting the formation now. These three leaders came
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together and they're talking about the war in Syria.
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That's what they were talking about.
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Because He doesn't want the Kurds on the northern border of
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Syria in their territory. So they're talking about that.
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Russia doesn't want is reverse how bomb being Damascus,
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International Airport and taking out all these Iranian missiles
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that are being smuggled in and it runs full.
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So they're all talking about that now.
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Israel is going to be center of the talk.
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Yeah. Because Israel's involvement in
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Syria. Yeah, I'm so these are two
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Shadows. This is the formation.
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This is the coming together. So it's not hard to see them
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beginning to talk about Israel. And well, how are we going to
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solve this problem? How are we going to?
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Because Israel now is, you know I've got all the gas out there
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in the Mediterranean. Yeah, Russia.
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And we make it onto this, their relationship with Russia is
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souring. Yeah, because Russia has cut off
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all the gas oil supplies to the European nations, who stepping
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into the breach? Yeah, Israel, all this gas now.
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Yeah, they're sending it to Germany.
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Gently side to deal with him. So He's my house boy, I passed a
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rush here if you like yeah Russia is getting a bit upset
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about that. So the relation gone downhill.
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So you can see all this sort of pointing this is this is
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building up. This is sort of going into
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something that no one could possibly predict but you can see
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the sign in the shadows. Yeah I was glad you said that
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because I was trying to explain this the other day on the
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episode because you could see how, you know, obviously
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Israel's got all this gas and they've got a lot of oil.
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To unload to believe. And and you know, when it's
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described that I think the hook God puts that hook in the mouth,
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the leader and pulls him back and he's there to take the
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spoils. Yeah, and I simply going in my
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head, I'm sitting there going, well, you can see how it would
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because, you know, rushes at the moment, it's threatening to cut
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off the oil, cut off the gas for Germany and all his Nations.
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He stood the in in my head I'm going, wow, this could all
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happen. So quickly in reality, you know
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they covered off. They you know Israel says he
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will step in and fill the Gap and then Russia gets the
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irritated and says, well, let's go.
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This is the guy Cry. He's gonna take it.
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Yeah, and and look like he had a nation bankrupt, then they're
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desperate. They're looking for oil, they're
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looking for gas and looking. Let's the looking for money for
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this. They are in Dire Straits and so
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turkey, do nothing for turkey, disabled.
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Come on. Let's go down into our
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Mediterranean just down the coast of it.
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You take this, take this gas, you know, it's get rid of Israel
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and was it's all out, you know, they can see a lot of
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possibilities without knowing exactly what's going to happen.
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You can see, sort of like a shadow coming.
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We don't have a substance. When you see a shadow, you can
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see the outline if you can see all the little details, the fill
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the substance actually arising. You say, oh, there's the detail.
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There's the eyes is that you can see the outline of it all
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conscience. Yeah, I just love.
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Absolutely love. The fact that something that was
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written. Several thousand years ago.
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And you can see it playing out before your eyes and I see the
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go on. This is just I get so excited.
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I just like I did to my focus is you know is on Israel and we are
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seeing Ezra coming back into the land and I'm reading about all
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these ancient prophets throughout thousands of years
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ago, who, who saw a regathering of it is first people.
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Mmm. Yeah.
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And it's happening in my day and my age and I see all these
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nations and all the Jews coming back from the nation's I'm
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thinking, man, this is a fig on eyes to see.
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This is the word of God coming through the attic size and then
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you see all these other things happening.
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That was spoken of Nations who hated each other until 30 40
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years ago, like Russia and Iran hated each other.
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Yeah. Now they're buddy buddies and I
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was like, come on, you can't bury your head in the sand and
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say, this is not happening. Yeah, this is.
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This is exciting and it's just to see it happening.
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Every day is what? Wow.
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Yeah. You're very excited.
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It's very exciting. I just um, and as you said, you
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know, the importance of being able to see and explain to
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people that something that was written so long ago and this
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this is their confirmation, you know, their confirmation of
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really God's word people doubted you can see well, hey, is
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equally prove it, it's not not just believing in something
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airy-fairy, I can physically prove it prove You don't.
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And that is a good way to prove that God is real, because he say
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something two thousand years ago, people think are, well,
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that's 2,000 years ago could happen anyway.
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You know, but to be happening exactly how he said, it proves
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God is really set it and he's doing it.
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Yeah. And that's how you could prove
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the gods. Really look at this run hard.
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I'll be scattered all be gathered.
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What's happening? Open your eyes and have a look.
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Yeah, you know, God is proving himself.
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True. These people are any open their
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eyes, sincerely, and have a look.
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Yeah. I'm so one other thing I want, I
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want to bring things back a little close to home because of
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what some of the discussions that have been happening.
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To me, it feels like a struggle is kind of been pulled apart
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with a lot of trans discussions you know.
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And and it feels like there's a lot of confusion back home.
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So if from a in one thing, I've found hard to because I kind of
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wanted to talk about things on the podcast without being too
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without being too harsh. Because in my mind, some of
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these issues with the Trans issues in that I feel Will
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genuinely sorry for these people because you sit there thinking
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while they don't, you know, they're confused.
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How do you add you discuss? Yeah.
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How do you, how do you tackle those issues if they ever come
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up with your, you know, with your pastor work and stuff, how
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do you help people that Yeah, well, I'm pretty blunt, you
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know, I'm now going to be sort of straightforward.
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I'm sort of worried about political correctness.
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Many times I get myself into trouble sometimes, but look, I'm
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very blunt. The Bible talks about the time
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of Christ's return. It's going to be like the days
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of Noah and the days of lot. Yep.
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Now have a, look at the days of look what was happening, there
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was cities that were just totally dominated through sexual
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immorality perversion. Homosexuality, all those things.
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Now that's only one side. It's not just the only thing,
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but it's that was part of society.
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You have a look at society today.
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It is totally perverted in its thinking homosexuality and
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things like that are accepted as normal.
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You try and question that or give a different opinion, your
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shouted down, you shot down your ridicule, your persecuted.
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They can have their They say everyone.
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Yeah. Everyone is even you can have
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your own and point of view, but you have a Christian perspective
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and your crucify you get, that's not tolerated.
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Nah, and so, when I'm talking to those things with people, I'm
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saying, listen Bible talks about how people will have a heart for
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those things. God says he will give them over
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to that. He'll say okay that's what you
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want. Okay you go for that even though
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that's the mindset. Yeah, the people who were
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conceived, it is Steve and I do feel Oh, sorry before them, but
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at the same time I'm thinking, well, that's what they really
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want to God's given him over to it.
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And that's a sad and a very scary position to be in because
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God says, okay, that's what you want, that's what you get,
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that's what you're going to follow and the yeah, and their
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results of following Nat is, you know, eternity without Christ.
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So it's a very serious thing. But I just tell people, there's
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the spirit of the age and the Bible talks about it, it's an
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antichrist spirit. So, everything you see happening
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in the world, Is is naturally geared against Christ against
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the word against me? Now, good Godly morality.
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So, don't be surprised. Although I'm shocked and I'm
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angry, mix are not excited that I'm, you know, frustrated with
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how people accept all this rubbish.
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But at the same time I shouldn't be surprised.
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Because the Bible tells me, it warms me in the last days is
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going to be a real Spirit of selfishness Spirit of
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antichrist. I real Perversion.
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And so all these things that are happening.
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I don't tell people. If it's the spirit of the age,
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it was foretold, it is a sign that we're living in the last
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stage. The worst thing is that a now
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it's getting into the church and the church is accepting these
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things, these practices. These other watering them down
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instead of taking a definite stand and that's where I draw
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the line. But the world is doing what the
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world's going to do. Because that's all that know,
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the church should know better. Yeah, we need to be Is a
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righteousness and that's going to cost.
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It's going to be a cost as far as persecution and
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ostracization. All those things, we've got to
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be prepared to take a stand. Yeah.
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Okay. Listen, before we wrap up, is
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there anything with that? You're involved with friends of
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Israel. Is there anything anything you
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happening with friends of Israel?
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Anything you want to tell us about what they're doing?
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What you're doing? Yeah Christian friends of
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Israel. Look the mammoth do you know
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Israel, a very much involved in resettling a lot of the
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Ukrainian refugees from Russia. Okay.
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And there's a steady stream of refugees Russian ukrainians,
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coming back into the land. So, we're very busy over there
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at the moment, trying to settle these people in getting along
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side of them. So that's our main focus at the
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moment. Yep.
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As long as it. Yeah.
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It's well as all the other work that we're doing there, but this
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is a major We're raising finances and sending them to
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Israel and people in strobing very generous and responding and
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that that help them settle in and then gives us an opportunity
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to share the love of God with them and okay?
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And if anyone wants to help support, what would they what?
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Hannah need to? Just let us know, because you're
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friends of Israel. You give me his contact us.
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You can just drop me an email with see if I Australia at
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hotmail.com. Tom and I can get any
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information. You want to see if I Australia
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help with those details in the output that is on the chat.
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They run for anyone to to contact you and then do that for
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what we do and everything I can. I can share that would be
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fantastic. Final thing.
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Is I just wanted if you could just just explain to people the
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importance of why Christ is so important and Yeah and we'll
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just wrap it up your. I often hear people talking
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about, you know, these poor person and these poor people and
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all these thing. Well the bottom line is people
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need Christ. The only thing that's going to
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change a person's life and their circumstances and their
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situations is Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's been the message
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right from the very beginning of.
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It's still the message today, it's not government's, it's not
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handouts. It's it's not mandates, it's not
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masks, it's not vaccines, it's not anything.
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That man is proposing to do, you know?
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Jesus Christ is the answer. Yeah and you need to know Christ
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and the reason you need to know Christ is because he offers life
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not only like now but eternal life and this life is coming to
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an end very quickly as you know it's all getting older and we
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all feel it. We know that we're mortal.
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Yeah. But what's going to happen
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afterwards and that's what we've got to say.
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Here and now and the only way we can do that is through knowing
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Christ because he is the way the truth and the life and without
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Christ, there's no hope for eternity.
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Let alone for surviving in this crazy world, which is getting
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crazy for every day. So we need Jesus Christ.
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Thanks very well, said pastor, Pastor Patrick, thanks very much
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again for for joining us and we will definitely stay in contact,
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obviously, and have you again. When the time thank you.
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Faster are recognized and thanks man.