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Credlin | 13 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandlin live on Skyings Australia.
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Speaker 2: God e being great to have your coming. We're kicking
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Speaker 2: off a budget week here on Kredline. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight. More proof than Labour hold voters in contemporary
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Speaker 2: wose effectively a carbon tax being introduced by stealth. That's
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Speaker 2: despite you voting Tony Abottin to repeal the Gillard carve tax,
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Speaker 2: which of course he did. And wait till I tell
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Speaker 2: you how much they now have price to carbon, how
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Speaker 2: much per ton and how much it's also going to
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Speaker 2: hit your power bills. In one vote, the Labor Party
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Speaker 2: has undone almost eight decades of bipartisanship on Israel, not
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Speaker 2: to mention betraying Australia's Jewish community. Yes, the PM has
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Speaker 2: always been a bit of a pro Palestidian activist since
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Speaker 2: his UNI days, but there's no denying that the Muslim
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Speaker 2: vote in key electorates is now driving Australia's foreign policy
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Speaker 2: ass how the student visa systems being used as backdoor
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Speaker 2: roots to citizenship with you, the first is sector complicit
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Speaker 2: in exploiting loopholes that have now seen a record number
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Speaker 2: of students applying to stay in Australia and with the
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Speaker 2: budget now twenty four hours awage in charmers under pressure
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Speaker 2: to save labour's sinking popularity. But how does he deliver
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Speaker 2: the handouts that labor love without spiking inflation and causing
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Speaker 2: more pain.
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Speaker 1: I'm scratching my head and looking at those announcements that
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Speaker 1: have already been made and wondering which ones of those
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Speaker 1: are actually driving inflation down. What they're trying to do
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Speaker 1: is mask over what are the drivers of inflation with
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Speaker 1: short term spending without addressing the fundamental policy lavers that'll
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Speaker 1: address them.
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Speaker 2: We'll also giving that new job in China for Daniel
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Speaker 2: Andrews a bit later on in the show. But first,
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Speaker 2: one of the oldest tricks in the book is to
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Speaker 2: try and shape the reception of a budget by judicious
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Speaker 2: leaks beforehand. Now for this to work, though, there's got
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Speaker 2: to be a clear message, and the albit Easy government's
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Speaker 2: pre budget leaks are anything but clear to the markets.
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Speaker 2: The government's saying that it'll be a budget of astraint
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Speaker 2: that will complement the work of the Reserve Bank to
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Speaker 2: rein back inflation, but to vote as though the message
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Speaker 2: is cost of living relief, because that's clearly the number
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Speaker 2: one issue for the Australian people, even though we every
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Speaker 2: government dollar they spend is a dollar from your pocket,
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Speaker 2: either taking his taxes today or taxes tomorrow. With the debt,
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Speaker 2: which is what we've borrowed as a country, has to
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Speaker 2: be repaid now. It might have been different when Paul
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Speaker 2: Ketting was Treasurer and Peter Walsh was his Finance Minister.
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Speaker 2: But Labour's basic approach is to spend your money to
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Speaker 2: try and buy back your vote. And because the big
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Speaker 2: spending is in Labour's DNA, this budget won't deliver cost
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Speaker 2: of living relief vileless spending that gets interest rates down,
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Speaker 2: it's dead. It'll be more spending to subsidize power bills
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Speaker 2: and to subsidize rents, if all the leaks from the
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Speaker 2: weekend are to be believed. Today's latest leak was supposed
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Speaker 2: to prove that more spending was not inflationary. That's because,
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Speaker 2: says Labor, subsidizing power bills and rents reduces prices, it
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Speaker 2: doesn't raise them. And because the Reserve Bank didn't know
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Speaker 2: about Labour's cunning plan, its inflation forecasts are higher than
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Speaker 2: the government's.
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Speaker 3: Now that's not good We've got the RBA.
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Speaker 2: Timmy that inflation will be at three point eight percent
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Speaker 2: by Christmas and three point two.
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Speaker 3: Percent by the middle of next year.
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Speaker 2: The Treasury Department, which of course has the treasurer as
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Speaker 2: its boss, well, it thinks inflation will in fact be
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Speaker 2: a lot lower, at just two point seventy five percent
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Speaker 2: for the whole of the current financial year.
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Speaker 3: That's a big difference.
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Speaker 2: It's an alarming difference between our central Bank and our
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Speaker 2: central economic department. One the bank that isn't second guest
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Speaker 2: by politicians, and the other Treasury, which of course is
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Speaker 2: now Basic economics tells you that government subsidies increase total
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Speaker 2: spending because they free up spending that would otherwise go
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Speaker 2: on the subsidized items. That's why the RBA's forecasts are
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Speaker 2: more credible than the governments, and that's why tomorrow Night's
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Speaker 2: spending spree will make inflation worse, not better, and keep
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Speaker 2: interest rates higher for longer. Mind you, higher interest rates
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Speaker 2: make homes less affordable, and that drives one of labour's
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Speaker 2: other key objectives, namely to turn us into a nation
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Speaker 2: of renters rather than owners, because renters are more likely
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Speaker 2: to be habitual labor voters, with power bills up nearly
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Speaker 2: forty percent under this labor government and mortgage repayments almost
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Speaker 2: doubling with real wages falling. This is a government plainly
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Speaker 2: in a lot of political trouble. Adding the foreign criminals
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Speaker 2: debarkle and the ups surge of people smuggling with the
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Speaker 2: latest yet another boat of asylum seekers reported today, and
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Speaker 2: the Obanizi government is looking weak in Labour's traditional areas
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Speaker 2: of weakness, economic management and national security. Polling on the
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Speaker 2: weekend had the PM's favorability rating minus eight compared to
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Speaker 2: plus four for Opposition leader Peter Dutton. As well, Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanese's better PM lead has now shrunk to just four points,
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Speaker 2: throwing Labour's chronic inability to grasp that it's a productive economy,
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Speaker 2: not the government that creates wealth. And this budget's going
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Speaker 2: to make the government's problems a whole lot worse. It's
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Speaker 2: going to damage the economy, not strengthen it. Last week,
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Speaker 2: for instance, the government decreed that the live sheep trade
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Speaker 2: would end in four years time. On top of Labour's
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Speaker 2: measures to stop logging and close down the forestry industry.
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Speaker 2: This is yet another productive industry that labor will end
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Speaker 2: in order to appease the Green Left, and contrary to
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Speaker 2: Green left prejudice expanding the so called care economy, it's
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Speaker 2: not going to make our country richer either. More ndis workers,
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Speaker 2: more nurses, more childcare staff, even more teachers. As worthy
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Speaker 2: as they all might be, they're all subsidized by taxpayers.
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Speaker 2: And fine, whether the economy is tracking well, but it's
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Speaker 2: a massive increase to our debt burdened when it's not.
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Speaker 3: But if labor wants more unionized workers, then that's where
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Speaker 3: they'll go.
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Speaker 2: Sadly, the worst the economy gets, the more likely it
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Speaker 2: is that Label will be forced into minority government at
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Speaker 2: the next election, and that would mean even more power
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Speaker 2: to the Greens who want to immediately close down our
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Speaker 2: two biggest export industries, coal and gas, despite the hundreds
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Speaker 2: of billions that will see in the budget from these.
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Speaker 3: Two exports tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: All of this makes Budget Week this week absolutely critical
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Speaker 2: to Australia's future, not just the politics of the current
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Speaker 2: term of Parliament, but our nation's economic fundamentals and how
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Speaker 2: we pay our way.
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Speaker 3: As a country.
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Speaker 2: Look in voting over the weekend to support the admission
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Speaker 2: of Palestine to the United Nations, the Almeneza government is
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Speaker 2: rewarding terrorism and breaking almost eight decades are settled by
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Speaker 2: partisan support for Israel. It was, after all, Labour's greatest
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, Bob Hawk who declared that if the bell
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Speaker 2: tolls for Israel, it tolls for all mankind. On October seven,
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Speaker 2: it did, indeed toll if. The Australian government's ultimate response
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Speaker 2: to this barbarity has been to favor a terrorist statelet
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Speaker 2: of the only liberal democracy in the Middle East. In
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Speaker 2: voting yes, notwithstanding opposition from the US and the UK's abstention.
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Speaker 2: The Almenezer government claimed to be upholding Australia's long standing
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Speaker 2: support for a two state solution, but this was always
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Speaker 2: predicated on the Palestinians excepting Israel's right to exist behind
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Speaker 2: secure borders, something that no Palestinian leader has ever really done,
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Speaker 2: and which is now implacably opposed by the dominant Hamas faction.
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Speaker 2: That is, and let's never forget this, a designated terrorist
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Speaker 2: organization in Australia and in much of the Western world.
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Speaker 2: The federal government's dramatic departure from all previous practice shows. First, then,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albaneze is hardly grown up from the student radical
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Speaker 2: who marched for Palestine forty years or so ago. Even
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Speaker 2: when he entered the Parliament, he kept up his activism.
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Speaker 4: Israel trulent children, oh wesh, helicopter projects.
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Speaker 2: As second, that the dominant intellectual force and this government
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Speaker 2: is Penny Wong. Hence it's week on China and soft
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Speaker 2: on national security more generally, and so that Labor is
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Speaker 2: terrified of the electoral potential of Muslim vote, which in
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Speaker 2: some key Labor seats is as high as thirty percent plus.
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Speaker 2: And because activists Muslims support the Greens is the most
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Speaker 2: anti Israel party, Labour's getting closer to the Greens on
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Speaker 2: both national security and on economics to claw these votes back,
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Speaker 2: which is bad for Australia but horrific for anyone who
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Speaker 2: believes government should never turn the blind eye to terrorism.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Parliament doesn't sit today.
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Speaker 2: It all kicks off tomorrow in Budget week, but we'll
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Speaker 2: go there now for the headlines with cam Reddin Good Evening.
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Speaker 5: Tomorrow's budget will forecast inflation to fall below three percent
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Speaker 5: by Christmas, more than a year ahead of the Reserve
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Speaker 5: Bank's schedule.
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Speaker 3: This will be a.
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Speaker 6: Night of which you can all be very very proud.
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Speaker 5: Treasury inflation to fall from three point six percent now
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Speaker 5: to two point seven five percent by December, a full
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Speaker 5: point lower than forecast by the RBA.
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Speaker 4: Treasury in the Reserve Bank less than a week apart,
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Speaker 4: they're saying quite different things about where inflation is headed.
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Speaker 5: A third asylum seeker boat has been stopped from reaching
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Speaker 5: the Australian mainland in the past week. Sky News has
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Speaker 5: confirmed a boat carrying four asylum seekers originally from Vietnam,
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Speaker 5: was intercepted off the coast of Broome on Friday. It
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Speaker 5: follows earlier boat arrivals on Christmas Island and Sybi Islands
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Speaker 5: in the Torres Strait.
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Speaker 3: We are we're seeing people, smugglers testing the government.
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Speaker 1: They see the weakness in Anthony Abernezi, the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 1: in Claire O'Neill and Andrew Giles.
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Speaker 5: International student places at universities will be capped as part
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Speaker 5: of the government's plan to cut net migration in half.
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Speaker 5: Limits would be set for each university as part of
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Speaker 5: the government's plan to reduce net migration from five hundred
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Speaker 5: and twenty eight thousand last year to two hundred and
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Speaker 5: sixty thousand in twenty twenty five universities will be able
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Speaker 5: to exceed the cap, but only if they build additional
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Speaker 5: student accommodation. South Australia will move to ban children under
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Speaker 5: fourteen from using or accessing social media. It is causing
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Speaker 5: significant harm to young people's mental health. It would be
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Speaker 5: the first ban of its kind in Australia, following similar
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Speaker 5: action from Florida's Governor.
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Speaker 6: Ron decentis that tech addiction is doing no different to
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Speaker 6: your frontal lobe damage than one of your children being
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Speaker 6: on an ice pipe.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll get cross those stories and more. Let's
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Speaker 2: bring national Letters of the Australian. Dennis Shanahan. Well, it's
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Speaker 2: a big week, as we know, Federal budget tomorrow, Dennis.
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Speaker 2: In recent years, though it's not the sugar hit it
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Speaker 2: used to be back in the Costello Howard era, it's
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Speaker 2: still important, of course, the gaman's fortunes, particularly when they're
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Speaker 2: struggling as much as they are, and of course a
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Speaker 2: pretty important job to deliver this dual headed hydra there
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Speaker 2: for the treasurer. Cost of the relief, he says, on
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Speaker 2: one hand, but everything he does will not spike inflation.
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Speaker 3: Do you think he can do it well?
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Speaker 6: He's got a very tough job. And as you say,
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Speaker 6: it's a long time since we had beer and SIGs
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Speaker 6: up budgets. The budgets are much more complex and more
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Speaker 6: difficult economic documents these days. But look, I think one
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Speaker 6: of the problems that Jim Chalmers has is that he's
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Speaker 6: offered to cut inflation and at the same time to
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Speaker 6: deliver cost of living relief, and at the same time
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Speaker 6: there is a huge amount of spending that the government's
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Speaker 6: been out there, spending a billion dollars a day on
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Speaker 6: all sorts of things, and all of these things are inconsistent,
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Speaker 6: particularly for the longer term. Australia faces structural deficits, a
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Speaker 6: decade of deficits largely, and what we're looking at at
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Speaker 6: the moment is some short term relief spending for the
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Speaker 6: short term cost of living relief and a short term surplus,
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Speaker 6: but in the longer term very much more difficult economic outlook.
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Speaker 3: We know the Prime Minister said he wouldn't touch those
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Speaker 3: stages through tax cuts. He did.
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Speaker 2: He bore the brunt for the broken promise, the treasurer apparently,
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Speaker 2: and one of them scrapped for a long time.
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Speaker 3: He got his way.
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Speaker 2: I'll get to this issue on the un and Penny
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Speaker 2: Wong and her influence in a moment. But I mean
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Speaker 2: looking at the budget tomorrow and looking at what we
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Speaker 2: know in terms of leaks, how much of this budget
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Speaker 2: is Jim Charmers and how much does it sort of
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Speaker 2: bear a resemblance to the Prime Minister's economic character The
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Speaker 2: Howard government budgets, you know, they started out being Howard
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Speaker 2: budgets with a bit of costello. I think absolutely by
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Speaker 2: the end they were Costello budgets. Where do we sit
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Speaker 2: now with the Charmers legacy?
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Speaker 6: Oh well, look, I think for a start, the selling
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Speaker 6: of the budget has been almost incomplete. Jim Charmers, the
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister, has been around the country announcing various giveaways
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Speaker 6: for roads and highways and hospitals and schools and all
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Speaker 6: that sort of stuff. But Jim Charmers has been the
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Speaker 6: one with the narrative about the budget itself. Now this
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Speaker 6: narrative has shifted a little bit, but it's about a
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Speaker 6: political message from Jim Charmers saying that he's going to
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Speaker 6: reduce the cost of living and he's not going to
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Speaker 6: have a spike of inflation with his new unorthodox or
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Speaker 6: new orthodoxy of Economic Management. We'll see how it goes,
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Speaker 6: but I think at the moment Jim Charmers is actually
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Speaker 6: controlling the budget narrative.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's go this vote at the UN, the General
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Speaker 2: Assembly on Friday. The resolution passed and it declares, quote,
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Speaker 2: the State of Palestine has qualified for membership in the
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Speaker 2: United Nations. We know there's no such thing as the
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Speaker 2: State of Palestine. What we've got, at least in Gaza
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Speaker 2: is a city run by a listed terror organization. The
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Speaker 2: other area, the West Bank, another group. All together, there's
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Speaker 2: been widespread condemnation of the government for reversing Labour's.
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Speaker 3: Pri position here of Abstenson.
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Speaker 2: I think it was twenty twelve under Julia Gillar the
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Speaker 2: last time this came up it was an abstension vote.
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Speaker 2: Then that's precisely what the UK did. The US voted
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Speaker 2: against this measure, we voted for it. We've junked Now,
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Speaker 2: what's seven decades of bipartisanship and we've rewarded terrorism with
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Speaker 2: the vote on Friday.
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Speaker 3: That's the view of the critics. Dennis, I have to say,
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Speaker 3: it's hard not to disagree with them.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's very difficult to disagree with the
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Speaker 6: idea that what has happened is that Hamas has been
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Speaker 6: rewarded in its attempts to destroy the peace talks between
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Speaker 6: Saudi Arabia and Israel. They have actually bite the atrocities
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Speaker 6: that they committed on October seven last year. They have
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Speaker 6: turned the UN against Israel. Not that Israel was particularly
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Speaker 6: in armored of the UN or the UN of Israel,
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Speaker 6: but popular movements have grown up around the world, including
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Speaker 6: in Australia, and this has all been a benefit to
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Speaker 6: Harmas to have the Australian government, which was the first
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Speaker 6: government in the first country in the world to vote
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Speaker 6: for the state of Israel at the UN seventy five
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Speaker 6: years ago, under the leadership of a former labor leader
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Speaker 6: and a proud tradition carried on by Bill Hayden Bob Hawke.
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Speaker 6: And so what we're seeing here is the trashing of
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Speaker 6: seventy five years of bipartisanship. And there is no way
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Speaker 6: that this can be argued as to be anything else
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Speaker 6: rather than an appeasement to her musk and a victory
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Speaker 6: for terror.
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Speaker 2: What does it say about Penny Wong though, and her
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Speaker 2: relationship inside the governor power inside the cabinet, because when
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Speaker 2: she flagged this in a speech about a month or
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Speaker 2: so ago.
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Speaker 3: There was a visceral reaction to it.
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Speaker 2: Now the PM came out quickly he sort of said
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Speaker 2: nothing to see here, cold water on the idea, said.
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Speaker 3: That Labour's position hadn't changed.
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Speaker 2: Now, clearly he was either lying back then and he
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Speaker 2: knew this was coming. And we know there's a long
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Speaker 2: lead time on these negotiations in the UN, as you
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Speaker 2: and I both know for ambassadors or the Prime minister's
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Speaker 2: been rolled.
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Speaker 6: What is it, Dennis, Well, look, there is no doubt
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Speaker 6: that this was a long term, calculated policy. Before the election,
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Speaker 6: we had the national conference of the ALP change its policy.
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Speaker 6: It was then just said, oh no, so it doesn't
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Speaker 6: really count. We're just doing it to keep things quiet.
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Speaker 6: Then Penny Wong gave a speech which immediately showed there
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Speaker 6: was going to be a change in labor policy. The
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister then used the same language that he had
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Speaker 6: used in the when the tax changes were being put up,
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Speaker 6: saying oh, we haven't changed them. He didn't say, oh,
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Speaker 6: by the way, we're actually thinking about this. And more
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Speaker 6: importantly what we've seen here is, of course Pennywong has
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Speaker 6: a very powerful position in the cabinet and her position
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Speaker 6: on this policy has actually prevailed. But what we are
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Speaker 6: seeing is an inability of this government to actually argue
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Speaker 6: a case. If they wanted to change the policy, why
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Speaker 6: didn't they put it out there as Penny Wong did
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Speaker 6: a month ago, and say we are changing it, and
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Speaker 6: argue and take in the Australian public the Jewish community
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Speaker 6: as well, and say this is why we are doing it. Instead,
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Speaker 6: they effectively mislead the public and say, oh, we haven't
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Speaker 6: changed our position because it didn't change until they voted
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Speaker 6: in the UN. This is a very weak approach to
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Speaker 6: public policy and it's a repudiation of the handling of
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Speaker 6: this whole issue by both the Prime Minister and the
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Speaker 6: Foreign Minister. They should have been upfront, it's what they
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Speaker 6: wanted well convinced the Australian people that it was the
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Speaker 6: right thing to do. I think the way they've gone
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Speaker 6: around about it, apart from the fact I think it
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Speaker 6: was the wrong decision, they haven't actually convinced too many
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Speaker 6: people at all that they've behaved properly.
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Speaker 2: It's shrew denis for you to pick up the gutlessness
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Speaker 2: in terms of their advocacy for their position. I think
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Speaker 2: people will accept and John Howard had plenty of these
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Speaker 2: where the government needed to change position, where they needed
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Speaker 2: to go down a course that perhaps wasn't popular at
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Speaker 2: the start, but they were happy enough to argue it out.
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Speaker 2: This government is known and I were not doing it.
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Speaker 2: Nothing to see here until such time it changes in
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Speaker 2: the middle of the night. I think that's one of
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Speaker 2: the problems they've got. They've got a problem there on
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Speaker 2: the carbon tax. We'll get to that at a moment
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Speaker 2: with another guest. But just before we go, three boats,
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Speaker 2: three illegal boat arrivals on or near our shores in
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Speaker 2: just the last week. We went through those in the
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Speaker 2: package a moment ago. But it's hard to deny on
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Speaker 2: our Dennis's people snagglers, they are back in business.
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Speaker 6: Well, if you'll forgive the pun. There's a definitely testing
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Speaker 6: the waters. And I think given that the last three
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Speaker 6: boats in this last week, only two, sorry, only one
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Speaker 6: of the three was actually detected on the water by
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Speaker 6: aerial surveillance. One group arrived in the Torres Strait island
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Speaker 6: had already been on land, and in the other group
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Speaker 6: the boat had failed was the only reason it was
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Speaker 6: picked up on the Cocos Island. So what we're actually
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Speaker 6: looking at is a obvious, obvious testing by people smugglers
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Speaker 6: to test our borders, to test the physical ability for
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Speaker 6: us to stop people coming, and the moral strength of
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Speaker 6: the government to say we will not allow people to
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Speaker 6: stay and to send them back.
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Speaker 2: And of course if you're a rapist or a criminal
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Speaker 2: or anyone who refuses to go home, you get to
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Speaker 2: stay here on welfare. And that's the stored of story
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Speaker 2: that's going around the world into these people smuggling networks.
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Speaker 3: Tennis, have a good budget week. We'll catch up with
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Speaker 3: you next week. Right.
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Speaker 2: More on Australias shock support at the un over the weekend.
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Speaker 2: I'm joined now by the President of the Australian Jewish Association,
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Speaker 2: David Adler. Well, we've ventilated a bit of this horror
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Speaker 2: vote over the weekend then with Dennis Shanahan, and he
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Speaker 2: makes the point that there's a real guartlessness of the
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Speaker 2: federal government. The Prime Minister of course went out and
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Speaker 2: said there was no change in position. About a month
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Speaker 2: ago when Penny Joe gave a speech said we were
21:55
Speaker 2: headed down this end and there was no change. There
22:00
Speaker 2: was change on Friday night that's the problem. How does
22:03
Speaker 2: the Jewish community react after this.
22:05
Speaker 4: Vote, Peter, As you would expect, the Jewish community is shocked, devastated, angry,
22:16
Speaker 4: But most of all, there is a feeling of real
22:20
Speaker 4: betrayal from our government. Not only has it turned on Israel,
22:26
Speaker 4: our only democratic ally in the Middle East, it has
22:29
Speaker 4: turned on the Jewish people. This will undoubtedly fuel the
22:36
Speaker 4: hostility that we see on places like the university campuses.
22:40
Speaker 4: It will embolden more anti Semitism. It has also betrayed
22:48
Speaker 4: our important allies in aucus with the United States and
22:53
Speaker 4: the United Kingdom. Australia is now isolated as the only
22:59
Speaker 4: country which has voted in favor of this resolution. Finally,
23:05
Speaker 4: it has betrayed the Australian people. It is contrary to
23:09
Speaker 4: our values to align this country with Ramas. It is
23:15
Speaker 4: handing a reward to the terrorists. It's like Australia is
23:21
Speaker 4: serving the terrorists. We don't mind that you were murderers, rapers,
23:27
Speaker 4: took hostages, the most barbaric acts, killed the most Jews
23:33
Speaker 4: since in one day since the Holocaust. That doesn't matter.
23:37
Speaker 4: We will support you because that's what it signals.
23:42
Speaker 2: We're missing some countries there on that graphic I put
23:44
Speaker 2: up about those who voted against this motion. We're missing,
23:49
Speaker 2: of course, the United States and others who were nine
23:51
Speaker 2: in all. But we broke with our major allies. We
23:54
Speaker 2: broke with the United States, and we broke with Britain
23:57
Speaker 2: and Canada. That's what I can't underst and I also
24:01
Speaker 2: can't on stamping am Dennis's point why the government didn't
24:04
Speaker 2: go out and argue at least try and attempt to
24:07
Speaker 2: argue why this was necessary for Australia to junk seventy
24:11
Speaker 2: years of bipartisanship on this policy. I felt gutted over
24:16
Speaker 2: the weekend, David, when I saw this play out. I
24:18
Speaker 2: was watching most of the coverage on Saturday morning. Your community,
24:23
Speaker 2: you know, beyond all the officials that you deal with,
24:26
Speaker 2: how does it ordinary Jewish Australian feel. It's been a
24:30
Speaker 2: very rugged eight or so months now, but after this
24:33
Speaker 2: vote by their own government, how do they feel?
24:38
Speaker 3: Well?
24:38
Speaker 4: More and more we see a hostility frankly to Israel.
24:44
Speaker 4: We see a failure to deal with some of the
24:47
Speaker 4: social problems, and notably the rising anti Semitism is a
24:53
Speaker 4: terrible problem. We see the weakness in dealing with the
24:57
Speaker 4: issues on the university campus. And I know you've commented
25:00
Speaker 4: on this before and you alluded to the fact that
25:05
Speaker 4: in some electorates there is in some labor electorates there's
25:10
Speaker 4: a significant Muslim vote. Well, pretty well top of the
25:13
Speaker 4: chart is the Minister for Education, Chason Claire in his
25:16
Speaker 4: seat of Blaxland, which has over thirty percent Muslims. And
25:21
Speaker 4: you've got to ask the question, is that part of
25:24
Speaker 4: the reason while why he fails to act and discharge
25:29
Speaker 4: his responsibility to make sure that all groups of students
25:34
Speaker 4: feel safe on our university campuses. We think it's a
25:37
Speaker 4: real tragedy. There is a sense of betrayal and I
25:42
Speaker 4: don't know how to put it stronger than that this
25:45
Speaker 4: is not the Australia that we recognized a few years ago.
25:52
Speaker 2: You make mention those while on university protests. We've obviously
25:54
Speaker 2: seen the police come into campuses overseas, but not in Australia.
25:59
Speaker 2: Over the week, Jennifer western Kotto, who people will know
26:02
Speaker 2: from her former job with the Business Counsel of Australia.
26:05
Speaker 2: She's now the Vice chancellor of Western City University. She
26:08
Speaker 2: came out very strongly condemned these protests and anti Semitism.
26:13
Speaker 2: But the head of Melbourne UNI, the chancellor there, Jane Hansen, Well,
26:16
Speaker 2: she refused to call out any specific antisemitism crisis within
26:21
Speaker 2: a higher education You've mentioned they're Jason Clare, You're kinder
26:25
Speaker 2: than me. I think he's absolutely motivated by the constituency
26:29
Speaker 2: in his seat.
26:30
Speaker 3: I think he's absolutely motivated by that. And we know too.
26:34
Speaker 2: On a number of university campuses, staff were told don't
26:37
Speaker 2: confront protests. If they barge their way into your classroom,
26:41
Speaker 2: let them have their say. Now, why on earth should
26:44
Speaker 2: any student who wants an education, particularly a Jewish student,
26:48
Speaker 2: be forced to put up with this in the lecture
26:50
Speaker 2: theater or in the tutorial room. One thing to protest outside, David,
26:54
Speaker 2: why should be brought into the classroom.
26:58
Speaker 4: Well, you're right, and you've got to ask the question.
27:01
Speaker 4: Are our universities to be centers of education or are
27:06
Speaker 4: they to be primarily centers of radical activism and indeed
27:11
Speaker 4: anti Australian activism. And it's fine for people to have
27:16
Speaker 4: a different perspective on political issues, but there are certain
27:21
Speaker 4: lines which these groups have clearly crossed. When you are
27:25
Speaker 4: chanting for an into farda, you are expressing support for
27:30
Speaker 4: a violent uprising against Jews. That's what an intero farda is.
27:36
Speaker 4: It involved murder, knife attacks, bombs, suicide bombings of civilians,
27:45
Speaker 4: of buses. It's a mass murder program. That's what an
27:48
Speaker 4: intervarda is. And if the university administration allows teaching to
27:54
Speaker 4: be disrupted with calls of into varda, they are giving
27:59
Speaker 4: the waves through for incitement of violence against the Jews,
28:04
Speaker 4: against the Jewish students. That's running too fader is. There
28:09
Speaker 4: is no excuse for it in this country. It is
28:12
Speaker 4: not an expression of a political opinion.
28:16
Speaker 2: It is.
28:18
Speaker 4: An expression of support for a program.
28:22
Speaker 2: Of violence, as terrific as it is. You're absolutely right,
28:26
Speaker 2: David Adler. Thank you for your time. I wish the
28:29
Speaker 2: result had gone the other way, and I know a
28:30
Speaker 2: lot of Australians stand with the Jewish community.
28:32
Speaker 3: After that vote.
28:33
Speaker 2: All right, after the break, will we joined by the
28:35
Speaker 2: Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor.
28:37
Speaker 3: I want to know.
28:37
Speaker 2: What he will be looking for in tomorrow night's budget. Plus,
28:41
Speaker 2: with little fanfare, it would appear that Labor and the
28:43
Speaker 2: States have reintroduced to carbon tax, this time by stealth.
28:46
Speaker 2: I'll explain how they're doing it and what impact you'll
28:48
Speaker 2: have on your power bill in a moment. Welcome backs
28:56
Speaker 2: still become Labour's carbon tax introduced by stealth. It could
28:59
Speaker 2: see your power bills skyrocket. This secret tax is now
29:03
Speaker 2: exposed and we'll explain just how they're doing it. But first,
29:06
Speaker 2: tomorrow night, the federal budget, a surplus is predicted, not
29:10
Speaker 2: because the treach has done the hard yards, but because
29:12
Speaker 2: our iron ore is in demand and prices are at
29:14
Speaker 2: record highs. Labour struggling in the post, so Jim Chalmers
29:18
Speaker 2: will want to spend that big but that's precisely what
29:20
Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank government is urging him not to do,
29:24
Speaker 2: or he risks spiking inflation and yet another round of
29:27
Speaker 2: rate increases.
29:28
Speaker 3: For more and a preview of what we can.
29:30
Speaker 2: Expect tomorrow night, Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor joins me now
29:34
Speaker 2: and Gus, we're looking, as I said, at a surplus
29:36
Speaker 2: tomorrow night. But it's a surface built on the fact
29:38
Speaker 2: we're now selling our iron ore for prices in excess
29:41
Speaker 2: of one hundred dollars a ton. Now, if we weren't,
29:44
Speaker 2: there would be no surface. So this is not a
29:47
Speaker 2: surface build and good luck is it. Sorry, it is
29:49
Speaker 2: a surplus built on good luck, isn't it, rather than
29:52
Speaker 2: good sound economic management?
29:56
Speaker 7: Exactly right, Peter. It's a windfall surplus, not a structure surplus,
30:01
Speaker 7: and not just high iron all prices, also higher coal
30:05
Speaker 7: and gas prices, which of course the commodities that this
30:08
Speaker 7: government has not shown a lot of love for. And
30:11
Speaker 7: also because inflation drives up the amount of personal income
30:16
Speaker 7: tax that people are paying, Peter. And what's happening here
30:20
Speaker 7: is the government is rating household budgets to bolster their budget,
30:25
Speaker 7: and of course that's why it's one of the reasons
30:27
Speaker 7: why Australians feel poorer than when Labor came to power.
30:34
Speaker 2: So that people at home understand the opposition, like the media,
30:38
Speaker 2: go into the lock up tomorrow about lunchtime, you get
30:41
Speaker 2: a complete set of the books, you get your hands
30:43
Speaker 2: on them for a period of time and you'll leave
30:45
Speaker 2: just before the Treasure hands down the budget in the
30:48
Speaker 2: speech and the chamber.
30:49
Speaker 3: You'll go into the chamber for that.
30:50
Speaker 2: So when you walk into the room tomorrow and get
30:53
Speaker 2: your hands on the books, where are you going to
30:55
Speaker 2: be looking at?
30:56
Speaker 3: First?
30:58
Speaker 7: Well, the first thing I'll look at, Peter, is whether
31:01
Speaker 7: there's a plan to beat Labour's homegrown inflation. We've seen
31:06
Speaker 7: inflation raging in this country, a seventeen percent increase in
31:10
Speaker 7: prices for working families on average, and we're looking to
31:15
Speaker 7: see a plan that beats that homegrown inflation. We haven't
31:19
Speaker 7: seen it so far. We've seen two budgets that have
31:21
Speaker 7: been flops in delivering higher standard of living for working Australians.
31:26
Speaker 7: We've seen a seven and a half percent reduction in
31:28
Speaker 7: Australians standard of living and many Australians really doing it
31:31
Speaker 7: tough now as a result of that. Peter, So we
31:34
Speaker 7: want a plan for restoration that means that the government
31:38
Speaker 7: has got a restrain it's spending. So far it's added
31:41
Speaker 7: two hundred and nine billion dollars of spending. Let's have
31:43
Speaker 7: a twenty thousand dollars for every Australian household. I'll bet
31:47
Speaker 7: there's not many households up there that feel as though
31:49
Speaker 7: they've seen any benefit from that. And we also want
31:52
Speaker 7: to see a pathway to longer term growth which is
31:56
Speaker 7: business led, particularly small business led, not led by government
32:00
Speaker 7: investment which has been their focus today.
32:04
Speaker 2: What about this discrepancy on inflation and the danger of
32:07
Speaker 2: inflation today between the Treasurer on one hand, and RBA
32:11
Speaker 2: and the governor on the other hand. Because on the
32:14
Speaker 2: side of the Governor who says it's a challenge, it
32:17
Speaker 2: remains a challenge. It would force them to use their
32:20
Speaker 2: lever of lifting rates if it isn't improved. Is also
32:23
Speaker 2: the IMF, is the OCD. On the other side, of course,
32:28
Speaker 2: is a treasurer saying nothing to see here. Those forecasts
32:30
Speaker 2: are wrong. It's actually going to come in lower. You
32:33
Speaker 2: and I have been around a while. We've seen plenty
32:35
Speaker 2: of a treasury forecasts that are a long way off
32:38
Speaker 2: the money. Are you concerned about inflation?
32:42
Speaker 7: No, absolutely, I mean and the Reserve Bank has set
32:45
Speaker 7: off the warning bells in the last couple of weeks. Meanwhile,
32:49
Speaker 7: the Treasurer has said that everybody's overreacting his words, overreacting
32:53
Speaker 7: to the inflation. Well, i'll tell you this home grew
32:56
Speaker 7: inflation that labor's brought about is causing so much pain
33:00
Speaker 7: across the board, not just an increase in prices, but
33:05
Speaker 7: it's actually helped to drive up the amount of tax
33:08
Speaker 7: that Australians are paying, and of course it's driven up
33:11
Speaker 7: interest rates. So the idea that people are overreacting to
33:14
Speaker 7: this inflation can only come from this treasurer, who I
33:18
Speaker 7: think is out of touch and doesn't really understand the
33:20
Speaker 7: economics of what households are facing right now.
33:26
Speaker 2: If I was in the lock up tomorrow, I'd be
33:27
Speaker 2: wanting to go straight to the immigration detail, because we
33:30
Speaker 2: know this is where the government has played around with
33:33
Speaker 2: the numbers to sort of inflate in an artificial sense GDP.
33:37
Speaker 2: At the other end, now, interesting to see how you're
33:40
Speaker 2: going to play this tomorrow, because they keep promising Australians
33:43
Speaker 2: who've had enough with the housing crisis, have had stuck
33:46
Speaker 2: in traffic, they're going to get these migration numbers down,
33:50
Speaker 2: but they've had to use it, as I said, to
33:52
Speaker 2: pump up their growth forecasts so that it'll come at
33:54
Speaker 2: a cost. Either end of this seesaw, where do you
33:58
Speaker 2: think this is going to go?
34:00
Speaker 3: Well, you're absolutely right.
34:01
Speaker 7: So right now we are in a GDP per person recession.
34:05
Speaker 7: That's our household excuse me, that's our household recession that
34:09
Speaker 7: people are feeling right now, and that's big part of
34:12
Speaker 7: the reason why people feel poorer. And so the only
34:14
Speaker 7: way they've been able to bolster their overall growth figures
34:17
Speaker 7: is by growing the immigration numbers now they got up
34:21
Speaker 7: to over five hundred and thirty thousand last year. I mean,
34:25
Speaker 7: that's extraordinary number.
34:27
Speaker 1: Peter.
34:27
Speaker 7: We're averaging closer to two hundred thousand when we were
34:31
Speaker 7: in government. And meanwhile we're not seeing the houses being
34:33
Speaker 7: built that are necessary for that kind of grath. So
34:38
Speaker 7: it's got completely out of whack. They keep saying they're
34:41
Speaker 7: doing something about it, but there's no sign of the
34:43
Speaker 7: numbers getting back to a sustainable balance, and there's certainly
34:47
Speaker 7: no sign of housing catching up with that huge growth
34:50
Speaker 7: in population.
34:53
Speaker 2: Angus I made have mentioned this at the top of
34:55
Speaker 2: the show, But the treasure today was saying is put
34:57
Speaker 2: billions of dollars aside in the budget for increases the
35:00
Speaker 2: wages of age care workers and childcare workers. This is
35:03
Speaker 2: all predicated on a decision from Fair Work Commissions saying
35:06
Speaker 2: the wages have got to go up now fair enough.
35:09
Speaker 2: These people aren't highly paid. They have had increases though
35:13
Speaker 2: in recent years. But they're all private businesses, right, they
35:16
Speaker 2: all many of them are not for profit, but plenty
35:19
Speaker 2: of them are for profit. Why on earth should tax
35:21
Speaker 2: payers pay the wages of anybody in a private business.
35:27
Speaker 7: Well, Peter, you know we all want to see the
35:29
Speaker 7: standard of living of all Australians go up, including age
35:32
Speaker 7: care workers of course, and childcare workers are so important
35:35
Speaker 7: to our economy. But the way to achieve that is
35:39
Speaker 7: to get lower inflation. That's the way you achieve it.
35:42
Speaker 7: And right now, with inflation raging, of course, it means
35:46
Speaker 7: that people are sitting there seeing that their bank balances
35:48
Speaker 7: are going backwards, the purchasing power and their pay packets
35:51
Speaker 7: are going backwards, and they want that addressed.
35:55
Speaker 3: Well.
35:55
Speaker 7: The way to address it is to fight and beat inflation.
35:58
Speaker 7: All roads lead to the same place, and it's the
36:01
Speaker 7: place that Labour's failed to think. It's the issue that
36:04
Speaker 7: Labour's failed to address. We've seen two budget flops, neither
36:09
Speaker 7: of them have dealt with this homegrown inflation that Labour's created,
36:13
Speaker 7: and we're going to see another one. The way it's going,
36:16
Speaker 7: I hope, I hope we do see a serious plan
36:20
Speaker 7: that's going to beat this home grown inflation. But all
36:23
Speaker 7: workers are suffering from that, including age care and childcare workers.
36:28
Speaker 2: Right, good luck tomorrow, angus. I know it's like grand
36:30
Speaker 2: final day for you. We'll watch it all closely and
36:33
Speaker 2: watching here on Sky News.
36:34
Speaker 3: Thank you for your.
36:34
Speaker 2: Time still become get more proof. Labor holds you in contempt.
36:39
Speaker 2: They've got that carbon tax coming in by stealth. It
36:42
Speaker 2: could add hundreds to your power bill. I'll explain what's
36:44
Speaker 2: happening in a moment. Plus a record number of foreign
36:47
Speaker 2: students they get here, then they apply to become citizens.
36:50
Speaker 3: It's a racket.
36:51
Speaker 2: It's more about immigration that education. A bit more on
36:55
Speaker 2: that latter too. Welcome back to the Carmen. Other hit
37:02
Speaker 2: on our farmers from the Labor Party with live exports
37:05
Speaker 2: now a band over the weekend. First, Tony Abbert elected
37:08
Speaker 2: in a landslide in twenty thirteen promising to repeal Julia
37:12
Speaker 2: Gillard's dreaded carbon tax, and of course he did. And
37:15
Speaker 2: they now, rather than tell you, they put one back in.
37:18
Speaker 2: The Albanezi government's joined with the States and done it
37:20
Speaker 2: all by stealth. That's the verdict to the new report
37:23
Speaker 2: from the Center for Independent Studies that has exposed this
37:27
Speaker 2: new carbon price introduced last year at sixty six dollars
37:31
Speaker 2: a ton, which by way of comparison, is more than
37:34
Speaker 2: double the price of the old Gillard era carbon tax.
37:38
Speaker 3: For Laurenis. I'm joined by one of the lead authors
37:40
Speaker 3: of the report.
37:41
Speaker 2: Energy policy director at the cis Aidan Morrison Aiden.
37:45
Speaker 3: Welcome.
37:47
Speaker 2: I'm always getting palpitations going back to carbon tax as
37:51
Speaker 2: I dealt with it for so long in opposition and
37:54
Speaker 2: then government. I think a lot of you as would
37:56
Speaker 2: be really surprised to know this is happening. Explain in
38:00
Speaker 2: how this new carbon tax or pricing mechanism actually works.
38:07
Speaker 8: Thanks Peter. Yes, this is a little bit convoluted. Actually,
38:10
Speaker 8: they don't call it attack, they've avoided doing that. They
38:12
Speaker 8: call it a value on emissions reductions, and that gives
38:15
Speaker 8: you a hint as to how it actually works. You see,
38:18
Speaker 8: normally a tax sort of penalizes you directly for emitting
38:22
Speaker 8: more carbon. In this case, so if you burn some
38:24
Speaker 8: petrol in your car, or you consume some sort of
38:26
Speaker 8: coal fight electricity, you pay a little bit extra on
38:29
Speaker 8: your bill for that emission right there. And then this
38:32
Speaker 8: one's quite different, and the hint is that it's in
38:34
Speaker 8: a value. They've basically created an incentive where they can
38:38
Speaker 8: pay more money to private companies for their proposals to
38:42
Speaker 8: reduce your emissions indirectly. So that means that transmission companies
38:46
Speaker 8: and distribution companies, if they can come up with larger
38:49
Speaker 8: projects that cost more money that they believe will reduce
38:52
Speaker 8: carbon emissions eventually by inducing you, for example, to go
38:55
Speaker 8: and buy electric car or consumer less electricity, or for
38:58
Speaker 8: more wind farms and soul arms to be built. They
39:01
Speaker 8: can basically raise the money for that project in confidence,
39:04
Speaker 8: knowing they can send the bill straight to the consumer,
39:07
Speaker 8: so it gets added to your electricity price. Now after
39:10
Speaker 8: they propose a big project to try to change the
39:13
Speaker 8: way that electricity is generated in Australia.
39:17
Speaker 3: So so hang on you.
39:18
Speaker 2: You're giving us the correlation between this pricing mechanism let's
39:23
Speaker 2: call it that is simpler than their nomenclature, and the
39:26
Speaker 2: pass through to consumers. You've done a bit of modeling
39:29
Speaker 2: on that, the way in which it will hit our
39:31
Speaker 2: power bills tell us more.
39:36
Speaker 3: That's right.
39:36
Speaker 8: So what this does is it opens the floodgates to
39:39
Speaker 8: new proposals. We don't know exactly how fast they'll come in,
39:42
Speaker 8: but if enough proposals came in straight away, the power
39:45
Speaker 8: prices could rise about eight hundred and fifty dollars per
39:48
Speaker 8: year on the average household bill. Now we know that
39:50
Speaker 8: all the projects to a beta way, our missions won't
39:52
Speaker 8: come in instantly. In practice, they are going to come
39:55
Speaker 8: in slowly over the next five ten years perhaps, But
39:58
Speaker 8: the longer they're delayed, the higher the ceiling goes, so
40:01
Speaker 8: the more that prices can actually increase. So if all
40:04
Speaker 8: the projects were approved in say fifteen years time, it
40:07
Speaker 8: could be more like a thirteen hundred dollars increase on
40:09
Speaker 8: electricity bills. So what we're likely facing is a gradual
40:12
Speaker 8: ramp up and electricity price that could see electricity prices
40:16
Speaker 8: something not quite double, but something like that under this proposal,
40:20
Speaker 8: if new proposals are found to try to abate emissions
40:23
Speaker 8: through this mechanism, and of course.
40:27
Speaker 2: This is on top of all the other money we're
40:29
Speaker 2: going to pay as a path through on renewables, you know,
40:31
Speaker 2: the cost of all these new transmission towels and lines
40:35
Speaker 2: going out there, and solar panels and wind farms and
40:38
Speaker 2: all the other stuff that's coming into the network. This
40:40
Speaker 2: is an addition to all of that, isn't it.
40:46
Speaker 3: Well, there's some complexity there.
40:47
Speaker 8: There's a kind of a small gas board of different
40:49
Speaker 8: mechanisms that have been introduced now and in this case,
40:52
Speaker 8: this one is kind of the mechanism they're going to
40:54
Speaker 8: use to make all those transmission lines and distribution potentially
40:58
Speaker 8: neighborhood batteries, community any batteries. They call them all those
41:01
Speaker 8: things that struggle to pass the economic balance test at
41:05
Speaker 8: the moment because the old system said you had to
41:06
Speaker 8: build the system the cheapest system that was safe and reliable.
41:10
Speaker 8: Now we can build a more expensive system for that.
41:12
Speaker 8: There's also other mechanisms such as the capacity Investment Scheme,
41:15
Speaker 8: which is an unknown subsidy for the wind farms and
41:18
Speaker 8: solar farms. So there's now a sort of a whole
41:21
Speaker 8: array of different instruments, none of which have a very
41:24
Speaker 8: clear maximum price tag associated with them, that are being
41:27
Speaker 8: used to kind of insert incentives to build more renewables,
41:30
Speaker 8: more infrastructure in different parts.
41:31
Speaker 6: Of the system.
41:32
Speaker 8: So it seems as though the systems are complex, and
41:34
Speaker 8: I think that's what's being used often to try to
41:36
Speaker 8: hide what the true impact is on consumer wallets. That's
41:39
Speaker 8: why we tried to add up what this particular instrument
41:42
Speaker 8: could potentially amount to for consumers.
41:46
Speaker 2: Look, you are spot on that point, Aiden, because I
41:48
Speaker 2: remember with the RUDD CPRS, the Carbon price Reduction Scheme,
41:53
Speaker 2: carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, which was the forerunner to the
41:56
Speaker 2: Gillar carbon tax. The language behind modeling was opaque. It
42:01
Speaker 2: was all deliberately designed so that most average people and
42:05
Speaker 2: even most average political staffers and policy people put it
42:09
Speaker 2: down too hard to understand. They do the complex by
42:13
Speaker 2: design to make it as hard to understand as possible.
42:16
Speaker 2: Now what I'm interested here though, lack of transparency. When
42:21
Speaker 2: pushed on this stuff, Chris Bowen always says commercial and confidence,
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to put the modeling out there. But
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Speaker 2: in this case, we didn't even get legislation, did we.
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Speaker 2: This was all done backdoor with regulation.
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Speaker 8: Yet that's right exactly. It's very strange because officially the
42:39
Speaker 8: states have control of the energy markets, so there's some
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Speaker 8: legislation to introduce the objective, just the objective to reduce
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Speaker 8: emissions that went through the South Australian Parliament, because that's
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Speaker 8: just the parliament that we happen to do electricity laws in.
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Speaker 8: But the actual price that was set, which basically says
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Speaker 8: how we're going to balance up the objective with having
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Speaker 8: low power prices with reducing emissions without any parliamentary debate whatsoever.
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Speaker 8: In fact, the regulator said specifically that it was in
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Speaker 8: the hands of the ministers to decide on whether they
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Speaker 8: consult on this, and they chose not to. It was
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Speaker 8: just introduced simply with no opportunity for any public consultation
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Speaker 8: even through the regulatory process. So that set of numbers
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Speaker 8: now that starts at seventy dollars and goes to four
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Speaker 8: hundred and twenty dollars per ton, has been determined without
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Speaker 8: any parliamentary scrutiny or even any consultation in the regulatory process.
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Speaker 3: It's shocking.
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Speaker 2: Head to the CIS website if you want to read
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Speaker 2: more all the details of there, Aidan, You're a braver
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Speaker 2: man than I to get down into the weeds with
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Speaker 2: all of those numbers and to work out what's happening here.
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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what it is shocking. Thank you
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Speaker 2: for your time. Incompetent and tricky.
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Speaker 3: That's the word of the Albaneza government, is incompetent and tricky.
43:50
Speaker 3: Right after the break, how.
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Speaker 2: That student these systems being exploited as an easy path
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Speaker 2: to citizenship plus did appear is repetitchips to China have
43:59
Speaker 2: paid off, Daniel Andrews landing himself a cushy new job
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Speaker 2: with Beijing are revealed more after the break.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in my panel on our columnists with The Spectator,
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Speaker 2: Terry Barnes, a LPMP, Keith pitt.
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Speaker 3: Well, welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: New data today revealing a record number of international students
44:22
Speaker 2: trying to extend their stay in Australia indefinitely. The number
44:25
Speaker 2: of internal study visa applications reach thirty.
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Speaker 3: Five thousand in March. Now.
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Speaker 2: This is up from an average of nine thousand to
44:34
Speaker 2: then twenty thousand to now thirty five thousand over the
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Speaker 2: last couple of years.
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Speaker 3: Not well understood here, Terry, but let's be honest.
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Speaker 2: This is the university sector sector not selling education. They're
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Speaker 2: selling a migration outcome. That's why the students are choosing
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Speaker 2: Australia are over places like the US.
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Speaker 3: And the UK which don't well defectively are Peter.
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Speaker 9: And there's a touch of weak nudge nudge, no, not
45:01
Speaker 9: any no more in all of this, isn't it. I
45:03
Speaker 9: mean the university is a quietly sort of letting students
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Speaker 9: know or not by not saying anything, perhaps that they're
45:11
Speaker 9: welcome to do what they can to stay on. But
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Speaker 9: the way I see it is that universities are selling education.
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Speaker 3: That's their primary purpose.
45:17
Speaker 9: But they're doing it in a way that they don't
45:20
Speaker 9: care a stuff about the consequences downstream. So if a
45:23
Speaker 9: student wants to stay, that's not their problem, that somebody
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Speaker 9: else's problem. As long as they make a pretty penny
45:27
Speaker 9: from that international student, they don't care. And that sort
45:30
Speaker 9: of amorality, in my view, is exactly the sort of
45:33
Speaker 9: amorality we're seeing in other areas at the moment on campus,
45:36
Speaker 9: with university chancellors and vice chancellors refusing to call out
45:39
Speaker 9: anti Semitism. They don't care as long as they do
45:42
Speaker 9: their job and make their money.
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Speaker 2: And a lot of the time, of course, these students
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Speaker 2: atret studying the courses for the jobs that are in demand.
45:50
Speaker 2: You know, they're not the med students that are going
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Speaker 2: out to Bush. They're not the nurses that we need.
45:54
Speaker 2: They're not all the jobs that were after you know.
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Speaker 2: They're more marketing, more international relationship, all the stuff we've
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Speaker 2: got plenty of.
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Speaker 3: Keith.
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Speaker 2: The live sheep ban announced by Labor over the weekend.
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Speaker 2: Experts will be banned from twenty twenty eight. They say
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Speaker 2: it's all about animal welfare. About one hundred million on
46:13
Speaker 2: the table from transition packages for farmers.
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Speaker 3: But I know there's a lot of.
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Speaker 2: Anger in Wa tonight. Give us your censor themes.
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Speaker 10: Oh, Peter, there should be anger. This is absolutely disgraceful.
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Speaker 10: And we've seen media reports today that Animal Justice, the
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Speaker 10: Animal Justice Party in Victoria are claiming they got this
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Speaker 10: deal to close the live export industry for sheep out
46:37
Speaker 10: of Wa as part of a deal for preference arrangements
46:40
Speaker 10: in the seat of Dunkley in the by election. If
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Speaker 10: that is the case, that sounds unlawful to me. That
46:45
Speaker 10: needs to be investigated. And those farmers have been sold
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Speaker 10: down the river by the Australian Labor Party. One hundred
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Speaker 10: million is a drop in the bucket. This is worth
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Speaker 10: hundreds of millions of year into the economy of Western Australia.
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Speaker 3: It is a disgrace.
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Speaker 10: And what will happen with these sheep tens of thousands,
47:01
Speaker 10: hundreds of thousands of head. They'll end up in a
47:03
Speaker 10: hole on the ground. Right, that is the reality of
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Speaker 10: this decision. They are a lawful enterprise, they're entitled to
47:09
Speaker 10: be in business and the Australian Labor Party has sent
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Speaker 10: them to the knackers simply because of the ideology of
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Speaker 10: the Labor Party.
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Speaker 2: And if you write a preference deal in Dunkley, Hey, Terry,
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Speaker 2: let's stay down in Victoria. Dan Andrews reported today to
47:24
Speaker 2: be joining forces with Twiggy Forest. They're going to flog
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Speaker 2: one hundred million tons of so called green eye and
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Speaker 2: to China a year he did, of course, Andrews sign
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Speaker 2: us up a Victoria to China's Belton Road deal until
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Speaker 2: the Morrison government was forced to tear it up. And
47:41
Speaker 2: I'll make them mention too. He's got this gig backwards
47:44
Speaker 2: it forwards to Beijing, flogging iron ore or green steel,
47:47
Speaker 2: I think they're calling it now. He still takes home now,
47:51
Speaker 2: not when he's retirement age, but now a three hundred
47:55
Speaker 2: thousand dollars plus pension courtesy the poor of Victorian taxpayer.
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Speaker 9: Well he's got nothing to do. Peter is twiddling his arms.
48:04
Speaker 9: But look at I think too, my way, all the
48:07
Speaker 9: highway operators like Daniel Andrews and Andrew Forrest. It's going
48:11
Speaker 9: to be fun to watch, isn't it. But look, I
48:13
Speaker 9: mean they're both greenies, they're both friends of the Chinese
48:16
Speaker 9: regime in terms of doing business with them. And really,
48:19
Speaker 9: I mean what I want to know is, how do
48:21
Speaker 9: you make green iron or how do you make green
48:24
Speaker 9: iron ore in terms of smelting, in terms of mining,
48:27
Speaker 9: in terms of production, and what's this about? Eight million
48:31
Speaker 9: tons of renewable hydrogen irick and that's just all hot air.
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Speaker 9: If you ask me, it's shocking.
48:38
Speaker 3: I tell you what.
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Speaker 2: You can't make green iron or it's rubbish. Keith, Victorian
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Speaker 2: government and this is just the start. Come into a
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Speaker 2: state near you.
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Speaker 3: They're looking to lock.
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Speaker 2: Up three hundred thousand hectares of forest area in central Victoria.
48:53
Speaker 3: Are they're going to call it a national park.
48:56
Speaker 2: This is about indigenous groups and environmental groups getting what
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Speaker 2: they wanted. Camping and horse ride in four wheel driving,
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Speaker 2: all that's likely to be banned.
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Speaker 3: Peter, this is just the beginning.
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Speaker 10: Don't forget Tanua plebsect signed our country up to an
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Speaker 10: agreement where thirty percent of our land mass has to
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Speaker 10: be locked up, and they are sixty million hectares short.
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Speaker 10: So three hundred to four hundred thousand hectares is just
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Speaker 10: the beginning. So for every single person that's watching your
49:23
Speaker 10: show that likes camping, that likes being in the bush,
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Speaker 10: that likes accessing these areas, sixty million hectares of that
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Speaker 10: has to be taken away from you, from use by
49:31
Speaker 10: the Australian people for their purposes, simply so that they
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Speaker 10: can meet a UNESCO deal that was done by the
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Speaker 10: Labor government. I just think this is appalling. These things
49:40
Speaker 10: are there for all Australians. They should be open for use,
49:43
Speaker 10: and how else do they get managed. They get locked up,
49:45
Speaker 10: they get overrun by pigs and faroll animals, and that's
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Speaker 10: what happens with a lot of national parks.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, not wrong gents, A lever there. Thank you both
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Speaker 2: for your time. Good luck with budget week. Watch us
49:56
Speaker 2: here tomorrow Sky News especial one and a half hours
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Speaker 2: of Credline tomorrow night.
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Speaker 3: Lady into the Treasurer's speech, I'll speak to you there.
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Speaker 3: He's Andrew bolt
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Speaker 10: H