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Buffalo Tom · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's the program, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right, we've done all the
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work for you. All you have to do is press play
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and listen. My name is Justin and you call
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me band curious because I am indeed curious about bands.
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I like to gather my friends to talk about bands and in doing
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so, we will come up with a top 10 starter kit list for you to
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get into said band with us. And you know, I, I, I don't have
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anything clever today, but I do love the sunflower suit.
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So today we're going to be talking about Buffalo Tom.
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And you know, I think it kind of speaks to the fact that I just
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don't know anything about this band like at all.
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John, you put Buffalo Tom on the board.
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Is this like an initial list thing or is this something you
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kind of put together based on who is present today?
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Talk to me about Buffalo, Tom. I think it's been up for a
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while. Yeah.
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Buffalo Tom is one of the great underappreciated kind of 90s
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quote UN quote alternative bands.
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And I'll quote Mike Watt from the Minutemen, who said what's
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the alternative music silence. Good job, Mike Watt.
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But yeah, like the all the bands that got swept up in that kind
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of alternative mid 90s hype, a lot of them made it big and a
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lot of them didn't. And Buffalo Tom is one of the
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ones that didn't. And they kind of, they were on a
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major label. They got they got signed, but it
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never, they never had that one song that hit, even though they
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did have one song on ATV Show that I love and I have been
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obsessed with it for about 30 years.
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We'll get to that. But they are one of those bands
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that like, they should have been bigger than they were.
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And like, I think they've reunited in the last, you know,
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5 or 6-7 years and working on new stuff, which is great.
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But they're just kind of like, oh, they're just kind of like a
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Workman like band. Like they just went ahead and
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did their thing. They didn't buy into any of the
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hype. They didn't dress up.
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They didn't do the whole MTV thing.
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But they're one of those bands, like you can hear the influences
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on their sleeve, right? And you it becomes very evident,
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like if if if you're not aware that like alternative music is
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just the replacements and who's could do mixed together.
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Like, yes, there's elements of the Pixies and Dinosaur Junior
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and and everything else that we've a lot of pains that we've
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talked about. But at the core of it, like
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that's what Buffalo Tom is. They started in the late 80s,
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mid mid to late 80s and they probably heard, you know, let it
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be in Tim and warehouse and New Day Rising and they were like,
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we want to do that. So they kind of combine those
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things. You can hear the, the Paul
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Westburg and the the Bob mold in, you know, Bill Janovitz and
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and the guys in the band like, but they took it and like made
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it their own like for the 90s and it became, you know, a lot
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of bands did that and Buffalo Tom I think is, is one of the
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best. So as I was listening to this
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before we went on like it, it struck me what a nice cross
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section this is for kind of the three of you.
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And I'll I'll come back to this point.
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But Christian especially like you know, you, you had said
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right before we went on that you don't have like a a taunt, but
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like this feels this feels like a very Christian band.
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So talk to me about Buffalo Tom. Yeah, they are.
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So I, I first heard Buffalo Tom, like lots of the bands, because
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I tend to do a lot of the 90s bands on this show, lots of the
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bands that we've talked about in university.
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Somebody played me tail lights fade or it might have been on
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some kind of tape that somebody made for me or something.
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And I heard that and it was like, yeah, OK.
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They're slotted into sort of my area of musical taste with a lot
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of sort of what I might call bouncy semi acoustic kind of
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power pop Lemon heads, Goo Goo Dolls.
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I'm not on a bet by the way, to mention the lemon heads on every
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episode. I do deprogrammed because I have
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mentioned. Themselves like that's the
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replacements, right? That all that comes from the
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replacements. Sure.
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Exactly. Well and on the Huskadoo and I
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said that the reason that I kind of got into Huskadoo was there
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was an interview with the Lemon Heads where they said the
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replacements and Huskadoo. So it all kind of ties, you
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know, ties in together. But you know, Lemonheads was the
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very first deprogrammed episode I heard.
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So it kind of nicely sort of ties into that.
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So yeah, they they fitted into that.
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But I, I never massively got into them in the way that I
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would have done with those those other bands.
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They were kind of on the periphery.
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They were like, yeah, they're they're cool.
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I like them. But I never really dived in
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super deep. I had Let Me Come Over, which I
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really liked, and then for some reason completely missed Red
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Letter Day. And then I ended up buying
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Sleepy Eyed on a whim because I was in a record store and I saw
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it and it's like, Oh yeah, that I quite liked that album that I
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had a couple years ago. So my sort of experience with
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Buffalo Tom's being quite patchy, but I've always I've
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always liked what they've done without ever being that kind of
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enthused to really dive deep into them.
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It was interesting actually going in and doing, you know, I
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would call this a semi discovery for me.
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It was interesting going in and thinking, OK, what did they
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sound like early? And although it it's clearly a
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more raw sound, it wasn't as huge a departure from that kind
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of mid career sound that got me into them as it is sometimes
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with other bands that even right at the beginning you could
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there's that melody there, there's that kind of pop
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sensibility there. So that was, that was quite
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nice, really. So, yeah, I really enjoyed this
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dive. And what I really, I, I
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mentioned before the show that I, I didn't really know a lot
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about this band. The one thing that I did
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discover about this band having a look at their sort of
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background is the cool thing is that, as John said, they've
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reunited recently, but there's it's been the same line up
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forever. You know, so many bands have
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line up changes. It is Bill Janovitz, Chris
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Colbourne, Tom McGuinness since they started and that's the line
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up all the way through and the line up that that has recently
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got back together so that's really cool.
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Yeah, it means it was, you know, whenever they they broke up or,
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or went into hiatus, that means there was nothing personal.
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It was just they probably thought they had run their
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course. So I, I, I mentioned that this
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is like a nice cross section between the three of you and
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immediately John comes out with the influences that, you know,
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already made me go, yeah, of course.
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Like that's why Gavin is here to, to talk about this band.
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Although I will say that when, when this got put together, the
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first thing you said is Justin, you're going to love them.
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But so is this like something you just kind of jumped on Gavin
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where you were like, this gives me a chance to kind of like what
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Christian was just saying, fill in the gaps?
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Or is this something where you're like full on board?
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Cause neither would surprise me at this point.
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Yeah, I think it's more like what Christian said.
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Thanks for having me on the show.
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Yeah. So I bought the first record
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when it came out in 89 because there was a song on college
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radio that was really great and I'd like, loved that record.
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And then I bought the single from the second record in 1990
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when I moved to San Francisco. And it had on the B side, they
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did an acoustic cover of a Psycho like first song.
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And so I was like, oh, that's really cool, you know?
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And then I never heard anything after that.
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Like, I knew that they had big records in the 90s and I just
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kind of was like, I never got back to them.
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And this was a good excuse to do that.
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So when I said, oh, you'll like them, Justin, you know, like, I
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was like, they're kind of just like, I just was kind of
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guessing based on what I knew from the beginning.
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You know, they're from Boston. Bill Janovitz went to school
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with Jay Maskus and they were close friends.
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And Maskus produced the first record.
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And he may have helped. I'm sure he helped them because
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they got signed by SST. So the first record came out on
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SST, which was Dinosaur Junior was on SST, right?
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And that may have been another reason why I bought that record.
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But we were talking about record labels last night when we were
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doing another episode. And like the cool thing for me
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about that is that then they moved to a beggar's Banquet,
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which is a British label that's wrapped up with four AD who's
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like one of my favorite labels of all time and Situation 2.
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They're kind of this group of really cool British independent
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music labels. And that's strange because you
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know, they're such an American band.
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Like they especially as they go on, they, I feel like they move
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into some Americana, a little bit of Americana sound and like
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just their themes, their attitude.
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They're super working class like John mentioned.
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And we've been doing a lot of ends with that kind of working
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class mindset lately. We did Social Distortion,
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Minutemen and I feel like that's them, like John said, like
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they're not putting on sparkly pants and stuff.
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You know, they're like, put your head down, put the work in, get
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in the van. Let's do this right.
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And then I guess I also, the last thing I just want to say is
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that El Janevis just wrote a book about the cars and like
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people are flipping out about it.
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Like it's supposed to be like amazing, like rock book on a
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band. He I guess he did like a
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fantastic job. I have not read it yet so I just
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want to throw that out there. What's it we have like the the
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Pixies were on 4AD was like they went to like the British label.
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So Ryxies also already started around the same time from the
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same area. So there was like a pathway
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there. Maybe they were like, oh, we can
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do that too. In yeah, yeah, I I don't know
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that I can add much to this part of the discussion because like,
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again, like I feel like things are clicking into place at as
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we're going here. Like all these things make
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sense. Like I obviously I could have
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done the research and found out they were from Boston.
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I I could have known. But like that automatically
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clicks into place. The the, the sounds that are
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coming from them like really resonate with me like as far as
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my, you know, the 90s kid at heart and me like the 90s alt
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rock guy that lives here. So like all that kind of
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resonates with me. And as I said, like when I was
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listening, you kind of hear like the immediacy of I could
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immediately tell it's a Christian band.
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I immediately could tell like this was kind of we've been
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going over some of the, the puzzle pieces of how, how we got
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to some of John's bands. I feel like this one kind of
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slots in in to the story somewhere and it it, it feels
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like, it feels like it could have been just on the cusp of of
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something that Gavin would, you know, immediately love, but
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like, you know, just on the inside of something Gavin would
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love. So it is interesting to hear
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that I you know, not to not to say that I nailed it, but like
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you, I'm doing this so much that like, I can I can pick up on
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these things. And we've done so many episodes,
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episodes with each other that that I can kind of tell like,
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oh, yeah. OK.
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So this is probably why these guys love these things.
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Now that that said, that takes us to the next layer of the
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conversation, which is where I could be completely wrong when
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we're looking at at this whole thing.
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I think the list you put together was like 77 songs or
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something. John.
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It when when you're looking at Buffalo Tom and you're you're
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getting ready to bring in 20 songs, what is it that you're
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looking to bring to the table? Yeah, just stuff that again with
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with when it's this many songs, you just have to kind of go with
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what grabs you. Like I try not to overthink it.
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Like I don't really do. I don't listen to my list 456
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times to like dig and I just try to go with what's immediate, but
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it's just trying to find the ones that that sounded the best.
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Like there might be a lyric here.
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There might be like a melody like something that reminded me
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like directly of of the replacements for Paul Westerberg
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or something that yeah, just, I mean, you guys mentioned your
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your albums like mine was, was Big Red Letter Day.
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That was when I kind of got on board and then went backwards.
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So I was heavy on that one probably.
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But yeah, the when, when it's this many songs, you just have
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to kind of go with your gut, and that's what I try to do.
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So Christian, is this is this one where you're like you're
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stressing over your 20 like I know you usually have have a way
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of doing things. Is this just kind of fit fit in
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as you normally would, or is do you take a different approach to
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this one? So I mentioned that this is
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partial discovery for me. And I think when that happens,
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I'm particularly conscious of, of not letting my buyers take
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over in regard, you know, with regards to the albums that I do
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know. So I make with these partial
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discoveries, I make more of a conscious effort to look at to
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get representation because I'm like, well, I've heard that song
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3035 times, whatever, and I love it and I'll listen, you know,
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you're going to get so many chances to listen to the things
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that you haven't listened, listened to.
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And it's, you know, OK, I haven't got the time to listen
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to that 30 times. So I need to make it more of a
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conscious effort to look for other things.
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So I, you know, I started the seven or eight locks and then
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it, it was a little bit of a challenge to avoid like falling
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back on the familiar to kind of go, Oh yeah, that's a great
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song. And then all of a sudden I'm
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looking, I'm going, yeah, I've got a lot from one album and
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then trying to sort of move away from that more so when it got to
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like the end, you know, I've talked about tiebreakers before.
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My tiebreaker was, OK, let me drop something from the album
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because I've got more of that and less of that.
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So just trying to balance it up a little bit.
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I think 1 aspect that I did do was they've got this dynamic
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that is quite common in a lot of the bands that we've already
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mentioned where you have the the two, the two songwriters who
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sing their own songs. So the last or penultimate, I
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think panel that I I did with John and Gavin was Huskadoo.
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And of course we know about Bob and Grant, you know, Goo Goo
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Dolls, Johnny John Resnick and Robbie Takach, even early
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Lemonheads, Evan Dando, Ben Daly.
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So you know, Chris Colborn always had a couple of songs on
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all the albums. So I did think that it was
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important for me to get some Chris Colborn songs in there.
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So I did, I did deliberately try and get a couple in and I did, I
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did get a couple in, even though I, I mean, Bill's got more songs
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and generally I do prefer Bill's songs, but I did get a couple of
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Chris's songs in there as well because I thought we needed that
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kind of representation as well. So I got there in the end.
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I mean, sometimes that that'd be the way it is.
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Gavin, I, I don't think we saw a sneak peek into your process at
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all on this one. Did you just kind of approach
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it? Is this just business as usual
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for you? Yeah, Don put together a good
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list. So we did the six albums
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consecutively from 1989 to 1998 and we did not do the albums
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from 2007, 2011 in 2018. So for any fans of those
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records. And then John pulled 3 songs off
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the new album. I think the first 3 songs 1-2
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and three off the new album I definitely like.
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For me, nothing vested that first record.
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I wasn't sure how that was going to go, what I was going to
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discover. And I mean, I'm still like in
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the first album came up, I did like Sleepy Eyed a lot.
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That had a good, a lot of good songs on it.
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It was an easy 20. I just like I picked the songs I
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liked and then counted them up and it was 20 even.
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Oh, there you go. There you go sometimes.
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They're always the best. They're always the best ones.
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Sometimes it just works out that way so it looks like I live
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somewhere close to both. What what John and Christian are
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saying, I'll I'll say that on I'm looking at my numbers now.
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Let me come over and big red letter day had the most songs
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still through on my final list. It's reason I'm reasonably
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spread throughout though. And I'll also say that I want to
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say I had a ton on my first pass.
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I can't remember the number off the top of my head now, but I
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want to say I had a bunch and I started making cuts on my own
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just, you know, Willy nilly of, you know, just trying to even it
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even it out. And then I did the thing that
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I've been doing lately. I asked the Internet and I got a
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good response on it. So again, some stuff that that
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made it through got a lot of answers.
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I was like, OK, well, I can keep that because I liked it anyway
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and I already had it, so might as well lock it in.
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And so I used the Internet to lock in some pics.
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Ultimately, I think it came down to 17 out of 20 of my pics were
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mentioned. So I was like, all right, well,
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that makes sense to me. I'll I'll keep a a couple of
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these, you know that and just made the last couple cuts on my
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own again, as as I'm looking at my numbers, I'm pretty evenly
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split up. And even though I think, as I
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mentioned, let me come over Big Red Letter Day kind of hit me
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the the hardest as far as what I liked the best going through and
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listening to the first record before we went on made me hate
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the show. That's why I put that in there.
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I was like, there's there's a good six other songs that that
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really could have made my list. And you know, who wants to do
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the work? But I I'm listening to a song
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going, Oh man, like it feels like that one should be here and
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it's not. And I don't want to do all that.
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So I feel like there's a good chance I can be a spoiler, you
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know, as always. But I guess.
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We will see this one. I got no vibe on John.
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Like based on all these conversations, I honestly don't
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know where we go from here. Based on everything we've said
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so far, how many do you think we get through unanimously for the
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final say? Yeah, I'm, I'm again, the the
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math doesn't math. And then of course, Gavin and I
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are going to live up to our reputation of not meeting
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anywhere, even though we like the same bands.
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It's I'm I'm torn between like a three and a four.
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I'm going to say 4. OK, All right, Christian, what
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do you think? Oh, I was going to take 4.
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Yeah. So John said that Big Red Letter
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Day was his jumping in point. That was obviously a gap for me
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because I mentioned earlier on that it was let me come over and
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then straight to Sleepy Eyed and I sort of missed Big Red Letter
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Day somehow. And then Gavin said about the
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first album being his kind of area.
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Neither of those are particularly strong for me.
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So I'm yeah, I I was literally going to take 4.
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So it's going to have to be 3 or 5.
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I don't want to be the the straight down the middle guy so
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I'll take 3. All right, by the way, there
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ain't nothing wrong with being straight down the middle.
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That means you can be straight down the middle here.
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Gavin is five too high though. No, no, I'm going to take 5.
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There you go. Sometimes again, don't overthink
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the room. Right, So that makes the choice
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harder for me because it does feel like 2 is entirely too low.
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Like we should accidentally at least get 3.
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I'd imagine 6. I don't think 6 is outrageous
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based on like the Internet response I got.
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And some of these songs got like a lot of answers.
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So like I I feel like 6 isn't off the table.
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What if I go? I mean might as well go ultra
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positive. I'm going to go one over that 6
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and go 7. Hell yeah.
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All right. Like, I mean, if we're going to
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do it, let's do it up. Good.
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So it happened. Yeah.
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All right, let's take a quick pause.
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And on the other side of it, we're going to play the game.
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We'll be right back. And with that, the name of the
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game is deprogrammed. The four of us have combed
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through a selection of Buffalo Tom's discography and plucked
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out 20 songs. They are now going to mash
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together in an attempt to create a top ten circuit for you.
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In case you have never given Buffalo TomTom the time of day,
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try saying Tom and Tom right. Tom and time right back.
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I couldn't even do it just then. This feels like a barometer
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check, even though it seems like it seems like it should be a
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Homer. It is one of the answers I got.
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The most Christian's already brought this song up.
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It was already marked as probably one of my first couple
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plays anyway, so let's find out. How about tail lights fade?
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No. Yeah, yes.
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Yeah. OK.
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So we'll take a three there. Here we go that that you're
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going to get a lot of that. Well, yeah, like I just, I feel
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like it one was almost every single one of my answers.
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So it's like, OK, like this one's got to be one of the first
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ones I throw out there for sure. So OK.
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I'll be the spoiler today, don't worry about it.
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We definitely will. OK, all right, three it is and
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we move on, John all. Right.
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So I'm going to go with the one that I mentioned up top.
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That was or the the first Buffalo Tom song that I heard,
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and it was on my so-called Life, which which 94, I think.
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Yeah, exactly. And this song was used in an
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episode like one of the climactic episodes.
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And it's a great song and the song is almost too good for the
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show, right. But I'm gonna go with late at
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night. Yeah, got it.
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No. No, I don't have it.
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Oh, OK. OK, we'll take a two there,
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though. I'll be.
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I'll be all right with that. That one did come up, not as
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often. I only have one mark next to it,
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so only one person must have said it.
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But we take a two there, Christian.
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Right, I'm going to go first to my favorite album, which is Let
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Me Come Over. I think this is listening back,
25:19
this album was, I was surprised at how many made my first pass.
25:25
I don't remember it being such a high quality album, but on
25:28
listening back I really, really enjoyed it.
25:30
One of my favorite songs of that album has always been Mineral.
25:36
Yeah, I got it. Yes.
25:39
Wow. Here we go, I'm telling you.
25:44
I'm the villain, was that? Was that three?
25:46
Yeah, yeah, OK. Another one that that got a lot
25:52
of answers when when the Internet answered so.
25:56
You're so you're so green, Gavin.
25:58
Yeah, it's amazing. It's like, oh, I'm the asshole.
26:05
All right, well, let's find out what is actually on your list,
26:08
Gavin. I do have a list, I promise.
26:13
I took the first single off the second record.
26:15
I took bird brain. Yeah, I got it.
26:21
No. I do have it, yeah, all.
26:24
Right. Interesting.
26:27
Like a basically a round of threes.
26:31
OK, interesting first round. All right, I'll do the thing
26:38
here because I I knew again, I knew I was in trouble.
26:42
I didn't lead with it, but I knew I was in trouble pretty
26:45
much immediately off the first record Sunflower suit.
26:50
Yes. Yep, I got it.
27:01
It was close, but no. OK, OK.
27:07
Interesting. Another three.
27:11
Interesting. All right, John.
27:16
Oh, I don't know where to go. I'm trying to like see if I can
27:19
find you guys. I'm looking like I don't know
27:21
what to do. Well, let's just go with a
27:25
random one. How about Postcard from Smitten?
27:30
No. No.
27:34
No, me neither. All right, it's it officially is
27:39
going to be that kind of episode.
27:40
It looks like that's I think it's official.
27:44
All right, Christian. OK, I'm going to try not to stay
27:50
in one place. I'm going to jump around.
27:52
So I said it was let me come over and then jump into sleepy
27:54
heights. So I will follow that pattern.
27:59
I will go for probably my favorite song of Sleepy Eyed.
28:05
It sounds like a bit of an epic to me.
28:08
It's got a really cool false beginning.
28:10
For the first kind of minute and a half, they play some kind of
28:16
instrumental intro and then just a lone guitar kicks in and the
28:20
actual song kicks in. And then it becomes this big
28:23
swelling, almost ballad. And I absolutely love it.
28:26
It's Sunday night. No, no.
28:31
Yes. Hey.
28:34
Cool. OK, at this stage I will take
28:37
anything above a trash. We're just, we're all over the
28:41
place. Yeah.
28:42
All right. So we get the two there, Gavin.
28:48
I took the closer off bird brain bleeding heart.
28:55
Yeah, I got it. Sorry guys.
29:03
All right. We're going to end up with
29:04
nothing. Yeah, like all threes are going
29:08
to end up going in and we'll call it a day probably.
29:13
Late at night is getting in. Don't start with that.
29:15
I mean, yeah, at this point though, those are both in too,
29:18
so we'll see. I don't have AI, don't have a
29:26
compass here, so I'm just gonna use the Internet as my compass.
29:31
Another one I got a lot of answers for.
29:33
How about soda jerk? Yeah, yes.
29:42
We did it guys. Hey, all right.
29:48
That's a track 1, adjusted track 1.
29:50
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I failed to mention this
29:53
on I mean, I I did mention like I had trouble with let that that
29:57
run. Let me come over big letter day.
30:00
But I think you mentioned this a couple episodes ago, John, where
30:04
you you feel like, OK, let me come over happens and like a lot
30:08
gets through and I'm like, OK, well, clearly it's not going to
30:10
get better. And then so jerk starts and I'm
30:12
like, oh God, I'm still I'm still in trouble.
30:15
Oh no. And then it just gets worse from
30:17
there for me. So all right.
30:20
I, I thought that's what you were going to say earlier, John,
30:23
when you talked about My So-called Life, because.
30:26
Yeah, it was on the soundtrack, but it wasn't used in the show.
30:29
Yeah. Ah, right.
30:30
OK, yeah, because I was going to say love.
30:32
I love that show too. And I, I, I, I seem to remember
30:36
that soda jerk. Was I because they were on the
30:38
show, I think. And I didn't know were they, did
30:41
they play that on the show or did they play late at night on
30:44
the show? I think they might have played
30:46
Soda Jerk. Like, yeah, they go to like a
30:48
Buffalo Tom concert, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
30:51
And but late at night is used like in an actual episode, right
30:56
in the background. Yeah.
30:58
OK, Yeah. All right.
31:00
Hey, look, even if we end up at just one, the fact that we got
31:05
1, you know that. We've already eat the wasp
31:09
episode. Yes, it's a it's a sigh relief
31:11
already. So all right, we got one.
31:13
I'm sure there's probably at least one or two more.
31:16
We'll, we'll see what we can do here, John.
31:20
All right, I'll go with another track 1 Tangerine off of Sleepy
31:25
Eyed. Yeah, yeah.
31:27
No. Yeah, it's just a little haiku
31:32
to say how much I like you. I do have it.
31:37
It's all right a three Christian.
31:42
OK, rattling through. OK so I'll jump to a different
31:47
album again. Then mentioned J Mask is earlier
31:52
on and I read some of that he produced the first two albums
31:57
that Gavin mentioned earlier on and apparently they were sort of
32:01
known as Dinosaur Junior Junior, which I didn't think was really
32:06
fair. I think that the the early stuff
32:08
sounds a little bit a little bit more has could do it, but.
32:11
There is there is a band called Dinosaur Junior Junior I think.
32:16
But no. Anyway, apparently Jame Askis
32:19
plays the solo in this song, and it was one of the ones that did
32:21
stand out from the first record to me, so I'll play Impossible.
32:27
Yes, I love that song. No, Yeah, I.
32:31
Don't have it, sorry, but we take it to there.
32:37
All right, Gavin. OK, we're going straight to the
32:41
bin on this one. But I had to do it.
32:42
So I took the big melodramatic, epic song off the first record I
32:48
was really feeling when I was riding the bus around San
32:51
Francisco in 89. It's called the Bus.
32:55
No, I don't have that one. That was one of the last three
32:59
cuts that I had to make. Oh, I like, I'm glad you liked
33:02
it though. Yeah, no, it's a great song.
33:06
Sorry Gavin, I can't save you all.
33:07
Right, I will say this, to your credit, the Internet agrees with
33:11
you. We should.
33:12
We should have had the bus on our list, or at least one of us
33:15
should have so it could still hang around.
33:18
All right, let's shift this around.
33:22
And we have exceeded NTP protocol, at least new new trash
33:28
protocol protocol. Put the P in their toys.
33:32
We have enough to fill out our list if it should come to that.
33:39
I guess I'll go with another one that the Internet said a lot,
33:43
because that seems to be working in my favor.
33:45
How about velvet roof? No.
33:51
No. Great riff, yeah.
33:55
Hey, OK, take a two there, John. All right, let's go back to Big
34:04
Red Letter Day about Tree House. Yeah.
34:09
Yeah. All right.
34:12
I did not expect that to be unanimous, but it is.
34:14
Nice. Hey, cool.
34:16
There we go, crossing the bridge a second time.
34:22
On our way to your stud. I mean, stranger things have
34:28
happened like 0 on WASP. I mean, I, I don't see it at
34:33
this point, but that doesn't mean it it won't happen.
34:36
All right, let's see. Let me go ahead and mark that
34:44
off. Tree house is in and Christian.
34:55
OK, I'm going to stop jumping around now.
34:59
I'm going to start playing some of my locks back to let me come
35:05
over. This is an absolute banger in my
35:08
opinion. Porch light.
35:13
I don't have that one. I'll save you, I got it.
35:17
Hey. That would have that would have
35:21
hurt and surprised me and equal measure had that gone into the
35:23
bin. I I think I love that song.
35:27
And for the record, the Internet answered that as well, so it was
35:31
just outside my list. All right, Gavin.
35:37
I took the closer off the first record deep in the ground.
35:40
Yeah, I got it. No.
35:45
Yeah, close by. No cigar for me.
35:47
Take it to there. The Internet agrees with us on
35:51
that one, Gavin. Oh, I love the Internet.
35:58
Nothing bad ever happens. There right nothing.
36:00
Bad ever happens, it's. My happy place.
36:04
All right, I'm starting to run out of the ones that I got a lot
36:08
of. I'll go.
36:12
I'll go to sleepy eyed. How about summer?
36:16
Yeah. Yes.
36:21
Yes. Hey, yeah.
36:24
All right, All right. Yeah.
36:27
Hell yeah. And it's outside of Big Red
36:30
Letter Day. Like we we found something
36:32
outside of it. We hit Christians 3.
36:36
Yeah, worst case scenario, Christian, you're going to get
36:40
to pick the last song. I love playing these clips
36:46
sometimes because then it just reminds me of why I picked it.
36:50
Yeah. All right, summer is in.
36:55
And John? I'll go back to the first
37:00
record. How about walk away?
37:02
Yeah, great song. I do not have that one.
37:07
No, I don't. Right.
37:10
Take the 2 Christian. OK, another one of my locks and
37:19
I'm going to do a just in thing and take a track one.
37:22
It's track one off. Let me come over, Staples.
37:25
Yes, yeah. No, that was another one of the
37:30
three cuts. Oh.
37:33
It's all right though. That's a three, we take it.
37:35
Starts with a great bass baseline.
37:42
Twos are in trouble, dudes. Yeah, you shut your mouth.
37:48
Yeah, I mean, we'll cross the bridge when we get there.
37:52
The the if we, if we land anything else, the twos are in
37:55
some severe trouble. All right, Staples gets a three
38:01
Gavin. Wait, follow me to 1992.
38:05
I'm going to go to let me come over to Frozen Lake.
38:12
No. No.
38:14
No. Well, again, one of us should
38:19
have been there with you according to the Internet, Gavin
38:22
or. Don't, don't follow me to 1992.
38:26
I'm going to stay right here in 2026.
38:28
Thank you very much. Probably a good idea.
38:32
All right, let's see 1234567. I've only got 7 left already.
38:39
We're walking through it. Let me see any of these.
38:43
We did that one already. Any of these?
38:50
Yeah. I'll go with this one.
38:51
I think this is the one last one.
38:53
I have marked that. No, there's one other one going
38:58
to bird brain. How about crawl?
39:01
No, yes. Hey, no, OK, it's all right.
39:09
Two's just fine here at this point, John.
39:15
All right. Last track off of Big Red Letter
39:19
Day. Anything that way.
39:20
Yeah, I got it. No, not for me all.
39:28
Right, another 2 Christian. OK, OK, I think I probably
39:41
should play. I mentioned I got a couple of
39:42
Chris Colborn songs in there. I'll play one of those.
39:48
And this was quite cool actually, because it meant that
39:51
I could get a Chris Colborn song in and get something in from the
39:54
new stuff. So I'll play New Girl singing.
39:59
No. No.
40:03
No, I liked those new ones, but I just didn't have room for
40:05
them. Yeah, I I get that.
40:08
It was, it was very much a deliberate kind of, that was the
40:11
one I like best for the new ones.
40:12
And because it was also a Chris song, I thought, well, it kind
40:14
of does that thing, so I brought it in.
40:18
So no worries all. Right, Gavin?
40:23
Sounds like this is going to be a binner.
40:24
I took the first new song. I took helmet.
40:28
No. No.
40:31
And no. Sometimes you predict it as it
40:35
as it happens. All right, shift that around.
40:43
I guess I'm going to take the last one that I've got marked as
40:46
somebody said something about. How about torch singer?
40:52
No. Yes.
40:57
It was super close, but what I have written down is that it's a
41:04
faster version of another song on that album that did make my
41:08
list. So I will, I will, I will reveal
41:12
what that is later. So it was one of the other
41:14
because I felt that the melody and the the kind of the cadence
41:17
of the singing was quite similar.
41:19
Just one's faster than the other.
41:21
So unfortunately torching I lost out.
41:25
I'm alright with the two there though, John.
41:31
I still have a couple left off of Sleepy Eyed, so let's go with
41:35
sparklers. No.
41:40
Oh hell yeah. Hey, all right.
41:44
I mentioned that Sunday night was a bit of an epic, and I
41:48
think Sparklers is kind of a similar volume as well.
41:50
It's it's a big song. Boom.
41:53
A2 All right, Christian. OK, that is on my shortlist to
42:01
play next, so I'll move somewhere else.
42:04
OK, back to let me come over. I love the the guitar in this
42:09
kind of Bill is kind of playing rhythm and lead at the same
42:13
time. Not quite Johnny Marr, but I
42:16
like the way the the sort of the the guitar melody moves around
42:19
the the chords. So it's stymied.
42:24
Yes. I'm glad it's here because I I
42:29
don't have it, but I the Internet was all over that one.
42:34
Well, it's it's a three. I've got a 2.
42:37
Yeah, that's one of my favorite all time.
42:39
Favorite. Yeah.
42:40
I love, Yeah, I love that. As I say, I love the way you
42:42
sort of interweave that kind of melody in in the in the rhythm
42:45
guitar. And I think it was the first
42:47
time I'd ever heard that word. I think it's quite, I don't know
42:50
if it's an American word or something, but I'd never heard
42:52
of that word before before I heard the song.
42:56
All right, Kevin. I took it's you off of sleepy
43:00
eyed. No.
43:08
Yes. No, not me all.
43:13
Right, another two and I think 'cause I only have 4 left, I
43:21
think this will be our last round.
43:27
Oh boy, which one do I try? I'll go with one from Sleepy
43:35
Eyed here. How about souvenir?
43:38
Yeah. Hey.
43:42
No late late cut. Yeah, late, late cut for me as
43:46
well. All right.
43:47
What's the two though, John? This is my last one, would not
43:54
be denied. No.
43:57
That's the slower version of Torch Singer, so yeah, I do.
44:01
Hey, that's a 2. All right, Christian.
44:06
All right, it should be noted, since John's out, that means
44:11
your 3 is going to win. Yeah.
44:15
Excellent. I'm not afraid of
44:19
responsibility. I embrace it.
44:23
OK, I'll tell you what I'll do. Then I'll play the other Chris
44:26
Colbourne song that I brought through, which is clobbered.
44:33
No. No.
44:37
All right, Gavin. The other big college radio song
44:41
off the first record. I took reason why.
44:45
Oh no. Close, but didn't make it.
44:51
All right, what? That's what.
44:55
Yeah, let's go. So all right, I got 3 left
45:03
starting with off the first record, the plank.
45:08
No. No.
45:10
Dang, it took me ET. That that was the other third,
45:13
that was the third of the the cuts.
45:15
Wild. It took me this long to to get
45:17
bend. It took me to the dump out to
45:19
get Bend. I was hoping I was going to make
45:21
it. I didn't want to say anything.
45:23
It's like pitching a perfect game here, all right?
45:26
And then moving on to Smitten, which I feel like we were having
45:30
a hard time with each other on white paint morning.
45:38
No, I didn't end up with anything from Smitten.
45:40
That was the only one that I I I didn't have anything from.
45:43
OK. And then, last but not least,
45:47
walking wounded. No.
45:49
OK, I I saved I guess technically the worst for last
45:54
question mark. So I'm out.
45:57
John's out Christian. OK so I have 3 left in the
46:06
attic. No.
46:11
OK, mountains of your head. No.
46:21
And Ryland. No.
46:27
All right. And then just for funsies,
46:29
Gavin, whatever you got left. I got three.
46:32
I took speed to be off smitten. I took Undress off Sleepy Eyed,
46:39
which really sounded like the replacements, and I took When
46:43
you Discover off Sleepy eyed, which also really sounded like
46:46
the replacements. See, to me was the closest I got
46:50
actually to getting something from Smith and I did like that
46:53
and. Yeah, I thought you just.
46:55
Got off that record, yeah, yeah, really nice kind of
46:58
straightforward rock song and yeah, when you when you discover
47:01
was close as well, so not not far off from me all.
47:05
Right, so we've done it. We got three through again.
47:08
Christian's 3 is going to hold out and he will get the final
47:11
say. We've got soda.
47:12
Jerk, Tree house and Summer are through.
47:16
All right, so let's look at these threes first and figure
47:19
out this conversation. We've got bird brain, tail
47:22
lights, fade mineral sunflower suit, bleeding heart, tangerine
47:30
staples, and stymied. John, Is there one that's kind
47:35
of jumping out at you right off the top?
47:39
No, if, if we get late at night and then you guys can do
47:41
whatever you want. Well, then I'll ask you the same
47:46
question, Christian. Is there one that's kind of
47:48
jumping out at you? Well, there are 4, but if I
48:00
there are four that I really feel strongly about.
48:02
But what should I think be in there is tail lights fade and I
48:10
would also bat quite hard for mineral.
48:13
OK, Gavin, you were the odd man out there.
48:16
Is that something you're willing willing to concede on?
48:19
Was there reasoning behind those or just not enough room?
48:23
Yeah, not enough room. I'm fine with this.
48:25
So Christian, you're saying tail lights fade or mineral?
48:30
Those are the two out of the threes that I think at the top.
48:34
Top for me, yeah. I know Tail Lights Fade is that
48:37
they love that song. It's Bill thinks it's one of the
48:40
best songs you ever wrote. So I guess out of those two I
48:43
would choose Tail Lights, Fade all.
48:46
Right. So we'll grab tail lights, fade,
48:49
we'll hold on to mineral for now.
48:50
We'll come back to that. What are our thoughts on
48:56
representation? Not that important to me.
49:01
OK, yeah, no, they're, they're so consistent.
49:04
Like it's not like there's a big theme or tone shift halfway
49:08
through, you know? OK.
49:09
So then I'll ask you the same question, Gavin.
49:12
Is there a song kind of sitting there at in the threes that
49:15
you're like, man, we we should probably have that one?
49:18
Yeah, there's two that I think absolutely have to make the list
49:21
and I'm having trouble, but I'm going to throw in at this point
49:26
for Sunflower Suit, I think that has to be on the list.
49:30
All right, Christian, you're the the holdout there.
49:32
Is there Is there reasoning behind that?
49:35
Or is this just a it didn't hit you in the right way?
49:39
No, that was on my first pass and was a contender for making
49:47
it in to represent the first album.
49:49
So no, no objections for me all. Right, so let's grab that one as
49:55
well. All right.
49:58
And John's already said that he's willing to hold off and
50:04
till I guess technically song 9 to to make the case for late at
50:08
night. So we've only got 5 through at
50:10
this point. So 123456 threes.
50:16
I guess the question would be, are there any of these threes
50:19
that just luckily got threes Christian something that is just
50:27
kind of happy to be here. You can answer the inverse if if
50:34
that's not true, like I, I'm just looking for.
50:38
I mean for ways to get from from.
50:40
Yeah, the only one that I mean, I I think I was obviously the
50:45
odd person out on this one, but I can't even I can't even kind
50:50
of picture the song if that's not the wrong metaphor, but I
50:54
can't bleed in heart. I just it just I don't even
50:58
remember the song. But yeah, that's yeah, that's
51:05
the only one. Like I said, I from for me,
51:07
looking at now what's left of the threes, but they're all from
51:12
Oh no, they're to or from. Let me come over and then one is
51:16
from Sleepy eyed would be mineral stymied staples.
51:22
Those are my favorite 3 from what's left.
51:25
All right, I guess. I do appreciate I have the pick
51:31
as well, so I don't want to, I don't want to dominate the
51:36
conversation. So I mean, either now would be a
51:39
good time to like chip in on, on on another one that you you feel
51:44
like is an absolute Gavin. I need.
51:49
OK. All.
51:52
Right, I was the odd man out there.
51:54
I'm obviously not going to hold us up on that.
51:59
And that'll take us up to six. All right.
52:01
And then so that's one of the ones you mentioned, right,
52:04
Christian? So then it's we're looking at
52:09
mineral again. We we're we're not so much
52:13
caring about album representation, but should we
52:18
have like a bird brain versus bleeding heart to one of those
52:22
go in? I mean, they both got threes.
52:27
Is that worth? First track or last track?
52:29
What do you want? Yeah.
52:30
Is is that worth exploring on here?
52:39
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I I had
52:43
bird brain, I didn't have bleeding heart.
52:45
So that's that's what I'll say. Do you have a a leaning either
52:50
way, Gavin, or are we picking at the wrong tree and just dump
52:55
them both? Yeah.
52:57
I think just to be obnoxious. I think that like for me at this
53:04
point, I would throw out the threes.
53:11
If this was just up to me, I would throw out the threes and
53:14
Stump for Impossible off the first record, which only got 2.
53:20
That's the one song that I think it's one of the best songs ever
53:23
wrote. That's the one that I would like
53:27
stump for, but I don't know how helpful that is.
53:30
I guess like if it was up, if it was bird brain versus Bleeding
53:33
Heart, I would take bleeding heart over bird brain.
53:37
I mean, you know, we can also, we can also do, like you said,
53:40
just dump them, dump them all. I mean if if there isn't a
53:43
strong enough argument for them, we can start digging into these
53:47
twos, which John is dying to do I feel like.
53:51
Yeah. So I mean, I know, I mean I know
53:58
Mineral is still out here. Which Christian I I I want to
54:03
say was like pretty much at this point number one option for you.
54:10
It is. So if we took Mineral, and then
54:15
because that brings us up to seven, dump the rest of the
54:18
threes and start diving into the twos.
54:21
Does that sound? Yeah.
54:22
What if we do? What if we do mineral impossible
54:25
and late at night, right? Yeah, call.
54:27
It that's. I'm good with.
54:28
That's where I thought this was going to go, yeah.
54:31
OK. Well then we're all kind of
54:34
there. So mineral late at night and
54:40
impossible. I mean that, that that gives.
54:42
That's basically me, John and Gavin then to take him on each.
54:45
But yeah, yeah. What about?
54:47
What about you, Justin? Yeah.
54:48
I mean, is there anything there that you.
54:52
Oh, I feel like all the ones that I, I felt really strongly
54:55
about were already in. So, you know, I'm not, you know,
54:59
I'm not I'm not trying to fight for for anything at at this
55:03
point. And then so that brings us up to
55:06
our nine. And then that gives us.
55:10
Right. Yeah.
55:11
So that brings us to Christian's final say.
55:16
Hey, I think it has to be porch light.
55:22
OK, cool. Yeah, let me just that should be
55:28
here on the ones right it. Was a two.
55:31
It was a 2. Yeah, no wonder I was not seeing
55:35
it. There it is.
55:38
XX and final say boom. All right, get that clocked in.
55:47
I'll run this 10 down and we'll turn up the heat.
55:50
Soda jerk Treehouse summer tail lights fade.
55:54
Sunflower suit stymied mineral late at night, Impossible porch
55:58
light are in. That's our 10 now.
56:02
John, I read those 10 down to you.
56:04
Which one is the one? So my heart says late at night,
56:11
because if you picture like a world where Buffalo Tom is a
56:13
huge arena band, that's the closer, right?
56:17
That's the one you that brings the house down at the end of the
56:19
night. That's the the big one that
56:22
everybody sings along too and you go home happy.
56:24
That's late at night, but my head is saying soda jerk.
56:32
So either one of those what? Do you think Christian?
56:38
I don't have too much control. I've already kind of squeezed
56:42
the food that I wanted in and had the final say, so I don't
56:45
really want to be that guy on the on the number one.
56:51
I mean, soda jerk is fine. Yeah.
56:54
I think it it it it's fairly representative of of what they
56:58
are and what they do. You know, tail lights fade has
57:02
always been the the one the song that I identify with Buffalo
57:05
Tom, but maybe that's because that's the first one I heard and
57:08
maybe because it's a bit of a ballad.
57:10
Maybe it's not indicative of of what they do.
57:14
So something I don't know. I don't I mean, I can't even
57:17
again, sorry, really sorry, John late at night as kind of gone
57:20
from my my kind of consciousness.
57:23
I can't even to use that weird mixed metaphor again, picture
57:26
that song. So I can't even remember if
57:28
that's like a slow run and. Go listen to it and then come
57:30
back. I think, I think I might have
57:32
to, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, yeah, I, I, I
57:39
can't bat for late at night because as I said, I'm going to
57:41
have to take those 4 minutes. So out of the ones that have
57:43
been mentioned, I'm fine with Soda Jerk because I think it's
57:47
it's that that bouncy acoustic sort of overdub acoustic
57:53
guitars, pop sensibility, power pop it, I'm fine with that all.
58:00
Right out of those 10 Gavin, which one is it?
58:03
I think it's Sunflower Suit or Stymied.
58:05
Those are, I feel like the two best songs I ever wrote, but I
58:10
would I could see a compromise on Soda Jerk because it sounds
58:14
like that was the most crossover in a Venn diagram.
58:24
As as I'm prone to do here, like in an episode like this where
58:29
three got through, like I'm I'm prone to like pick one that got
58:33
unanimous. I'm not going to lie, part of me
58:37
is thinking treehouse because immediately Christian was like,
58:41
I didn't see that one being unanimous.
58:43
So picking the one that that seems like the oddball to get
58:48
through really sings to me. But to your point, Gavin Sode
58:53
jerk, I feel like checks all the the crossover boxes that we're
58:57
kind of looking for here. I it would not take much to get
59:02
me on on side with you on sunflower suit.
59:06
I always love when the band does what the band's going to do and
59:09
tells me right off the jump. So I'm it's never that is never
59:14
a bad pick when it comes to me. So I think it's I think it's one
59:18
of those three obviously treehouses kind of me being a
59:21
little cheeky. So that said, has anybody moved
59:25
on position 'cause it sounds like we could go soda jerk if
59:30
that's the easiest route? Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm down with
59:39
that all. Right.
59:40
Yeah. All right, so let's lock in on
59:43
Soda Jerk and call it a Day A. Yeah, it's the deprogram
59:49
compromise that nobody's happy about but everybody.
59:55
Well, I mean, it, it, it just, it does the thing.
59:57
So, yeah. All right, so soda jerk is going
1:00:00
to win out the day. Let's get that going underneath
1:00:02
us. I'll run this down.
1:00:03
One last go, Soda jerk. Tree house, summer tail lights
1:00:07
fade. Sunflower suit stymied mineral
1:00:10
late at night, Impossible. And porch light rounds out our
1:00:13
10. With that, let's let Soda Jerk
1:00:17
get a moment in the sun. Yeah, there we go.
1:00:30
We have done it. We have turned you into a
1:00:33
Buffalo Tom fan. Unless, of course, you were one
1:00:35
coming in. Then you're probably angry at us
1:00:37
about something. Let's be real.
1:00:38
Let's kind of what happens here is is we did something wrong,
1:00:42
I'm sure. But look, if you've got an
1:00:45
argument, please like formulate a like a kind way to do it.
1:00:51
There's there's definitely a kind.
1:00:52
You don't have to be angry at us.
1:00:54
You know, you can you can say, hey, I like the episode, great
1:00:57
chat. Here's some songs that I would
1:01:00
have I would have offered instead.
1:01:03
I think that's a nice way to do it.
1:01:04
You can do that, you know, on threads would be cool.
1:01:07
If you'd like to like literally join the conversation.
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Discord is a great place to do that as well.
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The Legion of Stupid Discord and how you get there is your
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All sorts of conversations are happening there, but ones about
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Check that out. If you've gone the Patreon
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Somebody here may have been in that band.
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So that's Patreon. If you pick up to the $5 level,
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We're a podcast, subscribe, rate, comment, all that stuff
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1:03:16
helps us in the algorithm. Nobody actually does tell us
1:03:19
what it does. But I guess the more the more
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we're seen, the more those platforms think we're popular,
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the more popular those platforms think we are, the more they push
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us out. So yeah, sharing all that stuff
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Hey, I listen to the program and you should too with that Buffalo
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Tom loving people. We'll see you next week.
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Bye.