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S03 E23 - We Welcome Back Long Haul Paul · Pop of Culture

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  [Kara DuQuette] This week on Pop of Culture,
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  the return of Long Haul Paul.
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  [Paul Marhoefer] I was in the office for one year.
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  It was a doomed experiment.
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  [Michelle Kinsey] The Long Haul trucker and
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  singer-songwriter shares stories and songs,
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  accompanied by banjoist Ric Dwenger.
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  [Kara] And it's time for our summer book club.
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  a list of books that will give you
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  [Michelle] From Indiana Public Radio,
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  this is Pop of Culture.
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  I'm Michelle Kinsey,.
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  [Kara] And I'm Kara DuWuette.
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  It's hot outside, which means it's
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  a perfect time to cool off in your local public library.
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  Our book club will meet later this hour.
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  [Michelle] But we're going to start the show by
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  welcoming back one of our favorite guests.
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  Long Haul Paul is a lifelong East Central Indiana resident.
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  When he's not long-haul trucking, which,
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  by his own account, is most of the time,
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  he's singing, playing guitar, and writing songs.
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  He joined us in the Pop studios.
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  A note for listeners with sensitive ears,
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  Long Haul Paul uses
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  some long-haul trucker language during his performance.
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  Alright. Well, thank you
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  so much for coming into the studio.
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  We're here with Paul Marhoefer and Ric Dwenger.
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  They're both musicians, and we're
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  fortunate to have Paul back again with us.
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  And we're happy to have Rick for the first time.
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  [Paul] I don't have to, I don't have to go, I don't have to do "ahhh"
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  here do I? No, this is NPR.
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  [Kara] Well, we want to let's just
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  get started by why don't
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  you play something for us? That would be wonderful.
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  [Paul] Alright, this is a little thing called "A Seed," and
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  [Kara] You want to talk about it first?
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  [Paul] Yeah, I got the idea for this song.
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  I was in Holly just outside of Hollyrood,
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  Kansas, which is the geographical center
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  of the contiguous 48 states.
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  And I was thinking about this scripture about
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  how a grain of wheat has to fall
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  in the ground and die before it could come back again.
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  And this was, like, the lowest point in my life.
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  I'd been in this wreck, and I didn't think feel like,
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  you know, we had lost everything in this wreck.
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  And I didn't think my marriage would last.
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  And I said, "Well, maybe if we just
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  let it die and maybe it'll come back."
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  And so that's where that song came from.
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  [Kara] Alright.
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  [Paul] I I told you I wasn't gonna be depressing.
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  That's depressing, isn't it?
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  [Kara] It's not
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  depressing because you made it through and you're here.
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  [Paul] We made it through, and my beautiful wife's
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  here, uh, 44 years
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  this August.
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  [Denise Marhoefer] It'll be 45 in August.
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  [Paul] 45 in August, so there you go.
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  [Kara] That's outstanding.
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  [Denise] We Came back.
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  [Paul] We came back. There we go.
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  ♪♪ A seed ain't
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  ♪♪ nothing but husk and bark.
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  ♪♪ Wrapped around the itty bitty spark,
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  ♪♪ and all it needs is down in the dark,
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  ♪♪ the deep dark dirt to die.
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  ♪♪ And when it dies, it bears the root.
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  ♪♪ Hungry for the light,
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  ♪♪ so it makes a shoot and it
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  ♪♪ reaches for the sun in the big blue sky.
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  ♪♪ That's how the corn grows high.
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  ♪♪ And I got a seed a seed that's down in me.
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  ♪♪ Come from Alabama up to Tennessee.
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  ♪♪ Up to Indiana.
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  ♪♪ I'm back in 53 looking for that union scale.
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  ♪♪And I hear that see deep down in me.
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  ♪♪ Every time I try and fail,
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  ♪♪ get up, get up,
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  ♪♪ though you fall before you walk.
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  ♪♪ Child you got to crawl.
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  ♪♪ And if you want to be a son of man,
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  ♪♪ you got to let your little light shine.
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  ♪♪ Shine.
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  ♪♪ I got my BC powder in the pentatonic scale,
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  ♪♪ turn it up loud and let the resonator wail.
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  ♪♪ Martin Luther King on the Spotify.
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  ♪♪ Let him ring, let them ring into the bye and bye.
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  ♪♪ I've been running from Jesus,
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  ♪♪ running from the law been
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  ♪♪ busting in and pounding down on Arkansas,
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  ♪♪ but I never knew no state of
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  ♪♪ grace till I walked along the wall on that Natchez.
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  ♪♪ Trace.
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  ♪♪ Step by step, stone by stone.
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  ♪♪ Down to the river
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  ♪♪ that calls me home.
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  ♪♪ He got her country music and his eyes just roll.
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  ♪♪ He said it got on my heart.
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  ♪♪ It got on my soul,
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  ♪♪ so he whooped him up a river,
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  ♪♪ said," Let it roll."
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  ♪♪ Made him up a place and called him muscle show.
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  ♪♪ They don't know we don't need Nashville.
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  ♪♪ They don't know it all moved
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  ♪♪ to Asheville wouldn't listen.
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  ♪♪ Look at what it costs him.
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  ♪♪ It all moved to Asheville.
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  ♪♪ Muscle shows in Austin.
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  ♪♪ I've been thinking about Mahatma Gandhi.
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  ♪♪ You know, he swore off that dang cigarettes and candy.
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  ♪♪ He fasted 27 days and
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  ♪♪ nights so that the children
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  ♪♪ of India could learn how not to fight.
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  ♪♪ He was a good man living and a great man dead.
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  ♪♪ Lord have mercy took a bullet in the head,
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  ♪♪ a bull and hen but a crying shame.
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  ♪♪ Does anybody recall that gunman's name?
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  ♪♪ They don't know we don't need Nashville.
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  ♪♪ And they don't know it all moved to Asheville.
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  ♪♪ Wouldn't listen. Look at what it casting.
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  ♪♪ It all moved to Asheville,
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  ♪♪ muscle shows in Austin.
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  ♪♪ A seed ain't nothing, but in a bit of thing.
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  ♪♪ Like these little songs I sing.
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  ♪♪ You can carry them away by
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  ♪♪ birds and wind to be gone today.
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  ♪♪ Back again, they'll be back again on
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  ♪♪ high ground reaching for the sun like a joyful sound,
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  ♪♪ feeding the flocks on 1,000 hills.
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  ♪♪ You say won't, I know it will.
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  ♪♪ You say it won't, I know it will.
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  ♪♪ You say won't, I know it will.
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  ♪♪ If you can't fly, then run.
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  ♪♪ If you can't run, then walk.
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  ♪♪ If you can't walk,
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  ♪♪ then crawl, but always move forward.
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  ♪♪ If you can't fly, then run.
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  ♪♪ If you can't run, then walk.
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  ♪♪ If you can't walk, then crawl, but always move forward.
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  ♪♪ You can fly, then run.
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  ♪♪ If you can run, then walk.
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  ♪♪ If you can walk, then crawl.
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  ♪♪ But always move forward.
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  [Kara] Whoo.
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  Thank you.
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  Wow. Outstanding.
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  [Paul] Thank you.
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  [Kara] That was insanely inspiring and talking about
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  the human spirit in a way that's
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  making me want to get up and run.
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  [Paul] Good deal. Good deal.
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  [Kara] Well, I want to know how long you
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  two have known each other and have been playing together.
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  You sound very symbiotic.
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  [Ric Dwenger] Ah, I think we met Paul in the Fall of 1981,
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  actually.
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  [Paul[ Was it 81?
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  [Ric] That's that's when I went to work.
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  That's when we became coworkers.
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  We became coworkers at White Feather Farm.
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  [Kara] Oh, yes.
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  [Ric] Mm hmm. And, uh,
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  Mm hmm.
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  [Kara] I don't know if
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  everybody knows about White Feather Farms.
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  It was a pretty great place here.
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  [Ric] It was institutional for a lot of years here in town.
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  A lot of people made it their
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  regular Saturday morning stop,
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  as well as a wide distribution
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  of deli products that it
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  went to supermarkets all around the state.
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  [Paul] I was in the office for one year.
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  It was a doomed experiment
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  because I was
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  a truck driver for them, and
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  they brought me in the office for a year.
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  And, Ric, um,
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  do you have any recollections of that time?
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  [Ric] Oh, yeah.
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  Well, the office was hollow-closet doors
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  stacked on top of file cabinets,
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  and Paul and I sat next to each other.
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  And I kept a messy desk.
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  By comparison. His side kind
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  of encroached into mine.
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  But we had a lot of fun together, cutting up,
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  feeding off of each other's humor and.
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  [Kara] I'm assuming the doomed part of
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  the experiment was trying to
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  keep Long Haul Paul in an office.
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  Is this true?
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  [Paul] Yeah. Yeah. They, I've
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  tried two white-collar jobs in my life,
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  and I was just miserable at both of them. And I
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  I have to be outside working,
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  which and so I went back on
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  the road for White Feather Farms
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  as one of their delivery drivers.
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  But during that time, Ric and I
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  discovered a shared love of John Prine.
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  [Kara] Mm.
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  [Paul] It's difficult for you young people here today,
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  to imagine the utter scarcity of sound.
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  You had to own a record to hear those songs.
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  You couldn't just go on your phone and find
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  them. And so, Ric had
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  a John Prine album I didn't have,
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  and I had a John Prine album that he didn't have.
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  And so we became John Prine friends.
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  And I think
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  [Ric] Took them home and taped them is what we did.
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  [Paul] Is that what you did actually?
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  [Rick] Yeah, I taped yours, and I'm assuming you taped mine.
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  [Paul] I've never met a John Prine fan
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  I didn't really like a lot.
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  And I reconsidered several friendships
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  for people not knowing who John Prine was.
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  [Kara] Fair enough.
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  [Paul] And I don't know how this happened, Ric,
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  but I think I said, "Yeah, I
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  write some songs," and he said,
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  "Well, come on, by." And so,
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  Ricc has been a mentor to me.
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  He's five years older than me and friend for a long time.
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  And he said, "Well, sing me some of your songs."
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  And I wound up singing every song I'd
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  ever written to Rick that day,
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  which was about 20 at that point,
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  back in 70, 81.
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  And I can remember feeling so embarrassed for doing that.
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  I like, disgorged myself.
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  [Kara] You were moved.
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  [Paul] But he was a great mentor,
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  and I guess I instinctively trusted him.
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  [Kara] Well, so, can you talk a little bit
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  about the two latest albums you've dropped?
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  [Paul] Well, so Ric will
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  be helping me perform some of these songs.
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  [Kara] Okay.
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  [Paul] But I can't I have a hard time booking him
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  because he keeps being stolen by
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  this local band called
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  The Fierce.
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  [Kara] Oh, I've heard of them.
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  [Paul] And I'm not suggesting he's a piece of
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  human chattel that it's taken from me,
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  but he's so busy with
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  The Fierce that.
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  [Ric] Appreciate that plug.
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  [Paul] In fact,
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  I think one of your colleagues is in that band.
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  [Kara] Indeed, she is.
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  [Ric] Mm hmm.
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  [Kara] Michelle Kinsey.
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  [Ric] Yep.
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  [Paul] But anyways, Ric
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  it is definitely going to have
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  a footprint on the next album.
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  And we were working out.
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  This banjo he plays is like a throwback banjo.
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  It's called a claw hammer.
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  And it was the type of banjo that people field workers,
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  people would play when,
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  you know, people that were swinging hoes and axes.
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  And so their hand would
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  you couldn't you didn't have much dexterity in your hand,
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  so picture your hand in,
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  like, this claw-type form.
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  And that's how he picks. And, um
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  [Ric] And I've never done a day of
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  manual labor in my whole life.
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  But somehow or another, that that style grabs me. And so
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  I taught myself to do it.
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  [Paul] So I've got some songs in this next album that
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  are going to be kind of like this song "Wildwood,"
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  I just there's a certain foreboding quality
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  about a claw hammer banjo.
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  And I think what I'm gonna do,
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  I'm going to I'm gonna make this banjo of Rick's sort of
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  like a like a I think the word is light motif.
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  Whenever people it's sort of
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  like "Kill Bill" when you hear that song.
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  You know, she's fixing to kill someone.
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  Well, when people hear that banjo,
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  they know something horribles fixing to happen.
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  [Kara] Okay.
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  [Paul] This is my time to tune, so
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  [Kara] Well, one of the things I love about
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  your music is so I
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  feel like there's a level of realism to it.
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  You, like, don't sugarcoat things.
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  You highlight the good,
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  but you put the not-so-good right up there to be seen.
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  Heard. Felt.
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  [Paul] Yeah. Well, I think my thing is,
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  I usually I don't write unless something has
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  aggrieved me, I guess, so
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  writing sort of helps to lighten the load.
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  And a friend of mine, he's bought some of my albums.
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  He goes, "My wife says,
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  'Does everyone die in all of his songs?'"
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  And I'm like, "I've
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  got some songs where people haven't died."
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  Uh, you know, there's two or three.
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  [Kara] We're all still here, you know?
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  [Paul] And but I was out on US-50, I think. What's that?
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  No? No, 36 West of St. Joe,
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  Missouri, West of Elwood,
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  Kansas, they call that the "Pony Express Trail."
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  Back when I was running pretty hard and
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  and that's his own torture, like,
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  being an overoad trucker trying to run
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  three log books and stay awake as much as you can,
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  it's his own mental torture.
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  And I would read the Bible almost
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  compulsively because it would
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  sort of put me in a better mood.
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  And I was thinking about Cain, and Cain
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  was cursed to wander and,
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  and, like, he couldn't stop wandering.
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  You know, that was his job to wander.
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  And I thought, maybe,
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  like, maybe I'm like Cain.
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  And, you know, I
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  know prolonged sleeplessness does things to the mind.
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  But it does sort of open a certain creative window,
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  but it also can sort
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  of there's sort of a lot of highs and lows in that.
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  But this song is called "Wildwood."
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  [Kara] Alright?
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  [Paul] Do you want to start us off Ric?
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  ♪♪ I've always been wanderer.
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  ♪♪ The easy way I scone.
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  ♪♪ I've only yearned for yonder
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  ♪♪ from the dark day I was born.
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  ♪♪ Anywhere, but here, lo.
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  ♪♪ I cried out since
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  ♪♪ my childhood and take me back, take me back.
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  ♪♪ Take me back to Wildwood
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  ♪♪ There I fell in with the wicked.
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  ♪♪ I fell in with the vile. We shambled every low road debauched,
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  ♪♪ debased, defiled.
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  ♪♪ There I lost my landlord for the preachers that I chow.
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  ♪♪ Now only darkness finds me like coal dust on my clothes,
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  ♪♪ Then there was a woman.
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  ♪♪ There was an Eden. There was a serpent
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  ♪♪ guileful and deceiving, and now
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  ♪♪ there's a mark, a mark upon my name,
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  ♪♪ which condemns me to wander.
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  ♪♪ Cursed am I as Cain.
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  ♪♪ All that I ask before
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  ♪♪ they laid me all down,
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  ♪♪ there's 500 horses and that low rumbling sound.
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  ♪♪ Lord, let me run to the very day I die
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  ♪♪ for the blood of my brother from the ground to Christ.
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  ♪♪ And there was woman. There was an Eden.
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  ♪♪ There was a serpent, guileful and deceiving.
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  ♪♪ And now there's a mark, a mark upon my name,
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  ♪♪ which condemns me to wander,
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  ♪♪ Cursed am I as Cain.
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  [Kara] Excellent.
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  I was thinking about you writing in this kind of
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  crazed creative potal that you said opens fueled by,
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  you know, coffee and wandering,
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  which I don't like thinking about the driving part,
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  but I like thinking about the creative part.
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  So how does it happen? What happens?
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  [Paul] Well, I'm not that way anymore.
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  That was a song. One thing
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  a lot of these songs were
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  composed 20 or 30 years ago, and
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  and I just, you know,
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  was a closet songwriter,
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  and then the Internet happened,
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  and then recording became affordable.
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  So I mean, I've recorded
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  over 100 songs since we
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  started out ten years ago now.
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  [Kara] Mm hm.
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  And because it's become affordable,
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  and we've also had some wonderful trucking companies
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  and patrons come along to help us, you know?
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  Because my wife, Denise,
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  is here with us in the studio,
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  and she says, "Paul,
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  every time you get a creative idea,
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  I hear the ching ching of money leaving our bank account."
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  And so, um
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  I, you know, I was more prolific when I was,
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  you know, not legal.
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  I mean, I'm not talking I'm talking about just the
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  what truckers used to sort of, um,
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  circumvent the hours of service regulation.
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  [Kara] Sure.
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  [Paul] When I was that guy, I was more creative.
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  But I'm finding ways to remain creative.
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  And I think it's like if I work as hard as I can work
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  and allow that to put me in a state
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  of disgruntlement, I can write pretty well.
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  I've got to be disgruntled to write.
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  [Kara] Okay. That's your fuel.
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  Yeah. Just remain disgruntled.
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  [Ric] I don't know what that says about when you'd come back
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  from a day of driving when
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  we were together at White Feather Farms.
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  Half the time you'd have a new song that you'd
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  be singing to me that you'd made up that day,
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  you know, on the road that day. Songs like
• 22:56
  "I Live The Cheese Lifestyle."
• 22:57
  [Paul] "I Live The Cheese Lifestyle."
• 22:59
  Okay. You know, without rehearsal,
• 23:02
  I'm willing to do that for you.
• 23:04
  [Kara] Please.
• 23:04
  [Paul] ♪♪ I I live the cheese lifestyle.
• 23:09
  ♪♪ I'm smooth as can be.
• 23:12
  ♪♪ I'm sharper than cheddar.
• 23:15
  ♪♪ I'm smoother than Brie from Lorraine to Lappi.
• 23:23
  [Ric] Lappi comes Lorraine to something and
• 23:27
  then Lappi from to Lappi.
• 23:28
  [Paul] Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right.
• 23:30
  ♪♪ From Lorraine to Gruyere to Lappi.
• 23:35
  ♪♪ She has always been Gouda to me.
• 23:40
  [Kara] I love it.
• 23:44
  That doesn't sound like [laughter].
• 23:47
  [Paul] No.
• 23:47
  [Kara] Not with the cheese.
• 23:49
  [Ric] Came from a maybe came from that place.
• 23:51
  [Paul] Well, they rolled out this promo,
• 23:53
  which was remember that fondue promo
• 23:56
  we had at White Feather Farms?
• 23:58
  And there were all these Scandinavian
• 23:59
  people on turtlenecks.
• 24:01
  [Kara] Made you mad?
• 24:03
  [Paul] Gathering around the fondue.
• 24:05
  They were all, like, very Nordic-looking and,
• 24:08
  like, it's called "Live the Cheese Lifestyle."
• 24:12
  And I think we were distributing
• 24:14
  these things to marshes everywhere.
• 24:16
  They were a pop-up, you know, endcap things.
• 24:20
  I don't remember, but it was I was like,
• 24:24
  I just wasn't vibing with the, uh
• 24:28
  [Kara] Midwest?
• 24:29
  [Paul] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:31
  [Kara] Made cheese bougie?
• 24:32
  [Paul] Yeah, yeah.
• 24:33
  With the dull nomor Midwesterners who prefer American,
• 24:36
  I thought it was a bridge too far.
• 24:38
  [Kara] Now, Ric, do you need to be disgruntled to create?
• 24:42
  [Ric] You know, I'm
• 24:45
  more of a of a support musician, you know,
• 24:48
  I I've tried the songwriting thing,
• 24:51
  and I've come up with a few,
• 24:54
  but they're way too much work for me.
• 24:57
  [Kara] Okay, so.
• 24:58
  [Ric] They don't just flow, like, like,
• 25:00
  Paul's got that spark.
• 25:02
  [Kara] Yeah.
• 25:03
  [Ric] Yeah.
• 25:03
  [Paul] But the guy,
• 25:05
  he stays a lot busier than I do,
• 25:07
  as and, you know,
• 25:09
  my problem is, look, anyone that's listening,
• 25:13
  if you can replace
• 25:14
  my lost trucking wages and
• 25:16
  my travel and lodging, I'm there, okay?
• 25:19
  I'm there. I don't care if it's Australia.
• 25:22
  Um, but, you know,
• 25:23
  Rick probably does 100 gigs a year,
• 25:25
  and I probably do 12.
• 25:28
  [Kara] Okay.
• 25:28
  [Paul] How many gigs a year do you do?
• 25:31
  [Ric] Yeah, we might do 40.
• 25:32
  [Paul] 40? Ok.
• 25:33
  [Ric] Something like that.
• 25:34
  [Kara] Well, are you going to play anywhere, locally this summer?
• 25:38
  [Paul] So glad you asked that.
• 25:40
  Because we're going back to
• 25:42
  the epicenter of real Indiana,
• 25:45
  a place called Farmland. Farmland, Indiana.
• 25:49
  [Kara] Nice.
• 25:49
  [Paul] The Farmland Community Center,
• 25:51
  which is a beautiful,
• 25:52
  quaint little place overstuffed chairs
• 25:55
  and bathrooms within 20 feet. And, uh.
• 25:59
  Uh, and they used to give away free cobbler.
• 26:03
  [Kara] So your CD will be released.
• 26:06
  It's the party for it.
• 26:08
  [Paul] Well, my CD has already been released.
• 26:10
  [Kara] Okay.
• 26:11
  [Paul] I'm I'm continuing to
• 26:13
  celebrate the release of that months out.
• 26:16
  So and then we will have
• 26:19
  the Farmers' Pike Festival the Saturday before Labor Day.
• 26:24
  And you thank you for supporting.
• 26:25
  You were there last time.
• 26:27
  That's another quintessential Indiana event.
• 26:31
  [Kara] Now, okay, so we'd
• 26:34
  like for you to play another song for us,
• 26:36
  and who would like to talk about it?
• 26:39
  [Ric] Paul wrote it.
• 26:41
  [Kara] Okay. Paul wrote it. Let's hear about it.
• 26:43
  [Paul] Well, I was approached by a gentleman from
• 26:45
  Indiana to he said,
• 26:48
  "Man, can you write a song
• 26:50
  about my life?" And I'm like, "Oh.
• 26:52
  I don't like to do that." Um, Denise's sister Daphne
• 26:57
  once commissioned me to write a song about her life.
• 27:00
  And, like, it takes several interviews to do it right,
• 27:05
  and, you know, she would get
• 27:06
  to a sad part of her life and just shut down.
• 27:10
  So I had this half-written song, and,
• 27:13
  I couldn't finish it. Then I read
• 27:16
  Mark Twain's autobiography, and he said,
• 27:18
  "When commissioned to do a biographical work,
• 27:21
  the subject will only tell you so much about themselves,
• 27:25
  and it's up to you to embellish the rest."
• 27:27
  So I finished the song, and she hated it.
• 27:30
  She commissioned the song, then
• 27:32
  hated it. I love the song.
• 27:33
  But she was very angry.
• 27:35
  She said, "Paul, I never was in a drug shootout.
• 27:39
  I never stole a car. I never
• 27:43
  was the proprietor of Meth lab."
• 27:45
  And she loathes the song.
• 27:48
  And, And so I got away from
• 27:51
  commissioned song like commission biographical songs,
• 27:54
  you're just.
• 27:54
  [Kara] That's tough.
• 27:55
  [Paul] You're walk so I said,
• 27:57
  I don't I don't like to do that.
• 27:58
  And I think I told him that story.
• 28:00
  I said, but what you got? And he says, "Uh Well,
• 28:04
  my daddy was a bull hauler. And my mama,
• 28:09
  well, since this is a family station,
• 28:11
  his mother was from a much
• 28:12
  older profession than truck driving."
• 28:14
  And they met in the parking lot of
• 28:17
  the Union 76 truck stop in Amarillo, Texas.
• 28:20
  And I said, "I can write that song."
• 28:24
  And so, here's how it came out.
• 28:30
  Do you want to start us off?
• 28:33
  [Ric] Sure.
• 28:46
  ♪♪ I was made in the back of
• 28:50
  ♪♪ an old snub-nosed mac in the summer of '75.
• 28:55
  ♪♪ By an old cow pot.
• 28:59
  ♪♪ And a girl from the lot,
• 29:02
  ♪♪ she was scuffling just to stay alive.
• 29:06
  ♪♪ She'd been beaten, broke down in that hard Texas town,
• 29:12
  ♪♪ Lord she'd fallen into a terrible fix.
• 29:17
  ♪♪ Daddy said, "Let's get you on out of here, girl."
• 29:21
  ♪♪ I come along in '76.
• 29:25
  ♪♪ Then times was good,
• 29:29
  ♪♪ and life was calm and God was smiling down on the Earth.
• 29:35
  ♪♪ Daddy found a cherry red 359.
• 29:42
  ♪♪ I'd been built in the of my birth.
• 29:46
  ♪♪ It had a 1693 caterpillar motor,
• 29:51
  ♪♪ with a 15 double-over against the dash.
• 29:55
  ♪♪ Daddy took a sack from that wore-out mac.
• 30:01
  ♪♪ Then he paid it off in cash.
• 30:04
  ♪♪ Life on the road,
• 30:08
  ♪♪ I run 1,000 loads with that old man when I was young.
• 30:16
  ♪♪ The highway has
• 30:18
  ♪♪ its own hot cool and he hammered it into his son.
• 30:25
  ♪♪ Then God took him from the light.
• 30:28
  ♪♪ In twenty-o-nine,
• 30:30
  ♪♪ I still think of the things that he said.
• 30:32
  ♪♪ Don't tell me that the best days are over now.
• 30:39
  ♪♪ And the good hands are all gone and dead.
• 31:26
  ♪♪ Well, we had a little spread by
• 31:29
  ♪♪ the old creek bed in the green state of Tennessee.
• 31:33
  ♪♪ A little piece of land near my my pappies and my nans.
• 31:41
  ♪♪ It was Mama. It was Daddy and me.
• 31:43
  ♪♪ Every week or two he'd come off
• 31:48
  ♪♪ his cold cow ride he'd take me down to the old Pay Pong.
• 31:53
  ♪♪ One day in early spring,
• 31:57
  ♪♪ five Bluegill on the string.
• 31:59
  ♪♪ We'd come home and Mama was gone.
• 32:06
  ♪♪ Well, I looked in Daddy's eyes,
• 32:09
  ♪♪ and he showed no real surprise.
• 32:11
  ♪♪ He just gathered all my dirty clothes.
• 32:14
  ♪♪ Next day, we slammed the chute,
• 32:18
  ♪♪ and we loaded for Dubuque.
• 32:21
  ♪♪ That's the way this old story goes.
• 32:24
  ♪♪ Now, my father, he is not.
• 32:28
  ♪♪ And that lady from the lot,
• 32:30
  ♪♪ my mama, I will see no more.
• 32:33
  ♪♪ But there's just one life we've got.
• 32:38
  ♪♪ Don't weep for what you're not.
• 32:40
  ♪♪ Y'all take that from the son of a.
• 32:42
  ♪♪ Life on the road
• 32:46
  ♪♪ I run 1,000 loads.
• 32:48
  ♪♪ With that old man when I was young.
• 32:53
  ♪♪ The highway has its own hot coal.
• 32:57
  ♪♪ And he hammered it in to his son.
• 33:01
  ♪♪ God took him from an in twenty-o-nine.
• 33:06
  ♪♪ I still think of the things you said.
• 33:09
  ♪♪ Don't tell me the best days now.
• 33:15
  ♪♪ And the good hands are all gone and dead.
• 33:18
  ♪♪ Oh take us out, Rick.
• 33:52
  [Kara] Thank you so
• 34:01
  much for sharing with us.
• 34:03
  [Paul] Thanks for having us.
• 34:05
  [Kara] Of course.
• 34:06
  [Ric] Thank you, Kara.
• 34:07
  [Kara] Yeah.
• 34:07
  [Ric] So good to see you.
• 34:09
  [Kara] You too.
• 34:10
  I'm just sitting here soaking up the magic,
• 34:13
  and I'm feeling weepy,
• 34:15
  but, you know, it was a life path you just sang about.
• 34:18
  Like, so.
• 34:19
  [Paul] Yeah, I mean, the thing is,
• 34:21
  when somebody gives you, so my big heroes,
• 34:24
  my father he read Studs Turkle to me.
• 34:26
  He read Red Robert's Service.
• 34:29
  And I mean, I can't
• 34:30
  control the trajectory of that narrative.
• 34:32
  That was that man's story, and it's kind of like
• 34:35
  Why isn't that a little hard on the mom?
• 34:37
  You know? Well, that was a dude's story, you know?
• 34:40
  [Kara] Yeah.
• 34:40
  [Paul] And, but I want to say this,
• 34:43
  and I don't want to leave this out.
• 34:46
  So from that time in 1981,
• 34:49
  when I sang Rick all my songs,
• 34:52
  It wasn't for another 30 years
• 34:58
  that I ever until I performed publicly.
• 35:03
  And it was about 16 years ago.
• 35:05
  I was watching Austin City Limits
• 35:10
  at your sister station WIPB,
• 35:13
  and I saw Guy Clark perform,
• 35:15
  and what a master he was.
• 35:17
  But he said everything I
• 35:19
  learned from the structure of a song,
• 35:22
  was by listening to my father read Roberts' Service,
• 35:25
  who was the bard of the Yukon.
• 35:27
  And my father had read Roberts' Service to me.
• 35:31
  And I thought, "Well, that's how I structure my songs."
• 35:34
  And, and he goes,
• 35:36
  "I don't just write these songs to
• 35:38
  sit alone in a room and play them to myself."
• 35:41
  And something very primal rose up in me,
• 35:43
  something maybe infantile, like, Well, you
• 35:46
  SOB, my dad's as good as you. Your dad.
• 35:49
  And Ric, to his everlasting credit,
• 35:53
  had been inviting me over and over again to join him on
• 35:57
  the stage at the Wilson Winery
• 36:00
  where he was the in-house band.
• 36:02
  And so that's kind of how all this started was by Ric,
• 36:07
  my mentor and teacher, your teacher,
• 36:10
  coaxing me up on stage,
• 36:14
  and the reaction we got
• 36:15
  that first night was so overwhelmingly positive,
• 36:18
  although it was a small crowd,
• 36:21
  but I couldn't sleep for two nights.
• 36:23
  It was like, then I was hooked.
• 36:26
  I was bitten by the bug, like, Oh,
• 36:29
  so people, you can tell
• 36:30
  something about something you wrote,
• 36:32
  something within you that connects with people, and they
• 36:34
  connect back to you. Because trucking is a very solitary life.
• 36:38
  [Kara] Mmm.
• 36:38
  [Paul] So I went from being
• 36:40
  a very social person to
• 36:41
  living this solitary life as a trucker,
• 36:44
  and that re-awoke-
• 36:46
  [Ric] Re-awakened.
• 36:49
  [Paul] Thank you.
• 36:50
  See, again.
• 36:52
  Still teaching.
• 36:54
  [Ric] It's still in there,
• 36:54
  [Paul] Reawakened that thing in
• 36:58
  me that wanted to connect with
• 37:00
  people because I'd become very insular.
• 37:02
  And so here we are.
• 37:06
  [kara] Well, where do you feel like you are in your career,
• 37:08
  then, you know? You still writing?
• 37:11
  [Paul] Well, you know, it's a funny thing
• 37:14
  because Mississippi John Hurt.
• 37:18
  He farmed till he could no longer farm,
• 37:20
  and then he went out and played music.
• 37:22
  There's some trophy gigs I would
• 37:24
  love to play that I just can't play
• 37:26
  right now because you
• 37:28
  can't tell knuckleheads in Kansas City,
• 37:30
  "Hey, as long as you're willing
• 37:32
  to replace my driver's wages,
• 37:34
  I'm gonna lose a week's wages
• 37:37
  to come out there and play for you."
• 37:39
  Um, so I'm hoping to build some micro tours.
• 37:43
  I'm hoping like if you get
• 37:45
  Michael Ronstadt that's one of my collaborators,
• 37:49
  and Ric has collaborated with Michael, as well.
• 37:51
  Linda Ronstadt's nephew, and he's a great guy goes,
• 37:55
  "Get the anchor gig and then try to build
• 37:57
  the smaller events that
• 38:00
  may not pay as well on your way out."
• 38:03
  And so I think that's what we're going to try to do next.
• 38:07
  And then I'm going to try to swim more,
• 38:09
  try to go to The Y more, try to walk more.
• 38:12
  Trucking has not been great for
• 38:15
  my health. I'm carrying too much weight, and, um, and,
• 38:20
  uh, you know, I want to be around
• 38:22
  to see my grandkids a little bit longer.
• 38:24
  [Kara] Well, we want that, too. Thank you
• 38:26
  so much for being here.
• 38:28
  [Paul] Thanks for having us, Kara, as always.
• 38:29
  [kara] Yeah.
• 38:30
  [Michelle] You're listening to Pop of Culture.
• 38:39
  I'm Michelle Kinsey.
• 38:40
  [Kara] I'm Kara DuQuette.
• 38:42
  [Jen Blackmer] And I'm Jen Blackmer.
• 38:43
  And I am pleased to be
• 38:46
  joined by a guest we haven't heard from in a little bit.
• 38:50
  Welcome back to Pop of Culture
• 38:52
  Hannah Bradshaw.
• 38:53
  Hi, Hannah.
• 38:54
  [Hannah Bradshaw] Hey, hi.
• 38:55
  [Jen] Hannah is the official president
• 38:57
  of our Pop of Culture Book Club,
• 39:00
  and Hannah is here to chat with me about Summer reads.
• 39:06
  And, you know, we often hear that
• 39:09
  Summer reads are beach reads.
• 39:12
  And I am unfortunately
• 39:14
  not gonna get to go to a beach this summer.
• 39:16
  So do summer reads have to be beach reads,
• 39:19
  Hannah?
• 39:20
  [Hannah] No, they do not.
• 39:21
  I actually came prepared,
• 39:23
  'cause I also will not be going to
• 39:25
  a beach this summer, sadly.
• 39:26
  [Jen] Yeah, I know.
• 39:27
  [Hannah] But maybe in my backyard,
• 39:29
  little pop up pool or something.
• 39:30
  [Jen] Oh, that's okay. I was saying
• 39:31
  my water experience will be the White River, probably. So
• 39:35
  [Hannah] Maybe my garden hose. I go.
• 39:37
  [Jen] Alright.
• 39:37
  [Hannah] But no, I did bring, you know,
• 39:40
  a list of books that will give you that vibe that
• 39:43
  are not just about the beach,
• 39:44
  because some people just don't like the beach.
• 39:46
  But all of these will definitely give you,
• 39:49
  like, that travel during the summer vibe.
• 39:51
  [Jen] Awesome. So what do we have to look forward to?
• 39:54
  [Hannah] Okay, I have been doing a lot of research
• 39:57
  because I have had a lot of time lately to read.
• 40:00
  So the first one that I'm looking forward
• 40:04
  to and a lot of people are is called "Villa Coco,"
• 40:07
  and it's by Andrew Sean Greer.
• 40:10
  And I guess he's a Pulitzer Prize winner,
• 40:12
  which I didn't know until recently,
• 40:13
  So that's kind of exciting.
• 40:14
  [Jen] Great.
• 40:15
  [Kahnnah] But this one is going to take you
• 40:17
  to the Tuscan era of Italy.
• 40:20
  [Jen] Oh. Yes, please.
• 40:22
  [Hannah]Yes. Yes. It's like Italian countryside.
• 40:25
  But basically, you know,
• 40:27
  it has, like, coming-of-age vibes.
• 40:30
  It's a love story. It has some comedy mixed
• 40:33
  in and blending wit with deep emotion,
• 40:36
  but it comes out in later June.
• 40:39
  It's about a young American archivist who takes
• 40:41
  a job at a crumbling villa in Tuscany.
• 40:44
  And he's actually going to be assisting
• 40:47
  a 92-year-old Baroness cataloguing
• 40:51
  her estate and helping her find a lost love.
• 40:54
  But the funny thing is, like,
• 40:57
  there's chaotic guests that come to stay.
• 40:59
  There's local oddities, and I just
• 41:01
  think it sounds so perfect.
• 41:03
  [Jen] That sounds so fun.
• 41:04
  [Hannah] It does.
• 41:05
  So I'm really looking forward to that one,
• 41:07
  and I've been seeing a lot of hype around that one.
• 41:09
  So again, that's "Villa Coco" by Andrew Sean Greer,
• 41:12
  so that's one I have on my list.
• 41:15
  Another one that I'm super, super pumped about.
• 41:18
  Matt Haig is now releasing "The Midnight Train."
• 41:21
  So I don't know if you're familiar with
• 41:23
  "The Midnight Library" that came out.
• 41:24
  [Jen] Yes, oh, yes.
• 41:25
  [Hannah] A few years ago.
• 41:26
  [Jen] Absolutely.
• 41:26
  [Hannah] So it's back.
• 41:28
  It's not a sequel.
• 41:29
  It's a companion to "The Midnight Library,"
• 41:32
  which makes it a little interesting
• 41:33
  'cause you see so many sequels.
• 41:35
  But instead of a library,
• 41:36
  it's a magical train now.
• 41:38
  [Jen] I love that.
• 41:38
  [Hannah] That he gets to board
• 41:40
  and revisit the key moments in his life.
• 41:42
  And I'm just really excited. I love that story.
• 41:44
  [Jen] I did too.
• 41:44
  [Hannah] I think this one will take us back to
• 41:47
  that vibe in his writing style but on a train.
• 41:50
  [Jen] And I love the idea of a companion, right?
• 41:53
  So it's all the good stuff from the original,
• 41:56
  but then you have a new story
• 41:58
  with new characters, new ingredients.
• 42:01
  That's great.
• 42:01
  [Hannah] Yeah, exactly.
• 42:02
  So set in the same world,
• 42:04
  but just a different character.
• 42:06
  Another one, because this takes me back to last year.
• 42:10
  It's called "The Shippers" by Katherine Center.
• 42:13
  It's a romantic comedy,
• 42:15
  but it's about girls,
• 42:17
  like, sisters destination wedding on a cruise ship.
• 42:19
  [Jen] A. And I'm so glad you brought this
• 42:21
  up because I actually read a preview of this book,
• 42:23
  and it's on my list, as well.
• 42:25
  [Hannah] Oh, my gosh. Yes. It sounds great.
• 42:27
  And I am a sucker for friends to lovers trope.
• 42:30
  So give me that a cruise ship,
• 42:32
  and I can just, you know,
• 42:33
  be absorbed by the pages.
• 42:35
  Great.
• 42:35
  [Jen] And that sounds great for a summer read, right?
• 42:38
  You're looking for something that's not
• 42:40
  Hardcore stressy kind of thing. That's great.
• 42:42
  [Hannah] No. There's so much of that in our normal life,
• 42:45
  so no.
• 42:45
  [Jen] Yes, exactly.
• 42:47
  [Hannah] My other one that I'm really
• 42:49
  excited for is called "Safari Murder Party."
• 42:52
  [Jen] Wow. Let me guess what it's about.
• 42:54
  [Hannah] Yes. Yes, yes, yes.
• 42:56
  So it's dark comedy thriller.
• 42:58
  So it's a corporate retreat on
• 43:01
  a private island that turns deadly when the CEO dies,
• 43:04
  and his will reveals that
• 43:06
  the last survivor will inherit his company.
• 43:09
  So so all coworkers are against each other.
• 43:13
  They're teaming up against their murderous coworkers.
• 43:16
  And then, of course, the wild
• 43:17
  animals in the safari.
• 43:18
  [Jen] Of course.
• 43:19
  Oh, it's got a ton of different ingredients.
• 43:21
  So one of my favorite books growing up was
• 43:23
  called "The Westing Game" by Ellen Raskin.
• 43:25
  It sounds similar, right,
• 43:26
  that you've got all of these ingredients
• 43:29
  for this really cool mystery.
• 43:30
  It sounds crazy, and I'm so here for it.
• 43:33
  [Hannah] Yeah. What I've been seeing people describe it as is,
• 43:37
  Like, a mix of "The Devil Wears Prada" and "Jumanji."
• 43:39
  And then the horror film "Ready or Not."
• 43:41
  If you've seen that, it's kind of like
• 43:42
  a cat and mouse chase.
• 43:44
  I just think it's gonna be fun to read this summer.
• 43:47
  So if you want to go on, like,
• 43:49
  an African Safari, that one's for you.
• 43:51
  [Jen] Excellent.
• 43:52
  [Hannah] And then, you know, me,
• 43:54
  I had to bring some horror to this conversation, always.
• 43:57
  So there is one that's coming
• 43:59
  out that I'm really excited about that is
• 44:01
  more like sleep-away camp during the summer
• 44:04
  thriller. It's called "Summers Never Over" by Darby Bozeman.
• 44:09
  [Jen] Oh, wow.
• 44:10
  [Hannah] Yeah. I am so excited,
• 44:14
  and the cover's pretty great 'cause they're like,
• 44:16
  like, teenagers, you know,
• 44:17
  getting into the water kind of thing.
• 44:19
  But it's a dual timeline thriller about
• 44:22
  a character named Greer who returns
• 44:24
  to her family's Georgia summer camp,
• 44:26
  five years after a friend's
• 44:27
  mysterious death and a fire, only to
• 44:29
  confront old flame secrets and
• 44:31
  a lingering suspicion that the death was not an accident.
• 44:34
  [Jen] Of course.
• 44:34
  [Hannah] It blends your summer camp, nostalgia,
• 44:38
  but with suspense and some themes of friendship,
• 44:41
  hidden truth, all the good things for me in a thriller.
• 44:45
  And I don't know. I'm a sucker for,
• 44:48
  like, the camp horror, campy horror.
• 44:51
  All of that. So yeah, I'm excited about that one.
• 44:55
  The other one that's horror that I'm excited
• 44:57
  about for the summer is called "Make
• 44:58
  Me Better" by Sarah Gailey.
• 45:00
  And it's a secluded island thing, too.
• 45:03
  That must just be the vibe for
• 45:04
  me for the summer or something.
• 45:06
  And for the publishers.
• 45:07
  [Jen] Yeah, well, and different kinds of beach reads, right?
• 45:10
  So not necessarily the sandy beach,
• 45:12
  but more the scary beach.
• 45:15
  [Hannah] Yes. And, you know, there's tons.
• 45:19
  Every time I come, it's so hard to just pick a
• 45:21
  few because there's so many good releases,
• 45:23
  and, like, for a lot of people and myself included,
• 45:26
  I think, Summer read, it's always a beach read.
• 45:28
  So I've been trying to go outside of that,
• 45:30
  even working at the library just to, like, help people.
• 45:33
  So yeah, it's great.
• 45:35
  I'm excited. So, "Make Me Better" is more folk
• 45:39
  and it follows Celia, a grieving,
• 45:42
  lonely woman who joins
• 45:43
  the secluded island community of
• 45:44
  Kindred Cove for their Salt Festival.
• 45:47
  But the islands like
• 45:49
  promising transformation and escape from suffering,
• 45:51
  but slowly reveals itself to be
• 45:53
  like a high-control sinister cult on the island. So.
• 45:57
  [Jen] Cult stories are
• 45:58
  [Hannah] Cultish.
• 45:59
  [Jen] Fascinating.
• 46:00
  [Hannah] It is. And it kind of Like when I read the description,
• 46:03
  I don't know if you've seen the movie
• 46:05
  "Midsommar, " that came out like, years ago.
• 46:07
  It kind of gave me that vibe, but I was like, Okay.
• 46:10
  I'll read that. So, yeah,
• 46:12
  that's coming out, too. Um
• 46:14
  I have two more. There is Okay,
• 46:17
  so it's called "Find Romance Par Avion."
• 46:20
  I don't know if I'm saying that last part, right?
• 46:22
  [Jen] Yeah, like, par avion like flying?
• 46:25
  [Hannah] Yeah. Yes, yes, by airmail.
• 46:28
  [Jen] Yeah.
• 46:28
  [Hannah] So it's like
• 46:31
  a meet-cute kind of book, but on an airplane.
• 46:35
  People are traveling for love.
• 46:37
  So basically, it's referring to, like,
• 46:40
  the classic allure of in
• 46:41
  flight connections and timeless
• 46:42
  handwritten correspondence.
• 46:44
  It kind of is like forced proximity.
• 46:47
  It gives, like, supposedly,
• 46:50
  there's more of, you know, like,
• 46:51
  friends to lovers trope kind of thing.
• 46:54
  But it's supposed to be
• 46:56
  pretty good from what I'm seeing so far.
• 46:58
  I don't read that many about, like,
• 47:00
  airport or airplane romance novels.
• 47:03
  [Jen] Yeah.
• 47:04
  [Hannah] So that one will be interesting, I think.
• 47:06
  And then the other one,
• 47:08
  I've just been seeing a lot of
• 47:09
  hype around over the last month,
• 47:11
  and so they're talking about it being big for the summer.
• 47:13
  It's called "This Story Might Save Your Life,"
• 47:16
  and it's by Tiffany Crum.
• 47:18
  The audiobook just came out.
• 47:20
  So people are talking about how good that is, too.
• 47:23
  So, if audiobooks you're saying,
• 47:25
  this might be a good, audio option.
• 47:28
  I actually released in March, but, like,
• 47:30
  over the last few months, it's
• 47:31
  just gained a lot of traction.
• 47:33
  And it blends mystery, suspense and romance,
• 47:35
  and it's centered around hosts of
• 47:37
  a popular survival podcast who end up disappearing
• 47:41
  Um, one of them do.
• 47:42
  The other one is left to solve
• 47:44
  the mystery while also
• 47:46
  being the prime suspect of the crime.
• 47:49
  [Jen] Ah. Okay.
• 47:51
  [Hannah] I thought that was kind of interesting.
• 47:53
  And I think by this summer, like,
• 47:55
  it's really gonna everyone's gonna be talking about it.
• 47:59
  So, there is some interesting things.
• 48:02
  So far, it's been described as gripping and page turning.
• 48:05
  Kind of has some comparisons to "Gone Girl."
• 48:09
  [Jen] Mm hm.
• 48:10
  [Hannah] So I think that
• 48:11
  one's gonna be really popular
• 48:12
  this summer, and I want to read it, too.
• 48:14
  [Jen] Oh, wow. So there is just so much.
• 48:17
  And it's so exciting.
• 48:19
  We've got mystery and suspense.
• 48:21
  We've got romance. We've got travel.
• 48:23
  What more do you want for your summer?
• 48:26
  [Hannah] Yeah. Right. And yeah,
• 48:28
  and there are beach reads,
• 48:30
  so all you need to do is if you really
• 48:31
  want the beach thing,.
• 48:32
  [Jen] Take one of those. Yeah, take one of these at the beach.
• 48:35
  [Hannah] Yeah. Take it on the beach, you know, whatever,
• 48:39
  but no, there's so many good books this summer.
• 48:41
  It's really hard to choose.
• 48:42
  But those ones I definitely were like,
• 48:43
  I have to read these.
• 48:44
  [Jen] Of course. Well, Hannah,
• 48:47
  your recommendations are so excellent always,
• 48:51
  and we're just so happy you could join us
• 48:52
  again for the Pop of Culture Book Club,
• 48:56
  and Hannah Bradshaw is
• 48:58
  the incoming Youth Services Manager at
• 49:01
  Anderson Public Library and
• 49:03
  the official president of the Pop of Culture Book Club.
• 49:07
  Thank you so much, Hannah, for your time.
• 49:09
  [Hannah] Thank you.
• 49:10
  [Jen] And my list my reading list
• 49:13
  just got a whole lot longer.
• 49:14
  [Hannah] Whoo.
• 49:21
  [Kara] I'm Kara DuQuette.
• 49:23
  [Michelle] And I'm Michelle Kinsey.
• 49:25
  This is Pop of Culture.
• 49:27
  Joining me is Laura Williamson,
• 49:29
  Executive Artistic Director at Muncy Civic Theater.
• 49:33
  And, Laura, I do realize this
• 49:35
  is loaded and could take several hours.
• 49:38
  But this is the part of Pop of
• 49:40
  Culture where we ask, " What are you working on?"
• 49:43
  [Laura] Oh, my goodness. Oh.
• 49:45
  Oh. Just a few things. Just a couple of things.
• 49:48
  Well, currently,
• 49:51
  "Frozen" is live on the Main Stage Theater,
• 49:54
  and it's really exciting.
• 49:56
  [Michelle] Really big right out of the gate.
• 49:57
  [Laura] Really big.
• 49:58
  [Michelle] You're going big.
• 49:59
  [Laura] Really big. Yes. I was the Director of
• 50:02
  the show and had
• 50:04
  an amazing time had an amazing time working on this.
• 50:07
  It's a new show to me.
• 50:08
  It's been recently released to theaters, our size.
• 50:12
  So the junior version,
• 50:13
  we produced that a few years ago,
• 50:15
  and that's been available
• 50:16
  to theaters and to schools, mostly.
• 50:18
  But this is just this year.
• 50:20
  Was it, you know, available for us, so.
• 50:23
  [Michelle] That's a big deal.
• 50:24
  [Laura] It's a really big deal.
• 50:25
  Right.
• 50:26
  [Michelle] So there may be
• 50:28
  two people,
• 50:30
  and I'm exaggerating there, that may not
• 50:32
  know what "Frozen" is.
• 50:34
  [Laura] You know, it's funny you say that
• 50:36
  because the amount of people that have said,
• 50:41
  "You know, I've never seen this one,"
• 50:43
  And it catches me.
• 50:44
  But I refrain from saying, "How?"
• 50:47
  You know?
• 50:48
  [Michelle] How did you avoid it?
• 50:49
  [Laura] You know. But it's true.
• 50:52
  They have, you know, a lack of children,
• 50:54
  perhaps, you know, at a certain age.
• 50:56
  But yes, for those of us that had children at that time,
• 51:00
  it was impossible to avoid.
• 51:02
  [Michelle] Yes. So give us
• 51:04
  a little synopsis of what "Frozen" is about.
• 51:07
  What story does it tell?
• 51:08
  Well, it's based on loosely
• 51:11
  based on a Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale,
• 51:14
  "The Snow Queen," very loosely based.
• 51:16
  He's also famous for
• 51:18
  "The Little Mermaid" and also the "Ugly Duckling."
• 51:21
  And it is Elsa and Anna.
• 51:25
  What's lovely about it is that I think it's one of
• 51:28
  the first Disney musicals
• 51:30
  where it's two women that are the heroines.
• 51:32
  And, you know, finally,
• 51:35
  the reward is not that she gets to get married,
• 51:38
  you know, which is pretty great.
• 51:40
  [Michelle] Yeah. Yeah. So you mentioned you had a wonderful time.
• 51:43
  [Laura] I did.
• 51:43
  [Michelle] Putting this show together?
• 51:45
  What were some of the highlights?
• 51:47
  What is it that makes this
• 51:50
  musical stand out to you
• 51:51
  and the production of it for Civic?
• 51:53
  [Laura] Well, so in the Disney movie that,
• 51:57
  you know, many have seen, every song is great,
• 52:01
  but when they go to produce it on Broadway,
• 52:05
  they have to add, you know,
• 52:06
  at least six more songs to make it a full-length musical.
• 52:10
  And there's kind of a formula for that. It's like every
• 52:13
  I don't know, four pages in the script,
• 52:15
  there's got to be a major song or duet or something.
• 52:18
  And every one of the songs is fantastic, the new songs.
• 52:22
  [Michelle] I'm really excited new songs.
• 52:24
  [Laura] They're really great.
• 52:25
  Actually, my favorite moments
• 52:27
  in the show are from the newer songs.
• 52:29
  [Michelle] Wow.
• 52:30
  [Laura] Yeah.
• 52:30
  [Michelle] That's awesome.
• 52:32
  And I understand that you have a lot of actors,
• 52:36
  performers in this musical that we've seen before.
• 52:40
  If you've been to the youth
• 52:42
  performances, right?
• 52:43
  [Laura] Oh, my goodness.
• 52:44
  [Michelle] You literally have.
• 52:45
  [Laura] Yes.
• 52:45
  [Michelle] Children growing up at Muncie Civic Theatre.
• 52:48
  [Laura] It's really It's very sweet.
• 52:51
  There's at least 15 now young adults that were kids,
• 52:55
  and many of them were in the junior production that we
• 52:57
  did in 2019.
• 53:00
  And it is a younger cast with a few adults in it as well.
• 53:06
  I mean, I should say that give a shout out to our Elsa,
• 53:10
  which is Brittany Kern.
• 53:12
  She is an amazing surgeon here in
• 53:15
  Muncie.
• 53:16
  [Michelle] And I think people need to
• 53:17
  understand that Civic. Community Theater.
• 53:21
  These are all people.
• 53:22
  [Laura] That's right.
• 53:23
  [Michelle] For the love of the theater,
• 53:25
  the love of the shows.
• 53:27
  [Laura] That's right.
• 53:27
  [Michelle] They're putting
• 53:28
  hours and hours and hours into this, right?
• 53:31
  [Laura] Right.
• 53:32
  [Michelle] Which is wonderful.
• 53:32
  [Laura] It is. And it's that I think
• 53:34
  that when I look at
• 53:36
  the cross-section of people in any show,
• 53:38
  it is the widest variety of ages,
• 53:41
  professions, just places in life,
• 53:44
  diversity of all kinds.
• 53:46
  That's something that we're very proud of.
• 53:49
  [Michelle] Well, I know you're very proud of
• 53:51
  this year's season 26-27 season.
• 53:54
  "Frozen" is kicking it off,
• 53:55
  like I said it from jump.
• 53:57
  Big, in a big, big, big way.
• 53:59
  Tell us about the rest of the season.
• 54:01
  [Laura] So creative, wonder awaits.
• 54:03
  Join us, Michelle, and Luke.
• 54:06
  Join us on a trip extraordinaire with get your passport.
• 54:13
  If you attend every mainstage show,
• 54:15
  you get a stamp in your passport.
• 54:16
  [Michelle] Love that.
• 54:17
  [Laura] Especially if you also attend the shows in the studio,
• 54:20
  we have stamps for those as well. So it's kind of fun.
• 54:23
  Right.
• 54:24
  [Michelle] So what are some of
• 54:25
  the other shows we can look forward to in the season?
• 54:26
  [Laura] So we have "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory."
• 54:29
  "The Producers."
• 54:31
  [Michelle] I mean.
• 54:32
  [Laura] I know.
• 54:33
  "It's A Wonderful Life,"
• 54:35
  "Les Misérables, " and "The Little Mermaid."
• 54:38
  I know.
• 54:39
  [Michelle] Did you just decide,
• 54:41
  did the committee decide
• 54:43
  before selecting these shows that you were just like,
• 54:46
  "We are gonna hit it so far out of the park."
• 54:49
  [Laura] Oh. I mean.
• 54:50
  [Michelle] I mean, this is huge.
• 54:52
  [Laura] It is a big season. It really is. But we're very excited.
• 54:55
  [Michelle] Yeah.
• 54:55
  [Laura] Yeah.
• 54:56
  [Michelle] What show Well,
• 54:58
  other than "Frozen" 'cause I know you were
• 54:59
  personally attached to the show as the director.
• 55:02
  [Laura] Yes.
• 55:02
  [Michelle] What show are you looking
• 55:04
  forward to maybe that you haven't seen at Civic,
• 55:06
  either ever or in a long time?
• 55:08
  [Laura] So this version of "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory,"
• 55:11
  which opens in August is a rewrite.
• 55:14
  So it is the same basic story of,
• 55:17
  you know, Willie Wonka and has the same characters,
• 55:20
  but there's some updated twists,
• 55:22
  which is really nice when the producers and
• 55:25
  the writers of these shows kind of
• 55:26
  update them with, you know, just a little
• 55:28
  correctness and a little more
• 55:30
  with an eye for a more modern audience.
• 55:33
  So this is the updated, newer version of Charlie.
• 55:36
  And then for us, similarly to
• 55:39
  how "Frozen" has only been available just this year,
• 55:43
  "Les Misérables" which is our April show of '27,
• 55:47
  this is the first year that that is
• 55:49
  available for theaters ourselves.
• 55:52
  So it really just because
• 55:53
  it's been on tour since it opened.
• 55:55
  [Michelle] Absolutely.
• 55:56
  [Laura] In the 1980s.
• 55:57
  I know I know. Right.
• 55:59
  [Michelle] For a minute.
• 55:59
  It's been out there for a minute.
• 56:01
  [Laura] Yeah, right. Right.
• 56:03
  [Michelle] And that is just mainstage.
• 56:05
  [Laura] Mm hmm. That's right.
• 56:06
  [Michelle] And I know you have a show opening very,
• 56:08
  very soon in the Casasa.
• 56:09
  [Laura] Yes.
• 56:10
  [Michelle] Theater.
• 56:11
  [Laura] Yes, yeah. This is a lot of fun.
• 56:13
  So, yes, this opens on Friday,
• 56:16
  and it runs for two weekends. It's called "The Taming, "
• 56:19
  and it is about a beauty queen,
• 56:22
  a conservative politician, and a liberal blogger,
• 56:26
  all three women that
• 56:27
  mysteriously find themselves locked in a hotel room,
• 56:30
  and they are charged with rewriting the US Constitution.
• 56:33
  [Michelle] Wow.
• 56:34
  [Laura] So it.
• 56:35
  Yeah, it is laugh-out-loud. It is.
• 56:38
  [Michelle] Yeah. That sounds very interesting.
• 56:40
  Yeah and I have not seen that show.
• 56:43
  So that is going to be.
• 56:44
  And that is when when did that open again?
• 56:46
  [Laura] It opens Friday, June 12,
• 56:48
  and it runs the 12th,
• 56:50
  13th and 14th, and then
• 56:52
  it is open the following weekend, as well.
• 56:54
  [Michelle] Awesome. Anything else that
• 56:58
  is currently happening at the theater?
• 57:01
  I know you've got a lot. There are
• 57:02
  some renovations.
• 57:04
  [Laura] Oh, my goodness.
• 57:04
  [Michelle] Happening right now, right?
• 57:05
  [Laura] Oh, my goodness.
• 57:06
  We have newly renovated first-floor restrooms.
• 57:10
  And so when we did the major renovations in 17-18,
• 57:15
  we went from having two stalls
• 57:17
  in the women's bathroom to five,
• 57:19
  and that felt like a really,
• 57:21
  really big deal.
• 57:22
  [Michelle] Oh, magical.
• 57:23
  [Laura] Now.
• 57:24
  [Michelle] Transformational.
• 57:25
  [Laura] I mean, we doubled, right? More than doubled.
• 57:28
  But then, over the years, you know,
• 57:31
  our intermissions are still long, and the lines are long,
• 57:34
  and it gets caught up in the concessions.
• 57:36
  And so, you know, so for about three years,
• 57:38
  we've been working on this: what would it mean to expand?
• 57:41
  So new green room,
• 57:43
  dressing rooms, women's restrooms, and men's restrooms.
• 57:46
  So it really is a whole section
• 57:48
  of our first floor being completely remodeled.
• 57:50
  And there are like we have now also
• 57:53
  doubled the size of the women's the amount
• 57:56
  of the women's restroom stalls.
• 57:57
  So we're very happy about that.
• 57:59
  [Michelle] Yeah. Yeah. Can you hear that?
• 58:00
  That is a collective cheer.
• 58:02
  From all the women listening right now.
• 58:05
  [Laura] That's right. That's right.
• 58:07
  [Michelle] Laura, how long have you been at Muncie Civic?
• 58:09
  [Laura] Ten years.
• 58:10
  [Michelle] Ten years.
• 58:11
  [Laura] Yes.
• 58:11
  [Michelle] So you have seen a lot of exciting things.
• 58:13
  [Laura] I have.
• 58:13
  [Michelle] Happen at Muncie Civic Theater.
• 58:15
  What has been the best part of your job?
• 58:19
  [Laura] Oh. Um, performing with my family.
• 58:23
  [Michelle] Mm.
• 58:23
  [Laura] Getting to share the stage and
• 58:26
  getting to look at posters
• 58:28
  on the wall as a shared experiences.
• 58:30
  Yeah.
• 58:31
  [Michelle] Yeah. And Pip has
• 58:33
  often, your son, Pip has been in the pit several times.
• 58:36
  [Laura] Oh, my goodness.
• 58:36
  [Michelle] On stage several times.
• 58:38
  [Laura] Yes, yes. He's actually playing Olaf.
• 58:39
  [Michelle] And your daughter.
• 58:40
  [Laura] And she's dancing as well.
• 58:42
  [Michelle] Yeah. I mean, that has to be.
• 58:44
  [Laura] It is.
• 58:44
  [Michelle] Such an amazing feeling
• 58:46
  to be able to do that as a family.
• 58:49
  [Laura] Yes, it's lovely. Everything. Yes.
• 58:51
  [Michelle] So I know the last ten years has.
• 58:53
  been very exciting for you.
• 58:56
  What are you looking forward to
• 58:58
  the most in the next decade?
• 59:00
  [Laura] I used to say, back
• 59:03
  when we were doing the renovations and raising money,
• 59:05
  you know, which we weren't sure we could do.
• 59:08
  None of us around the table,
• 59:11
  had ever been a part of
• 59:12
  a capital campaign or a building project.
• 59:15
  We even imagined maybe we
• 59:17
  could sell the building, and someone else would do this,
• 59:19
  and we would be the renter.
• 59:21
  You know? It seemed overwhelming.
• 59:22
  [Michelle] Sure.
• 59:23
  [Laura] But now, on the other side of that and
• 59:25
  receiving the support of
• 59:27
  the community and especially local foundations,
• 59:30
  we do feel that we are important,
• 59:34
  you know, important to Downtown.
• 59:36
  And I think that as Downtown
• 59:38
  continues to redefine itself,
• 59:40
  and as Muncie continues to redefine itself,
• 59:43
  you know, as Next Muncie answers,
• 59:45
  "What is next for Muncie?"
• 59:46
  I think that that's part of our conversation, as well.
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  You know, that we would like to be a major arts center,
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  you know, for this part of the state.
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  [Michelle] Mm hmm. Can you briefly
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  tell listeners what Next Muncie is,
• 1:00:01
  they may not be familiar with that?
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  [Laura] It is all of the stakeholders, from the mayor,
• 1:00:07
  from President Mearns at
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  Ball State, financial stakeholders,
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  [Michelle] Hospitals.
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  [Laura] Yes, the hospital,
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  arts and culture that really are asking the questions.
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  "How do we retain
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  the students that come to
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  Muncie to go to the university, but also
• 1:00:25
  how do we retain workers and
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  attract people that are working in Muncy,
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  but not just to have them commute, you know,
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  from Fort Wayne or Indianapolis,
• 1:00:34
  but to make their home here?"
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  So what do we have to do to be an attractive community?
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  [Michelle] Absolutely. Pride of place,
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  right? That's sense place.
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  Laura, thank you so much.
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  [Laura] Sure.
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  [Michelle] For being here.
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  And before we go,
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  tell them where they can get more
• 1:00:48
  information about Muncie Civic.
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  [Laura] You can go to munciecivic.org or call 288-PLAY.
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  And I should also mention that we have
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  summer camp opportunities coming
• 1:00:58
  up "Shrek Junior."
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  [Michelle] See, I told you.
• 1:01:00
  There's just too much too much to this program.
• 1:01:03
  [Laura] And a technical theater camp, starting June 15.
• 1:01:08
  [Michelle] Wow. A lot going on at Muncie Civic Theater.
• 1:01:11
  Laura, we'll let you go so you can get.
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  [Laura] Alright. Alright.
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  [Michelle] You've got a lot on your plate. Thanks so much.
• 1:01:15
  [Laura] Thank you, Michelle.
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  [Michelle] Kara, it's that time.
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  [Kara] Okay, it sounds good.
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  [Michelle] Let's check
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  out the arts and culture
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  and all the other things
• 1:01:23
  happening all over our listening area.
• 1:01:26
  Hungry for knowledge? History Bites: Stories of
• 1:01:28
  the White River at Muncie Town is 6-8 P.M. Friday,
• 1:01:32
  June 12 at Minnetrista Museum and Gardens.
• 1:01:35
  Join Chris Fluke, local historian, author,
• 1:01:37
  and senior lecturer in the Department of Media at
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  Ball State University for
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  a journey along the White River through Muncie's Past.
• 1:01:45
  Registration is strongly preferred.
• 1:01:47
  Limited walk-in tickets may be available.
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  Minnetrista.net is the place to go for more info.
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  [Kara] Check out Muncie Town.
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  [Michelle] Yeah.
• 1:01:56
  [Kara] Cook and Bell will perform
• 1:01:58
  at the Yorktown Free Summer Concert Series,
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  Friday, June 12, at the Civic Green.
• 1:02:03
  The music begins at 7:30 P.M.
• 1:02:06
  [Michelle] The Alexandria Band Fest kicks off at 9:00 A.M. Saturday,
• 1:02:10
  June 13 at Beulah Park in Alexandria.
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  Five community bands will perform.
• 1:02:16
  Then they will combine for a big performance at noon.
• 1:02:19
  Bands are the Tipton Community Band,
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  Horizon Community Band,
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  Indianapolis Municipal Band, Zionsville Concert Band,
• 1:02:27
  and Alexandria Community Band.
• 1:02:30
  That's a lot of band.
• 1:02:31
  [Kara] Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:32
  Comedian Scott Long will perform Saturday at
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  Daleville Town Hall Park as a part of
• 1:02:37
  the Summer oncert seSries at Daleville Parks.
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  The show is family friendly,
• 1:02:42
  and the laughs will begin at 7:00 P.M.
• 1:02:44
  [Michelle] The E.B. and Bertha C. Ball Center is offering
• 1:02:47
  A Taste of Poetry from 6-7:30 P.M. Wednesday,
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  June 17, at the center.
• 1:02:53
  The evening will feature the work of Lylanne Musselman,
• 1:02:56
  writing instructor at the Center,
• 1:02:57
  and a selection of readings by a few of her students.
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  A reception will follow.
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  Reservations are recommended bsu.edu/ebball.
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  [Kara] America's Hometown Band will present solos in
• 1:03:10
  the night on June 18 at Westside Park in Muncie.
• 1:03:14
  Bring your lawn chair or a blanket for this concert,
• 1:03:17
  which will begin at 7:30 P.M.
• 1:03:19
  [Michelle] A Taste of Ireland,
• 1:03:21
  the Irish music and dance sensation will be getting
• 1:03:25
  jiggy with it at Cornerstone Center
• 1:03:27
  for the Arts on June 19.
• 1:03:29
  This direct from Off-Broadway show
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  stars former World Irish dance champions,
• 1:03:34
  including performers from Lord
• 1:03:36
  of the Dance and River Dance.
• 1:03:38
  You can't see it, but I am
• 1:03:39
  tapping my toes underneath a desk right now.
• 1:03:42
  The performance begins at 7:30 P.M.
• 1:03:45
  Ticket info at cornerstonearts.org.
• 1:03:48
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