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140: That is so Cliche · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: it was just... It was almost just to talk about this,
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  Speaker 1: if nothing else, because I... The first one here, we
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  Speaker 1: might just lead off with a, if you remember, it's
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  Speaker 1: been a while once again, but our running feature of, what?
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  Speaker 1: Because that was kind of my response when I read it.
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  Speaker 1: Let me see what you guys think of this one. So,
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  Speaker 1: especially in light of our recent, let's see, that one
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  Speaker 1: was when the truth comes out episode of stars in
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  Speaker 1: their private lives and they're finding more about them than
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  Speaker 1: you probably need to know kind of thing. Well, we
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  Speaker 1: know there's a little history between Mr. Mel Gibson and
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  Speaker 1: the Jewish faith. We've covered that in the past. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this week the story came out that Mel wants to
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  Speaker 1: get back into making movies. Now, he's probably done way
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  Speaker 1: better as a director than as an actor.
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  Speaker 5: After the success of Beaver.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he didn't direct that. His directorial stuff has actually
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  Speaker 1: gotten pretty good response. So I don't know if he's
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  Speaker 1: looking to get more into that, but that's probably in
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  Speaker 1: his best interest. But this week, Mel Gibson and screenwriter
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  Speaker 1: Joe Esterhaus of Basic Instinct, Showgirls, yeah, he's done some
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  Speaker 1: classy work of his own.
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  Speaker 5: I see an episode coming up for us.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't even know what we would do with this.
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  Speaker 1: He has signed a deal with Warner Brothers to adapt
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  Speaker 1: an ancient historical war epic. All right, still sounds right,
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  Speaker 1: Mel Gibson. All right, that's cool.
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  Speaker 5: Great part.
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  Speaker 1: Described that way, this story could go... Jesus Christ. The
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  Speaker 1: project that Warner Brothers is developing is a long-talked-about historical
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  Speaker 1: epic about Hebrew freedom fighter Judah Maccabee. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What became is the Maccabean Revolt eventually gave us the
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  Speaker 1: Jewish feast slash holiday known as, do we want to
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  Speaker 1: go with Hanukkah or do we need to pronounce it more? Hanukkah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, say it with some phlegm.
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  Speaker 1: You're in charge of the Hebrew words here.
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  Speaker 5: Right, because I'm so.
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  Speaker 1: Because you're so Hebrew.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 1: As, again, I don't know, I'm just sort of reading
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  Speaker 1: through this in shock and awe. So, as the deal
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  Speaker 1: currently stands, Mel Gibson will produce, collaborate on the script
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  Speaker 1: with Esther House, and have first option on potential directing
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  Speaker 1: job if he actually gets this project made. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the McAbee story has potential to, you know, be a big, great,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sword and sandal war epic kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: But Mel Gibson involved? I mean, more than, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know which is worse, really. I mean, Mel Gibson
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  Speaker 1: with his... Mel.
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  Speaker 9: Gibson understands martial vigor, and he has a kind of
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  Speaker 9: Warner Brothers, like, do anything to, you know, he has something,
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  Speaker 9: but Esther House? I mean, how does he even exist?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he's He's taken quite a break over the years now.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a while since he's done anything. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if he's trying to change direction here and
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  Speaker 1: be like a real screenwriter. Yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Because I remember making fun of Braveheart prior to when
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  Speaker 4: I first saw the poster.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And even making fun of that he was going to
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  Speaker 4: handle the passion. And both times he made me look silly.
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  Speaker 4: As far as direction goes, he did a damn good job.
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  Speaker 4: So if you match those two together, yeah, that is
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  Speaker 4: what we're talking about with this film.
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  Speaker 1: From what I've heard, the other one is even better. Apocalypto? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I've heard that's probably his best work period.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I like that movie. I've seen it.
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  Speaker 9: That's fun. Is it? Yeah, it's a blast. It's one
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  Speaker 9: of those movies you could just put it in and
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  Speaker 9: watch it again.
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  Speaker 6: It's cool.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I mean... I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: If Fred is fucking with you or not.
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  Speaker 9: No, I believe I watched it twice within a few weeks.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 9: As I watched it and then somebody else was watching it.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that's fine.
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  Speaker 5: I'll sit down and watch it again.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I mean, I don't question his directing more
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  Speaker 1: than anything, but his just, number one, we don't know
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  Speaker 1: where he, I mean, we know the horrible history and
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  Speaker 1: he's got issues with that faith. So, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: is he using this to try to make good? Like,
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  Speaker 1: is he trying to turn around and balance things out again?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: It's the Cat Stevens story. problem yeah you can never
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  Speaker 9: really get back some stuff what do you do well
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  Speaker 9: and and people in general just are sort of closed
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  Speaker 9: off if you're not of their group this was one
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  Speaker 9: i forgot about but i was just listening to something
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  Speaker 9: recently about back when um inglorious.
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  Speaker 1: Bastards came out and i mean that's you know tarantino
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  Speaker 1: made this super pro-jew you know movie it's like jews
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  Speaker 1: kicking ass and like killing nazis and it's like it's
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  Speaker 1: awesome and it's finally one that's you know not sort
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  Speaker 1: of showing the Jews as victims in a World War
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  Speaker 1: II movie, which is what pretty much every other movie
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  Speaker 1: has done. And everybody who wasn't in that camp, that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't Jewish, or at least in the official Jewish leaders,
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  Speaker 1: the people in charge that make these sort of statements
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  Speaker 1: coming out against him did. It's like people of the
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  Speaker 1: Jewish faith still didn't like it. because he wasn't Jewish,
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  Speaker 1: because it wasn't his, you know, it wasn't his movie
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  Speaker 1: to make. You know, it's like, it's not your story,
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  Speaker 1: you don't need to be making this, which I don't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily agree with. I think, you know, especially when art
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  Speaker 1: is involved, you should be able to do whatever you want, and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, especially something like that.
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  Speaker 9: Especially something that, I mean, there's no historical... It's an
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  Speaker 9: alternate history. Yeah, you can't even, like, fault it for
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  Speaker 9: being wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It's fake right off the bat. And on top of that,
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  Speaker 1: it's like a very pro- jewish thing so it's like
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  Speaker 1: i don't know what other than it goes against the
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  Speaker 1: ways you know everybody's so caught up in their you
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  Speaker 1: know strict little system that they don't want anything to
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  Speaker 1: change but i don't know i think that was to
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  Speaker 1: me that was like looking at that going okay this
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  Speaker 1: is a well-received as time went on it's gotten a
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  Speaker 1: lot better response but And even that, in a director
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  Speaker 1: that's sort of beloved in his field, still got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of flack for that. So it's like you got
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  Speaker 1: Mel Gibson.
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  Speaker 9: It's pro-Jewish. It's like Jewsploitation or something. I don't know
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  Speaker 9: what the feeling is.
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  Speaker 5: You had Hicksploitation last time.
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  Speaker 9: We've got to come up with a sploitation for every
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  Speaker 9: episode now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems weird to give it to anybody,
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  Speaker 1: this story, but specifically, I mean, I could see other
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  Speaker 1: people making this movie, but handing it to Mel Gibson
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  Speaker 1: at this point, if nothing else other than even if
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  Speaker 1: he does a good job, you know, much like the
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  Speaker 1: Tarantino thing. It's like even if you end up making
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  Speaker 1: a really solid movie and it's historically accurate and it
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  Speaker 1: does everything it needs to do, is he going to
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  Speaker 1: bring so much baggage to it that you can't win?
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  Speaker 1: Is he going to bring so much?
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  Speaker 5: Is there so much baggage to it?
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  Speaker 9: To it that you can't lose because people are going
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  Speaker 9: to talk about it and have to see it so
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  Speaker 9: that they can throw in their two cents.
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  Speaker 5: Possibly.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that was part of, I think, what carried
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  Speaker 1: the Passion of the Christ. I think there was so much,
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  Speaker 1: it had a slow build to it, but I think
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  Speaker 1: by the end it was just like really Mel Gibson
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  Speaker 1: okay and it like it carried it and sort of
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  Speaker 1: steamrolled as more like religious people got on board and
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  Speaker 1: church groups went to see it so it's like eventually
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  Speaker 1: it built its momentum but I think for a while
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  Speaker 1: it got a lot of Mel Gibson you know Lethal
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  Speaker 1: Weapons making a Jesus movie you know it had enough.
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  Speaker 9: But almost everything he does has that. It's like, lethal
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  Speaker 9: weapon is Hamlet?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Lethal weapon is a beaver?
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  Speaker 9: Everything he does, you kind of go like, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 5: Same thing with Braveheart. I laughed when I saw him.
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  Speaker 1: On the end.
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  Speaker 5: When I saw it, I was, hey, this is a
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  Speaker 5: damn good, you know. It's very Hollywood, but it's a
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  Speaker 5: damn good movie.
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  Speaker 9: I still kind of laughed a little when I saw
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  Speaker 9: The Passion of the Cross. There were just things that
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  Speaker 9: I just couldn't get past.
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  Speaker 5: What, the blue-eyed Jim Caviezel?
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  Speaker 9: Well, it being rated R for smiting.
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  Speaker 1: Too much begatting going on in this movie.
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  Speaker 9: And this is, maybe this could be something we could
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  Speaker 9: discuss in depth later, but It's one of those movies
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  Speaker 9: that just has something in it that's like, you go,
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  Speaker 9: what the fuck?
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  Speaker 5: And then the movie just goes on and.
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  Speaker 9: Nobody ever mentions it again. But apparently Jesus invented the tall.
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  Speaker 5: Table with chairs.
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  Speaker 1: He's a carpenter. What do you want?
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  Speaker 9: And Mary, his mother, said it would never catch on.
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  Speaker 9: And yet here we are, sitting here at a table.
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  Speaker 5: It was almost like a Flintstones moment. What was that?
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  Speaker 10: And It's just one of those moments that occurs in
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  Speaker 10: a movie and you go, huh? And then you go
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  Speaker 10: on because the movie has other stuff, you know.
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  Speaker 5: It's got some more time to do.
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  Speaker 1: Later, Jesus invented the cheeseburger.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Wait.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on. Wait. So, I don't know. I just... If
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  Speaker 1: nothing else, the Mel Gibson thing is troubling enough. And
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  Speaker 1: then you throw S to house in the mix.
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  Speaker 9: And then it's just like, oh my God.
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  Speaker 5: What is it?
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  Speaker 9: Are people going to be having sex like fish? What
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  Speaker 9: is going to happen in this thing?
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  Speaker 1: And all of that will lead to the story of Hanukkah.
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  Speaker 1: so yeah what I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: As long as the two of them tackle Kwanzaa next
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  Speaker 4: I'm on board.
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  Speaker 1: Again it'll balance things out yeah I can see that
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: I think they're just raising expectations and somehow or another they'll.
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  Speaker 5: Make a not so.
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  Speaker 9: Crazy movie that's my prediction is the movie will not
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  Speaker 9: be insane but You'll still go, what? Right.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. It will be a good movie.
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  Speaker 1: To some extent. And then, you know, it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: say what it will turn out. I just thought that
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  Speaker 1: was such a weird idea. I would throw it out
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  Speaker 1: there this week. So there's one other one I was
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  Speaker 1: definitely going to address at the end here. But in between,
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  Speaker 1: I figure if you guys want to pick, I'll throw
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  Speaker 1: out some topics.
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  Speaker 5: Can I throw out one that I saw a trailer for?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 5: Go ahead. I finally saw the Rock'em Sock'em Robots trailer.
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  Speaker 5: Good lord.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, is this real steel?
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  Speaker 5: Real steel.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think they're making another Fighting Robots movie, so
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me, but yeah, I've seen the trailer
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  Speaker 1: for real steel.
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  Speaker 4: Now, if the robot, I did see where there was
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  Speaker 4: some Hugh Jackman and robot dancing or something at some
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  Speaker 4: point in it. If they do the robot, it might
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  Speaker 4: then become awesome. If they could somehow do that, but
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  Speaker 4: other than that, it's It looks like they just poured
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  Speaker 4: nacho cheese on.
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  Speaker 9: The whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: It kind of doesn't matter because it doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, as much as Rock'em Sock'em Robots is awesome
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  Speaker 1: in its own way, but, I mean, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to think about it, I mean, the whole point of boxing,
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  Speaker 1: specifically boxing, fighting in general, but boxing is a very, like,
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  Speaker 1: it's that sweet science thing. It's about... knowing the limitations
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  Speaker 1: of the body and using the way that the body
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  Speaker 1: works against the other person and knowing your own limitations.
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  Speaker 1: It's knowing how a body works. If it's metal, there
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  Speaker 1: is no pain. There is no science to it. It's physics, maybe,
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  Speaker 1: but there's no... I'm going to have to disagree.
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  Speaker 9: Because on our set, and this is one of the
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  Speaker 9: things that... This is a heartbreaking childhood memory. I had
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  Speaker 9: an older brother who was kind of a bully, but
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  Speaker 9: our Rock'em Sock'em robots... The blue one had a glass jaw,
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  Speaker 9: and he just never realized it. And so he would
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  Speaker 9: always say, oh, well, which one do you want to be?
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  Speaker 9: And I'd play it cool. I'd be like, I don't care.
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  Speaker 9: I'm going to do the red one. And we'd play
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  Speaker 9: for a minute, and he'd be like, oh! And then
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  Speaker 9: he'd push the head back down, and we'd play for
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  Speaker 9: a minute.
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  Speaker 5: Bam!
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  Speaker 9: Oh! And he never caught on. He just, you know,
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  Speaker 9: he never caught on to this. But that was like
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  Speaker 9: my guilty... secret was I knew that the blue one
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  Speaker 9: just had had a glass shot and I understood that about.
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  Speaker 1: The But again, in this situation, you're the Hugh Jackman,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know. If you're going into the drama
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, I guess you could do that, but
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  Speaker 1: other than that, it kind of makes no sense.
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  Speaker 5: But what drama? I mean, what is there to lose.
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  Speaker 1: If your robot dies?
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  Speaker 5: Build another robot?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like.
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  Speaker 9: It's not like Rocky.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Apollo Creed, the robots... I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: say that because that could ruin Rocky.
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  Speaker 1: The next Rocky?
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  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is if someone hasn't seen Rocky, I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to spoil what happened.
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  Speaker 1: I guess not. Either way, there is real drama in Rocky.
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  Speaker 1: There's real stakes to it. It's like when they're robots,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell? It's human and it's.
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  Speaker 9: Will and it's intellectual. If you watch something like Ali Foreman.
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  Speaker 9: It's just riveting, and you make them robots, and.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, why?
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  Speaker 9: I mean, it's a battle between a couple of, you know,
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  Speaker 9: George Foreman grills.
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  Speaker 1: It might as well be.
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  Speaker 5: And my George Foreman is perfect for that. Now, I
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  Speaker 5: will say this.
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  Speaker 4: In Toy Story 2, the Rock'em Sock'em robots that get
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  Speaker 4: in a fight together is probably one of my favorite
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  Speaker 4: parts of that movie.
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  Speaker 1: I will call myself out. Remember the Robot Wars? What
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  Speaker 1: was the one they used to have on?
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  Speaker 6: BattleBots.
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  Speaker 1: BattleBots, yeah. I used to watch that every week.
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  Speaker 9: I love that show.
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  Speaker 1: So I will be the first to say, but once again,
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  Speaker 1: that was more, and they played on that. It was
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  Speaker 1: sort of reality programming because you watched the guys behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes, and it became more about the science of it,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: of who could build a better robot, who could find
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: a better gimmick to beat the other ones. So again,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: the battling itself was cool, but there wasn't much drama
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: in that. It was just... watching the controllers and seeing
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: what they built, where this, they're just going to be
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: giant robot, you know, humanoid robots. There's not really anything
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: else to it, so... Yeah, I'll call myself out for
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: liking some BattleBots, but I think that's different.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Is that Bill Dwyer was on that show? Yeah, yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 9: Oh, Bill.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: You could tell he didn't really care about it, but
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: he sure sounded like he cared.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Bill doesn't care about anything he does. That's kind of
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: why I love him. He's sort of a jackass, and
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: yet he's really funny, so he carries himself through whatever
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: stupid job he gets himself into.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Isn't he on that show where they beat the crap
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: out of people?
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: That's right. Pretty sure. Knock out or punch out.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: He's on several things now. I'd watch that. I would
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: watch that.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: I bet Whoopi could throw down, though. I would be
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: afraid of her.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Well, on that one, we've got a robot story here.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: If you want to go into that. And it's tying
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: to Spielberg. They're saying Spielberg's next project is an adaptation
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: of the novel Robo-pocalypse. The ambitious science fiction epic will
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: be Steven Spielberg's first return to the genre since War
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: of the Worlds, or it says, or Indiana Jones and
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, depending on how you
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: categorize it. So, yeah, they're saying, Robo-pocalypse tells the story
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: of how the human race in the near future deals
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: with a robot uprising after becoming reliant upon the benefits
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: of robotics. Spielberg is expected to start filming in early
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: 2012 after wrapping up his long-planned Abraham Lincoln biopic. Uh, so, yeah,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: they've already chosen the release date of July 3rd, 2013.
• 18:40
  Speaker 11: So.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, holy cow. Yeah, he's gonna have to crank a
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: couple more movies out to get that out on time.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: I am kind of sick of the robot uprising theme.
• 18:52
  Speaker 12: It.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: It depends on how you do it. Again, it's like
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I almost want the more cheesy version. Like, iRobot was
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: kind of fun, you know? And it was like that
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: was because it was kind of dumb, but in a
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: way it was like, eh, you know what, you could
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: go along for the ride and it was fun. Where
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: when you take it more of the Terminator Salvation Road,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it's just like, ugh, who cares? So, I don't know.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: It depends on how they go. Again, it is starting
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: to get played out. Robots may be the new zombies soon,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but they're pushing their luck on that one.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: I'm waiting for the robot zombie alien movie.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: We already had aliens versus ninjas. We can have aliens
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: versus robots versus.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Robot zombie aliens. I think that would be.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: And this one, I don't even care about the story.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I read the first part of it and went.
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: Wow, really?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: That's sad. In the last 13 years, comedian turned actor
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Chris Tucker starred in exactly three non-documentary movies and their
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: titles all started with the words Rush Hour.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: 13 years. All he's done is Rush Hour. That's it.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: I guess since Friday, he's been nothing but rush hour.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, the more I thought about it,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's sad, because as much as I
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: felt he was annoying and didn't like him as an actor,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: he was an up-and-coming actor. I mean, they put him in,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I was trying, I mean, he's in The Fifth Element,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and then they turn around and put him in, what
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: was the other one?
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: The.
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: I think the Rush Hour movies, though, may explain that. Because,
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: I mean, they started out really fun, and then by
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: the third one, it's just like.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Nobody cared. It's like most of that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: The third one, I could tell you nothing about it.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: It was Jackie Brown. He's in Jackie Brown. That's like
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: a huge project. Oh, yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: Jackie Brown.
• 20:39
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: So it's like to think that he was ending up
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: in those big projects with these huge directors, and then...
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: 13 years of nothing but fucking Rush Hour sequels. I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: don't know. That's sad to me.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: He's a good actor. Well, I'm not going to say
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: good actor.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: He's good at doing what he does. He knows how
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: to be really annoying. And sometimes that works. I mean,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: there's certain movies that I think you can make that work.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: And it has in those better ones we mentioned. By
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: the time you get to Rush Hour 3, nobody cares, obviously. So, yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: he has a new movie coming out. I... I don't know.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: The more I hear about all of these, it kind
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: of worries me. The movie is called The Rabbit. His
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: first post-Rush Hour movie.
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: It's about a depressed guy who has a puppet.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: It's a rabbit.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: He can only talk through the rabbit.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: Mel Gibson directed it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: He's got other ones coming, too. I'm trying to think
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: what the scary one.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: Somebody was sitting around, you know who we need to reboot?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I guess, because now he's got like three. There's one
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that he's like, Jennifer Lawrence and Robert De Niro are
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: in one with him. I'm like, what? No, which of
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: these things is not like the other? Don't put Chris
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Tucker in that movie. And then this is the one
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: that worried me. The other one is he's in, oh God,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: he's in talks to co-star in Neighborhood Watch, joining Ben Stiller,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Vince Vaughn, and Jonah Hill as a group of neighborhood
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: guys who concocted Neighborhood Watch as an excuse to get
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: more time to hang out together until things get serious. So, yeah,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that sounds terrible.
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with any of that,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: but don't put Chris Tucker in it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: You need a Wilson in there, too. Just throw one in. Oh, yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: It's like Vince Vaughn's last movie.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Right. Doesn't he have the death rattle yet?
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: Couple's Retreat was the last one I saw.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: It was horrible.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: What was the one that was, he finds out that
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: his friend's wife is cheating on him or something?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: That one just hit DVD. secret or i don't know
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the situation the dilemma yeah i think it's the dilemma
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: uh again that tells you that tells you well aren't
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: they all kevin james that's what was missing from this
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: last one was kevin james yeah i i i don't
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: know i can't do it i can see kevin james
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: sneaking around the street late at night falling down over
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: trash cans trying to watch the neighborhood you know i'm
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: proud of.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: The world for that zookeeper movie for not hitting Did
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: it not?
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I assumed it had a good opening, but.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: I heard nothing about it since its release.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: It obviously didn't make the money of the Mall Cop, but.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: No, the Paul Blart movie.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: But I assumed it probably still made their money.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, here I sit, and they're out
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: filming the second Zooty.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure they are. This one we just need
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to make fun of. So, Brendan Fraser, right off the bat,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: and the director of the Journey to the Center of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the Earth series, and Yogi Bear, by the way, will
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: reunite for William Tell 3D, a new historical action film
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: based on one of Switzerland's most and only famous folk heroes.
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: That seems like a joke.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Doesn't it? That's kind of the other one. I was like, oh,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: we kind of need to talk about this because it's
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: just funny. Wow.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: I wonder what the soundtrack will be like.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Brian Adams?
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Well, maybe some William Tucker.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: No.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Brian Adams.
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: Brian Adams.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, in 3D, because you need the arrow coming
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: at your face.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: I just....
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: We're just staring off into space and shaking our heads.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: It hurts.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: When I saw the Battleship preview, that one was pretty low.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, all right. We'll get to the last one. And
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: this one, it pains me, but I'm trying to go
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: in with an open mind. Because you know what? You
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: love it. It's time for the remake of the week.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: All right. This one, the only promise is there's sort
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: of decent people involved uh david katzenberg jeffrey sun and
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: seth graham smith the author who in the next year
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: or so we're going to see 14 of his projects
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: come out but he did pride and prejudice and zombies
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: abraham lincoln vampire hunter so he's got so much stuff
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: in the works right now none of it's hit yet
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: so i kind of but he seems like he's got
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a good feel for what he's trying to tap into
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: so they've set up their new production company cat smith
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: productions At Warner Brothers, and the two-year deal includes what
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: he wants to do as a sequel to Tim Burton's Beetlejuice. Wow.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: The intention is to reboot the Beetlejuice brand name by
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: advancing the story started by the 88 Supernatural comedy, and
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, the idea itself pains me. Because I
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: love Beetlejuice.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's almost untouchable.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, it's one of the reasons I came to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: love Tim Burton in his early days. It's probably one
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: of the reasons I had such a weird thing for
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Winona Ryder over the years. That's what I'm saying. It
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: introduced all these amazing aspects into my life at that point,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and to go back now and mess with it? I mean,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: just the visuals alone. I still can watch that movie,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and it's just amazing.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: So, I don't know.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: It worries me that they're going to try to touch
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it in general again. But again, I'm trying to be
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: as open-minded as I can. The reason that Graham Smith
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: got involved, he recently was working on the screenwriting for
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the Dark Shadows reboot, update, whatever the hell you're calling
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: that one, that Johnny Depp's going to be in with
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Tim Burton. So again, it's all sort of tied to
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: that world. So if he's tapped into that, this is
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: my only thing. If they can leave it alone and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: not mess with what was going on the first one
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and sort of go back into that world. Because I
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: think that's kind of one of my favorite things about
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: that movie is that little universe that they kind of
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: bring into being and all the crazy visuals and the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: crazy afterlife world. If you could go into that and
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: tell something else and sort of explore that weird world,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I would almost be on board for that because that
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I love and I would like to see more in that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: That's kind of like I was a big fan of
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the Beetlejuice animated series because it did that, because it
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: didn't really mess with what went on in the movie.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: In fact, it kind of changed a very major point
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: in it, and then it went off on its own way,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and it stayed in that weird afterlife world, and it
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: brought in all these new characters, and it did that
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: same creepy thing that was going on in Beetlejuice, but
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: it did it in a new, original way. If we
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: could do something like that, I'd be okay with it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: If they're going to drag out the old characters and
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: they're going to do stupid... I don't know. If they're
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: really going to make it a sequel, it's probably going
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to be horrible.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm thinking if it's a sequel, it might be...
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: We're going to work in this world and not redo.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Because I think if it was redone.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: It would just be... It would be horrible.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: If it was a reboot, I would really hate the idea.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: A sequel's almost more tolerable is the sad part.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I can... It's one of those things
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: where if you.
• 28:30
  Speaker 12: Brian, loving it, had money, had the talent to make
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: a film as a director and say, I'm going to
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: do this right before somebody else does.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, so if this is somebody who truly loves Beetlejuice,
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: isn't just, oh, what could I cash in on?
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Again, that's kind of why I had a little more hope.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know much of this guy. I haven't read
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: those things, but I just know that seems to be
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: his world. Like, he gets that. He's sort of in
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: his own, like, stage where Tim Burton was when he
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: was younger. So, you know, it's like, if he could
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: take what he's doing and sort of go another way
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: with it and do kind of what Tim Burton was
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: doing in his youth, it's like, that would be cool
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: and I would be okay with it again if you
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: don't mess with what was going on in the first
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: one or even draw too heavy from it. If you
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: just kind of take the, I mean, again, if you
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: want to bring the brand name that's the main character
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: they're gonna have to find some way to work that
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: in but I don't know I don't know if we're
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: going to get Keaton back I mean he's quite a
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: bit older now but he's.
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: I think he's still but again in.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: The makeup I don't know how you know you could
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: not worry so much about that because he looks horrible
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: anyway in the makeup so I mean you don't have
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: to worry about him being prettied up again so he's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: a dead guy what do you want I think.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Two things one I hope they don't go too much
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: CG Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: See, I hadn't even thought about that.
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: Damn it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: That could get bad.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: But the other thing, I think I'm almost ready to
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: trust somebody like that who's still clawing to try to
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: make it.
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Then I would be even Tim Burton-y. Yeah.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Truthfully, yeah.
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: I would be.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I would be way more worried if Burton himself wanted
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to do a sequel to it.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: I'd be throwing shit.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. If seeing what he's done with his last several,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: many of the projects in the last ten years.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be really upset if he wanted to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: touch it. I would be much more inclined.
• 30:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I would be upset, although if Michael Keaton wanted
• 30:36
  Speaker 9: to be.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: I'd have to see him do something again.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Again, if you took... Again, he's the title character. If
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: you wanted to take him and go an entirely different direction,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: just don't drag those same... Like, don't bring Lydia back
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: into it. Don't bring the couple back into it. I mean,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: half the actors you couldn't even get, or a couple
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: have died since then. So it's like, you're going to
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: have to do something different. drastically different anyway, so why
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: not just leave it alone and go an entire different direction?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I'd be okay if they wanted to bring Keaton in
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: on it. So I think you could take him, transplant
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: him to another town, another house, another haunting, or whatever,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: and if you're talented, I think you could make a
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: really cool story out of this. But we'll see.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: It still worries me, but yeah, I hadn't even thought
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: about the damn CGI. Damn it. Because that, again, why
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the visuals were so amazing in the first one is
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: because they were still practical. It was still clay animation.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: It was still, you know, stop-motion animation. It was, yeah,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know. CG will ruin everything. All right, that's
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: pretty much it for the buzz.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: Can we, like, change it from the buzz to depression
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: time or something?
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: We're supposed to be finding the good things in this.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: You should rejoice in the fact that for 13 years,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: we haven't really seen much of Chris Tucker. That's a
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: good thing. Come on, you have to get on board
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: What about Not So Great Expectations?
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: That's the sequel you need to put together. All right,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: we will take a break and be back with the
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: other segment of the week. I'm getting more coffee.
• 32:09
  Speaker 14: Shake, shake, shake, Sonora, shake your body line. Shake, shake, shake, Sonora,
• 32:15
  Speaker 14: shake it all the time. Work, work, work, Sonora, work
• 32:19
  Speaker 14: your body line. Work, work, work, Sonora, work it all
• 32:24
  Speaker 14: the time. My girl's name is Sonora. I tell you friends,
• 32:28
  Speaker 14: I adore her.
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: And when she dances, oh brother, she's a hurricane in all.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Kinds of weather.
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: Jump in the line, rock your body in time. Okay,
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: I believe you. Jump in the line, rock your body
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: in time.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, I believe you.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Jump in the line, rock your body in time.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: It's intermission, rise and stretch time. Time to refresh yourself
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  Speaker 3: and visit our snack bar. Got a yen for hot popcorn?
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• 32:58
  Speaker 3: sizzling hot. There's delicious coffee freshly brewed, and all kinds
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  Speaker 3: of ice cream and candy to tempt you. Showtime will
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  Speaker 3: be announced loud and clear to get you back to
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  Speaker 3: your car in time. So stretch your legs. Come to
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  Speaker 3: the snack bar now.
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  Speaker 9: Program the blast-off sequence.
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  Speaker 4: Ten, nine.
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  Speaker 5: Even in your wildest imagination. there has never been a
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: place like one future world we have ignition it's the
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: ultimate resort.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Aboard the starship you will be able to walk in.
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: Space the ultimate dream come true all the.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Girls the future world is pretty as you are oh
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: yes sir they come in all shapes and sizes whatever
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you desire and.
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  Speaker 3: The ultimate nightmare you will do what delos instructs you
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: to do i will do whatever delos instructs me to.
• 33:48
  Speaker 9: Do american international pictures presents peter fonda so.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: You're replacing human leaders with your own duplicates, huh?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Blythe Danner.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: What are you?
• 33:57
  Speaker 12: You.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: Arthur Hill.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Even those of us who create them can't tell the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: original from the duplicate.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: And Yul Brynner as the gunslinger in Future World. Rated PG.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Parental guidance suggested. You can't possibly succeed.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: We can and we will.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: After you've done it all, there's still Future World.
• 34:16
  Speaker 15: Okay, Carol, now you take these notes and then we're
• 34:19
  Speaker 15: about ready to begin.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, sure.
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: Whoa. What are you two doing here? We don't record
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: until tomorrow.
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: We're making a new promo for All Games Considered, since
• 34:26
  Speaker 15: you were dragging your feet getting one written.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Hey, she's right, though. It's been too long, and a
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: lot has happened since the last promo.
• 34:33
  Speaker 15: Yeah, like winning the gold NE for Best Gaming Podcast
• 34:36
  Speaker 15: for 2009.
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: You mean the one you try to work into the
• 34:38
  Speaker 11: conversation every other episode?
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Hey, now, now, there's more than that. There's the new format.
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: You mean the main show every two weeks and the
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: assortment of other features in the meantime?
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Right, like games you may never have heard of, the
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: review in new shows.
• 34:50
  Speaker 15: Don't forget the RPG buffet.
• 34:52
  Speaker 11: And on the main show, we have more time to
• 34:53
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• 34:55
  Speaker 15: Like board and card games.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: And RPGs.
• 34:57
  Speaker 11: And the people who play them from the old school
• 34:59
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• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Graham Elwood, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Pawn shot first.
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  Speaker 4: The kids and the neighbor kids had the discussion, who
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: were tougher, wizards or Jedis?
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: And I said, they're the same thing.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. And they're like, what are you two
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: talking about?
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: It's the same thing.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the sad part, is when the prequels come
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: out and you realize, this.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Is just a weird religious cult.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I used to like Jedis, and now they're just kind
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: of creepy.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're kind of dicks, too.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that, too. They've got weird attitude and... They dressed
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: funny and got weird hair.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: No wonder they killed them all.
• 36:15
  Speaker 9: I know. They would do the things that if you
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: were a Jedi, you would do. Like, you know, if
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: you're at dinner and Jar Jar's tongue flicks out and
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: grabs something, if you were a Jedi, you'd grab it
• 36:29
  Speaker 9: and you'd say, you will not say another word for
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: the rest of this fucking movie.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: No, I would just force push him through the wall
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: and out into the parking lot.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: I should have killed you the second I saw that.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: If somewhere right off the bat Jar Jar was like
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Mesa choking be like this is the best movie ever back.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: To the blu-ray version I would buy I was like
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: woohoo and they should have just dressed up all the
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: costumes that Natalie.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Portman was in they should have put her in a
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: professional costume.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Good lord the same one not a larger version.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: The same one.
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  Speaker 9: You know, Jar Jar was kind of like the pimp
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: character from Starsky and Hutch.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Huggy Bear?
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: Huggy Bear, or was it Rooster on Beretta? But he
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: was that guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's just walking around. So
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: what's happening on the street, Jar Jar? Mesa here.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: There's some shit going down. Did Jar Jar talk jive?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: He kind of did, actually.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: He did.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: He kind of did.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: It's okay, stewardess. I speak Jive.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Maybe. So he's like it was a racist character.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there's a lot of those. I mean,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: you look at the shop owner. I mean, they've said
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: that since it came out. They were like, uh. And
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: then the trade officials, those are weird accents.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: The Jedi Council really seems, the parallels a lot about Catholicism.
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: And the priesthood. I just think it... I don't know.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: We've decided. I know.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: You start to not like... That's the thing. If they
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: went in order, if it was one through six... By
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: the time I got to three, I'd be like, fuck
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: these Jedis. No wonder he's... Hurry.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: Up, Anakin.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Start off in these motherfuckers.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: I'd be killing those young ones, too.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: You get to four, and you just hear the mythical stories,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and they seem awesome. And yeah, you go back and
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: see what really happened according to the retro Lucas ideas,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh, I don't like these guys
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: And the lesson learned is you don't want to dig
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: too deep on Ancestry.com.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: You don't want to know.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Just.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: listen to the legends, and believe that your babysitter was
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: John Carpenter, and then just go on.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Just go on.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, Lord. All right, we're back, and it's time for
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: The Grind.
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  Speaker 8: Welcome to The Grind, y'all.
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: Got you where I want you.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: Girl, that feels so good.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Now, we've done it a few times in the past,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: but if you're not familiar with it, in this segment
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: we discuss a specific topic or question related to movies,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and as often as possible... we'd like those suggestions for
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: this segment to come from you, the listener. So, before
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: we get sidetracked on this one, let me go ahead
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and throw it out there. If you have any suggestions
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: or questions or topics or whatever you think we should
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: cover on this Grind segment... email them to us at geeksatmoviemeltdown.com,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: and we'll work them in there. That is specifically where
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: these last three have come from, and I've got a
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: couple I wanted to throw out there, but pretty much
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: everything so far has been listener-generated, so we want to
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: keep those coming in. On that note, this week's question
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: for The Grind comes from longtime listener Barbarella Cult, who asks,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: What clichés in movies drive you crazy? And she says,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: sorry if this in itself is a cliché question. I
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: don't think it is, actually. I don't think I've heard
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: anybody go on at great length about this. There's plenty
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: of little one-shots here and there, but I thought it
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: would be good to throw several of them together.
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: What clichés in movies drive you crazy? Where would you
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: like to begin on this one?
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 9: I would begin with, like, you know, what is a cliché?
• 40:39
  Speaker 9: Because there are a lot of things, like people say
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: are clichés in movies, that are really just observations, like
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: where you can see through the fabric of the fiction. Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: It's just like.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: That's a fine line.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: A thing they do in movies. It's... I don't know if...
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's a cliché.
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: Maybe... I don't know what.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: The broadest definition of cliché is.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of throwing a lot of them in there,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: so this one may just be let's make fun of
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: stuff that always happens in movies edition.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: That's not what it has to be. You know.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: I've... actually had that discussion.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: With people much more intelligent than I about what the
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: nature of a cliche is, because it's hard to define.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: And the answer that most scholars have come up with,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: it's pretty much what you want it to be. You
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: can't really pin it down.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: So if nothing else, yeah, most of, well, the couple
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: that first came to mind for me specifically, and then
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I started looking for other ones and threw it out
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: there to people, but I think if nothing else, the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: grand scheme of things is let's make fun of stuff
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: that always happens in movies. So we can also address
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: anything along the way that if it fits cliche or
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: if it's just something that happens a whole lot or
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: however we can elaborate.
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: Well, I looked around for some and saw a lot
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: of the same ones come up. And something we mentioned
• 41:57
  Speaker 9: not long ago was how sex is presented in movies.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: And those are things like immediately after sex, the woman
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: covers up. Some people call that the L-shaped sheet phenomenon.
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: The sheet goes down to the guy's waist, but comes
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: up over the woman's head.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: As it does, sure.
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: But some of them don't really bother me so much,
• 42:22
  Speaker 9: but they're still kind of fun if you find them
• 42:24
  Speaker 9: neatly expressed. I think Seinfeld once pointed out that You know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: Bond villains always, whenever Bond breaks into the compound, they say, oh,
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: come on in, Mr. Bond. Let me show you my
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: entire plan and then put you in a death machine
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: that doesn't work.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: The one that occurred to me earlier in the Bond
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: world was, don't give Bond anything. He breaks everything you
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: give him. You give him a fancy new car, he
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: smashes it. You give him a cool new toy... He
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: breaks it and uses it. Yeah, and it's useless after that.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: So, yeah.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, at least they, within the series, made fun
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's almost... That's almost some... That's not a cliche.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: No, see, that's not a cliche. It's just one of
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: those things that... It's a joke within the series as
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: time goes on.
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: An inside joke in the series. But it reminds me... Well,
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: the way somebody else... I saw somebody put that was
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: that spies... hide their occupation by driving the most expensive
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: cars and staying.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: And that reminds me.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Dressing in tuxes.
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: Yes, that's how they hide. And that reminded me of
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: a movie thing, and it was when Lolita came out,
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: the most recent Lolita.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: And the first five minutes of it, he's telling.
• 43:48
  Speaker 9: About his childhood growing up, and he says when he
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: was a kid he wanted to be a spy. And
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: right then I'm like, fuck, this isn't going to work.
• 43:57
  Speaker 9: It's not going to work. Because I know in the
• 43:59
  Speaker 9: book he wanted to be a famous spy. And I
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: don't know if that extra word was going to put
• 44:05
  Speaker 9: this fucking project over budget. But why would you cut
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: that word?
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes a huge difference in character.
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: Because it's exactly like one of those unrealistic hopes of youth.
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: And it's also just so... Nabokovian in the style. He
• 44:25
  Speaker 9: wanted to be a famous spy, and those are like.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: It's an oxymoron.
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they cancel each other out. And I'm just like,
• 44:35
  Speaker 9: why would you do that? Why would you fuck up
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: that line?
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: You lose all the nuance of the character. Why are
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: you even mentioning it? I don't know. Anyway, so that
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: reminded me of that.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I had two that before I get, because I
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: checked into it, and again, I threw it out to people,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: so we'll get to all the other ones. But there
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: were two that were specifically mine that first came to
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: mind that I wanted to get to. One that has
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: really come up a lot recently. But first I'll get
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: to the one that for years I've thought is ridiculous,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: how often it happens. And a lot of these I've
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: noticed looking through all the rest of them are very
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: 80s-oriented movies. They're stuff that has sort of corrected themselves
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: as time has gone on, because I think they've realized
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: how ridiculous some of them are. But this one was
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: definitely very predominant in the 80s. Okay, we'll set up
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: the shot. Here it is. Our heroes are going to
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: be running from an explosion. Oh, yeah. And they will
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: be just out of reach of the fireball.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: If I was making a movie, the first thing I
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: would do is have them running from an explosion and
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: they burn up. They don't make it out. Just to
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: be different, I would want them to get charred by
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the fireball.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 45:48
  Speaker 9: Just to be different.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I would make my movie the new Final Destination and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: find a way to kill them right off the bat
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: because every other movie, it's ridiculous how much that happens.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: One of the movie awards, I think, had a uh,
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: walking slowly away from an explosion.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Uh, tough guys don't look at explosions.
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: It's kind of a slightly different one to jump from
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: the explosion.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: That's one.
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: But, but the hero always sets off the explosion and
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: doesn't look back.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: But Sodom and Gomorrah of, of explosion.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: It happens all along.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: Uh, no country for old men.
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: Yep. Yep. He blows up that car and it's, it,
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: It's also kind of cooler because he has that weird
• 46:37
  Speaker 9: limb going on. And he walks back there and gets
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: into the drugs. And I didn't get to mention this
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: when this movie came up, but I wanted to mention
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: my son watched that movie. And he said, he described
• 46:47
  Speaker 9: that guy, Shigar. He said, he's like a cross between
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: a Scooby-Doo villain and Velma.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Once again.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: Can he come next time?
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I keep trying to talk him into it.
• 47:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: He's an insightful kid.
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: How come I can't come up with something like that?
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: It's not genetic.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Kids one-upping you. That is a very different setting, though.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: There's the running away from just escaping. I probably just
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: set this off. But, I mean, that's like, I'm thinking
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: like Desperado, he does that. But I'm thinking even recently, like,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: that's your opening scene in Drive Angry. Nicolas Cage walking
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: away from blowing up cars. And it's just, it happens
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: many times in that movie, if I remember. But it definitely,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: the opening scene is him walking away, completely ignoring the
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: fact that this massive explosion is going on behind him.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, is that saying that I'm so, I don't know.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: Because if I blown something up, I would be clapping.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: There would be some ooh-ing and aah-ing going on. Ooh,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: look at that.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: Ooh, look at the fireball. Something.
• 48:05
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: The other one, I guess. That was kind of the
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: first one that has been for years has bothered me.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: The other one that. I've always thought it, and I've
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: mentioned over the last many episodes here how I've been
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: going through this series. This series is probably the most
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: guilty of this next one. Just this past couple of weeks,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Scream 2 was on cable. It's the only one of
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: them I hadn't gone back and re-watched since the fourth
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: one came out. So now I've seen all four in
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: the last couple of months. If ever there was a series,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: but this happens in horror movies in general, of the
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Singing Knife series. The knife that for no reason will
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: make that blade noise coming out of a piece of felt.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: There is no reason. Like, he's pulling it out of
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: his costume. He's not pulling it out of a big
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: metal sheath. Why would it make the... Why would it
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: make that fucking noise?
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: That makes me... Now I'm trying to remember what were
• 49:04
  Speaker 9: some of the early movies when people were talking on
• 49:06
  Speaker 9: cell phones and when they hung up there was dial tone.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: The audience didn't know that the call was over without
• 49:14
  Speaker 9: dial tone.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: That is another one. I've heard people complain about the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: fact that, or if you let it sit there like...
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: at some point you'll hear on a cell phone, busy
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: signal kind of noise, and they're like, that doesn't happen
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: on cell phones. That's a landline kind of thing only.
• 49:29
  Speaker 9: Or in the dramatic ending of Last of the Mohicans,
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: where he's been running up and shooting Indians and then
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: picking up their guns. to shoot the next one, because
• 49:39
  Speaker 9: these are like, you know.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: One shot, yeah.
• 49:42
  Speaker 9: And he gets to the end, and there are several
• 49:45
  Speaker 9: guys there, and it's the big showdown where.
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: His dad is going to fight. What's his name? And
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: he picks up the gun, and he goes, Right.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I said, what?
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: What is that?
• 49:58
  Speaker 9: I guess that's, you know, the sound people associate with,
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: don't move or I'll shoot you, so they have to
• 50:06
  Speaker 9: put it in there.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: The shotgun pump.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: The first use of the shotgun, I suppose. The Mohicans
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: invented the shotgun.
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 50:17
  Speaker 9: Here's one, an observation I'd never thought about, but I
• 50:20
  Speaker 9: kind of like. When somebody falls off a high building
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: in a movie, they always look back in the direction
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: they came from.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: They don't look down at where they're going.
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: They're like, look what I'm leaving behind.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: They always look up. Yeah.
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: I never noticed that, but as soon as somebody mentions it,
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: I can think of all the movies where the.
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: Guys look up. Like Die Hard.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I've got a list here.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: The one that's been bothering me most lately, maybe in
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: the last ten years... is that everyone knows Kung Fu.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: Everyone is able.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: To pull off the greatest, and it's like some blend
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: of this mixed martial arts, not just Kung Fu.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: They know Muay Thai, they know everything, and they can,
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: I think it might be since The Matrix, that everybody.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: Downloaded the Kung Fu into their.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: Brains, and, you know, it's the snake eyes from G.I.
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: Joe Syndrome. I think it's from Seven Stone. Yeah, I do.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: Rosetta Stone has a Kung Fu. You know, Snake Eyes
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: was just a commando, but he kind of looked like
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: a ninja, so they made him a ninja.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Obviously, yeah. Like you do.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: He carried around an Uzi, then all of a sudden
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: he had a sword.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: And now he's like the greatest ninja ever, and what
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: happened to the commando shit? So anyway, the everybody knows
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Kung Fu or everyone's a ninja kind of.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: Gets a little old.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: What year was Matrix? That was in the 2000s, wasn't it? See,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I was trying to do the math here because the
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: first time I brought that to someone's attention was when
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I was going back watching Buffy the Vampire Sager, the series,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: every vampire was the most high-level kung fu. If you
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: became a vampire, you somehow knew... I mean, I can
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: understand the Slayer. She's trained her entire life. I understand
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: the Slayer knows kung fu. She's learning it specifically.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: Probably a really fine embroidery.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, what are you going to do?
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: They work puzzles.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: But that predates it. That was 97. So the Buffy
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: vampires were even pre-Matrix. Then everybody knew. Suddenly everybody knows
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Kung Fu, especially if you're undead. Actually, it's funny. While
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: we're on that, I threw it out there on our
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Facebook page here. I threw the question. We just got
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: a couple of responses, but it's funny that Shannon wrote
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: in and said, that every Asian character in a movie
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: knows martial arts. Or computers.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: Well, that too.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that may just be more stereotyping.
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: Well, yeah, that's kind of like the black guy who's
• 53:01
  Speaker 9: like a working service person who just takes complete satisfaction
• 53:06
  Speaker 9: in his job serving people. That one just disgusts me
• 53:10
  Speaker 9: when I see it. And I've seen it in romantic
• 53:12
  Speaker 9: comedies and stuff. It's like, The black guy who's like, well,
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: that's what I do. And then the couple kisses and
• 53:18
  Speaker 9: the whole crowd applauds instead of going, get a room.
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: And they're the only ones who, they're the main characters
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: in the world.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: As they should be. That's how I look at my life.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: It's just a really sad movie.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: I hate romantic comedies in general, but I have a
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: lot of problems with romantic comedies. And I've mentioned this before,
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: the Making Light of Cheating Yeah.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I do have an issue with that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: It's more romantic to cheat.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: And the guy who, he's boring or he's not quite perfect,
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: and then the next guy that comes along is the
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: greatest thing ever and he has no flaws.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: And it's just, and maybe that's what life is.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I was about to say, that's a little too close
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to the real world is.
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: The sad part. It's a cliche, but.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Until you then divorce that guy and hook up with
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: the new guy and you realize, oh, this guy has
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: all the same flaws. I was just overlooking him because
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I hated my husband so much.
• 54:16
  Speaker 9: I've seen very well-reviewed literature where it's not only does
• 54:22
  Speaker 9: that happen, but it happens several times in the same story.
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: So is that really, are.
• 54:28
  Speaker 9: You committing to that observation that first boyfriends are assholes
• 54:33
  Speaker 9: and second boyfriends are really good guys? Yes.
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: It's just a bit much to take.
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: And then, you know, the book I'm thinking of, which
• 54:41
  Speaker 9: I don't want to mention because I've met the author
• 54:43
  Speaker 9: and he's a nice guy and he's a good writer
• 54:45
  Speaker 9: in some ways, but holy fuck. And then I find
• 54:48
  Speaker 9: out it's the first book of a trilogy and it's like, God! Yeah, sorry.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Well, along with that is the female that... can't decide
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: between the two guys.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've bitched about that one too.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: I'm like, fucking make a decision.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of truth in that. Not just one movie,
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: but dozens of movies, but you can make an entire
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: movie from that. I don't give a damn.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: And my complaint is always, most of the time, they're
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: both wrong. And she still picks one. And I'm just like,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: fuck that.
• 55:22
  Speaker 9: I love broadcast news.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: That's the one time.
• 55:25
  Speaker 9: That's the movie where You know, life doesn't come down
• 55:29
  Speaker 9: to her choosing this.
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: Guy or that guy.
• 55:32
  Speaker 9: It's just the one guy is the one guy, the
• 55:34
  Speaker 9: other guy is the other. And she doesn't have to.
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: And you go on, and neither of them are around.
• 55:39
  Speaker 9: And then I read this essay by, what's his name,
• 55:42
  Speaker 9: John Updike. And he's like, oh, that frustrates us that
• 55:45
  Speaker 9: she can't fight.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: What?
• 55:48
  Speaker 9: It was the greatest romantic comedy ever made. I love
• 55:53
  Speaker 9: that you call John Updike, what's that guy?
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: What's that guy? That's like Francis Ford Coppola. You know,
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: just that one director.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: That one guy. That one guy, whatever. I think he
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: makes movies.
• 56:04
  Speaker 9: A fabulous writer of great stories and stuff, but what
• 56:10
  Speaker 9: the fuck? What are you talking about with that movie?
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: I love that movie.
• 56:16
  Speaker 9: I mean, on the other hand, what's that one guy,
• 56:18
  Speaker 9: that director, James Brooks, man?
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: What a career.
• 56:22
  Speaker 9: That guy has had. And, of course, you know, broadcast
• 56:25
  Speaker 9: news is kind of the same basic material as the
• 56:27
  Speaker 9: Mary Tyler Moore show.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: But it's so masterful, and it also has Holly Hunter.
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: So I just.
• 56:37
  Speaker 9: Really love it. And, you know, I love the movie
• 56:39
  Speaker 9: that he– compared to broadcast news, which was overboard. He
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: loved overboard, hated broadcast news.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm cool with overboard.
• 56:50
  Speaker 12: It's a fun, enjoyable movie.
• 56:55
  Speaker 9: I don't have to find happiness with one or the other.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Did you have more? I've got more. I was going
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: to say, I've got.
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: Go back to your list.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Well, the only other one I was just going to
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: go through, the one that someone else came through was...
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: This was Robert online sent us the evil twin scenario.
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'd forgotten about that one. That
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: one's more soap opera-y.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: It is. But it's fun.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: It's been in movies, but it seems like it's been
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: a while. I can't even think of some 90s ones,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: but I can't... In the last... Several years have we
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: seen another evil twin movie?
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I can think of a couple, but
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: it's still, it's been a while. So maybe it's time
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: for the reboot of the evil twin scenario.
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: I think the evil twin thing in soap operas is
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: part of a series of degrees of death that they
• 57:43
  Speaker 9: have in soap.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. You don't just die. You can be dead.
• 57:46
  Speaker 9: You can be really dead. You can be totally dead.
• 57:49
  Speaker 9: You can be dead, but then you're an evil twin.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:55
  Speaker 9: I remember reading somebody had put together, and this was from,
• 57:58
  Speaker 9: you know, the writers.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: You know, they know about this.
• 58:03
  Speaker 9: But one of the rules that was pretty cool is
• 58:07
  Speaker 9: if the audience doesn't see it, it didn't happen.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 58:11
  Speaker 9: It's like if people go off out of town and
• 58:14
  Speaker 9: get married in Vegas and come back and they're.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: Married, they're not married.
• 58:19
  Speaker 9: What's the point of them being married if we don't
• 58:21
  Speaker 9: get to see it?
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: But it's kind of like....
• 58:26
  Speaker 9: It's kind of like the horror movie cliche of, like,
• 58:29
  Speaker 9: the dead guy always gets to get up two or
• 58:31
  Speaker 9: three times.
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 58:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but that happens in quick succession, I think, and
• 58:39
  Speaker 9: soap operas, nothing happens.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's over a ten-year period you get to get
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: up ten times.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: It's fun.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, anybody that... Because I watched soap operas through
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: my mother. Anybody that says that's not fun to watch that,
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: I just wish they had a quicker pace.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my major job.
• 58:57
  Speaker 9: In a way, it's kind of like that's what gives
• 58:59
  Speaker 9: them color because you wind up later thinking, oh, remember
• 59:04
  Speaker 9: back when this was sort.
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: Of going on?
• 59:07
  Speaker 9: And you remember your, you know, that time in your life. Yeah.
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: It just sort of soaks into it.
• 59:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: Along the line of Evil Twin, I think this goes
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: with it, too, that I'm sick of this cliche, is
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: the switched bodies.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: And we brought it up with.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: We brought it up last time, yeah.
• 59:29
  Speaker 9: But.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: it's, well, I mean, it was played out in the 80s. Again,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: most of these, the 80s became very guilty of, and
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: it beat that premise to death in the 80s, and
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: we got away from it. They realized, okay, we beat
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: it to death, we're done, and then a couple came
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: back in the 90s, and then, like, it's made its
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: way now every five years or so. It's like, we
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: gotta drag it out again and do another body-switching movie,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: and I don't, I mean, it's our own fault if
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: we keep buying the tickets. So, I mean, you know,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: it's like, we keep fueling this bullshit.
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: Like, um, Go Jamie Lee Curtis.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Freaky Friday.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: Oh, that one.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 13: That one got me into trouble because when my kids
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 13: were little, I used to do spoonerisms. Like, you know,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 13: you'd say two words and I'd reverse the first consonants.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 13: And then somewhere in that movie, she said she called
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 13: her mom a fun sucker.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: I didn't see that coming.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: That's a good one. Yeah, yeah. That was an okay movie, though. Really?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 9: They switched bodies.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: For what it was trying to do.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 6: Just to see Jamie.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 9: Lee Curtis look in the mirror and go, I'm the
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 9: Crypt Keeper.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: You saw that in the preview.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. You get the whole thing in
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: the preview.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 9: I don't know if I actually watched it. I just
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 9: remembered there was something fun about it. Yeah.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: It's also one of the last times you get to
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: see Lindsay almost acting. I mean, that and Mean Girls,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: and then she was kind of done.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: You know, I had somebody, I saw somewhere that they
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: listed Mean Girls as one of the 20 worst movies.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: Of the past.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what is that?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 9: It's crazy.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: That's, I mean, written by people that have talent. It's
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: got good talent in it. It's not a bad movie.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: No, it's really well made. Yeah, the fact that Lindsay
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Lohan did it.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: And it plays off of that, all of those cliches
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: of the mean girl movies.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: I think it's well, very well done.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it knows, again, it's Tina knows those genres and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: she's sort of working with the worn out high school
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: girls movie and sort of plays on it. Yeah, I
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: disagree with that.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not the greatest.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 9: Movie in the world, but it's definitely a good movie.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 9: It's not the worst of any kind of movie. Well,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 9: There are other, like, clichés that are all just basically,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 9: you know, how things, how time gets compressed in movies
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 9: because we don't want to watch boring stuff for a
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 9: long time. There's, like, you know, things always arrive on time. Things,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 9: you know, people always do something quick. Like, especially in
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 9: old movies, the way people used, like, Bogart used to smoke, like,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 9: two puffs and then he tossed the cigarette. Or people
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 9: would get on the phone and, like, tap it and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 9: it's like, yeah, hello. I think they call that smartening
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 9: the action. But there are some that just really piss
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: me off. I can remember being pissed off by certain
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 9: things in certain movies. There was one that didn't really
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 9: piss me off, but for a while my wife used
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 9: to watch this TV show called Friday the 13th.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: I remember that, yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: There would be some sort of strange occurrence, and it
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 9: would always wind up, having something to do with one
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 9: of the little curios in their shop.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I remember at the time really liking that show. I
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: haven't watched it since then, but it is one of those,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: it works on an individual basis, but when you watch
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: the whole season, you're just like, for God's sake, it's
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: the same scenario.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 9: It's like, how come when something weird happens, they don't go... Well,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 9: you want to look around the shop here and see
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 9: if one of these objects maybe has... And so I
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 9: brought that up and I ruined the show for Lynn.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: She's like, well, now it's not fun.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: They knew, but yeah, those people didn't know. They had
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: to get it back from them.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: I just remember kept expecting an episode that had Jason.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: never did.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why they titled it that. That seems
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: like that was the worst thing for them.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: A weird choice.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: I also remember about that time I would open up
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: the newspaper that had what shows were coming on and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: I would see E.T.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: Was coming on and I'd be like, E.T.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: 's on TV!
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Oh!
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: It's only a half an hour long. What the hell? Weird.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: It's like broken up into a week's worth?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: Sadly, I'm stupid. More than once as a child I
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: was fooled by Mary Hart.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, Mary Hart.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 9: One thing that used to piss me off was, I
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 9: don't know if you remember that movie Powder, where a
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 9: guy looks like Michael Stipe. He can make shit happen
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 9: with his brain. But things that always pissed me off
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 9: were like the representation of intelligence in movies. And it
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 9: would be like, they would always say something like, his
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 9: intelligence test, he's scoring off the chart. It's like, Well,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: who made this.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: Part of the chart? The aliens?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 9: Who the fuck made the area that he scored at?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 7: There's no way to score off the chart.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 9: Doesn't it occur to you that he probably knows some
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 9: shit you don't? So he's probably like... giving wrong answers
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 9: from your point of view, he's probably getting a low
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 9: B because he can make lightning come down and hit shit.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 9: So that always pissed me off. And it kind of
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 9: pisses me off in that Facebook movie, too. Because, well,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 9: for one reason, it's like a lot of the things
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 9: people go on about cliches.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: In movies, it's usually their professions.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 9: You know, people will say, well, look, I do, like,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 9: CSI work, and no, we don't have something. Or doctors
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 9: will say, how come on house all the doctors are doing.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: Their own lab work?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 9: Who does their own, like, lab stuff?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: Or, you know, police work.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 9: They'll say, yeah, I wish we could get, like, a
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 9: sample that would tell us all this stuff.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: But I think the root.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 9: Of it is it's the success story. It doesn't matter
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 9: what profession people are in. It's just they're telling a
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 9: success story, and it has to go a certain way,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: and things have to happen. And the thing that really
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 9: gets me about the Facebook movie is it's still, the
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 9: ink isn't even dry, and already somebody's stepping up to say, No,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 9: we're not interested in what's really happening. We want to
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 9: tell our version of it.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: We don't want.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 9: Howdy Doody to have created this thing. We want Rain
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 9: Man on acid to be going around making bitchy comments.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: We don't want some.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 9: Guy who's been seeing the same girl since he was
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 9: in college and seems to.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: Be having it.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 9: No, we want a guy who, like, can't make relationships work,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 9: and he's fucked up.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Because it's better for the story.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 9: Well, that's what that guy says.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 9: But I went back and watched, like, some early West Wing,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 9: and I'm just like, how come everybody in the White
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 9: House talks like Mark Zuckerberg?
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: I don't get it. That's, like, what a flavor of
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: You know, and.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: It's all one-offsmanship. It's like, how come everybody in Pulp
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Fiction talks like Quentin Tarantino? It's like, when you get
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: a writer that's that identifiable, as either of those people are,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: it's like you can't have different characters. They all start
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: to sound the same.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: How come every kid on Dawson's Creek talks like.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: I haven't managed to watch that.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: But they do. And it's the same. It's not like
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: it changes. You watch, like, The Faculty. It's the same
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: language they speak in Dawson's Creek, it's just a little darker,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: but it's like, it's how he writes, and it's like,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: it's his voice that comes out of every character.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: Or Juno is probably the one that she, like, both
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: created and ended her career.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: In one movie. Yeah, basically, she launched herself and drove
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: the nail in the coffin all in the same movie.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: God love her.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 9: The other, like, obligatory scenes that bother me, and It
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 9: didn't bother me growing up, but Perry Mason, you still
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 9: see this, like the courtroom breakdown confession.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah. You still see that.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: It's in every movie, yeah.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 9: It never happens in real life.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: People don't do that.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Once they make up.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 9: Their mind that they're not going to confess.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 9: They don't suddenly go, no, I think I will confess
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 9: because I'm angry.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: They sit there and say no, even if they're not convincing,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: and then they don't get convicted anyway, but they don't
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: just change their mind.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no such thing as a courtroom drama. There's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: no drama in a courtroom. It's boring.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Except when they jump across the bench and try to
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: attack you. That happens on occasion.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 9: Like, um.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: A Few Good Men, that never would have happened.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: They would have shut that.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: Shit down right away. Shut up, shut up. And they
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: would have got up and put their fucking hand over
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: his mouth and shut up.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: So, yeah. Yeah, that's one of those examples where that
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 9: scene happens again. And you see that scene in movies
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 9: and TV all the time.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: You never hear about it. Another one is, you know,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: in many ways a.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 9: Great movie, Traffic. But Michael Douglas gets up to deliver
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 9: the drug czar speech. and gets a little ways and
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 9: he goes i can't do this and goes off book
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 9: when have you ever seen that right in.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Other movies yeah yeah in other movies that happens in
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: movies when at the end he gets up and he's
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: like i had a big speech prepared for you But
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. This is John Grisham, actually,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: because I think, what's the, uh, A Time to Kill.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: A Time to Kill. That's the one I was specifically
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: going with.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: It's like, but instead. Would you change your own book?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: That's, yeah.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: It's like, instead, I'm just going to give you the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: facts and let you make up your own mind, or
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell. It's basically that same scenario that only
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: happens in movies.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 9: Another one I remember really pissed me off was, uh,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 9: Dead Poets Society.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 9: When they're hanging out with the girls from the local town,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 9: they're hanging out with the local girls, and the local
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 9: girls are all impressed and interested in poetry. I know
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 9: those girls. I grew up with those girls. Those girls
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 9: don't give a fucking shit about poetry. I happen to
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 9: know that for a fact. What was that about?
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: Poetry groupies.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: They wouldn't be.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: Poetry groupies because the guys writing the poetry have to
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: be so miserable and not getting women that if they did,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: they wouldn't write poetry.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: That's why you write poetry.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: I'll throw one out. I think we've even brought this
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: up before.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: The insane asylum prison scenario where It's an alternate reality
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: kind of thing where, oh, is it all in their
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: mind or is this really happening? Shutter Island comes to
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: mind or even Sucker Punch comes to mind. Oh, it's
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: not really what's happening.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 9: What's really going on?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: I think that's– I guess it's not so much prison
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: but that insane asylum thing that I don't know, I
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: feel bad for the people that are in those scenarios
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: that they think, oh, well, they're probably off in some crazy,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: you know, our minds are like, oh, they're probably off
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: in some crazy world when they're just fucking miserable all
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: the time.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: I've worked in a scenario where I was with people that.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: Were clueless about the world and what was going on.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: These were elderly people, and most of the time they
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: were scared. They were scared all the time. They weren't
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: in an alternate reality, but they didn't know why they
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: were there. They didn't know who they were. And they
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: were scared.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: They weren't off, you know, shooting steam robots, you know,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 5: with guns and shit like that.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: And I guess they glamorize it too much as well.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: But scared old person doesn't sound like an interesting movie
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 9: It doesn't.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: But it just seems cheap.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: That's why they do it.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: It just seems cheap.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 9: It is.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: But, again, it's that same thing. But it makes for
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: a better movie to do it this way. So this
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: is what we do. It's storytelling. So, I mean... There's
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: a fine line as to what's exploiting and what's just
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: good storytelling.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there are some things that are just handy.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 9: Handy stories, like I remember in Fitzcarraldo, he gets there
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 9: and the natives think he's a god. He's like, oh yeah,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 9: that again.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: Okay, cool. And, you know.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Happens to me all the time.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: I get mistaken for a god every day.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they had a legend about some guy who would, okay,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 9: good deal. That's pretty handy to have.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: The C-3PO thing.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I've been waiting for my golden god all
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: this time.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: There you are.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 9: And then in the simultaneous orgasm, there's always that.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: What, that doesn't happen?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: No. I don't know.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: But, you know, how would I know?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: Oh, sure.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not even going to comment on that. Leave that alone.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 9: There's the comedian who said, you know, like 70% of
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 9: women fake orgasm. 70%, which raises the question, who cares?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, somebody did that line. I wish I could credit.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: Do I look like I'm in this for you?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 9: But, like, this is a pet theory of mine. This is, like,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: the cliche, movie cliche, that, like, I'm going to make
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 9: a stand on. And I haven't gone back and watched
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 9: them all, but when I was a kid, I read
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 9: Huck Finn, and the book.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: Like, fucked me up for life.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 9: And I'd try to see, like, you know, they would
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 9: make versions of it.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: And it was Tom Sawyer. Huck Finn is Tom Sawyer.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: They still to this day.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 9: You know, Hemingway believed that that book invented American literature.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 9: And Hollywood can't even cast it. You can't even cast
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 9: the kid, the dirty little urchin, who would be Huck Finn.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: And that's what I.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 9: Think is wrong with American movies. When they make a
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 9: credible version of Huckleberry Finn... then movies will be different forever.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 9: It should be dirty and dark.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: Dark, exactly. Oh, yeah.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 9: And if you see it like when you're in fourth
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 9: grade or whenever I read that book, it should mess
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 9: you up.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 9: It should be like Deadwood or something.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 9: Well, that's my, you know, but they always, and I've
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 9: got like a bunch of them together, but I just
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 9: don't have the will to watch them. all these versions
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 9: of Huckleberry Finn because they're just entirely wrong from the beginning.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: It's too Disney.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: It's Tom Sawyer.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to make that movie.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if, especially in this world, I don't
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: know that they'll ever even want to touch that movie.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: Well, and now it would seem far too racist.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: Definitely now. We can't even print the book, for God's sake.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: But if they could.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 9: Make it, and Mel Gibson and Joe Esterhall.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: Get together. These great minds come together. Yes, if we could...
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: And make the tale of a Jewish boy that heads
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: down the river with hipster Jim.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 9: Oh, Lord.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: I'm at the point where I've pretty much told.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: All my stories, and I'm just like a collection of
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 9: a few LPs that play over again.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: You can speed them up and slow them down. Oh, Lord.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: If you play them backwards....
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: It becomes a little different.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I'm going to throw one out.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: And I know this is because this is a solid
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: filmmaking device. But I think it's overused. Well, there could
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: probably be several of them. But this one, it's the
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: montage to establish relationship.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. That they just cram a whole bunch of
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: shit in there.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: I understand its need, but I agree at this point
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: it is so overdone that it's ridiculous.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: We can be smarter and time can progress if you
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: shoot it right and you write just a few words.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: To show familiarity.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Jump ahead.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: And without that montage, and maybe the montage is just
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: to fill time, I don't know. But jump ahead and.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: write a few good lines of dialogue that show that
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: they know each other better. Like, you know, just some
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: familiarity or comfort level or that a couple is in
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: sync or something.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: But don't just show me a five-minute.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: Montage with, you know, a Matchbox 20 song and just.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: It's old, it's boring, and it's a waste of time.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's just easy. And from both ends. It's
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: easy on the filmmaking standpoint. Okay, we can progress really
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: fast and take this to the next level in the
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: relationship and knock it all out in about five minutes.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: And at the same time, I think audiences are dumb
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: on many occasions. So it's like if you made it
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: too smart and too sophisticated taking it to that next level,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: they'd be like, didn't I just meet yesterday? So you
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: cram together this five minutes of, oh, they've done all
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: this stuff. Look, now it's a lot lighter, and they're
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: bestest of friends. They went to dinner. Yeah, then they're
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: flying a kite, and they're longshore fishing.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: And she's missing an arm. But I just may as
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: well watch a commercial then.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 9: I don't fucking care.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Basically, yeah.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: So, but I....
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: I understand it, but it is played out at this point.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: A well-done montage can be a filmmaking tool that can help.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: Like the flashback. The flashback might be over a cliche now.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: Or not even a flashback, but the out-of-time sequencing.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Especially, I've seen it a.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: Lot lately in bad movies where they show the end
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: in the first scene.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: We've seen that. We've seen that. Think of something else.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: And there's some times that I like that And then
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: there's other times when I'm like, now I think you're
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: just doing it because other movies have done it. Again,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: it becomes lazy. It becomes, well, isn't this what you're
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: supposed to do in these kind of movies?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: Somebody gets out of film school and says, well, I've
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: got to do that because these four directors did that.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: That's exactly how it happens, actually.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: Both of those are getting old. Come up with something else.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: That's why Nolan, when you see Memento.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: That's why that was so groundbreaking. That wasn't just, which
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: is not in reverse... Everybody get that straight. It's not
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: in reverse. It's just sequenced backwards.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: It found a new way to do that. It's using
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: a similar version and then totally throwing the rules out
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: the window, and you have to go, wait, whoa, what
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: am I watching here? And it takes you halfway into
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: that movie to really start to piece together what you're
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: supposed to be doing, and then by the time you
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: hit the end, you're, wow, okay, I've seen an entirely
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: different movie than I thought I was going into. And it, yeah, it... Again,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: that's a brilliant way to use that. Most movies don't
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: do that. I did find a few that were just
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: kind of funny that I thought we could throw out
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: if you want. I do like, a villain will always
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: commit murder right in front of a window when someone
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: is watching with binoculars. Movie people can get cabs instantly
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: unless they're in danger whereupon no cab can be found.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: And along those same lines, movie passengers either don't pay
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: for cabs at all or have exact change.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: Right. Yeah.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: This one I do like because, again, the 80s era
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: of action movies... Bombs always have big blinking timers with
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: LED displays that tell you how much time remains. Now,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: if you were an evil genius building this bomb, would
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: you put a big visible display? Like, if you're blowing
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: stuff up, as long as you're gone, does it matter?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: Well, actually, that's so that he can time his slow
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: walk away from the bomb.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. But usually they set it for
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: like an hour or two so that the hero can
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: come in and stop it at one second. Because you
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: have to wait until one second remains before you, yeah,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: that's the other one.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 9: Well, a new version of that is like hackers in movies.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 9: Actual hackers just hate how there's like a graphic user
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 9: interface when they're hacking into the Pentagon.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: It's just lines of code and lines of code.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 9: That nobody bothered to design a nice little visual thing
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 9: so that Grandma could get into the Pentagon's files.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: You go to their website.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 9: And it says, want a hack?
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: Come here. Click here first.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: Click here to get the bomb codes.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: Download our hackers.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: Actually, when I was setting this up, there were all
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: these other individual ones, and then I got to that one,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: and I started thinking about it, and I was just like,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: computers in movies. Like, that's its own subsection of everything
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: that's wrong when you see a computer in a movie.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Everybody that, I don't know about you, but every time
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: I type, it doesn't beep all the time. Like, why
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: are they pounding away at the keyboard? It's just like
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: beeping away. I'm like, it doesn't do that.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: With hackers, I love the, we're almost in. The guy
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: that just keeps, you know, updating everyone, I've almost got it. No,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: it's either with your hacking, you're either in or you're not.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: Or you're working on it.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: You don't want to get in.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe he's following that little bar. It's like 97%, 98%,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: and then it'll reset to zero.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: You're like 98% and half. We're almost there.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: And luckily, that guy will have glasses, so it doesn't matter.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: That was another one I saw.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: That's so we know that he's the computer tech.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: All the guys that are your computer tech guys always
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: have to have glasses.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: Because they can't get contacts.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, really? It's like, have we not progressed past
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: the nerds wear glasses stage? I mean, really? Yeah.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 9: Cave chicks with shaved legs.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: That's nice. That is a good one.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: That is nice.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: This one I didn't even see. This one, one of
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: the ones I read, triggered this one. I was like, oh, yeah,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: I do hate this one. Hitting a fire hydrant.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Every movie, you had to run into a fire hydrant.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: Those aren't well made at all.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 9: You just tap it.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: You just tap it.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: It breaks the whole main. You're dead.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: But whether it was an action movie and the car
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: ran over it or a stupid comedy, somewhere along the way,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: somebody was hitting a fire hydrant.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 9: Well, the fire hydrant is the only thing that keeps
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 9: the car from exploding.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: Because otherwise, the car would just burst into flames.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Burst into flames, like they do.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: Well, same thing.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: Along with Kung Fu, everybody could drive a Formula One.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: They're all fantastic drivers. They can handle turns really well. Everyone,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: everyone can have a.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: Chase scene, and they're fantastic at it.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: This is one, yeah, I do, this is one of those,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: and of the stupid cliche things, this is the one that,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: or these type are the ones I think are funniest
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: because they're the kind that make you yell at the screen,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: which you get a lose again in horror movies, but
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: this one's even in thrillers. People being chased by a
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: car will keep running down the middle of the road
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: and occasionally swerving back and forth, but you don't just
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: get off the road? Like, go hide in a building? Like,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: why do they keep running on the road where the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: car is driving? Yeah, I have yelled at the TV
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: for that before. Just go left! That's all you have
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 9: In any fight between two guys, the one with the
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 9: least practical weapon will win.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 9: You're a guy with, like, swinging a mace, and you're
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 9: fighting a guy with a fork, you're dead.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 9: Or, if you don't have a weapon in a fight,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 9: what you should do is, like, be sure to take
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 9: notice of any object that the camera has lingered on for.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: An unnecessary length of time. Because that will turn the tide.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Well, that's like in.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: Cartoons, especially in the 80s. If you saw a line
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: of four rocks, and one of them was slightly brighter
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: in color than the rest of the rocks, that rock's
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: getting moved.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: That's getting used at some point.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Somebody's smacking somebody in the head with that rock in
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: a minute.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: Because they can't handle, you know, in the big production room,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: you know, in South Korea, painting all those, which one's
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: going to be, oh, it's the lighter colored one.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: That's the one that's going to be raised. This one
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: over here, yeah. This was one I saw and I
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: hadn't thought about it, but it became really funny when
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: I did. If you're alone in the backseat of a car,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: make sure you sit in the middle. I'd never thought
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: about that, but I was like, yeah. Do you ever
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: do that in the real world? Do you ever just
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: sit randomly in the middle, specifically in the middle of
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: the two leads?
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: Well, same thing. If you're at a dinner table and
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: there are four of you, One side you can't use. Yeah.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: So you can sit the camera there.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 9: And that's like the illustration of the fourth wall of
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 9: the movie.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: Everything turns out. The TV's always on the fourth wall. Yeah.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: Always on the fourth wall.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: But I thought the car, the back seat was funny
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: because I was like, yeah, I hadn't thought about that.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: But that's just perfect framing from a movie standpoint. But
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: at the same time, in the real world, do you
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: ever just sit in the middle?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: That's funny.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 9: It's like, And somebody putting gloves in the glove compartment.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 9: It just does not occur.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't happen.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: Everyone has, on TV and movies, has a couch in
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: the middle of the room, not against the wall. Their
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: living room is big enough that they can walk behind it.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: Because everyone I know, their couch is up against the wall.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Usually, yes.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: You can't walk behind it. Unless it's a different, you.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: Know, a style house where that's the center room.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: A weird layout, yeah. Yeah, in every.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: Television show and movie, you can walk behind the couch.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: Um yeah kind of uh this is another one of
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: those of the chase scene going on on the street
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: there's always people carrying a large sheet of glass during
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: the car chase and i was thinking have you ever
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: seen anyone carrying a big sheet of glass out in
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: the street in the world.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: All of them are used in movies.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: I guess. I'm assuming there's a lot of glass out
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: in the world. It probably happens. But I was like,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: have I ever actually seen... No.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: I've seen it on trucks.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: I've seen it on trucks. But I've never seen two
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: guys carrying a big pane of glass down the street
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: waiting to get hit by a car. I've never seen that.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: And along that line, once again, it's like they're making
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: fun of the reaction times of people that work on
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: the street. They're like, yeah, that old guy who runs
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: the fruit cart, don't worry about him. He will leap
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: just out of, you'll almost run him over, but he'll
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: leap just out of the way in time, and he
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: won't be upset about it because that cart's been hit
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: four times this week anyway.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: Window washers in movies have the worst rigging systems ever.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: They all fail and fall at some point. Yes, they do.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: And there's no safety system to keep them from falling.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: Oh, man.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 9: Well, that's like how in cartoons animal traps always have teeth,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 9: jagged teeth. But they just don't because it would just
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 9: bite off the animal's foot.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: And then they limp away, yeah.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 9: It's just one of those things that they represent that way,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 9: and it's become a tradition.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: I like this one. In situations like war or violent
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: inner-city neighborhoods, the person with the most plans, prospects, and
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: hopes will die. I was like, yeah. If you're in
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: a war movie and you start talking about what you're
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: going to do back home.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: If you have a picture of your girlfriend who's dead.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: If you've recently had a child.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. You have a child. You pull out that picture.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: You might as well just hand the other of your
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: dog tags to your friend.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: Say, give these to somebody back home, because I'm going
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: to be gone in a minute.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: I think I'd watch and stick it up your ass.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: I have to prove this theory, but if you're named
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: after a state, I think you always die in a movie.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: A state or a city. I think... geographical locations.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: Alabama lived.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: That was really the first one that came to mind.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 9: Somebody said, girls named after fruit are easy. But I
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 9: couldn't think of a single girl named after fruit. Apple.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Apple. That poor kid's going to get nailed.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: Here's one that I had. It's the dad works too much.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: The kid's complaining that dad's always gone, but they had
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: everything they could ever want.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 5: I have an upper middle class lifestyle. I've got a
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: car to drive and that's the.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: The refrigerator stop and the best friends in the world
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: but my dad works too much.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: But my dad's always gone.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: Teenagers don't give a fuck about their dad.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah you buy them enough stuff they don't know that
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: you're even gone.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 7: My dad works too much yeah and they always come
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: down for breakfast and there's like this giant breakfast on
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 7: the table and everybody grabs like a piece of toast
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 7: and they're.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: Gone You take a bite of the toast.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: And yet they've made like a 20-pack of bacon. They've
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: got a stack to the ceiling of pancakes and waffles,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: and everybody just grabs a piece of bacon or a
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: toast to head out.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: Pee-wee took all that time making that breakfast and ate
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: a little bunch of cereal.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I was like, but look
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: at the face you made. Eat your pancakes, damn you.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: Eat your face.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: All that work to set up that contraption and take
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: a bite of it.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: You make it talk, but you won't eat it.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: But although ten minutes of sitting him watching him eat
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: would get a little weird.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: I suppose so. But in the real world, he should
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: eat that. A montage of him eating is what we need.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that wouldn't be good either. Why don't they just
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 9: fast forward those parts? Somebody gets to the airport, they
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 9: have to wait. And then they board.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: Or they just give you, like, an instruction manual. Like,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: when you get to this part, it gets really boring.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: Just skip on up to minute 47.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: Speaking of airports, how much room are in coach in airplanes?
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: There's so much.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: There's always those, you know, extra wide airplanes that have
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: their row of three in the middle.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: And everybody's got ample room to move around. You could
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: stand up. You know, throughout it.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 9: It's... Walk around behind the couch.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: Walk around behind the couch.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: You've got to make room for all those snakes. I mean,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: you've got to have a roomy place to fit your
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: hostages and your.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know how those two people had sex in
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: that bathroom on that plane.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: That's for sure.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: You've got to have room for your terrorists and your snakes,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 9: What about all the things that are like clear signals
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 9: that something bad is going to happen? Because I remember
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 9: the neighborhood where my kids went to school... I would, like,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 9: be walking around there, like, walking back to my car,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 9: and I'd think, man, if I was in a movie,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 9: some serious shit would be happening.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: Right about now.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 9: Or you go to one of those little corner, like,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 9: grocery stores, and you walk in, it's like a little,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 9: it's like a converted house that's like a bodega grocery store.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: You go in, you.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 9: Look around, it's like, this was a movie.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: There's going to.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 9: Be gunfire any minute now. As soon as I go
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 9: around behind the chip stand here, a nervous kid is
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 9: going to come in with a giant hand cannon. And
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 9: you're going to hear, shh, shh.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: Son, you got a panty on your head. Yeah.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 9: Parking lots, like the parking structures, walk to your car,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 9: it's like, It's a good thing this isn't a movie.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: I'd be getting attacked right about now. Like when someone
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: lights a match in a dark old house, the single
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: match has as much power as a thousand watt bulb.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Or they also said that when a person switches off
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: a light, you can still see everything in the room.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: It's just a slightly subdued color. It's never dark like
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: it is in the real world.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: No one ever bumps their shins in the dark either
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: in movies.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: Unless it's a romantic comedy. Right. And then she falls
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: down a lot.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: Well, we could go on with this forever. I guess
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: we can wrap up. Okay. I can wrap up with
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: this one, which is, a dying person's last words will
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: always be coherent and significant.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 9: Not just something like random neuron firing, like, Something, I
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 9: left the spinach in the garage.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go to school. And then dead. So, yeah,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I guess we can, much like that,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: just die here. Anything else we want to do on
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: this episode?
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 9: Simultaneous orgasm.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Not right now, thanks.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: What are we talking about, nits?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get some more coffee. You guys do
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: whatever you want while I'm getting more coffee. Okay, well,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: if we're done with that, there's plenty more. If we
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: need to return to this subject, we can always do
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: another one. So you guys write in and come up
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: with some other ones, or if you want to throw
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: those into another return to this subject, we can always
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: do that. So with that, I will say, okay, kids,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: get out your Dakota pins. That noise is so cliche
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: at this point. Oh, it is time for the Movie
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: Meltdown Secret Circle reveal of the next exciting feature.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: Set your pins to B2. Here is the message.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: Next week's movie will be Charlie Varick. If you're not
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: familiar with it, it is directed by Don Siegel. It's
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: a heist movie that stars, of all people, Walter Matthau. Plus,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: for those of you listening, I have three words that
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: should sum this up for you. Joe Don Baker.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 12: Hmm.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: That's really all you need to hear. You ought to
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: go get it right now. It's on Instant View. You
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: need to go watch it if for no other reason.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: But in general, it should be an interesting discussion. Plus,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: we'll have one from the vault story from the co-star
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: of the movie, Mr. Andrew Robinson. So, come back next
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: week for that one. Otherwise, that about does it. We
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 9: Seems like these days the whole world's on fire.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: Things keep blowing the hell up.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 8: And while all those rubberneckers and looky-loos stand slack-jawed staring,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 8: the real men have the nuts to walk away. Cool
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 8: guys don't look at explosions.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: They blow things up and then walk away.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 14: Who's got time to watch an explosion?
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  Speaker 8: There's cool guy Aryans that they have to walk to.
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  Speaker 9: Keep walking.
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  Speaker 1: Keep shining.
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  Speaker 5: Don't look back. Keep on walking. Keep strutting. Slow motion.
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  Speaker 8: The more you ignore it, the cooler you look. Ladies
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  Speaker 8: and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming Mr.
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  Speaker 5: Neil Diamond.
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  Speaker 9: Where are we?
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  Speaker 5: Cool guys don't look at explosions.
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  Speaker 8: They stride forward in their diamond-covered boots.
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  Speaker 16: They wear jumpsuits of glittery rhinestones.
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  Speaker 5: And walk away in slow motion.
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  Speaker 16: Keep walking, you're cruising. Cherry, cherry, sweet Caroline. Denzel walks,
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  Speaker 16: Will Smith walks. Mark Blower is wearing a hat.
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  Speaker 9: Be born solo.
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  Speaker 5: J.J.
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  Speaker 1: Abrams! Yeah!
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  Speaker 5: Now you're talking. Woo-hoo!
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Cool guys don't look at explosions the flames are hot
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  Speaker 8: but their heart is chill bump fast from that boring
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  Speaker 8: explosion and don't think about the people you killed.
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  Speaker 5: Two three four.
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  Speaker 9: Like look at that dude's flirtation look at that guy Just.
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  Speaker 1: Rip on people out the window.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, Jesus.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, God, that's so funny.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry. We're not going to be able to recover,
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  Speaker 5: are we? Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't know. I'll behave.
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  Speaker 6: This episode is a production of Movie Meltdown, produced and
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  Speaker 6: edited by the Oddity Studios, with opening music performed by
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  Speaker 16: Talk hard!