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Barbara Bound Bound Banger Management Fantasy Hockey
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I they don't call you the songbird of your generation for
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nothing. That's true.
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That's that's a melody. Heard me karaoke.
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Seriously. Seriously.
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Africa by Toto has never been sang in a more melodic tone.
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Than the way that you can. You can hit those notes.
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Yeah. So welcome in everybody to
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Bangor Management, the Fantasy Hockey Podcast with your host,
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Jake Arthurs and Kevin. Yeah.
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I'm Kevin, if that was not clear.
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Yeah, I'm jealous that wasn't. Clear and my Archers sheilas
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now. Your name has been arters this
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entire time. Oh my God, I had no idea.
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What did I miss? I mean last episode we
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recommended 3 goalies for quantity stars and it was
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Arthur's Kevin and Jake so we were like ohhh Kevin and Jake.
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And Arthur? One of you is gonna have to
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change your name. It's you were our tours.
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Ohe my God. I don't currently have Archers
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phone number so. That's actually amazing, I
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didn't realize. I didn't realize it until we
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started saying the names. We were like, wait, I'm also
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Kevin and he's also Jake. And I'm also our tourist, so.
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It worked out perfectly for everybody.
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Involved. What are the odds?
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Seriously. OK everyone, today we are doing
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our week 8 Bush, which is Bilo sell high episode story.
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Yeah, I don't think that's gonna.
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That one's gonna stay. Roll off the tongue so well.
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This is going to be big. I'm gonna get roasted big time.
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But I'm ready and I'm this. Is Are you ready?
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Willing. Yeah.
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This is a hill I'm willing to fight for, which is a thing
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people say. Yeah, someone actually said that
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to me in casual conversation the other day.
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And if he's listening, shout out.
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You know who you are. I'm just picturing you standing
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in front of like this hill with your fists out being like, I'm
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ready, someone come for this hill I got.
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Still. It's super, super Braveheart,
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you know what I mean? Yeah, OK, Before we dive in,
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It's been around even longer than follow that money, believe
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Those were his first words on the historic numbers exactly.
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It's a great time. It's awesome.
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Come. Join Pop in if we have time for
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a small lollygag Jakey. I've got some actual devastating
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news. It turns out that I watched the
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wrong Miracle on Ice movie. The one I watched was was from
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like 1980 and it wasn't like I didn't realize there was a
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Disney one from like 2000. 4 So yeah, it was a great movie.
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Yeah, it was like a two hour and like something like documentary
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and I thought I was like, you know what Jackie said to watch
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it. It was pretty informative and
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like I only realized recently when someone I saw someone on
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Reddit like mentioned, like yeah, miracles, the best movie
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ever. Like the Disney did a great job
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in 2004 and I'm like, wait, what?
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So. Thank God they had did a great
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job. It doesn't for us.
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So you could you would have started arguing with this guy in
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the comments being like it actually was not that.
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Good. So now I have to watch another
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Miracle movie and yeah, so sorry.
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Sorry about that Jiggy Huge. Deal.
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This is a huge deal, not only because I'm personally
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devastated, but after Josh watched what I thought was
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Miracle on Ice, I thought we had a thing where I was like, you
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know what? Good on you, Josh.
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Thanks for being awesome. You have the first trading dips
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with me. Lo and behold, we just gotta
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trade done. OK, He he sends me Kucherov and
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anyway, I don't wanna spoil it cause it's gonna be like in the
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later in the episode, but essentially the crux of it was I
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got Coochie got dry settled. More on that later.
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But the whole premise of that was that you saw Miracle on Ice.
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So I was like, you know what? So cool, really.
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Thanks man, I appreciate it cause I've been begging you guys
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to watch it forever and it was the wrong one.
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And then he waits until after training with me.
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Just told. Me, I just found out and I will.
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Say yeah, I'm sure you did indeed.
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Convenient that as soon as the train gets processed, do you
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find out that you wash the wrong go on ice?
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Now I will say it's even more impressive the one that I
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watched, OK, because yours was probably actually like a sick
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movie and I'm gonna watch it OK. And and actually reasonable,
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like better. OK.
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The one I watched is like 2 1/2 hours.
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I can't even remember if it was black and white or not.
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And like it was. It was like you honestly.
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Now, Kate, I'm. I'm treating you.
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Now I'm gonna watch the actual miracle.
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You have to watch this one. OK, Deal.
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I needed to see what I went through.
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And you'll you'll appreciate even more than what I did for
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you. OK, fine, fine.
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Let's get into. Our tour 2 weeks ago.
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Update now. But Oh my God, what a thing.
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Yeah. OK, so two weeks ago I'm pretty
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excited about mine and actually all of them are great.
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So this is high because it's just proving how smart we are.
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So two weeks ago I recommended Seth Jones as a buy low.
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Since then he's played six games, three goals, 2 assists, 5
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points, 5 power play points. The Floridas waking up with more
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on that in about two minutes. But yeah, Seth Jones was a clear
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by low. And The thing is when I said the
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buy low, it was like you can buy him for pennies, right?
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I don't expect him to keep getting, you know, 5 power play
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points every six games, but he is really popping off the bat.
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The back cats are also there, other than his last game, which
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was straight zeros. Even with that, his last two
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weeks average is unreal. So yes, I'm very happy with that
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and I hope people bought low on him because the chance may have
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tried up at this point. Yeah, agreed.
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Yeah, he was borderline dropped before and now I think he's the
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guy that you want on your team. Yeah, exactly.
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Going on to another interesting 1.
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And I don't wanna keep saying every time that we choose to buy
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low and they don't pop off immediately that like there's
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still a buy low. We're not wrong, but this is
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still a bylaw. We're not wrong.
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OK, so we have Nico Hischer of the New Jersey Devils.
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Since we recommended him six games, one goal, one assist, 2
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points. He did have some solid backpack
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games in terms of shots and hits, and I just think that the
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Hughes injury is gonna make him improve to where we think he
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should be even faster than originally expected.
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But I don't expect him to become worse once Huge comes back.
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Or like, maybe not as good, but like, he's still gonna be good,
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yeah. Yeah, he gets with Jasper Brad,
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which is now a big deal. Because it NHL.
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Exactly. If you're part of the Brat Pack,
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you know what? You know what that means?
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You have to learn the acronym now that you have Brad on your
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team. We'll see.
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Honestly, I'm committed to a bit, so maybe I will.
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He just got 2 points in the last four games.
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Six games into recommended him. He's been shooting a lot more
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like his last four games shot 2343 double digit faceoff wins.
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He's hitting his blocking like this is still the type of player
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that I really wanted my team. He hasn't he hasn't gone to the
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level that we talking about, we're talking about below.
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So he's still a buy low. I think better days are soon
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ahead. Yeah, I've been spending on
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sending nonstop, he sure offers. I know the.
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Owner owner wants like value for him as if he's playing well and
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I'm like it's not a Viola paying for the full price, you know so
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so yeah, you know, that's that's the great one.
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And then this one's probably the best one we had of this two
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weeks ago update Sam Reinhart since we recommended him six
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games played, four goals, 5 assists, 9 points, power play
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points short these shots, hits face off wins.
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He does it all. That's why he was the second
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round pick. And if your named Kevin and you
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traded for him right before the pop off then you are extremely
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happy and everyone should have it because we recommended it.
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Yeah, I listened to this episode and I was just like, you know
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what? Yeah, I'm going to try to buy
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low. That's right, heart.
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And then I did, and then he popped off and now I'm.
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Happy fully do that. I fully like I'll be like, you
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know, I'm always sending trades. But then after a while I'll be
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like, OK, you know, maybe I haven't thought of someone,
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whatever. And then like be listening to
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one of our Bilo, sorry, our bullshit episodes and I'll be
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like, Oh my God, yeah, this is such a good point that we made.
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We should you should follow. Through.
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I.
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Was really, really happy with this one and you're really just
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reaping the rewards right now if you have them.
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Yeah. So he's honestly like the
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Florida team was just underperforming like crazy
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offensively and now they picked it up.
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He's the best offensive player on this team.
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Even with to Chuck and Barkov there, he's like at least he's
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in that category. So they're just going to have
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like another catalyst for being better when trucks back.
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I love it. Keep riding the wave because the
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buy low window is closed. Yes, it's over.
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Yeah. But if you if you capitalize,
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Congrats. Yeah, alright, let's get to the
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cell heist again. I think we sniped 3 for three on
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this one. Dawson Mercer.
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Six games played, one goal, 0 assists, one point.
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The inevitable drop off has happened.
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If you got any value for him, I'm very happy that you
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listened. And if not, he's honestly like
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if he keeps this up, he's nearing dropped territory.
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The deployment is still like you're still OK.
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The deployment is not terrible, but he was producing at such a
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higher rate then people were excited about the Dawson Mercer
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name and that's why we recommended to sell him.
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If you did and you got like a student in roster for the rest
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of the season, you're making out like a bandit right now.
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Then we had for goalies, Logan Thompson.
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Since then, five games, two wins, three goals against,
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average .892 save percentage. I don't know if everyone, all
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our viewers remember, but two weeks ago he, I don't think he
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had a single game where he had more than two goals.
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They were just, he was just killing it.
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And this is another amazing cell high if he pulled it off.
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Two weeks ago, his goalie stats were 1.45 goals against average
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.938 save percentage and he had one, I think 5 out of his six
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games. So that's it was a glaring
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numbers that yeah, Washington is not gonna be doing this well.
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And the fact that he also has a name pool, like hopefully you're
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able to to tear up and maybe get like an auto injury.
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Vasilevsky at the time, maybe you should Durkin like those are
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the names that we set the target.
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If you were able to make any of those deals happen like you're
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thrilled right now. Yeah, honestly, you know, what I
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love is if in our YouTube comments for our bullshit
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episodes, if people can mention, you know, if they pulled off
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some of our recommendations and they could send their their
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chats in the comments. I would love to see what people
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manage to pull off and. I would love to see that as
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well. So we're listening to this and
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you pulled off an amazing trade after listening to one of our
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episodes. Even without listening to one of
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our episodes. Let us know in the comments
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below what you were able to pull off.
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Honestly gives inspiration to others to do the same.
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And also it's just like really fun to gloat about a good trade
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you pulled off. Exactly.
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YouTube, Spotify or Apple anywhere give us the comment and
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yeah, really cool to see. Exactly And then our last one
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from the two weeks ago update, we had Leo Carlson since then,
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eight games, five goals, 3 assists, eight points, which
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looks great, but only two points in his last five games played.
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So he like, you know, we recommended the sell high.
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He kept popping off for a game or two, but then the Cliff has
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come and he's been demoted to Line 2.
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I don't think that's going to stick.
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But the fact that it's even a question is, you know, a reason
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why he should have been so high. He was ranked top three in
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probably most leagues. So if you were able to shoot for
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the stars with him like we recommended, then I think it was
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really paying off for you. Yeah, I think the window does
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sell is still there too. For sure.
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My recommendations on that one we're Brayden Point, JT Miller,
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Sam Reinhart and Hellbach. Hellbach hurt right now, so that
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doesn't really count. I mean, I still do this.
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Really. Yeah, it's only four to six
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weeks. I don't think that's the end of
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the. World OK, fair, but Brayden
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Point, JT Miller, Sam Reinhart like even though Brayden Point
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has not been there, you're. Getting point plus.
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You're getting point plus over doing that.
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Yeah, which if you do that now, even with the recent slowness of
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Leo Carlson, so I'm still there. And yeah, I mean, you still aim
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for guys with this caliber, Reinhardt, the windows done.
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But both J and Point, if you could pull that off, amazing.
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You could do Reinhart, I think, you know, one for one.
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I'm sure some leagues that will happen.
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Like, yeah, he's been popping off a little.
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Carson, if you open the game log, the the success is still
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there. So the window to sell them at
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this level is still there. Like we said, some guys stay by
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low even after the episodes. He's still sell high after the
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episode, but the window is closing.
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Yeah, but enough about the past, let's get into the presence with
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our bylaws for this week. So my Bilo for this week is Jake
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Sanderson of the Ottawa Senators.
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Sanderson is averaging .7 points per game, .3 power play points,
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2.3 shots, 1.8 blocks on the season which is pretty much
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exactly in line with what we expected them.
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It's almost identical to last year with a tiny dip, but for
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the most part exactly what we're hoping.
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But over the past two weeks, he's averaged 0.37 points per
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game, zero power play points, two shots and two blocks.
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All his stats seem normal other than the 0 power play points
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which has a huge impact on his overall points.
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Ottawa as a whole has scored two on 26 power plays over the past
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10 games. Compare that to 13 on 37 to 10
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previous games. This power play should be one of
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the best in the league and the imminent return of Kashuk should
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be a huge catalyst to help it back to what it was.
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Most sends our bylaws because of this power play draw honestly,
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but Sanderson is one who got hit the hardest because he gets most
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of his points from the power play.
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Now is a great time to buy because they should turn it
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around within a week or two and here are my targets.
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I think you can get Sanderson plus from Outsider, Miro
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Heiskanen, Mikhail Sergachev, Seth Jones, Jacob Chicken.
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I think if you could, you might have to, you know, add a little
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plus to some of these guys. But some of these I think you
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can do straight one for one. No, I think he's going for
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something he's done straight straight one for one.
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You could probably get some plus for his, you know, what he's
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doing right now. I think same with cider.
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I love the circuit chip trade because you're also giving away
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a bad playoff schedule and getting a really good playoff
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schedule and return. I think Seth Jones recently has
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popped off so you can get a great deal done in there as
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well. And Jacob Chicken slowly that
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has been like, you know, building up his value again.
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If you're able to capitalize on how to get a jig Sanderson in a
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one for one trade, I think that would be amazing.
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I just traded away Sanderson. I'm really sad I had to, but I
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got back a brat and Reinhardt. So listen, it wasn't I think it
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wasn't a one for two, but there was there was other pieces.
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But Sanders, it was definitely the best player that I gave and
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I listen, if I did it hadn't just traded with the guy, I
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would try to buy him again. So I really love this.
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I'm high on Ottawa, as you, most of you have known if you listen
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to me earlier in the season where I had like 4/5 of their
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power play on my team. Yeah, now that the 3/5 with
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Sanderson gone, which is sad, but I think the looming return
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of of construct like you said is a great point that it's just
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going to raise the tide on all the all players on this team.
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They're going through a slump, but I think it's around the
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corner is the bright side. Yeah, this is my favorite choice
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this week to to be completely honest.
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And I yeah, you got it before I I did that.
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That's what happened. I think he's I think there's a
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certain offensive caliber that Jake Sanderson can hit, which is
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in the elite company. It's like in the realm of
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talking about, you know, in two years from now, let's say Quinn
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Hughes and Macar. And they don't they didn't that
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didn't happen overnight, but Quinn Hughes took a little while
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to Anderson's really young and this is the year I think he's
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going to actually have like a breakout 65 point plus year.
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His pace is not that bad, but it's just as of late that it's
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really not been good. So it's because he's going
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through this right now that we're recommending him as a buy
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low. And I expect him, especially
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with talk coming back in the somewhat near future to just go
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off. I really, really like it.
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And he's one of my favorite offensive defensemen.
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The only one. And I know you said you could,
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you know, get Sanderson plus for cider.
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Cider is probably the only one where I'm like, OK, I think I'd
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rather later on my team because of the peripheral categories,
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but you know, by a country mile over Haskin and Sergachev, Jones
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and chicken, easy. How many similes is a country
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mile? Three.
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OK, no, but if you say anybody. Knows.
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Tell us in the comments. Yeah, exactly, Exactly.
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Yeah. But no, I really love it.
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It's a great, great Bilo choice. Thank you very much.
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I think I have all your defensemen.
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Yeah, senators and headmen are like the glaring names, too high
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to try to get on our team. But I will not be talking about
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defenseman. I will be talking about a guy I
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literally just mentioned who I stuck to my guns and I traded
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for him. And I'm telling everybody else
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trade for him too, because it is Jesper Brat.
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Of the New Jersey Devil. The acronym, yeah.
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But thank you, Josh. Yeah.
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So listen, yes, for Brad is a stud.
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Whoever. Over the last month, he's
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averaging 0.54 points per game. I should have been me, yeah.
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Last year, last season he averaged 1.09 points per game.
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Literally he's averaging half over the last month of what he
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did last year. Even if you think Brad will be
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worse this year than he was last year, he still should be
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hovering over around a point per game at a minimum.
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Is is what I believe one of the main reasons for the negative
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form right now is the power play.
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It's been struggling, last year had the third best power play
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converting at a rate of 28.3% and this year there are 12 in
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the league at 22.6%. The power play is due to be
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significantly better and we saw these devils that the devil
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studs average 0.4 points per game last season.
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The elephant in the room is Jaq's injury and how does this
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impact Brat? Yes losing your partner and Jack
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Hertz but to be honest we've seen Brad have success even with
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Hughes out and he still gets to play with T-shirt.
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I think now he is the best forward on the team.
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He's gonna become talismanic for this team.
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All the offence goes through him.
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They're stuck in the lines right now to get the most out of all
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their best players. And he's playing over 20 minutes
18:17
a night with Nico. He sure all the important
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minutes he's gonna be playing. Before this Jack Hughes injury,
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he was averaging 16 to 18 minutes a game.
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Now he's been playing over 20 minutes of game.
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So it just goes to show that he's important.
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They want him on the ice. And also, if you play, I wanted
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to add this like I don't know if you saw his last shootout goal,
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but it was nasty. No financial leads have points
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for shootouts, but they should because Brett would be a monster
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at that. That would be cool, right?
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Which also encouraging with Brat is his shots and hits have been
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consistent all year. He'll get you a little over two
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shots. He'll get you a hit a game.
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All the metrics have been there. It's just the points of
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significantly regressed and the power play has not been as good.
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New Jersey as a whole, they're extremely beaten up right now.
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I feel like they have injuries all all through the lineup,
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goalie, defensemen, forwards, like everybody, everybody's hurt
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feels like. But if you're looking for an
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elite player to buy, I think he's one of the glaring names.
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Like for me, Reinhart and Brad were like the two wingers that
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were drafted in the second or third or fourth round in your
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leagues, still high pedigree that have over point per game
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potential that are not producing anywhere near close to it.
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We saw the bounce back happen with Reinhardt.
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I think the bounce back is about to happen with Brad as well.
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Like it might seem counter intuitive because Brat is
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playing without Jack Hughes now. Sort of like, how is he gonna
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get better? But he's going to play more
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important minutes. He's the focal point of the
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offence now. They rely on him to score the
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goals, to get the goals going. And he's still playing with an
19:41
exceptional senator like Nico Hischer.
19:43
So that's why we're saying, OK, we're saying Nico Hischer.
19:46
I think better days are shortly ahead because he's playing with
19:49
with Brat. Same goes the other way around.
19:51
And also, I think one of the best trades that you can do is
19:55
getting a better playoff schedule.
19:57
So if you're holding on to like these guys that like from Utah
20:00
or Nashville and you're able to swap in those.
20:04
Playoff schedules for Brad, who has a 344, I think it's an
20:08
exceptional move and he's super attainable right now because his
20:12
back categories are not exceptional enough that people
20:15
are like really valuing them. And his points have not been
20:19
there .5 points over the last month is nothing to nothing to
20:22
talk about in in high regards. So I think you can trade Malkin
20:24
in a package for Brat right now. I think connect any can be done
20:28
for Brett right now. Elena has been super hot.
20:31
He could be traded for Brat right now.
20:33
Will Smith has basically been doing what Brat we want Brad to
20:36
do. He's a glaring regression
20:38
candidate. I think you can make a swap and
20:40
on the higher end I think Gunther also can make it done.
20:42
I'm not saying these are one for one guys that you trade for
20:45
Brat, but in a package A2 for one I think they can easily get
20:47
done. Yeah, I'm with you there for
20:51
sure. The other important thing to
20:53
look at is that his power play points have basically been half
20:56
of last year. And then the most glaring thing
20:59
here is that in the past two years, Jock Hughes missed 20
21:02
games in both seasons, 62 in 2324 and 62 games played in
21:08
2425. So with that, yes, for Brat over
21:12
those two seasons, basically playing a full season has gone
21:14
83 and 88 points respectively. That means that he has proven to
21:19
be a decent there even without Jackie.
21:21
This is not the first time this has happened.
21:23
And you know, given the fact that Jack Hughes is probably
21:25
going vegan and all playing with steak knives after this whole
21:27
thing, I think that hopefully when he's back, he's healthy all
21:31
season. And there are.
21:33
Better playing with the team Mccree I don't know if.
21:35
You saw that? I didn't see that.
21:37
Really. Yeah.
21:39
Yeah, there's a picture of them together and people weren't sure
21:42
if they were on a date or if she was his designated food cutter
21:44
for a restaurant. Honestly, he he better have been
21:49
at like a like a ramen restaurant where like no knives
21:52
are are seen. But anyways, all this to say yes
21:57
for Brad has proven to be a successful and a great player
22:00
over the past few years. He's on pace for 74 points right
22:03
now and that's with like a huge slump as of late, as Kevin
22:07
mentioned. So these things are going to
22:09
turn up and then he should be in an 85 point plus guy and very,
22:14
very in the near future. Is it gonna happen that his pace
22:17
is going to get better? Yep, fully agree.
22:20
Nothing much to add from me other than I agree with this.
22:22
From top to bottom, targets are great.
22:24
You might have to package A2 for one like Evan said, but together
22:27
I might think might even get done one for one.
22:29
And I'm just jealous that Kevin pulled the trigger in our league
22:34
because otherwise I'd be out there sending offers as we
22:36
speak. But but Kevin is not going to
22:38
give him up because he knows he's a huge at the bottom.
22:41
Yeah. But I traded just for everybody
22:43
knows, I traded Jake Sanderson, Travis Connect me, Logan Cooley.
22:48
And remember, this was like a week and a half, two weeks ago
22:51
after our previous Bilo episode, so players were in different
22:54
form than they are now. But I treated those three guys
22:55
for Sam Reinhart, who at the time was averaging 0.5 points
22:59
per game, which is crazy when you look at what he's been doing
23:01
over the last week. Jesper Bratt and Vince Dunn.
23:04
Vince Dunn was kind of there to mitigate the Jake Sanderson
23:06
loss, but I think Brad and Reinhart are the two best
23:09
players in that trade and the fact that I was able to get
23:11
them. It was, it was a huge fleece.
23:13
Obviously I was like so upset because.
23:15
You know, in the moment, it was like, are these guys gonna
23:18
bounce back? And I pulled the trigger and the
23:19
bounce back immediately. And I'm just like, wow, OK, I'm
23:21
happy I did that. So just for everyone out there,
23:24
sometimes the bylaws aren't gonna bounce back immediately
23:26
like that, and it's still a good move, OK?
23:28
But sometimes you get immediately rewarded and that
23:31
feels great as well. Listen, I bought Brat and now
23:33
I'm recommending others others to buy him, so hopefully you
23:36
guys take our advice and you'll reap the rewards.
23:38
Yeah, alright, Jackie, hit us with your controversial,
23:42
controversial Bilo. Nothing, nothing brings us
23:45
together as friends like my buy low sell high recommendations.
23:49
Sometimes we're allowed to disagree.
23:50
This is one of those that I think we disagree, but listen,
23:53
the conversation is there. Yeah.
23:55
And I think Jake is a perspective is really important.
23:57
Like no, no, no, no shade actually.
23:59
Like I think a lot of times Kevin and I are in agreement and
24:01
JQ will be a bit more out there. But like we've seen time and
24:04
again where he's been right about things.
24:06
So I think it's it's really nice having that other perspective.
24:11
Thanks man. And I, and I think that before
24:15
diving into this, I gotta give you all a good old profit ache
24:18
about how this is really a deep league transaction.
24:23
It's not like in an A-Team or 10 team league necessarily, but
24:27
like when you're going to 1214 teams I.
24:29
Think you told me 10 team league you'd rather have him on that
24:32
Both players. Yeah, we'll see.
24:35
Let him get into it and I'll roast him.
24:37
Right now, now that was before I knew that you had trocheck on
24:40
your on your waivers, which is crazy.
24:43
To play more 10 team leagues. So if you have trocheck on your
24:46
waivers, you could pick them up over this guy, but nevertheless,
24:51
OK, everyone who listens knows that I'm resident size queen on
24:55
the banker management fantasy hockey podcast.
24:58
It's true. So it's no surprise that for my
25:02
buy low this week I am recommending of the Washington
25:06
Capital, standing at six foot 6200 and £25.
25:10
An absolute monster with incredible skating ability on
25:14
the ice. Aliaxis Parodius.
25:18
Cool. First of all, Aliaxis.
25:23
I don't know any other Aliaxis, so he's easily the best Aliaxis
25:26
in the NHL. But second of all, fantasy
25:29
unfortunately does not reward for how tall players are.
25:33
But we're here for some cold hard stats and that's why I
25:36
think that protest is a great buy.
25:39
Low. Firstly, the Metropolitan
25:41
Division is extremely tight right now.
25:44
It seems like just yesterday that the Capitals were in last
25:46
place despite Logan Thompson being an absolute beast, but
25:49
they've quickly jumped to 5th after putting up two insane
25:52
victories over the Oilers and Canadians.
25:54
In that span they scored fifteen goals, which is wild in two
25:59
games and now they're also letting in a lot of goals.
26:01
As we mentioned earlier that Logan Thompson has not been
26:05
performing in the same caliber that he was anyways, so now
26:08
they're winning by outscoring in high scoring games.
26:11
They also won the game before that at the time of this
26:14
recording which is 2 to one against the Los Angeles Kings
26:17
and over that span. He actually has three points in
26:20
his last three games. But the participation rate,
26:24
which is essentially the players points divided by the teams
26:28
total goals, he has three points, 17 goals scored by the
26:32
team, which is 17.6 percent. And that's really not anything
26:38
to write home about. On the season he's at 19%, which
26:41
is also really not that great. But to give you an idea, last
26:44
season he averaged .87 points per game, 66 points and 77 games
26:49
was his total. And he had the participation
26:51
rate at 24.6, which is definitely substantially better
26:55
than where it is this year. To give you an idea, he would be
26:58
at 17 points over the 21 games as opposed to 13, which is we'd
27:04
be thinking about that a lot differently and considering it
27:08
was a main like mainly like just a late round pick in your
27:11
leagues. Protis also ranks second in time
27:14
on ice per game for the Capitals, trailing only Tom
27:16
Wilson for their forwards. And very sadly that has nothing
27:20
to do with any power play one, which is basically kind of Hagel
27:23
Light vibes. Bottom line, this is a good
27:26
player on a team that's already scoring much more than they were
27:28
to start the season and he's going to get the minutes and the
27:32
opportunities. He's already proven to be a good
27:34
player and because he's under everyone's radar, I think you
27:37
could get him for basically nothing.
27:39
This is not a flashy name and the best thing you could really
27:43
do here, which is I think where you guys would maybe actually
27:45
agree, even though not necessarily with the player, but
27:48
the concept of what you can do this the best thing.
27:52
You can send him into two for two or three for three, and you
27:55
would basically be getting him back as like a side piece in the
27:58
trade. But trust me, you can do worse
28:00
than having protests as your side piece.
28:01
What? OK, cool.
28:03
Anyways, for the targets I'm going to list, these are players
28:08
who I think should be part of the trade you're sending for
28:11
protest. However, the best thing really
28:13
just to hammer that home is the package and you can get a big
28:16
upgrade at the higher end. For an example, it could be
28:19
something like Protis and Horvat for Voronkov and Matthews,
28:23
right? That doesn't sound so, so crazy
28:26
to me. That's just like a good two for
28:28
two. But the one for one targets I'm
28:30
looking at are Jackson, Blake, IF Kenny Malkin, Steven Stamkos,
28:33
which you could literally just pull off as a name value, and
28:35
Jack Roslovic. What do you think?
28:38
I. Actually, you had me until the
28:41
last sentence, like actually like, you know what?
28:43
I'm I'm gonna give you this one. I do think he's gonna be better
28:46
than he has been. So in that sense, he could be a
28:47
Bilo. Look, I'm not dying to get him
28:49
on my team because for me personally, if he's not
28:51
someone's not power play 1 and they're not a banger, then I'm
28:54
not the most interested. But would I rather have him than
28:57
a guy picked off on on waivers who's like on a hot streak?
29:00
100%. So I actually like and I like
29:02
the way you mentioned of having it in a 2 for two, something
29:04
like that. One big disagreement I have is I
29:06
don't think there's any way in hell you're getting Frankoff and
29:09
Matthews for Proteus and Horvat. This coming as a Horvat owner
29:11
who was killing it. I just, I think Matthews is
29:13
better than Hornet and Franco is better than Produce.
29:15
So so that example, I just think there's no chance it happens.
29:19
But everything else I like. And then in terms of your
29:22
targets, I like the black one, I like the Roslovic one, I like
29:25
the Stamkos. I would take take produce over
29:27
all three of those guys. Malkin, even though I'm very low
29:30
on him, I think I still take him over produce.
29:32
I meant to say you get Produce and Matthews for Horvat and
29:34
Brankov. OK, that makes a lot more sense.
29:38
Yes. Yeah, that makes a lot more
29:40
sense, yeah. Does that?
29:42
Is that better? Do you see what I'm?
29:44
Saying definitely, it's definitely better and I get
29:45
worse the vibe, the vibe makes more sense, right?
29:49
You get exactly what you were saying with what your whole you
29:52
know what you were saying about it is like you take products as
29:55
you downgrade piece, you take them as the downgrade piece and
29:58
A2 for two where you upgrade at the other one.
30:00
But in your head you're like, it's actually not that big of a
30:02
downgrade because you should be doing better in that sense.
30:04
I fully agree. And I think and that makes a lot
30:06
more sense. Yeah.
30:07
So, yeah. So yeah, no, I agree with
30:08
everything said. And I guess in terms of targets,
30:10
it's just, I think I think Malkin's a better than produce.
30:12
But everything else, I think it's just maybe it's not that
30:16
like I don't know about Kevin, I want to say in a SEC, but I
30:19
think it's more just like that. It's a lower stakes by low than
30:22
we're used to as opposed to not being a buy low.
30:24
Yeah, yeah, see that's that's kind of where I'm at.
30:27
Is that like when you when Protis is part of the Matthew
30:30
side of it who Matthew is also quite the bylaw right now.
30:33
He's just injured. So I didn't wanna like add him
30:35
this week, but we're about him Brankov, right.
30:38
Like they're performing really, really well and I think you're
30:41
like protist to Veronica was not that difference in Matthew
30:43
should be way better than Horvat.
30:46
Yeah, you're. Saying, I mean, listen, I, I, I
30:48
understand the concept, Jake. You won't be surprised what I'm
30:51
about to say because we talked about it at length before
30:53
recording this episode. But I, I, I would say like
30:57
disagree with a lot of this just because it, I don't think the
31:00
ceiling is high for produce. I think last season he got .87
31:03
points per game without any power play.
31:05
I think that was a miracle to be honest.
31:06
And we saw Washington just do like, have a.
31:08
String out of miracle again. I just think the ceiling is not
31:12
high for him. Like I think this season he can
31:13
get point 7.75 points per game. He'll get you 2 shots, not even
31:17
a hit, not even a block, no power play.
31:19
So why do I want a guy that has .7 points, .75 at the Max let's
31:23
say, and no power play exposure, no bangers.
31:26
I just think you can stream better production to be honest.
31:28
Like I'd rather have Paul Mary, I'd rather have Eberley, I'd
31:32
rather have like Jason Zucker. Like these are guys that are
31:35
widely available in most leagues that I would take ahead of
31:38
protists just because the power play is a huge deal and he's
31:41
not. He's not getting on that P1.
31:42
You'd rather him over Zucker? Oh, we lost Kevin.
31:47
You mean he he said he would rather Zucker over over produce.
31:50
And what he's saying it's it's like it's the power play 1
31:53
exposure. But I also get what you're
31:54
saying. In which case, like you make
31:56
that too for two, where in the other person's mind produce is
31:59
way worse. Or as in your mind, he's only
32:01
like, you know, maybe he's equal to one of these like lower name
32:04
guys, and then you get to make an upgrade in the other sense.
32:06
So I definitely I get where you're going with this.
32:08
And I don't think it's the craziest thing either.
32:10
I don't think he's gonna repeat what he did last year.
32:12
I think even you had mentioned, like I said, I don't like guys
32:15
who aren't power play our bankers and you mentioned about
32:17
Hagel and I'm like even Hagel is not doing what he did last year,
32:20
right? Like I still think that he's a
32:21
great player, but like it just it's hard to sustain that kind
32:25
of offence when you're not getting power play opportunity.
32:27
So even if you're an amazing player, I feel like you're like
32:30
ceiling is like .8 with that kind of deployment.
32:33
Yeah. So like last year, just as an
32:36
example, Hagel was at like 1.1 points per game, which is great.
32:41
And that's like no power play exposure.
32:42
So I totally, totally understand your perspective of kind of just
32:46
being able to hit near that ceiling.
32:49
But let me ask you something. Who had more points per game
32:53
last year, Cole Caulfield or Alexa?
32:55
Alexa protest. It's, you know, in in the law,
32:58
this is called the leading question because I.
33:00
Know exactly what? You're going at this.
33:03
Yeah. And I know all my law firm
33:05
movies. So if that's wrong, don't roast
33:06
me in the comments. No, but look, it's I'm not
33:09
talking about produce last year. It's just like you see these
33:12
kind of things pop up with like the Hagel and produce last year.
33:14
It's maintaining its season over season, which is difficult.
33:18
But I don't hate it. Like I said, like if you do it
33:19
in that too for two and you're like, you're like, oh, I'll take
33:22
I'll take produce off your hands, but you have to give me
33:24
an upgrade for it. And in your head you're like,
33:25
I'm actually feeling pretty good about both pieces and return
33:28
then I like it. Like and, and one other one that
33:32
we were going to mention and Kevin is Kevin's teleported away
33:36
from us. But if he was here, we.
33:39
Were speaking about this off the podcast from the day this
33:42
episode drops, which is November 24th.
33:46
Who's going to get more points between November 24th and the
33:49
end of the fantasy season, barring injury, Alexa Protester
33:52
or Salvadora Phev? Oh, you gotta, you gotta go door
33:57
Phev. Alright, well I'm on the protest
33:59
side points by the way. Like I still think the shots are
34:01
gonna be better, the girls are gonna be better, and I'd rather
34:03
Dora fave on my team. But Kevin and I suggested we do
34:07
one beer bed and he responded with 10 beers and $100.00.
34:11
So I was like. OK, that's a lot.
34:14
OK, let's do one beer. But.
34:16
Yes. Are you both taking the other
34:18
side here? I'm happy to jump in on this if
34:20
you're willing to take double the beers.
34:23
Well that means you guys have to drink 2 beers too.
34:25
If if. That's not how it works.
34:27
You make the vet individually with each of us, so either we
34:29
both drink one or. You drink?
34:30
No, no, no. That's fine, I don't care, I'll
34:33
do 2 beers. Yeah, I think Torfs gonna get
34:36
more points. It's just that power play 1 I
34:37
think is lethal. And yes, he is a bit of A1 trick
34:40
pony in terms of goals versus assists, but it'll be
34:42
interesting to see. November 24 to the end of the
34:44
season. I'm on the We're not doing
34:47
Kevin's $100 plus. 10 years. Suggestions.
34:50
So that's not happening, but it's 2 beers or two for just two
34:55
years for Kevin if they lose now.
34:57
Yeah, What happened was, is that Kevin, Kevin's computer?
35:02
Kind of. It's like graphics card died.
35:04
Yeah, so that's why, well, he'll be back probably next episode.
35:09
Nevertheless, he phrased it as honestly gods wanted to spare me
35:16
from him roasting me for my day. I think it's more the fantasy
35:19
gods wanted to spare you the listeners from Kevin and me
35:24
being anti protest. So I think that that's really
35:27
the best way to look at this. Wouldn't that just be like and
35:30
Titus? Because if you got pro and then
35:34
anti, it is. So funny.
35:38
It sounds like a brutal disease though.
35:40
Like y'all are. And Titus?
35:41
Yeah. I'm sorry your fantasies team
35:45
has been diagnosed with antis. Antis.
35:47
Wow, wow. Yeah, so.
35:49
Test shows up for the rest of the season, but let's go on to
35:52
our So High. Oh my God this is so brutal.
35:56
You're. I know, Kevin, just not here to
35:59
defend himself. Yeah, which is great because the
36:01
fantasy gods against sparing everyone.
36:03
So my cell high for this week is Yaroslav Askerov of the San Jose
36:07
Sharks. Now, I'm going to preface this
36:09
by saying he is still a sick goalie and I would hold him all
36:13
season. OK?
36:13
I don't think this is one of these.
36:14
He's going to drop off the face of the earth and you need to
36:16
dump him now type of thing. This is just he's performing way
36:18
too high and you can tear up very significantly.
36:22
Also sorry Kevin in brackets because he picked up Askerov and
36:25
kind of his whole teen rides on that because he went with no
36:27
goalies. So not to throw shade at Kevin
36:30
who can't defend himself, but that's where we're at.
36:32
So let's dive into this. Ask her off.
36:34
Take Astros on an insane tear of the past month.
36:36
His statin starting November 1st are seven games played, six
36:40
wins. That's an 86% win percentage,
36:42
1.51 goals against average .952 save percentage.
36:47
To compare with just a random guy, last year Connor Hellebuyck
36:52
stats were 75% win percentage, two goals against average, 925
36:57
safe percentage. Askerov is playing at such an
37:00
unsustainable level it's even better than Connor Hellebuyck
37:02
insane season from last year. If you need a bigger sign that
37:06
says this is not sustainable, even Connor Hellebuyck will
37:09
never do what Connor Hellebuyck did last year.
37:11
OK let's just put it that way. So Yaroslav asked her of of the
37:15
San Jose Sharks 202526 is not going to do better than Connor
37:19
Hellebuyck last year season. OK now let me read you a list of
37:22
names. Orlov, Lilligren, Klingberg,
37:25
Ferraro, Dickinson, Darnay. Does this sound like a decor
37:29
that's going to help their goalie maintain these kind of
37:31
stats or does this sound like a boyfriend you don't want to
37:33
listen to? OK this is like this is a list
37:37
of names that I'm like, this is one of the decors of all time.
37:40
Like this is literally probably one of the worst courses I've
37:44
seen. It just does not make sense.
37:46
Despite this hot streak, San Jose is still ranked 24th in the
37:49
NHL. The fact is Askerov is clearly
37:52
going to be an amazing goalie for years to come, but San Jose
37:54
is just not a good enough team for him to maintain anything
37:57
close to these numbers. You probably picked him up as a
37:59
free agent to be honest. If you can flip him for an
38:02
established starter on a solid team, I'd be very happy to do
38:05
it. So I'm going to list you some
38:07
names of guys who I think you could target.
38:08
Honestly, shoot for the moon. I'm putting guys who I think are
38:11
more reasonable, but if you can package them for any of the top
38:13
tier goalies, you try and go for it.
38:15
Sergei Bobrovsky, Connor Hellebuyck in a package because
38:18
of his injury. So no one obviously do one for
38:21
one, but if you can do Askerov plus for Hellebuyck, that is the
38:24
ultimate trade and I didn't think it would have been
38:27
possible when he was healthy, but maybe with the injury it's
38:29
it's possible. Still a stretch.
38:31
Um, I would take Scott Wedgewood plus for Askerov.
38:34
I'm at this point I'm I think I'm on Kevin's Wedgewood train.
38:37
It took awhile, but I came. Back just in time.
38:39
Yeah, exactly. Find some good news with my
38:41
asker off take just to not break your heart too much.
38:44
Linus Omark has been pretty solid lately and I trust Auto a
38:48
lot more than I trust San Jose. Jacob Markstrom.
38:51
There is some questions with his health so I'd wait and see what
38:53
that Joey decorate. I love him as a volume starter
38:56
on Seattle. Seattle 8th in the NHL right
38:58
now. I don't know if you guys knew
38:59
that Darcy Kemper, I think look, some of these are aiming high.
39:03
Some of these feel like aiming low.
39:05
The ones that are aiming high, you do Askerov plus.
39:07
The ones that are aiming low, you do that goalie plus in
39:09
return. But I'm happy taking all these
39:11
guys over. Ask her off rest of the season
39:13
and I think you can make some really nice trades with.
39:17
Yeah, I'm totally with you on this.
39:20
It's he's actually, you know, he he was drafted to be a great
39:24
goalie. And I really like how you
39:27
prefaced privated prefaced it with saying that you still want
39:31
him on your team all year. That's very important.
39:33
But at the end of the day, you're listing guys who have a
39:36
proven track record of being amazing and what defensemen are
39:40
to forwards as far as inconsistency for young
39:43
promising players. Goalies are 10 times that to
39:47
defenseman like this is going to be less than three weeks ago we
39:50
were like, oh, isn't going to get the majority of the stars
39:53
and now you have this. There's no way that this is
39:57
going to be kept up, even though I'm the highest on San Jose out
40:01
of all of us. I'm totally, totally with you
40:03
here on everything you said. And I really do like the target.
40:06
Jacob Markstrom. Scary.
40:07
Let's just say it is scary we mentioned.
40:10
On our definitely marks from plus if you do.
40:12
That yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like the biggest plus
40:15
that you can get. And in a way actually may be my
40:17
favorite target cuz he's making decent money and they're not
40:19
gonna keep him on the bench over Alan.
40:21
That being said, I really just like all the names you listed
40:26
and it's a great create sell high.
40:30
I'm, I mean, listen, I'm the asker of owner.
40:31
I won't go too much because I feel you guys talked about it
40:33
enough. But I think with rotis.
40:36
Yeah. With what he's doing right now,
40:39
I feel like you have to try to sell them.
40:41
At least Josh gave some great targets.
40:43
I would say aim high and then slowly make your way down the
40:45
list and see what you can pull off and that's my advice.
40:48
Yeah, sure, for the moon. And if you fall short, you'll
40:49
fall on the star, says someone who doesn't know anything about
40:51
astronomy. Yeah, that is a scientific fact.
40:55
The stars are smaller. So wait, I don't know.
41:03
Gary, Kevin, are you? Are you with us enough to?
41:06
To do this with you guys enough that I will give my sell high
41:09
candidate because I'm actually really excited about this one.
41:11
I think is a great sell high candidate.
41:13
This is crazy, I love this. Yeah, I feel like this is a
41:17
surprising pick potentially, but my pick for my cell high this
41:22
week is William Nylander of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
41:26
Now listen, has there ever been a less talked about board was
41:29
I've been averaging 1.5 points per game on the season.
41:32
I think Willie is going under the radar this season because
41:34
Toronto's been bad, Matthew's been hurt, all the spotlights
41:37
kind of there and like the glaring hole that Marner left on
41:40
this team. But last year he averaged 1.02
41:43
points per game. He's scoring 0.5 points per game
41:47
more over the last month than what he did last year.
41:51
First of all, at already 1.5 is a huge threshold over the last
41:55
month, he's at 1.27. He's still shooting a lot.
41:58
He hovers around 3:00. Maybe the loss of Matthews has
42:01
put a lot more on his shoulders and he's been doing a lot more.
42:03
And also just, you know, how bad the team has been without Marner
42:06
this year is a glaring issue. And the power play has not
42:08
recovered either. The power play is a serious
42:12
concern, though. We're seeing first of all his
42:14
production on the power play has been not as good as last year.
42:18
They don't have a power play. One quarterback, Morgan Riley,
42:20
is just not that guy and over yelled.
42:22
They want to be that guy and he's not that guy.
42:26
Kevin trades away Riley and all of a sudden he agrees with me.
42:29
Listen, I I was using what was on the ice as my information
42:32
didn't necessarily agree with it.
42:33
No, but if the deployment is that a deployment is there.
42:35
But nonetheless, Marner was the quarterback for this team.
42:38
Now he's quarterbacking the Vegas power play unit, which
42:41
also has its own issues without Mark Stone, but nonetheless,
42:44
it's still better than the Toronto Maple Leafs power play.
42:48
The Toronto don't think the Toronto power is going to hit
42:50
the high that's hidden in previous years and nonetheless I
42:54
am worried about his 585 production.
42:57
I think right now he's producing at an exceptional rate without
43:00
the power play to back it up. It's just risky business keeping
43:03
him on your team for long term. And this is a guy that you
43:06
drafted like in the second round, high second round, late
43:09
second round. He was a second round pick in
43:11
most leagues. If you felt 1/3 you were lucky.
43:14
But Toronto has the least games played in the playoffs as well.
43:17
He has a 333. Now listen, that's not the
43:19
glaring cause. Doesn't have a two game week,
43:21
but I think right now with what he's producing, you're able to
43:24
flip big name William Nylander and insane production William
43:29
Nylander for another guy. That's going to be a stunt for
43:32
your team that has a better playoff schedule and that you
43:35
might potentially like better rest of season.
43:37
Um, I think the best thing that you can do is do A2 for two
43:41
trade where you're sending Willy for another star forward with a
43:44
better playoff schedule who you might expect similar production
43:47
rest of season. And also that's like your
43:50
technically ground down grading for all those on YouTube.
43:53
You can't see me, but I'm doing quotation marks around
43:56
technically down grading and get a better player.
44:00
Yeah, thank you, Josh. Get a better player in the first
44:03
trade as well. Oh sorry, I didn't see I was
44:05
looking. Down.
44:07
Josh, I am now The Archers, but this isn't this isn't you don't
44:16
wanna aim too low with the guys that you're trying to get in a
44:19
in return for for Nylander. I think you can still get
44:22
Reinhart. I think you can get Wyatt
44:24
Johnston, Kyle Connor, Mitch Marner, Artemi Panarin.
44:28
And I'm not saying trade these guys one for one for Nylander.
44:31
I'm saying if you do a 2 for two trade like Nylander plus X for
44:36
Panarin plus X where you're taking the technical downgrade
44:39
from Nylander to Panarin. First of all, getting way better
44:42
schedule. Would I be shocked if Panarin
44:44
averages a point per game rest of season?
44:45
No Would I be shocked if need under average point per game
44:47
rest of season? No.
44:49
And then you get a major upgrade as the second piece, maybe like
44:52
you get Jake Sanderson instead of and you give your, you know,
44:55
Jacob Chicken or something. Like that's the type of deal
44:58
where you're capitalizing on this value right now, getting a
45:01
better playoff schedule and also strengthening your team on the
45:04
side as well. That's really the type of trait
45:06
that I would try to focus on making a 2 for two or three for
45:09
three even. I think he carries a lot more
45:11
weight than doing a one for two or something like that.
45:15
Yeah. Well, well, well.
45:17
The Archers has become The Archers.
45:19
Yeah, Yeah, No, I agree with everything you're saying.
45:24
So you would prefer obviously kind of like two types of trades
45:26
with these types of guys, right? It's like saying there's two and
45:28
there's also trying to aim for like 1 of the top five guys in
45:31
the league. You prefer to do the two for two
45:32
then the type of like package Newlander plus for like a
45:36
McDavid McKinnon type of thing like.
45:38
I mean, that's, that's obviously I think harder to do because
45:41
those guys don't want to get rid of them.
45:42
But I'm thinking like, I think the way to maximize the value
45:45
you're getting in a trade is doing a 2 for two where you're
45:48
getting 2 upgrades technically, as opposed to consolidating into
45:54
a better player. Like obviously consolidating is
45:56
always good and we we recommend consolidating whenever you can.
45:59
Maybe you could do a Newlander plus the small piece for a
46:03
Kucherov. Like I would love to do that,
46:04
you know, but like the McDavid is a dry cell.
46:07
They also have a 333. So I'm also trying to capitalize
46:09
on getting a better playoff schedule.
46:10
But like, do I want Kutra of or do I want McDavid and do it on
46:14
my team? I absolutely do.
46:15
So you can just go up or you can go down.
46:17
I'm just thinking you're already pretty high with Nylander.
46:19
That going down makes a lot of sense, especially if you're
46:22
bolstering your roster with a second piece as well.
46:24
Yeah, no, I fully agree and I love the targets you button.
46:28
It's exactly like you said. I'm not going, I'm not going to
46:30
repeat it fully because it's just the same thing.
46:31
But yeah, turning these guys into like a downgrade, like, uh,
46:35
and then getting an upgrade somewhere else.
46:37
And then it turns out the downgrade was actually kind of
46:39
net neutral at worst and even could be an upgrade at best and
46:42
get a double upgrade. It's a great way of thinking
46:44
about it. So it's usually we go with the
46:47
classic package up for someone better, but this is also a very
46:50
interesting kind of trade structure that benefits you a
46:52
lot. No, for sure, it's great.
46:54
And I think the only thing that's a bit difficult here is
46:59
that as you mentioned basically in your first sentence is that
47:01
he's not really spoken about as the like which which one should
47:07
be more talk of the town than he is He's.
47:08
Been nobody talks about. Him, yeah, I was shocked.
47:11
He's 1.5 points per game. Honestly, I haven't been there,
47:13
he goes on. Him.
47:14
There you go. It's he's like Proteus of last
47:17
year. It's a bubble it.
47:22
You know what? Go back to the shadows.
47:24
OK, Ballroom. You shall not pass.
47:33
Yeah, no, but it's he he's actually a really good player in
47:37
his own right. And I think that I'm not
47:39
disagreeing here. I'm just saying that that it's
47:41
tough because it's like he's not spoken about.
47:43
He's a very good player and he's been producing a lot.
47:46
I love the playoff schedule angle, though.
47:48
That's really important because you kind of want to offload
47:50
Toronto guys and even Matthews, who's kind of like a bi lo, he
47:55
has pretty much have as many points per game as Willie this
47:58
year, which is. A crazy thing like literally
48:00
have. Literally, it's wild.
48:02
And he's like, I mean, you still want good players on your team
48:06
as you mentioned, but you can get better players schedules
48:09
with the Panera and one I love, the Reinhart one I love and
48:12
Marner, Kyle, Connor, Wajo are interesting to me.
48:16
But I still think that the way that you frame it, based on how
48:20
Kevin said, can really help your team.
48:24
Yeah, OK, Jake, you wanna take this home with a fun, fun final
48:29
sell high for the week? Yes yes I I'd say this is real
48:33
fun and less controversial than my buy low.
48:36
So I just traded for this guy lol with me.
48:40
Yeah, yeah. Josh with Josh because he
48:44
watched Miracle on Ice and lied to me.
48:47
That's why I can't believe he watches the wrong here.
48:53
Actually. Absolutely mind blowing.
48:56
But anyways, we're gonna swap Miracle on ISIS after, so I'm
49:00
excited to know your thoughts and I'll tell you mine.
49:02
And anyways, whatever, we even spoke about it after, I don't
49:06
understand how this happened, OK.
49:08
I mean, you talked about the main story.
49:09
It's the same story. I'm sure it wasn't done a lot
49:11
better with Disney. That's fair.
49:15
That's fair. But yeah, so you're gonna love
49:17
it. And Kevin, you should watch it
49:19
too. Wherever you are, both of them.
49:20
But it's. On my list, I'm still here.
49:24
Alright, so of the Carolina Hurricanes, we have Shane Gosses
49:30
beer, and it's obviously extremely disturbing to have to
49:34
write this as a cell high for a guy that I just bought.
49:37
But in my defence, I didn't make the trade because he ranks get
49:41
this tied for second among all defensemen in points per game in
49:45
the NHL. OK, that's all.
49:47
I made it. I'm a big believer in Ghost
49:50
being a Beast this year, but there's a fine line between
49:54
Beast and Todd with King, Queen Hughes and points for game.
49:58
OK, that's not gonna stay like that.
50:01
All right, it's interesting that you look at the Hurricanes this
50:06
year and they trail only the Avalanche in goals per game.
50:09
Where does their power play rank, though, last?
50:13
Which is hilarious and where I land on this is that he's 32
50:20
years old and we have enough of a sample size in his career to
50:22
know that he's not going to end the season at his current pace,
50:25
which is 7379 points in 73 games.
50:29
He had he was injured for two games, which would mean he score
50:32
66 over the remaining 61 games that he has.
50:36
I think he can score 45 over the next 61 point 7.74 points per
50:41
game rest of season, which is very good especially for a
50:44
defenseman. And the power play points should
50:47
realistically uptick. They're not going to be dead
50:48
last. I doubt it because they're
50:51
scoring quite a bit and should be a little bit better even
50:53
though Rod is crazy all over the place, but whatever.
50:57
As I just, you know, traded for him.
51:00
I gave Dry Saddle and Owen Tippett for Kucherov and Ghosts.
51:03
Just for gostisbehere. Yeah, exactly.
51:06
Let us know your thoughts, by the way, in the YouTube
51:09
comments, Discord or Spotify, Apple podcast comments.
51:12
Who you think won between me and Josh once again, it's I sent dry
51:15
and tip it and got back Kucherov and I also needed the help of
51:19
Decor. So there's a bit of the context
51:20
there, but I need to know hunting faceoffs.
51:22
Yeah, there it is. But yeah, so I have no problem
51:25
with holding him, training for him if you could get a
51:27
reasonable deal done. But I think there are many
51:30
fantasy hockey players out there who drafted defensemen for like
51:33
with a much higher pick. And they may be willing to send
51:37
them 4 ghosts. So that would be 1 if they don't
51:41
listen to the podcast and know that Rod is an absolute loose
51:44
cannon when it comes to fantasy hockey.
51:45
And two, they see better offensive defensemen on a team
51:50
that is scoring in the highest league.
51:51
So that's really what you see when you look at Ghost Spear.
51:55
You're very likely gonna need a package, a decent player to get
51:57
some of these players, but I think it's doable.
52:00
So where you could get in return Jake Sanderson, which was Joshua
52:03
below, Michael Sergachev, which again, you're getting Sergachev
52:08
plus you're not just searched because I think I'd actually
52:10
rather goes as Baird one for one maybe or it's close in that
52:14
trade. You.
52:15
Know say Dang Jakey. OK, like it's it's close enough.
52:18
It's close enough when I think that the points are gonna be
52:20
similar, but I guess Archiv I I'd slightly prefer anyways.
52:23
Lane Hudson, Mackenzie Blackwood.
52:26
But I'm, I'm kind of iffy on that one.
52:28
So let's just say insert Colorado Avalanche starting
52:31
goalie here. And considering it's still up in
52:32
the air, maybe Wedgewood has the edge, but you guys can shine
52:36
some light on that. I'd rather Dora Fev, who has
52:41
also been underperforming. So that means you'd rather
52:44
produce over gossip Spare. Maybe.
52:48
Send that, you'll take a while. We'll see.
52:52
And Nico Hischer. OK, I mean, first of all, love
52:56
this pic. You guys is very is is a clear,
53:00
clear cell high. My opinion on gossip spare the
53:02
past couple of years is anytime he starts being point per game,
53:05
which happens a lot, but it's usually for shorter stretches.
53:08
He's a cell high mainly because he has 0 back cats.
53:12
He has very little peripheral coverage.
53:14
Points wise. He's always solid.
53:15
Like he he is a solid defensive, but he's also not a point per
53:18
game. Right.
53:19
So it's like Jackie said, I'm not I don't see dropping ghosts
53:23
at any point in the season. I think he's going to be a
53:25
season long hold. He's gonna be someone you're
53:26
happy to have on your team unless you're in the need of
53:28
Black Cats, in which case you're like, why is this defence
53:30
opening up zero hits and zero blocks and barely any shots.
53:33
But like points wise, he's going to be solid.
53:35
I will say with the canes this year, they're 30 seconds.
53:38
Last year their pay was 25th, so they're not gonna be this bad.
53:41
But like I don't see them suddenly becoming one of the
53:43
best place in the league either. But I definitely love this as a
53:47
sell high. I like all your targets.
53:51
I mean I think you'd have to send for the defensemen.
53:54
You'd have to send gas to spare plus to to get them.
53:57
But I think the fact that, yeah, yeah, I mean, I had no idea,
54:01
felt this way. If we had done this episode
54:02
earlier, I would have taken circuit from you for sure.
54:05
But we did, and you watched the wrong miracle.
54:06
And nice, huh? I know it's actually a big deal
54:09
for me, but. Put off schedule too, right?
54:11
But no, honestly, I take it back.
54:13
I'd rather circuit Chev. And one quick thing.
54:16
I never said I'd rather produce over Dorothea VI, rather over
54:20
protests. It's gonna get more points.
54:21
So I'd rather Dorothy over protests, and I'd rather they'd
54:25
rather ghost over protests as well.
54:27
Yeah, fair enough. But anyways, yeah, so I love
54:31
your targets. I think if you do gossiper plus
54:33
you can get them in a lot of leagues.
54:34
In our league. I tried selling gossip for it to
54:36
literally every team in the league and Jake was the only one
54:40
who bit. But like to be honest, like our
54:41
trade is it's not really a gossip spirit trade.
54:43
It's pretty much a control for dry Sydal trade.
54:45
So ghosts there was nowhere near the main piece of that that
54:48
trade. Yeah, but but yeah, so it's
54:51
really leaked dependent if like some leagues people are just
54:54
wary of him, I guess because of the fact that he doesn't really
54:57
get many back cats or like over the years he's had hot stretches
54:59
and then cold stretches. But get what you can in terms of
55:02
your cross position ones. Dwarf has a great one.
55:06
I honestly like I think I could have pulled that off if Kevin
55:08
didn't snake me on the on a door fee of trade and if I didn't
55:11
make it. What do you mean snake you?
55:14
Mean you didn't wake me you just got it instead of me that you're
55:18
fine and then he sure, I think that's probably a bit of a
55:22
stretch but I mean look if you do gossip bear plus for he sure
55:25
he's just been terrible. So I think you could get it done
55:28
and I would love that. Blackwood is an interesting one
55:30
because I'm starting to think that like Wedgwood may be the
55:34
one in black with the 1B. So I don't know how many stars
55:37
he's going to get. The fact is if the situation
55:39
gets cleared out, you're not gonna be able to pull off this
55:41
trade. So you can only pull it off if
55:42
you truly believe in Blackwood and like and like before, he
55:46
kind of runs away with it. I don't think you can get it at
55:48
this point. I think what corners are kind of
55:50
believe that. What's the 1A?
55:51
So I don't think you can get it. So Blackwood is like if you
55:55
think Blackwood is going to be the starter, I think it's an
55:56
unreal deal. I just think there's a lot of
55:58
risk involved with that. But at the end of the day, also,
56:00
like I don't think Ghost is like the biggest loss, even though he
56:04
is like a solid like points guy for a defenseman.
56:06
Um, if you want to take us, if you need to swing at goalies,
56:08
you wanna make like a Hail Mary and all you end up and worst
56:11
case scenario is you lost. Goes for like the one beyond
56:13
Colorado. I still think it's not like
56:16
that's not the worst. It's probably a bit of an L, but
56:18
like it's not the worst. Worst case, you pick up Aleve
56:20
Shanov or a Hampus Lindholm or a darn Radish and you stream them
56:23
and then you just kind of make make shift that position
56:26
afterwards. But the deployment is not super
56:29
hard to replace technically, but he's producing at such a high
56:32
rate right now to take advantage of it and see what you can get.
56:35
I definitely like all these options better than Ghost.
56:37
I think some of them are harder to attain than others.
56:40
Like for me, if you're getting Jake Sanders and it's gonna take
56:43
a lot more like it's gonna be like Ghost plus a significant
56:46
plus or like. Totally get that, totally get
56:49
that. But that's significant plus is
56:50
way less than what the significant plus is probably
56:53
going to be in a month from now, because at the time of this
56:55
recording he is .48 points per game better than Sanderson.
56:59
Yeah. 1.18 to .7 right? Like I don't know how big the
57:04
plus actually has to be ha. Question would you?
57:08
Would you? Would you if you're the owner of
57:13
ghost? Would you saying ghost and
57:14
protist for Jake Sanderson? In a second.
57:17
Yeah, that's never getting accepted.
57:19
Yeah, 100%. I think like like I said, I was
57:23
trying to sell ghosts for the past like 2 weeks.
57:25
So I tried and I started high and then like you started
57:28
working my way down and then he kind of ended up being more of
57:30
like a throw in an art trade. But but I think he's a great no,
57:35
no, I know he's been great. Trust me, I've loved having him
57:37
in the 19th round and I've just been like, wow, I can't believe
57:40
I got this guy so late. Um, I will say another thing in
57:43
terms of his ice time is Slaven's gonna come back at some
57:45
point and that's gonna eat into his even strength this time a
57:49
lot. So he has no risk at power play
57:52
one, obviously, but that is something to note.
57:55
His already nonexistent bad cats might become even more
57:58
nonexistent. No, it's scary.
58:00
It's scary, but I still think he's going to be the number one
58:03
offensive. 100% which is crazy coming from Nikisha is coming to
58:08
steal his job after he got scratched last game.
58:11
Should I take my victory lap now or?
58:14
Or not really because I ended up with with Gooseberry.
58:17
That's been an interesting situation because I actually
58:20
like, if you look at his back question, he's been really good,
58:22
but. Yeah, other than getting
58:24
scratched in the game before that, straight zeros, but before
58:26
that he was good. Before that.
58:28
Before. That he before he was bad, he
58:30
was good. But yeah, anyways, that wraps it
58:32
up. Thank you to everybody for
58:34
listening to Week 8 Bullsh. We didn't say those types of
58:40
people actually know they're they're good thing we're saying
58:42
we're saying a swear word. Yeah, OK.
58:46
Buy low, sell high. No shortened anything.
58:52
OK, done. And Kevin?
58:56
Kevin is still here. Yeah, I massive difficulties.
59:00
My computer, just half of my computer died on me in the
59:03
middle of this recording. So it's obviously perfect
59:05
timing. Steer dedication that you you
59:08
literally traveled through wildernesses and and walked 500
59:12
miles like that song from the 80s and still delivered.
59:16
Yourself 500 more, yeah. The timing could not have been
59:19
better, but I missed that on not debating on you on produce for
59:22
longer. So maybe we say we saved the
59:25
listeners some valuable content. Maybe.
59:27
Jake, he was saying. Exactly, exactly.
59:30
We we framed it as the fantasy hockey gods stepping in to make
59:33
sure that you didn't trash my protest stakes.
59:39
That's what happened. I can't wait till the review of
59:40
this in two weeks. It's gonna be so fun.
59:42
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You'll be notified when all the episode goes.
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Episodes go live. And yeah, just good vibes around
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doing that. Yeah, and Kevin's shaking his
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booty right now just thinking about it.
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Exactly. Yes, I am.
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You can't see it, but I am. Exactly, and subscribe on
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YouTube. Take it away, Ernie.
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Bad about Bow Bangor management fantasy hockey podcast.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.