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Sharri | 26 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, and I've got a big exclusive interview tonight
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Speaker 2: with Donald Trump's newly appointed Director of counter Terrorism, Sebastian Gorka.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't hold back on just how weak international leaders have been.
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Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 4: Every nation in the world will have a decision to make.
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Speaker 4: Do you stand with those who are taking the fight
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Speaker 4: to the Jihades, to the terrorists, to the evildoers, or
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Speaker 4: do you stand with those who are trying to destroy
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Speaker 4: our civilization.
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Speaker 2: That's Donald Trump's new senior director of counter Terror and
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Speaker 2: that strong message for the likes of Albanezi and Penny Wang.
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Speaker 2: That big interview coming up also tonight, in her first
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Speaker 2: interview since the Albanzi government refused her visa, former Israeli
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Speaker 2: Minister Ilette Shaked will join me live on the She
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Speaker 2: is fired up now. This has been a big story
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Speaker 2: and that exclusive interview.
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Speaker 3: With Islett will be up shortly.
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Speaker 2: Plus the debate over the social media band for kids.
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Speaker 2: Some coalition figures are now saying they're going to cross
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Speaker 2: the floor. And yet we've had a couple of sunny
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Speaker 2: days in Sydney and we're already being warned about blackouts
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Speaker 2: I'll speak about all of this with Bronwan Bishop, Caleb Bond,
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Speaker 2: Cameron Milner and Liz Burke.
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Speaker 3: But first, the.
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister is facing worse and worse economic results by
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Speaker 2: the day, but he refuses to acknowledge the gravity of
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Speaker 2: this cost of living crisis gripping the nation. In Parliament
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Speaker 2: today Albin Ezy pretended everything was rosy, Wages going up,
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Speaker 2: he said, gender paygaff solved, inflation falling.
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Speaker 3: No dramas well.
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Speaker 2: Albanzy's head is in the Copa Cabana cliff top clouds
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Speaker 2: and here's his reality check. The news today that the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government is presiding over the longest household recession GDP
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Speaker 2: per capita has been falling for the past six quarters.
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Speaker 2: This is longer than any period over the past fifty years,
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Speaker 2: according to The Australian. And the only reason when not
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Speaker 2: in a nationwide full blown recession is because of the
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Speaker 2: high immigration numbers that's propping up the budget, the Big
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Speaker 2: Australia policy. But that's all irrelevant to the average family
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Speaker 2: because at a household individual level we are in a
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Speaker 2: recession and families are feeling it. Ross Greenwood spoke about
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Speaker 2: this here last.
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Speaker 5: Night guess what happened. The individual the household has been
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Speaker 5: in recession for months and months and months now, and
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Speaker 5: that's what consumers are feeling. That's what people are feeling.
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Speaker 5: That's the reason why you've got restaurants going out of
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Speaker 5: business around Australia right now, because people do not have
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Speaker 5: the disposable income.
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Speaker 2: And the actual figures show that business insolvencies have hit
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Speaker 2: their highest level since the pandemic, a four year high,
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Speaker 2: And as we spoke about last night, household disposable income
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Speaker 2: is lower than even during Australia's passed four recessions.
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Speaker 3: Well, given all of.
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Speaker 2: This, it's kind of stunning to think that when Alban
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Speaker 2: Easy became Prime Minister in May twenty twenty two, the
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Speaker 2: cost of living was his single biggest election promise.
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Speaker 3: You couldn't have missed it.
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Speaker 6: Labor has a plan for a better future, a plan
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Speaker 6: not just for them but for their children as well,
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Speaker 6: for families.
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Speaker 7: Taking the pressure.
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Speaker 1: Off the cost of childcare, the cost.
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Speaker 6: Of electricity, a plan to address cost of living, take
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Speaker 6: pressure off cost of living, meaningful ongoing help with the
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Speaker 6: cost of living for families.
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Speaker 2: That was his promise, take the pressure off the cost
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Speaker 2: of living but a half half years on. This is
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Speaker 2: the reality as articulated by the Coalition in question Time today.
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Speaker 8: After two and a half years of this Albaneze labor government,
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Speaker 8: Australians have seen their standard of living fall off a cliff,
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Speaker 8: the biggest reduction since records began in the fifties. We've
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Speaker 8: been in a household recession for a record six consecutive quarters.
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Speaker 8: This is worse for househols than Keating's recession we had
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Speaker 8: to have and the disastrous Whitlam government this week. Prime
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Speaker 8: Minister is taking our country in the wrong direction. How
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Speaker 8: can Australian families afford another three years of labor?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a brutal reality check and it was reflected
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Speaker 2: as well in a question on Q and A last
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Speaker 2: night that captured the sentiment of many Australians.
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Speaker 9: My husband and I we're a grocery shop. I mean,
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Speaker 9: the grocery shop is just staggering. And I don't know
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Speaker 9: personally knowing a number of people who don't have a house.
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Speaker 9: They're paying rent every week and if they've got a
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Speaker 9: couple of children, how do they pay rent? Pay all
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Speaker 9: these heavy tolls, huge grocery bills, Education, I mean medical
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Speaker 9: that the list just goes on and I think people
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Speaker 9: are getting to the point where they've lost all hope
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Speaker 9: in there being a better way of life than what
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Speaker 9: they're experiencing now.
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Speaker 2: Well grilled on these issues in Parliament today, alb and
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Speaker 2: Easy spoke of wage growth and yes, it's true wages
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Speaker 2: have grown under Jim Chalmers, but the growth has sadly
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Speaker 2: been more than eroded by taxes and the higher cost
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Speaker 2: of goods and services thanks to inflation. But Alban Easy,
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Speaker 2: of course never mentions the government's tax intake that's only
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Speaker 2: getting higher and higher, record tax thanks to bracket creep.
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Speaker 2: And as you might have heard, Deloitte Access Economics said
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Speaker 2: today that we're looking at the most severe deterioration in
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Speaker 2: the budget bottom line ever recorded outside of the COVID pandemic.
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Speaker 10: This is the most significant deterioration in the underlying cash
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Speaker 10: balance that we've seen outside of the pandemic. So what
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Speaker 10: we need in Australia is better fiscal policy, better economic
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Speaker 10: reform and tax reform to get the budget into a
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Speaker 10: more sustainable position over the longer term.
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Speaker 3: No, we sit here, we're just weeks out from the
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Speaker 3: end of the year.
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Speaker 2: When Albin Easy had thought that interest rates would be
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Speaker 2: falling and he would coast into the summer break, sipping
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Speaker 2: his elbow pale ale on the balcony of his new
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Speaker 2: Copa cabana clifftop mansion, and then roll into an easy
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Speaker 2: election win, just like he thought he'd easily win the Voice,
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Speaker 2: And when he didn't, he blamed misinformation and said about
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Speaker 2: trying to foist on Australians new legislation that would.
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Speaker 3: Shut down free speech.
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Speaker 2: Well, trying to convince Australians that he's got this economic
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Speaker 2: crisis covered and that he should be reelected, Well, that's
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Speaker 2: going to be a harder sell than the Voice. Yes,
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Speaker 2: because this is personal right now, Many Australian parents will
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Speaker 2: be worrying about how they can afford to buy Christmas
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Speaker 2: presents for their kids this year. But none of this
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Speaker 2: seems to bother Alban Easy. It's like he doesn't know
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Speaker 2: it's even happening. A Prime minister living a life of
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Speaker 2: freebies and luxury while the nation he's meant to be
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Speaker 2: leading suffers. I'm going to come back to that in
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Speaker 2: a moment with Rodman Bishop and Caleb Bonda. They have
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Speaker 2: a lot to say, but I want to turn now
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Speaker 2: and tell you about an exclusive story. Now, the Israeli
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Speaker 2: government is furious at Tony Burke's decision to refuse to
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Speaker 2: issue a visa to a former Israeli minister Iolete Shakehd.
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Speaker 2: She has family here in Australia. She was here in
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Speaker 2: March last year and there were no problems at all
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Speaker 2: with giving her a visa then. But Iolette applied for
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Speaker 2: a visa once again to visit her family and to
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Speaker 2: speak at a security conference in Canberra, but her visa
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Speaker 2: on Thursday night was rejected on character grounds.
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Speaker 3: Now, this was a political decision, and I can.
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Speaker 2: Tonight reveal that Tony Burke, as Home Affairs Minister, decided
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Speaker 2: to review this decision. An Islet was informed in writing
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Speaker 2: she was still on standby to fly to Australia for
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Speaker 2: the conference on Friday, on Saturday, on Sunday on Monday,
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Speaker 2: but she never heard from Tony Burke again. He ghosted her.
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Speaker 2: Far from diplomatic. This is a woman who was a
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Speaker 2: minister when Iftarie Bennett was Israeli PM. And if Naftalie
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Speaker 2: Bennett is elected the Prime Minister again, as he could
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Speaker 2: very well be at some point in the years to come,
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Speaker 2: well then IoLET could once again hold a senior position
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Speaker 2: in the Israeli government. Yet Tony Burke and the lousy
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian Albanesi government have shown her extreme discourtesy. The
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Speaker 2: Israeli government was very insulted by this highly political decision,
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Speaker 2: the anger felt at senior levels.
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Speaker 3: The Foreign Minister Gideon Sar is in disbelief.
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Speaker 2: Over how a supposed ally could treat Israel like this,
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Speaker 2: and Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs released this statement saying
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Speaker 2: the Australian government's decision to deny a visa to former
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Speaker 2: Israeli Minister Isolet.
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Speaker 3: Shaked is unacceptable.
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Speaker 2: The decision is deeply offensive and troubling and will have
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Speaker 2: a negative impact on Israel Australia relations.
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Speaker 3: Now, the reasons given.
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Speaker 2: By the Albanesi government were that if Islet was allowed
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Speaker 2: to enter Australia, there's a risk she would and I
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Speaker 2: quote Villifi segment of the Australian community or incite.
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Speaker 3: Discord in the Australian community.
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Speaker 2: So because she's Jewish and Israeli, she might incite discord
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Speaker 2: meaning disagreement in the Australian community. That is offensive, it
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Speaker 2: is racist, it is discrimination. Shame on Tony Burke and
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Speaker 2: Albin Ezi. To me, this sounds like the Albanzi government
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Speaker 2: yet again caving into terror supporters, because who else would
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Speaker 2: be upset by in Israeli flying into our country. This
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Speaker 2: is a capitulation to harmas clear and simple. It's because Burke, Albanezi,
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Speaker 2: Wong and the rest of them make the devastating mistake
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Speaker 2: of equating Israel with the terrorists it's trying to destroy.
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Speaker 3: It's this type of.
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Speaker 2: Weakness and moral confusion that Donald Trump as president wants
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Speaker 2: to stamp out. And as I said, I have his
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Speaker 2: new director of counter terrorism on my show tonight in
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Speaker 2: a big exclusive interview, Seb Gorka describes this attitude as
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Speaker 2: civilizational suicide.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we need leadership.
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Speaker 4: And the good news is when President Trump, my former boss,
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Speaker 4: and god willing my future boss, gets behind that resolute desk,
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Speaker 4: every nation in the.
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Speaker 1: World will have a decision to make. Do you stand
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Speaker 1: with those who are taking the fight to.
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Speaker 4: The Gihades, to the terrorists, to the evildoers, or do
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Speaker 4: you stand with those who are trying to destroy our civilization?
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Speaker 1: It will be a stark choice.
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Speaker 2: That interview is coming up, but never a true word
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Speaker 2: was said, and I will have Iilett Chaquette on the
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Speaker 2: show a bit later. That's Live after Australia's disgraceful decision,
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Speaker 2: and Sebastian Gorka coming up shortly as well. But now
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Speaker 2: let's bring in former Speaker of the House Bronwin Bishop
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Speaker 2: and Sky New's host Klee Bond.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you both.
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Speaker 2: Ruman, I want to ask you about this news today
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Speaker 2: that Australia is now in the longest household recession in
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Speaker 2: fifty years.
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Speaker 11: Well, why we're surprised, and we've got a government that
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Speaker 11: has completely and utterly rejected everything that people have learned
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Speaker 11: in the years since we've had bad recessions. It's got
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Speaker 11: wages chasing inflation and that's a recipe for disaster. You've
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Speaker 11: seen the policies that they're pursuing with regard to energy,
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Speaker 11: let alone the question that we're going to get blackouts,
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Speaker 11: which is rationing of power as well. But aside from that,
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Speaker 11: it just feeds into the cost of everything that people
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Speaker 11: have to buy their groceries at the server market. So
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Speaker 11: when we see those figures about just how bad it is,
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Speaker 11: I think we see just how poor discoverment really is
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Speaker 11: and it has to go at the next election because
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Speaker 11: Australia and Australians can't forward literally to have them for
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Speaker 11: another three years. If you don't have someone who can understand,
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Speaker 11: as Albanezi clearly doesn't, and Dr Chalmers with his PhD
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Speaker 11: in Paul Keating, who honestly believes that he is going
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Speaker 11: to reform capitalism, we're in serious trouble. So I think
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Speaker 11: that people are awakening from the wokeness that they have
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Speaker 11: accepted for a long time. And I think people seeing
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Speaker 11: this government for what it is, a.
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Speaker 2: No bigger issue than the cost of living Caleb. And
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Speaker 2: also it goes to the broken promise as well. I
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Speaker 2: mean just the number of times Albinizi made this his
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Speaker 2: central issue.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of stunning to think it's his biggest failure.
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Speaker 12: Well, it's hard to think of a prime minister or
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Speaker 12: a government in Australian history that has managed to achieve
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Speaker 12: so little in its first term. I mean, normally a
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Speaker 12: first term government you hit the ground running, here's our
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Speaker 12: policy platform, You've given us the mandate to do it.
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Speaker 12: What can Alban easy point to that he has managed
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Speaker 12: to achieve in this term as Prime minister And we've
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Speaker 12: had Airbus elbow and upgrade elbow. We might start calling
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Speaker 12: him absent elbow because he's not actually been there to
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Speaker 12: do anything. The only thing they can point to, which
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Speaker 12: is a furfee, is that inflation has gone down. But
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Speaker 12: of course inflation has only gone down as an official
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Speaker 12: figure because the government has pumped money into things such
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Speaker 12: as a subsidizing energy for instance. It doesn't make a
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Speaker 12: difference to what you have in your pocket. It doesn't
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Speaker 12: make a difference, as we know from the household figures,
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Speaker 12: what you have to spend. It simply diddles the numbers
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Speaker 12: to make the government look good. Apart from that, they've
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Speaker 12: done literally.
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Speaker 13: Nothing, but inflation is still above the target back. It
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Speaker 13: means that the price of everything is rising.
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Speaker 3: More than it should. Just for a little economics lesson that.
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Speaker 2: Now, we've had a couple of beautiful days of warm
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Speaker 2: weather in Sydney' sorry to everyone in Melbourne watching, but
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Speaker 2: when I say warm weather, I mean in the city.
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Speaker 2: It's been in the high twenties, hardly a heat wave,
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Speaker 2: and yet already this is testing the energy grid.
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Speaker 3: Here was the Australian Energy Market operator.
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Speaker 14: Today we are experiencing some quite unseasonable hot weather here
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Speaker 14: in New South Wales today, that combined with a number
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Speaker 14: of major generation units that are on outage, both due
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Speaker 14: to planned and unplanned maintenance, is causing tightness in electricity
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Speaker 14: supply here in New South Wales, both today and tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: I mean Brom and we just heard in there described
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Speaker 2: this as unseasonable hot weather. We're just days out from
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Speaker 2: the official summer period starts December the first, and yet
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Speaker 2: already it looks like the energy grid is.
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Speaker 3: Going to struggle to cope with it.
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Speaker 11: Well, of course it is because we are still totally
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Speaker 11: reliant on coal and coal fire power stations. And what
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Speaker 11: has happened because in the middle of the day when
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Speaker 11: they can buy and do buy circle renewables, it means
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Speaker 11: that the stations have to shut off, which means that
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Speaker 11: they are degraded, and the maintenance has not been up kept,
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Speaker 11: has not been keeping up, and so consequently you've got
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Speaker 11: various generators which are offline and being subject to repairs
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Speaker 11: and so called maintenance.
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Speaker 3: It's been programmed, but it's not.
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Speaker 11: It is a question of saying the government has told
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Speaker 11: us that col fired power stations are out and therefore
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Speaker 11: we don't have to take care of them, and the
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Speaker 11: other fact is this that when you see that in
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Speaker 11: New South Wales that the government has had to renew
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Speaker 11: the life of a cop fire passer OVERWI that was
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Speaker 11: going to shut down. That's going to happen more and
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Speaker 11: more because we can't do without it. And when I
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Speaker 11: see the head of AIMO get up there and say, well,
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Speaker 11: we're going to have to ration power, that's what he's saying.
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Speaker 11: Ration it. We're going to tell which users can have
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Speaker 11: to turn off their activity, such as tom Ago, the
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Speaker 11: big aluminum smelter, which is the greatest user about in
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Speaker 11: the country.
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Speaker 3: It will mean.
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Speaker 11: And then watch out if you've got a smart meter,
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Speaker 11: because then the government's.
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Speaker 2: Productivity are impacked on the economy.
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Speaker 11: Yep, but watch out personally you've got a smart meter,
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Speaker 11: the government ultimately can turn your power off.
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Speaker 3: Oh wow.
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Speaker 11: If you haven't got a smart meter, that guy, I.
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Speaker 3: Don't know, well, most people don't, Caleb.
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Speaker 13: I heard Paul Murray last night on air say that
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Speaker 13: he goes around the house this is to keep his
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Speaker 13: power bill down, turning off the lights.
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Speaker 3: And I think it's funny because my husband does. I'm
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Speaker 3: always turning lights on.
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Speaker 2: He's always turning the lights off, you know, because everyone's
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Speaker 2: very worried about the power bill.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's a gender thing. Caleb, Well, I don't know.
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Speaker 12: I mean my mother and father were both fastidious about
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Speaker 12: turn the lights off, turn the lights of, and I
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Speaker 12: never really understood it as a child who cares I
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Speaker 12: wasn't paying the bill. I mean, you know, you think
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Speaker 12: money comes out of a wall, right.
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Speaker 1: And it was quite.
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Speaker 12: Funny my girlfriend's young son said recently, because I was
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Speaker 12: leaving my rental property and looking for another one, and
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Speaker 12: you just said, why don't you buy a house? He said, well,
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Speaker 12: we've got money. I just go down the bank and
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Speaker 12: get the money. So you know you don't have any content.
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Speaker 12: I do it now though, because you know I've got
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Speaker 12: to pay the bill. Right. But the point when you
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Speaker 12: made about the coulified powerstations and the maintenance is the
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Speaker 12: number one thing here, because, of course, all the money
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Speaker 12: the government has spent over at least the last decade
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Speaker 12: has gone into renewables. So if you're an agl or
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Speaker 12: in origin or whoever it seems to be, or whoever
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Speaker 12: it happens to be, who owns a coulifired power station,
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Speaker 12: why would you be investing in a form of power
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Speaker 12: that the government wants you to turn off within the
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Speaker 12: next decade when you can get all the money out
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Speaker 12: of them to go and build renewables. Therefore, the colifired
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Speaker 12: power generators we have are degraded. They have been for
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Speaker 12: some time. Every time this has happened, it's been because
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Speaker 12: they're down for maintenance. And we supposedly live in a
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Speaker 12: first world country. Now we've got to know, don't have
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Speaker 12: the air conditioner down so low because it's bad you
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Speaker 12: run out of power.
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Speaker 1: Please.
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Speaker 11: I just remember being an international conference and talking to
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Speaker 11: someone from an African country. I'll just say I won't
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Speaker 11: name it. And he looked at me and he said,
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Speaker 11: how on earth can we prosper when in the entire
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Speaker 11: country we only have one power generating plant? He said,
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Speaker 11: the real prosperity for my country will only come when
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Speaker 11: we've got power like you've got now. It's not going
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Speaker 11: to come from wind farms. It's not going to come
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Speaker 11: from panels of glass. It's going to come from nuclear
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Speaker 11: or coal and or gas. And until people recognize this
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Speaker 11: fact and say we've been wrong, we've woken up. We're
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Speaker 11: no longer woke, we're awakened. We're really going to see
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Speaker 11: what's happening. We are on a trajectory to actually seeing
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Speaker 11: my granddaughter inheriting a very poor stand of living, and
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Speaker 11: I'm not prepared to stand by and let that happen.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, good on you, Bronwan.
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Speaker 13: You're here and you're still fighting, and we're appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: And now let's turn to Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: He's threatened to raise tariffs by an extra ten percent
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Speaker 2: on all Chinese goods coming into the US. He also
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Speaker 2: said he'll charge Mexico and Canada a twenty five percent
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Speaker 2: tariff on all products coming into the US.
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Speaker 13: He described, you know, ridiculous open borders. That's that's his
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Speaker 13: language in his social media post.
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Speaker 3: Caleb, Look, these are threats.
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Speaker 2: The threats could have the intended consequences without him actually
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Speaker 2: having to impose the tariffs.
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Speaker 12: What do you think, Well, I mean that that's obviously
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Speaker 12: what he's playing. And I mean he's alleging that China
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Speaker 12: hasn't done enough to stop the flow of fentanel into
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Speaker 12: the United States. The same goes for Mexico, of course,
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Speaker 12: not to speak for all the illegal immigrants who flow
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Speaker 12: over the border. There is no reason that Trump should
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Speaker 12: not be able to say, well, I'm going to slap
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Speaker 12: these tariffs on you if you don't play ball with us,
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Speaker 12: because of course, China did exactly the same thing to
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Speaker 12: us when we stood up to them. I mean, they
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Speaker 12: did put the tariffs in, some of which still there.
21:00
Speaker 12: I mean the shellfish. What are we still talking about
21:03
Speaker 12: that one? Three times that's been announced and still nothing
21:06
Speaker 12: has happened. So yes, I get the argument that it
21:09
Speaker 12: could be economically detrimental to consumers in the United States
21:13
Speaker 12: to have tariffs. But if China is going to play
21:16
Speaker 12: the game of slapping tariffs on other people, why shouldn't
21:19
Speaker 12: we play the same game back to them?
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Speaker 2: All right, cayleb Bond, brom A, Bishop, we are out
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Speaker 2: of time.
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Speaker 3: So great to see both of you. Thank you. Now.
21:27
Speaker 2: As I mentioned Donald Trump's new White House team, it's
21:30
Speaker 2: fast taking shape, and one of the President Elect's latest appointments,
21:35
Speaker 2: Sebastian Gorka will be the director for counter Terrorism. Gowker
21:39
Speaker 2: was part of Donald Trump's first administration. He's a former
21:43
Speaker 2: military and intelligence analyst. He's an author, and in recent
21:47
Speaker 2: times he's been a conservative television host and now he'll
21:51
Speaker 2: play a critical national security role.
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Speaker 3: In the White House.
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Speaker 2: And he joined me for an exclusive interview a little earlier.
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Speaker 2: Sebastian Gorka, Congratulations on your appointment. You've been given the
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Speaker 2: task by Trump of combating terrorism. What do you think
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Speaker 2: of the current greatest terror threats to the Western world?
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Speaker 4: Well, thank you for having me. I'm a big fan
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Speaker 4: of yours. We follow you closely here on the other
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Speaker 4: side of the world. The resurgence of global jihadism. People
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Speaker 4: think that it went away, but it didn't. With the
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Speaker 4: surrender of Afghanistan, the disgraceful surrender of Afghanistan by Joe Biden,
22:28
Speaker 4: by Lloyd Dustin, his Secretary Defense, we have a new
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Speaker 4: hub of jihadism. We left eighty well just eighty three
22:38
Speaker 4: billion dollars worth of weapons for the Taliban Al qaeda
22:42
Speaker 4: Is resurgent. ISIS is still out there, whether it's the
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Speaker 4: Huthis or whether it's the numerous proxies of Iran Bala
22:48
Speaker 4: a Hamas. The threat is as great as it's ever been.
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Speaker 4: And so that's why we need President Trump his National
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Speaker 4: Security advisor Mike Waltz back in the White House, and
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Speaker 4: we have a lot of work to do.
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Speaker 1: Come twelve on January the twentieth, in the.
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Speaker 2: Face of this growing terror threat. As you've just defined it,
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Speaker 2: it is extensive. We've also seen thousands of, let's face it,
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Speaker 2: terror supporters marching on the street absurdly in the name
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Speaker 2: of peace. How do you think said that Western leaders
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Speaker 2: internationally have responded to this.
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Speaker 4: Well, in some cases they've just stuck their head in
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Speaker 4: the sand, and in other cases they have thought that
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Speaker 4: they can deal with this threat with some kind of
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Speaker 4: political negotiation or some kind of economic aid.
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Speaker 1: But they're wrong. They're wrong.
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Speaker 4: I've spent thirty years teaching the strategy the ideology of
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Speaker 4: the Jihadi movement from the Ikuan, the Muslim Brotherhood on
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Speaker 4: down through al Qaeda and through Isis. Today we have
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Speaker 4: to understand that this is a war between the civilized world,
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Speaker 4: the Judeo Christian West, the greatest civilization the war has
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Speaker 4: ever seen, and the barbarians, those who wish to destroy
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Speaker 4: our civilization. Whether it's those responsible for nine to eleven,
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Speaker 4: whether it's those responsible for the heenous attacks on October
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Speaker 4: the seventh in Israel where women and children and unarmed
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Speaker 4: men were targeted. This is a war to the death
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Speaker 4: where only one side can win. The forces of light
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Speaker 4: and goodness or those who really are working for the
24:17
Speaker 4: destruction of our civilization.
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Speaker 3: That's so well put in.
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Speaker 2: I'd go further and say that some international leaders have
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Speaker 2: been utterly weak. They've been ineffective, hopeless, and probably have
24:28
Speaker 2: enabled the terror threat to grow. And that's not to
24:31
Speaker 2: mention the billions of dollars the Biden administration gave to
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Speaker 2: Iran and then the other international leaders calling for a
24:37
Speaker 2: cease fire instead of showing strength and solidarity or what's
24:41
Speaker 2: your response to this, I.
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Speaker 7: Can completely concur when you're giving literally billions of dollars,
24:50
Speaker 7: as the Biden administration did to those who preach every
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Speaker 7: Friday from the Muller's pulpits death to the West.
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Speaker 4: That's Susai, that's share insanity. When you think that you
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Speaker 4: can negotiate with people who call for the death of
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Speaker 4: every Christian and every Jew, that is it's just political suicide,
25:13
Speaker 4: it's civilizational suicide.
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Speaker 1: So yes, we need leadership.
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Speaker 4: And the good news is when President Trump, my former boss,
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Speaker 4: and God willing, my future boss, gets behind that resolute desk,
25:23
Speaker 4: every nation in the world will have a decision to make.
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Speaker 4: Do you stand with those who are taking the fight
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Speaker 4: to the Jihades, to the terrorists to the evildoers, or
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Speaker 4: do you stand with those who are trying to destroy
25:37
Speaker 4: our civilization.
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Speaker 1: It will be a stark choice.
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Speaker 4: But as I said when I was in the White
25:41
Speaker 4: House the first time, borrowing a phrase from the Marine Corps,
25:44
Speaker 4: my beloved devil dogs, it's very simple, America, no better friend,
25:50
Speaker 4: no worse enemy, and there will be a time for
25:52
Speaker 4: choosing for all the nations of the world.
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Speaker 1: Do you stand with us or do you stand with
25:57
Speaker 1: the Jihades?
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Speaker 3: Very strong words.
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Speaker 2: Well, in light of this, and I understand you've just
26:03
Speaker 2: been appointed and this is one of your first interviews,
26:06
Speaker 2: but the President has been clear he won't tolerate terror
26:09
Speaker 2: support as remaining in the United States.
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Speaker 3: What will you do to stop homegrown terror?
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Speaker 4: We have a domestic threat as well, when you side
26:21
Speaker 4: with those who are calling for the extermination of Israel
26:24
Speaker 4: from the river to the CEU. When we have people
26:27
Speaker 4: who are, let's put it mildly or diplomatically useful, idiots
26:31
Speaker 4: or worse working for the Iranian regime inside very sensitive
26:34
Speaker 4: positions in the US government that cannot be allowed to stand. So, yes,
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Speaker 4: we have lots of plans, my friend, but it would
26:44
Speaker 4: be impolitic and improper for me to reveal any of them.
26:47
Speaker 2: Right now, understood, Well, I might ask you about a
26:51
Speaker 2: couple of things that Australia has done of late. The
26:54
Speaker 2: Albaneze government issuing nearly three thousand visas to Gazans since
26:58
Speaker 2: October seven three.
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Speaker 3: Do you think Australia should be.
27:03
Speaker 2: Bringing in Garzans right now, which we're doing virtually more
27:07
Speaker 2: than any other country on Earth.
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Speaker 4: Well, the question is who are they and can you verifine?
27:14
Speaker 4: Can you vet them? If you can't, that's a problem.
27:17
Speaker 4: So this is why we had the travel moratorium at
27:21
Speaker 4: the very beginning of the first Trump administration, because we
27:23
Speaker 4: had seven nations who could not verify the identity of
27:27
Speaker 4: the people coming to America and who couldn't tell us
27:30
Speaker 4: that they were not a threat or.
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Speaker 1: They were safe.
27:32
Speaker 4: So here's the question that all Australians and the current
27:36
Speaker 4: government needs to consider.
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Speaker 1: When reliable polling data.
27:40
Speaker 4: Since October the seventh, the massacre of the innocence, and
27:44
Speaker 4: I've watched the unedited video from Hamas, the forty seven
27:48
Speaker 4: minute unedited video of the slaughter of men, women and children.
27:52
Speaker 4: Every decision maker needs to see that. When you know
27:57
Speaker 4: that more than seventy five percent of the population of
28:01
Speaker 4: Gaza in recent polling agreed with what happened to those
28:06
Speaker 4: innocent Jews on October the seventh. The question is are
28:10
Speaker 4: the people coming to your nation or to any free
28:13
Speaker 4: nation in the West. Are they in support of the
28:16
Speaker 4: slaughter of innocence or are they trying to escape the
28:20
Speaker 4: hellhole that is the Palestinian quote unquote gas and territories.
28:25
Speaker 4: If they're trying to escape it, that's one thing. If
28:28
Speaker 4: they believe in Australia, if they believe in your value system,
28:32
Speaker 4: that's great. But what if they are part of the
28:34
Speaker 4: seventy five percent who say the slaughter of the innocence
28:37
Speaker 4: is justified. That's the question that your nation and every
28:41
Speaker 4: decent nation needs to answer for themselves.
28:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the security risk that we've been concerned about.
28:48
Speaker 2: The Albenese government continues to fund UNRA, sending millions of
28:51
Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars to the organization, despite its proven terror links.
28:56
Speaker 2: What would your message be to the Albanese government on this, Well.
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Speaker 4: It is not my position to message the Australian government.
29:06
Speaker 1: I will just say to anyone who's.
29:08
Speaker 4: Considering the utility or the mandate of the United nations,
29:12
Speaker 4: which conflicts have they prevented? And when they have deployed
29:16
Speaker 4: conflict zones, including in Africa.
29:18
Speaker 1: How much of what they did actually made it worse?
29:21
Speaker 4: We know all about the child prostitution rings, the abuse
29:24
Speaker 4: of children in Africa by so called blue helmeted UN troops.
29:29
Speaker 4: What does that do to the legitimacy of the entity?
29:32
Speaker 4: And now we have you know, anybody can fact check me.
29:35
Speaker 4: Here we have people who are working for UNRA, the
29:39
Speaker 4: United Nations aid agency in the Middle East, who participated
29:45
Speaker 4: willingly in the savage, diabolical attack of October the seventh.
29:50
Speaker 1: So ask yourself a question, should.
29:52
Speaker 4: Your nation, Should any nation that believes in decency be
29:56
Speaker 4: funding and supporting an entity whose employees were a part
30:01
Speaker 4: of the greatest massacre of the Jewish people since the
30:05
Speaker 4: cessation of hostilities in nineteen forty five and the end
30:09
Speaker 4: of the show of the Holocaust. I think the answer
30:11
Speaker 4: to that question is rather obvious.
30:14
Speaker 2: Sebastian Gorka, good luck combating terrorism in your new role.
30:17
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time, and I hope
30:19
Speaker 2: to see you again on this program soon.
30:21
Speaker 1: God bless you. The pleasure was mine.
30:25
Speaker 2: Well, it's easy to see how Trump's national security team
30:28
Speaker 2: is going to be pretty unimpressed with the approach taken
30:31
Speaker 2: by Albanezi and his lackluster team.
30:36
Speaker 3: Well still to come.
30:37
Speaker 2: Could this be the Albenzi government's last sitting week before
30:39
Speaker 2: the next election. Cameron Milner has some big views on this.
30:44
Speaker 2: His political insights coming up, plus an interview with the
30:47
Speaker 2: former Israeli minister who was blocked from entering our country
30:52
Speaker 2: then ghosted by Tony Burke. Alette Shaked, would join Me
30:56
Speaker 2: Live from Israel for that exclusive interview right after this
31:00
Speaker 2: quick break.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
31:08
Speaker 2: Well, clearly the Albanezi government has decided to drop any
31:12
Speaker 2: remaining shreds of pretense of maintaining good relations with Israel, because,
31:18
Speaker 2: as we've been speaking about, it refused to issue a
31:21
Speaker 2: visa to an upstanding Israeli citizen, a former Israeli government minister.
31:27
Speaker 3: Now, I let Shakhad.
31:29
Speaker 2: She may not be welcome into Australia under Anthony Albanizi,
31:33
Speaker 2: but she is and will always be welcome onto Sky
31:36
Speaker 2: News and I'm pleased to say I let joins me
31:38
Speaker 2: now live from Israel in her first.
31:40
Speaker 3: Interview, I let welcome.
31:42
Speaker 2: I feel ashamed this is our government and I'm sure
31:45
Speaker 2: all of my viewers would be feeling the same. Can
31:48
Speaker 2: you tell us your reaction when you received the letter
31:52
Speaker 2: saying that your visa was going to be refused?
31:57
Speaker 3: Julia, I was shocked.
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Speaker 15: You know, I've been told that this specific government is
32:01
Speaker 15: very radical and proper Estinian government, but I never thought
32:06
Speaker 15: that they will take such such a decision. You know,
32:09
Speaker 15: I was a Minister of Interior as well. I would
32:12
Speaker 15: never thought to refuse a visa to a formal official
32:18
Speaker 15: of my allies. You know, it's such an undemocratic decision.
32:23
Speaker 15: I think your Minister of Interior should be a shame
32:26
Speaker 15: of himself. That is just trying, you know, to impress
32:31
Speaker 15: radical Muslim minority and instead, you know, it's hurting the
32:37
Speaker 15: feeling of the Jewish community in Israel and the relationship
32:41
Speaker 15: with Israel. You know, I spoke with the Minister of
32:45
Speaker 15: Foreign Affairs in Israel and with the ambassador, and definitely
32:50
Speaker 15: there will be consequences to this brutal act.
32:55
Speaker 2: That's breaking news that I let what do you mean
32:57
Speaker 2: by consequences? So the Foreign Minister in Israel, Giddi inside,
33:00
Speaker 2: he's well across this situation. I reported at the start
33:03
Speaker 2: of the show, that he is very angry about it.
33:06
Speaker 2: What ramifications or consequences will there be for Australia.
33:12
Speaker 15: Let's wait for the ambassador and for the Minister of
33:15
Speaker 15: an Affairs to act and to react. But I can
33:20
Speaker 15: tell you, you know, it's not that they refuse to give
33:23
Speaker 15: me a visa. It's just that this government became anti
33:27
Speaker 15: Semitic on October seven, the Hamas Lounge, a genocidal, barbaric
33:34
Speaker 15: attack on Israel. And you know, before October seventh, I
33:37
Speaker 15: visited Australia. I have family there with my beloved aunt
33:41
Speaker 15: and cousins. They are living in Sydney, and I visited
33:45
Speaker 15: the Jewish community in Australia. We have amazing Zionists Jewish
33:50
Speaker 15: community in Australia. And suddenly after October seventh, they changed
33:55
Speaker 15: their mind. So I think it's just a disc it's
34:00
Speaker 15: just a shameful and disgraceful decision, and it will be
34:06
Speaker 15: just you know, a black anacdote on this government and
34:10
Speaker 15: on the history of the relationship between the two countries.
34:14
Speaker 15: But I fully believe that Israel and Australia are very
34:18
Speaker 15: good allies and it doesn't matter what the government is
34:21
Speaker 15: right now in Australia, and I hope, of course that
34:24
Speaker 15: next to you you would ever knew a government and
34:27
Speaker 15: I will be able to come and visit you.
34:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly hope you will be able to come and
34:32
Speaker 2: visit us again, because it's absurd that, as you said,
34:35
Speaker 2: you were able to come in March last year and
34:38
Speaker 2: visit your family here in Australia. Nothing's changed since then
34:42
Speaker 2: except for October seven, an attack by Harmas on Israel.
34:47
Speaker 2: Now I understand that Tony Burke actually sent a second
34:50
Speaker 2: letter to you where he told you that he was
34:53
Speaker 2: going to review this decision, but then he never got
34:56
Speaker 2: back to you.
34:56
Speaker 3: I mean we call that ghosting.
34:59
Speaker 2: He just never got back to you and you were
35:01
Speaker 2: sitting there waiting to hear yeah, tell us.
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Speaker 9: Yes.
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Speaker 15: So it got back to me this morning and it's
35:08
Speaker 15: still refused to give me a visa. It doesn't really
35:13
Speaker 15: matter because the conference is about to finish in two days,
35:17
Speaker 15: so I can't come anyway. But it's still refusing and
35:21
Speaker 15: as I'm saying, it's just, you know, undemocratic decision. I
35:27
Speaker 15: represented Israel. I was Minister of Justice and Minister of
35:31
Speaker 15: Interior exactly like himself, and I would have never done
35:35
Speaker 15: such a thing to.
35:36
Speaker 1: My ally, and I.
35:39
Speaker 15: Think, you know, it's just he needs to give answer
35:43
Speaker 15: to the Jewish community in Australia about this brutal act.
35:48
Speaker 15: And I think that, you know, in the basic issue
35:51
Speaker 15: is that they just don't distinguish between good and evil.
35:57
Speaker 15: Israel is fighting for a lie. You know, we are
36:01
Speaker 15: fighting in like seven frontis against teral organization in the
36:07
Speaker 15: south and in the north, this sterile organization Hamas slaughtered
36:12
Speaker 15: our families, burned our babies, raped our women, decapitated soldiers.
36:18
Speaker 15: And instead of you know, I think that the Democratic
36:23
Speaker 15: allies should stand with Israel and say we support Israel
36:27
Speaker 15: as a democratic state, we support its right to defend
36:30
Speaker 15: itself exactly like the US, and they'll just choose the
36:34
Speaker 15: wrong side of the history.
36:37
Speaker 2: Now, they blocked you from coming island, but at the
36:39
Speaker 2: same time, this Albanesi government rushed through nearly three thousand
36:45
Speaker 2: visas for Palestinians from Gaza without proper security vetting.
36:50
Speaker 3: We didn't have anyone on the ground.
36:52
Speaker 2: I mean, this is an extreme case of moral confusion,
36:56
Speaker 2: isn't it.
36:58
Speaker 15: Definitely, And the Australian people will just you know, allow
37:03
Speaker 15: his voice and change this government in the current election
37:07
Speaker 15: instead of giving full support to Israel, they're just you know,
37:12
Speaker 15: betrayed our relationship and give just full support for the
37:16
Speaker 15: Palestinian They are looking on one side and distort the reality.
37:22
Speaker 3: It's an embarrassment to all of us.
37:24
Speaker 2: Here Isila shakhad As I said, you're always welcome on
37:27
Speaker 2: this show.
37:28
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining us and speaking much.
37:33
Speaker 3: It's just appalling, isn't it.
37:35
Speaker 2: This isn't how you treat an ally having an existential fight,
37:40
Speaker 2: trying to fight for its very survival. Coming up after
37:47
Speaker 2: the break, speculation is mounting that the PM may call
37:51
Speaker 2: the election earlier than May. I'll tell you which date.
37:54
Speaker 2: The alban Easy government is really looking at. Cameron Milner
37:57
Speaker 2: and Liz Burke will join me. Plus the debate over
38:00
Speaker 2: Labour's social media ban for kids. More coalition figures are
38:03
Speaker 2: vowing to cross the floor. That's coming up after this
38:07
Speaker 2: quick break.
38:12
Speaker 3: All right, welcome back.
38:13
Speaker 2: Well, let's bring in now former Labor State Director and
38:16
Speaker 2: Farmer chief of Staff to Bill Shorten, Cameron Milner and
38:19
Speaker 2: News dot com Dot Au deputy editor Liz Burke.
38:22
Speaker 3: Great to see both of you.
38:24
Speaker 1: Thank you.
38:25
Speaker 3: Well.
38:25
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at Labour's social media ban for kids. Now,
38:29
Speaker 2: this was originally a policy that Peter Dutton first suggested,
38:33
Speaker 2: but now there are key coalition figures like Alexantik and
38:37
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan who are expressing concerns and they also say
38:41
Speaker 2: they're not going to vote for the laws.
38:43
Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 16: I don't think it should be pasted this week. I
38:49
Speaker 16: don't understand the haste here. It is a joke, it
38:51
Speaker 16: is an embarrassment and we should pause this, extend the
38:55
Speaker 16: inquiry and let's take a bit more time to consider
38:58
Speaker 16: this world leading legislation.
39:00
Speaker 17: I don't support it. I don't think the words banned
39:03
Speaker 17: media should ever be in a sentenced together. I'm concerned
39:07
Speaker 17: about a whole range of issues. The creep is one
39:09
Speaker 17: of them. The powers given to the Commissioner.
39:13
Speaker 2: Now, the issue of concern Cameron is that everyone would
39:17
Speaker 2: need to give a digital idea.
39:19
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's the case.
39:20
Speaker 2: I'm saying that's the concern that figures and people, you
39:24
Speaker 2: know Australians are holding that everyone adults included, would need
39:28
Speaker 2: to give.
39:28
Speaker 3: A digital ID.
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Speaker 13: Labor hasn't actually spelled out how these laws would work,
39:34
Speaker 13: and that's part of the problem.
39:38
Speaker 18: Well, I think The good thing is that there's genuine
39:40
Speaker 18: bipartisan support to actually stop this sewer, the sewer that
39:43
Speaker 18: is social media out there polluting our young people with
39:47
Speaker 18: shameless information. Look, we don't let them take tobacco or smoke,
39:50
Speaker 18: or drive a car or get married for four their
39:52
Speaker 18: sixteen So I think sixteen's are very good and very reasonable,
39:55
Speaker 18: sensible decision. So let's work out the detail. But the
39:59
Speaker 18: macro is is we've got to turn off this tap.
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Speaker 18: We've got to stop the sewer, and we're going to
40:03
Speaker 18: stop social media polluting our young people's minds.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Liz, I think most parents, and this is obviously
40:10
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton sense because he's backing these lots, most parents
40:13
Speaker 2: do want a social media ban for kids. It's very
40:16
Speaker 2: hard for them to enforce. But there is at the
40:19
Speaker 2: same time growing concern that everyone would have to give.
40:22
Speaker 3: Their identity to use the internet.
40:24
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right, And like you said, there's not heaps
40:26
Speaker 13: of detail around that at the moment. The Senate Committee
40:30
Speaker 13: did publish its inquiry its report this evening and there
40:34
Speaker 13: is a recommendation in there around the digital ID so
40:37
Speaker 13: that's going to force some detail there. I think we'll
40:40
Speaker 13: certainly you know, start to see a bit more of
40:43
Speaker 13: what's actually going to be proposed and what could be effective.
40:46
Speaker 13: I think though, like you said, it's very popular proposal
40:50
Speaker 13: among parents, and a lot of people who support this
40:53
Speaker 13: I don't think are really concerned with the detail. Like
40:56
Speaker 13: you said, Cameron, it's more about the macro and I
40:58
Speaker 13: think there's a rush to get this through. There's both
41:01
Speaker 13: a real rush from the government to get a popular
41:03
Speaker 13: policy through ahead of an election, and I think there's
41:06
Speaker 13: a perceived rush among parents that's more to do with
41:10
Speaker 13: I guess the fleeting nature of youth. I mean, in reality,
41:13
Speaker 13: these laws aren't going to be in effect until you know,
41:16
Speaker 13: twenty twenty six. They won't actually be able to enforce
41:19
Speaker 13: that legislation. But I think there's fear that if it's
41:23
Speaker 13: delayed any further, then more and more Australian children are
41:27
Speaker 13: going to outgrow these protections. So if it's delayed any further,
41:30
Speaker 13: if it's not going to get passed, then you know,
41:32
Speaker 13: that just kind of leaves more children vulnerable.
41:36
Speaker 2: Cameron, I want to turn to your piece in the
41:38
Speaker 2: Nightly now. I think you're predicting a March eight election day.
41:42
Speaker 3: That's my birthday.
41:43
Speaker 2: By the way, so these could be if you're right,
41:48
Speaker 2: this week could be the last week of the alban
41:51
Speaker 2: Ezy government, in last sitting week before the election.
41:55
Speaker 3: What do you think? What are you hearing about when
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Speaker 3: the election is going to be caught?
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Speaker 18: Well, I don't think they can keep going the way
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Speaker 18: they are.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Parliament is.
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Speaker 18: An absolute shamozel, an absolute shamozel are I mean the
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Speaker 18: Greens and Liberals are tag teaming their attacks on labor,
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Speaker 18: and Labour's being sort of beaten up around the chambers
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Speaker 18: all around the place, and they've lost control of Parliament.
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Speaker 18: So there's no point to go back, no point to
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Speaker 18: go back. And I don't think the budget is going
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Speaker 18: to be the bounce that they want either, so leaving
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Speaker 18: it right out to May doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Speaker 18: Calling election straight after Christmas when people are feeling good
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Speaker 18: about themselves. Got a bit of a buzz calling on
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Speaker 18: Australia Day for March eight, I think makes an awful lot.
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Speaker 2: Of sense if people are feeling good about themselves. I mean,
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Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of families who are
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Speaker 2: going to be struggling to buy Christmas presents for their children.
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Speaker 2: They'll be disappointed at children. It could be a complete mess. Liz,
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Speaker 2: what's your sense do you think the Prime Minister is
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Speaker 2: going to want to return to Parliament next year?
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Speaker 3: Will you try and avoid that?
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Speaker 13: I think there's a pretty good case, like you just said,
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Speaker 13: to avoid it. I mean, things aren't really going to
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Speaker 13: get better for families, you know, between now and Australia Day,
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Speaker 13: between now and March eight, between now and May twelve,
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Speaker 13: if that's when the election is, you know, cost of
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Speaker 13: living is not going to go down, affordability is not
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Speaker 13: going to get any easier. Things are likely to get
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Speaker 13: worse for families. The only sense in holding out would
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Speaker 13: be maybe if they're banking on, you know, a rate cut,
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Speaker 13: but that's you know, you wouldn't put your money off
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Speaker 13: that now.
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Speaker 3: It's not going to happen.
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Speaker 13: It's certainly not going to happen before March. It's very
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Speaker 13: unlikely to happen before May. So yeah, and we know
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Speaker 13: also that the budget is slated for May twenty five.
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Speaker 13: With the numbers that they've got to work with, sorry,
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Speaker 13: March twenty five, With the numbers that they've got to
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Speaker 13: work with, it's going to be really, really difficult to
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Speaker 13: produce an election winning budget, so if they can avoid
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Speaker 13: that altogether, then that's probably an advantage.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Cameron, what do you reckon about this?
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Speaker 2: Because Jim Chalmers has delivered two surpluses, you know, a
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Speaker 2: huge feat. The Coalition wasn't able to deliver a surplus.
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Speaker 2: But the next budget will be in severe deficits. So
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Speaker 2: do you think they're going to want to avoid that
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Speaker 2: or they're just going to have the budget and argue
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Speaker 2: that well, they delivered too, and the Coalition did it.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 18: I think it's good that we've got surpluses, but I
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Speaker 18: don't think voters who are under massive crisis cost a
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Speaker 18: living crisis pretty particularly care about that. They do care
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Speaker 18: about labor debt and deficit though, and they'll care about
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Speaker 18: the fact that Charmers in March next year has to
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Speaker 18: tell everyone that inflation's going back up again. His budget
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Speaker 18: only buys those power bills for so long, and they'll
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Speaker 18: have to return to what the RBA is saying, which
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Speaker 18: is interest rates and inflation are under pressure in the
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Speaker 18: back half of twenty twenty five. So the budget is
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Speaker 18: not going to be a great document because of externalities,
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Speaker 18: not because of what Chalmer's plan is, but because you've
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Speaker 18: actually got to bring to book all those problems that
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Speaker 18: Labour's gone on the horizon and voters will then see
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Speaker 18: it in plane riding.
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Speaker 3: And Liz Dutton does still have the edge.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition traditionally has the edge on economic management, but
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Speaker 2: I mean that's even exacerbated given the extreme cost of
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Speaker 2: living crisis that Australians are going through.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and look, I mean if Cameron's right about his
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Speaker 13: election date, maybe it'll be a Dutton government that has
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Speaker 13: to hand down the next budget anyway, which.
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Speaker 3: Is looking pretty dismal.
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Speaker 13: But it'll be an easier self them to have to,
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Speaker 13: you know, deliver a budget that's maybe not so popular
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Speaker 13: when they're being seen as being lunked with Labour's mess.
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Speaker 13: Then you know, then it would be for Charmers to
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Speaker 13: have to hand down his budget when he's been I
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Speaker 13: guess in control of the economy for all these years.
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Speaker 13: But with the surplus issue, I mean, do voters really
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Speaker 13: care about about a surplus? I think, especially in times
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Speaker 13: like now, it's more about you know, what's in it?
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Speaker 3: For me as a voter, I'll.
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Speaker 13: Often see the surplus as you know, government's crowing about
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Speaker 13: having all of this excess amount of money, although that's
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Speaker 13: not really exactly what it is. It's almost like, you know,
45:34
Speaker 13: if you're working at a company and they're announcing delivering
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Speaker 13: massive profits for their shareholders, but as an employee, you're going, well,
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Speaker 13: where's my pay increase?
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Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 17: Like?
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Speaker 13: I think, I don't think a surplus is as impressive
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Speaker 13: and as much of a vote winner people or maybe government.
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Speaker 3: Their own family budget.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, foremost completely Cameron, what do I question?
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Speaker 3: Without notice?
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Speaker 2: As they say, do you there's any chance alban Easy
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Speaker 2: will be rolled before the next election.
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Speaker 18: Well, that's the other reason for not coming back, because
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Speaker 18: the last opportunity for Caucus to neck him this year
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Speaker 18: was yesterday unfortunately, So if the Labor comes back, there'll
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Speaker 18: be four more Caucus meetings and four more opportunities. So
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Speaker 18: going to election before Labor Caucus can actually review him
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Speaker 18: might be a good thing.
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Speaker 2: And there has been some chatter about Tony Burke being
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Speaker 2: a little bit ambitious.
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Speaker 18: Burke has always been ambitious, blindingly ambitious, and is the
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Speaker 18: sort of guy who would actually roll the dice on
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Speaker 18: a leadership.
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Speaker 2: Le's very quickly before we go, I want to touch
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Speaker 2: on the campaign that news dot COM's running at the moment,
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Speaker 2: take the stand, tell me about it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 13: So we are campaigning for survivors of sexual assault, who
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Speaker 13: overwhelmingly report that when they enter the justice system, they
46:54
Speaker 13: come out of it more traumatized than when they entered it.
46:57
Speaker 13: In many cases, we've had women report to us that
46:59
Speaker 13: they have actually found the experience of going through court,
47:03
Speaker 13: even at times when their offender was found guilty, when
47:06
Speaker 13: they've had justice, that that experience has actually been traumatic.
47:10
Speaker 13: Then the event that more traumatic than the event that
47:12
Speaker 13: led them there. So we're campaigning for eight cost effective
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Speaker 13: changes that governments can implement right now that will help survivors.
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Speaker 13: And Nina Finel, the journalist who is producing this campaign,
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Speaker 13: has got some really extraordinary stories, exclusive stories of women
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Speaker 13: and their tales of survival and the trauma that they've
47:32
Speaker 13: been through with the courts. I really encourage everyone to
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Speaker 13: check it out. There's a petition associated that you can
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Speaker 13: sign as well. Well done on that important work, Lisebert
47:39
Speaker 13: camera Milner.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you. Thanks all support. Now don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 2: I'll give my final thoughts on Pennywong's comments about the
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Speaker 2: ICC warrants to arrest Net and Yahoo.
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Speaker 3: That's after the break.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: A former un official, Ramesh, has made the point in
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Speaker 2: the Odds today that the panel that ICC prosecutor Karim
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Speaker 2: Khan selected either had personal links to him or were
48:05
Speaker 2: already on the record accusing Israel of war crimes that
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Speaker 2: they were asked to investigate. This was never going to
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Speaker 2: be an impartial investigation. They didn't even step foot in Israel.
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Speaker 2: And tonight Alexander Downer has said that he regrets signing
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Speaker 2: Australia up to the ICC when he was Foreign Minister.
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Speaker 2: It is now time to leave.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you again eight o'clock Thursday. Here's poor Murray