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Mikki Willis on Divine Purpose and the Great Awakening vs. the Great Reset · Man in America Podcast

• 1:33
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So have you seen the documentary series Plandemic? The first Plandemic movie which came out really at the height of the COVID pandemic was seen by literally billions of people around the world. It might be one of the most viewed videos in the history of mankind.
• 1:56
  Well, the filmmaker behind that, the brilliant man behind that, Mickey Willis, is our guest today because he recently launched his third in the series called The Great Awakening, which if you haven't seen it yet, I highly, highly recommend you watch it because Mickey just has this incredible ability to capture what's going on, to figure out the truth behind what's happening, to bring you that truth, and to deliver it in a way that is just a cinematic experience that you will not forget. So the folks, I really hope you enjoy this interview with Mickey Willis. We'll be diving deep into some probably bigger picture ideas of what's really going on and most importantly, how we as free human beings sovereign individuals can resist and overcome the great reset. Before we get started, a few notes for you. For one, if you like to listen to podcasts, if you want to listen instead of watch, every Man in America show is also on your favorite podcast app.
• 2:54
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• 3:09
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• 3:39
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• 4:03
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• 4:34
  So alright, folks, let's dive into this interview with Mickey Willis. Mickey, it is such a pleasure to have you back on the show. Thank you so much for making time for me. I know you've been probably very busy, but it's just it's great to have you here.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: It's always great to be back with you. Thank you for having me.
• 4:53
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. So you just released the third installment of the Plandemic series, which in my humble opinion is by far the best. And the first two were absolutely incredible. But this third one, actually, if you recall, I mean, as soon as my wife had finished watching it, I called you and just said, look, this is just beyond anything I've ever seen. I would honestly say it's the best documentary I've ever seen and I'm not just, you know, blowing smoke, like I watch a lot of documentaries, I was just, just dumbfounded by it.
• 5:26
  It was such an incredible piece of work.
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: Wow, thank you. Thank you for those kind words.
• 5:31
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. So how about, let's start with the trailer. So I'll play the trailer for the the documentary, and then we can dive into a lot of the things surrounding it and some of the lessons learned and some of your story behind that. But I want to start with just playing the trailer and just also encourage everyone to, I'll put the links below where people can watch it. And that's like the first requirement.
• 5:52
  If someone's watching or listening to this show and they haven't watched it, press pause and go watch the documentary first because it is, I would say this is gonna be a great interview, but it's way better time well spent watching that documentary. It's just incredible. So let's go ahead and start with the trailer to kick us off.
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: National emergency.
• 6:28
  Speaker 4: The new stay at home order.
• 6:30
  Speaker 3: We will shut you down.
• 6:31
  Speaker 5: Don't think you can get on a plane or a train.
• 6:34
  Speaker 3: This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. And we will take you to jail. We've got
• 6:39
  Seth Holehouse: to get them vaccinated,
• 6:41
  Speaker 3: or we will keep you in a facility longer.
• 6:44
  Speaker 6: As the world was descending into synchronized tyranny, I began to ask myself, how did they get everyone to go along with this?
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, it feels so good. I know.
• 6:56
  Speaker 6: Obsessed with finding the answer, I began studying every moment in recorded history where masses of people acted against their own self interest.
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: The only mechanism that could explain what was happening in society
• 7:10
  Speaker 4: Screw your freedom. You're schmuck.
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: Was what is usually referred to as mass formation.
• 7:16
  Speaker 5: We are now with an economy in crisis, but with an incredible opportunity. Unprecedented opportunity.
• 7:21
  Speaker 4: For a reset. Your royal highnesses, distinguished heads of state and government, the future is built by us. We need a great reset.
• 7:31
  Speaker 6: When they say, you'll be happy, what they mean is, you'll
• 7:36
  Speaker 7: be enslaved. Today, we have the technology to hack human beings on a massive scale.
• 7:43
  Speaker 4: Who masters those technologies will be the master of the world.
• 7:49
  Speaker 7: Those who control the data control the future, not just of humanity, but the future of life itself. Every
• 7:58
  Speaker 3: aspect of our life has been infiltrated by people that do not have our best interests at heart.
• 8:03
  Speaker 4: There are forces using fear and isolation to induce mass psychosis.
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: I don't want you to be hopeful.
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: Environmental bill. Virus. I want you to panic. Storms. It will kill your children.
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: I want you to feel the fear I feel every day.
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: People are starting to wake up. They're starting to wake us. The world.
• 8:22
  Speaker 3: I'm seeing people coming together from all walks of life, finally saying enough is enough.
• 8:28
  Speaker 7: We didn't come here for no reason. We have a voice, and we're here to share it.
• 8:31
  Speaker 3: We have to be the solution. We cannot rely on the media, the president, or whoever to fix these problems.
• 8:36
  Speaker 6: I would rather pick up cans on the side of the highway than to live out of alignment with my truth.
• 8:41
  Speaker 8: We're all being driven back to the dream.
• 8:44
  Speaker 9: As you see in the audience, Democrats, Republicans, white, black, everyone all in between, this is the example that they do not want to see, but they have no choice.
• 8:55
  Speaker 6: The masses of humanity have been slapped awake.
• 8:59
  Speaker 4: Open your eyes.
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: It's time to wake up. This
• 9:08
  Speaker 6: is the great awakening. People cannot go back into the matrix now. A lot of people are trying to. They can't.
• 9:23
  Seth Holehouse: So Mickey, I guess just starting off with with you know the first bigger picture question is what's driving you? Because it just to me, it seems like there's something very special that, you know, some sort of very special mission that's pushing this forward and what you've been able to capture with these documentaries, I think that is extremely significant because if you look at the past couple of years, this period of time, I think what you know a hundred years, you know, in the future when they look back, they'll see that this was the most significant shift in in humanity as far as that's my, that's my opinion on that. And you've managed to document and capture that and present the truth of what's happening now in a way that is almost like divinely guided. It's it's it's it's incredible, the work that you're doing. So what's what is it that's driving you?
• 10:18
  What's pushing you forward to do this?
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: Well, as a thirty year media veteran, I've been worried for quite some time as to what the media is doing to us. And it's such a powerful tool that's being wrongfully used to divide us, to break down our critical thinking ability, and to ultimately leave us in a position of being desperate and dependent upon our government. It's a mouthpiece for the agenda, and the these few people who have these wicked agendas would have no power if it weren't for the media amplifying their voice and creating the illusion of mass support and and leaving the people in a place of feeling like there's no other choice but to follow. And so that's, you know, that's one of the reasons. I also have had a lot of very odd experiences in my life that have really pushed me into doing this work.
• 11:24
  You know, I was at the World Trade Center 2001. That was a life changing experience that had me wake up from the illusion of Hollywood to realize that I wanted no part of that machine. And thirty years ago, I lost a brother to medicine that Anthony Fauci prescribed, which killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Thirty four days later, my mom was killed by bad cancer treatments. And so that's that's kind of the that's what I you know, having that experience at a I think I was twenty twenty three years old or something like that really woke me up to the problems within our Western medical system that is, you know, has been for a number of years.
• 12:08
  Medical error is the number three killer of the human body. And if you think about that, you know, like the the very industry that's supposed to be there to serve our health and save us, it's the number three killer medical error. And so there's something terribly wrong when you have the the very system that is supposed to be protecting us, that it's actually doing the harm itself. So there's all those reasons. You mentioned divinely guided, and it's interesting because that's been coming up a lot lately.
• 12:39
  And I usually don't talk about this because I don't ever wanna sound like, you know, that we're trying to feel that we're anointed or anything like that because we're just average common people, doing our best to do what a lot of people are doing, and that's fight for our human rights and for our country and for our children. But at the same time, there's no doubt that that the work that's happening is being guided. It's been really interesting to the last three years to witness myself even when I receive you know, two years ago, was receiving, a lot of hate. And now today, three years since the pandemic has been announced, I receive a lot of gratitude. And because people realize that we weren't as we weren't crazy like the media said we were and that we actually had a you know, some evidence that is now being proven to be true.
• 13:44
  But even when I receive compliments from people, I don't even you know, I I I love to receive them, and I I also feel like, they don't belong to me because something else I just feel humbled and grateful that that I'm being used to be able to to make the movies that we're making. And what what I mean by that, I know that your listeners are keyed in to understand what I mean by that. But as we have examples that happen all day long all day long in the edit bay, and I'll I'll give you an example of how almost impossible this is. And that is you understand you've made movies, and so, you know, you have a timeline, an edit timeline. You have a computer screen, and then there's a colorful Lego looking timeline with all of your media in it.
• 14:33
  And this timeline timeline is can be cut and opened up. And so sometimes when we'll make a point, as you'll witness in the in my movies, because I understand that people are so quick to doubt, so quick to distrust, and so oddly willing to believe the media when some when they say that person is wrong or lying, they don't even check themselves, but they believe the media. And, so we've learned to we've developed these styles. If we talk about something, we're gonna show you the headline, and we're gonna underline it and zoom in on. We're gonna show you the patent and the patent number.
• 15:09
  We're gonna zoom in on it and highlight it and underline it so that it's the research is right there in front of you. Or if we make a claim, a statement, then we're gonna follow-up with with the appropriate clips that validate what we just said. So because there's a lot of stuff that the the general public isn't aware of. There's a lot of people out there that that really don't even know, a lot of Democrats out there that don't really know that their party, the Democratic Party, is trying to abolish the word mother. When you ask them sometimes, they go, no.
• 15:39
  What are you talking about? Well, have you seen this? Look at here there they are in congress actually striking the word down and changing it to birthing person. What? Like, they they they somehow, they're just insulated from from from that because they watch the wrong media.
• 15:54
  It's not CNN and MSNBC that let their people know what that party's doing. Right? So we decide we have to validate whatever claim we make. So all that said, I will sometimes cut a timeline, open it up, and just put a little note in there, like, you know, find find the clip that will validate what was just said. And then we go searching all over YouTube and different different places, and we find the clip.
• 16:21
  Oh, that's it. And then I I I download the clip, and I mark it in and out, and I move it down to the timeline, and it's frame accurate for that arbitrary opening that I created. It fits right in there frame accurate. It happens multiple times a day. And the odds of that, you'd only know if you're an editor.
• 16:38
  The odds of that are are it's like winning the lottery four times a day. You know? And so when I when that happens, I always show my team. I go, there we go again. And they go, no.
• 16:47
  Come on. Give me a break. And I said, seriously, come look. Check it out. I'm like, that's impossible.
• 16:52
  That is literally just impossible. Statistically impossible. And it's little hints like that, little crumbs in the path like that that had me just realize, you know, we're just we're just, we're being used, and it's and it's a it's an honor, and, something definitely is is guiding us. And it's also why despite the fact that I know what I'm doing is is dangerous, and I'm an enemy of the state in many ways, I also feel very protected. It's really it's really kind of ineffable.
• 17:19
  I don't know how to explain.
• 17:21
  Seth Holehouse: So folks, thank goodness inflation is going down. Thank you, Biden. But wait, if inflation is going down, then why are food prices still going up, energy prices still going up, and gas prices still going up? Because they're lying to us. Imagine that.
• 17:39
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• 18:17
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• 19:23
  Kirk Kelly's team will answer all of your questions and take care of you every step of the way. Again, that's (720) 605-3900 or goldwithseth.com. You know, it's interesting because, you know, my wife and I, our first video is the one that really launched our career. It was the plot to seal America, the one that President Trump ended up sharing and it was we, I think it was the only the second video I'd ever made. The first video I made was I edited a music
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: It was great.
• 19:54
  Seth Holehouse: Thank you. I edited a music video for my wife, which actually I sent you recently. That was my first video. That was the first time I ever used Premiere Pro, right, for video editing. And when we were editing, or when we, you know, we created that, that little mini documentary in about three weeks.
• 20:11
  And the process was so similar to what you talked about because, you know, we would have these moments where we'd find the perfect clip of b roll, we would drop in a, you know, some stock music, and say it was like the CCP clapping, it would line up perfectly on the beat of the music from the very Or we'd find that something else, or we'd be stuck on something and my wife would get in the shower, she'd come out and she's like, Seth, get a notepad. And we'd sit down and she's and she would just say, These words came to me just now. And she would walk through the next stage of the script that we didn't understand before, and it would just click and we and it happened. I mean, let's say if that happened one time during the entire editing, you'd say, okay, that was a coincidence.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: But we
• 20:57
  Seth Holehouse: were similar to you. It was three, four or five times a day. We were having these experiences and in that I drew the same conclusions that that you drew that there's something bigger than than there's something bigger than us. That's that's working. And I feel like that, you know, in this battle of good and evil, it's like, well, I'm just a guy that's got, you know, got put on the front line in this in this part of the fight, and I've got a general and I'm just just fighting.
• 21:24
  Right?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: That's this is a this is a critical conversation right now that we could just stop here, and it could be a little trivia anecdote of how things lined up for your edit and my edit, but there's something much larger that we're actually talking about. And this thing that we're talking about is literally the thing that can save humanity. And that is we have been led away from understanding this instrument that we call our body. We don't understand that we live in a electromagnetic universe that is constantly, sending frequencies of information, intelligence out at all times. We we we've we've lost touch with that.
• 22:14
  You know, there's still some cultures, indigenous cultures who still listen to, the nature around them and it it informs them. There's this thing called our intuition that we have been lured away from to not listen to so that our head is filled with data from others, other opinions, other beliefs. And I truly believe that our natural sense is what we're returning to, our to our nature. And that nature is the returning to right now people are losing trust in all the voices that are out there, and that's actually a really good thing. Because while it's while it's awesome to share information the way that we're sharing it now and to remind people who and what they are by by our conversation.
• 23:06
  No one should be following me or you or anyone else. It we we're here to help each other, but this whole idea believe me, our our social media networks, it there it's they spent a lot of money and a lot of time to develop what is now the like button and the follow button. And those are that's psych part of the psychological manipulation to have us become addicted to being liked. We're being liked now as a currency, so saying anything that might get you some unlikes is now you don't wanna do that, so we credit credit a sense of self censoring because you don't wanna say anything that your base will now not like instead of just being honest and bold. And then now it's all about how many followers do you have or who are you following.
• 23:52
  All of that is is a real clear indication of what's really going on here, and that is we've lost touch with our ability, and some will call it prayer, and I'm open to whatever you wanna call it. I I don't get hung up in the names, but that ability to listen. I don't mean to listen to other people, but to listen to the the the broadcast. The the the I've come to realize that the human body is a receiver and a transmitter. We receive and broadcast information at all times.
• 24:24
  And so all the nature around us is what are they how do how do the trees know what to do every season? And how do the insects know? They they all work together. There's this this symbiotic relationship that all of nature just responds to, but they don't have three channels of of mainstream media network that they go and get their information from. They don't have a library where they go and read the books.
• 24:49
  What do we do? It's instinctual. How does a baby deer pop out of the womb, stand up, and walk away? It's instinctual. They don't have to learn how to walk.
• 24:57
  It's within them. And so that when I got that a few years ago, it changed my life, particularly as a father, because I was trying to emulate other men, and I was reading the books on how to be a conscious dad and how to be a good dad, and and I just realized, look, this is my son my first son was about four years old when I just said, I'm I'm negating what I was born with. Maybe I should just start listening to my own inner guidance, my own listening to God of what to do here instead of what is acceptable, socially acceptable in in the area in which I live. Let me just do what's right for my family. And that's when my sons and I got we just continue to get closer.
• 25:40
  And the older they get, it's it's remarkable. But this thing that we sometimes I believe it's why there's so much push through technology to keep us distracted. You know, in our in our limited free time, what are we doing? You know, we're I gotta have a moment here. I'm on a stoplight.
• 25:58
  Let me let me scroll through and boom boom. We're like, I watch people, myself included, my wife included, of just every free moment is is now invested in the these digital screens. And when we should maybe just sit and do nothing, just sit and be, we become human doings instead of human being. Right? So it's just beingness, like being with each other, being present with each other.
• 26:24
  And in that in that stillness, which is why part of the message within the great awakening is we have to return to nature and spend more time in nature to at least counterbalance all the time we spend in the digital jungle. But what happens when we're in nature, is when when all that technology is is more distant, and we're starting to remember again what the rustling of the leaves sound like and the stream and the birds, and and we start to listen to the subtle things of life, then that guidance, we can hear that guidance again that is normally just drowned out by our noisy kinetic world. And so this is a I'm I'm glad we started here as a jump point because if we all listen to that, we would find ourselves in a place of greater unity, and and and we would agree organically. We wouldn't agree because we're we we're part of the same team, and we're the same color, and we're from the same territory, and the same political party or the same religion. It's it's not that.
• 27:31
  It's it's we're we're from the same nature. We're human. And there's something really it's it makes it so much easier to relate when we strip all that other stuff away and just meet at that place of being human together. And so for me, I feel like what you just triggered here on this conversation is is one of, if not the most important goal for us to aim towards, is returning to our ability to receive this infinite intelligence, to receive the guidance of God, whatever you choose to call it, so that that is what guides the the rudder of our ship. Because when we're listening to all the salesmen out there who see us as consumers, all we're gonna gonna ultimately do is end up consuming.
• 28:25
  And we've done a really great job at consuming, consuming everything, consuming products, consuming our relationships, consuming love, consuming our planet. And it's time that we reverse that and start to see ourselves as what we are, which is we we are part of creation, and and so we're creators. And that action allows us to give instead of just taking all the time. So I'm I'm glad you started here because that's these are the subjects that interest me the most that I've been, wanting to spend more time on.
• 28:57
  Seth Holehouse: It's it's just so interesting, the the parallels to this. There's probably a lot we can talk about kind of offline because my wife and I were actually in the process in the early stages of writing a book, like exactly about this exact thing. And because we've gone through this process of, you know, COVID hitting and we understood a lot about the push to globalism and transhumanism. And so, know, from very early on, we saw COVID as a plandemic and not as some accidental virus that the government's gonna protect us from, right? And so we went through these phases of, you
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: know, kind
• 29:37
  Seth Holehouse: of dealing with that and saying, okay, look, there's gonna be the vaccine passports coming. This is all part of this, you know, this plan. This is all, you know, Rockefeller lockstep, you know, we kind of saw the writing on the wall. And then we went through this stage of prepping, and it was really this stage of self preservation, this feeling of they're collapsing our food supply, they're doing all this, so we have to really kind of turn inward and so we focused on, we moved out to the country, we really focused on prepping and prepping, but it was very fear based and it seemed like that was the solution. It's like, okay, well, here's how you counteract this push for globalism in a great reset in one word order is you you get really prepared so you can withstand the storm.
• 30:20
  And then that way you can kind of get to the other side of it. But something about it seemed really off. And the further down that path we went, the more fearful we became and just we weren't living in the right way at all. And then we started doing a lot more gardening and we're, you know, growing and working with the soil, planting seeds, and something just really clicked and shifted. And it was we were looking at it all wrong.
• 30:47
  And it was this feeling of like, okay, when you piece all together, fundamentally, they're pushing us towards a transhumanist future. Like what's that mean? It's well, they're taking us away from being human because the further they can take us from being human, the more they can control us because they can't control us inherently with the body that we've been given and the soul that we've been given. And so they have to take us away from that. And so we then kind of came to this conclusion that the way, the ultimate way to fight back against the Great Reset, to fight is actually to just return to being human, to become human again.
• 31:25
  Like that was the solution, right? And so then we changed our life and we structured our life around that. It's just being human and getting back to that and removing those things. And it's it's interesting because it went from being a fear based survival mechanism to this magnificent path of returning and returning to something in a way of life that we haven't experienced in this generation or even in some of the previous generations. But it's been this beautiful process of going back to that.
• 31:54
  And as I hear you you talking, I just feel like it's it's this mirror of this journey that that that we've also gone through.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Well, you just beautifully articulated the end of the Great Awakening. You know, it's we that's what my voiceover says at the end is we have a choice between dehumanization and rehumanization. And to dehumanization allows us we don't have to do anything, which is except for to allow that process to continue because that's what's happening right now. And rehumanization remind requires us to remember. And I'll tell you where that came from is I for a number of years, I was very intrigued by undeveloped indigenous cultures.
• 32:39
  I was aware that we were getting so off course. I love innovation and technology. I do. But I also understand that like everything else, we we misuse everything. It's really our responsibility.
• 32:55
  We we misuse sex. We misuse our food. We misuse our language, our voices, all of it. And and so it's it's I was interested to, like, to go experience cultures who who haven't been misled by the television, who don't follow the trends of modern day civilization. And so I spent a number of years, twelve years or so, traveling around and and spending time in jungles or on mountain tops with, tribes, and and some of them that take, you know, two days in horseback just to reach in, at the top of the Andes or or Ecuadorian jungle, whatever it might be, and meeting with these tribes.
• 33:40
  And and I learned a lot from them, and I didn't. I'll explain what that what I mean by that. And that is, a lot of these cultures have been so exploited by Western photographers and people who've just come into their place and took pictures of them and went and sold them to National Geographic and made a lot of money and did not nothing for their cultures or, know, just exploited them in some way. And so their guard is up, and they wanna know who you are and why you're there. And so they're they spend a lot of time reading you, and you have to before I've been allowed to meet with some of the more private cultures, I've had to go through initiations with them.
• 34:26
  And they're really trying to get familiar with not just your words and your performance, but but your spirit. Who are you? And and and sometimes that requires sitting in sweat lodge or, as I've said, you know, I'm very allergic to smoke, but I've had to sit and smoke pipes with them just to just to commune to the point to where they can decide whether or not they're gonna allow me beyond the boundary to film things that normally they wouldn't allow. And the few times that they've asked me why I'm there, and I've said to them, I'm just here to learn, They've corrected me to say, you people are addicted to learning. And you know so.
• 35:11
  Your heads are just filled with information, just filled with information. What you need to do is unlearn and remember who and what you are. Just remember because you knew what you're trying to achieve right now. You already knew this as a child. You just you're just getting further and further away from it.
• 35:29
  And so you need to go back into the simple remembering of of your nature. And and so that difference from learning and remembering really changed my life to to realize that I I trust me. I love to learn. I'm a learnaholic in many ways, but I also understand when I'm, just learning a new language or a new craft or a new software or whatever. And when there's time to just strip away all the data and just be still and listen and remember, like, I knew this.
• 36:05
  Yeah. You're right. I knew this. I knew that we were part of each other when we were a child. I knew when I was a child that we all came here to do something extraordinary.
• 36:15
  And everything was possible, and all people were equal. And and I knew as a baby that it didn't matter the color of someone's skin that I looked at. I I didn't see that. I just saw another fragment of myself, a beautiful shiny fragment of myself. And that's why when I was an infant, I kicked my feet and smiled and got giddy when I made eye contact with one of those one of those big people.
• 36:37
  You know? And it's like we all had that experience. And then we're steered away from our innocence. We're steered away from everything that connects us to that that that real it's it's so subtle that, again, we have to we have to be sensitive in our search for it. It's not a it's not a it's not a hunter gatherer conquest.
• 37:03
  It's a it's a passive kind of a meek exploration of the subtle. And so all that said, I where was I going before? I just lost my train of thought. I I think it
• 37:20
  Seth Holehouse: just this the the the process you're going remembering in the tribes and
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: going back to being a child. Thank you. Yeah. So just, you know, working with these tribes and and and remembering is just that in itself changed my life too. Because because I look at it now, and that's why we put it in the film, you know, that if we we had there's always this impression that we have there's a lot of work to do.
• 37:46
  There's a lot of work to do. Like, even in the in the in the game of transformation that people are trying to you know, there's a lot of work to do, and and and there really isn't. It it's it's the illusion is that there's a lot of work to do, and it's really not. It's just strip away all that complication. I teach my boys all the time, just, you know, like, be entrepreneurs and and have a really big goal, but at the same time, be simple men.
• 38:10
  Be simple men. Don't be complicated. Don't complicate life any more than you have to, because it's all right there. You know, we've complicated things. This incredible planet and this incredible creator of all things has provided every food and every medicine we'll ever need, and it grows right from the soil.
• 38:33
  But somehow we've we need all these other medicines and all these other things. And if we returned to what was actually provided by God, provided by nature, we'd be a lot healthier than we are right now. It's that we keep adding on to all of these things. And, you know, in my lifetime, I've watched so many commercials reporting the new time saving invention, or the microwave, or whatever it is, and I have not seen one of these things save any time. All I know is people are wrestling with time right now.
• 39:06
  Nobody has time anymore. And the the simple things of sitting down and having a meal with your children and turning everything off, every electronic off, except for the maybe the lighting overhead and and having good old fashioned conversations. You know, I I have every single day, I have at least one amazingly deep conversation with at least one of my boys. You know? I had one last night with my youngest child who's nine years old and, you know, and I'm laying on the bed, he comes up, he props himself, sits on my stomach, and he has some deep questions for me.
• 39:43
  You know? And it's and it's it's wonderful because they they know they're safe. They know they can come to me. They know I'm gonna give them the honest answer. And those are the richest moments in life.
• 39:53
  Like, what else are we striving for? You know, because how many examples do we need to see of the person with the nine cars and nine houses and and millions of dollars and they're miserable? You know, there's nothing wrong with having material items. Nothing wrong with it. But if you think that that's going to bring your happiness or your status or your fame or any of that stuff, you will be disappointed.
• 40:16
  And so what really matters? And that's that's part of the returning that you that you just eloquently spoke about. That's part of the returning is what really matters. What are the simple things that at the on our deathbed, like, listen to all the reports from the hospice nurses. Listen to what they speak about when they talk about end of life stories.
• 40:38
  And, you know, that I don't I've listened to a lot of them. I'm fascinated by these stories. Because when you have someone on their deathbed, when they realize they're about to cross over, and they start to talk about their life and the legacy of their life, I've never heard one story where someone says, should have had more stuff. I should have gotten a better house. What do they all say?
• 41:04
  They all say, I wish I had had spent more time with my children. I wish I had been a better husband or wife. I wish I would have spent more time in nature. I wish I would have climbed that mountain I wanted to climb. I wish I would have been kinder to people.
• 41:18
  Like, these are the things they say on their deathbed, and we need to listen to that. Because those are those are the people who have come out of the material world or they're exiting the material world to under to to fully remember who and what they are and what truly matters. And if we if we just spent more of our more time thinking about those questions and living out those the answers to those questions, then these problems that we're all wrestling with would dissolve. And these people that are creating these problems would have no power.
• 41:53
  Seth Holehouse: It's it's so true. And I remember there was a study which I believe it was one of the longest human studies ever done before. And they followed all these different subjects from almost from birth until death. And they just they documented their lives. And one of the key factors they're looking at was like, what brings happiness to a person?
• 42:16
  What makes someone happy? And as they they track these lives across time, some people became very wealthy, some were very poor, they had all kinds of different life paths as you'd expect. But the one, it was interesting because as they got closer to their death, you know, their deathbeds, as they're continuing these interviews and discussions with them to understand, you know, what's bringing them happiness and joy, they they ended on one thing. And it was that a person's happiness in life, this almost the sole determination of that was the quality of their relationships in their lives. How close they were to their children, how close they were to their spouse, how close they were to their parents, their friends, their community.
• 42:56
  That was it didn't matter how rich or poor, that was like the single thing that emerged as the most important factor for determining their happiness. And so it makes sense that an enemy that wants to destroy us and destroy our souls and destroy God's creation, that what they would try to do would be to break those chains, to make us miserable, to make us unhappy. Because then if we're unhappy, they can give us the solution. They're gonna seek, oh, this is gonna make you happy, whether it's a new drug, a new video game, a new product. That's gonna, you know, social, you know, you know, virtue signaling, so sort of social validation.
• 43:36
  So if they can break that, I think that's why if you look at so much of what was behind the the pandemic and what, you know, what Matias Desmond is talking about, the isolation, putting us into isolation, tearing families apart. I mean, I had family that at the beginning of the pandemic stopped talking to me for six, eight months, wouldn't even talk to me because of our differences and our viewpoints, whether it was on the on COVID or on politics at that time. So they've managed to divide people. And so if you look at that and say, okay, that's one of their number one techniques. Well, the solution's right there.
• 44:11
  What's the opposite of that? It's it's everyone coming back together.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: You've nailed it. You've completely nailed it. It's so nice to to hear that from you because that that's the simple truth. And that's, again, why we ended the great awakening with the talk little talk about symbiosis. The fact that if you understand the the nature and practice of symbiosis that it's that everything everything is in relationship.
• 44:39
  And the reason that nature works while humans are are struggling, You know, we we see ourselves superior to nature, because it, you know, it doesn't drive. It doesn't wear clothes, and it doesn't have all these modern characteristics. But, it's so we need to we need to, learn from it because it's it's doing what you just said, as I mentioned earlier. You know, all all the elements and all of life works in concert. And we're you know, biomimicry is a very, interesting subject to me.
• 45:16
  Because if you understand that, you know, we're we can learn from that that process of nature, biomimicry, we can mimic the nature around us to understand, like, this is this is how we're supposed to function. And and you're you're dead on. It's at the end of the day, it's relationships. It's solid, wonderful relationships. You know?
• 45:38
  And that is the reason that they wanted to separate us. That is the reason that they continue to slice and dice us into smaller and smaller boxes. It's a really great example ridiculous acronym that is now LGBTQIA, what plus what I don't even know how long it is today. That's a really perfect acronym. Here's a here's a supposedly marginalized group that our government is pretending to care about.
• 46:10
  And but what's really going on is is that's just a new label to identify people into, and they'll do it with race, with religion, with sexuality, with ideology, with whatever it takes to get people to be tribal, to to identify the moment you identify with a clique or a collective, as we say in the movie, then you're at odds with the other cliques and collectives. And that's what they want. This is the art of war. This is Sun Tzu's art of war. If you haven't read that book to the listeners, at least read the highlights and the quotes that are online.
• 46:53
  Check out the quotes, and you'll see that they all have a a common theme through them. And that common theme is defeat the enemy without fighting, turn the enemy against itself, and watch the enemy destroy itself. And this is what Chinese military follows, the art of war, Sun Tzu. That's the practice. So we have been at a at war, psychological war, for decades, And it and it's doing great damage to our people such that we're now you know, it's amazing to me how racism is a big thing again.
• 47:28
  I watched it in my lifetime start to just fade out and die away. And shamefully, the first president I voted for, which was Obama, and I thought he was going to bring hope and change, which was his promise. But if you if you look at because we have the Internet and we can track, all the behavior and search results for the past many decades, if you look at words and phrases around the Obama era, you'll see that, know, for instance, it's if you you can search names, say, you know, right now, no one's naming their child Karen for good reason. Right? So you see the decline of Karen.
• 48:10
  And you you you see when words and phrases and names are are are at their height. And for some reason, when they years ago, I I I jumped on the name Betty, and I'm like, well, I'm gonna check and look at the the trajectory of the name Betty. No one they no one's naming their kid Betty anymore. Then a celebrity comes out named Betty, people start naming their child Betty again. And around the Obama era is when all these words started to spike.
• 48:38
  White supremacy and oppression and racist and racism and black and white and African American. And to understand the damage that that man has done, and I think he's one of the most dangerous peep people we've ever had in the Oval Office because he's so damn good. I teared up when he was sworn in because I really thought America's about to get better. And what what he achieved was six new wars, bailing out Wall Street, and so many other really horrific choices that he made, and the amplification of the division of humanity. You know, that's what that that's really his legacy is is when you understand that every every midterm and every time he was stumping for other politicians or himself or his second term or whatever is when these words and phrases skyrocketed.
• 49:31
  He used that, to win over the people, all the while being such an incredible speaker and charismatic and appear apparently a good family man. So it's hard for people to see past that. It was it's really hard. That's why identity politics is so dangerous. And we have to look past the charisma of of someone and the performance.
• 49:57
  I just call it a performance because I come from Hollywood, and I can recognize a performance a mile away. There's a lot of people that are just damn good performers, but who they are offstage, you wouldn't wanna be near them. And that's I'm used to that with, you know, I did a I did a public roundtable yesterday with Robert Kennedy Junior, and he's a very dear friend of mine. We don't agree politically, and that that came up during the during the roundtable yesterday. But he's a wonderful human being.
• 50:27
  You know? And I couldn't I I can't vote in that direction because the party he's running for is the party I walked away from. And I think that it just doesn't make sense to to prop up a party that has just committed the one of the greatest crimes against or the greatest crime against humanity that's ever been perpetrated. I just can't bring myself to be hypocritical in that sense because there's no reforming that party. And but at the same time, you know, just recognizing that we can disagree and and he can still be a good person and have ideas that I I I don't agree with.
• 51:00
  And that's, you know, coming back to that, coming back to I will always love him as a friend. I will always deeply respect him for the he's probably saved more lives of children than anyone alive right now. You know, truly has. He's done some amazing stuff as an environmental lawyer. Also, he's really protected our natural resources.
• 51:20
  He's a hero, and I disagree with his politics. And and and that's okay. We and can we return to that with our family members? Because, you know, it's unfortunate, but your story is is almost everyone's story. Almost everyone was divided in some degree over COVID.
• 51:40
  And that is the goal. The goal is see yourself as different, see your family members as different, and disagree with them. Disagree with them, but not in a healthy way. Disagree with them to the point of pushing against them and away from them. And that is what they want.
• 51:57
  And it's because, you know, twenty six hundred years ago, the words united we stand, divided we fall were first recorded. And that's probably the most powerful sentence ever spoken. United we stand, divided we fall. And they survived the test of time twenty six hundred years, those words. Because it's a reminder that that is what we need more than anything right now is is our relationships, just like you said so beautifully, is to come back and to say, let bygones be got bygones.
• 52:25
  Let us disagree because that's actually what makes life interesting, is when we don't always agree. I I find my friend Robert Kennedy Junior very interesting. I find him very interesting that he can be so awake and aware of COVID and vaccines and not understand that the climate narrative is being manipulated and exaggerated in the in the exact same way. You know, he's oblivious to that in my opinion, and I love him, and I respect him. And so I find it interesting to to explore how and and his IQ.
• 53:03
  I would I'll never reach that man's IQ. He's so brilliant. He truly is. Read his writings. But at the same time, what is that what is that thing that that keeps him stuck and and not not seeing what a lot of us see right now?
• 53:20
  That is not not a denial of climate change. Not a denial at all. But an understanding that it's been grossly exaggerated by politicians and that it's not the existential threat that they're saying that it is. And at the moment we call it pollution, we have all the solutions right at our hands. And so that's why they call it climate change.
• 53:40
  Because the moment we said, we're polluting this planet, no doubt. Our air, our water, our soil, our food, everything we're polluting. And guess what? We have the machinery, the technology to clean up the plastics of our oceans. All the money we just sent to Ukraine could afford all of it.
• 53:59
  Too easy of a solution. They're not in the game of solutions. They're in the game of perpetuating problems, politicians that is, and our government. And so that's what people are waking up to right now is understanding. They're not they're not really here to fix things.
• 54:14
  They're here to prolong these things because that's how they gain our support. That's how they create the illusion that we need them. We don't need them. Once we step up to realize we're here to lead ourselves, and once we let go of the labels that we have allowed them to place upon us, That we're just these lowly consumers. That humanity is a failed experiment.
• 54:35
  That we are a cancer on the planet. All this BS. And to realize, and to reawaken to the honor and gift of life itself and our mission for being here. What is our what is your mission for being here? What's your purpose for being here?
• 54:53
  Very few people know even ask themselves that question anymore. But that lack of meaning, that lack of understanding what we truly came for is what's at the root of of all of our misery. It's why we end up doing a job that we hate and paying for a bunch of crap that we know we don't need in debt with the inability to get out of debt unless we just completely fold into bankruptcy and ruin our credit score and all the stuff that we're we've been taught to be so fearful of doing as if that's what really matters in life. And so it's just coming back to remembering, like, no. Wait a minute.
• 55:30
  I got this. Like, I came here to do something. What what was that? What was that intention I had? And in in your own way, whether it's tiny, in your opinion, or huge, do it.
• 55:42
  Start this is the moment when it's like the human organism is waking up with fresh soil, plant your new seeds, you know, and watch it bloom because this is when people are waking up. The the most incredible people that I'm working with right now are mothers, fathers, whose child was injured by a vaccine. And they were just baking cakes six months ago, and now they're on the front line leading marches and and, you know, testifying in congress and forming organizations. It's incredibly inspiring to see this happen. It's just unfortunate that it takes something of this magnitude of horror to wake us up.
• 56:29
  But whatever it takes, let's keep waking up and and keep remembering, you know, what we came here for.
• 56:38
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. And that's, I think the, again, the solution, the most important thing is just getting back to that. And it's interesting, reflecting back on my life, I'm seeing a lot of parallels. So, I lost my brother, he was 33, and I was 30 years old. And he had cancer, but I would say it was in a larger part because of the medical system.
• 57:00
  Because they made a very, very grave mistake when they first, when he first went into his care that led to him basically being paralyzed and you know having massive, you know, then telling us he's never gonna wake up. And so, you know, it was a very difficult process and that was what really kind of changed a lot of my opinions about the medical system for one. But I remember in terms of just this purpose, you know, for me somehow back in liberal art school in the early two thousands, instead of getting, you know, going along with the indoctrination they were already pushing at that time, I just developed this this innate something emerged in me, and it became my life's mission to fight against communism. Even though a lot of my peers were probably becoming more communist, that's just what kind of emerged for me. So I spent the majority of my How
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: long ago was that?
• 57:51
  Seth Holehouse: That was probably around 02/2006 when that when that happened with me. And it's funny, my wife similarly, she, and I think it was in 02/2001, you know, she's from Australia, she was arrested in Tiananmen Square and was put into a Chinese prison for, actually unfurling a banner about human rights in China, in Tiananmen Square, because she also had that same, you know, mission. And so then it's kind of interesting fast forwarding that, you know, to where we are now, but I think that's, that's a, the key is they, the more they can make us forget who we are, then the easier we are to lead astray. But if we go back to that, it's, it's right there. But I wanted to I wanted to touch on something that you mentioned in talking about Sun Tzu and the art of war and the Chinese military.
• 58:41
  And so that was something that I was really surprised me in in Plandemic three, the great awakening was I, you know, because I think I talked to you earlier on when you're working on a few different iterations of the final, you know, the kind of the third part of the series. And it was focused on children and then focused on the vaccines. And so I wasn't sure what to expect coming into it. But then when I watched it, it was like, I I it was just it was incredible that journey you went through because I feel like that for me as as a journalist and someone who's investigating, I feel like I'm a three year old child that keeps asking why. Why, why, why.
• 59:20
  It's like, okay, well, the government did this, why? Well, because they're being controlled by this, why? Who's controlling that person? And I want to keep fighting, I want to keep going back to its root. And almost everything that I've discovered, it goes back to this root of communism.
• 59:36
  And so I just wanted to hear a little bit about your journey in making you know, Plandemic Three of what the process was in going back to that because I was so surprised and amazed a lot of that documentary was just going back to history and teaching us about the origins of communism and going back into how the, you know, communists, basically how free countries and free societies and free people have fallen to the control of communist dictatorships. So so walk us through a little bit of that process for you.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Well, it it began for me. It wasn't you were ten years ahead of me because I didn't understand what was going on until 2,016. I was on the road with Bernie Sanders documenting his run for president as a filmmaker, and I traveled with him from from Los Angeles to Philadelphia and every step along the way. And in in doing so, I I was asking questions because I was developing media form, which is one of the other reasons why I'm doing what I'm doing. You asked that at the beginning of the show.
• 1:00:51
  I also feel a moral obligation to undo some of the damage that I feel that I I I was part of. I helped amplify that voice, and and as a result, there's a lot of college kids who think socialism is the answer and communism is the answer. And that's largely because of, you know, Bernie Sanders. And I was there making media to to, amplify his voice, so I feel that there's a I have an artistic and and moral obligation to, to undo some of the damage that I was part of. And so I was full fledged Bernie bro.
• 1:01:25
  I was all in, and I I now understand that the way that that got me was wasn't because I understood socialism. It wasn't because I was a fan of that. It was his rhetoric of of helping the people on the bottom and often talking about single mothers and really reflecting on my experience being raised with a single mom on welfare, and she had four kids on her own. And just really wishing that we had someone like him when I was growing up. I I remember wishing that wishing that there was someone that was speaking this way and that could understand our struggle and what we were going through.
• 1:02:02
  And and, and so I I bought into that. And I I do believe that Bernie Bernie cares about those things. I don't think he's a a wicked evil man. I just think that his his politics, he's been led into believing something that I don't think that, at the end of the day, if you were able to enact all of his policies, I think he'd look back in ten, twenty years and realize he's made a horrible mistake. I I I I believe that's that would be the outcome.
• 1:02:30
  So, anyway, I'm on the road with Bernie Sanders, and I'm asking I'm asking questions. Logical, clear questions, questions that a lot of people were asking online. You know, what what is the difference between socialism and democratic socialism? And, ultimately, the the answer would come back as well. It's it's socialism, but this one's buying for the people.
• 1:02:48
  It's not run by the government, so so the people are in charge. And I thought, around this time, I had I had been to Burning Man a few times, and I thought, well, I I've seen that in action. I you know, burn Burning Man is all about bartering and exchanging. No one carries any money on them, and and it's kind of fun. But I thought, how does that work on a real scale?
• 1:03:08
  Because at Burning Man, you go up and you say, you know, I I I would love to have some of your waffles. Here's a can of soup, you know, and I'll trade you. Okay. Cool. And so that works on that kind of a scale and for a perhaps a limited amount of time until you start to wonder where are the resources coming from when you run out because everyone's there with their finite amount of resources, easy to share and spread around.
• 1:03:32
  But it would get real if they wanted to extend that into a multiyear project, and it would become an issue of who's growing, who's earning, who's it would all come back to pretty much the system we have now. But, anyway, because I had experienced something similar, I thought, I've seen this in action, but how does this happen on a on a on a national scale? I'm curious about that. So then I would ask the people, well, if it's not at the hands of the government, who who controls this? Who is the one that collects?
• 1:04:04
  Because I would say, how do you redistribute the wealth? There's a lot of rich people that aren't paying their taxes, and so we need to bring that down to the bottom know, the people that are struggling at the bottom. Okay. I understand that. Who's gonna collect those extra taxes?
• 1:04:19
  And they would ultimately have to admit, well, the government. Why? I thought you said that this was the democratic socialism meant not at the hands of the government. And they you could just see I could see that they hadn't thought about that. So so are you going to collect the taxes?
• 1:04:37
  Are you gonna create a new government? Is that what you're saying? No. No. No.
• 1:04:40
  Okay. So you're going to have the federal government collect more taxes. Do you trust the federal government? No. Do you like the way they spend our tax money now?
• 1:04:51
  No. So you wanna give them more money? I don't under I don't I'm not catching this. Like, it was literally like and then there's just be these word salads of people trying to ex you know, explain this to me. So I reached a point where I was becoming so frustrated, and the reason is I edit what I shoot.
• 1:05:10
  And I've learned through the years, I've been doing this for so long, but I've learned I know when I have a totality of an answer, and it's real frustrating when you get back to the edit bay, and you have your clear question, and then you don't have an answer. So then you kind of feel like, why would I even edit this together because they didn't answer the question? And this is gonna leave people feeling incomplete. And so I have this feeling inside where I don't feel fulfilled or satisfied until I have, like, that I got it. Okay.
• 1:05:36
  Now we can move on. And I wasn't I wasn't getting that feeling from anyone. I just had this like, let me rephrase the question. I rephrase it eight different ways. Like, what?
• 1:05:45
  They're either evading my questions or they just can't answer. Like, what's happening here? These people don't really know what they're fighting for. And then I said, this feels like they're hypnotized. There's really something going on here because they're smart, educated, logical, good people.
• 1:06:03
  And then I went, are they hypnotized? I started to look at that. Feels like that. And then I realized, well, hold on. I'm with them.
• 1:06:12
  I'm part of them. Am I hypnotized? And so at the moment I asked that question, like I say in the movie, it was like a faith healer because I could there were things that were apparently right in front of me that I couldn't see until I asked that question, and then suddenly I started realizing that you're wearing a Mao Zedong shirt, aren't you? Is that, yeah, interesting. Why?
• 1:06:34
  A linen shirt or a sickle and hammer stickle sticker on your laptop or your water bottle? Or what's going on here, guys? Like, what is this about? And then I started to ask those questions. Like, are are you a fan of communist?
• 1:06:47
  Yeah. Really? Like like communism? Communism? Yes.
• 1:06:53
  That's why we're here on the road with Bernie. What do you mean by that? Well, socialism, as Karl Marx said and everyone else said it, it's the stepping stone to communism. Like, communism, that's a really deadly structure. Oh, no.
• 1:07:07
  But that's you're talking about that. You've been brainwashed. They they tell me, like, you've been indoctrinated to the all the you know, I said, well, can you give me an example of where it hasn't been horrific and deadly? Well, that is a different different communism that we're you know, but that's I said, where'd you learn this? And almost every time it was, well, you know, my I took a class in my university.
• 1:07:33
  I took my professor as a, you know, a scholar of Marxism, and I'm like, oh, boy. What is happening This poor young people to believe that this is the answer. And so that's when I realized, like, this this is I had friends who had warned me too, so it wasn't like I wasn't warned. I had friends who knew I was on the road with Bernie who were much smarter than I was who reached out to me to sit and said, bro, you don't know where this leads. And and, you know, I I really encourage you to read this book or that book or study this part of history.
• 1:08:06
  And I was stubborn and arrogant because I was like, it's I was too wrapped up in the in the collectivism myself. But but when I asked that question, I suddenly could started to see the reality around me, and I realized I didn't know that this was still alive. This is crazy. This is still alive and that there's so much passion around it with these young people. They they started learning these chapters of communism in every city.
• 1:08:31
  Really? There's communist meetings happening today? Thought that stuff was gone. Dead. And so that's when I jumped off the tour after right after Hillary literally, right after Hillary Bernie endorsed Hillary, which I was told, your boy is gonna go to the, the big event, and he's going to cash it all in for Hillary.
• 1:08:55
  I said, there's no way. Do you hear what he says about her on the campaign trail? Like, she's she's his opponent. She's the last person that he this man would adore. She she's the enemy to him.
• 1:09:07
  She's the elite, corporate, you know, political that he's fighting. There's no and then he did it. And all of us were like, what is happening here? What is we just got we just got blindsided. And I was told this isn't what was going to happen.
• 1:09:29
  I need to I need to do better research. I need to I need to I need to figure out what's going on here because this this this is the second time I've been fooled. Obama was number one, and then now Bernie, I'm like, what? It's I'm a I'm a street smart guy. And to be full to that degree, just kind of it was it was very humbling.
• 1:09:51
  And so I literally called my wife in that moment, and I said, me a red eye right now. Because what happened? I go, coming home right now. I'm I'm so pissed off. Can't believe what just happened.
• 1:10:04
  She's like, no. I saw it on TV. And I said, it's what they told me was gonna happen, and it happened. I was wrong. Totally wrong.
• 1:10:10
  Like, what is happening in this country? I jumped on a flight right there and came home and and started to do what I should have done in the beginning and do my homework and dig deep and look past. Because you don't find things on Google searches anymore. You and if you do, it's it's eight, ten, 20 pages deep. You have to go all past.
• 1:10:32
  They push everything they want you to see up front. So I had to go past that, and I stumbled upon the work of G. Edward Griffin. And I watched he's got a few films online, black and white, beautiful films shot in the sixties of him warning the world of what was coming to America. And I watched it.
• 1:10:49
  The first film I watched was called More Deadly Than War, because he was saying it's not the war that you're expecting. And that's why it's more deadly is because it's it's it's invisible. It's happening to you right now. And, and I watched this ninety minute lecture that he filmed in the living room of his home, and he had about 20 guests present listening to him. And it's not a lecture from opinion.
• 1:11:13
  It's a lecture. He's simply reading from their manifestos and and from their books and from defectors, who are also, had had defected to warn the world of what was coming. And as he's as I'm watching this film, I was just I was speechless. Because everything that he predicted in the '6 in the sixties, I could see it as a filmmaker. I thought, we need to do a split screen comparison.
• 1:11:38
  Because everything he's saying they're gonna do, defund the police, create autonomous zones, create anti fascist groups, amplify words like racist and white supremacist and neo Nazi, and and, like, these are all the things we must do. Then we're going to create a a race war and and and and trick the white people into think they're supporting the black people and use the black people as cannon fodder, and we'll burn down the cities, and then we're gonna go after the children and like, what? Like, this was all planned. All of this was planned, and it's playing out right in front of us, and almost no one knows what's happening. And so that's when I realized that that that had to be the content of Plandemic three, The Great Awakening, is for people to understand that through the hiding of our true history, we have been led into collective blindness.
• 1:12:34
  And and hopefully, that movie, which I'm grateful for, I can say that it is achieving in the world. It's helping people see again, and I couldn't be more delighted by that.
• 1:12:43
  Seth Holehouse: And that's why I'd like to finish on that part. Because for a lot of the folks that are watching or living, you know, living through this, you know, pandemic, this pandemic, For them, they look around and maybe they've got one friend they can talk to about this stuff. They can't talk about it at work. They can't talk about it, you know, at the dinner table. They feel very alone.
• 1:13:05
  And if you were to tell them that there's this great awakening happening, you know, they might say, I don't see it. And whenever I turn the TV on, it just feels like it's getting worse and worse. And I think that that's part of the design is to make people feel despondent and helpless. But I know that you're someone that you've been literally documenting the great awakening. And so in what you're seeing around the world and what you're seeing in the awakening of people, is it something that gives you hope?
• 1:13:33
  Do you think that humanity will wake up in time, you know, for this? Or I guess, you know, where are you at with that?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Hopeless. That's where we all need to be is hopeless. I'll explain what I mean by that. Hope suggests that things might work out, and we have to move into a place of certainty. If we understood, truly understood as we talked about the beginning of this show, our capabilities with these instruments we call our bodies, we would understand that in many ways we do create our realities.
• 1:14:10
  There I used be part of the new age cult, and there are certain things that I I kept with me. It's not there's always bits and nuggets of golden truth within every every ideology, and I took those nuggets that are I I found to be accurate and helpful and valid. And that is, you know, we really do cocreate our reality through the choices that we make. And if we understood how much power we have to create it in any any direction we choose, we would take more time and care to consider what we choose. And so I I lost hope a long time ago.
• 1:14:59
  Thank god. Because I don't wanna be in a place of it might work out. I have children. It has to work out. You have a baby and a new one on on the way.
• 1:15:10
  It has to work out. I don't know about you, but I'm not willing to leave this planet knowing that my children are are in danger. And so that's the choice is it works out and we conquer this. I'm also certain about this, Seth, because I spent a long time studying the work of Joseph Campbell. Joseph Campbell is the author of The Hero's Journey.
• 1:15:39
  This is the man who has spent who spent his lifetime, he's now passed, studying mythologies, the stories that humans tell each other. Since the beginning of time, he's gone back to the very first trackable cave etchings or whatever to explore what what are the commonalities in the mythologies? What are the what are what's why is there a common theme through every story that we've ever told ourselves? It changes. The characters change.
• 1:16:12
  The scenarios change. All of that changes, but there's always a common thread through all of the stories that we've been telling ourselves forever. And it's a method of storytelling that was actually adapted by Hollywood, and it became known in Hollywood as what they call the three act structure. I used to be a screenwriter, so I had to study it for years. And every iconic movie, every Avengers movie that's out right now, and every iconic movie from Star Wars to Avatar to Citizen Kane.
• 1:16:48
  If you understand the hero's journey, you start to recognize it in movies. And so his work became paramount in in the world of storytelling. People study this incredible book out by author named Christopher Vogler, wrote a book called years ago, called The Writer's Journey based upon the hero's journey work, but from a writer's perspective. And it analyzes iconic classics like The Wizard of Oz. And and so the the story that is the most common told story is about an antihero, a reluctant hero.
• 1:17:34
  So you think of Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz. Right? She's just a young girl who gets swirled into this natural disaster and suddenly lands in this new world and has to follow a path and to meet all these different aspects of herself, courage and lack of heart. And she has the the dog which serves as the intuition that you and I spoke about in the beginning of this show. And the dog is the one that ultimately pulls back the curtain on the great voice of Oz to expose that that voice she's been listening to, that everyone's been listening to and guiding is just a frightened little man and a bunch of levers, and it's not the voice.
• 1:18:09
  And that's what we're waking up to right now is realize we've been listening to these frightened little men pulling levers, and it's not the voice. And then you understand the hero's journey that what happens is the hero goes out on this quest to try to, like Dorothy, to try to find the the actual heroes. That's often what it is as they go out. They say, you know, there's a meteor coming. Destroy the planet.
• 1:18:38
  I need to go find and go alert everyone and tell people, find whoever it is in NASA or scientists, whoever might in the military might be able to to deflect this thing in another direction such that it will save the planet. And they go off looking for the hero. And along the way, they meet, a bunch of people that challenge them, that try to thwart their journey on shape shifters and threshold guardians. And and that they're all test to to see how how dedicated is the hero to staying on their path on that yellow brick road to continue their journey. And then they meet a lot of mentors, and those mentors give them advice and training so that they can survive what they're about to step into.
• 1:19:24
  And a really incredible hero's journey movie is The Karate Kid. I I love the lessons in The Karate Kid, and I always have because when you understand that the the the karate kid is being bullied, and he wants to learn how to fight so he can defeat the bully. And he goes and he finds a sensei, the master, and he tells him, teach me how to fight. Says, okay. Here's a paintbrush.
• 1:19:48
  What? Go paint the fence. No. No. I came here to learn how to fight.
• 1:19:53
  Go paint the fence. Okay. I'm done now. I painted the fence. K.
• 1:19:58
  Go wax the car. Wax the what? I'm not I'm not your servant. I'm here. I wanna learn how to fight.
• 1:20:04
  Go wax the car. So he does it begrudgingly. Oh. Painted the fence. He's doing all this mad.
• 1:20:11
  Like, this guy's using me with this crazy old man. And it's not until he's in the moment faced with actual strikes, physical strikes coming his way that he realizes, pop. He's he built the muscle memory to defend himself through a mundane chore that seemed totally disconnected and unrelated to what he thought he was came to learn. And it's a very important life lesson for us because there's a lot of things that happen in our lives that we resist or that we don't want, like painting the fence or waxing the car. It's all preparation for what we're being charged and invited to partake in right now.
• 1:20:57
  And the hero's journey, ultimately, what is what does the hero learn in the end? Think about all the all the iconic movies and all the different ways that that this has been expressed. You are the one, the forces within. This is what the hero learns. And it's this everyday citizen that suddenly realizes that the reason that this thing fell into their world is because they needed that to step into truly who and what they were.
• 1:21:29
  And that is the stage of that we are in together as humanity right now. We have not reached I don't watch the Avengers movies anymore. My family always laughs because they love them. My wife and kids love them. And they're like, dad won't stay with us if we watch this movie.
• 1:21:44
  And I said, you're right. And the reason is it's it's it I just I'm bored with them because it's the same plot over and over and over. And they always laugh at me because I'll watch some of it. I watch the part where this it's about humans, and it becomes this fiery crescendo where dragons are flying, and I'm just bored with that stuff. I want real human stories.
• 1:22:03
  And they always go, here's the fiery crescendo. Dad's gonna leave. And and now you're right. Let me know when the movie's over, and I'm done. But it's that fiery crescendo that we're about to approach here on planet Earth.
• 1:22:19
  And so people need to understand that it it is going to reach that point. I don't know what that will look like, but, but the good news is is we know how we know how the story ends. And so step up, prepare for this fiery crescendo. And and as every story goes in, like I I illustrated in Plandemic two, I had a bunch of clips from movies of reminding people of that moment, that cliche moment of when the everyday hero is beat to the ground, and there's a moment where we are are suspended in disbelief of thinking, oh, this person we've invested all this time to to love, was he just or she just defeated? And they're on the ground, and the music swells or changes.
• 1:23:09
  It seems like it's over, and then the finger twitches or the eyes flutter open, and then they rise with that new determined strength that they didn't even know they had or they had forgotten they had. It's such a cliche moment. Everyone's smiling hearing that right now just like you are because we've all seen it over and over and over. Why have we seen it over and over and over? Because it's our story.
• 1:23:33
  And at this moment, when we feel that we are defeated is the moment that something will be activated within all of us and will rise just like the stories we keep telling us. It's just a blueprint for us to remember that this is how the story goes. That's why we're making these movies and retelling these stories over and over. Just a blueprint of what's coming. And so that's what's coming.
• 1:23:56
  Buckle up. Fiery crescendo on its way. Third act. And congratulations because at the end of the day, the hero wins. And so be that hero.
• 1:24:08
  Step up in your life in any way. Be that hero for your children. Be that hero for your neighbors. Be that hero for your country and for your world.
• 1:24:17
  Seth Holehouse: What an incredible message, to to relay and to end on. But before we end this, I want to pull up your website because I want to encourage folks, as I mentioned in the beginning, if you haven't watched The Great Awakening, Plandemic Three, go watch it. It's free. You can find it on Rumble. You can find it everywhere.
• 1:24:37
  You can find it on, you know, band. Video. You maybe not find it on Google or YouTube. Don't go look in there. But the easiest place is Plandemicseries.com or Plandemic3.com.
• 1:24:48
  Takes you there. You can watch it there. And because it's free, obviously, I would imagine it took a lot of time and money and blood and sweat and tears to produce this. And so how can we support what you're doing? Because I really believe that this is an information war, and you're what you're doing is one of the most important vectors in this war, which is to break people out of the narrative that keeps them trapped in that war, that they can't escape it.
• 1:25:15
  Yeah. So Yeah. What is the best way that that we can support what you're doing, Mickey?
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I appreciate you asking that, because I I do have my next film brewing. And this one, I think I'm going to have to be very secretive of what we're doing because of what it is. It's incredibly important, and it is, it's going to deeply affect our lives over the next five years. But I don't want them to I I'm I'm being watched.
• 1:25:46
  I know that because every time I announce the name of something I'm doing, suddenly that name is blocked all over Google searches. And and so I'm gonna be very careful with this. When I can announce it yet, I don't know if the when I'll announce it, but just know that it's, it will be equally as important as the Great Awakening, if not more. And so I do need to start raising funds for it. The the only way I can give my movies away all my movies are free.
• 1:26:09
  My book is even free on that same website, pandemicseries.com. Download my book for free. And the reason is is two reasons, really. My movies are funded by public donations, so I don't feel, right about selling my movies back to the people who help me fund them. And, also, this information is is too critical to put behind paywalls and, and prohibit people from seeing it.
• 1:26:33
  And it's also information that's been stolen from the people, so I just I feel just obligated to return it. And I don't feel right about selling it back to the people. And so that's why I'm always asked why and I'm always brought opportunities to monetize. How many times I hear that a week, you know, you can monetize your brand and whatever. And I say, listen.
• 1:26:52
  I'm not I'm I I'm taken care of. I feel fine. We're comfortable. We're we're we're not rich, but I have enough money to do the job I came here to do. And I don't want to I don't want to fall into that trap of suddenly seeing what I'm what I'm doing as a business in such that it starts to override what the true intention is, and that is to leave this world a better place, so our children can have a good life.
• 1:27:19
  It's it's it's really what it's about for me. But I invite everyone and thank everyone. If if you're able to donate, there's a donate button right on plandemicseries.com to help raise money for the next movie. And then, also, I've created a about a year ago, a year and a half ago, my wife said, sweetheart, you know, our savings is almost gone. And I know you're putting it all back into the movies, and and I just wanna let you know, she does the accounting in the family.
• 1:27:50
  She's like, we don't have much of a runway left, and how long are you going to be giving your your movies away and working for free? And I said, I know. I I felt this was coming, and and I need to create something that is that we can that has a revenue model because I used to make money off off of filmmaking, and I don't anymore. And so we we got together with my incredible crew, and I said, what what could we create out there that would be also adding value to people's lives? Like, that would that would really be valuable to people.
• 1:28:20
  What is it that we can create? And the answer for us was at that time, we were recognizing that natural immunity had been so damaged by the rush of these vaccines. And a lot of the scientists and doctors I was talking to were saying, we're gonna have a really challenging, particularly cold and flu season in the next coming years because they're all these people are gonna be carriers. And as their immune systems are broken down, that means they're carrying more things to the rest of us even if we're vaccinated or not. And so we all have to really defend ourselves.
• 1:28:52
  And and and, and so I set out to to create a an immune boosting formula. And then I was quickly schooled by these. It just so happened that I ended up on this Zoom call regarding another project with these two people that were held as two of the most brilliant formulators on the planet. And they'd come from Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson and all these major companies and left when once they realized what these companies were truly about. And when I brought up to them, I said, you know, I've been kicking around this idea of creating an an immune boosting formula.
• 1:29:20
  They said they said don't create an immune boosting formula. That's not what people need. They need they need to restore their natural immunity. And and I said, do know how to do that? They said, absolutely.
• 1:29:29
  We know how to do that. That's kinda what we're working on right now because that's gonna be a major issue. And so I ended up saying, we do that together? And, and they said, you're exactly what we're looking for, and we're exactly what you're looking for. We didn't know how we'd get it out to the world.
• 1:29:43
  You have you have reach. You have the ability to get it out to the world, and we have the technology. And it was this beautiful relationship. So that was about a year and a half ago. And we now have something called fierce immunity, and, I take it every single day, and everyone in my crew does.
• 1:29:58
  And I'll say that the true test for me, I set out and I said, I want the best. And I had the two formulators on camera. They flew in from different parts of the world, and they they sat together on camera. I said, I asked for the best. Do we have that?
• 1:30:11
  And one of them said, yes. We do. And the other one said, I'm not comfortable saying that. I said, okay. Well, let's talk about that.
• 1:30:17
  Tell me the truth. Tell me the truth. Let's be honest here. This is all on camera. And she said, it's developed to be the best.
• 1:30:23
  But she says, I don't know everything that's out there, so I can't how can I say that? She goes, there might be something I'm not aware of. And I said, that's very fair. She said, but it's absolutely designed to be the best. As far as I know, no one no one knows how to formulate this.
• 1:30:35
  There's so many supplements that have unnecessary products in them that actually counter the the the the elements that are should be the most that should be the most effective within the formulation. It counters that. So, anyway, all that said, during the home run home stretch of PLNDIMIC three, we were going all night and all day. It was madness. And usually, I've been in that position many times.
• 1:31:04
  Usually, there's a moment when someone gets sick and then somebody else gets sick. We're all touching the same keyboards and drinking the same coffee cups, and we're all in close proximity. And I the whole time I'm thinking, oh, boy. We can't afford that this time. We this time usually, it's just a release.
• 1:31:21
  Like, we promised we release on a certain date. This time, it's 2,500 people in a major auditorium, a livestream red carpet premiere. There's no pushing this one. And if someone gets sick on this and we have such a small skeleton crew, we're screwed. And no one got sick because my incredible wife would come down and put her little three tablets in front of everybody every single day.
• 1:31:46
  She's like, take your fears. Take your fears. And so I I for me, that really solidified my my awareness that we really have created something that's remarkable. So all that said, go to fierceimmunity.com, and that's another way you can support my work because that is my only revenue model right now. I partnered with this crazy redhead right here, and JP Sears brought him into it.
• 1:32:14
  We're dear friends, and, he's an incredible human being. And, you know, we I wanted to bring him in also to to share some of this with him because there's a lot that he does, and, and he deserves to have a a better revenue model too. He sells t shirts and stuff like that. But, I know what he does in the world, and I wanted to bring him into this because I just I love him. And so, anyway, that's one way to help.
• 1:32:42
  It's through straight public donations and or buying the Fierce Immunity. Thanks for asking.
• 1:32:48
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll I'll put those links in the description to the show and just encourage people to, you know, do what they can. It's always great, though. It's one thing to say, Hey, you know, can I get a donation?
• 1:32:58
  Which I'm a big believer in that, but it's also like, Well, here, how about you get this great product that's going to help you not be sick, and in exchange for that you're also kind of donating it as well which is it's kind of a
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: win win. Is.
• 1:33:10
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Well, Mickey, I know that you've been really busy and I just I appreciate you taking the time to sit down with me today. It's, I always look forward to our discussions because they go deep in about three seconds, and we stay And that's, you know, that's the only place I want to live these days is I want to live, you know, in a way that my conversations are just so real. There's nothing nothing surface about them that we're just talking about the real things that matter. And I feel like this has been the pinnacle of that.
• 1:33:42
  And so I appreciate you for being here with us today and obviously appreciate what you're doing as well.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Seth. And I wanna say that we don't spend a lot of personal time together. We live in different states, different parts of the world. But I I I mean this when I say this that and of everyone that I've met in the past three years through this pandemic experience, you're one that I I I regard on very top of the list as as just a good man, a good father, a good husband. And I just I I I really appreciate who you are and the way that you share truth in the world.
• 1:34:19
  So I am honored to be back here on the air with you and just know that whenever whenever you need me, I'll be there.
• 1:34:27
  Seth Holehouse: Thank you so much, Ricky.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 1:34:31
  Seth Holehouse: Alright folks, I hope you enjoyed that interview. We're now gonna be jumping into an economic update with Doctor. Kirk Elliott. Kirk, man, it's great to have you back on. How are you doing?
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: I'm doing really well. How are you doing today?
• 1:34:46
  Seth Holehouse: Actually, good. Yeah, I'm actually doing really, really well. A lot of exciting things going on and just just a feeling of optimism, which is which is nice because it hasn't always been the case these past couple of years.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: No. It's, you know, and and as you look at what's going on, I mean, the weekend, was I was reading a bunch of like, and we're gonna go over this stuff today on today's show, right? The interest rate stuff, what's being reported, what's not, things that are happening at the United Nations, things that are happening within the Fed that are going unreported. But yet it seems like something is just off. Right?
• 1:35:26
  Because there's all these big, huge, dramatic things happening, and they're focused on a submarine. Right? And it's like they're focused on something else. And it's like classic misdirection. It's like, oh, don't look this way, you know?
• 1:35:38
  And then, you know, even more stuff coming out about Biden's. And it's like, what a well, the corruption is just wild. You look at the stuff the Supreme Court's listening to and not listening to, and it's like it's just a deflection of what's really important and what's not. But to all of us, what is important? Well, money is, right?
• 1:36:05
  It's way that we live. It's how we ultimately retire by having enough money, right? And so if you can take your eyes off of everything that's causing people's wealth or their their way of life to erode, well, then you're gonna actually win the game a little bit. Right? So this is what they're doing.
• 1:36:26
  They're taking our eyes off of the important. Well, I want to refocus them on what's actually happening behind the scenes. It's not really being reported because it's some big stuff, Seth. It's big.
• 1:36:37
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. And that's what I want to get into because we've been tracking, you know, really the the battle of inflation versus interest rates and inflation and interest rates. And, you know, the talking heads are, you know, trying to make, you know, paint the picture that you know what, it's it's under control and it's down a little bit. And even with the recent, you know, Fed meeting how they've paused, you know, raising the rates, but that which I think for a lot of people would say, oh, you know what mean? It's like it's like they found the submarine.
• 1:37:06
  You know what mean? That you know, even we know they didn't, but it's it's this feeling of like, oh, there's some relief there. But is it real? Or again, is it some sort of misdirection? Because, you know, you sent me a little kind of list, which I'll pull up for the folks that are watching and we'll go over it for those who are listening of the central banks this week across the world.
• 1:37:28
  And this is a very different story. So even though we're seeing the Fed pausing the rate hike, what's happening with central banks around the world?
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Well, this is this is
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: the story. Right? So so in the world of of interest rates, especially when they're coming from sovereign nations and their sovereign debt, they tend to be kind of, like, at par with each other because here's how how the game works. Let's say we're The United States, and we raise our interest rates a quarter of a point. Well, what are we gonna do?
• 1:38:02
  Everybody else who's who's basically other countries who are putting their assets into maybe the European Central Bank or Japan or the Bank of China or whatever, because all interest rates are kind of similar, it's like, oh, The United States, they just raised their rates a quarter of a point. We got to put our money in there because people are chasing yield. You could have the second kind of rationale is countries have to raise their rates because they're currency stakes. Right? It's just like anything else, like a junk bond has a higher rate than a AAA rated government bond.
• 1:38:40
  Right? So people are seeking reward for the risk that they take, then it has to be commensurate with each other. So as you start to see in a world of competitive devaluations is what we're seeing, it's like they're all kind of across the board. Then one country raises rates, all the other ones start to raise rates because it's a fight for the foreign capital going into that country. Right?
• 1:39:04
  So then they're all at par again. Well, then you have another one that raised rates. Oh, now the rest of them have to raise rates as well. So this is the game that we're playing, and it's a dangerous one. But in America, they're playing a political game with this, right, because they're just printing money like there's no tomorrow.
• 1:39:22
  In fact, it's like what you and I talked about, it was either last week or the week before when they decided, right, not only are we going to raise the debt ceiling, we're taking the ceiling off of the debt ceiling, and we're just going to print money like there's no tomorrow without any kind of restraint. Right. That's what causes inflation. That actually is the true definition of inflation. It's just an increasing money supply because it takes more of that devalued junk currency to buy valuable goods and services.
• 1:39:53
  So when we see price increases, it's just a reflection of the increase in the money supply. That's all that it is. But in the prices that we see going up are a symptom of inflation. So so if we start to remember that, all of this stuff starts to make more sense. So if they keep raising the the money supply, if they keep printing, printing, printing, printing like there's no tomorrow, but yet they're hiding the fact that they're actually raising the money supply like there's no tomorrow by reducing the m two money supply, which is the amount of money that we have to spend in checking accounts or savings accounts or or or money markets.
• 1:40:37
  Right? So they're saying, no. We're decreasing the money supply. No. They're printing money like there's no tomorrow to fund every stimulus under the sun.
• 1:40:46
  In fact, they just took the ceiling off debt ceiling. They're not reducing the money supply. They're increasing it by a lot. They're reducing the amount that we as people have to spend. And that's a devastating consequence because they're printing money like there's no tomorrow that causes inflation, yet reducing the amount in the banks that we have access to, which is like the worst of all possible scenarios, making prices higher and giving us less to buy with.
• 1:41:16
  Right? This is their cockamamie scheme. So when I see that the when I saw and we talked about this briefly, but when I saw that the that the bureau of labor statistics changed the CPI, the inflation rate from five point something to four last week, it's like, what did that tell me? It's like, I knew what they were gonna say it was gonna tell you. They're gonna say, we're winning the war on inflation.
• 1:41:42
  The Biden plan is doing great. Look. Inflation went from five point something down to 4%, a 25% decrease in prices. It's like baloney. My my wallet doesn't tell me that there was a 25% decrease in prices just because that's what your bogus made up numbers of CPI say.
• 1:42:02
  My wallet tells me when I go to the grocery store, prices didn't come down 25%. My wallet tells me when I go to the gas station, prices didn't come down 25%. My wallet tells me when I'm looking for a new car or used car, they're not 25% less. Right? That tells me that they're fudging the numbers.
• 1:42:20
  But they needed to have that happen so they could say, we're winning the battle. Therefore, we don't have to raise interest rates this month. We can pause them. Right? Because it's this catch 22 of you pause interest rates and what happens?
• 1:42:39
  What's the result? Inflation persist and goes through the roof. You keep raising rates to slow down inflation. What's the cause and effect of that? Well, people are living hand to mouth right now at the at the margin, and you keep raising rates and it's gonna kill the economy overnight.
• 1:42:56
  Either one, because we are where we are in this cycle, either one is gonna cause economic contraction. Number one, people aren't gonna spend money with with a rise in in interest rates. Number two, people can't afford to spend money because inflation is going through the roof. It's it's seriously a lose lose situation. So they paused because they didn't want to well, a, they wanted to tell the world they're winning in the war on inflation, but b, people can't afford the excess interest rates.
• 1:43:24
  Right? So but here's what happened in the rest of the world. And remember, competitive devaluations. Banks tend to do the same thing outside of a a of a weird radical event that might happen in a country like, oh, credit you know, it's no longer triple a plus rated bond. You know, the the US dollar got downgraded to double a or single a or b or worse junk status.
• 1:43:50
  Right? So unless something like that happened, you're gonna see all the rates kinda move together. But nothing like that happened yet, but all the rates moved together except for America. Right? Because look what happened in The United Kingdom.
• 1:44:05
  They raised rates by a half a percent. 50 basis points is half a percent. Well, that's more than expected for the thirteenth rate hike that they've had there. Switzerland raised rates by a quarter of a percent. Norway raised rates by a half a percent, which was more than expected.
• 1:44:23
  These aren't new expectations. You know, UK, Thirteen rate hikes over the last in a row. Norway, Eleven rate hikes in a row. The United States, well, they paused. We paused because we're winning the war on inflation.
• 1:44:40
  No, we're not. They're just pretending like we are. But look at Turkey. Turkey is terrible. Turkey, Six Fifty basis points, a 6.5 interest rate hike.
• 1:44:57
  So now their interest rates are up to 15%. And people have called me this week and say, Kirk, this is really bad. What's going to happen to the price of oil? What's going to happen there? This is terrible.
• 1:45:05
  It's like, okay, this is not an uncommon thing. In fact, it happened in America. In 1983, our interest rates were 18%. So seeing Turkey at 15% doesn't bother me, but it does tell me we're going to much higher interest rates around the world because this is why they would have to raise rates that high is to slow down inflation. Inflation is still a problem globally.
• 1:45:33
  The reason we had 18% interest rates in the early eighties was because inflation was at 14.3%. They needed to slow that down. Why are interest rates going to keep going up? And why was the fact that we called a pause on ours so stupid? It's because everybody knows inflation didn't come down.
• 1:45:53
  Inflation is not 4%. In fact, unofficially, if you were to compare apples to apples, what inflation how inflation was measured in 1983, it's at 20 to 25% today. That's the reality. So interest rates have to keep going up. Now this led to something else.
• 1:46:11
  Right? This led to the fourteenth month in a row that leading economic indicators have been in decline. So there's an index called the leading economic indicators index. It's not a fancy name, right? But what does it measure?
• 1:46:28
  It measures all of the economic indicators, the leading ones that we have. CPI, gross domestic product, number of new home applications, amount of consumer debt, you know, let's see, like CEO, basically, what would you even call it? It's like the CEO confidence level, the manufacturer's confidence level, right? It has all of these things added all into one. Well, what did it do?
• 1:46:57
  It's down for the fourteenth month in a row with the expectation this isn't going to stop. Now, nothing makes sense unless it's held into perspective and compared against other times. So when was the last time that we had 14 rate, these leading economic indicators index down in a row? The answer is never, not even during the Great Depression. Every once in a while you'll have a month where something pops up, right?
• 1:47:26
  And it's like, Oh, tricks everybody, and then it comes down the next month. We haven't even seen that. We've seen fourteen months in a row of leading economic indicators in decline. This economy that we have under the Biden administration is a sick one. It's very sick.
• 1:47:44
  It's not healthy. It has no stamina. It has no oxygen. Right? It's run out because people aren't spending money.
• 1:47:53
  This is the economic reality of America that we're living in today, Seth.
• 1:47:59
  Seth Holehouse: So there's two questions that come to mind. One about Turkey, which I'll ask that one first. And then the other one about well, that will come what we're talking about, you know, here. So as it relates to Turkey, though, cause I also know I know that Turkey is a big one of the biggest gold buying nations. Right?
• 1:48:19
  They're, you know, in that that brick circle that, you know, whenever you see the charts about, you know, nations that are buying gold, they're oftentimes, you know, the ones that are high on the list. Now, my question is, Lucas, you mentioned how the the currencies in a lot of ways are very tied together. Right? So, you know, if The US currency, if the rates are going up, then, you know, you're gonna see it trickle into especially a lot of the European, you know, you know, currencies, etcetera. So do you think that when you look at Turkey and the fact that, I mean, they raised six and a half points, right?
• 1:48:52
  Like that's huge. Like that's a that's a massive I mean, one point is is huge. Right? So do you think like, a, obviously, we know that they're not backing their currency with gold. Right?
• 1:49:06
  Like they're as far as I know, their currencies and other fiat currency is not a gold backed currency, right? So do you think that part of it is because they see the writing on the wall, they know that the currencies will be collapsing, And so they're just kind of shifting away. And as a nation, their central bank is putting more money into gold? Like, how do you make sense of that?
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So so Turkey is making basically a plea to enter the BRICS nations, right? BRICS has brought Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, right? So they want it. So does Mexico, so does Saudi Arabia, so do all these other countries, right?
• 1:49:49
  So as you look into that, what are they trying to do? They're trying to make a play that they have a strong currency, they should be part of the BRICS nations. And overall, the BRICS nations are saying, we're ushering in a central bank digital currency, but it's gonna be better than other countries because it's gonna be backed by gold. Right? So when you look at that, what they're doing, the largest purchaser of gold since the year 2010 has been Russia, Sixteen Hundred tons.
• 1:50:24
  The second one has been China, almost a thousand tons. The third one is Turkey at over 400 tons. Then you've got Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, all at 200 plus tons. Right? I mean, India, Two Hundred plus tons.
• 1:50:38
  This is a lot. We're not talking about ounces or pounds of silver. We're talking about thousands of tons, right? So to me, when I look at that, we don't know the exact answer, but in time we will. So it's probably it's one of two reasons.
• 1:50:55
  Number one, they're using that purchasing of gold as like this dangling carrot, laying it out there for all the world to see. It's like, hey, look, world, we know there's options with central bank digital currency. We want yours and ours. Ours is going to be by gold, this is going to be amazing, right? Or they might know that nobody wants a central bank digital currency that's got complete command and control attributes to its existence.
• 1:51:24
  They know what you buy. They know what you sell. They know what your ideology is. They know what religion you are. They know what politics are.
• 1:51:32
  How do they know that? Based on what you buy and sell. Right? So there's already states and countries that are in opposition to a central bank digital currency, like Texas, like Arkansas, like Oklahoma, like Wyoming, like Utah, like Alaska just this week. This is big.
• 1:51:51
  Right? So these are states where they're saying, we're going to have a gold backed currency in our state, we'll use gold as legal tender, or we're going to have a sovereign bank, a state sovereign chartered bank, not a federal chartered bank like FDIC, a state one that gets out of the Federal Reserve System. And boy, when you have that and they want to back it by gold, you've got a lot of like states' rights issues starting to play out here where they're kicking the Fed to the to the sidewalk. And this is exactly what we need for competition to say, look, we don't want CBDCs. Nobody does.
• 1:52:31
  It's complete intrusion on our bank account. It is a massive problem. Right? So so you've got these alternative currencies that are now coming into the into the limelight, and this is what we get to participate in, which is why you and I have been shouting this from the rooftops for a long time. If you want to protect and preserve yourself from a bank that's run out of control that wants to grab everything, it's a power grab of everything, it's a money grab of everything, well, then you have to do the right thing at the right time, right?
• 1:53:02
  And this is where we start to follow those central banks that are gobbling up gold by the thousands or hundreds of tons that I believe we don't know what the exact reason is. All I know is that they're doing it. Number one, they think their system is going to fail, and they still want to be the reserve currency. So they're kind of de facto backing it up, or be they're using it as the carrot to entice people in.
• 1:53:28
  Seth Holehouse: That that makes sense. So the other question I had was about, so you mentioned there's these 14 areas where we're seeing a decline that we've never seen that before. And so, but if you look at, okay, well, guess I'll take a step back. One thing I've learned to, you know, kind of one worldview I have now in framing things is that a lot of times, what we see happening is false. And the the true situation is hidden somewhere within that within the the agenda within whatever they're pushing.
• 1:53:57
  And so you can't necessarily see the truth by just looking at the dig and uncover things. Okay? So when we see this is what's kind of confusing for me is that okay, you're saying these 14 indicators are showing that there's that there's a opposite of growth, right? There's decline in these 14 areas, never happened before. Yet, you look at the stock market, which is, you know, it's it's at almost an all time high for the year.
• 1:54:25
  And so if you look at those and kind of compare, it's almost like there's so many indicators that like right now, that the stock market should be struggling, right? You know, if that's a kind word, that you'd see precious metal prices going even higher, that you would see the rapid, the de dollarization really kicking into effect. You know, there's so many things like that that it's kind of like even a year ago, you could already see them happening. Yet, it just to me, it's like there's some part of it, it feels like maybe because we're entering into an election year that they're they're pulling some sort of Babylonian money magic trickery to try to preserve this system as long as possible. And that's why it's almost it's like against all odds.
• 1:55:17
  It's almost like someone has, you know, has, you know, cancer. Right? It's like it's terminal, you know, and it's like they should have actually passed on, you know, a long time ago, years ago. But they're they're like, all this money is being pumped in to like prop them up and prop them and prop them up. And it's like, it doesn't make sense that they're still here.
• 1:55:38
  Like that's how it feels like with with the system, especially with the economic system we're seeing. I mean, that is that something you're seeing as well? And what do you think about that?
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense. And when something doesn't make sense, it's not real, if it's just thriving. When you look, what causes the stock market to grow? Right? To answer that, your question is, it's revenues.
• 1:56:04
  Right? It's always has been, always will be. When people spend money, it causes earnings to go up. When earnings go up, profits go up. When profits go up, now you have a a larger, you know, price to earnings ratio.
• 1:56:18
  Right? And it's like the stock prices go through the roof. So when we've got declining wages, rising prices, increasing taxes, a higher cost of borrowing, all of that's a recipe for disaster, not a recipe for growth, recipe for disaster. Couple that with banks that have run out of money, and and you have to have, like, the most amazing credit score on the planet to even get a a a personal loan. Right?
• 1:56:43
  I mean, it's just like it's hard. So so there's no reason. There's no solid rationale why the stock market should be doing well right now. There's none, which means it's probably stimulus money being injected into the system with money that they're printing out of thin air, you know, to actually keep it propped up and have the illusion that it's doing well. But it's truly not is is are the numbers propped up there?
• 1:57:13
  Yep. So that it impacts people positively, but it's not real. So if it's not real, it's not gonna last. And that's why people are playing with fire by keeping money allocated in the stock market for too long because what it is, it's it's not people spending. It's not solid growth.
• 1:57:31
  We don't have any money to spend. It's stimulus money being injected into the system, you know, to keep it propped up to have the illusion that the economy is doing well.
• 1:57:42
  Seth Holehouse: I see. It's almost like it's almost like weekend at Bernie's. That's that's what
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: Pretty much. You
• 1:57:48
  Seth Holehouse: know, like that's what that's what we're living in right now. And until it's not. Yeah. You know what mean? And that's the thing is that I suspect that it's like it's good, it's good, and it's good.
• 1:57:57
  It's like it happens really slow, and then it's all at once. Right?
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 5: All at once. All at once.
• 1:58:03
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. So, Kirk, we've only got about ten more minutes for the show today. And I know there's another topic we're be touching on, but I also just wanted to follow-up with you and because this has been something that a lot of folks are talking about, which is what we've been talking about with regards to these other gold companies. And I just wanted to hear from you because I know a lot of folks have been reaching out. They've been like this is I'm seeing people in the comments talking about this, and it's really unfortunate.
• 1:58:31
  What's funny is I even see people trying to defend this stuff. I saw someone commenting on YouTube, I think that was saying, Hey, look, like what's this guy talking about? It's normal to pay $60.70 bucks an ounce for silver right now. And I'm thinking like, is that really the case? That hasn't been my experience.
• 1:58:49
  But I just wanted to see because you're, you know, you're in the middle of this storm. And I know that we even gave out here CEO's email and said, hey, reach out to them. So what's your update on what you're seeing happening?
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 5: Oh, so that comment that it's normal to pay 60 or $70. Sadly, that's true. And I say sadly that that's become the normal because companies are ripping people off so bad. Literally, today, today, as we do as we record this, like a thousand ounce bar of silver with with silver at $23 and something an ounce, $25.70 an ounce. Even a one ounce round, you compare apples to apples.
• 1:59:34
  Right? So it's a one ounce piece to another one ounce piece, less than $29 an ounce. Right? So so don't tell me that it's actually the norm. It sadly, it is the norm because people are ripping people off.
• 1:59:47
  But my strategy for wealth creation and wealth preservation is to minimize your cost, maximize your return. If you paid more than $30 an ounce for silver, you've overpaid. Right? And and the fact that people think that this is a normal thing is sad to me because it's really well, it should be less than $30. You're paying over 60.
• 2:00:10
  It's like, that's double. It's literally you have to have silver move so much more for you to break even. Because I was talking to the president of a depository, the Texas Precious Metals Depository that we use. How much do they pay for stuff like that? If we were to liquidate it to them, how much do they pay?
• 2:00:30
  Spot plus $4, and they're no different than any other depository. They all pay the same. Some pay even less. Some will pay Melt, which is less than spot. It's about 5% less than spot price because nobody wants it.
• 2:00:45
  So to liquidate those things, you have to go back to the firm you bought it from and say, hey, will you buy it? Because they make a market for it. Anything that's not a globally traded thing, you have to make a market for it. And we've all seen movies on it, you know, smiling and dialing. It's like, hey.
• 2:01:00
  Or we might have talked to people like that on the phone. Do I have a deal for you today? Right? It's like, we got this excess inventory in, and if you act on it now because it's probably gonna be gone in three days, I'll give you a 5% discount, but you have to do it today. That kind of garbage, right?
• 2:01:18
  It's like, no, if you have a globally traded commodity like silver bullion or gold bullion, it's simply a forty five second phone call, boom, lock it in, wire you the funds, done. It's not something you have to make a market for because the market's already there. So I have seen statement after statement after statement, and the average that I'm seeing is silver in the 67 to $73 range that people are paying. Gold's average is about 34 to in the 34 to $3,700 an ounce range. And this isn't even for rare stuff.
• 2:01:55
  This isn't for something that's old and rare and you're like I mean, those are even worse, ranging from all the way up to, I don't know, 300% over spot to so much over that you can't even count it because I've seen people pay 28 to $77,000 an ounce for gold. It's like, this is insane. This is absolutely insane. That is not an investment. That's a collectible, and they don't act the same.
• 2:02:22
  If you want to protect and preserve your portfolio, you should never go into a collectible because you have to make a market for it. Right? So we're seeing hundreds of these reviews coming in, these portfolio reviews that we've asked for and we asked for them on your show. If you if you think that's you, you think you got overpaid, then send an email to ashleykirk elliotphd dot com. Now I've seen maybe a couple percent, like maybe five or 10 out of the hundreds of portfolio reviews that people have sent me where they actually didn't get overcharged.
• 2:03:02
  And it was okay. They're calling back and say, You shouldn't do anything, right? It's actually a fair price what you paid for it. I wouldn't do anything. Now you're still going to have to pay a commission I'm sure with those people when you liquidate, which is not really apples to apples because you charge nothing with us, But at least they didn't overpay upfront.
• 2:03:23
  Right? So there's very, very few of those. I mean, it's sick. There's maybe like five. There's not many.
• 2:03:30
  But the ones that got abused really on their prices, they're plentiful. And that breaks my heart. It it truly breaks my heart. Because people thought they were doing the right thing, Seth. They thought when they hear us talking on the show, when they hear other podcasters talking, people that they trust in the movement, and they're just getting so ripped off, it really hurts my heart for them because it's gonna be hard to recover.
• 2:03:55
  But you can recover. Right? This is why I was saying send us your portfolio. We can sell at probably at a loss, I'm sure at a loss, put you into something that's gonna move dollar for dollar with the silver market just going to cheap bullion, thousand ounce bars, hundred ounce bars, ride it up. And if silver triples the rate of growth of gold, which is what the president of HSBC, one of the largest banks in the world thinks.
• 2:04:20
  And so what if you had to pay 30 to 40% a loss to get out of it, silver triples, that's still like a 260% gain. But the only way that you can recover that is to get into a boom that will move dollar for dollar with the markets.
• 2:04:36
  Seth Holehouse: Which makes sense. Which makes sense. And it's, you know, we're not gonna name names in the show because, well, the thing is, it's not necessary because you can do your own research, but I've talked to you about this, you know, offline and I was I was surprised. I mean, these are, these are, you know, were companies that were being promoted by, like, shows that were way, way bigger than me, you know, I'm a small potato, right? These are some, some very, very big names.
• 2:05:04
  So, know, so again, so people can email Ashley, right, And just do like a portfolio review? Or how does that work?
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll do I will actually do the the analysis on it myself. And then one of my advisors will call you to go over the results. Right? But the interesting story, I was going over this with a lady who invested 500,000, and she's like, wow. You you you overpaid by a ton.
• 2:05:32
  Right? So so she called the firm back. They said, well, if we go into thousand ounce bars of silver, we can get you 17,177 ounces, and we'll only charge you 3 percent. So the other guy you're talking to is gonna charge you eight. Right?
• 2:05:48
  So she said, what should I do? I've got a dilemma here. It's like, well, A, they ripped you off once, what's to think that they're not going to do it again? You always have to go with who you trust, right? Whether it's me or somebody else, go with who you trust.
• 2:06:01
  But then I said, here, I'll just tell you how many ounces you could get with me charging 8%, eighteen thousand eight hundred and seventy seven ounces. They said, Wait, that math doesn't add up because they're only giving me 17,000 and they're charging me 3%, you're charging 8. I said, Yep, they lied again. They lied again. So here's where I just like to be completely transparent, honest, because it's not my money.
• 2:06:29
  I don't even think it's the client's money. It's God's money. And if we would look at everything in the light of eternity, it would be a completely different world. I guarantee it. Right?
• 2:06:40
  But it's like, yeah, got fooled once and decided to almost get fooled twice. It's like, man, breaks my heart. It truly does because I don't know how some people can sleep at night, but this is the world that we're living in. Bottom line, deal with somebody that you trust. Deal with somebody who you trust your hard earned retirement with and don't overpay for it, whether it's with our firm or not, Could care less.
• 2:07:09
  I just want to make sure that we're sounding these warning signs and letting you know about them to say,
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: look,
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 5: you got to fix this. Don't go into something where you're not getting even close, where you're tripling, quadrupling the spot price of the metal and thinking that that's a good deal. It is it is not. At today's silver price of 23 something dollars an ounce, you should not in any stretch or any circumstance, pay more than $30 an ounce for silver.
• 2:07:40
  Seth Holehouse: I mean, you said it flat out that you know, someone can buy 1,000 ounce bar from you for, you know, 25 and some change. So, there's the benchmark. I mean, that's the thing is silver is silver. That's, that's, it's almost like you're, say you're buying gasoline, right, as a commodity. And say, you know, that you know, right now you go to the gas station, it's $5 a gallon.
• 2:08:01
  And it's like, Okay, well, you know, maybe gas will be up at $7 a gallon by the end of the year. So if you if you come in, you can buy it at, you know, $5.05 you know, it's like, Okay, that's safe. You know, let's go and buy some gas. But it's almost like that gas is gas. If there's somebody that's selling you gas for $30 a gallon, and like, no, this is really special gasoline.
• 2:08:23
  It's like, it's a complete scam. It's like gas is gas. Now look, maybe if someone's saying, look, this is vintage gasoline that was out of the first Model T Ford, and there's a huge collector market. Here's the, you know, here's a certificate to say that it's authentic. And it's like, okay, maybe in that case, it's like, but you have to understand you're buying a collectible now, you're not buying a commodity, right?
• 2:08:45
  You see, you better understand the collectible gasoline market if you're gonna be paying collectible prices, and not just trust, you know, trusting the salesperson, right? So that's just kind of how I look at it when I've explained it to people too. It's like take a simple commodity, that's gas, it's wheat, it's it's milk, and it's the same thing. So, well, Kirk, if folks want to get ahold of you, either A) for a portfolio review, or they want to move some of their assets into silver or gold, they can go to goldwithseth.com. It's goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900.
• 2:09:23
  I'll put those in the description as well as Ashley, your CEO's email address. Sorry, Ashley. But Kirk told me I could do it. People can reach out to her as well. And yeah, let's just let's just hope that you hopefully I feel like this is what's happening.
• 2:09:40
  I feel like that the conversations that you and I are having about these gold companies for whatever reason, they're going really far. And it's not about you or your company or anything. It's really just saying, look, people that are watching a lot of these shows, they're talking about what's really happening in the world, there is this doom and gloom element to it. There are some scary things out there that you're becoming aware of that you're not going to see on MSNBC or even on Fox News. But it's just important to understand that there are companies that are trying to take advantage.
• 2:10:12
  And there's companies that are making a lot of money off of that. Right? There's a lot of opportunity when people are freaking out. And that's what's really key is that, like, whether it's Kirk or say you have your local person that you've always been going to that you know is fair, great. Just learn how to be discerning with this because a lot of people are just trusting too easily.
• 2:10:31
  Look, don't trust me. Don't trust me. Don't trust Kirk. Don't trust anybody with this because it's your money and just do your research. So anyway, now Kirk, what if someone hypothetically right now is working with another company and say they're getting ready to make a big purchase, they've got their invoice, they're they're mulling it over, they're talking about with their wife, Can they send that to you as well?
• 2:10:52
  And they can say, hey, check this out. What do you think? I
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 5: would love to because, again, we're people over profit. That's the philosophy of our firm. I need to go to bed at night sleeping well, right, that that we've taken care of god's money. So send it to me. I'll tell you if you're overpaying or not.
• 2:11:11
  Right? And but here's where your gut will start to scream. Your intuition, that wisdom that God puts in us will start to scream. It's like, I'm overpaying. I don't trust their advice.
• 2:11:23
  Boy, I don't know what to do. Or maybe say, yep, that's absolutely fantastic. I'm glad Kurt confirmed it. I'm going to go with them. Right?
• 2:11:32
  That's perfect. That's perfect. But let us know. Let us look at it so we can help guide you in the right direction no matter who you use. I don't want you to overpay because you know why?
• 2:11:43
  We're all called to be wise stewards with what we've been given, and we will help you navigate through that together. It's not going to take very long. It's just a quick little phone call. It might take a while to review it depending on how robust your portfolio is. But then we'll give you the advice.
• 2:12:00
  Keep it, yay or nay, in part or in full. And that's it.
• 2:12:05
  Seth Holehouse: Great. Well, Kirk, thanks again. It's always fun having you on. Take care. Have a great rest of your week.