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#658 - Zilla Fatu on Carrying His Father’s Legacy, Jacob Fatu, 4th Rope, WWE Dreams, 6 Yrs in Prison & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Bulet Cap podcast. We got a special guest in here, Zilifa.
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: Two. Let's go maybe thank you for having me.
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Hello, you're in LA defending your title? Eh? How many
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: titles you got? Because I feel like you're missing a
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: title at least.
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: I am man. I'm also the fourth rope champion over there.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: So for people who don't know, if you're not a
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: wrestling fan and you're watching this because you're you would
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: be considered I think you're the biggest independent wrestler in
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: the country at least right Like, I feel like in
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: the US, you are the guy who's headlining every show.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: You know, if there's a big weekend the ww has,
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: there's all the indie shows to follow, and you are
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: the face of those shows.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: What is it like?
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: The territory game is not what it was like when
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: when we read about kind of the eighties and the
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: early nineties. So there's all these different promotions. You're able
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: to hold titles simultaneously in different promotions for different company.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: So what like kind of break down the politics of that?
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: Because I'm like, there's people who are watching these who
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: are not wrestling fans. They're gonna be like, Yo, what
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: is what is hog what is Fourth Rowe.
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: Like, so obviously you guys have WWE and then you
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: have the other you know, aw whatever, these major platforms TNA.
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: So I'm on, Uh the indis you know, quote unquote,
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: that's our linguo for wrestlers in this wrestling world. And
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: it's the independent circuit where wrestlers that don't have no
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: contract nothing, and we can work, we can go work anywhere.
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: You're like a mercenary.
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And these promotions they have, uh, these promotions
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: are obviously they're produced from New York, different places. Fourth
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: Rope is in Buffalo, New York. Yeah, uh so they
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: all come from different places. And you know, with certain promotions,
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: were able to book you know, your your dream matches
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: rather if it's a you know, atleastair black versus carrying
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: across you, you would be able to see that at
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: these motions, right. So and then yeah, that's what it is.
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: It's all these independent contractors, all these independent wrestlers on
• 2:08
  Speaker 2: this independent show where we don't you know, have a
• 2:10
  Speaker 2: deal or no contract. And yeah, I'm the face of
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: House of Glory and for Rupe.
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: So give me for people who don't know your background,
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: your dad was umaga. Yes, sir, who is a legend
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  Speaker 1: you were a part of. I guess we could call
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: like the Royalist Family of wrestling now and then. Right
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: now your family is running like three storylines on TV
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: at the moment. But let's kind of go back a little.
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: You're a kid. You end up getting into trouble around
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: the age of fifteen, and you had to go sit
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  Speaker 1: down for six years, yes, sir, fifteen year old in
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  Speaker 1: an adult penitentiary, Yes, sir, this Texas.
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I went to TyC. I went that I
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: went through when I was fifteen, I was fighting two
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: aggravated robbery cases. And whenever I took it by trial
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: by judge instead of trial by jury, the judge ended
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: up giving me ten years damn. Yeah. My first offer
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: was thirty five years. Yeah, And I was like, Bret, no,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to go back in there and drop
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  Speaker 2: that mug to a ten years.
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: Probation, right.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, the judge they didn't want to send
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  Speaker 2: me home because due to how serious my case was.
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: They was like, nah, you gotta go sit down. You
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: got to go sit down and do some time and learn.
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: And you know, at that time, I was like, I
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: was fifteen loss and sauce. I didn't even know what
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: to do with my life. Shit, I didn't even know,
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: you know, if I even had a morale compass, right,
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: you know, so I was just moving just cuzin you know.
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: Obviously when I came home, man, it was it was
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: hard for me to find a job. Yeah, and then yeah.
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: You're convicted felon right now.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think people understand. That's like a like a
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  Speaker 1: something that people who move around with it. It's like
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  Speaker 1: a scarlet letter.
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  Speaker 2: No, it is. It is because you know, when we
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: go apply to these jobs, man, like everything goes good,
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: everything's okay, yeah, boom boom, and then you get to
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: that last box, that last one where it's like are
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: you a convicted felon? And then you know, that's that's
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: what always messed me up. But then, uh, obviously when
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: I woke up one day, I was like, man, I
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: need to figure something out. I need to do something
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  Speaker 2: with my life. I can't just sit here. And I
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: was like, hey, wrestling, you know, and we're always told
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: growing up that wrestling was always going to be an option, like.
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  Speaker 1: It's always there for you.
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  Speaker 2: Just yeah, just go do other stuff, go do other stuff.
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: And I always had it in my mind. You know.
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: I told my mom. I was like, I want to wrestle.
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: She was like, boy, shut up, go back to eating
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: your food. I was like, nah, mam, for real. And
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: then she was like, Okay, well we have to call
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: Booger T and go from there, and then you know,
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  Speaker 2: the rest is history.
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: So you were running around just because I feel like
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: you were the like me, and you were talking a
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: little bit uh in Vegas. You're you have a different
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: experience than some of your other family members because I
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: feel like we always associate the USO's and you are
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: family with the Bay Area, but you were like Texas favor. Yeah.
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: It's also like a different vibe of like street culture,
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: low key facts. So you lose your dad, do you
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  Speaker 1: just kind of get to the point where you're like,
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  Speaker 1: I just you don't know what else to do. You
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  Speaker 1: don't have an outlet, so you end up hanging out
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  Speaker 1: with the wrong people.
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what That's exactly what it was. And then
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  Speaker 2: you know, I started skipping school and the only time
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  Speaker 2: I go to school is for football, Like that's that
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  Speaker 2: was the only class. I was passing football And the
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: craziest thing was they were still letting me play. You
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  Speaker 2: had to be good then, Yeah I was great. I
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: was the best one in my district. So the fact
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  Speaker 2: that I was still you know, failing my classes and
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: my coaches was like still like you know, putting a
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: foot down in the office, like now that you guys
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: need to let if you guys want to win, you
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: let him play, right. And then you know, one thing
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  Speaker 2: led to another. I started skipping school and then you know,
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: they wasn't trying to hear that. It was like, now
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: we got to kick him off just so you know,
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: other students can learn. And then yeah, I started hanging
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: around the wrong crowd, and then I started bro I
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: just started, you know, get into drugs too, and and
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: it went from you know, I was stealing bikes to
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: just got more serious after that.
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like once you start easy money is very
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: hard to like it. It's very alluring.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, yeah, we could go hit a lick.
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: We know we're gonna hit this lick right now.
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: Let's go get it. Yeah. Facts, And now thinking about it,
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  Speaker 2: was it just sucks, man, because I burned so many
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: bridges growing up. I burned so many Bridges. Man, I
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: had so many people willing to help me. You know,
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: they knew what my mom was going through at the time,
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: because my mom was a single mother raising four older boys,
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: I mean for children, and the fact that I was
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  Speaker 2: the youngest one and I didn't peep that I didn't
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  Speaker 2: peep what my mom was going through. I wish I
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: was there for her, but I just lost man. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't do anything.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like your because I feel like Jacob
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: has dealt with this a little bit on TV too.
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  Speaker 1: It's gotten brought up in like certain like promos and
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: stuff and storylines he's been a part of. But do
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: you feel like your past has Did it take you
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: a while to get on the other side of it
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  Speaker 1: where people were like, oh no, no, he is taking
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  Speaker 1: this serious. We could take a chance on him.
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah, especially in this business because
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: when I first started in this business, I started at
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: Reality or Wrestling at Booker T School, and you know,
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: I made my debut there and then really a week
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: after that, me and Booker T we got into it personally,
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: you know, and end up end up ending with me
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: leaving Reality or Wrestling, And it's crazy. It was because
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: at the same time I'm going through all this with
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: Booker T, Jacob's going through the stuff he's going through
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: with MLW, you know, and they didn't want to release
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: some whatever whatever. Jacob called me one day and was like, hey, Bro,
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  Speaker 2: like I heard what happened. Are you do you have
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: anything lined up? I'm like, hell Na, Bro, I ain't
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  Speaker 2: got nothing lined up. What's up? He was like, Bro,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's let's work. Let's get together and let's take
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: over this shit.
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: And then Bro, we got together and our first like
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: eight matches we took over. We was the top you know,
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: tag team in the game. And I was just I
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: was really really excited to see what the Werewolf and
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: the main One could build. And you know, within our
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: eight matches, man, our last two matches went viral. We
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: was able to do millions of numbers. And uh, it's
• 8:15
  Speaker 2: just crazy because he gets signed and then it kind
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: of forced me to get away from the tag yeah,
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: you know, talk and got it, went to the singles talk,
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: and uh, I was just at that time, I didn't
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: see it. I didn't believe in it. But now it's
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: like it's different because I had to figure it out
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: on my own. But the fact that you know, I
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: was under Jacob's tree for like what a year, I
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: was able to like, you know, get some knowledge off him,
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  Speaker 2: and it helped me become the star that I am today.
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: And it probably helped you as a wrestler, because that
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: guy is a fucking demon in the room.
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, bro, when that guy the ship, he could
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: His size is it's wild. Yeah.
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: Not only that with the meeting grease Man, because usually,
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: you know, my first meeting Greek, I didn't.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: I was so like, you're still You're still I feel like,
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's the same. It's almost like I
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: can imagine you're a street guy, you gotta do meet
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: and greets, but you're also like you're kind of too
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: cool for school.
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, yeah. It was an eye opener for me.
• 9:15
  Speaker 3: But you know, with Jacob, he was like, it's like
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: just just be you, like leaning, like just say what's up,
• 9:21
  Speaker 3: like you know, cause at first I was nervous and
• 9:23
  Speaker 3: then you know, I'm in my penitentiary mindset.
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: I'm still readjusting back in society at that time, so
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: it's kind of hard for me to like just open
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: up to somebody you know. But Jacob was like, oh,
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: it's just just be yourself, have fun, and just just
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: just know that these people came here to see you,
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: not nobody else. They waited after the show in this line,
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: just meet you and talk to you. Just be yourself.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: And then when I seen that and I see how
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: Jacob interact to fans, that's when I started, Okay, I
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: started catching on, and then yeah, bro, Jacob played a
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: big role, like in my beginning of my career, were
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: really still to this day, he's still you know, my mentor.
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  Speaker 1: damn near so good in the ring to kind of
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  Speaker 1: follow up, Like I guess the pressure of having that
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  Speaker 1: name right you know what I'm saying. The bloodline is
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• 12:06
  Speaker 2: And And to be honest, it's crazy you say that.
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  Speaker 2: I had to accept that before I got into this business.
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  Speaker 2: I had I had to accept that there was gonna
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: be an expectation set so high, uh, because of what
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: my dad did and my family did. And I just said,
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: you know, fuck it. Now we're gonna we're gonna rock
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: with it, you know, and I'm gonna make this work.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really gonna make this work. Like there's no other plan,
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: there's no plan bead or just this. This ship is
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: gonna work, y'all.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So talk to me. What's your relationship like with
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: Booker T nowadays? Existent? Is it?
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: He's still a sucker? He's still a sucker to me. Yeah,
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: he's still a sucker.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: Well, if you ever get called up, I feel like
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to have Oh I'm a whoop his
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: ass uncomfortable conversation.
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: Nah, I'm a whoop his ass. And then we could talk.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: See I'm used to the way I was raised. We
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: punched first and then we talk later.
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: What happened with What was the genesis of your issue
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: with Booker? By the way, I met him in Vegas,
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: and he didn't he was he He looked like the
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: most miserable guy I've ever seen that.
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: I was walking by he looked like he was having
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: the worst day ever. And I was like, Yo, can
• 13:07
  Speaker 4: we get a foot and.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: He was just like sure yeah.
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, damn, my bad, bro. I was like,
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: he I've never met anybody doesn't want to take a
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: picture worse than Booker?
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: T Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: But is this is this is this like a real thing?
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: Or is this is this a is it this isn't
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: a man?
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: Whatever you want to call it, ken whatever, Well, however
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: you wanna take it, that's what it is. But no,
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: it was it's it's basically, you know, mentor versus student
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: kind of storage stuff going on, and you know, he
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: brought me into this game. He showed me the way.
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: He showed me the the ropes of this business. And uh, I.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: Feel like this is a work though your guys is beef.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: Is it a work?
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: No, it's not a work. I don't. I don't believe
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: in work. I don't. I don't when people say work,
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: and I don't believe in that because when you when
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: you view something as a work, that's all it's gonna
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: be around work. So everything I consider now is just
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: really just uh an art.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: So he shows you, he shows you the ropes.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he showed me the way, and he's seen that
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: I was able to capitalize off all the momentum and
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: everything that he taught me. And then I would say
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: he got jealous. I'll say he got jealous and he
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: didn't know that the student was gonna be bigger than him,
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: you know, and I guess he didn't want that, and
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: he tried to hinder my greatness. He tried to hinder
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: me from getting booked everywhere. Really, so I left, Yeah,
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: I left, And that's when me and the werewolf got
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: together and we took over the world and.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: He didn't want you to get like he would he
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: would cock block you getting bookings in other places.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: All that wow, all that gatekeeping, gatekeeping.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what he is. He's a gatekeeper. That's why
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: I turned him into a permanent sucker.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah wow, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, gatekeepers are terrible in
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: any industry. That's that's crazy. Well look, I mean eventually,
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: you guys are gonna have to There's there's not a
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: world that exists in which you eventually are not on
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Summer Slammer Brusselmania in the next couple of years. In
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: my opinion.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: Oh you know, man, I might pull up on NXT
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: and whoop his ass. You never know.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: I want to I want to ask you, man, you
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: and Dom uh grow up together that I saw you
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: talking with Chris and and you know that was like
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: as you guys were kids backstage, you guys essentially had
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: like a real friendship. Can you just speak to like
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: what it was like growing up with Dom backstage? And
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: I think you said that your first movie you learned
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: was The six one nine.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I didn't even learn it. I just did it.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: You were just doing it.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: We were just doing it because one time I remember
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: it was Raymistereo versus my dad. They were going over
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: their stuff and uh, I seen rages like he was
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: practicing it. Yeah, and bro, I just got up it
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: and I just did it. That was like the first
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: move I naturally just did before them job for all
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: the others, you know the Simon's, but that was my
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: first move. But growing up with Don backstage, it was
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: really fun, like that was that was out of my
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: whole childhood being backstage. That was the only memory that
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: like I can really remember because it was literally just
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: me and him running around backstage having fun, eating whatever
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: what we want to do. The catering at these shows
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: that's the first place we go to.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: W B catering is special dog yeah yeah.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: And being backstage with him because my first year of
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: traveling with my dad, I wasn't with him. It was
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: like my second year. And then I saw the hanging.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, who is this?
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: And this isick?
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I put two and two together. I was like
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: this Remisterio's son. And then my dad and m Steel
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: were already close, so that me and him we got close.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: And then he has another sister named Aliah. She was
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: also part of our group. Too.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Back then, you guys just be running around backstage doing whatever.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like literally whatever we wanted to do.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Did you guys ever get in trouble? Yeah yeah, bro,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: we always get in trouble, yo, kick these fucking kids.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all types of stuff. I used to steal,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: like I still h what's his name John Cena's tape
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: on purpose and put it in my dad's luggage, and
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: then my dad used I used to always hear my
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: dad like, hey, you guys didn't see us seen as
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: a tape. So I remember that because I used to
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: still have purpose though, But nah, it was fun. That
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: was like as far as being backstage, That's all I
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: really remember is being with Down and we had we
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: had fun, man, so fun.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: How are you guys relationship nowadays? Are we cool? Yeah?
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah yah yeah we tapped in. I tapped in with
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: so when I came home from the Pion man he
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: was uh. He was like one of the very few
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: people that embraced me, and I was I was nervous
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to meet him because I didn't know if he remember me.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: Remembered hey man, like some moments a kids bro like
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: facts and I was away, you know, I spent all
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: my high school and you know, all my younger uh
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: teens and concerrated.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Man. So I was like, damn, man, I hope he
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: remembers me. And then whenever I take him, he was like, bro,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I do remember you. And then he was like, bro,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: what are you doing this weekend? And it was I
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: won't forget it. It was Roy Rumblo san Antonio. He
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: was like, pull up, I got you, pull it up.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: He took care of me.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: That's fire. Yeah, It's been dope to watch him kind
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: of go through his own evolution and oh he does.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: He has.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: He has a lot of potential. He's gonna you know,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: remember when I asked you before we started recording, who's
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the five to ten year superstar? He's He's part of that.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Conversation to us. Well, I think to what's dope about
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: seeing Dom? It's like I feel like the same thing
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: with with with Jacob. It's like fans just want you
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: all to be yourselves. Yeah, like Jacob when you when
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: he started we broke away from solo and he started
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: doing the yacht and I mean, and I'm like, that's
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the most he is the most bay Arey ass motherfucker ever.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Like I know, he's from Sack but it's like northern,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: It's like North call Ship. It's like he.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Gonna put off for that North Calin man, he gonna
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: put on. I love it. I love it same way
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I'm put on for Houston though.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had a whole fucking thing with the Texans, right, yes, sir, Yeah,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I mean that's such a big deal to be an
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: indie wrestler and have a situation with the NFL team.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Facts. So I remember when I got the
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: DM from I thought it was fake. I thought it
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: was a spam, and then I went to go look,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I clicked their page. I seen like all the ogs
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: who I was following following them wow, And I was like, oh, okay,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: this is really them. But speaking about all my accomplishments, man,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: that's that's probably like my most monumental one to me
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: because that's where I'm from, you know, and to have
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: my own city, have my own you know, state, and
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: my favorite football team to acknowledge me that that lets
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: me know that I'm doing something right with myself and
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: my brand. So that was that. That was I that
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: was like my first eye opener to like, eyebruh, Like
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: you're on a something, just keep going and keep you know,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: staying consistent and networking with the right people.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: When do you feel like you because I can imagine
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: like I have, like a lot of my families done
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: hard time in prison. I'm talking about twenty years. Like
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: my cousin Sheldon been in and out of the pen
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: running the Mexican mafia in Arizona, fir. He's locked up
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: right now. I don't think he's gonna get out to you.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: So so you already know what it's like when somebody comes
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: home and the temptation and all that.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: But the thing is is, I've seen the whole shit, right.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: It's like you come home and you have the idea
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: to want to do the right thing. Yeah, that's everyone.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Very few people get out of prison and are on bullshit.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: They get out of prison, they're like, I'm gonna get
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: my shit together. But the problem is is then you
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: have the temptation of the old friend group tapping in
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: and just going back to what you know, you know
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And some people become institutionalized where if
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: you're in prison for six years, that's a big chunk
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: of your life at that point. So you're damn near
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: in prison close to half of your life, you know
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's a very hard thing to
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: adjust to normal life. Again, when did you feel like
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you were able to kind of was it a quick
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: transition where you were able to shed the instant But
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: because that prison lifestyle, it sticks with you, bro, And
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: then the way you might deal with disrespect is a
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: lot different than a normal motherfucker who might deal with disrespect. Yeah,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and now you're a public figure, so it's like, do
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: you feel like it took you a while to kind of,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I guess become a civilian again?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, it took me a while. So it took
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: me like four months to lead a house like I
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: literally was standing or just staying in my in my
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: brother's apartment every day, doing the same shit every day.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Because that is you got you on your program.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Man, and yeah, yeah, and the fact that I didn't
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: know that I could go out, I mean I knew,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: but like you said, institutionalized. I was just so used
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: to being in this small area where I can't move
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and you know, it's been six years. That's a lot
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: and it takes a while to break. And it took
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: me like four or five months to like really get
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: into it. I didn't even know how to work my
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: iPhone when I came home, so like my mom my brothers,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: they had to show me how to work that. And
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: then when I found out Bro they had Uber eats
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Bro and we can get our food delivered to the
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: front door. I was like, oh, and I ain't gotta
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: go nowhere. My brother just got a new PS what
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: was it five? Bro? I was on there, I was
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: playing video game Bro. I had everything at the crib
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and I thought I was good. But you know, like
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I said, when I woke up that one day, I
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: was like, Damn, I'm broke. I'm still staying on mama's couchs.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I ain't got nothing going for me, Like what what's
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: gonna change? What what's gonna happen? And that's when I decided.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I was like, nah, I gotta I gotta make some shake.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: But nah, it was it was. It was still hard,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: and it's still hard, uh me adjusting back in society
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: because there's there's sudden there's certain stuff that happens to
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: me in prison that I'm able to like, Okay, I
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: can shake off, but out here it's like you gotta
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: have a lot of discipline, you know, to like not
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: do the bad stuff or not just move off emotions,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: you know. So right now I'm just prioritizing my peace
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and my mental right now.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Tell me about Saint Petersburg, Florida, Royal Rumble. I'm oh, come,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Me and my son are in the same row as
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you and Jacob and you guys were fucking toasted.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Hey, man, have in mind, No heaven mine was. We
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: did not know who the fuck we were sitting around.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: We didn't even know.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Guys were so faded and I forget what something happened
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: where one of y'alls family members did something good and
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: y'all was standing on the You guys are losing your
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: fucking mind.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Man, take this out. Sleep. Shout out to the yat
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: man man for the tickets. But uh, anyways, they told
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: us they was all right. It was we need y'all
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: to pull up, but it was have them out. We're independent, right, right,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: and we just got done with a show, right and
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: then uh, it's Royal Rumba weekend, so everybody's literally outside downtown.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just turning up.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and guess what we did.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: We were turning up with him what was the drink
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: of choice that night? Was it?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Every dang, every dang everything. We wasn't We wasn't missing
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: out on nothing. The fans came up, come on, we're
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: just having a good time, and that's that's what it was.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: We went to the show as a fan. We didn't
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: go to, for sure, to shows as wrestlers. Yeah, we
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: went to as fans, and we were so excited, so happy.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And not only that, that whole weekend was my first
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: tag team match that I ever did in my whole career. Wow, yeah, yeah,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: shout out to the main event. It was against them,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: and uh it was me and Jacob versus them. So
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: that was like a huge monumental weekend for me too.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: But hell yeah it was. We didn't know nobody around.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Come to find out, a few days later, we were
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: sitting next to Naomi's parents and I felt so bad
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: because I didn't even say hi. I didn't even introduced
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: my wasn't none of that. I just said, excuse me,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: excuse me.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we're in laws. Yeah yeah, funny.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: But nah, we got it was fun, you know, obviously
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: we got lit. But it was so good, you know,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: seeing Jay usso and Jimmy Usso pop off the the
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: rod rumble Man. It was. That was dope.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: How often do you go back and watch your dad's
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: matches every day?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Every day? I literally watch it on the way here.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I watch him and Jeff Hardy him and Sina him
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and Punk. I study you know him for sure, he's
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: he's probably like my main one that I study him
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: in Dusty Roads. I go back and forth.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like your dad is also like very when
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: we talk about just you know, the legacy of Umaga
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: is a very underrated guy. Do you feel like you
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: have to kind of also feel some responsibility to carry
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: on the legacy. Now, the bigger you get, more people
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: will go back.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: And be like, let me go watch some movie now
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: facts and that's what's happening. And I promise you they
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: my dad's gonna get his flowers. Whenever I get done
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: doing what I'm doing, he gonna get his flowers, and
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get my flowers. But right now, it's it's
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: it's uh, it's more of a making the right pivot
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: at the right time. And I think if wwe you know,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: whenever they're willing to make that phone call, I'm ready
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: if you asked me this last year, I would say no,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: But you ask me now, I'm ready. I'm ready.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Can you speak to somebody who's a big fan of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: yours within the company? Is Paul Hayman.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the og man, It's the wise man
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: for our family.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Paul. What is something that you've been
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: able to because I know you guys talk every once
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: in a while. What is something that you know, some
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: advice that Paul's given you? Because I'm sure, like you said,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the call is gonna come. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: matter of time. Is there anything Paul's like giving you
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: game on, like hey try this, or hey I got
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: an idea for this, or you know, maybe you should
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: do this. Is there any any real game that Paul's
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: giving you?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Hell?
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just grind. Let your work speak for yourself. Yeah,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: stop all that, you know, going on these podcasts and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: just you know, talking your hype or popping your shit.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Just let your work speak for yourself. And that's what
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: me and my team are doing. You know, we're in
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: the process of right now of being undeniable. I don't
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: want to you know, I don't want to be good.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be our, right, I want to
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: be great. Yeah, I want to be Underniabel And that's
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: the process of what we're doing right now. And Paul,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: he plays a pivoted role and all this right now.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm just being patient and trusting the process right
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: now and just leaving up to my team and believing
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: in my team too, because without my team, I would
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: not be here swear for real.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah you are. You have a real team, yeah, a
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: real team yeah. Yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And aside of all my independent wrestlers, man, you need
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: a team. You can't do it by yourself.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: You got a content guy like you got. I mean,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that's ship that I feel like if you are in indie, like,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: you got to kind of take invest in your brand.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: You do?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: You do? Uh? And you know a lot of wrestlers
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: when we come into this business, we're told to focus
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: only on the wrestling. I was never okay with that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I thought like, okay, so if the rest if the
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: wrestling fans always going to be here, how can I
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: captivate all these other fans that never heard of the
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: product or let alone.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Watch the product?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Right, how could I captivate them and bring them over here?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Like you want people who are just Zilla fans,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, or or fans that used to watch wrestling
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: stop watch wrestling. How could I bring them back and
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: bring them back here?
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's I'm the representation of all that, you know.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So can you talk.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: To this Uh you know, we were talking a little
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: bit before the podcast started about Fourth Rope, which is
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: West Side Gun and Smoked Dizziness promotion and how uh
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: dope it is what they're doing. I mean, you're the champ.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Can you just speak to like, because I feel like
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of people might have initially looked like, yeah,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Guns a wrestling fan. It feels like a hobby of his,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: but he is really this is a real thing, Like, yeah,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the Fourth Rope shit is super legit. I feel like
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: they put on some of the best indie shows, if
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: not the best indie shows. Can you just talk about
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: that promotion and your experience like behind the scenes with
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: those guys.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: So the Fourth Rope. Fourth Rope was created by West
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Side Gun and Smoked dism It's a before it before
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: it became wrestling identity, it was a it was a
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: merch line. It was like a clothing Yeah, that's all.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: That's all the boys and then you know what was
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: it? It was like a year ago, two years ago there.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: We started this when Wes called you. Yeah, so like
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: two years ago, you know, Wes and Smoke and the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Fourth Rope Team they got together and was like, hey,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: we need to turn this clothing line into actual wrestling thing.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: And uh, we did our first show in Chicago and
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: they did great. They did great. We sold like three
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: thousand tickets, and selling three thousand tickets on the first
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: show is huge, huge, and uh, you know, he was
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: able to get Joe Hendry on there. There's a lot
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: of other wrestlers too that was part of the shows.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: And what they're doing is is basically just combining I
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even say just hip hop. I would say music
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: in general, because with Wes, he brings not only rappers
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: but other artists.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, other artists, fashion icon, yeah, all that.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And he's taken all that that he has and he's
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: bringing the wrestling all that together, right, And you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: when we first cranked it off, we didn't know where
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  Speaker 2: we were gonna, you know, end up we're still like,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: we're still on the come up right now, and we
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: have a lot of potential. We have a dope roster.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Philly Show just went crazy.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Philly Show just went crazy. And man, I'm
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: super excited to see where this fourth Rope thing goes
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: because I feel like, you know, out of all the promotions, man,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: fourth rope, damn near has the most potential.
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  Speaker 1: everything fashion, music, et cetera, combined with wrestling, it's like,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: you know, it makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: It makes sense because you have Wes he's actually an
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  Speaker 2: like me who's on a come up, Who's who's who's
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  Speaker 2: who's killing it, and who has damn they're the most
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  Speaker 2: potential to all the independent wrestlers, and you put all
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  Speaker 2: of us together and that's what we're creating.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Talk to me, man, right now. Backlash is coming up
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  Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. You're gonna be out there.
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  Speaker 1: I saw doing a signing, Yes, sir man.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to Batista and his team, and shout out
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: to John for allowing me to do my meet and
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  Speaker 2: gree at their tattoo shop.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: But listen, you're there's your boy, Jacob's going against Roman. Yeah,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: this is a big deal.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Of course, family business.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Now that there's the first family, which would appear to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: be the USO's in Roman and verse. Jacob, who is
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: just right now he's alone, running by himself in a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: hypothetical world than which Jacob had his own.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: You're damn right, I'm right there, of course, yeah, I'm
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: right there.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Who else would be in it? Probably just just too Yeah, yeah,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: it's all you need. Probably just us too. Yeah yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: But as far as like you know, when it comes
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: to the family business, it's all about respect what we're
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: fighting for. Yeah, it's all about respect. And a lot
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: of people think that it's about the belt. I mean
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: kind of is, but it's really not. When it comes
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: to us, it's about our culture, right, and it's about
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: us putting on for our culture, uh, in our way.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: You know, I also feel like you guys aren't supposed
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: to be here kind of which is.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Like, nah, you're right, you know what I'm saying, right,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: because when I when I walk into certain place, I'm like, bro,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: am I supposed to be here? Like the other day
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: he went to the country club, Like somebody in Dallas
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: at this boogie spot, everybody's looking like that, Are you
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: supposed to be here?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Brother?
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Every time everywhere I.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Walk I feel like that, right, Yeah, that's got to
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: be dope though, for you to just like like, just
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: as somebody who you know, I've see outside of the
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: family situation, somebody who came up with going against Roman
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: for the belt and just I thought he had. I
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: thought Jacob's last two promos are the best promos he's
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: ever cut.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you can't be you can't be mad at him, man, Yeah,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: because that's what That's what anybody would want. Why not
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: have a you know, a better education for your kids.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Why not have a bigger house for your kids? And
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: you know, the shoe deals and all that, why not
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I want that too.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I want to talk to you. You and MJF had
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a crazy match and I thought it was. I think
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: it's like MJF is like one of those guys who
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: is a superstar wherever he's at. How do you prepare
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: for a match like that with a guy like MJF.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And like I saw him give it up to you
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: at the end and show respect to you at the
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: end of the match in the ring. Talk about like
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a match like that where it's like world's colliding like
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: a aw guy and you. Those kind of matches don't
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: really happen, So how do you prepare for that?
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: And that's the beauty of these independent companies like how
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: also Glory and Fourth Row right, we're able to do
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: stuff like But back to your question, Oh so I
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: treat this like every other fight, like there's there was
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: no different. I mean, I obviously you know MJF is
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: a superstar in his own little world, but uh, I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: treated like every other match, and I feel like with
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: him when he dropped that promo, that's when I started like, okay,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: hold on, I needed I need to respond, you know,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: But not every respond you know, not every everybody who
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: like shoots their shot to me, they don't deserve my
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: energy to respond. But MJF, it hit home with me.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: So that's what made me respond. I was like, hold on,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I gotta say something to this guy because he's damn
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: near the biggest one over there at A Yeah. So
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, hold on, he's the biggest superstar over there.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Let me let me go cook with him. See what
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: we can create?
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Did you guys how? Because you know, for people who
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: don't know you, guys will have some sort of like
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: loose planning of a match. He's you're traveling, he's traveling.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Do you guys go through any of the spots like
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: right before you guys on I hop on the hop
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: on a call or is it all you guys just
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: figuring it out everything on the fly? Wow, dude, that's impressed.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Fly Fly, that's fire fly.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: That's it MJF.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Fly. Do you feel like you would ever entertain AW
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: if WW takes too long? Uh?
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Ask that question again?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Would you ever entertain going to a W if WWE
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: takes too long to make the call?
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: No? I think I think, Uh my heart is with
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: the E.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean here, it's where your family is.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm not gonna break that cycle. I respect it,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Come on, I respect it. And then not only that
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I got, I got unfinished business as far as with
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: my dad's legacy to fulfill.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: You that's why. Yeah, that's the company.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So I want to go over there and
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: turn that ship up and and you know, at the
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: same time, uh, you know, build my own brand.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: And then when you're when you're growing up, like like
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: who was like your guy, your dad's guy in the
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: locker room? Like who is his boy?
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Jeff Hardy?
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Man, come on, Jeff Hardy makes sense. You obviously come
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: out with Hardy's face paint on it. Yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people didn't like that, but I
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: don't care.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I know that she was fire.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but uh nah, Jeff Hardy. Jeff Hardy was
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: my favorite growing up, right. Mysterio was my favorite growing up.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Eddie Guerrero was my favorite growing up. Shot to Eddie, man, Yeah,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: shot to Eddie, shout shout to him, and uh who else?
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Who else? And I just he's one of my favorites. Now,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Dusty Rose.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Dusty's a guy.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Dusty Yeah, man, y'all better give him his flowers. Man,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: he definitely he's up there. So I got Dusty, and
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I hate to see it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Booker t.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I just hate to see it.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I respect it is it kind of like a crazy
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: full circle moment, like being able to like, like, I'm
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: sure Jeff remembers you as a little kid being backstage
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and now he's on entry yours. Do you feel like
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: he's kind of like an extension of your pop so key?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Like he is ousen man. Whenever I fir linked up
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: with him, it was out of fourthrow show out sat
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: By Southwest, and when I got around him, I kind
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: of felt like my dad was around right, you know.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: So when I first chopped it up with him, I
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: felt I felt like a little kid again, And it
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: was a full circle moment for me because all the
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: questions I had growing up and I never was able
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to ask my dad. I asked him that, right, and
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: he gave me the answers because he was there. He
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: was there every step of the way, like literally every
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: step of the way with my dad. Him and my
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: dad was like literally like this on the road. And
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: for him to you know, be my friend, my mentor
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I really consider him family too as well. For him
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: to like help me get to where I'm at and
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: still drop give me gems and give me his time,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: that means the world to me, you know, because I
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: know he can be doing thousands of other things. But
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: the fact that you know when I whenever I text him,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: whenever I call him, he's always tied back in. Yeah,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: he always.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's like there's this thing with Jeff that
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: like a whole new generation of kids have like discovered him. Yes,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Like my son's best friend is like the biggest Jeff
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Hardy mark and he's nineteen.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: He went to freaking wrestle con paid for the meat
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and green and then paid for it again. Ww world.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, He's like, well, I took one with
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the Hardys and then one with just Jeff. I bought
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the fucking painting. Jeff Hardy's out here, Payton shit.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: But Jeff Hardy, Jeff Hardy's bigging than Obama.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Bro, come on, it's crazy. Come on, who would you
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: say your in ring style is like like who influenced
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: your current style the most? Like how you get down
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: in between the ropes? Who do you take from the most?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Right now, I'm going with Great Muda and uh Jake
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: the Snake Ja Snake. I'm going with those two. And
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: then I'm starting to I'm starting to like incorporate Dusty
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Rose charisma into my shit too, like instead of me
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: being the monster, which I know I could be. Like,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: there's certain times where you just gotta flip the switch sometimes.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: And I wanted to add I love Dusty Rose because
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: he's literally his nickname mister Charisma, and that's what you
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: need to be successful in this business hundred And that's
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: what I'm going for. You know, it's not it's not
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: really about the moves and none of that. I'm going
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: for personality, charisma, and you know, the ability to work
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: all angles because there's a difference between TV wrestling and
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: indie wrestling. Indie wrestling, you're just working towards more of
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the crowd. TV wrestling, we're working towards that little hard
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: camera that you guys probably don't see, that's all in
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: the back, yep. And uh yeah, that's so I'm focused
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: on like the TV stuff right now.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like almost like you could do all the
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: craziest moves in the world and like have a very
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: good career wrestling indies or not. But it's like you
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: got to cut through to the people if you want
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: to be like on the truck.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: That's a high bar and speaking of that, Jeff Hardy
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: done set the bar high, higher than ever. So you
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: guys got to meet that, if not excel that when
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: it comes to like the.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Mic work and the little things like I'll hear like
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: like I've been around some of the conversations where it'll
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: be like you'll hold a look with the camera, yeah,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: or like there's like the way in the middle of
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a match, the way you do storytelling, like you get
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: frustrated or you know, the facial expressions. How like how
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: important is that? Do you think it's more important to
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: be able to tell a story and have really good
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: mic work charisma than it is to have like the
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: craziest bag in course of course.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will go with first of all, you got
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: to be marketable. Yeah, you got to be marketable. If
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: you're not marketable, you're in your own business, right all right? Now,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: As far as like what was the question again, just like.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: What do you know? Obviously it's important to do both,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: but would you say the charisma, the promo cutting that
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: kind of shit is more equally as important as your
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: talent in the ring.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, So as far as this is my as far
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: as me growing up, I don't remember the matches. I
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: don't remember the matches. I don't remember noo that. You know.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: What I do remember is the promos, the moments, the story,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: and what the promo does is it amplifies the story,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: right because it doesn't make sense if me and you
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: are wrestling every week and we don't have no direction,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: we don't have no you know, story, we don't have
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: no setting, we don't have no you know what? Why?
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: How all that? You know? And I feel like right now,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: in today's business, you have to have charisma and personality
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: and that's what's going to get you over. It's not
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the moves. Like the moves is the last thing. The
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: end ring stuff is like the last thing. And I
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: feel like your personality it needs to, you know, speak
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: for your your brand and it needs to your brand
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: needs your personality needs to represent your brand for sure,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: you know. And that's what I'm trying to figure out
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: right now. So I don't have it figured out right now,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: but I'm still just trying to, you know, figure out
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: who Zilla Fatu is and just get better and better.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Which H Town rapper do you think would make the
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: best wrestler or manager?
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Max O Cream Max o Cream max O cream Man,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: max o Cream, Uh.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Sauce walk I think be great too, Yeah, yeah, would
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: be cool. Walk as a manager would be crazy.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I said Max because me and him, like,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: that's one of my close homes, right guy and all
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: that he's he's uh, he's worked before at Booker T school.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Really yeah, me and him. It was actually against Booker
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: T and his jabbronis. It was me and max O
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Cream yeah versus Booker T and his Jabebroni's and we
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: beat him. Wow. Yeah yeah, so, uh you never know
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: what you o T.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like could take a I mean he could.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: He takes a bull, he could take he could take
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: a he could take a table. Oh you put him
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: through a table?
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Me and o T put him through the table.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah that was him.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, you.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Went through the table. Cameraman be fucking up. Sometimes you
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: gotta pu him thro fucking tape.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: They do, yeah, they do, they do.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Who's your favorite H Town rappers all time? Give me
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: your top five right now? Got you said five all time?
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: All time? I got Scarface, I got zero, I got sauce,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: I got mmmm, I got one. Mom, I got two more.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Does Ot count?
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's from fucking I mean from.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: He's from Bay City. But he's still saying, yeah, I
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: got I got OT up there too. Did I say
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: MAXO already?
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: No?
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Max?
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: It will be five yeah, shot to zero.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Man shot out the row Man, shot at the road.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: How how how important is it? Because I feel like
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: being an independent wrestler has to kind of be similar
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: to being like an independent rapper. Yep, you got to
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: figure out different revenue streams, like talk to me about
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: because there'd be like, uh, what's the wrestling t shirt company?
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: The pro wrestling teas, and like like how do you
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: maximize your income streams as an independent wrestler?
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: First of all, I don't go to no pro wrestling
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: teas and none of that. Everything I do is in house,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: so straight to your website, exactly straight. But yeah, everything
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I do, I can only what I'm saying right now
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: is for me. I can't speak for any other independent wrestler,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: but for us, everything is in house. Who's so our marketing,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: our traveling, our tickets, our hotels.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: You book everything yourself.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Everything comes out of my pocket.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm saying, like, how important is it to
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: be able to go to Mania weekend and just get
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: a bag all weekend.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: It's very important. Yeah, I mean it's not it's not
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: even just a bag. As an independent wrestler, going to
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: these events like this, it's more of expanding your brand.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: It's more of networking. It's more of seeing who you know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: who could like amplify your brand and who could like
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: take your brand to the next level. So every event
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: or every city I go to, our network at work
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: is very important. And as an independent wrestler, you try
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: not to rely on anybody or anything you know. So
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: that's the that's what we're doing. We're not We're not
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: trying to rely on nobody. We're trying to build our
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: own yeah, and build our own machine.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I want to ask your opinion on a couple of
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: things that are WW related right now. What were your
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: thoughts on, uh, the celebrity involvement during Mania this year.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: A lot of fans were not happy with Pat Man.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I hated I hated it.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they should have brought him Bad Bunny if they
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: were gonna bring in anyone. I hated it man, But yeah,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: they should have kept Pat out the way.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: They didn't need. I feel like with Randy and Cody.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: You didn't need it. Randy don't need nobody. Many Cody either,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: he don't. They don't need nobody. And then if somebody
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: was gonna get involved, it should have been a junior.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: It should have been Teddy yass junior?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Would I agree?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: That would have been bro? I hate That's who I
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: was waiting.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: When he was saying there's more than one real family
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: in wrestling.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, that's what I was waiting on.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: It was, and you know, when it didn't happen, and
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: then not only that, I thought Randy was going over
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: too with the punt.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: So when I seen that and I was like, fuck,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: but uh yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: But it's very like, it's very very important for us
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: independent wrestlers not to like just rely on you know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: other people's words of mouth and none of that. Like
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: you have to you gotta stand on your own, you
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: have to build your own machine, you gotta storry YouTube channel,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: you gotta stream like in today's society, to be successful,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: you have to do more than five things.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Well, somebody else I want to ask you about who
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've rubbed shoulders with it a lot of
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: these conventions. Is Dan Housen. What are your thoughts on
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: this Dan housing phenomenon. This guy's been putting in work,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: releasing comic books, doing the merch shit, running the indies
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: in his own way. What are your thoughts on.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Dan Housenbian Man, I love Dan Housen. Man, Dan Housen,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: you know he blessed me. He ain't cursed me. He
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: blessed me. But uh, Dan Housen.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: When I was on the indies, when I first started,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: you know, back to the indie talk, Dannhausen was like
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: one of the very first rustlers too that embrace me.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: And Jacob introduced me to Danausen, so it was really
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: cool and having mine it was I never seen that
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: guy without the face paint, so I didn't even know
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: what he looked like. Right, and then at this one event,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I think it was Russell Kay or Russell Khan. I
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: was next to him, but he didn't know. I didn't know,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and I felt so bad. But it's all side to
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: da Housen shid out to loose. Please don't curse me.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Hell loll okay, let's talk about Roman right now. Roman
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: is I feel like when he's got the belt, it's
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: good for business. Where do you put Roman in the
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: all time great convo?
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Number one?
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: He's number one ever, Overseena, over Hogan, Overstone Cold.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's number one. What do you think about
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I got him and rock him and the Rock? Yeah,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I got him a Rocky. They number one for sure.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Shout to the rock. Do you think Rock's greatest on
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: the mic? Ever? Yeah?
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I think the only person who's better is Paul Hayman.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: But Paul Hayman's outrestman doesn't.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly there he goes there you go.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: But the greatest ever, I feel like Haymd is the bro.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: When Hayman comes out and his eyes are all red,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: he looks like he's been putting himself through ship just
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: so we can look crazy on rock.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: I mean he asks, yeah, he does? You know all
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: all the material?
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: And so if you got Roman in the rock, do
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: you how do you complete your five?
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Oh? So you want to get you?
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Roman Rock?
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: So I got Roman Rock, Dusty Roads, Dusty Eddie Gurero,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: lookert T.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: You're a big dusty guy telling you is this more recent?
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Like you've gone to it is?
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: It is it is recent. I'm telling y'all, Dusty Rose
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: inspired me so much and uh, such.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: A relatable guy. That's what. People loved him because he
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: was a working man. He was he's a plumber.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and all my promos going forward, it's like this
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: inspiration off him.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: You gotta tell Cody that when you see him next.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now I will, I will. And it sucks, man,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: because I wish how I was. I've been on Dusty,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: but you know, as a young and I wasn't. I
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: wasn't into that. All I knew was Jeff Hardy and
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: John Cena thugonomics and that's it.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: What about Roman do you think? Because I feel like
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Roman has you know, I mean, if we think about
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: all the way back to the Shield, there's been so
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: many errors of his career. But what is it about
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Roman in particular that you feel like makes him to.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Go number one? But adds and seats. Yeah, I can't
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: beat that, right business right number two? I think I
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: think the man is just in his own lane. I
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: think the man is Hen Jordan. Yeah, he has twelves
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: are dropping. He has his own art too. And I
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: remember when I when I watched The Last Russel mating
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: with him the punk. I felt like I was watching
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: the opera. Oh that was one of the best route
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: that was Seampunk's best WrestleMania.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Well, that was one of the best WrestleMania matches ever.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, it's like a top five WrestleMania with
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: the build up.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: And everything else going into it.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, storytelling within the match, yeah, and just there was
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: no outside bullshit. It's just those two motherfuckers getting down.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And uh yeah. So I just feel like Rumans
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: in his own little lane and for him to like
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: number one, uh play ass and season the number two,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: overcome leukemia twice. Yeah, No, for sure, I think I
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: think that says a lie and I think he's.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: And also overcome all the heat because a lot of
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: fans did not like him because he felt like they
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: were like.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they were trying to do the Scena effect, right,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: they were trying to do that. But you know, that's
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: that's that's what comes with this business for sure. You know,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: you got to see what works and what doesn't. If
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: the fans go this way, Hey, we don't have to
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: go that way with you guys.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I just remember, like I was like, we're watching I
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: was at Media and we're in the suite watching the Roman,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: and I was like, this motherfucker's in the best shape
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: of his life. Can you imagine they used to put
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: a fucking bulletproof vest on this guy, Like this fool
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: is fucking he got the body of a god. And
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Vince McMahon had his motherfucker running around looking like a
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: SWAT team member.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it was all I'm sure it was
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: all a perception thing, right, you know, having him keep
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: it on or maybe he probably you never know, Roman
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: probably just wanted it on because he didn't he didn't
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: have that done yet.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Have you been able to chop it up and throw
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: him at all, get any game from him? Or is
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: that something that hasn't happened yet or no, not yet?
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, not yet. I liked I like that. Can
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: I like how you did? I like how he milked
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: everything and then he goes into this.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but nah, he.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I see him every now and then you
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: know it's not we don't tap in every day, like
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: how me and Jacob right.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Right right, right right? Well you and Jacob are close. Yeah, yeah,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like just I mean and I feel like
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's like this thing where it's like
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: just because everybody is a part of the quote unquote bloodline,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: it's like, you guys definitely did not grow up together.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean we all dig together. It's just
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: all of us went our separate ways, right. You know.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: As far as with Jacob, Jacob always usued to get
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: in trouble as a youngin so out. Yeah, so his
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: parents send him down there to stay with my dad
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: and us. Wow, And you know he loved my dad.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: You know, my dad took care of him. Not only that,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: took care of the USO, took care of Joe. And
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: so that's how like I got close with Jacob Roman
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: and the ussos are like fifteen years twenty years older
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: part or fifteen years older than me. Yeah, so that
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: was like a big that's a generational gap exactly. So
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: I wasn't with him. I was with Jacob and Solo
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: and my brothers. So that's why I didn't really have
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: the connection I have with Rooman or the USOS. But
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: you know, right now, man, we're just rebuilding. And you know,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: I think I think for them to see me come
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: home from prison, they just wanted to see if I
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: take a serious serious.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're like, yo, we can't embrace this guy,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: and then he walks off and ends up back in jail.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Facts, and you know, not only that, they already went
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: through all the stuff they went through with Jacob and
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: they didn't want to go through all that with me.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: And you know, I stuck through it. I put my
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: head down, I listened to Paul Hayman, and I grind it.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm still grinding, you know, And I'm just being
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: patient and I'm just I'm really just trusting the process
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: right now, all.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Right, dude. So look, it's I feel like it's gonna
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: be a big rest of the year for you, for us,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: for us, for us. So come on, I loll you
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: got when obviously you have a match tonight defending this title.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Yep, speaking of family business, I'm about to whoop my
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: cousin's ass lance on Hawaii. Do you know who that is?
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: No?
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Good, keep it that way good, But.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, we're gonna put it into it. The last
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: five months has been a roller coaster with him. I
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: don't know why, you know, he gets involved, his hands
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: involved in the main one's business. But hopefully after I
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: whoop his ass, tonight I get an answer.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Fourth Rope. I'm sure it's got a show coming soon,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and they always got I mean, they just did Philly.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to say this, but I don't care.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: I'm the champ of Fourth Rope. We'll be in New
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Orleans July fourth. We'll be in New Orleans July fourth,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: so everybody down there. It's gonna be my first time
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: wrestling in Louisiana. Let alone hosts our very first Fourth
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Rope event down there, uh in Louisiana. So it's gonna
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: be dope. Man, make you guys pop out.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Do you.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Remember when you actually coined the what was the main
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: one mantra? When did you land on that?
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: After I whopped Enzo Morey's ass in Atlanta at Fourth Rope,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: that match man with him, he just he just took
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: my psychology level to a whole different level. And you know,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: before I got, before like getting to Enzo, I thought
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: the moves was everything. I thought I had to do.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: All the cool ship. I thought I had to do
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: all the Lucas ship. I thought I had had to
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: do everything that everybody that great. Yeah I could, And
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: that's the thing I learned. I learned backwards. I learned
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: to do the hardcore ship first and then all the
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: basic fundamentals. But yeah, that's what the fuck we were
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: No, we're just talking about you coming up with the
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: main one.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so I say after Inzoe, after I whooped
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: his ass, and uh, you know, leading up to that,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: I thought it was all about the moves, but it
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: wasn't until I got to that venue and me and
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: him sat down and we chopped it up. And then
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: not only that, man, I did my research on Enzo,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: like Enzo.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: All time mic worker exactly, just Jesus like he had
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: he was so over, he had so much potential. Dude,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: you know, shout out to Endel. He got done dirty.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's good to see him, you know,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: holding the title at fourth throw.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: And yeah, and not only that, he's helping out, man.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: He's helping out with the younger talent, he's helping out
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: with the staff, he's helping out with everywhere. Man. So
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: he's just trying to, you know, put his footprint on
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: the game. And it has to be that match because
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I remember that was actually like my first match. I
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: got really punched and he punched me and my ship,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Was like, oh, okay, this is it, let's go. Did
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: you give him a receipt?
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: I definitely did the receeat put his ass asleep? Hello,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: but yeah, and afterwards, man, that's that's when I was like, bro,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I'm the main one, like it's me and then yeah,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just taking it to ran with it, taking it
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: to another level so people can support you by merch
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: all that ship Zila fa two dot com. Yes, sir,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: y'all go tap in Azila fatu dot com and uh.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Signing coming up in Tampa Backlash weekend.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I got, I got Tampa. I'll be down there at Tampa. Damn.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: I don't even know the story.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I never know. You might even get you never know.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: It's Tampa.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, stay tuned.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: But all I know is if you come.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: Out, for Funck's sake, let's just not do the black
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: hoodie with the fucking poosh shisty wan. He's been using
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: the black hoodie poosh shisty ship for like nine months straight.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Just fucking come out.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah I will, I will, trust me. I ain't no
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: mask man, I don't need no mask man. They gonna
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: know me. I can't wait those.
• 57:53
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