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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast. The Hey Joe addition, as we
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Speaker 1: discuss Joe Burrow, other NFL draft prospects, and what the
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Speaker 1: data says about the Bengals roster with Pro Football Focus
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Speaker 1: analyst Austin Gale, we'll discuss the draft, free agency, and
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Speaker 1: Sunday Super Bowl matchup between the Chiefs and forty nine Ers,
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Speaker 1: And as the NFL celebrates its one hundredth season, we'll
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Speaker 1: do fun facts with one of two Bengals selected to
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Speaker 1: the NFL's all time team, offensive lineman Anthony Munio's. All
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Speaker 1: of that is straight ahead, but first, here's a quick
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Speaker 1: The most influential source of advanced statistics in football is
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Speaker 1: the website Pro Football Focus. It was founded in the
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Speaker 1: United Kingdom more than a decade ago, and then in
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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, former Bengals wide receiver Chris Collinsworth purchased a
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Speaker 1: majority stake in the company and moved it to downtown Cincinnati.
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Speaker 1: PF now has more than eighty full time employees and
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Speaker 1: provides data to all thirty two NFL teams, as well
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Speaker 1: as fans, fantasy football players, and people who are into
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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. This week, I met with one of
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Speaker 1: PF's top analysts about the draft, free agency, and Sunday
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We are hanging out in a downtown coffee
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Speaker 1: shop with Pro Football Focus analyst Austin Gale. There's construction
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Speaker 1: going on at PF and downtown Cincinnati, so we've moved
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Speaker 1: a few blocks away to talk about the draft, about
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and about the Bengals. Let's start with
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Speaker 1: a topic that's on every Bengals fans mind. Joe Burrow.
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Speaker 1: He had the highest rated season by a college quarterback
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Speaker 1: ever in the Pro Football Focus era. And we've all
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Speaker 1: seen the traditional stats seventy six percent completion percentage, sixty
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Speaker 1: touchdown passes, six interceptions. But how about some of the
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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus stats that demonstrate just how great he
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Speaker 1: was this year. Yeah, I mean to start with that
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Speaker 1: highest graded season ever in the PF college era. That's
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Speaker 1: dating back to twenty fourteen when we first started grading
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Speaker 1: college quarterbacks. And what really stands out for me is
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Speaker 1: that that grade came against SEC competition. You look at
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Speaker 1: this list of top fifteen seasons in the college era,
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Speaker 1: so much of it is in the Group of five,
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Speaker 1: so much of it is in the Big twelve. Joe
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Speaker 1: Burrow is one of two quarterbacks in the top fifteen
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Speaker 1: from the SEC Joe Burrow to Attack of Bloa. That's
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Speaker 1: what's really incredible for me, that level of competition. Doing
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Speaker 1: it against that level of competition is incredible. And as
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Speaker 1: for the stats that kind of go into that, really,
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Speaker 1: how you grade well in PFF system at the college
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Speaker 1: and NFL level is being accurate. Joe Burrow is the
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Speaker 1: most accurate college quarterback we've ever seen. Looking at throws
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Speaker 1: of ten plus are yards he had who was accurate
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Speaker 1: on target over sixty five percent of the time. The
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Speaker 1: previous record was Baker Mayfield at fifty six percent of
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Speaker 1: the time. This is absurd. You just don't see this
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Speaker 1: level of accuracy at the college level. Yes, he's an
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Speaker 1: older prospect, Yes he's kind of you know, doing it
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Speaker 1: in a very good something that Joe Brady had. But man,
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Speaker 1: this guy's really accurate, and that's really what put him
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Speaker 1: in another level from a grading perspective. We have coffee
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Speaker 1: beans being ground in the background. I'm glad you brought
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Speaker 1: up that ten air yards statistic because so many times
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Speaker 1: in college football we see these ridiculous completion percentages and
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Speaker 1: it's because they're throwing bubble screens, they're throwing sideways. Joe
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Speaker 1: Burrow pressed the ball down the field, Oh absolutely. And
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Speaker 1: talking to NFL guys, scouts and analysts and also media,
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Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Jeremiah, guys from the athletic they love
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Speaker 1: what PF data can do and what we can see
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Speaker 1: by separating that accut remove screens, remove play action. Look
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Speaker 1: at these throws on standard dropbacks ten plus yards down
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Speaker 1: the football field, and how does he grade out? Joe Burrow,
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Speaker 1: hands down the best quarterback in college football on these
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Speaker 1: NFL level throws. And you go beyond that, we can
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Speaker 1: sort and look at tight window throws. When he's fitting
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Speaker 1: it in two tight windows. How on target is he
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Speaker 1: again the most accurate quarterback in college football? And talking
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Speaker 1: to our data scientists here at PFF, George Johurri and
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Speaker 1: Air Eager, these guys see that accuracy at the college
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Speaker 1: level on target percentage or things that translate the most
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Speaker 1: most recently or most frequently to the NFL level. So
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Speaker 1: being accurate is so important and why it really ranks
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Speaker 1: high in our grading system. Our guest is Austin gayale
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Speaker 1: An analysts from Pro Football Focus. Are there any red
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Speaker 1: flags where Joe Burrow is concerned? Yeah, I think there's
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Speaker 1: two that come to mind. One, it's the age. He's
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Speaker 1: an older prospect. I think he'll turn twenty four here
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Speaker 1: pretty soon. But and that's a concern because you're going
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Speaker 1: to get some younger guys and like that experience in
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Speaker 1: that age and that maturity plays a factor in how
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Speaker 1: you develop. You compare him to a guy like to
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Speaker 1: a tongue of maloa who's had NFL ready pocket present
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Speaker 1: since he was eighteen years old. With Joe Burrow, that
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Speaker 1: can be a little bit of a concern. It's not
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Speaker 1: Brandon Weedon level of concerns he was coming out like
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Speaker 1: twenty eight, twenty nine, but age is something. If you
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Speaker 1: had to pull a red flag on a guy who's
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Speaker 1: going to be the number one overall bit come twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty draft, that is where I kind of sit. The
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Speaker 1: other one is the system. I mean, Joe Brady, there's
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Speaker 1: a reason he's coaching in the NFL right now. He
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Speaker 1: put together a system that really elevated Joe burrows game.
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Speaker 1: I think, however, accuracy, regardless of system, shows up when
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Speaker 1: you're accurate, not with the supporting cast or those things.
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Speaker 1: That's why we really feel comfortable pushing those red flags
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Speaker 1: a bit away, because if you're as accurate as Joe
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Speaker 1: Burrow is, I think that's really what's most impressive. How
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Speaker 1: does Joe Burrow compare to Tuah or Justin Herbert are
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Speaker 1: the other quarterbacks in this draft? Yeah? In this draft,
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Speaker 1: he's the best, and all the drafts that we really covered,
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Speaker 1: I think he's the best. He's the best college football
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Speaker 1: quarterback from a prospect perspective we've ever really seen. And
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Speaker 1: I think the comparisons between Tuah and Joe Burrow, it's
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Speaker 1: hard to not bring up the injury. There's so much
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Speaker 1: injury risk with to a tongue of iloa. I think
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Speaker 1: he's a great quarterback. He's the only quarterback and PFF
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Speaker 1: college era that's created above ninety point zero in back
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Speaker 1: to back seasons. That's how good this guy is. The
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Speaker 1: injury risk, however, puts him a tier. Blow also doesn't
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Speaker 1: have the arm talent that Joe Burrow has. There's some
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Speaker 1: inconsistent he's not as accurate. No one is as accurate
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Speaker 1: as Joe Burrow. And as for Justin Herbert, the concerns
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Speaker 1: the red flags in his game really are. It does
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Speaker 1: not rise to the occasion against good competition. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think he's not a game or in that regard.
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Speaker 1: I think he grades well on air. He looks great
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Speaker 1: and pads and should I in shorts and things like
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Speaker 1: six foot six, great hair, good looking kid, very smart dude.
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Speaker 1: But when you look at games against Utah, you look
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Speaker 1: at games against Arizona, these games were like, hey, this
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Speaker 1: is a muscle. The Auburn games start the season, he
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Speaker 1: does not rise to the occasion. He's not the reason
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Speaker 1: these organ Ducks win. But with Burrow, he's the reason.
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Speaker 1: I think that's why you feel more comfortable translating him
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Speaker 1: to the next level. Does PFF have a great hair metric?
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Speaker 1: We don't, But I mean, if I had to put
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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's on a scale, it's above ninety. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I saw him at the Senior Bowl. This guy's got
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Speaker 1: a good head of hair. We're talking to Ousten Gale
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Speaker 1: from Pro Football Focus. Is there a case to be
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Speaker 1: made for Chase Young number one overall? Part of me
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Speaker 1: wants to kind of dodge us a bit, but I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and say it. No, there is not
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Speaker 1: a case for Chase Shown to go number one overall. One.
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Speaker 1: We think Joe Burrows a better prospect. Two. Positional value matters.
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Speaker 1: It's something you cannot ignore. In the NFL, the quarterback
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Speaker 1: position moves the needle more than any other position on
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Speaker 1: the football field. It's the picture of the NFL. But
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Speaker 1: he plays every game, unlike your number one picture in baseball.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the positional value is again very similar to
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Speaker 1: goalies in the NHL, like you just don't get better
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Speaker 1: looking at PF's wins above replacement metric war and something
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Speaker 1: that we're selling the NFL and college teams now these
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Speaker 1: days looks at positional value and see ow that weighs
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Speaker 1: in the quarterback position oftentimes is eight to ten times
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Speaker 1: better than the best edge defender in football. That's like
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Speaker 1: the needle movers are quarterbacks. You don't a single defensive
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Speaker 1: player does not move the needle in the upward direction,
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Speaker 1: even if he is this generational talent, everyone thinks he
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Speaker 1: is like a quarterback does, even an average quarterback does
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Speaker 1: compared to a guy like Chaw And that shows in
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Speaker 1: the number one overall pick in the draft, and four
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Speaker 1: out of the last five years it's been a quarterback
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray last year, Baker Mayfield two years ago. You
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Speaker 1: had Miles Garrett in there the year before that, but
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Speaker 1: then Jared Goff and Jamis Winston. How does Joe Burrow
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Speaker 1: compare to those guys? Again, and I don't say this lightly,
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Speaker 1: but he is the best college football prospect we've seen
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Speaker 1: him better than Baker Mayfield. And PFF was high on
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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield the October before that draft, really loved what
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Speaker 1: he did and reason why we like Baker Mayfield where
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Speaker 1: a lot of the same reasons we like Joe Burrow.
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Speaker 1: Good inside and outside of structure, very accurate with the
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Speaker 1: football on these NFL throws. What's different is Joe Burrow
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Speaker 1: did it better, better from an accuracy standpoint, better on
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Speaker 1: those NFL throws, and he did it against SEC competition.
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Speaker 1: I don't say that lightly. Like I said, of the
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Speaker 1: top fifteen graded seasons at the college level, I want
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Speaker 1: to say only there's only two players in that top
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Speaker 1: fifteen that are from the SEC. It's Joe Burrow into
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Speaker 1: a tongue of bailo. I think other guys like Will
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Speaker 1: gree are Big twelve, Mason Fine, Group of five, Baker Mayfield,
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, those other guys are going against what is
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Speaker 1: unquestionably lower level competition. SEC is a different breed. More
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Speaker 1: NFL talent comes out of that conference than any other conference.
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Speaker 1: I think that's why we're really so high on Burrow.
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Speaker 1: We're talking to Austin Gale from Pro Football Focus. You
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Speaker 1: were in Mobile, Alabama for the Senior Bowl. Let's look
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Speaker 1: at this from a Bengals perspective. Who are some of
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Speaker 1: the guys who would be a good fit for Cincinnati. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think that's a good question. I think there's some
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Speaker 1: offensive line helped down Inmobile that really impressed me. Jonah Jackson,
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Speaker 1: the guard out of Ohio State who's a Rutger's transfer,
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Speaker 1: so not a lot of people knew about him till
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Speaker 1: he went Ohio State. Then he goes to Ohio State,
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Speaker 1: really really impresses down. Immobile guy is like really top heavy,
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Speaker 1: looks like he's got a mini fridge under his shoulder
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Speaker 1: pads and you're kind of scared of his lower half.
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Speaker 1: But he's got great balance, great in pass protection, a
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Speaker 1: malla in the run game. I think Bengals need offensive
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Speaker 1: line help. I know they have Jonah Williams coming back,
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Speaker 1: but they still need offensive line help. I think Jonah
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Speaker 1: Jackson was a name that stood out for me others there.
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Speaker 1: This receiving class is deep and it's very good. Michael Pittman,
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Speaker 1: junior of USC as a guy I think in the
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Speaker 1: second round starts to make sense for the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Speaker 1: kJ Hill Ohio State, had himself a week Inmobile, and
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Speaker 1: Denzel Mims. Of all three of those guys broke our
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Speaker 1: top one hundred after the Senior Bowl. I mean those
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Speaker 1: guys were really special players as well. So there were
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Speaker 1: guys that were not at the Senior Bowl for a
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Speaker 1: wide variety of reasons, maybe eligible juniors, things like that.
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Speaker 1: So when we're looking at the number one pick in
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Speaker 1: the second round, number thirty three overall, who do you
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Speaker 1: think might be there? Who are some of the guys
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Speaker 1: that you think the Bengals could be possibly targeting at
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Speaker 1: number thirty three? Yeah, I think I jumped to the
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Speaker 1: cornerback position. I think after Jeffrey Akudo, who I think
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Speaker 1: is a lock for the top five, the Ohio State kid,
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Speaker 1: former five star dude. It's got all the length, athleticism,
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Speaker 1: ball production off the charts. After that, the cornerback position
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Speaker 1: is going to go quick because there's not a lot
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Speaker 1: of true number one guys. Christian Fulton accepted his invite
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Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl but did not attend for reasons
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Speaker 1: I think that were unclear. I think because he knows
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Speaker 1: he's going high in this draft. I think there's a
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Speaker 1: chance because I think he's not super scheme burstyle, wants
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Speaker 1: to play a kind of a man heavy scheme. I
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Speaker 1: think he could have success at the top of round two.
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Speaker 1: He's the guy that I like. And then as for others,
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Speaker 1: think Justin Jefferson. If you wanted to pair Joe Burrow
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Speaker 1: with this guy out of LSU, Justin Jefferson. He's very
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Speaker 1: close to Tyler Boyd. I think they're very similar players
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Speaker 1: and that they can play inside and outside, but maybe
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Speaker 1: are better off on the inside. I think give Tyler
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Speaker 1: Boyd Justin Jefferson, two guys that catch everything, create separation
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Speaker 1: and against zone, very crafty, mindful receivers, you start to
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Speaker 1: get even better with Joe Burrow in your one. Did
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Speaker 1: the Bengals coaching staff make an impression in any way
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Speaker 1: with how they handled the South roster at the Senior Bowl? Yes, one,
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Speaker 1: because I think they handled the practice is better. I
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Speaker 1: think you saw a handful of things on Twitter and
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Speaker 1: other analysts say like why are the Detroit Lions doing
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Speaker 1: some things they do? They were doing blocking drills and
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Speaker 1: things like that. They didn't really give as many opportunities
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Speaker 1: as the Bengals coaching staff did to see how these
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Speaker 1: players performed in one on ones. You talk to scouts,
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Speaker 1: you talk to media, you talk to the players one
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Speaker 1: on ones or where the money is made. I talked
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Speaker 1: to kJ Hill, Ohio State receiver, right after practice one.
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Speaker 1: He said, I know I need to be good in
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Speaker 1: the one on ones. That's all I'm really focusing on
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Speaker 1: this week. And I think the Bengals did a really
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Speaker 1: good job of putting so many one on ones on
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Speaker 1: tape so they could really evaluate the players as well.
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Speaker 1: We're talking to Austin Gale from Pro Football Focus. I
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Speaker 1: want to turn the clock back to my first year's
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Speaker 1: the Bengals announcer twenty eleven. Early in that season, Pro
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Speaker 1: Football Focus had a story where they referred to Geno
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Speaker 1: Atkins as a secret superstar, and I remember thinking at
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Speaker 1: the time, nobody was saying that yet about Geno Atkins.
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Speaker 1: At the end of that year, he went to the
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Speaker 1: first of his eight Pro Bowl. So I really thought
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Speaker 1: that Pro Football Focus helped get the word out that
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Speaker 1: Geno Atkins was going to be a great player. Are
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Speaker 1: there any breakout candidates on the Bengals current roster? I
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Speaker 1: have a handful. I mean I do like a handful
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Speaker 1: of the younger players on the Bengals roster. I'm still
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Speaker 1: going to say, Carl Lawson, if this guy could just
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Speaker 1: get healthy, I do think he's one of the better
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Speaker 1: pass rushers in the NFL. Throw arm lengthd out the window.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, this guy has it. I think in
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Speaker 1: the small sample sizes he's grated very well for PFF use,
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Speaker 1: effectively and healthy. He's a breakout candidate for me and
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Speaker 1: Jonah Williams. I mean, Jonah Williams didn't get a chance
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Speaker 1: to play this year due to an injury, which you
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Speaker 1: did not expect coming out of Alabama. This guy was
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Speaker 1: a workhorse, played a ton of snaps for the Crimson Tide.
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Speaker 1: We loved his tape coming out again. Throw the arm
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Speaker 1: length out the window. He was asked that question a
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Speaker 1: handful of times in the draft process. But super smart kid.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but I had
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Speaker 1: a chance to to him before the draft. Before the
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Speaker 1: Bengals did draft him. This guy charts every single player
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Speaker 1: that he's about to go against how they win his
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Speaker 1: pass rushers outside inside bullrush and creates an Excel and
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Speaker 1: a Spider chart of how they win and studies that
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Speaker 1: at four games. This guy's PF legend. I mean, we
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Speaker 1: love what this guy does. From a data perspective. He
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Speaker 1: uses data to analyze and get better on film. He's
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Speaker 1: so smart between the years that I just can't imagine
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Speaker 1: this guy not having a good NFL career because he's
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Speaker 1: just too smart, athletically gifted and great production at Alabama.
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Speaker 1: When his career is over, he could be working with
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Speaker 1: you and gantn Cincinnati. Absolutely I would welcome it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I interview I probably interviewed probably twenty five to fifty
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Speaker 1: prospects every year. Jonah Williams in the five six years
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Speaker 1: I've been doing this is the most is the best
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Speaker 1: interview I've ever had. He's just such a smart guy,
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Speaker 1: and smart smart is very important at the offensive line position.
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Speaker 1: You need tackles and even guards centers to be smart
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Speaker 1: to understand protections, different play calls, et cetera. But he's
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Speaker 1: on another level of smart comparing to the other guys
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Speaker 1: I talked to. I think Jonah Williams again that commitment
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Speaker 1: to getting better. This guy wants to be the best
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Speaker 1: in the league and has all the tools, mind, physical,
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Speaker 1: all that stuff to really be it for sure. Let
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Speaker 1: me follow up on the offensive line. Pro Football Focus
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Speaker 1: ranked all thirty two offensive lines. The two Super Bowl
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Speaker 1: teams I was surprised are not at the top, San
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Speaker 1: Francisco number fourteen, Kansas City number sixteen. So I guess
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Speaker 1: if you have a great quarterback like Patrick Mahomes or
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Speaker 1: an incredible scheme like San Francisco, you can get around
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Speaker 1: that a little bit. But the Bengals were number thirty.
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Speaker 1: The only two teams that graded lower were the Rams
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Speaker 1: and the Dolphins. When you look at the Bengals offensive line,
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Speaker 1: you plug in Jonah Williams at left tackle. Next year.
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Speaker 1: They gave a contract extension to Trey Hopkins, so he'll
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Speaker 1: be the center. Are they good enough anywhere else on
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Speaker 1: the offensive line? I would I would argue no, And
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Speaker 1: I know that's aggressive and throwing you know, throwing somewhat
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Speaker 1: level of shade at John Miller, Billy Price, the kid
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Speaker 1: at Michael Jordan of Ohio State. Right tackle. Bobby Hart
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Speaker 1: is not great well for us. He has not great
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Speaker 1: well for us really in his entire NFL career. And
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Speaker 1: seeing when they did give him that contract extension last year,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember being in the office, real head
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Speaker 1: scratch was across the spoort. Did not see that coming.
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Speaker 1: And I think the problem the problem with that is,
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Speaker 1: I think you mentioned the Super Bowl teams good quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: don't welcome pressure like bad quarterbacks. We've seen that sack
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Speaker 1: sacks and pressures and pressure rate can often be a
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Speaker 1: quarterback stat more often than it is an offensive line stat.
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Speaker 1: We talk to current and former NFL offensive lineman and
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Speaker 1: they bang the table for that kind of data analysis,
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Speaker 1: knowing that there are quarterbacks like Deshaun Watson that welcome
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Speaker 1: pressure bring pressure more often than you know at Patrick
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Speaker 1: Mahomes or things like that. But I will say this,
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, if he does actually get picked number one overall,
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Speaker 1: which I think all signs point to, he is very
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Speaker 1: good under pressure and he does not welcome it. That's
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Speaker 1: why I feel comfortable with the Bengals maybe going other
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Speaker 1: directions at the top of the draft and maybe even
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Speaker 1: in free agency, because Joe Burrows a guy that does
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Speaker 1: not make an average offensive line look worse. He's a
16:53
Speaker 1: guy that makes an average offensive line looks so much
16:56
Speaker 1: better with what he does, what he does inside outside
16:58
Speaker 1: of structure, in terms of going through his progressions, etc.
17:01
Speaker 1: We're picking the brain of Austin Gale from Pro Football
17:04
Speaker 1: Focus based on PFF dada, where else should the Bengals
17:09
Speaker 1: be looking to upgrade cornerback, cornerback, cornerback, cornerback, because I mean,
17:13
Speaker 1: you cannot have a good enough good cornerbacks in this league.
17:16
Speaker 1: And I know William Jackson had a very good season
17:18
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, But what we've seen at PF, cornerback
17:22
Speaker 1: is the second most valuable position on the football field,
17:24
Speaker 1: right behind quarterback. It's distant after quarterback, but it is
17:27
Speaker 1: number two. But it's also one of the most volatile
17:30
Speaker 1: year over year. You do not you rarely see cornerbacks
17:32
Speaker 1: like a Durrell Reeves, Patrick Peterson, Jillen Ramsey have the
17:37
Speaker 1: consistency from a production standpoint because and a lot of
17:40
Speaker 1: this is because a bad play at cornerback is a touchdown,
17:43
Speaker 1: a bad play at tackle is just a sack. And
17:45
Speaker 1: I think you see that production, that volatility in those big,
17:48
Speaker 1: big plays have a factor and really good cornerbacks dropping
17:52
Speaker 1: year or whatever it may be. But again, stepping away
17:55
Speaker 1: from the volatility of the position, the value of position
17:57
Speaker 1: rings true. I think there are a ton of cornerbacks
17:59
Speaker 1: in this class. There's also some cornerbacks on the free
18:01
Speaker 1: agent market that the Bengals should be looking to grab
18:04
Speaker 1: because your defense gets better with coverage you look at
18:06
Speaker 1: the Chiefs defense they're playing in the Super Bowl. Big
18:08
Speaker 1: question mark in the offseason is can their defense get better?
18:12
Speaker 1: It was not because they added to the pass rush.
18:14
Speaker 1: It was because guys like Tyronne Matthew, Juan Thornhill and
18:17
Speaker 1: stepping up from Kendall Fuller that made this defense better,
18:20
Speaker 1: made the quarterback hold the ball longer. And therefore now they're,
18:23
Speaker 1: you know, up there with a top sixteen defense going
18:25
Speaker 1: into the Super Bowl with a really good offense. And
18:27
Speaker 1: this is really interesting to me because when I asked
18:29
Speaker 1: the question, where does the data show the Bengals need
18:31
Speaker 1: to upgrade, you said cornerback. Cornerback, cornerback. Every Bengals fan
18:36
Speaker 1: listening would have anticipated you would have said linebacker. Linebacker, linebacker.
18:40
Speaker 1: So here here, I'll say it right now, off bowl.
18:43
Speaker 1: Linebacker is not a valuable position on the football field.
18:46
Speaker 1: It's not one of which that you need to fill
18:48
Speaker 1: necessarily and ignore positional value, ignore you know the best
18:53
Speaker 1: player available and fill that need largely because they don't
18:57
Speaker 1: have as big of an impact on coverage and they
18:59
Speaker 1: do not rush the passer. They are oftentimes picked on schematically,
19:03
Speaker 1: it's hard to you know, there are coverage linebackers in
19:05
Speaker 1: the NFL that make a difference. One was Luke Keekley
19:08
Speaker 1: I know, a Cincinnati guy, and another one is now
19:11
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner. After that, it's a scrum. There are not
19:14
Speaker 1: a ton of otball linebackers that really are difference makers,
19:17
Speaker 1: and for that reason, trying to fill that need at
19:20
Speaker 1: the top of day two would be horrendous. I mean,
19:22
Speaker 1: it's close to the running back position from a positional
19:24
Speaker 1: value standpoint. That's why having a good cornerback that doesn't
19:28
Speaker 1: get beat deep is more important in my opinion than
19:30
Speaker 1: outball linebacker. Fill that position in the later rounds. Fill
19:33
Speaker 1: that position in free agency with bargain deals. Talking to
19:36
Speaker 1: Austin Gayale, you mentioned free agency, so let's get to
19:40
Speaker 1: that next. The Bengals have not historically gone after the
19:42
Speaker 1: highest priced free agents. Maybe that changes this year. We'll see.
19:47
Speaker 1: But are there any current free agents, especially mid level guys,
19:51
Speaker 1: who could help. I think a name to keep an
19:53
Speaker 1: eye on, and I know he's mulling retirement a bit,
19:55
Speaker 1: but as Anthony Costanzo, he's played a lot of left
19:58
Speaker 1: tackle in his career. But if he does not want
19:59
Speaker 1: to hang up the cleats and he wants to play
20:01
Speaker 1: right tackle, potentially for the Bengals. I think that's a
20:03
Speaker 1: guy that could come at a relative bargain. He's not
20:06
Speaker 1: going to ask for a long term deal, obviously, He's
20:08
Speaker 1: a name that I like it As a free agent
20:10
Speaker 1: in the offseason, I think it's hard not to bring
20:13
Speaker 1: up the big name guys, the guys that will draw
20:15
Speaker 1: a lot of money. But if they can dig through
20:17
Speaker 1: the couches and find enough money. Bringing Byron Jones of
20:19
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, that's a difference maker. At the cornerback position,
20:23
Speaker 1: I think you're better off spending two at certain positions
20:26
Speaker 1: like cornerback, Like offensive line, we see at PF filling
20:30
Speaker 1: needs with rookies rarely pans out. The only position that
20:33
Speaker 1: we see like rookies really excel at out of the
20:35
Speaker 1: gate is running back. For obvious reasons, it's a position
20:37
Speaker 1: that ages quickly. But offensive line you don't really get
20:40
Speaker 1: plus production until year two, year three. You don't get
20:43
Speaker 1: plus production from cornerbacks even sometimes receivers until those years
20:46
Speaker 1: as well. So looking at free ancy to fill a
20:49
Speaker 1: positions of need is more important than looking to fill
20:51
Speaker 1: positions of need in the draft. So I think offensive line,
20:54
Speaker 1: maybe finding a tackle opposite of Jonah Williams and then
20:57
Speaker 1: cornerback again. To dig through these guys. Anthony Harris to
21:00
Speaker 1: eight in Minnesota. To pair him up with looks of
21:03
Speaker 1: my name, I'm wake Forest guys. Second year Jesse Bates,
21:06
Speaker 1: Jesse Bates. Yeah with Jesse Bates. Pair him up with
21:09
Speaker 1: Jesse Bates. Invest in the defensive backs in best in
21:11
Speaker 1: the offensive line if you can find them interior annex here.
21:14
Speaker 1: All right, this has been excellent. Let's get to Sunday
21:17
Speaker 1: Super Bowl San Francisco, Kansas City. Who wins and why
21:21
Speaker 1: I'm going the Kansas City Chiefs. So I think the
21:23
Speaker 1: better quarterbacks, the better passing offenses win in the postseason,
21:27
Speaker 1: and that's really what we've seen. I think the San
21:29
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers are fantastic. We've seen them get
21:32
Speaker 1: into a shootout with the New Orleans Saints and win.
21:34
Speaker 1: But this Chiefs team goes up. They can go up quickly,
21:37
Speaker 1: and I don't think they let their foot off the
21:39
Speaker 1: gas pedal. Look at this Houston Texans game. They come
21:41
Speaker 1: back in that game, I think they're up twenty points
21:43
Speaker 1: at a certain point, they continue to throw the football.
21:45
Speaker 1: They continue to push down the field. Aggressiveness again, Aggressiveness
21:49
Speaker 1: passing the football really wins in the postseason. I think
21:52
Speaker 1: Andy Reid is calling masterfully down on the sideline. Patrick
21:55
Speaker 1: Mahomes playing some of his best football of his career,
21:58
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey matches across the board. This forty
22:01
Speaker 1: nine Ers team, if they get a lead, keeps this close.
22:04
Speaker 1: But I think if Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs fine
22:06
Speaker 1: way to go up fourteen, go up even ten early
22:09
Speaker 1: in this game, and they keep the gas pedal down,
22:11
Speaker 1: I think this Chiefs team wins pretty handily. I'm big
22:13
Speaker 1: on the Chiefs. Wow. Now, I'm thinking San Francisco's running
22:17
Speaker 1: game at least gives them a chance to keep Mahomes
22:20
Speaker 1: off the field enough. He's still gonna throw three touchdown passes,
22:24
Speaker 1: but maybe you can prevent him from throwing four or
22:26
Speaker 1: five by holding onto the ball for thirty five minutes. No,
22:29
Speaker 1: and I would agree with you. So the Chiefs have
22:31
Speaker 1: the thirtieth ranked run defense and EPA per play their
22:33
Speaker 1: thirty second against outside zone. The forty nine Ers are
22:36
Speaker 1: licking their chops at this defense. However, you get Patrick
22:40
Speaker 1: Mahomes the ball first and running the football though effective
22:43
Speaker 1: takes time piece by piece, time of possession those things,
22:46
Speaker 1: and with more opportunity comes randomness of turnovers and things
22:49
Speaker 1: like that. You miss a play when a run heavy
22:51
Speaker 1: offense and then Patrick Mahomes comes by a score seven
22:54
Speaker 1: in two minutes. I think that's what makes things difficult
22:56
Speaker 1: to lean on this run game. But again, San Francisco's
22:59
Speaker 1: in this game for a reason, and they've been able
23:00
Speaker 1: to dominate the trenches all year long offensively and defensively.
23:04
Speaker 1: It's up to Kansas City again. The way they win
23:06
Speaker 1: this game is score early. They don't. I think San
23:08
Speaker 1: Francisco can really keep that, you know, push down on
23:10
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23:13
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Speaker 1: Gail and he spells his last name g A y
24:17
Speaker 1: l E. In celebration of the NFL's one hundredth season,
24:21
Speaker 1: the league unveiled an all time team, and two Bengals
24:24
Speaker 1: were selected. Paul Brown was one of ten head coaches,
24:28
Speaker 1: and Anthony Munio's was among the one hundred players selected.
24:32
Speaker 1: Anthony is widely considered to be the greatest offensive lineman
24:35
Speaker 1: in pro football history. He was an eleven time Pro Bowler,
24:39
Speaker 1: the starting left tackle on both of the Bengal Super
24:42
Speaker 1: Bowl teams, and a first ballot Hall of Famer. Perhaps
24:46
Speaker 1: you knew all of that, but in this fun facts
24:49
Speaker 1: conversation you might learn something new about the greatest player
24:54
Speaker 1: enfranchise history. Time for some fantastic fun facts with Hall
24:57
Speaker 1: of Famer Anthony Munos, and let's start with something fun
25:01
Speaker 1: for this one. Do you have the gold Hall of
25:04
Speaker 1: Fame jacket at home? Or do they keep those in
25:07
Speaker 1: a closet in Canton? It is in my closet at home,
25:10
Speaker 1: so yes, I have it hanging with all my other
25:13
Speaker 1: sport coats in the suits in my closets, so I
25:16
Speaker 1: have control of it. Do you ever let anybody try
25:19
Speaker 1: that on? Or is that a strict no. No? I
25:21
Speaker 1: have not actually let anybody try. Nobody's asked, so I
25:25
Speaker 1: haven't been faced with saying no to anybody. All right,
25:28
Speaker 1: let's turn the clock back a little bit. There's a
25:30
Speaker 1: picture of you on the internet as a twelve year
25:32
Speaker 1: old little leaguer and you are about a foot taller
25:35
Speaker 1: than your teammates. You're as tall as your coach. Were
25:38
Speaker 1: you comfortable being the biggest kid or were you self
25:41
Speaker 1: conscious about your size? Well? I think my family really
25:45
Speaker 1: made it comfortable for me. I mean, there's kids are kids.
25:48
Speaker 1: So you know, kids are gonna say things when they
25:50
Speaker 1: see your feet twice as big as there's. But for
25:52
Speaker 1: the most part, I'd have to say I was pretty comfortable.
25:55
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny you mentioned that Little League picture.
25:57
Speaker 1: My mom actually had to sew some extra material so
26:00
Speaker 1: I could keep my jersey tuched in. But yeah, it
26:03
Speaker 1: was you know, I thought it was kind of cool
26:05
Speaker 1: at times. Most of the times, I really thought it
26:07
Speaker 1: was nice that I was large because my friends, my
26:10
Speaker 1: really close friends, really it didn't matter that I was,
26:13
Speaker 1: you know, head taller than them. They they accepted me
26:16
Speaker 1: just as a friend. We're doing fund Facts with Anthony Munio.
26:18
Speaker 1: Is Is it true though, that you were too big
26:20
Speaker 1: to play youth football as a kid. I was. I
26:23
Speaker 1: would have never met the you know, the height and
26:25
Speaker 1: weight restriction, so I never really tried because I knew
26:29
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be able to. So really, baseball is
26:31
Speaker 1: my first love, and you know the extent of my
26:34
Speaker 1: football playing days before I started playing organized which was
26:37
Speaker 1: flag football, was just on our home field and that
26:41
Speaker 1: was the street in front of our house. Yeah, so
26:43
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where you know, I
26:45
Speaker 1: heard that I really couldn't because of my size, so
26:48
Speaker 1: I really didn't make that attempt to go play. You
26:51
Speaker 1: mentioned baseball. You went to USC, and some people might
26:55
Speaker 1: not realize that you were a pitcher. I'm in nineteen
26:57
Speaker 1: seventy eighteen to one a national championship for the College
27:00
Speaker 1: World Series. You strike me as a closer. How are
27:04
Speaker 1: you used and what did you throw? I didn't play
27:06
Speaker 1: my freshman year because of injuries, so that was actually
27:09
Speaker 1: my sophomore year at school there. Because it was my
27:12
Speaker 1: first year, a lot of I'm going to admit, you know,
27:15
Speaker 1: I don't have an ego. It was mop up jobs,
27:17
Speaker 1: and you know, so I got one win. I got
27:19
Speaker 1: to pitch about eleven innings that year. The year, as
27:23
Speaker 1: you mentioned, we won the World Series and we had
27:24
Speaker 1: four guys that were in double figure wins that year, so,
27:28
Speaker 1: you know the I was thrilled to get that many
27:30
Speaker 1: innings that year. Anthony, your college football career was severely
27:35
Speaker 1: limited in terms of games played by knee injuries. You
27:37
Speaker 1: had three surgical procedures on your knees at USC. Did
27:41
Speaker 1: you ever think this football thing just isn't meant to be?
27:45
Speaker 1: You know what, I really didn't even that third knee operation.
27:49
Speaker 1: I'm laying in the bed the day after that operation,
27:52
Speaker 1: and I'm doing a live interview in fact, with the
27:54
Speaker 1: NBC and it was Bryant Gumbel, and he asked me
27:57
Speaker 1: that same question the day after my third knee operation,
27:59
Speaker 1: when is it enough? When are you going to give
28:01
Speaker 1: it up? And even then I said, I still have
28:03
Speaker 1: the passionate desire to come back at least one more time,
28:06
Speaker 1: because I wanted to play in the Rose Bowl. I
28:08
Speaker 1: hadn't played in. We played in two up to that time,
28:11
Speaker 1: and I hadn't played in one, So it really never
28:13
Speaker 1: entered my mind that, man, this is crazy, it's my
28:16
Speaker 1: third one. Let's find something else to do. I was
28:19
Speaker 1: determined to come back and just give it one more shot.
28:22
Speaker 1: You succeeded. You came back and played in that Rose Bowl,
28:25
Speaker 1: and that was one of the reasons why the Bengals
28:27
Speaker 1: were willing to take you with a third pick in
28:29
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty draft. But just to make sure your
28:31
Speaker 1: knee was okay, they sent Forrest Greg out to work
28:34
Speaker 1: you out. Describe what happened. Well, anybody that followed the NFL,
28:38
Speaker 1: especially the Green Bay Packers, knows about Forest Gregg. I mean,
28:43
Speaker 1: he was an All Pro guard and tackle Hall of
28:45
Speaker 1: Fame offensive tackle. I knew at the time Vince Lombardi's
28:49
Speaker 1: last book, he said that Forrest was the finest player
28:52
Speaker 1: he ever coached. Now here's a guy coming to work
28:54
Speaker 1: me out at Hall of Fame Tackle. He wants to
28:56
Speaker 1: see you know where I am physically after that third
28:59
Speaker 1: knee operation and playing that game. So I was gonna
29:02
Speaker 1: go one hundred percent on everything he asked me to do.
29:05
Speaker 1: And it was for about an hour and a half
29:07
Speaker 1: and he was putting me through, I mean, a great workout.
29:10
Speaker 1: And finally at the end he said, he goes, Okay,
29:12
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a few moves as a defensive end.
29:15
Speaker 1: You just react. So I said, man, you know, I
29:18
Speaker 1: gotta watch the fakes. Because he was early forties and
29:21
Speaker 1: still capable of moving a little bit. He actually faked
29:24
Speaker 1: outside and started and darted inside, and of course I
29:27
Speaker 1: took that step out and came back in. And one
29:29
Speaker 1: of the things that I did learn at usc cutting
29:32
Speaker 1: Edge with Hudson, how we used our hands a lot
29:35
Speaker 1: run blocking, pass blocking, So the punch was very instrumental
29:38
Speaker 1: in our technique. Didn't have a whole lot of game
29:41
Speaker 1: experience with it, but a lot of camp experience. And
29:43
Speaker 1: he went inside and I planted both hands, I mean
29:46
Speaker 1: just perfectly into his chest and I extended and as
29:50
Speaker 1: he went down, my heart just dropped. He literally hit
29:53
Speaker 1: the ground and the back of his head kind of
29:55
Speaker 1: hit first, and I stood over him and I apologized
29:58
Speaker 1: and I extended my hand and he basically looked up
30:01
Speaker 1: and he kind of chuckled and said, no problem, that's
30:04
Speaker 1: all right, and I said, man, thank you. And you know,
30:08
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where I needed to
30:11
Speaker 1: show them that I could still, you know, move, and
30:13
Speaker 1: then I was coming. I'd come back completely from that
30:15
Speaker 1: third knee operation. We're doing fun facts with Anthony. Munio's
30:19
Speaker 1: most offensive linemen don't have career stats, but you had
30:22
Speaker 1: seven catches with the Bengals, including four for touchdowns. Do
30:26
Speaker 1: you remember when the coaches first decided to put in
30:29
Speaker 1: a passing play for you? I sure do. In fact,
30:31
Speaker 1: we had a rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback,
30:34
Speaker 1: and Sam Weiss's first year, we started to put extra
30:37
Speaker 1: linemen in and two big linemen at tight end, shortyards,
30:40
Speaker 1: goal line, and of course our goal line with the
30:43
Speaker 1: big guys. It was called the web formation because we
30:46
Speaker 1: be scorned when we get in that formation. And you know,
30:51
Speaker 1: I gotta go back a little bit and really give
30:53
Speaker 1: the person the credit that deserves the credit for me
30:55
Speaker 1: catching those passes. Because on Monday, after our run, our
30:59
Speaker 1: left and viewing. The old lineman would stay after and
31:01
Speaker 1: we would have our fatman football game and uh, of
31:04
Speaker 1: course my quarterback. All the time, it was the old
31:06
Speaker 1: guys against the young guys with Max Montoya so and
31:09
Speaker 1: we would play right outside of the coaches windows. You know,
31:11
Speaker 1: on that it's old spinny field, and you know, Max
31:14
Speaker 1: and I would have fun taking those young linemen apart,
31:17
Speaker 1: you know, with our you know Montoya Demuno's connection. But
31:21
Speaker 1: it was, you know, Sam's rookie year, and he started
31:23
Speaker 1: putting in not only putting big guys at the tight end,
31:26
Speaker 1: but all of a sudden saying, okay, we're gonna start
31:28
Speaker 1: running some pass plays. And that first catch, if I
31:30
Speaker 1: remember correctly, I was a primary receiver and we had
31:33
Speaker 1: to score to take in an overtime. I'm thinking, this
31:35
Speaker 1: is crazy. This guy isn't gonna last long in the
31:38
Speaker 1: NFL coaching like that. But you know, Kenny Anderson was hurting.
31:41
Speaker 1: We had a you know, big left hand or a
31:43
Speaker 1: rookie at quarterback, and I mean I remember it like
31:46
Speaker 1: it was yesterday. And in fact, you know, part of
31:48
Speaker 1: the play was you know, fake halfback bounds twenty eight
31:51
Speaker 1: pass or something like that, where I hit my guy
31:53
Speaker 1: and go. And so I mean he made it fun
31:56
Speaker 1: because after that, every week we had a play in
31:58
Speaker 1: where I was gonna, you know, go out for a pass.
32:01
Speaker 1: Not that we ran it every time, but I did
32:02
Speaker 1: get a chance to catch four touchdowns. I assume this
32:05
Speaker 1: did not happen from catching the football, but you have
32:08
Speaker 1: a messed up little finger that points sideways. Did it
32:11
Speaker 1: happen in a specific incident or just the wear and
32:14
Speaker 1: tear of all those years on the old line. It's
32:16
Speaker 1: just over the years, you know it happened, and you just,
32:20
Speaker 1: you know, every week you just tape your I take
32:22
Speaker 1: my fingers up, and then all of a sudden, I retired,
32:24
Speaker 1: and you know, you kind of reassess your hands and
32:27
Speaker 1: your fingers and you look and you, oh, my goodness,
32:29
Speaker 1: it's not going the way it started out when I
32:31
Speaker 1: first got in the NFL. But you know, because everything
32:34
Speaker 1: we did was with our hands, and you know, run blocking,
32:36
Speaker 1: you're punching, and guys are coming to him pass block
32:39
Speaker 1: and you're trying to punch them. So you're hitting face masks,
32:41
Speaker 1: you're hitting shoulder pads or hitting hitting just about everything.
32:44
Speaker 1: So it happened from the years and years, and I
32:46
Speaker 1: know a lot of people ask me, was it one
32:49
Speaker 1: specific play, was it one specific game? And with that pink,
32:52
Speaker 1: you know it was an accumulation, all right. A couple
32:55
Speaker 1: more fun facts with Anthony Munos. If you look at
32:57
Speaker 1: the cast of the nineteen eighty three movie The Right
33:00
Speaker 1: Stuff about the Mercury seven Astronauts, it includes Scott Glen,
33:04
Speaker 1: Ed Harris, Dennis Quaid, and Anthony Munios as Gonzalez. How
33:09
Speaker 1: did that happen? That? It was a funny Super Bowl sixteen?
33:14
Speaker 1: I had my right after the game. I had my
33:16
Speaker 1: elbow cleaned out, my right elbow. I had some bone
33:18
Speaker 1: spurs and the doctor that cleaned it out was the
33:20
Speaker 1: same doctor who did all three of my knee operations
33:23
Speaker 1: in college. He was the orthopedic surgeon for the Raiders.
33:27
Speaker 1: Raiders located in Oakland, but his office was in Beverly Hills,
33:30
Speaker 1: and he was known as the orthopedic surgeon for the
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Speaker 1: movie stars, and we had a blast because I would
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Speaker 1: go in on you know, I saw him a lot
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Speaker 1: in three years, and you know, I got to listen
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Speaker 1: to the Gobor sister on the phone when we're in
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Speaker 1: the examining room as he was talking to him, got
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Speaker 1: to meet Sylvester Stallone and Bubba Smith. Smith was actually
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Speaker 1: in their former you know, NFL football player and my
33:51
Speaker 1: final examination with my elbow that year. We used to
33:55
Speaker 1: call him crazy Doc because he was a little on
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Speaker 1: the edge. He said, Anthony, I might have something for them, Doc,
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Speaker 1: what you have? He said, Doc. Rosenfeld said, I got
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Speaker 1: two really good friends and they're getting ready to make
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Speaker 1: a movie and they might have a part for you.
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Speaker 1: And I said, Doc, I've never acted, I mean, you know.
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Speaker 1: He says, no, really. He goes and he gave me
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Speaker 1: their numbers. And at that time I didn't know who
34:14
Speaker 1: or when Winkler and Bob shard Off were, you know.
34:16
Speaker 1: So he goes, go here, they want to see you.
34:19
Speaker 1: So I go to their office and I'm walking in.
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Speaker 1: There's Raging bullposters and Rocky posters and all these big
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Speaker 1: time movies. But I walk into the conference room and
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Speaker 1: they're sitting there. They each have a script and there's
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Speaker 1: an extra script. So I asked me to read a
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Speaker 1: couple of lines and I did that and they said
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Speaker 1: thank you, and I left. About a month goes by
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Speaker 1: and I figured I blew that one. I didn't get
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Speaker 1: the part. So it was a Tuesday morning. I get
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Speaker 1: a phone call and it's the casting director for the
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Speaker 1: movie and they said, can you be in San Francisco
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Speaker 1: on Saturday morning? We're starting to film the movie. And
34:50
Speaker 1: so I got the part and they said nobody called
34:53
Speaker 1: you and I said no. They said you are a
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Speaker 1: member of SAG, right, and I said no. They said
34:58
Speaker 1: I'll call you right back. So a few minutes later
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Speaker 1: do they call back and they said, we need you
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Speaker 1: to show up at this, you know, the SAG office
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Speaker 1: Thursday morning. Certain time, you pay initiation fee, fill out
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Speaker 1: an application you'd be a SAG member. And then he
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Speaker 1: says you want the part, and I said, oh, you bet.
35:11
Speaker 1: So I went and filled it out. I became a
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Speaker 1: SAG member in DD and I and Michael flip to
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Speaker 1: San Francisco for a week and it was a blast.
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Speaker 1: I tell you what. I didn't realize how big the
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Speaker 1: movie was at the time. But I got to interact
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Speaker 1: with Ed Harris and Scott Glenn and all the guys,
35:25
Speaker 1: you know, going back and forth, and of course got
35:28
Speaker 1: to meet a lot of the other actors and actresses
35:31
Speaker 1: that would film at the desert for the desert scenes.
35:33
Speaker 1: And but if you remember, I did have long hair
35:36
Speaker 1: coming to Cincinnati, and that was my second year. I
35:40
Speaker 1: didn't completely have it cut down. So I show up
35:42
Speaker 1: on the set and they said, well, you got to
35:44
Speaker 1: go see you know, the costume and you know, makeup
35:48
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I'm thinking, you gotta be kidding. I
35:50
Speaker 1: sit down and they draped the big sheet on me,
35:52
Speaker 1: and they pull out the clippers and they started up,
35:55
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh my goodness, this movie took place
35:58
Speaker 1: like a long time. I'm a good Man's short and
36:01
Speaker 1: she just started going and I'm thinking, oh, well, but
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Speaker 1: you know, it was worth it. So I had a
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Speaker 1: pretty short haircut in the movie. But it was fun,
36:09
Speaker 1: all right, final fun factor, Anthony Munios and I really
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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Ted Williams famously said, when I walked
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Speaker 1: down the street, I want people to go, there goes
36:20
Speaker 1: the best hitter that ever lived. You are frequently referred
36:24
Speaker 1: to as the greatest offensive lineman that's ever played this game.
36:28
Speaker 1: When you hear that, how does it make you feel? Well?
36:31
Speaker 1: It still makes me pinch myself. It's still very humbling.
36:34
Speaker 1: And you know, when I hear that, it's like, man,
36:37
Speaker 1: how great is that? I wouldn't mind just being mentioned
36:40
Speaker 1: with you know, the forest graves and the art shells
36:43
Speaker 1: and the Jim Parkers. But when I hear that, it's
36:47
Speaker 1: it's amazing because of what we just talked about in
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Speaker 1: my college career and people had said I'd never play
36:52
Speaker 1: again after that Rose Bowl. People said that there's no
36:55
Speaker 1: way I would last this season, and the fact that
36:57
Speaker 1: I played thirteen years and didn't miss a game of
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Speaker 1: my eleventh year, and to have people say that, it's humbling,
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Speaker 1: but it's I mean, it really goes to show that
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Speaker 1: if if you don't listen to the naysayers and you
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Speaker 1: still have a passionate design in your heart and you
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Speaker 1: just bust your tail, that's good things happen. That's going
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