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New Pitches for Paul Skenes · The 3-0 Take

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take, where we talk
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all things Major League Baseball.
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Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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It all starts. Right now.
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Welcome back to the three O take presented by C Keep this episode
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513. I'll be your host, Kyle Cord.
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I'm here with my Co host Nate Reyes.
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Nate. Let's go.
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Happy Sunday. Almost to the good season.
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Almost. Almost there.
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I'll tell you what, nothing gets me going.
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Nothing makes me feel more alive as an American than baseball
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season. But I tell you what, you know
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what? You know what's second in line
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on that list? What?
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Watching an American hockey team beat Canada.
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After after the three fights and nine sets, are you?
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Kidding me? I mean, you want to talk about
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getting the blood flowing? Dude, there's something, there's
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just something like, there's something that I respect about
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hockey, you know what I mean? Like it's just incredible the
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way it's like, let's throw down, then like let's just throw down.
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Let's let's let's hold each other up and wail on each other.
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It's crazy. And the refs are like, you know
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what? I get it.
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OK, we'll be here when you're done.
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And like cheering as they go to the penalty box too.
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That I'm telling you, man, hockey's just they're they're
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built different. It's a different breed.
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A lot of respect A. Lot of respect.
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And you know, there was a, a, a conversation that I feel like I
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saw brewing last night, primarily amongst hockey, hockey
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fans, obviously, but they were talk and I, I know like a little
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bit about hockey, but not a whole lot.
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But I mean, I was able to sort of pick up what they're putting
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down, but they're essentially talking about getting rid of the
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All Star game in favour of this. What what do they call it again?
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Four Nations face off or whatever.
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And then I started seeing some baseball fans chime into the
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conversation, like, what would this look like if we introduce
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the world Baseball classic in the middle of the season when
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people are at, you know, if they're in when when players are
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in mid season form, like what would that look like?
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And it got me wondering again, because we've had this
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conversation before. Posts when you and I went to the
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World Baseball Classic. Yeah.
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Like, what would it look like to maybe shake things up with the
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schedule a little bit? And so as I was watching Team
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USA wipe the floor with Canada last night, I was like, look, I
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love the All Star game. I enjoy watching, I enjoy
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watching the Derby. You and I are going this year to
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Atlanta, but what would it look like to incorporate more of the
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the the international side of baseball that we've been so much
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in love with as it's become more and more a part of the game
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lately? Like, what would it look like to
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incorporate that more into what we see during the MLB season?
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Yeah, it's tough, man. It's tough.
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It's I, I will. I love the idea of it.
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I love the concept. It's just, again, the hockey
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player and mentality is just different and it's cool that
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like the owners can collectively say, hey, these guys are at risk
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every time they step on the ice. What what's it to us if they
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risk it during an exhibition thing?
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You know what I mean? Baseball's just not like that.
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Like it's so it's just so protected and no one's willing
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to do any, no one's really willing to risk for exhibition
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stuff. Then you see that with like guys
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opting out and not doing the WBC or especially now like major
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guys going down in preparation for the WBC or playing in it.
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And it's like it's hard to it's hard to argue against.
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But again, that's just the difference of like the mentality
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of hockey players, man. Like they're just like, I'll put
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my money aside, I'll put my like, it's just about overall
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pride of like representation. And I think that you see a
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little bit of that for the WBC, but you don't see a ton of it
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once opening day kicks off, you know what I mean?
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It's just like that's the main goal.
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So it's hard man. I like the idea of it.
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Well said and my goodness, what a segue into what is essentially
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our first topic of discussion here today.
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You want to talk about about mentality, You want to talk
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about guys that are willing to just lay it all on the line.
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Let's talk about a guy who isn't.
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Marcus Stroman made made headlines recently for some
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comments that he shared about his perceived role for the 2025
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season, whether it be with the Yankees or elsewhere.
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I don't think he cares what team he's playing for.
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I think Marcus Stroman believes that he will be starting as it
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were, based on his comments as opposed to serving any sort of
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bullpen role. So I got the video queued up
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here for us. I want us to to listen to what
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he said, the way he said it, and as someone who has watched him
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first hand, Nate, I want you to maybe share some thoughts as to
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what this marriage is ultimately going to look like when it's all
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said and done. If it's going to continue, if
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this is going to end in an ugly divorce before the season even
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starts, or maybe an an option C that I haven't even really
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considered yet. But let's let's watch this
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video. Let's see what Marcus Stroman
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said, I believe Friday. Considering your pedigree, could
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you handle being a reliever? I'm gonna start.
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So right now, I'm gonna start. You're the 6th starter.
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So how do you handle that? See how it plays out?
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I'm a starter. I'm a start.
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You don't want to pitch a gold pen.
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I won't pitch a gold pen. I'm gonna start.
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I'm starter, real team player there, Marcus Stroman says that
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he is not quote, he is not a starter.
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He will not pitch in the bullpen.
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He's a starter. He's a starter.
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He doesn't know, but he knows that he's a starter.
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He's a starter. What are your what are your
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thoughts on this? Because as you'd imagine, this
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this sort of made its rounds, but understandably so.
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Because Marcus Stroman is a guy who gets swept up in in the
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headlines because of the things he says, because because of the
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ways in which he says them and ultimately has demonstrated a
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pattern of, you know, maybe not being the best, like I said,
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team player when it comes to being a guy in a clubhouse.
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What are your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, this is this is
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standard, this is par for the course.
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He's done this with multiple organizations.
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It's it's always the Showman show.
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And when it comes down to it, it always, it's always him as as
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the priority. And I'm not at all surprised.
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I'm the only thing I'm surprised about is that it took this long
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for this side of him to come out.
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You know what I mean? And the fact that he stayed
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somewhat quiet last season and wasn't really in the headlines
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for any negativity. It surprised me that it it it
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took this long. This it's this just what he is.
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This is what he is. There was another quote that he
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came out and said like name another guy that can stay
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healthy and average 30 starts a year.
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And like look at my numbers. And it's like I think someone
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called him out in the comments. They're like, dude, you're
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averaging like 26 starts a year, which is still like, hey, like
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whatever, but I, I don't. Know yeah, not going to knock
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that yeah. Like it's still like it is what
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it is, man. Like I don't.
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No, let's, no, let's take that advice.
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Let's look at the numbers. So in 2024 for the Yankees, he
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posted a 431, posted a WAR of .7, had an ERA plus of 95.
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Below average. Had a FIPP of 462.
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Had a whip of 1.468. Not great.
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I don't know what you want me to tell you.
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That's what I'm saying, like don't say go look at the
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numbers. Like I, I saw another video of
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like a retired GM just talking about like how like GMs want
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winners, like people like we don't have time for this.
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Like it doesn't need to be about you right this second.
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Like this shouldn't be the storyline.
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And so for you to like, sit out the first few days of spring
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training that were optional, but every, every one of your other
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team mates is there showing up like you're, you're not
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important enough to make that kind of statement.
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And, and maybe it's just you being rubbed the wrong way
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because the Yankees have been shopping your your name, you
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know, all offseason. And I can promise you that, you
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know, the trade that sent Nestor to Milwaukee probably had
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Stroman's name in there before Nestor.
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I can almost promise that that's the case.
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I can almost promise you that. Any offers that I've been
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potentially thrown back and forth for Arnato have had
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Stroman's name involved as well. Like that's, I think it's known.
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I think every Yankees fan can come out and say that.
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I think I get where the frustration would be.
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Like, I can't stand the coy side of the front office around, like
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the public relations side of things, specifically around, you
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know, the way Aaron Boone talks, the way Brian Cashman talks.
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I'm never going to show you my hand.
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You're never going to be able to see it.
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But it's obvious that this guy's kind of being dragged through
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the mud a little bit. And, and that's just how the
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game is like. That's how the nature of the
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business is. So you can either use that as
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fuel. And we've seen many other guys
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across the league, many other team players just be like, you
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know what, I'm going to show up and do my job no matter what.
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That what that is defined as. If it's the organization
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changing my role, then that's how it is.
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That's what winners say. That's how winners show up.
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And when you walk into the clubhouse and you're looking at
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the other guys and you're saying like, now our, our journey
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starts again to go and try and hoist that trophy because we
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came up short last year. Now the journey all resets.
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Like that's the mentality you need in that clubhouse.
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I don't want this. I don't think anybody wants
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this. I don't think anybody can
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support this. So I'm it, it's not surprising.
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Go be a loser somewhere else. Go be a loser for a non
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contender because that's what's eventually going to happen.
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And now that this is starting and now that these headlines are
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starting to come out more and more, I can guarantee you that
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it's changing the conversation of how much money the Yankees
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are willing to eat to get rid of this idiot.
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Because I don't I don't want him here as a fan and I wouldn't
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want him in the clubhouse. So I'll give props to the way
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certain comments are coming out from the Yankee side of things.
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But you can see that like once you shut it down, you can see
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what they've been saying about Glaber.
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The all the comments around, like we brought in Jazz to be a
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second baseman. We asked Glaber to be a third
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base and he said, no, I'm a second baseman.
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Great. Then we're not bringing you
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back. Good luck.
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Go be 1/5 infielder somewhere else.
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I got to respect. You.
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Because you're below league average.
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You're not. You can't sit here with a chip
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on your shoulder and act like you are the greatest thing to
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come across for this organization.
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You're not worth it. You're not in the starting 5
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right now, you're on the outside looking in and you didn't put up
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numbers that are worth talking this way.
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So good luck. Just a matter of time before
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they find a suitor and I can. I can almost guarantee that
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they're willing to eat more money now than they were before
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these. But that and I've, I've agreed
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with everything you've said up to this point.
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But that's where I disagree and I put it, I put a tweet out
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about this the other day on that very topic.
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You said it's only a matter of time until they find a suitor.
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Who else in the league is unaware of what's going on?
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My my tweet that I put out? Certainly there's no team left
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in the MLB. Still unaware of the Marcus
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Stroman experience, correct? Step one.
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Disgruntled on current team. Step 2.
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Ends up on a new team Step 3. Disparages former team Step 4.
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Treats his new team as destiny. Step 5.
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Pitches poorly. Step 6 repeat steps one through
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5. It's every time he get he he
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shows up to camp. He he's rocking the throwback,
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the vintage Tees. All this pulls a picture of of
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him wearing the hat in Little League.
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Like this is where I was always meant to be.
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It's like, dude, how many teams, how many teams can be your
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ultimate destiny? If, if, if you're bouncing
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around the league so often and then he'll pitch poorly, he'll
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get shipped off and then he'll just say nothing but bad things
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about the former team. He'll, he'll say they're racist
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or he'll say that they're they're a clown show.
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They don't know how to run an organization.
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It's like, like you were saying, you're not you.
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You have no right to have this sense of entitlement about what
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you what you feel that you're owed as a pitcher, whether it be
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your placement in the rotation or or otherwise, because you
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just haven't. What?
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Like sure, you post like you put up 25 to 30 starts a year,
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that's great. But when it's league average or
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below, more often than not, it's like you.
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Can find that elsewhere. You can find that elsewhere and
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with a lot less baggage and a lot less attitude.
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So I get the whole height doesn't measure heart mentality
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and and sure, I can respect that to a degree, but when it just it
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turns you into into a into a almost when you're.
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So insecure, it's insane. I mean, what I was shame on the
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Yankees for thinking that it was going to be any different.
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You know what I mean? Because like you said, we've
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seen these steps repeated over and over again with multiple
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organizations. It's crazy.
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Not interested, not interested. I don't care what we get for him
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now. I don't care what he did.
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Just go. Did you see him show up, by the
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way? Like, no, I'm not going to like
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everyone's in like half uniform where you see like spring
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training where it's like a like a dry fit, pants, socks, turfs,
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right? And he shows up and he's got
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like a baggy on tuck shirt and then like the pants to like
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shorts length and no socks. And you're just like, it's
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always your show. It's always your show.
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Like uniforms are meant to be uniforms.
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We're supposed to look the same. That's the whole point.
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It's the whole idea of uniforms is that we don't represent the
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name on the back, even though there is no name on the back,
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but we don't represent the name on the back.
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We represent the name on the front.
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And it's just it's never been that way for him.
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It's always been the name on the back.
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So good luck pitching for, you know, the freaking Reds or the
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Marlin. Like I'm done.
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Like I don't, I don't care. Go elsewhere.
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You're I can't imagine anybody really being a fan of this
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anymore. Well said in the chat part is
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one thing, but it turns when it reforms into pride.
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Pride comes before the fall, but I don't know how many falls
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Marcus Stroman has had like you know you you think of of being
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shipped off to another team so they can deal with your problems
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as a fall. This we're looking at yet
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another one for Marcus Stroman because I would venture to say
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that this does not end well for Stroman and the Yankees.
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I would venture to say he's pitching for another team by
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Opening Day if they can find a suitor, which I don't think they
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can anyway. Oh, I'm I can't wait for if he
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does pitch on a spring training mound in George Steinbrenner
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Field and he gets rocked. I cannot wait for either the
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release or the trade coming immediately after if it makes it
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that far. If it makes it that far, Cole
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Reagan's went out and got himself a little bag.
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Nate, you're of the bag. A little bag.
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Emphasis on little. You're of the belief that maybe
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he could have fetched a little bit more.
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I thought so. I like, I mean, look, I can't
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sit here and and and praise a guy for being team 1st and
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taking less money and then like ridicule the guy for not getting
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the money he deserves. I just felt like the the promise
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is is nice. He looks good.
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Like I could see him being the number one in Kansas City
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eventually. And you know, Seth Lugo isn't
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going to be Seth Lugo for forever.
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Eventually that role is going to have to be fulfilled.
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And I it feels like it's kind of a natural fit.
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And for those unfamiliar, it everything he does motion arm
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angle like it's very Cole Hamels.
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And I can, I can guarantee that he probably grew up watching him
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or Kershaw and trying to emulate something because there's a lot
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of that in his game. It looks good.
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I I think the Royals have something with him.
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So I was surprised it wasn't a little more money. 13 mil 13
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1/2. Yeah, the the extension was
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three because if I recall, he, he agreed to come back, back in
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the fall, right. Yeah, I I'm assuming he was
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still, he's got to be still in ARB years before this.
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No, I thought, am I crazy? I thought it was back in like.
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Bing, Bing, Bing. Come on.
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Spot track open. Maybe I'm thinking of some
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somebody else. I think you're right.
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Because I mean what? Oh, yeah.
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Third year ARB. What am I talking about?
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Yeah, third year ARB in 2028. You're right.
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You're right. You're right.
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Yeah, 2025 was supposed to be still be pre ARB so.
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Yeah. So the extension get back to
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your question, three years, 13 and a quarter $1,000,000 for the
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27 year old, which will take him through the 2027 season, which
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honestly, based on what you're saying, I think is, is a great
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fit for the Royals because that's the you would hope for
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their sake and specifically for Bobby Witt's sake, because you
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know, we're big Bobby Witt guys. We want to see him succeed.
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We want to see him thrive. You hope that those three years
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will be part of a window where they're hopefully doing
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something, making some noise in that division and, and, and
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beyond that, once they get to the post, if and when they get
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to the postseason and having Cole Reagan's at the forefront
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of that, I think it's going to be huge.
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So, you know, very, very team friendly deal, especially if he
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comes out and replicates what he did.
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And maybe even finds a way to take it up a notch, being able
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to settle in more with another season under his belt, get a
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little more a little bit more comfortable.
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This could end up I'm going to be honest, I.
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Guess I just didn't realize like the couple struggle years with
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Texas, yeah, that he had in 2022 and 2023.
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Yeah. But I, I think I think like
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you're sort of alluding to, I think he's turned a corner.
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And I think that, like I said, this could be this could be huge
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for the warriors if you're able to get if you're able to get
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more of what you've already gotten from him at that price.
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They. Feel like they've yeah, I know.
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And if it feels like they may have like kind of tapped into
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something that, you know, that maybe Texas didn't see or didn't
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get out of them posted A49 war last year, like that's come on.
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Well, I'm saying. That's not bad at all. 314 ERA,
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186 innings. That's a #2 all day for most
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rotations. So yeah, hopefully he can do
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that. I guess I was unfamiliar with
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his age, obviously a little late in the game, you know, being 27.
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So it's going to be interesting to see if he does, you know,
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pitch up to that potential and hits the market again at 3031.
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And maybe he's seen as somebody who's a stud.
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Like that'd be that'd be kind of cool.
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It'd be kind of cool. So good for the Royals
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continuing to have a really good offseason this back-to-back good
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off seasons. A great sort of Kansas City
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Royals are on a great trajectory.
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Keep it up. Speaking of having a good off
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season and and being on a good trajectory, Paul Skeens has
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decided to take it upon himself to.
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I mean how else? How else can we say it just make
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him so more unhittable? Reports came out that he is
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looking to add a sinker and a cutter to his arsenal.
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To which I say good luck everyone else, good luck.
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Because you look at you look at what his arsenal was last year
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and I think we were, we confirmed this before we hopped
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on last year. He had a four seam, he had a
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slider and his splinker. And you saw he put up a sub 2
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ERA, right? Is that what did he finish with?
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I know it was sub two. What what, what was the final
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number he put up last year? Do you remember?
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198. 196196 You know what? I'll thank you.
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It's in the ballpark. I mean, come on, we're talking.
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What's your decimal? We're talking 100th, 100th,
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100th of a decimal, 200th of a decimal.
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I'll take it's in the. It's in the ballpark.
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Yeah, I mean, what are we doing, man?
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Like. Can you?
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Can you give the rest of the league a chance?
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I know. I know and like we like we
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talked about when we when we were picking guys to bet on who
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are under the age of 25 in the 2025 season.
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And I, I prefaced it by saying this was the easiest pick that
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you and I both made was, was adding Paul Skeens to that list.
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But it's for good reason that there is as much of A guarantee
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as you can make without making 100% guarantee, because as we
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know, anything can happen. But as close to being a
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guarantee as you can get that Paul Skeens is not going to
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suffer any effects of any sort of sophomore slump.
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This guy's game, he just, he pitches at a level that makes
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you forget how old he is. This guy, this guy goes about
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his business, takes the mound as if he's been in the league for a
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decade. And so when you take that into
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account, combine it with the fact that, oh, he did what he
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did his his first season with just three pitches.
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I know. And then he's going into a
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second year adding two more. It's just, it's, I don't, how do
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you, how do you, how do you defend that?
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Like as a guy, as a hitter, as an, as an offense, as a team?
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How do? What do you do with that?
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You can't. There's nothing to do with that.
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I keep going back to that that did you see that pitching ninja
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interview where they were talking about the All Star game?
25:18
I think it's an All Star game, maybe not All Star.
25:20
It was it was him and Soto. They were matching up and it was
25:23
a Soto at bat and they were talking about using the same
25:30
tunnel and what it it was breaking down as they're doing
25:35
the interview, it's showing the video and it's breaking down how
25:38
he Yanks a fastball kind of down and in towards Soto's back foot.
25:43
And you see a little shuffle out of out of Soto because he ate
25:46
ate it. You know, it kind of does that
25:48
pound the hip thing. And then I think it's like a it
25:52
made that like A22 or A32 count. And then he comes fastball back
25:57
in where it starts at that front hip and then runs back in and
26:00
catches the inner half and for a backwards K.
26:03
And so you're like when when Paul Skeens is talking about
26:06
using his misses, that's what he's talking about.
26:11
And so now when you're talking about these pitches that he
26:13
wants to add, he wants every direction covered, right?
26:17
Because that splinker is going straight down.
26:20
That fastball has run arm side. He wants that cutter to come in
26:26
glove side. Now we have that slider coming
26:28
down and in, right? So like now he can use all of
26:32
these angles and all of these different tunnels and still like
26:38
that's what having so many pitches does.
26:40
That's why you see success out of a you Darvish out of guys
26:44
that just have is so much to work with is because chances are
26:49
you hear this all the time. Starters don't have every pitch
26:52
working on a given start. Rarely does that happen.
26:56
Maybe one or two starts in a year where they feel so good
26:59
with everything and sometimes it's not even ending up a good
27:02
start with other variables affecting it.
27:05
So when you're talking about now having a guy who's so good with
27:08
those 3 pitches, let's add two more and let's see what can
27:13
work. Then even with my misses, even
27:16
with something that I'm not using, I can swap it out.
27:21
Another AB talks about how his fastball ran out away against
27:27
the lefty. Another two strike account and
27:30
he's going to throw a backdoor slider on that same tunnel that
27:34
starts out at the same spot and catches the outer half.
27:37
Like when you start thinking and attacking hitters on that level
27:44
with the magic of what he has in his stuff, good.
27:52
I don't. Good luck.
27:53
Like I don't. If.
27:56
Or did not immediately put him into the elite status it really
28:00
is. Yeah, and and to your credit,
28:04
you're you're very quick to remind people like let's let's
28:09
stop abusing the whole goat thing and not to say.
28:11
I hate goat. Yeah, I hate to go.
28:13
Yeah, that conversation can get carried away at times.
28:16
And I'm not saying that we're we're even remotely close to
28:19
putting Paul Skeens in that category yet, but take it a take
28:22
it a tear down, take it a step down.
28:26
I don't think it's a stretch to put a guy like Paul Skeens, like
28:30
you said, to use the word you said into the category of elite
28:33
in baseball right now, having only seen one season of him in
28:37
in in Major League Baseball. I I don't think it's a stretch
28:45
because and what I was saying before that is something that I
28:48
feel like we have to remind listeners, the people watching
28:51
of is the difficulty of hitting a pitch in Major League
28:57
Baseball. And you see all these videos all
28:59
the time about the challenges presented at that you that you
29:06
are are faced with as a hitter because you get people that are
29:10
watching these games going. How in the world did you swing
29:13
at that? How in the world did you take
29:14
that pitch? How in the world did you miss
29:15
that? It's easy when you're when
29:19
you're watching a game from the point, from the perspective of
29:24
what the what they're seeing behind the pitcher.
29:27
Yeah, you've got The Cave zone on the screen, right?
29:31
Where it gets challenging, though, is when you take the
29:35
overlays, where you've got three different video clips overlaid
29:41
on top of one another. You've got a.
29:42
Four. Same release point.
29:44
Same. Release point Same same movement
29:48
for the 1st. 1420 feet that it looks identical like you have no
29:53
idea come on the. Same, call it 30 feet of by
29:59
which by the way, you're not even really tracking because if
30:02
you the. Human eye hasn't caught up yet.
30:05
Human, human eye just won't catch up.
30:08
And, and you hear this all the time, but if you look at an
30:11
image of a guy at contact point and you look at where his eyes
30:16
are, and again, most of you may already know this, but some of
30:20
you, this may be news to you. If you look at A at a, if you
30:22
look at a hitter at contact point, you're always told to
30:26
keep your eye on the ball. You can't physically as, as a
30:28
major leaguer, you cannot do that.
30:30
The closest thing you can get to is looking at about where the
30:35
ball was maybe 20 feet from actually making contact with the
30:41
bat. So again, going back to the the
30:45
difficulty, the challenges that a guy like Paul Skeans can
30:48
present to a hitter by adding additional pitches with
30:52
movement. We're not just talking about
30:54
like, oh, he's, he's making some tweaks to his force team.
30:58
He's literally adding two additional pitches that
31:02
introduce new types of movement that he is yet to really
31:05
harness, that he is really yet to master that.
31:08
I would imagine with any of amount of work put in, as he's
31:13
doing right now in spring training, that he's eventually
31:16
going to have an arsenal that just makes him nearly
31:19
untouchable every time he takes the ball.
31:21
A. 100% and that I think that's the what what we're talking
31:26
about him getting into the elite status is now let's try to find
31:30
a way to get outs quicker in an AB.
31:33
Let's keep the pitch, pitch countdown and have pitches that
31:38
get me outs without having to go maximum 1O21O3 effort, which he
31:44
can still do whenever he wants. But let's find a way to manage
31:48
the game a little bit better. And that's the beauty of
31:50
starting pitching. That's the beauty of guys that
31:54
are in this category is because it's a little bit of I've got
32:00
the Aroldis Chapman ability in me and a little bit of AI can
32:04
also tap into a Greg Maddox game manager type starting pitching.
32:10
And if you can do both of that, that's why you're in that
32:14
category. And I think that's what he's
32:15
really trying to get to. How can I get outs without just
32:20
overpowering you constantly? So it's going to be it's going
32:27
to be nasty. And, and he's just going to
32:29
continue to reach that fame, that that fame, dude, everything
32:34
that's he's gotten is, is well deserved.
32:37
Star power Wish, Yeah, leads me to ask one question as we wrap
32:41
up this segment before we move on.
32:45
Have we already seen the bat that we would want to see Paul
32:52
Skeens take on? And when I say that, I'm
32:56
referring to the All Star game last year going up against
32:58
Judge. No, it's the first pitch.
33:01
I wanted that IV to go a little longer.
33:04
No, but I'm just saying in in terms of matchups, like is there
33:07
anybody else that you would rather see take on Paul Skeens
33:13
in a bat or is Aaron judge it because we got.
33:20
I love Aaron Judge. I love Aaron Judge.
33:22
But I, I, I do think that like, as far as an AT bat goes, I
33:27
think Juan Soto gives you a better at bat because he's
33:31
capable of doing a lot more. True.
33:35
And and he has obviously has a better eye.
33:42
But yeah, I mean, like you said, like we've had the Otani, you've
33:44
had the Soto, we've had Judge four or five years ago.
33:52
Mike Trout. I don't.
33:53
I like maybe if we can get the healthy Mike Trout that's back
33:57
on track. I mean, I'd love to see Bobby
34:02
Witt, you know, that's I think that's a great match up just
34:05
because again, like the multiple tools and the skill set that he
34:09
provides. Probably not the probably not
34:13
the sexiest of answers but just just came to mind.
34:16
I feel like I would love to see Bryce Harper would give a a
34:20
great at bat. But I feel like you or Don would
34:23
be an awesome match up because you've got power going up
34:25
against power and like if you or Don is able to connect on a Paul
34:30
Skeens. Yeah, for sure, dude.
34:33
How far is that baseball going? I think I also look at like, I
34:37
mean, again, like you probably have to go back four or five
34:41
years. I don't know if you have this
34:42
version of him anymore. But like a Jose, Altuve is
34:46
willing to expand the zone and fight stuff off.
34:49
That's more of like a baseball nerd answer.
34:52
Like I I want to see a guy that can give you a competitive at
34:55
bat. Yeah, exactly.
34:57
That's kind of like why I I like that is because like it's hard
35:02
to have an at bat that combines again, like a Wan soda where I
35:05
have the vision. I can fight stuff off, I can
35:08
spit on things and I can also take you 450 at any point.
35:13
So it's hard to imagine a better AB than that.
35:19
I love it. I love it.
35:23
Let's see. Let's see.
35:54
I was going to swing right into it and it, I hit the button and
35:57
it was like, actually, no, today's Sunday, we're going to
36:01
take today off. And I said, well, well, whose
36:04
thought was this sound bite? I'm going to really need you to
36:06
come through for me here. So I hit it again and I was
36:09
like, all right, cool, we got you, don't worry.
36:12
Right, right, right. What do you want first?
36:14
You want the quote or you want the date episode.
36:18
Give me the quote. Here's what I think about this
36:23
So if Opening Day is our Christmas, today is like the day
36:27
after Thanksgiving. We're officially in the
36:29
Christmas slash baseball season for this analogy, and we are
36:33
just getting ready for it. Episode 44.
36:40
Oh, February 13th, 2019. That's a I'm going to go ahead
36:51
and prematurely give myself the correct answer.
36:55
That's a you quote. Big time.
36:57
That's a you. Quote.
36:58
That's a fire analogy too. That's great.
37:01
No, that's great that that was too beautifully said where I was
37:04
like, I don't know if I could, if I could talk something like
37:07
that to to summarize where we're at in the.
37:10
Those are bars I think. Baseball is like bars for sure.
37:13
Bars for sure. Yeah, no, I mean that perfectly.
37:17
Said perfectly said, Yeah, we're in, we're in.
37:22
We're tis the season. Tis the season to be jolly.
37:26
You know, we're getting prepped, getting all our stuff in order,
37:31
just waiting for Christmas morning.
37:34
Speaking of getting stuff in order, I am pulling up the
37:37
results of the voting for the last draft.
37:41
Was it ugly, guy? I I think it was probably ugly.
37:45
On whose behalf? My like my my behalf, I didn't
37:50
have a good showing. According to the Instagram poll,
38:00
Nate won by a vote of 63% to 37%.
38:06
Which tells me. Get out of here, which tells me.
38:11
I told you love Soto and Otani are stop and skeens.
38:17
Those three names are hard to get over.
38:20
I'm convinced how great as Scubal was.
38:26
The fact that Royce Lewis is on this list tells me everything I
38:30
need to know. It's. 30 homers.
38:33
Tells me everything I need to know.
38:36
Yeah, but you could have gone that's.
38:38
Not a That's not a good. That's not a good.
38:41
Right, which is not a good. Sign for you.
38:42
Which is what I wanted to say. I mean, there's no way we could
38:47
actually pull it off. But, well, I mean, we could, you
38:51
know, we could. In fact, this is a great idea.
38:54
I might put out a dummy, a dummy draft to target the people that
39:00
totally take the names off. No, no, no, I'm not worried
39:03
about that. I'm not worried about that.
39:04
I might just put out a dummy draft and I'm going to stick
39:07
with what I've done the last few drafts because you've won.
39:09
I'm going to put you on the left side and I'm going to just put a
39:14
bunch of nonsense in the draft. In fact, I might.
39:17
I might make your team so bad, I don't even know what the
39:20
category would be, but I might make your team so bad that
39:24
anybody that actually voted for you, you would have to assume
39:26
was it by accident. And I guarantee you, you're
39:29
still going to win. Because I think people just look
39:32
at the first option on the poll where it's like, would you vote
39:35
for Nate or Kyle? And I put you first because you
39:37
win. So I put you on the left side,
39:39
ergo first. I'm telling you man.
39:44
Should I put out a dummy draft? I think I should, and then I'll
39:46
put out the real draft. I'll put out the real results.
39:48
Like the next day, couple hours later kind of thing.
39:55
Yeah, yeah, little gap. Yeah, a little bit of a gap.
39:58
I do not think I I catch these frauds.
40:01
I can see why the team would get votes.
40:06
Like I said it was it was Skeens, Otani, Soto.
40:08
Those are names that are going to get votes, but not that much
40:11
of A, not that much of A. That's what I'm saying.
40:14
These people clearly don't know ball and it's fine.
40:16
Like, you know, not everybody can know ball.
40:18
But I mean. All I ask is it just you just
40:21
know a little ball, You know you don't have to know all ball, but
40:24
some ball would be nice. Yeah, well, this is a fun one.
40:26
This is different. Shout out Andrew, one of our
40:29
listeners hit us up with this idea.
40:31
It's going to be a fun one today.
40:33
So what we're going to do which. Hold on, but which reminds me,
40:36
shout out to those of you who have sent in topics like I
40:40
there's, I've got, there's some folks in the in the DMS who have
40:43
said, hey, I got an idea for the draft.
40:45
Keep that coming. I have made note of it.
40:47
I haven't forgotten about your, your all's messages.
40:51
But we, you know, we got a lot of drafts to get to and I don't
40:54
know how long we're maybe we just run the drafts up to the
40:57
season. Maybe we modify it and keep the
40:59
drafts around. It's hard to it's hard to say
41:01
goodbye to these. To be honest.
41:02
I'm struggling. I mean, you said it yourself,
41:04
maybe we become the just the draft pod just.
41:07
That's all we do. That's all.
41:08
We don't even talk ball, we just talk drafts.
41:11
But anyway, I hate it. Go ahead and let the folks know
41:13
what we're doing here. Yeah.
41:15
So we're going to have a randomizer go over the last 25
41:18
seasons. So the year 2000 to the year
41:21
2024, we're going to take the randomizer and then we're going
41:26
to choose whatever year's World Series winner team is.
41:31
And then Kyle and I will draft a player off that team.
41:37
From the loud our winner. The same way it's been filled
41:40
out. So we're going to have a starter
41:41
or a lever. Catch her all the way down to
41:44
right field plus ADH and same rules apply with the snake draft
41:53
randomizing the year. Laura said the season hasn't
41:58
started yet. You'll talk more ball once it
41:59
does. Believe me, Laura, we'll talk
42:01
ball. But we love talking drafts, so
42:03
we may try to figure out a way to make it happen.
42:06
She's going to have three hour episodes, I guess.
42:09
I'm here for it. If it means just doing a draft,
42:12
I'll I'll talk 4. Hours.
42:13
I don't even care all. Right.
42:15
So you know, by default I'm going to put you first here.
42:19
I didn't have. To erase that.
42:22
That's nice. Oh, it must be nice too.
42:24
Yeah, whatever. OK, first year that we are
42:31
choosing is. You have like a link that you're
42:39
using by the way. I'm assuming Baseball Reference
42:42
has that? No, I mean.
42:47
Just you just pull up the roster from the year that is selected.
42:52
I know it's just baseball Reference is so nice.
42:55
It's like straight there, all right.
42:59
All right, this is lame. I had it.
43:01
Hold on, stand by. I had it set up.
43:07
So we're going from 2000, sorry I had to refresh the page, to
43:10
2024. Nate has the 1st pick snake
43:14
draft. The first year we're choosing is
43:18
2015, which is the Kansas City Royals.
43:25
I did find it on. And it has to be the World
43:36
Series roster. We're not going.
43:38
It can't just, it can't just have played.
43:43
At any point for that team, goodness.
43:55
Oh, this is interesting, This is interesting.
43:59
This is going to be a challenge. I think so.
44:04
And I just love you. I I can already see it.
44:06
I'm going to there's going to be somebody in the comments being
44:08
like, no, Aaron Judge, no valid roster.
44:13
It's like, OK, well, first of all.
44:15
Aaron Judge has played in one World Series and lost that World
44:18
Series, so he's not even eligible.
44:20
So I'll just go ahead and save you all the the trouble because
44:22
I, I, I know that's coming and I just want to get out in front of
44:26
that before it gets here, even though it still will.
44:29
Now, like, what's the mentality here?
44:31
We like, are we going off of like the like the year the guy
44:35
had? It's.
44:39
Whatever you think is going to win you the draft all.
44:42
Right. All right.
44:43
Well, I waited really late to get a catcher last draft, so I'm
44:48
not going to do that. I'm going the opposite.
44:50
Give me Sally Perez behind the dish.
44:55
Of. Course.
44:56
Is that what you wanted? Well, obviously, yeah.
45:03
I mean, there's other names in here.
45:07
Give me. Give me.
45:29
I'm just going to go ahead and say give me.
45:40
I'm choosing between two names here.
45:42
OK. Yeah, it's tough because it's
45:48
like, are we going, are we going off of like this is tough.
45:54
Like that year overall, yeah. I don't know.
46:04
Give me. Give me Alex Gordon.
46:14
OK, Give me Alex Gordon. Left.
46:22
Not my favorite choice. You.
46:23
See Lorenzo Kane that year had A7 war, 838 OPS.
46:31
Yeah, but that and that's why I said.
46:33
Centerfield is a tough one to lose, though.
46:35
Right, And that's the other thing too, is like, do are
46:37
people going to remember that? Because it it all comes down to
46:40
it all comes down to sort of initial like when you think of
46:45
this player, because they're not going to think about like, oh,
46:47
how did Lorenzo Kane do in 2015? They're going to think, oh,
46:50
Lorenzo Kane career. Yeah.
46:54
Not going to be not going to be the best for us.
46:57
All right, next. World Series winning team.
47:01
You're up first. I'm up first the year's 2020,
47:07
that is the COVID shortened season, that's the Los Angeles
47:10
Dodgers and I'm going to go ahead and choose.
47:17
OK, so here's another thing. See if you're tracking with me
47:22
here. Position then or position now?
47:26
Correct. So predictable because that
47:31
change it well, your head's your head's at where my head's at,
47:34
so. Sure, sure.
47:35
No, I hear you. I'm with you.
47:38
I would say position then. OK.
47:47
All right then Kimmy, Kimmy Mookie Betson, right.
47:53
I mean, I'm not, I'm not going to over overthink it here.
47:56
That's too easy. It's too easy of a choice.
47:59
And maybe I've had Mookie Betts multiple on multiple teams.
48:06
Maybe Mookie's my curse. Maybe that's why I keep losing.
48:09
Possible. Maybe that's why I keep losing
48:12
drafts. It is possible your boy Spores
48:19
was on this team. Dodgers, Yeah.
48:23
I didn't know that. Yep, sure was.
48:27
Hey, he's, he's our boy now. I mean, I played ball with him,
48:30
but he's he's a friend of the program.
48:33
Program. This is tough, man, because it's
48:37
like there's some good names in here.
48:43
I think this is the first draft where it's actually been a
48:45
challenge to to to weigh like that the year he had for that
48:52
World Series winning team versus.
48:56
Versus just career like, 'cause we didn't, we didn't specify.
49:00
So it's sort of up for interpretation.
49:02
Right. I mean.
49:09
I can already see it now. People be like if Nate didn't
49:12
have Salvador Perez, Kyle wins in a landslide, but Salvador
49:17
Perez really puts him over the puts him over the the hump.
49:21
It's like, OK. Oh man.
49:24
It's tough to to burn either of these right away.
49:30
Go ahead and do it. I don't think I want to.
49:42
So predictable. So predictable.
49:50
Give me Corey Seeger. OK, OK.
49:57
Why? What were you thinking?
49:58
Well, no 'cause we got repeats in here, so we can't true.
50:05
All right, Nate's up with the next pick 2017, the infamous
50:13
Houston Astros. This sucks.
50:16
Love that. Yeah.
50:30
Wow, wow. Yeah, that's my favorite part of
50:40
these drafts is people just don't read.
50:42
So we're going to get on here and people because people's
50:44
going to be there's going to be somebody that's like, no, no,
50:49
Walter Johnson, this draft isn't valid.
50:51
It's like, well, wasn't wasn't eligible for this draft, friend.
51:02
Jeez, man. Oh.
51:05
Man, don't overthink this here. Can I call you that?
51:12
No. What I'm trying to figure out is
51:14
that like, do you want to do like how are we treating these
51:19
names? Are we treating these names
51:21
based on their performance that year, just overall?
51:25
Do your best to make it like a hybrid like just because again,
51:29
nobody is going to sit there and analyze our picks based on like
51:33
oh, how did player XYZ do in the.
51:36
The 2017 World Series, they're just going to look at it like,
51:39
Oh yeah, they they probably played a pivotal role in that
51:42
team and career wise also a good player.
51:45
So sort of blend it if you can. I mean, why are you?
52:00
Why are you acting like there's a slam dunk?
52:02
There's good team, just good names on this team, obviously.
52:09
Just. All right, fine.
52:11
Give me Jose Altuve a second. Did you just bait me into taking
52:19
this name that you're about to take?
52:22
No. No.
52:25
Did you? I don't know what to talk about.
52:28
Give me. You know what?
52:34
I'm just going to do it. Go ahead and give me.
52:39
Justin Verlander, you. Baited me.
52:42
Hall of Famer that's. Unbelievable.
52:44
You baited me 'cause you talked me out of it.
52:47
He made 5 starts. What are what is that?
52:52
What is that year? What are you talking about?
52:57
If I Scroll down, I look at. Again, nobody's going to
53:00
remember that, so they're going to see my pick and go, oh,
53:02
Justin Verlander, yeah, he helped.
53:04
He helped get that team to. The world 34 innings that year.
53:09
You. Baited me.
53:11
You baited me because that was the name I was going to take.
53:14
Asked me if I care. And then you're like, no, I'll
53:16
try to find a hybrid. Now the gloves are off.
53:21
So hybrid. He threw 34 innings.
53:23
He made a start in the World Series.
53:25
He was on the roster. He it counts.
53:28
Whatever. It counts.
53:32
You baited me. All right, next pick.
53:38
Freaking bum. Love it.
53:41
Gloves are off now. Come on, let's play some.
53:43
Let's play some hardball here. 2013 The bearded brothers of
53:48
Boston, the Boston Red Sox. Nate gets first pick.
53:52
Yay, can't wait. Give me David Ortiz DH sick.
54:03
Sick. I hate you.
54:06
I hate you so much. Oh, sort of serious here.
54:11
Jokes aside. I forgot again last time to
54:15
mention the trades thing. So keep trades in mind for this
54:17
draft should we get to the end and and want to make any sort of
54:20
any sort of deal. Fair enough.
54:23
All right, give me, give me Dustin Pedroit second.
54:45
This ain't too bad so far. Oh, we got good squads.
54:51
All right. You and Ortiz, do I get first
54:55
pick? Yeah.
54:57
I mean, let's be honest though, the odds of of of getting
55:00
another Red Sox team are pretty good.
55:02
If we're talking about turn of the century here.
55:06
Pretty good. Not the Red Sox, but another Sox
55:13
team. 2005 Chicago White Sox. What we got here?
55:23
Oh, this will, this will take some recall who was on that
55:26
World Series roster. Oh, that have been a good pick.
55:41
Give me. Oh, oh, hold on, baby.
55:56
Come on. Come on, I.
55:58
Already know what you're doing? Shut your mouth.
56:01
I know exactly what you're doing.
56:03
Shut your mouth. Oh, hold on.
56:10
No, I don't know if I can. Why did he not play in the World
56:15
Series? Yeah, I don't think he did.
56:20
But Tony, no, stop. Get out of my head.
56:23
I know exactly what you're looking up.
56:26
Get out of my head. What?
56:39
Oh, you know what it was? No, you.
56:44
No. What am I saying?
56:47
I got to get to the bottom of this.
56:54
He's not listed on. All right, well, OK, everybody,
57:01
everybody knows what I'm thinking here, so I'm just going
57:03
to go ahead and say it. Frank Thomas.
57:13
Played 34 games that year. Yeah, he.
57:17
Did he retire that year? Like what was the deal?
57:20
He was injured during the world. No, I didn't retire.
57:23
He was injured, Yeah. Didn't make the was unable to
57:27
play in the postseason while the White Sox won the World Series.
57:29
That sucks. I didn't retire.
57:32
I forgot he retired in Oakland. Shoot.
57:36
OK, well that changes things. Go ahead and give me wouldn't
57:46
give me AJ Pierzynski behind a dish.
57:48
I don't. Feel like writing his last name
57:53
out? P i.e.
57:56
RI think it's ZYNSKY? Is it P i.e.?
58:01
It's Ki, Yeah, yeah, Yep. Got it.
58:05
Give me Paul Kinerico at first. All right, all right.
58:10
Solid year that year by the way. 40 and 100 with a nine O 9 OPS.
58:15
I'm not here to sell the audience.
58:21
Oh no no, didn't have to sell Verlander being a freaking
58:26
swoop. I wasn't selling anything.
58:28
I was. I was dirty.
58:30
I was justifying the pick that he was eligible because he made
58:34
a start in the World Series. I wasn't selling him on
58:36
anything. OK.
58:39
Who's got first pick? You got first pick all right.
58:42
Next pick is 2011, which was the.
58:47
Saint Louis Cardinals. Cardinals, correct?
58:49
I don't know, I was blanking on that one.
58:56
Tough, tough, tough, tough. Tough to tough to burn a first
59:04
baseman. Oh yeah, around before this.
59:17
Don't have a catcher that I can use.
59:21
Either so. Oh, all right, all right.
59:28
Yeah. I thought I missed the boat
59:29
here. Yeah, no, you're you're smack
59:32
dab right on center of the boat. I'll go ahead and take that.
59:38
Yeah. I guess I'll go with Mr. Mr.
59:50
Matt Holiday and left. All right.
1:00:07
Oh crap, what was the cousin? 5 is what we had in the last
1:00:14
round, right? Say what?
1:00:18
We had 2005 last round. Yep, next.
1:00:22
The worst World Series in the history of.
1:00:25
That was tough. All right, so you chose first?
1:00:30
I went, Albert Pujols at first. Did I?
1:00:37
Am I choosing first? Yeah.
1:00:39
All right. You already did. 20/17/2003 Sick
1:00:47
The Florida Marlins. Some studs on this team.
1:00:55
For sure, for sure, but not one that I would have necessarily
1:01:02
loved to. Not a team I would have loved to
1:01:05
have. Choosing first here, boy.
1:01:24
Oh, ah, shoot. Oh, Nope, I can still do it.
1:01:30
I can still do it because you know why.
1:01:38
Because he played that position as well, didn't he?
1:01:44
Let's confirm here just. Loading up on Hall of Farmers
1:01:48
over there. Well, hold on, let's pump the
1:01:52
brakes here. Because I made my selection to
1:02:01
put Mookie Betts in, right, Because that was the position he
1:02:06
played. Although, you know, I, I could,
1:02:22
I could burn it here. I, I have the spot open.
1:02:29
He played at this position in 2003.
1:02:33
I am going to go ahead and put Miguel Cabrera.
1:02:39
That third. At third base.
1:02:48
Oh yeah, they're going to look at this team.
1:02:53
They're going to look at this draft.
1:02:54
And I, again, I can already hear it, They're going to go.
1:02:56
Kyle would have won in the landslide, but Paul Konerko
1:02:59
really sets Nate's team over the edge.
1:03:01
So I'm going to give the 6535 edge to Nate.
1:03:05
Here Miguel Juan Pierre in center.
1:03:16
Tides are turning, my friend. The tides are turning.
1:03:19
Yeah, it's been a rough, rough draw of the of the order.
1:03:26
The order is what's been getting me. 2003, that was Florida
1:03:33
Marlins. Next team we got is and you're
1:03:40
choosing first the 2018 Boston Red Sox.
1:03:47
Yay. So we haven't run into this
1:03:51
issue before, but I'm assuming I can't.
1:03:57
Take Mookie, Betsy. Right.
1:03:58
Yeah, yeah. I don't think so.
1:04:01
We'll just say the player is is accounted for.
1:04:04
I would like to, but I don't think that's, I don't think
1:04:09
that's allowed. I think you are correct in that.
1:04:21
Let's see here I'll go. Craig Kimbrell.
1:04:25
Oh. True, we're doing relief
1:04:26
pitchers. That's a good call.
1:04:34
Which may hurt my votes, by the way, just based on the last few
1:04:38
years of performance. That's what I'm saying that's
1:04:41
you got to take that into account.
1:04:43
Yeah, but I ain't here for the voters.
1:04:45
I'm here for me, you know? And are we're not doing, we're
1:04:49
not doing manager right. You just want to stick.
1:04:53
Yeah, not this one. Yeah, not this one, not that I
1:04:58
was even thinking core, but I just it, I was getting down to
1:05:01
the bottom of the board and I was like crap, we're running out
1:05:03
of space. Give me.
1:05:30
Oh, hold on. Kyle has his reliever,
1:05:38
shortstop, center field and DH open.
1:05:46
Yep, I'm going to do it. Give me Raphael Devers as my DH.
1:06:01
I was close. I must, I must pull the trigger
1:06:03
on somebody else. Glad I caught that.
1:06:07
OK, I got first pick. How about that?
1:06:11
You get Rafael Devers in a in a in a given year choosing second.
1:06:17
I mean, that's a steal. That's just a steal.
1:06:22
Yeah, I just didn't want them on my team, to be honest with you.
1:06:26
You know, I mean, every now and then you just choose to put
1:06:29
together a losing team, I guess, you know, keep, keep things fun.
1:06:34
2007 Oh, the Boston Red Sox. This is so ridiculous.
1:06:41
How about that crazy? Have we gotten every year?
1:06:46
All we're missing is 04. Yeah, goodness, you're up first
1:06:51
guy. Am I up first?
1:06:52
Yeah. All right, you went, Kimbrel.
1:06:58
Give me what you told me. What do I need or what do I have
1:07:03
left? You have reliever, shortstop,
1:07:06
center, I have starter, third base, right?
1:07:14
Oh wait, sorry, you said I have what left center.
1:07:19
Reliever shortstop center. Reliever.
1:07:22
Shortstop Center. Give me the.
1:07:37
Amount of freaking Red Sox on my team is disgusting.
1:07:41
Give me center, you said. Center.
1:07:47
Short and reliever. Give me rest in peace, Julio
1:07:58
Lugo. That's not who I'm going with.
1:08:00
Give me Jonathan Papabon. I lever.
1:08:13
Box. Have come across his name twice.
1:08:16
I passed on the first time but I cannot wait it out just in case.
1:08:21
So give me Josh Beckett on the mound.
1:08:24
There you go. That's a good pick.
1:08:27
I loved you, I. Thought about him as a Marlin.
1:08:30
Yeah, dude was dominant. Yeah.
1:08:35
All right. Good pick.
1:08:36
Good pick. Wait, wait, where are we at 03?
1:08:39
We. Went 03 Florida Marlins 2018
1:08:43
Boston Red Sox 2007 Boston Red Sox and you are choosing first
1:08:48
for the next year, which is your 2009 Yankees.
1:08:54
All right, I've got third and right, well, that pretty much
1:09:03
decides it for me. Give me a rod at third.
1:09:09
No offense. No offense to Nick Swisher.
1:09:12
Love me some swish but. Oh, that my my answer is already
1:09:18
What am I? Why am I doing this?
1:09:22
Why am I? Why am I doing this?
1:09:24
You got short and center. My friend, we might be looking,
1:09:28
we might be looking at A at a possible trade.
1:09:32
We might be. Why be looking at a our first
1:09:35
ever trade give me Jeter short. Yeah, give.
1:09:41
Me Jeter short so that leaves me with center.
1:09:45
And I got right field. And right field for the final
1:09:48
round here. Center's a good one to leave for
1:09:52
the last. It wasn't intentional.
1:09:55
Most teams are going to have a good center fielder.
1:09:57
Yeah, it wasn't intentional, but let's see here, 2008, that would
1:10:04
have been the Phillies. Phillies.
1:10:08
So who is the Phillies center fielder in 2008?
1:10:13
Tough. Tough.
1:10:15
What for me? Who do you need again?
1:10:19
Right field. Who was the?
1:10:30
You get the flying Hawaiian guy. Was he in?
1:10:33
What was he in center though? Yeah.
1:10:36
OK, that's what I thought, but I just want to make sure they'd
1:10:38
stick him out in the corner. All right, Shane, there's.
1:10:46
No other names I can slot in here, so I have to go with Mr.
1:10:54
Jason Worth in right field. That's not bad.
1:10:58
It's not great. I mean really either I mean
1:10:59
neither of those pics are slam dunks, but you know, it could
1:11:03
could have been a lot worse. All right, that'll do it.
1:11:08
All right, so let's talk trades here because I I feel like we
1:11:12
might be on the cusp of our first ever trade.
1:11:15
Yeah, which means that we have to go 2 for two because like,
1:11:20
you're not going to, you're not going to go 1:00 to 1:00.
1:11:23
Corey Seeger for Derek Jeter, You're not going to do that.
1:11:28
No, I mean in that instance, no, but I mean other, I mean
1:11:32
elsewhere around it. And I haven't even really looked
1:11:34
at him in depth yet, But I mean, there could be a scenario where
1:11:36
you could go one for one. And it makes sense.
1:11:41
But typically, yeah, I feel like it would be two for two or more.
1:11:44
I think the only position you're willing to trade would be your
1:11:48
shortstop and your catcher, but you don't see Sal Perez that
1:11:54
much more valuable than an AJ Pierzynski, do you?
1:11:57
Don't try. Stop trying to manipulate me you
1:12:00
little. I know your games, I know your
1:12:05
games. You could.
1:12:06
Be willing to part with a Shane Victorino for a Juan Pierre.
1:12:14
I don't want Juan Pierre. That's crazy.
1:12:20
You know it's not Juan Pierre over Shane Victorino.
1:12:23
It's not worth making a trade for unless there's more players
1:12:26
involved. There's no movement that's going
1:12:29
to happen here. There's no one you're going to
1:12:30
come off of. All right, I like Sal Perez at
1:12:35
catcher. Yeah, in a 2 for two situation,
1:12:39
would you move Sal Perez for AJ Przynski plus another move?
1:12:45
Do you would you be OK with having Pierzynski behind the
1:12:48
dish? I'd be OK with Pierzynski behind
1:12:51
the dish, but again. All right, all right, all right,
1:13:00
all right. Hear me out.
1:13:01
Hear me out, hear me out. How do you feel?
1:13:04
Because I know you want your guy.
1:13:05
I know you want your guy. How do you feel about?
1:13:11
A I know what you're doing. You want a three for three.
1:13:13
Shut up. Do you want You want David
1:13:16
Ortiz, Sal Perez, David Ortiz and Corey Seger for Rafael
1:13:23
Devers, Derek Jeter and AJ Pierzynski.
1:13:28
No, I can't do that. What's the hold up?
1:13:34
David Ortiz, Derek. Jeter.
1:13:37
I hear ya. I hear you.
1:13:40
I just think that. Is it, well, let me ask you this
1:13:44
is there is there sort of like they do in the fantasy baseball
1:13:49
app when somebody's per sends you a trade proposal and then
1:13:52
you're like, you can choose like which which guys you want to
1:13:56
kind of keep in the conversation and which guys are like, no,
1:13:58
I'm, I'm, I'm good. Is there room to work here?
1:14:03
Like we can amend that that package.
1:14:10
I would love for somehow to force you to have a rod on your
1:14:14
team, but you're not going to do that because Miguel Cabrera.
1:14:28
Well, well, here's the thing. How bad do you want David Ortiz?
1:14:31
Here's the thing, I could I remember I slotted Miggy at
1:14:34
third by default because he logged innings there that year.
1:14:39
But. We this is where we can't be, we
1:14:42
can't be switching positions, can we?
1:14:44
No, you if, if it's because I I could have slotted him and left
1:14:48
if my left left field slot was open.
1:14:52
So what if what if we did? What if we just like swapped
1:15:08
entire teams? What if what if, what if we did?
1:15:13
Oh, this is tricky, 'cause I'll look, I'll take a rod like that.
1:15:20
I'm trying to win a draft here, so I'm not, I'm not going to say
1:15:23
I'm not willing. I mean, I have Derek Jeter on my
1:15:25
team. What I mean?
1:15:26
What does that say about me? All right, all right, Hold on,
1:15:30
Hold on. Hold on, Hold on.
1:15:31
On. Look, my, I don't know if you're
1:15:35
going to do that. Look, no, no, no, hold on.
1:15:37
Hear me out. Hear me out.
1:15:38
My really my only untouchables at this rate, I would say just
1:15:44
for the sake of of of my team and an image protecting an image
1:15:49
here. Sure, I feel like Mookie Betts
1:15:52
and Justin Verlander, I want to keep just because I I like the
1:15:55
strength of those positions. But the names that I also like
1:15:59
such as are Rafael Devers and Albert pools.
1:16:02
I'd be willing to move or maybe not Albert Pools because you got
1:16:04
Paul Konarko, but like other Jeter, for example, you've got
1:16:09
you've Got Talent at at those positions.
1:16:11
So as much as I like Devers, I'd be willing to move a guy like
1:16:14
that. So just keep that in mind.
1:16:17
What were you? What were you going to say?
1:16:18
You you had something that you might offer.
1:16:26
Yeah, but Mookie was involved, so.
1:16:29
OK, we'll throw it out. I mean, I still stand by what I
1:16:32
said, but throw, I'm just curious.
1:16:33
Throw out what you what you were going to put out there and I
1:16:38
swear if you say Jason worth I'm I'm ending this call right now.
1:16:41
He was going to be in that. I was going to say if I if I put
1:16:47
in David Ortiz and I get Miguel Cabrera, you could you could
1:16:51
move Devers to 3rd to create room for David Ortiz at DH and
1:17:07
then. But in that deal, you're saying
1:17:13
I'm getting David Ortiz and Jason Worth?
1:17:15
And then Jason Worth and a rod for Jetermookie and Miguel
1:17:32
Cabrera. Any other hall of farmers you
1:17:34
want for my team? You want me to include
1:17:37
Verlander's just like a as a thank you or?
1:17:39
Whatever that is. That was such a scammy pick
1:17:42
anyway so I don't want to hear it.
1:17:44
All right. Can we go back to the deal that
1:17:46
I feel like made the most sense that we could we could make
1:17:49
tweaks to Sal Perez, David Ortiz and who?
1:17:55
What was the other one I said? Oh, and Corey Seeger for Derek
1:18:03
Jeter, Rafael Rafael Devers and AJ Pierzynski.
1:18:09
Let's build off of that because you want your guy.
1:18:12
I want my guy, and I want to make this work.
1:18:16
So what are we doing here? Let's figure this out.
1:18:19
I'm not leaving until a trade's been made.
1:18:26
Replace Miguel Cabrera with Devers and you got a deal.
1:18:38
So I'd be getting Sal, Perez, Sieger and Ortiz for Pierzynski.
1:18:45
Jeter and Miguel Cabrera. Sal Perez is a future Hall of
1:18:51
Famer, no? No, I got you.
1:18:53
No, no, I'm trying to hold on. Let me actually let me just mark
1:18:57
these down. Sal, Perez or you said Cabrera
1:19:04
and Jeter. OK, you got a deal.
1:19:14
Handshake, Handshake. All right, We made a trade.
1:19:20
All right, so all. Right.
1:19:22
So that gives you. Goes here, he goes here, he goes
1:19:27
here. So you're putting Miggy at DH?
1:19:33
I'm putting Miggy at DH and you have to move Devers to 3rd.
1:19:48
All right, so so Devers is now here.
1:19:55
Who's my DHDH? Is David Ortiz.
1:19:59
And Corey Seeger's my shortstop. All right.
1:20:04
I like that. I like that.
1:20:09
All right. So the final rosters, as it
1:20:12
were. Behind the dish, Nate has AJ
1:20:16
Pierzynski. At shortstop, he has Derek
1:20:19
Jeter, which I didn't write down.
1:20:21
At second base, he has Jose Altuve.
1:20:24
At his DH, he has Miggy. First base Paul Conerco, left
1:20:28
field Matt Holiday, center field Juan Pierre, right.
1:20:32
Excuse me, relief pitcher Craig Kimbrel.
1:20:34
Starting pitcher Josh Beckett. Third base, A Rod right field.
1:20:37
Jason Werth for Kyle, Alex Gordon and left.
1:20:41
Mookie Betts and right. Justin Verlander as a starting
1:20:44
pitcher, Dustin Pedroia at second.
1:20:52
Sal Perez as a catcher, Albert Pujols at first.
1:20:55
Rafael Devers at third, Dave Ortiz at DH.
1:20:59
Jonathan Papalbon, Very socks heavy.
1:21:02
Relief pitcher Jonathan Papalbon, Ori Seager, shortstop,
1:21:06
centerfield Shane Victorino. Feels even, feels real close to
1:21:12
even now. Feel like the odds got evened
1:21:15
out a little bit. I like that.
1:21:21
I mean, it feels even. Where were the odds?
1:21:24
I thought there, I thought that was a better trade for me.
1:21:29
I I mean I disagree but. Yeah.
1:21:34
I mean, Sal Perez, David Ortiz and Corey Seeger.
1:21:42
I mean. Jeter and Miggy, Yeah, I mean.
1:21:45
Not for sure for sure, but yeah. But to be able to honestly,
1:21:55
offloading AJ Brzezinski was was huge.
1:21:58
I I needed. To get it was big.
1:21:59
I need to get Brzezinski off my team, OK?
1:22:01
That'll do it. That was my mentality for Jason
1:22:03
Worth, but didn't have any such luck.
1:22:08
I mean, is there anything, is there anything you you want to
1:22:10
do before we? Close here, Just swap center
1:22:17
field and right field. What do you mean?
1:22:23
Give me Shane Victory on Mookie Betts.
1:22:24
You can have Juan Pierre and Jason Werth.
1:22:26
No, I don't know why you think Juan Pierre is like this elite
1:22:31
God. Come on now.
1:22:33
Oh. Stop.
1:22:34
This is where you're you're getting back in your
1:22:36
manipulative waves. I think I saw you stole 62 bases
1:22:40
that year. Well, what does that do for me?
1:22:44
What does that do for me? You're still going to lose by at
1:22:47
least 15%. No doubt, No doubt, Yeah.
1:22:50
Because they're going to look at your roster and be like, yeah, I
1:22:53
mean, I know how I know Kyle has Hall of Famer slash future Hall
1:22:57
of Farmers up and down that lineup.
1:22:58
But you know, Jason Worth and Wright really, really sets him
1:23:05
apart. Really sets him apart.
1:23:09
Ridiculous. Tired of it.
1:23:11
Let's get out of here. Let's get out of here.
1:23:16
We'll see you guys too. Don't get chasing curveballs.
1:23:21
Love you all, and as always, looking forward to talking more
1:23:23
baseball with you guys soon. Until next time, stay filthy.