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- Lisa Wilson: have you guys ever had like a terrible feeling that something bad was gonna happen, but then it did? And you're like, wait, did I just think that into existence? Is this my fault that that just happened? I'm a bad news barometer. The first time this ever happened to me, I was on a plane coming back from the trip of a lifetime. I'm watching a movie minding my own business. And suddenly I get the overwhelming urge to cry. I mean, I am sobbing so much so that my husband thinks something's wrong with me. And I literally lied to his face because I don't I didn't know what was going on. I just told him the movie was sad. I mean, what else was I supposed to do? And you guys, by the time we get to baggage claim, I'm completely normal. Like nothing ever happened. Later that day, though, my mom calls my dad has cancer, stage four, and that was when I knew something was up. I decided I needed to talk to my friend. I needed a witness. So I call up my friend and I tell her exactly what's happening. And then the bad thing happened. And her response, holy shit. So now every time I find myself crying for no reason. I call her and listen, her response is a little different because now she double checks everyone's seat belts. She looks both way before crossing the street. So that got us thinking, what do you believe in that you can't explain? Because I definitely want to talk about it. let's get into it. so Lisa, how are you doing? Lisa Smith: I'm doing great. How are you? Lisa Wilson: I'm good. I mean, just pondering the questions of the universe this week, right? Like it's just Lisa Smith: I know. Lisa Wilson: been it's been one of those weeks. So we are gonna talk today about all the things, the the weirdness and the vibes and the visions and all the things that happened to us that we cannot explain, but we 1000% believe that it is the universe talking to us. And I can't Lisa Smith: Yes. Lisa Wilson: think of like a more fun topic for us to talk about. Lisa Smith: I mean we've gotta keep it light. We gotta keep it yeah. Lisa Wilson: People might scream witch when they see me, but that's okay. Lisa Smith: You know what? We all have to have our things to get us through the day. That's all I have to say. So Lisa Wilson: We do. We do. A life without whimsy is not a life worth living. I absolutely Lisa Smith: There you go. There you go. Lisa Wilson: believe that. So we both have some close to our heart, supernatural or natural, depending on where you're at on that spectrum that happens Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Lisa Wilson: to us that we cannot explain. But one of the things I wanna ask is like, how are you on the the proof spectrum? Like do you absolutely need proof to believe in something or do you go with your gut? Lisa Smith: No, I do not need proof. I will go with how something makes me feel and Lisa Wilson: Mm-hmm. Lisa Smith: how something makes me like if it's calming or peaceful, then I know there's something to it. If it makes me all riled up or makes me frustrated or anxious, then I also know there's something to it, right? So I don't need to have it scientifically proven that it's going to change my feelings. So that's Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: kind of my gauge. What about you? Lisa Wilson: So for me, I mean, I need to see some proof. Like either Lisa Smith: Okay. Lisa Wilson: a repeated pattern or see it with my own two eyes. And you guys listen, when I talk about some of my vision stuff, you guys are gonna scroll back to the beginning and be like, proof, bitch, please. Because like I can't explain some of the things that I've seen, but I trust me when I tell you that if it if I hadn't seen it with these two very eyes or heard it with my ears, I would not have believed it. So I'm kind of in the middle on the spectrum. I also believe in intuition and Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: karma, which we're gonna talk a little bit fast, acting karma, but we're gonna talk about that a little bit later too. I wanna let anybody know who's listening. If you're somebody who starts a conversation out with Okay, I'm gonna tell you this, but I'm gonna sound crazy. You are a hundred percent in the right place. This is Lisa Smith: I've probably said that so many times in my life. I mean it's kinda sounds crazy, but have something to chat chat about. Lisa Wilson: This is your episode. This is the one you've been waiting on. So Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: buckle in. We're going to talk about it. before we tell each other our weird stories, I want to know how you react when something doesn't make any sense. So are you zen about it? Do you have a specific response? So I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you some questions. Are you ready? Lisa Smith: I th I think so. Lisa Wilson: All right. you think of someone you haven't talked to in ten years. Five Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: minutes later they text you. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: Is this a weird coincidence? Is this the universe is doing something? Or is this this I think about people all the time. There's nothing weird here. Lisa Smith: I I would say it would be the universe doing something. a hundred percent. I don't think not a lot of things just happen by chance, I don't believe. So I do think that there is definitely something to it. Lisa Wilson: I don't I don't believe in coincidence at all. I think it is absolutely e again, it might be the dimension thing that I talked about where I'm like, Lisa Smith: I Lisa Wilson: is Lisa in two different parallel universes right now? I'm Lisa Smith: Yes, yes. Lisa Wilson: gonna get you know what? I'm gonna go grab my Tim Foyle hat. I'll be right back. But I I just feel like there's gotta be like it's gotta be in the radio waves or something. I don't know. I don't know. Lisa Smith: I don't know either. I can't explain it. Lisa Wilson: No Lisa Smith: I can't explain it. I can't explain that, but it happens. Okay. Lisa Wilson: Mm-hmm. Okay, this one I wrote for you. So when you walk into a room and you feel like something is off, do you trust it? Okay. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Yes. Hundred percent. Hundred percent. Lisa Wilson: Would you wanna would you wanna find out if something bad happened or would you just be like, Nope, I'm out? Lisa Smith: Well, sometimes you can't say nope, I'm out, right? Like maybe it's walking into a meeting room and there was a heavy discussion that was happening right before you got in or something like that. And the room feels heavy and and icky. And even if people are trying to lighten the mood, it still isn't there. so yeah, I I definitely believe that sometimes you just can't. Pack your stuff and go, but if you can, absolutely get out. Because I don't know what it is. I don't know Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: if it's like, I mean, because everything is energy, right? And so Lisa Wilson: That's where I was going. Lisa Smith: everything is energy. And so people that, you know, start off the day in a bad mood and just sprinkle their negativity throughout the world, thanks, but no thanks. Lisa Wilson: Mm. Lisa Smith: But I think we run into that a lot. whether it be like I said, in the workplace, at the grocery store, you know, like think about it. When you're getting your hair done, if your hairdresser's in a bad mood or some has meg mega terrible news, it's kind of like everything, you know, flops. I'm not saying Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Yeah. Lisa Smith: that that it's necessarily your hairdresser, but if just whatever, you know? But Lisa Wilson: Absolutely believe in energy. So Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: if I walk into a place, if I walk into a room or house, a store, and it feels Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: like something, there's something wrong, Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: I believe there is something wrong and I leave. Especially Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: in the times again, I know I sound you guys do I sound crazy? Because yes, I do. But in the Lisa Smith: Ha ha ha Lisa Wilson: times of like mass shootings and in the times Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: of people getting Yanked and thrown into a van and dropped off somewhere or never to be seen from again. Like you cannot, I I believe that if you walk in and there was something off, you need to just respect that and you need to make the call. Either you just Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: turn around and come back later, like I did at Target yesterday, literally, or you're Lisa Smith: Mm. Okay. Lisa Wilson: like, you know what? This is just me being silly. But I I absolutely trust the vibe a hundred percent. So Lisa Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Gotta listen to your gut. Lisa Wilson: So this is where things you guys are gonna take a strange turn. So I woke up one morning. Like I always wake up early, you know that. And I got up and I like you know when you just first open your eyes, like I I'm a side sleeper, and I open my eyes to where my closet is. We had a very, very small house. And I woke up to like the clos. And you guys, when I tell you that this is true, I open Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: my eyes and there is a gargoyle dog sitting right Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: next to my bed. And I jumped back and like hit Doug, and he's like, What? And it was gone. Lisa Smith: Mm. Lisa Wilson: Like it was. It was there. Yes. Lisa Smith: It was there and then it was completely gone. Lisa Wilson: Like you know, like you know on a castle when you see a gargoyle, it's like Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: tall statue and it's just it was there. Lisa Smith: How did you move? Because if I get so scared, I can't move, I can't talk, I get like paralysis. Lisa Wilson: Dude, I jump when I get scared. Lisa Smith: Okay. Lisa Wilson: I'm not a badass at all, despite what I may per tell everybody. And I literally threw myself back and it, but it was gone just like that. I was never afraid. I wasn't scared that there was like a demon or anything. Like I was I felt it was very protective. I felt like for whatever Lisa Smith: really? Lisa Wilson: reason my ancestors or the universe sent this dog to watch over me for whatever reason. That's that that was Lisa Smith: Okay. Lisa Wilson: my vibe, right? So I was like, never saw it again. Never saw felt anything Lisa Smith: Okay. Interesting. Lisa Wilson: weird, never heard any like growling, never heard nothing. So I was like, all right, that was weird. But then, like, there's other things. So the other two things. One, I was driving the other day and I was with Doug in the car, and I see Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: in the sky this flock, like thousands of white birds. And they were like rippling like rippling like a wave in the sky. And it was a Lisa Smith: Okay. Lisa Wilson: it was a sunny day, and there was a blue sky. And I'm just seeing and Lisa Smith: Huh. Lisa Wilson: they're like like waving in and out. And I'm like, Doug, do you see this? And he's like, What are you talking about? I'm like, all the birds. And then they were gone. And he's like, What birds Lisa Smith: No way. Lisa Wilson: are you talking about? I'm like, they were like they're waving through the sky, like they were doing a pattern. And he's like, Nope, I don't know what you're talking about. I'm like, Lisa Smith: wow. Lisa Wilson: okay. And then I would love to say, Lisa Smith: I mean, but that would be that would be very consistent with like blackbirds. I could maybe see blackbirds happening, but not white, especially not white in your area for sure. Yeah, no. wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They kind of go in and out. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. yeah. Lisa Wilson: Yeah. White birds. Mm-hmm. No. And thousands of them. Like like you know what I mean when I say they're like rippling in the sky. Like they're right. Yeah. Yeah. So that was weird. I was like, all right. Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: And again, I know I saw it. He said it wasn't there, but now I I this last one you guys is super weird. And I've Googled the shit out of this. Lisa Smith: Ha ha ha. Lisa Wilson: Because it was so weird and I felt like it was a prophecy coming to life, but Lisa Smith: Okay. Lisa Wilson: I don't know what it means. So look baby witches out there, pr like women, oracles, like anybody out there that knows what this means, please put it in the chat because it has been driving me crazy. And I called Lisa and told her about it when it happened. Cause I'm like, I have to tell you this because I know it means something. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Lisa Wilson: So I'm sitting in the backyard, as I often do when I just need a break. And I sit have a chair Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: and it overlooks the pool and it overlooks like a field of grass, and there's big blue sky. And I'm sitting out there and out of the corner of my eye. And I look up and I think it's an airplane catching the sun. Cause that happens a lot because we live on the pathway to the airport. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: And as clear as day, I see a red chariot being drawn by four black horses and a trail of fire behind it. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: And you guys, when I tell you, I could see the horses galloping in the air, and it was like pulling this chariot going very quickly. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: And it was gone in like it went so fast. And I was like and I jumped up out of my chair and I ran out to the other side of the pool to look up to see if I could find it. Nope, it was gone. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. So let me ask you this. Like have you Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: have you thought about like what that could mean? I mean, I know you've been kind of searching searching Lisa Wilson: I have. Lisa Smith: on it. And was it life size? I don't remember if I asked you that. If it was like actual Lisa Wilson: It was it was Lisa Smith: life size or if it was like smaller. Lisa Wilson: It was life size, like it was in like the size of an airplane would be from where I was sitting normally, like that that perspective. And Lisa Smith: Okay. Okay. Okay. Lisa Wilson: I've looked it up and you guys, I thought for sure it was a bad omen, like a sign of war or something. And Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: so red is a sign of war, but Lisa Smith: Okay. Lisa Wilson: the the four black horses, which is I thought for sure the four horsemen. I thought for sure I was seeing the end of the world. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. You're like, we're done. We are done. Better get to target fast. Lisa Wilson: Because if you haven't look if you haven't listened to our last episode, which was where we talked about all the bad shit that's going on in the world right now, like I was like, this is it. But you guys, Lisa Smith: Uh-huh. Lisa Wilson: everything I've looked up, none of it is bad. None of it is Lisa Smith: Okay. Lisa Wilson: predicting bad things or war or any of that together. And honestly, Chat GPT was like, I think you just saw a plane. And I Lisa Smith: I know a difference between a plane and a chariot with horses and fire coming out. Cause planes don't have fire Lisa Wilson: What do you think, Lisa? Lisa Smith: planes don't have fire coming out the back either. Lisa Wilson: No, and you guys I talent I know that there's like a psychiatrist out there that's like, What's this girl's number? Because Lisa Smith: Ha ha. I get your zip code so I can call a Lisa Wilson: But I mean Lisa Smith: colleague to help you out? No, but Lisa, I believe it. I believe Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: that you saw what you saw, and there's a reason. But the thing that we can't explain is why. Like, is it a timeline shift to your point? Is it a premonition? Lisa Wilson: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Lisa Smith: people could say. Maybe it's a thought from past life or something. I mean, there's so many different things that you can Lisa Wilson: Remember, I don't believe in coincidence, right? So I Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: believe something is showing me that and this was months ago. So surprise the world is still here. So I don't I don't know that that's it. But it it and it it just felt so profound. Like I was supposed to get it like right away. Lisa Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Lisa Wilson: I did not get it right away. And like seeing something, believing something, and knowing something are different things. But in Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: this moment, they all came together. Like I knew it, I believed it, and I could. Feel in my bones that something was supposed to like I was supposed to know something, but I didn't have have you ever seen anything you can't explain, Lisa? Lisa Smith: thousand so many things Lisa Wilson: vision type of stuff. Lisa Smith: so many things okay there was this time I remember this one time I was with my cousin and her business partner. And we were coming back from a buying trip in Vegas. We were traveling home. all of a sudden I'm like sitting in the back seat, just kind of looking out the window. And we're in this like canyon where This is all mountains, right? Lisa Wilson: Mm. Lisa Smith: I'm looking out the window, and all of a sudden there's these like flashes of light, but and they were orange, I remember. And there's literally nothing that could be between your car. You're driving 80, 85 miles an hour through this canyon. There's nothing that could be between your car and the mountain. Okay. and it but it was flashes of orange shapes. I remember it was flash triangle, flash circle, flash lines. And I was like, Am I just tired? Like, what's going on? So and I remember, I remember my cousin's friend like looking at her because she was like, she could see like she had turned over to look at her. And so she was facing the same way I was facing. And I remember her just like kind of stopping. Like, I'm like, did you just see what I saw? And she's like, Yes. Well, my cousin didn't see it because she was facing the opposite Lisa Wilson: She was driving. Lisa Smith: direction. Yeah. So I'm like, my gosh. Okay. So I saw it, you saw it. What was it? Could not explain it. the UFO thing, I absolutely believe in. Lisa Wilson: But you're told me an unexplained story that you told me that I thought was like Yes. So your aunt had an experience. She saw people go into a store into Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: the vet and then they weren't there. Lisa Smith: And then they weren't yeah, and then they weren't there. Now we've actually talked about this like after the fact because we're just trying to figure out like how this could have happened, right? Lisa Wilson: Mm. Lisa Smith: And so she saw somebody go into the store with their animals and then She walked in, she was waiting for them to kind of like get their animals together, you know, like the grooming place, get them, you know, to get their animals back or whatever. So before she takes her dog in. And so, but she didn't give them like 20 minutes. She just gave them a few minutes to get in. And then she went in and they were like nowhere to be found. So we couldn't explain it. But I was telling Lisa Wilson: Mm. Lisa Smith: you that story because it does bring up a question of do we actually run into people On a different timeline. Because Lisa Wilson: Yes. Lisa Smith: I used, which it could very well be, right? Like Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: I remember when I would be traveling for work and I stayed at the same hotel every time I would go into Las Vegas. I remember same hotel. And I was there quite often. And I always valeted my car. And every single time I would pull up. The valet driver would say, would look at me funny. in Vegas, valet drivers, they're consistent. Like you, you get Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: into that, that profession and you don't leave. You make a lot of really good money, especially back back then. Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Lisa Smith: and so you just like knew your valet drivers pretty much, because they were pretty consistent at the hotels. And I remember he would just be like, kind of confused, started getting really confused. And one day he was like, Were you just here? And I was like, like last month? And he's like, No, like last week. Someday sometimes it'd be like yesterday. And I was like, No, no, I sure was not. I promise. And then it started to be where then I could see him talking to other valet drivers when I would Come in, or other valet drivers would be like, wait a second, you were just here. I wasn't just here. Okay. I just flew in, went to work, and then coming here to check in. So doppelgangers could also be something because they swore, swore up and down that I had already been there. I had already stayed there, like the day before, the week before. And it was, I Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: was always missing this person. They say like I'm talking the same way, I look the same way, same height, same hair, same everything. Lisa Wilson: Same car. Lisa Smith: Same car, everything, same. But it was like they were repeating getting my car. Lisa Wilson: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Lisa Smith: I mean, I've had people come up to me before and start a full on, full-blown conversation with me, like they know me from high school and I don't know them from any. And then I'll say, like they'll just start talking about all these people that I should know. And how's how's your mom? And I'd be like, good. Like, I don't know who you are. And then I'll finally say, I'm so sorry. I don't remember your name. Can you can you and they're just like what? Like, I'm your next door neighbor. Like weird stuff has happened to me. So Lisa Wilson: But that's Lisa Smith: I've got some people just prancing around America. Prancing around the world, looking like me, talking like me, dressing like me. I Lisa Wilson: Or it's a separate timeline. Lisa Smith: know that's the thing that I can't explain, but I've Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Yeah. Lisa Smith: never ran into one of these imposters. Lisa, that's Lisa Wilson: Mm-hmm. Lisa Smith: crazy. Lisa Wilson: It is crazy. And I I think that it's one of those things that's like most people just brush it off, like, you have a twin. But if it keeps happening over and over and over, and especially Lisa Smith: Over and over. Lisa Wilson: like with the valet driver, like it's one thing for maybe that lady was a little senile, but when a whole team of valet drivers were like, Bra, no, it was you. Lisa Smith: Yeah, no. She was just you were just here. I'm like, I legit Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: wasn't. Lisa Wilson: I think there's definitely something to it. Right. So like we see it and we are like, we Lisa Smith: Mm. Lisa Wilson: can't explain it. We're like, okay. But there there's the feel it, right? So the feeling of something. So you are really into the feeling of a situation or someone kind of having intuition or empath, like have being an empath. Right. So walk Lisa Smith: Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: me through. how that goes from like, I got a weird feeling to nope, I'm making a decision based on this. Lisa Smith: Well, I mean, I think I think a lot of people are empaths and just don't realize it or maybe don't think that it can really be as powerful as it as it can be, you know? A lot of people can have intuition that they don't understand, or maybe you don't believe in that, but I d we're we all we all have the ability to connect in that way. and I just think people probably Pass it off as this like, whatever. But no, if you have a bad feeling or somebody makes you feel icky, the ick, there's something wrong. There is something wrong. Lisa Wilson: Mm. Lisa Smith: It's not just a coincidence. Lisa Wilson: So we you know, there's all Lisa Smith: Hmm. Lisa Wilson: these things that we can non-traditional things that you and Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: I both believe in that maybe is not mainstream. So yours is Reiki, Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: sound healing, theater healing, all those very cool things. And then mine is, you know, witchcraft. Like Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Mm-mm. Lisa Wilson: I I like you know, like I I Lisa Smith: It's so. Lisa Wilson: do believe in the power of intention and I do believe Lisa Smith: Yes. Lisa Wilson: in the power of, you know, Lisa Smith: Hmm. Lisa Wilson: getting together with a bunch of other women and getting wholly focused, coven, on the things Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: that it is that you want to do and how you're gonna accomplish those things. Like I absolutely 1000% when my sister in law was having so much bad luck that like even Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: like even I was like there is no way that this is natural. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: Like some somebody has cursed her or somebody has like set a bad intention on her. Like there is nobody Lisa Smith: I believe that a hundred percent. Lisa Wilson: So did I get on Etsy and find myself a witch and buy her by Lisa Smith: Ha ha ha ha. Lisa Wilson: her good luck, like like things to wear around her neck and good luck things to plant throughout her ha hex bags is what they're called. Yes, I fucking did. Because Lisa Smith: Yeah, I mean why not? Lisa Wilson: I mean you can't, you can't. Until you can prove to me that it's not gonna work. Lisa Smith: I mean, honestly, I think you can also say that about like feng shui. Can we explain how and why it works? No, we can't. I mean, we can. Lisa Wilson: Yeah. So you are a big feng shui advocate, right? Lisa Smith: Yeah, a thousand percent. And I believe it to my core. Believe, believe, believe, hands down. Nobody's gonna come at me and tell me that it's not real, that it doesn't work, that it doesn't make sense. I do have to say, like I'm really thinking about getting a Pacqua mirror for some of my annoying neighbors and put out because they will leave. Okay. But I'm I'm kind of worried. I don't want to, you know, aim it at a kid's room or something. So I gotta be careful. Kind of how our houses are. But do you know what I mean? I Lisa Wilson: non-traditional. You're really raising the vibration, doing things for the power of good, writing wrongs Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: with the Pakua mirror, whatever you gotta do, fixing Lisa Smith: Ha ha ha. Lisa Wilson: the flow of your energy with feng shui. But mine is Lisa Smith: Absolutely. Lisa Wilson: really all like like you are the light and I am the dark, and this is just the way that we are. So I Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: have this weird thing that's happening that I also can't explain that. Is all around and I don't know if it's karma, I don't know if it's Lisa Smith: Okay. Lisa Wilson: intention, but I'm gonna explain it because it's fucking weird and it's one of those things Lisa Smith: Hey. Lisa Wilson: that like my sister-in-law had the best. So I call I whenever something happens that I know is a trend and I can't explain it, I get a witness. So I I Lisa Smith: Okay. Lisa Wilson: I just want to tell somebody that it's happening so that if something crazy happens that you know, I predicted it and I get this a lot. And so Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: When I was a little girl, I got bullied ruthlessly because I was overweight. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: And again, we've talked about this. I thought I was awesome. Well, nobody liked that. So I was viciously bullied all through elementary school, all through sixth grade, until I, you know, went into junior high and I, you know, grew a little bit so I wasn't so fat. And it, you know, it is what it is. But there was one bully in particular that Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: just made my life a living hell all through elementary school. Lisa Smith: Mm. Lisa Wilson: And you know, it's like that deep shame that like Lisa Smith: Mm. Lisa Wilson: you feel in like your bones that Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: every time I would see him, I would get like this feeling. And so all through elementary school. So and then we go in different directions for high school and whatever. So I'm in high school and this other high school is in a football game. And I'm a smoking punk rocker. So of course I'm at it at a at the Friday night game. Lisa Smith: Of course you are. Lisa Wilson: And I see him. And you guys, when I tell you that he looks just like he did in the fourth grade, like his body got frozen in time. Lisa Smith: Really? Lisa Wilson: So I'm not it it is something that happens. well, it's not every day you get to see the just desserts, you know? Coming home to roost because this kid made me fucking miserable and gave me Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: shame for like most of my adult life until I was in my forties. So fuck that kid. So then I have another situation happen where my husband had his basically his company was stolen from him by this guy Lisa Smith: Mm. Lisa Wilson: that gave all of his all of my husband's contracts and work to his girlfriend. And I remember I would it was devastating for us because we had all these employees We were just devastated. Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: And I remember you guys being so filled with rage at the injustice of it Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: that I felt the top of my head tingling. And I don't know if you Lisa Smith: Hey. Lisa Wilson: guys have ever felt that, but like I felt this rage. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: And I was like, I just there was nothing I could do about it. It he we lived on different sides of the country. And I just but it was like, it was like the a crack in the foundation happened. You know, like that kind of rage. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: And lo and behold, I get a phone call like the next week. The someone's like, Did you hear about so and so? I'm like, No. And they're like, Yeah, Lisa Smith: Don't care. Lisa Wilson: don't care. And apparently he was at his girlfriend's house fixing something Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: on the roof, walked off the roof and broke every bone in his body. Lisa Smith: Noooo Lisa Wilson: And to this day cannot walk without the assistance of crutches because the damage was so bad. Lisa Smith: So karma? Lisa Wilson: I'm not saying I willed that to happen in any I was even thinking about that person in that way. Lisa Smith: No. Cause that's actually not good to like wish harm on people. Yeah. Lisa Wilson: Absolutely, no. And that is not the situation. I was telling my sister-in-law about all of this, and she was like, Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: Well, it's clear to me, you are clearly a witch. Like, this is there is no other explanation. And I was like, I just want to be clear, I'm not wishing bad things on people. But like Lisa Smith: No, that's not good. Lisa Wilson: you guys, I can't explain this and I can't I don't understand it. And and I'm giving you Lisa Smith: I don't want anything bad. Lisa Wilson: like example after example after example. Right? So then last month something happens. We have a family emergency that, Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: you know, I told you guys people came for Doug. And like you don't, you can come for anybody you want to come for, but you don't come for him. Like he is Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: off limits to the universe to He's off limits to the universe to everyone. And it came for Doug. Tingling on the top of my head. Rage. Jaws clenched. You were my witness. Lisa Smith: You were pissed. Yes. You were so angry. And I was like, I will be there if you need. You had yeah, whatever, yep. Lisa Wilson: Like, I'll come, whatever I can do. So I'm telling my sister-in-law, because I had to call family. Like, this was bad, you guys. It was bad. And so I had to call family. Lisa Smith: Yeah. Yeah, not good. Lisa Wilson: I call my sister-in-law and I'm telling her the story about what happened. And she's like clutching her pearls, and like, I can't believe it. I can't believe it. And she just at the end of the conversation, she's like, takes a deep breath, and she's like, Well, I hope they're ready. And I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm like, who's ready? She's like, the people that are doing this, she's like, houses are going to fall because you are this Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: upset. She was like, I just hope they're ready. I was like, no, no. Mm mm. Lisa Smith: Well have you heard anything? I haven't heard I don't know. I mean I have no idea. Lisa Wilson: Nothing. But like, we can't explain this, Lisa. And I'm not, I'm not wishing bad things on people. But is Lisa Smith: No, no. No, no. Lisa Wilson: this like the is this like, here's what I think, and it's gonna get weird. So if you guys don't like it, just get past it. But I truly Lisa Smith: Hi. Lisa Wilson: believe this ancestors, like I have in my mind that it's two ancestors that are guardian ancestors that Lisa Smith: Okay. Okay. Lisa Wilson: are like smiting my enemies for me. Lisa Smith: for you and like like just going after full full throttle. Like they're like Lisa Wilson: Explain it. Lisa Smith: they're like, you just keep doing you and we're gonna go wreck their life. Maybe your guardians Lisa Wilson: Mm. Lisa Smith: like have like shivs. Lisa Wilson: it's so weird. So, Lisa Smith: Maybe could be Lisa Wilson: like when I was a little girl, like little, Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: little, like five, maybe younger, Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: a man in my neighborhood tried to take me away in a car. That's all I remember. And I Lisa Smith: No. Lisa Wilson: just remember being so like scared because I didn't know this person or why they had put me in their car. And I I Lisa Smith: You were in the car? Lisa Wilson: was in the car. Lisa Smith: No. Lisa Wilson: And I'm getting goosebumps because I can remember it like it was yesterday. And I Lisa Smith: No way, Lisa Wilson: remember my dad like pounding on the window and pulling the guy out of the car through his window and then grabbing me. And it I remember distinctly seeing two shadow figures on the side of that car, like two, like a shadow, like a person, a shadow that a person would cast. Two. Lisa Smith: Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Lisa Wilson: And it was like. That's crazy. Like there were two people. Does anybody else see those people? But I was too young to like enunciate what was happening. Right. Lisa Smith: Yeah, yeah. Lisa Wilson: And I mean, we that story was never told to me. Like I had to remind my dad that it happened, like as Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: an adult. And he was like, I forgot all about that. I'm like, did you see those those two shadows? He's like, no, but it doesn't surprise me. Dow was great for that stuff, you know? But Lisa Smith: No, but I I love I love that number one, you weren't shut down saying that didn't happen. I love Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Lisa Smith: that. Parents need to do more of that. Number Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: two, holy cow. I do believe though that we have a path. And I do believe that it's it's predetermined. And if and I don't and anyone can say how it's predetermined Like there's so many different theories on how it's Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: predetermined. But I also think that if you're gonna go off your pla path or somebody's going to interject and take you off your path, then yes, I do think that there's something bigger that can step in. I do believe that. 100%. Lisa Wilson: Mm-hmm. Yep. Lisa Smith: I also believe that we have free agency to do our own thing and we can screw things Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: up on our own. But that's absolutely insane. I believe it a hundred percent. Lisa Wilson: Yeah. So, you know, Lisa Smith: Hundred percent. Lisa Wilson: like I call it karma, but I don't think it's karma. I think like there's something there's a higher thing. There's a there's Lisa Smith: Yes. Lisa Wilson: a multi generational chain that I have no idea and will never understand until I pass out of this realm. But it I mean, karma doesn't normally work that fast. Lisa Smith: No. Lisa Wilson: in all this weirdness that Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: that you and I embrace wholeheartedly, I think it scares people. Lisa Smith: Yes, a hundred percent. Hmm. Lisa Wilson: Do you does any of this stuff like are you ever afraid of any of this stuff? Lisa Smith: No, I'm not afraid. I mean, sometimes I get a little like, like, wow, that was that was crazy. I mean, I I get I don't get scared, but I get like kind of confused, like what's the message, you know, when you see like synchronicities, right? Like Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: two two two four four four eleven eleven, like five like I wanna know Lisa Wilson: Five five five. Mm-hmm. Lisa Smith: what that means. And so many people, you know, will say, You know, it's a message. Like you should think about what you were thinking about right before or something that you were planning to do right after you saw that synchronicity. It happens to me all the time. So now I'm just being a little bit more aware of like when it happens and like what I was thinking, Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: what I was listening to, what I was talking about. Because people can also say that's just a coincidence. Well, I mean, it's pretty darn hard to keep seeing two two two every single day. Lisa Wilson: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lisa Smith: Eleven eleven, it's hard too. Like so anyway, it doesn't scare me because I do think Lisa Wilson: Mm. Lisa Smith: that they're like if it doesn't make me feel creepy, then I'm not scared. If it starts to make me feel icky and weird and like scared, then yeah, I I have a problem. Like, does it scare you though? Lisa Wilson: No. I mean very, Lisa Smith: Not at all. Lisa Wilson: very little ever humans scare me. Lisa Smith: Well, does it ever make you feel like responsible though? Lisa Wilson: No Lisa Smith: to know that you have no idea, like how two things are connected, how how quantum physics work? Like, does that ever scare you? Like Lisa Wilson: No. Lisa Smith: s us smashing atoms, like does that scare you? Lisa Wilson: No, I just trust in the universe that the universe is is doing what it's supposed if I do what I'm supposed to do and follow my intuition and do the things that feel right to me and I don't hurt anybody and I don't oppress anybody. I mean, like if the universe hurts them, there's nothing I can do about that. That was the universe's choice, right? But Lisa Smith: Yeah, yeah. Lisa Wilson: like I feel no accountability at all Lisa Smith: Okay. Lisa Wilson: about it. And I just again I needed a witness because I kept seeing this pattern of events and I'm like, am I crazy? And she's like, No, you're just a witch. Lisa Smith: No. Pretty fantastic. Lisa Wilson: Like, right. She's like, You're just a witch. I'm like, all right. I mean, that checks, right? we've shared all these weird things that we've had happen. Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: But our our purpose in life is to find the high fives, right? So I think for me, my high five is that I'm just so incredibly comfortable with the unknown. Lisa Smith: Ooh, I like that. Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: Right. And I I'm not and I'm not gonna shut it down because I don't understand Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: it. That is my high five that I think that I've not always been this way. And I think I've become this way as I've gotten older. So midlife high five is that you just roll with it. Lisa Smith: Yeah. Well, I think my high five is I think it's important to provide your children with the ability to also not understand what they see, what they hear, what they Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: like provide them the opportunity to say, gosh, this happened and I'm not exactly sure and not just shut it down. I think that that is one thing that I've really tried to do with my son, to let him know that if there's things that he can't explain, it's okay to talk about it with me and Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: we can, you know, work through it. I never shut him down. I never shut him down. And there's a lot of things he can't explain. Lisa Wilson: How much proof do you need before you're willing to trust your own experience? So after all of this, Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: the end of our road today, do you actually need an explanation for what you believe in? Lisa Smith: feeling thermometer. And I'm gonna I'm just gonna continue going off with life, doing this, doing it that way. It's worked for me just fine so far. What about you? Lisa Wilson: I believe that even if it's weird, but in my gut, if I gut check it and it feels real to me, I absolutely Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: believe it. Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: now that is not true for all things in the universe. Most of the things I need some kind of proof, like I said at the beginning, I need to see it, I need to hear it, I need to feel it before Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: I can give it any sort of like check-in on whether it's real or not. But yeah, no, if it's real for me, it's real. I don't need any proof. Lisa Smith: And this is somewhere where we a hundred percent agree. Hundred Lisa Wilson: Yeah. Lisa Smith: percent agree. I don't need the scientific proof that Lisa Wilson: Mm. Lisa Smith: it's a a legitimate thing and it actually, you know, works. Or I Lisa Wilson: Uh-huh. Lisa Smith: just don't. Lisa Wilson: I mean, listen, so you guys, what is it that you believe beyond the shadow of a doubt that you don't need any proof to believe in it? Make sure you put it in our DM. Make sure you share it with us on socials. because we definitely want to know. I mean, that's super, super fun. But Lisa Smith: Yeah. Lisa Wilson: You know, regardless of what happens or what we do or don't believe in, you guys, we still have to stay hydrated. We Lisa Smith: Mm-hmm. Lisa Wilson: still want to roll those shoulders back, get them away from your ears, make sure that you unclench jaw, Lisa Smith: Hmm. Lisa Wilson: believe in something you don't have to prove. Bigfoot, maybe. I don't know. And go high Lisa Smith: Yeah. Hey. Lisa Wilson: five somebody. Lisa Smith: Have a great week. Thanks so much. Lisa Wilson: Yeah. You guys have a great week. Bye.