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We hope you enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to the long
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each of the games on the Metacritic top 100 list.
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My name is Dan and I'm joined by.
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I'm Lawrence. Welcome to the podcast.
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Welcome indeed. So we had a bit of a first, just
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a moment ago, didn't we? We did.
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We got confused. Yes.
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First time ever, we both Prepared a list in the belief
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that we were hosting the episode.
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So yes, I will be hosting this time but yeah.
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Next time we'll be actually given.
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I know next time you will be hosting.
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Yes. And then the game afterwards I
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will be hosting. That's right, isn't it?
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Yes, but I am ready to be a backup host today if needed.
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I do have pain. Yes, I'm sure you've got your
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commentary on this game. That's right.
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So if something happens to you I can take over.
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I'm hoping that doesn't happen to you but just Case a one-man
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podcast. That's right, I'll talk to
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myself, I'll get the cat involved.
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Nice. It's probably better
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conversation than me. Sometimes maybe maybe a lot
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meowing. So the same is really similar
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conversation, really? Yeah, that's right.
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Today we are here to discuss Persona 4, Golden now, I'm not
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quite sure how Persona 4 Golden ended ended up on the list
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because It wasn't part of the original list, but it also
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wasn't added as a newer game on the list.
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So the version that's on the list came out in 2012, so I
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don't know. Sometimes might be similar to
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like when code Veronica got put on we.
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Yeah, just in case it may be, they found an old review from
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the time that they just counted it then it up there matter
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school maybe. Yeah.
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So we don't have an official placing for the list Bay is that
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the very tail end of the list, So, the score that Persona 4,
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Golden received was 93 as an average and it was released on
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the PlayStation Vita in the year 2012.
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And I'm pretty sure this is the only Vita game on the list as
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well, isn't it? Yeah, it is.
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Well, there are some games that also were on these.
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Yes, whiter. But yeah, it's, it's the only
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exclusive I think. Well, that's not really
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exclusive anymore because It's now out everywhere else, isn't
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it? Yeah, got it.
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Got re-released about maybe four or five months ago, didn't it on
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switch, PS, 4 and 5 and then Xbox One series X and stuff.
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Yeah, I thought it's worth noting.
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I've got a bit of background here.
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So Persona, 3 released in the year, 2006, and the highest
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average score for that highest Metascore for that is 89.
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And that's also available But at the moment as well as in it
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along with Persona 4 and Persona 5.
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Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
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And Persona 4 was originally released on the PS2 in 2008.
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Oh and don't know that. Yeah, so and obviously the
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highest Metascore for that game is 93.
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So I got a pretty good score there and then I also wanted to
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mention the release date of Persona 5 just a pain.
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A bit of a picture about the release schedule.
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Yeah these games. So Persona 5 came out in 2016.
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And the highest Metascore for that game was 95, but across the
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games, you got a bit of a spread of meta scores depending on the
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platform. So, yeah, it's an interesting
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one, and the release schedule to me is quite interesting as well
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and I'm sure you may get into that in a bit more detail.
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Okay. So do you have any history with
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Persona 4 Golden? No the same as when we went into
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Persona 5 I've got no history with the Persona games.
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The only Persona game I've played before this is Persona 5
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Royal which we played relatively early doors in the podcast.
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I think it was probably in the first 25 that we covered and
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anyone that's been listening to the podcast Enough for lesson.
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Two episodes know that it's probably one of my favorite
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games that we've covered for the podcast so far.
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So going into this, I had the same feeling I had before going
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into Persona 5, I knew that it was going to be big and I was
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very much in a really don't want to have to spend all that time
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going into a game again. So yeah, this is the first time
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I played Persona 4 and to this date only Persona 4.
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And sine of 50 games. I've played from the series, how
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about you, I actually bought Persona 4 on the PS2 years ago.
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I think I've still got a copy of it somewhere because it was
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worth quite a bit of money at some point.
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Yeah, and there is obviously the review scores for the game were
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very high. So I was intrigued, but I never
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actually started it. So it's a game that's been
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sitting in my collection for many years.
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And again, I've never played but I was, I was Curiously excited
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to play this game. I've heard very good things
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about it. And amongst Persona fans, it's
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either Persona 4 or 5. That tends to be people's
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favorites. And I think there's a reason for
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that and I think both the games really have their strengths and
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they both have their weaknesses as well.
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So I describe my feelings towards this game as mixed
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positive. I think I'd probably use that
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that phrase to describe Persona 5 as well.
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Well, okay, so where did you play Persona 4?
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Golden plate on a switch. So it's probably not dissimilar
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from what it was like to play this on the Vita.
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When it first came out which, you know, since they've made the
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Persona games, a bit more accessible because they were
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exclusive to Sony up until relatively recently.
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So, I played it on a handheld and I'd pretty much played 99%
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of this game in handheld mode. I didn't really do docked with
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it, although When I did, plug it into the actual dock, it did
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look quite good on the TV. But yes, I played this on
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switch, which personally, I think is the best way to play
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this game. Same with Persona 5 and I think
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I said at the time that that game would have been ideal for
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switch and since then, obviously it is come out on switch.
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But yes, I was a switch man for this.
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What about you? Yeah, also on the switch and for
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me as with most of my switch playing these days, it was 100%
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in handheld. I've got two years of the
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kingdom and I think I'll play that in docked for a good amount
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of it. But yeah, most games these days
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are playing handheld. Um I've started breath of the
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wild for when we cover it or the listen.
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I'm literally only playing that and docked mode but yeah, I'm
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staying awake, smart night so maybe I'll take in play and hand
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held in the hotel. We'll see ya.
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Those games really look amazing on a big screen but also in
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handheld. So yeah.
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So to kick off, let's talk about what is the same / difference
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between Persona 4 and Persona 5? Do you have any comments about
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that? And they are both games set in
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Japan where you play as a transfer student.
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And each of the games focuses on part of it is like a
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relationship Simulator part of. It is a RPG combat.
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Combat game. And the other part of it is,
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Something else but go see. Mm.
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Yeah. School Sim there.
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They're both persona for a sign of 5 are both very Japanese and
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they are very much covered in Japanese culture, particularly
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of the time that they were released.
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I think so no for being based in 2011, in the countryside, in
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Japan, and Persona 5, being set in like 2016, 2017.
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Like Tokyo. So they're very much products of
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their time and their environment.
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I feel and don't forget this game was actually released in
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2008 as well. Of course, of course course.
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Yeah. So it's a few years in the
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future Yeah. So what's different because
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actually I think the vast majority of these games are very
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similar and it makes for quite an interesting conversation but
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what's different to be honest with you?
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They are very, very similar. In fact, I think it's the case
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that with Persona 4 because it is an older title.
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It feel it's the kind of vibe where and neither of us have
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played Persona 3, but it feels like Persona 4 walked so person.
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So so Persona 5 could run particularly with things like
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it's dungeon design and the in-depth nature of it, but it's
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hard to say what's different and what's the same?
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Because they are very, very similar games with a somewhat
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similar story. I suppose.
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What would you say aesthetically?
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You've got ya, you've got slightly different visuals, but
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Having played a lot of both games.
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It really doesn't feel like such a big deal after you've been
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playing it for a couple of hours because you've got this really
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nice overlay. This really nice interface in
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Persona 4. There is very reminiscent of
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Persona 5 and it makes it look very pretty even even though the
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graphics on screen aren't necessarily.
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As polished as Persona 5, you've got another great soundtrack.
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That's not really a difference. You've got the countryside
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versus the city and that that creates some quite interesting
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parallels. You quite like guarding you?
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Yeah, I did like that. And I've got that as a point.
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That I wanted to make. I would say also In some ways I
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think Persona 4 is a bit darker than Persona 5.
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Yes, you agree with that. Yeah, I think so, Persona 5 has
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its moments for sure. You know, you've got some
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relatively heavy subject matter in Persona 5 particularly at the
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start of the game. When you know you've got the
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first first person who you tackle come Ishida is the she's
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actually the darkest I would say.
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Yeah I'd say so you know he's basically a A predatory teacher
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whose advances make a girl, jump off a roof and try to, you know,
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try to kill herself and I'd say that there are elements of
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darkness in Persona 5 as it goes through, but it never really
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gets to that level. Again, whereas Persona 4 is, is
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about a serial killer, who is You know, targeting mostly
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people that have had media coverage and that's it.
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Murders a high school student. Yeah, yeah.
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And that's the main plot of the game really isn't.
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It's kind of like a whodunit I suppose that's for other things
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that are different as you say that dungeons have evolved in
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Persona 5. Yeah.
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The storylines are a bit different.
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We'll get into that though. I'm sure we'll uncover more.
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About some of the differences as we go along.
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So let's talk about the storyline.
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What happens in this game? Yeah, if you've played Persona 5
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and maybe Persona 3, like I said, neither me or done of
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played that one, but it's a similar similar scenario that
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you're an exchange student who goes to stay in this case with
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it with a relative. Obviously in Persona 5 its with
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with it, with a stranger soujiro, but in Persona 4 you go
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to the countryside in Arbor To stay with your uncle, a guy
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called dojima and his daughter nanako for a year while I can't
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remember, the reason for the why the character goes to state that
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your parents have gone abroad. Or yeah, something like that but
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basically not long after you not long after you arrived.
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In in Arbor, there were a couple of murders that kind of spark,
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spark the interest and And, you know, in in Persona 5, it's the
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case that you go into people's castles to change their hearts,
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whereas, in Persona 4, it's a bit more of a literal entrance
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into a metal world, because you go through a TV, effectively
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into what they call the TV world and the plot of the game is that
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every few weeks or so. There is a, the next victim or
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the next potential victim of the murder shows up on something
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called the midnight Channel. And from there it's your job to
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work out who the next victim is identify them.
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And then go into the TV world and confront their Shadow
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version of themselves before the time runs out because if it gets
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to a certain point in the calendar and some fog comes down
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on Ann Arbor then you run out of time and the target gets killed.
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So it is about building up your crew as it was in Persona 5.
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But instead of it being the Phantom Thief, Thieves this
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time. It is the investigative team and
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going into the metaverse to try and save people and find out who
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the who the murderer is as well as, you know, juggling being a
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student and trying to get good grades joining after school
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clubs. Working on your relationships,
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with the different characters juggling.
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The relationships getting into romantic relationships with some
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of the girls. If you want to, there's all the
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girls in my case as it was The same Persona 5, but yeah, it's
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effectively a murder mystery with a bit of a Sci-Fi element,
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going into a metaverse through a TV, into the TV world and all
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all the same characters that are in Persona 5 are in Persona 4,
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but just different, if you know what I mean.
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Like, you can draw what you mean, is there's a tight,
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they're all time. Yes.
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And up there all the different types show up.
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Yeah. So, you know, 44, For Teddy, who
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is this big teddy creature that lives in the metaverse?
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The comparison for Persona 5 would be Morgana or third, Yuki
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who is one of the First characters you get the
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comparison for her and Persona 5 I'd say will be Makoto or your
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scale would be, is it ryuji? Yes region, isn't it?
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So you know there's there's one of those characters.
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In every game like that their character type, as you say I
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suppose is, is in the game and then secure or less be amount of
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Chima. Let's talk about the characters.
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So, are there any standards for you?
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Yeah, I really like the Jima who and also like to do.
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Yeah. So anyone that hasn't played it,
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the Jima is the, the players Uncle, who is a, he's a
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detective, and he is put on the case of trying to figure out who
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the murderer is. And it was funny because I
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remember saying to you, I watched a review of this game
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before I played it, and I'm not sure if it was a IGN review, or
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it was someone else. But they're effectively saying,
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oh, yeah, Persona 4 is one of my favorite games of all time, you
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know. And you go and stay with your
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abuse of Uncle. As I, there is a nose part of
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the game. Where did you move comes?
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Across as inclusive Uncle. So, yeah, I really like the Jima
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quite a lot. I like the family dynamic in
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Persona 4 even? Yes, sir.
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So than the one in Persona 5. Mmm.
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Yeah, definitely. And the thing with this game, I
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found differently from Persona 5, maybe or maybe.
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It's because I've not played Persona 5 in quite a while, but
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each of the characters Journeys. If you decide to build the
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relationships with them, feels quite quite deep.
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So dejima, if you spend time with with him and your cousin is
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To nanako. It's his obsession with trying
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to find out a drunk driver that ran over his wife, five years or
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so ago. Then with characters.
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Like Yuki it's the fact that she is expected to take over her
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family's in one day, but she's not sure if she wants to do it.
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And you know, riding with expectation on her shoulders or
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with, you know, your Sky who is also from the city like the
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player character. But his family, run, the big
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kind of War, Mark, Walmart esque store, jeunesse and it's him
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kind of coming to terms with the fact that a, the first victim of
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the murderer is someone that he knew, and someone that he liked
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to be finds out, she didn't really like him very much and
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he's resting. Yeah.
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And, you know, his guilt of You know whether or not he could
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have tried to save her or whatever.
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You know it's it's definitely interesting and I quite like
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Reese a resize character as well.
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Who's the idol? Yeah.
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Is you know trying to come to terms with the fact that she
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want to be famous anymore? Does she want to be this model
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that people fall over? Or does she just want to be a
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normal girl? And ultimately she decides that
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she does want to go back to Being an idol.
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But she also wants to take a break and take some time for
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yourself. And one more that I'll point
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out, I don't know if it's someone that you put the time
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into him terms of relationships, it was an optional one, I think
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is it her name's Rd? Maybe the, the one who becomes a
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manager for the after-school club like the soccer or the
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basketball team? So I did, I did the the guys the
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basketball. Yeah, guys, can't can't remember
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his name and I also did the drama club.
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Yeah, with you me me? Yeah, there's, I can't remember
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her name but there's there's a character things in.
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Yeah, I know. She is, she comes in and she's
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yeah, she's a bit rude at first, yes.
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So her story is effectively that she's very well-off.
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She's very, she's very rich and very wealthy and she's not very
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well liked, and she comes He's across as a bit snobbish, but as
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you kind of get to know her, you find out that she's got quite
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quite heavy self-confidence issues because she used to look
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a lot different used to be a lot bigger.
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She used to think that she was uglier and she trying to trying
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to come to terms with the fact that, you know, it's hard to let
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someone into love you or whatever.
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It's interesting. And there are some really,
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really strong characters in this game.
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So how would you describe them compared to Out of 5 I'd say I
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don't know. It's I'd like to say they feel
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more grounded but I don't well I don't know because it's been a
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long time since I played Persona 5 and you know watching a few
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comparison videos between four and five.
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Playing Persona 5 back then I was actually yeah there's some
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good stories with some of these characters but when you really
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think of it Makoto in Persona, 5 who's probably my favorite
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female, Actor in the game. But lunch.
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Oh, so you did as well. But really her entire Arc in
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Persona 5. If you choose to push on her
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relationship is, you know. Oh, my friend is dating a bad
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guy. How do I get involved with this
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and fix it? Yeah.
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Whereas for their sister, doesn't she yet to some extent
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with sigh? But I would say, the most
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grounded and the deepest relationship Action ship that
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you can build in Persona 5 is with Kasumi or or some mirror
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because you know as you play through the extra semester in
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Royal you realize that she's got like a lot going on in her head
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and basically she's the reason I her sister died and she couldn't
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live with herself. So she then picked up the mantle
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of being her sister until it kind of overtook her personality
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like some really deep stuff. But yeah, maybe the Sona for
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cohort are a bit more grounded. There are obviously some
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exceptions to that with, you know, characters like Teddy.
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And I'd say kanji isn't really handled that well, but overall,
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it feels like they're a lot more grounded in reality facing
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similar problems to what, you know, maybe I thought was we're
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issues for myself when I was a teenager, you know.
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Yeah, I think that they are based on types as you say, but I
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think persona, for personally, I think does more with those types
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than so Sona. Five does.
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There's more depth more layers in them, which is funny because
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Persona 5 is a longer game. Yeah, and I think I said, at the
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time, with Persona 5, the particularly two characters
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started to really annoy me and at first, they didn't at first,
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I found them quite likeable. But the more I saw of them the
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Knowing I found them he was at on a Yugi and I just found them
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to be very, very shallow in the end.
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And I think there are some standout characters in Persona
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5, but they are examples of their types.
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Whereas, I feel like the types here, obviously ons I would say,
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so yeah, it is thought the one that all the guys want is the
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idea the, the former Idol, but I feel There's a bit more depth
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here but there are some good ones in Persona 5 as well.
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And there are some some less good ones here as you say.
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But just generally speaking. I feel like they're a bit more
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interesting as you say. So let's talk about in
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comparison to one another the storylines.
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So, I I'm going to, I'm going to make a claim here about a
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persona for story. I feel like it's a bit more
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consistent all the way through, so that in Persona 5, it feels
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like you go for you. Do one castle and then you go
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off in a completely different direction, and a new character
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is introduced at random, and then you go to their castle and
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then another character. And then it turns out that
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They're all sort of loosely linked whereas I feel like
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Persona 4 does a much better job of tying it all together.
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You know, there's going to be another potential victim and you
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can kind of I don't know I just felt a bit more grounded to me
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and a bit more, not always, but a bit more real to me.
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I don't know what you think about that.
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Yes. But there are problems with it.
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So I'm going to get to some of the themes if that's what.
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Yeah, no. No.
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Not-not-not, the themes. I knew you were going to, I
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know, you are going to touch on that anyway, but I think that my
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main problem with Persona 4 is that it is very much, right?
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This person is going to get murdered.
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Okay, you have saved them now, you've got to wait for the next
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person to come up with murder and you sent it to me the other
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day that some of the wait times between the castles and dungeons
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is excessive, and I think they were quite long waits in Persona
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5 as well, but because there was so much More to do in Persona 5,
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it didn't feel as bad. Maybe it's because there are
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more areas as well. Yeah, I'd agree with that but
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you know it is a pretty consistent story and you know,
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there are there are Parts where because you're obviously trying
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to work out who the murderer is and you worked out pretty fast.
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Yeah, I think I worked out before even the first, the first
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castle. Yeah.
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Where His. I thought it was someone else
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and then that someone else died and I was like, okay, maybe not,
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maybe Dan's, right and then you turned out to be correct.
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It's because at Jedi way is because so spoilers for anyone
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that hasn't played this game, it's a character called at that
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she who is the GM has psychic sort of like a - yeah,
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secondhand detective trainer? Yeah and the reason number one,
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he was always around and I thought why?
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Always around. He doesn't really seem to have
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much relevance, based always around number two, his character
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design, screamed, that there was something wrong.
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He was always disheveled. And there was something about
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his face, he was tired and and know I've played classic
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japanese design. Yeah, I've played enough
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Japanese games to know their tells and it just I just thought
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and I said, I sent you a message saying, I don't know for certain
25:39
I guess that he's going to be this guy.
25:42
Yeah, it was it turned out to be him and I feel like a lot of the
25:47
stories were working towards that review and it really does
25:50
pick up when you do find out. It's him.
25:52
So I haven't completed the game yet.
25:54
I've you know I'm I'm doing there's the boss after it.
25:59
That Chi. Yeah, which I got to last night
26:02
and it was very late and I thought I better turn this off
26:05
now. So I'm there.
26:08
So I'm fairly Eyes to the end I think, but not.
26:11
Not there yet. You still got another like whole
26:13
semester and a half to do yet. Yeah, yeah.
26:16
So I know there's another couple of know, there's potentially to
26:19
jump dungeons, but one of them you can miss, because it's a,
26:24
it's part of Sona for Golden. So saying Whispers.
26:27
Yeah. Five.
26:29
Yeah, yeah. I just feel like it's more
26:32
consistent in working towards that goal and at times, it feels
26:35
more focused, but at times you're right.
26:37
It does feel unfocused because when you I tend to do what I did
26:43
in Persona 5, which is complete, the dungeons very quickly.
26:46
Yeah, then I'm just left waiting around for yeah, like three
26:49
times on end whereas Persona 5 does a smart thing with this.
26:53
Let's call them dungeons because I know that they have different
26:56
names in both games sign of five forces you out of the dungeon
27:02
about a third of the way through.
27:03
Yeah. When you leave your calling
27:04
card. Yeah.
27:06
And then like two thirds of the way through.
27:07
It does the same thing again and it keeps It keeps doing that and
27:13
because of that, you're forced to go out and take a break from
27:16
the dungeon, where as there was one dungeon where I got all the
27:20
way through to the boss door. And I thought, okay, I'm gonna
27:22
go out here and replenish my health and SP and then come back
27:27
and just do the boss and did it with into two days.
27:30
And then I had a, I think that was probably the one that was
27:32
complaining saying I've got, I think, I think one of the big
27:36
things would Persona 5 and I know, really, we shouldn't be
27:39
talking about comparing. When we just talked very hard,
27:42
not, but it's hard not to. I think the thing with Persona 5
27:46
is that you can get quite, it's good that they like throw you
27:51
out of the dungeons in Persona 5.
27:52
Because I think particularly, when you look back to a Kimora's
27:56
Palace, which, you know, we everyone agrees that is the
28:00
worst one because the boss fight, and that is so broken and
28:04
almost made me stop playing. But the, the length of the
28:09
dungeons in Persona 4. I feel so much longer and I
28:13
think it's because better balance there's a better balance
28:16
because of that, they're all specifically designed to be
28:20
something different. Whereas Persona Falls, dungeons
28:24
are okay, you're on the first floor, follow a corridor around.
28:27
Try and work out a way to the stairs go up and I said to you
28:31
that Persona Falls, dungeons feel exactly like what mementos
28:34
was in Persona 5. And I think that's why that the
28:38
dungeons in Persona 4 5 so much easier to just do Do and get out
28:41
the way because it was literally like follow a corridor.
28:44
Follow a corridor follow a corridor mini-boss follow
28:46
exactly the same pattern. Yeah.
28:49
And it's why when there were backtracking moments in the
28:52
Persona 4 dungeons, it did my head in a little bit because,
28:55
you know, backtracking in the dungeons in Persona 5 it would
28:59
be a little bit interesting, whereas backtracking to the
29:02
dungeons in Persona 4 is very much just, all right, okay, so
29:07
I've got to go all the way back through here and go down these
29:10
corridors. Find this specific thing in this
29:12
specific area on one Corridor which is just down a load of
29:15
different lines. You know it was more like
29:19
padding, doesn't it? Yeah it does.
29:21
And you know some games can do backtracking whereas others
29:24
can't and you know it's no secret that MGS is one of my
29:29
favorite games ever. But the backtracking and that
29:31
game to go and get the sniper to fight sniper or for the first
29:34
time is padding and that b does my head in.
29:39
So some games can do padding well, And hide it.
29:42
But some don't I think this might be one of them.
29:45
Yeah, we're going to get on to the dungeons a bit more cuz I
29:47
want to, I want to dig a bit deeper into that.
29:49
Okay. So before we blow open the
29:52
entire game, let's go onto our ever-present feature gameplay is
29:55
King. It's Persona 4, Golden fun to
29:59
play. Yeah, it's the same as 5.
30:01
I think if you get into it you can really lose yourself in this
30:04
game and I certainly did I think I've got maybe about 40 45 hours
30:10
in it, I'm on. The hours.
30:12
Are you even playing it alot playing a lot slower than me?
30:16
Maybe I've been a I was going back through the dungeons.
30:18
First of all, in doing the, the many bosses afterwards, ditional
30:22
Shadows? Yeah, yeah.
30:24
So I do think this games fun. There's a lot here.
30:28
Not as much as you know, it's equal but enough to keep it
30:33
exciting. And I really liked following
30:35
through with the relationship quests and seeing where they
30:38
went. So, if you're someone that is
30:40
into, A good narrative and a good story then.
30:43
Yes. I think this is fun.
30:45
There are elements where there isn't very much gameplay and you
30:49
know, that was a big issue with the start this game.
30:51
I know you said the same the first hour or two, it's very
30:53
slow. So yeah, but it just takes time
30:58
to get to. It is what I would say about how
31:00
fun this game is. What do you think?
31:02
Yeah, it definitely is. This got a really satisfying
31:05
gameplay, Loop if you can get into it.
31:09
I think in terms of the gameplay There's not a whole lot to it.
31:14
No, you're basica for a lot of this game for probably half of
31:19
this game. You're advancing conversations.
31:21
Yeah, that's that's what you're doing for half of this game.
31:24
You've got another part of the game, where you're running
31:27
around small areas and you're talking to people and then the
31:32
rest of the game is dedicated to the dungeons that we've already
31:34
mentioned. And it's very similar to Persona
31:37
5 these games on. They're not really heavy
31:43
gameplay games. This is not no Dark Souls or
31:46
anything like that and it it's very relaxed and I think that's
31:52
part of its appeal, for me is very relaxed yest.
31:55
It's he had that there's something about getting lost in
31:57
this world and just chilling out and then you've got the very
31:59
good soundtrack. Once again, it's the same stuff
32:02
that popped in Persona 5, that pops here and there isn't the
32:08
there's nothing quite like these games, they are.
32:10
Unique. And in a way, I wish I had
32:13
experienced this back in 2008 because I think this would have
32:17
felt very modern and very fresh in 2008 because it felt very
32:22
rushed when we play Persona 5, when we did mmm.
32:26
So yeah, it definitely is fun. Do you have a favorite move
32:30
within the combat or any comments about a favorite move?
32:37
I suppose like getting the when you've managed to knock down an
32:40
entire group of enemies and getting all over me.
32:42
Yeah. You know, getting the whole gang
32:45
to beat him up is quite satisfying.
32:47
But this isn't really a game based on moves is it.
32:50
So, it's hard to say. But yeah, that would be the
32:52
standout one because that's the main one that kind of sticks out
32:54
I suppose seconded, okay? I want to talk about the themes
33:01
of this game, some of the, some of which it does well, some it
33:05
doesn't frankly. Okay, I'm just deciding from my
33:10
list of my short list of themes. Jeweler, what were you looking
33:14
at that? You want me to provide some some
33:17
mid episode entertainment while you're having a look at that?
33:21
Yeah, you go for it. That's fine.
33:23
Everything's great. Your June, as Mega little song
33:28
for you son. Before I hope you like that as
33:31
my pressure nanika. You sounded exactly like thank
33:35
you very much big bro. Okay, the first one I'm gonna
33:41
get the elephant in the room out the way sexuality.
33:44
Yeah, it's not one that we usually end up talking about in
33:48
games but it's one that to me has to be discussed when talking
33:51
about this game, I'm going to let you start and just give us a
33:55
bit of a description as to what this is, I'm just going to run
33:57
down and get my laptop charger. Charger.
34:00
Yep. So it was something that we
34:03
discussed. Probably not too in-depth in
34:07
Persona 5 because you often find it with with Japanese games that
34:16
a lot of the women will be designed in specific ways to
34:20
overly sexualized them and the main You know, example of that
34:25
and Persona 5 will be on the guys will often kind of stare
34:29
and layer and make comments at her but it didn't seem too
34:32
intrusive. Whereas in this game it's a lot
34:37
more prominent and you know the the player character can be as
34:43
involved or not involved as you want like that's fine.
34:47
But the third dungeon I think is it sorry sir who's the idol and
34:53
her Her her kind of Palace or dungeon or whatever it is a
34:57
strip club. And she's talking about how
34:59
she's going to take off all her clothes and like the middle-aged
35:02
man or leering at her and all the other boys are leering at
35:05
her. And it just seems a bit kind of
35:08
like a ham-fisted. And as you go through the game,
35:13
there's like quite a lot of elements of the guys, just being
35:15
really creepy and trying to kind of get in with the girls
35:20
wherever possible and the worst the worst person for it.
35:24
Person is Teddy and it's played for laughs and Teddy is quite a
35:29
funny character but also the same time.
35:33
He is incredibly weird and just this incredibly horny weird kid.
35:39
So yeah. And you know that there's That
35:44
they have this weird thing with kanji as well where it's kind of
35:48
hinted for a while that comes you might be gay.
35:51
You never really kind of find out if he is or not.
35:56
And, you know, he seems to have a thing for naoto the detective
36:03
and she's she's female but at the same time wants to be a guy.
36:07
So there's touches of, you know, Trans in there as well, but
36:13
yeah. A kanji, just feels very poorly
36:17
handled in terms of ye could be gay or that's really weird.
36:21
Let's not hang around kanji. That's really weird man, isn't
36:23
it? I think having him be confused
36:27
about his sexuality, it's fine. Yeah.
36:31
Yeah, that's fine. And that's what this a
36:35
interesting because it's not something too.
36:39
To assessing that way. But interesting in the fact that
36:42
you didn't really often see I suppose in games and nozzle, I
36:46
think for that. Yeah, the problem is the
36:48
commentary that the other characters provide which is just
36:53
cringy. Yeah.
36:55
It in this day and age and similarly with naoto again the
37:01
fact that They were born a girl and they now had want, it's
37:10
never quite made clear, but they now want to be a boy, there's
37:16
nothing wrong with that. And the way this is handled is
37:18
fine. But again, it's the way that the
37:21
characters are like that cringey Spar scene.
37:27
Yes, that was one. I was telling you about the
37:29
prepare for us, like, yet gets weirder.
37:31
Yeah, it's I don't even, I'm not even, well, well, versed to
37:37
comment on it but it's basically wrong.
37:40
Yeah, for anyone that hasn't played, it naoto is a detective
37:45
who like, Dan says was born female, she would rather, what
37:50
they would rather be a boy. It's never really kind of pushed
37:53
on what their the pronouns are, because it wasn't really a
37:56
conversation that was had I suppose in the late naughties
37:59
and few like a few specific points in the game.
38:02
She kind of Is to, you know, be around the guys and she doesn't
38:06
take take part in a fashion show which Teddy stipulates, there
38:11
has to be a section where the girls were in swimsuits and
38:13
naoto wins but doesn't take part.
38:16
And then, later in the game, they go to the adame and which
38:19
is the hotel owned by Yuki's family and there is a hot spring
38:24
in there and all the girls going in towels and then eventually
38:26
naoto comes out and all the girls make a really big fuss
38:29
about the fact that she's got quite big boobs.
38:33
Which Which, you know, you can't really see in our toes normal
38:37
clothes. And you can tell that she's
38:39
really kind of humiliated by it and doesn't really want any
38:42
attention and it's just a bit awkward and it's kind of just
38:45
there for. There's really just there for
38:47
the guys. Really, isn't it?
38:48
Yeah it's fanservice isn't it? Yeah weird sort of fanservice.
38:52
Yeah the whole thing would conjure the whole thing with
38:55
naoto and just you know average sexism in this game is a bit
39:02
heavy I suppose. Yes, it's just it's cringy at
39:07
times. It's going to be like, none of
39:09
it. Made me feel uncomfortable, none
39:10
of it was like, I don't know how I feel about this, but it was
39:13
just a bit. Like, I think I could
39:16
understand. I read something before, I
39:18
briefly, read something before. I played this game which
39:22
commented on the themes within this game and how they put the
39:26
writer of this article off the game, they said that they were,
39:30
I don't know if they I think they played it before and it was
39:33
fine but they played it again. then this time, and those things
39:37
were just so obvious and yeah, it's it's it's a small dish were
39:45
either. Well I don't know your mileage
39:48
may vary on it you might find it very uncomfortable but I found
39:51
it cringy. Yeah.
39:53
Same way that we talked about Metal Gear Solid 5 and quiet and
39:57
yeah just just cringy. Yeah I'm okay.
40:01
So let's talk about the way that this game handles Fame.
40:09
So you touched on it with Reese a and these characters are
40:15
getting their targeted because they have appeared in a TV
40:20
interview. What do you think this game
40:21
saying about Fame? Mom.
40:27
I don't know because personify focuses on a lot, doesn't it?
40:31
Because it's the group of the Phantom thieves and as they do
40:35
more of their work, they get more famous until it kind of
40:39
Tears them apart a little bit and is their downfall to some
40:43
extent of the game. Whereas yeah like you say here
40:47
that the targets for the murders people that have been have been
40:51
on TV no matter how briefly even if they're just mentioned and
40:56
they haven't actually showed up. Up.
40:58
I don't know what it says about Fame, really?
41:03
I don't know. I've not thought that much into
41:05
it. What do you reckon?
41:06
It talks about public perception and they're appearing on the TV
41:11
because they've appeared in these interviews on TV somewhere
41:16
and because of that, they've got into the public Consciousness
41:20
and it's the Public's. This is my understanding of it,
41:24
I might be wrong, but it the way that they appear on the midnight
41:28
Channel, which is the weird TV dungeon world that they've
41:32
appear in the way that they appear on that midnight Channel.
41:37
Show is the way that the public perceives them.
41:40
And I don't think it's quite that though.
41:43
I think there's a bit that I'm missing there because Kanji, for
41:46
example, appears a certain way but I don't get the impression
41:51
that that is the way that he's publicly perceived.
41:53
So it's Yakutsk on. Geez.
41:56
Yeah, congees. I mean, kanji is a very
42:00
aggressive kind of Rebel Without a, Cause kind of guy Wears Like
42:05
a skull t-shirt and a leather jacket and he's got piercings
42:08
and scars. Where is his perception on the
42:11
midnight channel? Is someone that is very camp and
42:15
it's hard. And to kind of get that Vibe of
42:17
Hawaii. People think then that way in
42:19
the real world. So I know where you're coming
42:22
from, but I'm with you, I kind of could put the pieces
42:24
together, but at the same time, there's something missing.
42:26
Yeah, so that that because I was waiting for that explanation
42:32
because They were appearing on the midnight Channel and that's
42:36
how they were targeted. But why are they appearing on
42:38
the midnight channel in the first place?
42:40
So I was waiting for an explanation and then it came and
42:42
then it didn't quite answer my questions and I thought there
42:46
might be something afterwards that does delve into it, maybe
42:49
there isn't okay. So next topic that I think, what
42:54
do you why do you think it's relevant that the game is set in
42:56
the countryside. I suppose, because all of this
43:00
crazy stuff that's going on, like serial killers and crazy,
43:03
fog and stuff isn't really. Something that's happened to the
43:06
place before where, as you know, every game, I dunno episode a
43:10
three-set, but Sona fives. Obviously in Tokyo, and I
43:15
suppose, maybe it's just like a little bit of a change, whereas,
43:17
if there's a serial killer in a city.
43:19
So okay, this is bad, but it's kind of business as usual,
43:22
whereas in the country, nothing really happens.
43:24
In Ann Arbor in this game. It's very much a quiet town.
43:28
Town where nothing goes on until these murders start and it's
43:34
been you know, it really shakes the community.
43:37
Yeah and I think that's a big element of this game.
43:40
Is that the fact that it's such a close-knit community?
43:44
Where you know, they've got their problems, they've got
43:46
their, you know, issues with Juniors closing down the
43:49
shopping district. And you know, everyone knows
43:53
each other's business and all of a sudden this serial killer
43:56
turns up and It's really freaking people out, you know?
44:01
Yeah. And there's also the idea that
44:03
the law enforcement can't quite cope with what's going on.
44:06
And yeah, especially in forces us to be called from elsewhere.
44:10
And just the idea that there's not much to do in this town and
44:16
sometimes when you're playing it, I don't know if this is
44:19
intended or not. You feel you feel like?
44:21
Yeah, there's not much to do between the dungeons.
44:24
Sometimes you, there's no one that you can talk to you to
44:28
advance on the rainy days and stuff.
44:30
Yeah. And you just end up finding
44:33
something Buddy. Awesome Iowa.
44:35
Yeah. Or for the 40th time going to
44:39
try that Big Bowl challenge. Yeah.
44:42
Just to get your understanding up in your courage and yeah.
44:44
Just to pass the time. And I would say yeah, just to
44:46
increase your courage. Ending perception.
44:51
One of the other things that I think there is a bit of
44:53
commentary on. I don't think this game does
44:56
incredibly well, with any of them, maybe, with the exception
44:59
of the countryside, which I think it does quite nicely is
45:04
now I called this topic nihilism so I'd actually in his
45:08
conversation at the end. The reason he's doing what he's
45:10
doing. Is he describes it as being?
45:13
He's bored. And he's angry that he was and
45:18
out to this Countryside town and the way that he's getting
45:22
vengeance is to create chaos and cause these murders to happen,
45:29
and He also basically describes how whatever the, whatever the
45:38
team does will amount to nothing, and their lives will be
45:42
meaningless. And the reason that they're
45:44
chasing this answer, this truth is because they've got nothing
45:49
else to look for or to look forward to and I think it
45:53
touches upon it and you definitely get the feel of that
45:56
in the game. But I don't know if it Does it
46:00
justice? I don't know if you've got any
46:03
feelings about that. Not that I've thought of ahead
46:10
of time. So I don't really have any funny
46:11
form for some but it's an interesting point.
46:14
And yeah, I'd actually does this because he's bored and because
46:17
he's lonely. And he's just in the middle of
46:19
nowhere. When he, you know, he thought
46:21
he'd be a big shot officer and he's like a 26 year old doing
46:25
nothing really. So he just gets poured inside.
46:27
Stock, having people killed, which is, you know, she can get
46:31
away with it. He does.
46:32
The first one is like, oh wow, I can get away with this and then
46:34
all of a sudden he's killed like Five people or something?
46:38
Yeah, it's an interesting one that there's another element of
46:41
the story that I wanted to touch on as well.
46:44
Before we move on. Yeah, I really liked and then I
46:49
thought oh wow, they've actually done that and then they reversed
46:52
it which I thought was a shame and about three-quarters of the
46:58
way through the game nanako dies and yeah nanako is the cousin.
47:03
She's like this 56 year old girl that You live with and like
47:08
she's a really sweet kid and then she gets she gets kidnapped
47:13
and taken to the TV world and you go into her dungeon which
47:16
you know, it's a cold dungeon. And yeah, you bring her back and
47:22
she gets hooked up to a hospital ventilation.
47:23
You think she's getting better than all of a sudden?
47:25
She just, just like dies and everyone is absolutely
47:28
distraught and, you know, dejima is ruined.
47:32
But then about five minutes later they're like, oh no, she's
47:36
fine. We brought her back to life.
47:37
It's all good and I really wish that they stuck with killing
47:42
off. Interesting.
47:43
Yeah. And because it, literally, when
47:45
it happened, I was like, no way. Like they actually do that.
47:48
What? And I was really surprised.
47:52
And then within five minutes it's all absolutely final so
47:56
it's such a good opportunity. I don't know what it was an
47:58
opportunity for but I thought it would take real balls to do
48:02
something like that and they did.
48:03
It could then they step back. Yeah.
48:06
See a different side of the characters but it's one of those
48:08
paths that I can understand why they backtrack, because think of
48:13
The Last of Us, don't think of the last was part one.
48:18
When you go down that route, Route.
48:20
It defines the rest of the game and you can't walk it back
48:24
whereas that if they walked it back very quickly and then the
48:28
characters could be merry and a team working to basically what
48:33
the Persona series is about. Whereas it I think it would have
48:36
turned into a very different game had they walked that route.
48:39
It would have been interesting no doubt the thing is they did
48:44
it with a catchy didn't a and Persona 5 but because at that
48:48
point could touchy Kotetsu. Sorry catchy was an antagonist.
48:54
It's it didn't really hold as heavy but like the scene where a
48:58
catch. He's basically giving you the
49:00
reason why he's done everything, and it's because, you know, his
49:03
dad was horrendous to him and you know, you get a reason
49:08
behind it and then he just dies, I was like, oh man, because like
49:11
a catchy was really interesting character and I like the fact
49:15
that they got rid of him even though they're kind of bringing
49:18
back in the final semester, stir just for him to kind of go
49:20
again. But yeah, I like it when games
49:24
do that and they take a risk and get rid of someone that you
49:27
weren't really expecting. It would rise when sucky the go.
49:36
Yeah, I was surprised when she was dead.
49:39
Yeah. The, the second victim that hit
49:41
quite hard because You just it's like with with Sona five.
49:48
You said that almost causes the girl to commit suicide.
49:52
She doesn't she do? She didn't die.
49:56
She and you Yeah, and it's like a line that games don't really
50:02
cross where is Sona for very quickly jumps over that line.
50:06
And yeah, never really walked it back from that and it's always
50:11
She's never forgotten. No, particularly for you.
50:14
Ask a. Yeah, and she's brought up all
50:17
the way, certainly up to the point where I am.
50:19
Now she comes up in a lot of conversations, and that's really
50:24
interesting. Because, if you're at a school,
50:30
And whether you're close to that person or not, if another
50:33
student dies, it's it's really hard hitting.
50:39
So yeah, it's a really interesting thing that they do
50:41
there, okay. I want to talk a bit more about
50:43
the dungeons before we move on to something else.
50:47
So, We've talked about the structure of the dungeons.
50:52
What they what to me, what they do is, you're right there
50:55
corridors, but they have a different paint job, one of them
50:58
and some of the paint jobs are more appealing than other ones.
51:01
Were there any ones that you thought?
51:02
Stood out to you as in like the my favorite dungeons?
51:06
Yeah I like the last one quite a lot with a duchy was good.
51:13
Yeah I thought that was quite cool and I'd say nanako's as
51:17
well-being, heaven. Because that's quite heavily
51:20
linked with her character of, never really understanding why
51:23
her mom died. Yeah, I thought the heaven one
51:27
was quite good and maybe congees perhaps the bath house but a lot
51:41
of them syncing with each other. I mean, like the video game me
51:44
one was interesting. But it also did my head in a
51:49
little bit but that was like a proper Minecraft world before my
51:52
last Leaf existed. Yeah I do.
51:55
Nice art style. Yeah.
51:57
But now I'd say heaven and then in Arbor for a Dutch in nanako.
52:02
What about you? Yeah, I'd agree with those
52:06
Turner that I put in the, the video game one as well.
52:12
The game doesn't do dungeons as well as Persona 5, know, but I
52:17
also felt with Persona 5 and I think I don't know if you agree
52:21
with this. It's nowhere near achieves, what
52:26
he could do with those dungeons. It still feels at times like a
52:30
dungeon with some intervals and some bits in between, what was
52:38
some of the Palaces of Persona, 5 have quite cool gaming
52:43
mechanics. Put into them like, my from
52:46
memory, my favorite Palace in Persona 5, was the art gallery.
52:51
And there were section of the Gallery where to get through you
52:54
had to jump into paintings and you know, hop around.
52:57
But some of the policies in that games what bigger?
53:01
Like we're too big, I think then they were so big to a point
53:05
where it kind of Drew away from them a little bit.
53:07
Like, if this Palace was a little bit smaller, it will be
53:09
better. But because you've added so much
53:12
volume and size to this thing to make it feel Grand.
53:17
It feels a bit empty and it feels like it's padding.
53:19
You know what I mean? Yeah, that's um, I definitely
53:23
preferred some to others and some were better than others.
53:28
But They won. I think I've played RPGs that do
53:35
dungeons better, and I think that's that's what I think.
53:39
I was getting out there. I feel like this, there's some
53:42
way to go to make them even better, like, with the art
53:45
gallery. I see that they kind of touch on
53:47
this Heist that you're doing to steal the the calling card and I
53:53
wanted it to go. Full-blown Heist.
53:56
You are you really planning it out?
53:58
And it's just stuff like that. They could have take it further
54:02
for me, but don't get me wrong. I think there are, there are
54:06
quite significantly farther ahead than Persona 4.
54:13
Okay, audio for this game, we touched briefly on it, but
54:16
anything you want to say about the audio but I think the, I
54:20
think the music in Persona 5 is better.
54:23
But I think the music in this game is still very, very good
54:27
particularly opening theme, you know, the opening cutscene.
54:31
I think it works really well and I don't know what style, I would
54:38
give Persona 5. It kind of feels like a weird
54:44
element of Jazzy Funk whereas Persona 4.
54:51
I don't know how you put your finger on it, but it is very,
54:57
very catchy, very viable, very upbeat.
54:59
And, you know, the color palette of this game, like, Persona 5,
55:01
it's like a red and black color theme wearers Persona 4 is like
55:07
multicolored. It feels very like, something
55:10
very much out of the 70s, which were yellow, isn't there?
55:14
Yeah, a lot of yellow. And it is a, I mean, they're
55:17
both very colorful games Persona 4 doesn't pop as much as I've
55:21
just because of, you know, the times that they were released,
55:25
but yeah, the music in this game is good.
55:26
The American voice acting. I did it 50/50.
55:29
So the first half the game, I did the Japanese voice acting
55:32
and the second half of the game. I did the English.
55:38
And the voice acting is okay. It's very much like an
55:41
Americanized Japanese RPG, the voice actors sounded very
55:46
similar. So yeah, massively massively.
55:51
But yeah, the the standout on the audio side would probably be
55:54
the music which is very good but not quite up to levels of
55:57
Persona 5, I don't think. Yeah, I would agree with that.
56:01
Don't really have anything to add visuals, anything else to
56:05
say about those again. See, it's a game of its time.
56:10
It still looks like it still looks good, but it is very
56:12
obviously. Now that you say, it's a PS2
56:15
game online our K. Yeah.
56:16
I can see that. Now, you know, the character
56:19
models are very obviously from that generation.
56:25
The, the cutscenes is, like, just watching like a Japanese
56:29
anime and it looks really good done.
56:32
Mmm, but yeah, the the overall look of the game is is good
56:35
again, doesn't pop. Quite as much as Persona 5.
56:38
Like I said, it's hard to not compare these two games which is
56:43
probably somewhat unfair, but yeah, it looks, it looks good
56:46
for its age. I think particularly with the
56:48
new up scales on the switch and the PS4 and 5 and the Xbox.
56:52
Yeah, I think I take it further, I think it looks very good for
56:55
its age. 2008, I mean for a PS4, the PS2.
56:59
Mmm. I think it was very good for its
57:02
age. The fact that it's still quite
57:03
quite nice to look at anyways. Very colorful pops a lot.
57:09
And a lot of what Persona 5 does, right is here, which is
57:14
present and correct in Persona 4 Golden, okay?
57:18
So, onto the question of the week.
57:22
What direction would you like to see the next Persona game?
57:25
Going in terms of setting terms of story in terms of maturity,
57:33
in terms of where you want to see the dungeons, go where you
57:37
want? See the characters go?
57:38
It will any thoughts about that? I don't know.
57:43
I suppose. Persona 5 was our first one and
57:49
I was very surprised with how much I liked it because I love
57:52
that game as brilliant and Persona 4.
57:57
I was expecting it to be long as it's back to be good.
57:59
I don't think it exceeded expectations but it met my
58:02
expectations. And the one thing that would be
58:05
interested to see if a Persona 6 comes out because you are bear
58:10
in mind. These games are all part of
58:12
Shimmer. Got me Sensei, and I think
58:13
there's like 14 or 15 enters into that series.
58:16
It's crazy. So the, the main line games is,
58:19
they've just they really well couple of years ago.
58:21
I think. Now they release five on the
58:23
switch but there are more other spin-offs.
58:26
Yeah. She loads of them, but I'd be
58:29
interested to see if they do another one, what the themes
58:32
would be in it and how differently they're treated
58:34
because you've gone from very humble fisted in Persona 4 to
58:39
not amazing and Persona 5, and I'll be interesting to see if
58:42
their hand or a lot better. And Persona 6 in terms of
58:46
setting, I like the Tokyo setting, I like the city setting
58:50
and I think that works quite well, but in terms of anything
58:52
else, I don't really know. I'd probably need a lot longer
58:55
to think about that. At but seeing as it was your
58:58
question, I imagine you probably got a better answer than I have,
59:02
I don't want. I've seen Tokyo in many other
59:08
games and the accuser games have done Tokyo very well.
59:17
And a lot and they use, they started branching out to
59:20
different cities and I always preferred the entries where you
59:24
go to a different city, other than Tokyo.
59:26
I'm just because it felt different.
59:29
Yeah. And I don't want to go back to
59:30
Tokyo. I'd like to see another city in
59:32
Japan, maybe one. Which I mean there are so many
59:35
diverse cities in Japan and I would like to see maybe
59:42
somewhere different maybe with a touch of Countryside as well.
59:45
I really like the countryside setting here.
59:48
I think it could be explored more.
59:49
As you said that there aren't a great deal of locations to
59:52
actually go to so though I like the atmosphere in the setting If
59:57
you don't, you don't really get to properly, explore it not.
59:59
And I would also like to see I don't want to say open world so
1:00:05
don't I don't agree with that but a bit more open, more
1:00:10
location, the game. Yeah, but also maybe the ability
1:00:14
to walk between them, right? Whereas in this game and in
1:00:20
Persona 5, you kind of go between them via a menu.
1:00:23
Yeah. And it doesn't mean I want to
1:00:25
see persona persona 6 Oblivion, I don't want to see that but but
1:00:32
just something a bit more. Our open where you can do a bit
1:00:35
more exploring and maybe a bit more variety in the gameplay.
1:00:39
I would also like to see a more mature story where they do the
1:00:44
stuff that they were doing in for, but take it even further
1:00:49
because And commit to it because I although as I said they do
1:00:54
backtrack and it would have changed the game fundamentally.
1:00:58
I still think it's a bit of a tangent that I'd like to go on
1:01:01
out of curiosity. See, ya.
1:01:05
And that would be where, and I think?
1:01:10
A lot of the, a lot of the monsters and that they seem to
1:01:14
be quite similar between the games, a lot of the personas and
1:01:17
the Shadows. So maybe it needs a bit of a
1:01:20
refresh in terms of that like inclusion of mr.
1:01:24
Blobby maybe yeah, as a Shadows characters.
1:01:29
Yeah, I'd like to go to Noel's house party.
1:01:32
Yes, that'll be an interesting worm, her way through the floors
1:01:35
and then yes, have a sub-bosses Noel Edmonds.
1:01:38
And then the final boss as mr. Blobby Be what a haunting idea
1:01:42
that is make it right. You know, that game and you can
1:01:47
throw your money at whatever company decides to do it.
1:01:50
There you go. There you go.
1:01:51
Atlas. Yeah.
1:01:54
Yeah, I'm interested to see what they do next.
1:01:58
I think. Yeah, I don't know where they're
1:02:00
going to go and I think, well, if they will, so I think it will
1:02:04
happen. Seven years since Persona 5 now.
1:02:09
So, Maybe the next couple of years.
1:02:11
Eight years, between Persona 4 and 5, other 92 years between
1:02:16
three and four. Well, they've just put it beside
1:02:20
of 5 over 2, all the console's having a so they'll probably
1:02:23
want to make some more money off that for a couple of years
1:02:27
before they start doing other stuff.
1:02:29
Maybe and bear in mind as well. You've got other persona games
1:02:33
that have come out in that time I Persona 5 Strikers.
1:02:37
Yeah, that I've I mean I've got access to I've not played It.
1:02:42
But I think it's from what I've seen is.
1:02:43
All right? I think it's in the same kind of
1:02:45
vain as Hyrule Warriors for the Wii U.
1:02:48
Is that kind of vibe but yeah so they're still making money off
1:02:52
the Persona 5 games so yeah but maybe in the next few years
1:02:59
perhaps we'll see. Okay.
1:03:01
So onto our wrap-up does Persona 4 Golden deserve to be on the
1:03:05
Metacritic top 100 list? Yes.
1:03:08
I think it does. I I think it's probably well
1:03:12
well positioned because I think this probably comes in at about
1:03:15
maybe halfway 3/4 away down the list of the inclusion since
1:03:19
being put in since we started the list and I think right near
1:03:22
the end it's right on the on the cusp.
1:03:25
Well, I think Persona 5 deserves its spot more than Persona 4
1:03:29
does. But I think they both have that.
1:03:31
Isaiah. And by saying that, I mean
1:03:35
Persona 5 deserves to be higher up the list.
1:03:37
Like I said, it feels like persona for walked.
1:03:39
So Persona 5 could run and about both games.
1:03:43
There are elements to it, which make it better than the other.
1:03:46
But overall I think the personify was a better game but
1:03:51
persona for definitely has its place in the list.
1:03:53
I think it definitely deserves to be here.
1:03:55
What do you think? yeah, I I think sign of five
1:04:01
taken as a total package is a better game but there are
1:04:06
elements of persona for that I do prefer the story characters,
1:04:10
like the characters setting, the family dynamic, but the Dungeons
1:04:18
and that side of thing is a lot better in Persona 5 and you're
1:04:22
right. It does have more to do.
1:04:24
It's got a bit more style. It's got a better soundtrack.
1:04:27
Yep. Then Persona 4 but your mileage
1:04:31
may vary on these games. Some people prefer persona for
1:04:34
Some people prefer Persona 5 and I do think given all the
1:04:39
similarities that these games have a really big compliment
1:04:43
that you can pay either of them really is that they have their
1:04:46
own identity. And they have a unique story to
1:04:49
tell. So yeah.
1:04:52
I think it's supposed to be here and yeah, somewhere near the end
1:04:58
of the list but I think it deserves to be here.
1:05:00
Yeah. Still a big compliment.
1:05:03
You can pay the Persona series is that there are still not many
1:05:07
other games, quite like them. No, do really unique.
1:05:11
Yeah, absolutely. Did you ever?
1:05:14
Encounter. I don't know if it's called the
1:05:15
Grim Reaper in this game or death or did you ever encounter
1:05:19
them? No, I wasn't sure if they
1:05:21
existed but I did. I did wonder because obviously
1:05:26
it's mentioned in mementos episode of five but I wasn't
1:05:29
sure if it was going to be an inclusion.
1:05:31
But there were a few dungeons, I was running around where I could
1:05:34
hear like the clinking of chains which is obviously the same as
1:05:38
what happens in Persona 5 and mementos with a grim reaper, but
1:05:42
I didn't think it was actually Going to be a thing in there.
1:05:44
So no, I didn't ever come across.
1:05:46
I didn't know it was there. I had a feeling so I heard the
1:05:48
chains but now I'm here. So in the, you know, in the
1:05:53
video game dungeon. Yeah, I opened a chest and I got
1:05:59
a warning saying, are you sure you want to open this chest?
1:06:03
You really don't want to open it, right?
1:06:05
And then I clicked. Yes.
1:06:07
Yeah, open it. And I got second warning.
1:06:10
You really shouldn't open this chest and I click yes.
1:06:13
And I open the chest and then I had a fight with the Grim Reaper
1:06:18
or death and Andy just obliterated me.
1:06:21
Mm-hmm. So, yeah, that was my experience
1:06:24
there. That's what I thought was quite
1:06:25
a nice touch that it was there. Yeah.
1:06:28
Yeah, I think it was random because I retried that floor and
1:06:31
they weren't there that next time.
1:06:32
That's cool. That's cool.
1:06:35
Good inclusion. Okay, what we got coming up on
1:06:39
the list. Yeah, we did.
1:06:41
We did mention this in the last episode, but the last kind of 20
1:06:45
minutes of the recording, got that got skewed, didn't they?
1:06:49
So we will reiterate Because we had technical issues on that
1:06:54
episode. So next game we're doing which
1:06:56
will be in two weeks time I think is going to be Tetris
1:07:01
effect connected the game that we are saying for ages that
1:07:04
we're going to do that we've been looking forward to
1:07:06
massively and you know we're both very much looking forward
1:07:09
to spending 30 pounds on Tetris. So there's that and then so
1:07:14
that's in two weeks time and then the week after that, we are
1:07:16
going to be doing breath of the wild finally Which I have
1:07:22
started. I haven't started Tetris yet
1:07:24
because, you know, is Tetris, but I have started breath of the
1:07:26
wild. So we've got one game where we
1:07:31
don't really know what it's going to be like.
1:07:33
And then one game where it's probably going to be quite an
1:07:35
interesting episode. Yes.
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Not that any of our episodes are not interesting.
1:07:40
You understand, they're all equally as interesting, but yes,
1:07:43
I feel more people will be excited by Zelda than they might
1:07:45
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