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Saved from the Edge, Part 2 · The Chaplain's Corner

• 0:03
  Chaplain Terry: Good morning everyone.
• 0:04
  Chaplain Terry: Captain Terry Warner here.
• 0:06
  Chaplain Terry: We're gonna hit some more on our podcast with Tom Snow.
• 0:10
  Chaplain Terry: We left off at a pinch point uh the other day.
• 0:14
  Chaplain Terry: So we'll pick up part two, and without further ado, this is an interesting story, and I'm really impressed.
• 0:21
  Chaplain Terry: So, Tom, it's all yours.
• 0:24
  Tom Snow: Well, thank you.
• 0:24
  Tom Snow: Glad to have it.
• 0:25
  Tom Snow: Thanks for having me back.
• 0:27
  Chaplain Terry: You're welcome.
• 0:28
  Tom Snow: So uh last time we were had just talking about I had just heard the audible voice of God uh going through all this pain and trauma of dying of cancer and uh my mother dying, and he told me he loved me.
• 0:45
  Tom Snow: He said, Someday I'll provide my perfect mate for me.
• 0:48
  Tom Snow: Um the yes, the love was obvious.
• 0:53
  Tom Snow: He filled the room with love when he said it.
• 0:56
  Tom Snow: It was overwhelming.
• 0:58
  Tom Snow: The someday I'll provide a perfect mate for you made no sense since I was doomed to be six feet under.
• 1:04
  Tom Snow: I assume he hadn't got the memo.
• 1:06
  Tom Snow: But uh, you know, he's only the almighty God that spoke the world into being, but he probably didn't get the memo.
• 1:12
  Tom Snow: That was all I could think.
• 1:13
  Tom Snow: So um at that point, now I'm crying out with all my being, how do I reach this true and living God?
• 1:22
  Tom Snow: He's way out.
• 1:24
  Tom Snow: I always thought he was way out there in the universe, but now he came close and was so close.
• 1:29
  Tom Snow: Uh the Bible tells us he has every hair on our heads numbered.
• 1:35
  Tom Snow: And he does.
• 1:36
  Tom Snow: He's that close.
• 1:38
  Tom Snow: He's more close than we are.
• 1:39
  Tom Snow: When we comb our hair and we throw the the the hairs fall out and we throw them in the trash, he actually knows the number of each hair that fell in.
• 1:48
  Tom Snow: We we can't imagine a God that great.
• 1:51
  Tom Snow: So, but now my my whole being's crying out, how do I reach this this God, this loving God of the universe?
• 2:01
  Tom Snow: And I didn't know how.
• 2:03
  Tom Snow: About a month later, uh my brother Bruce, middle brother, was in college, and he came home to tell my father and I that he'd just been on an LSD trip.
• 2:15
  Tom Snow: Now, 1970, upper middle class family.
• 2:19
  Tom Snow: You don't joke about drugs, you don't talk about drugs.
• 2:23
  Tom Snow: My father disciplined with the belt and the fist, and he would have beat my brother within an inch of his life if he thought he was doing drugs.
• 2:34
  Tom Snow: Any kind of drug.
• 2:35
  Tom Snow: So Bruce comes home to tell us about being on an LSD trip.
• 2:40
  Tom Snow: It's not a joking matter, and he said that his friends had talked him into going on a trip.
• 2:45
  Tom Snow: He'd been on an LSD trip a year prior, had flashbacks for nine months, said he'd never do it again.
• 2:52
  Tom Snow: He was talked into it again.
• 2:55
  Tom Snow: And while he's on this trip, he's totally his mind's getting freaked out.
• 3:01
  Tom Snow: And while he's on the trip, he had heard the gospel.
• 3:06
  Tom Snow: He had gone to some churches with his friends that talked about how to come to the Lord.
• 3:12
  Tom Snow: He cried out to the Lord, he asked the Lord to save him.
• 3:15
  Tom Snow: The Lord instantly sobered him, instantly took him down off this trip.
• 3:19
  Tom Snow: He never had a flashback.
• 3:20
  Tom Snow: And he came home to tell us this news.
• 3:25
  Tom Snow: My father's jaw hits the ground, my jaw hits the ground.
• 3:29
  Tom Snow: You know, if my father wasn't so stunned, he probably would have beat my brother.
• 3:34
  Tom Snow: But he didn't.
• 3:36
  Tom Snow: Too stunned.
• 3:37
  Tom Snow: And um so for the next day and a half, I hound Bruce.
• 3:44
  Tom Snow: I you know, I'm I'm connecting dots.
• 3:47
  Tom Snow: God loves me, I felt that love.
• 3:50
  Tom Snow: You know, the only possible way out of all the guilt and pain I feel for and hate for myself for killing my mother, in my belief, you know.
• 3:58
  Tom Snow: And at this point, you know, it's like, how do I meet the Lord?
• 4:04
  Tom Snow: So he tells me, leads me through the scriptures, he, you know, shows me how to, you know, repent and ask the Lord to come into my life.
• 4:12
  Tom Snow: And I did.
• 4:13
  Tom Snow: And I did it over and over and over again for a day and a half.
• 4:16
  Tom Snow: Bruce had had the Star-Spangled Banner when the Lord saved him.
• 4:20
  Tom Snow: He comes instantly down off a trip, he's sober, the glory of God's around him, he's got star-spangled banner, and I got nothing.
• 4:30
  Tom Snow: And I'm like, you know, I don't understand.
• 4:34
  Tom Snow: And all of a sudden, the devil's whispering my ear, you know what?
• 4:38
  Tom Snow: This God stuff's a bunch of bull.
• 4:41
  Chaplain Terry: You didn't get anything.
• 4:43
  Tom Snow: No, I you didn't get anything, and and you know, Bruce got it, so what?
• 4:48
  Tom Snow: You know, he's kind of off the wall anyway, crazy.
• 4:50
  Tom Snow: And you know, I think it's all a bunch of bull.
• 4:54
  Tom Snow: He's the devil's just wind and all the time, whispering my ear.
• 4:57
  Tom Snow: And you know what?
• 4:58
  Tom Snow: You thought about a month ago you heard the audible voice of God.
• 5:02
  Tom Snow: You know what?
• 5:03
  Tom Snow: That was all in your head.
• 5:04
  Tom Snow: You made that up.
• 5:05
  Tom Snow: You were probably just a dream, you were probably asleep.
• 5:07
  Tom Snow: Now you think you were awake just sitting in your family room, but you know it was a dream.
• 5:12
  Tom Snow: And and and this is all a bunch of lies, and and God's not real or close, and you're going to, you know, you're gonna die here shortly, and your life's hell.
• 5:23
  Tom Snow: And and and nobody's gonna save you.
• 5:26
  Tom Snow: And I bought into his lies.
• 5:29
  Tom Snow: And all of a sudden, now at this point, now I only not just hate myself and full of guilt for thinking I killed my mother doing these experiments at asbestos, but now I now have a hate raging inside of me that the devil's lying, that God's not real.
• 5:47
  Tom Snow: So now I'm just like mad at God.
• 5:49
  Tom Snow: Okay, so the devil's winning big time, and he's just laughing his tail off, you know, spinning me in in circles.
• 5:58
  Tom Snow: And so at this point, I start to go totally haywire.
• 6:02
  Tom Snow: And for the next eight months, the devil was gonna win big time, and so I took and get a little sip of coffee.
• 6:15
  Chaplain Terry: We have a tendency to think that God talks to us like he talks to everybody, but he talks to each person individually.
• 6:23
  Tom Snow: Oh, he does, you know, and we can all hear the still small, quiet voice, yes, but we have to be careful because there's other voices we hear, and the biggest voice that has trained us is the devil.
• 6:34
  Tom Snow: Yes, you know, he's the God of this world, and we were raised under his tutelage.
• 6:40
  Tom Snow: So we were raised, you know, this is what's called the old man, the old nature, the flesh.
• 6:48
  Tom Snow: We were raised under the tutelage of the God of this world, and he taught us to run the maze.
• 6:55
  Tom Snow: He can poke us this way, we'll do something.
• 6:58
  Tom Snow: He'll poke us another way, we'll do something else.
• 7:00
  Tom Snow: He'll ring a bell, we'll do it again something.
• 7:03
  Tom Snow: He'll put a piece of cheese, we'll run after it.
• 7:06
  Tom Snow: He's been in control, and he taught us how to think.
• 7:10
  Tom Snow: And so he we're actually so well taught, all he has to do is just throw a little word in our in our ears, and we go, oh yeah, yeah, and we just jump right on to that nature.
• 7:20
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah, we have a tendency to not realize that it's the spirit that's saved.
• 7:25
  Chaplain Terry: The soul is renewed with renewing in your mind, you will remove and the carnal is your body, and uh the the carnal and the soul have a tough time grasping righteousness and being born again.
• 7:42
  Chaplain Terry: Sorry.
• 7:42
  Tom Snow: No, you're you're right.
• 7:43
  Tom Snow: We we weren't raised, we were raised totally opposite, right?
• 7:47
  Tom Snow: By the God of this world who has full of pride and ego, thought he was equal to God, got kicked out of heaven.
• 7:54
  Tom Snow: He's down here ruling over us.
• 7:57
  Tom Snow: He's the sadists of sadists.
• 7:59
  Tom Snow: If he had a choice, he would just torture us and destroy us instantly.
• 8:03
  Tom Snow: Well, very shortly, he'd a lot of torture.
• 8:06
  Tom Snow: But the father doesn't let him read Job.
• 8:10
  Tom Snow: You know, he puts a hedge, and this is the earth's a testing ground.
• 8:14
  Tom Snow: We all think, oh, you get saved, life's gonna be a bowl of cherries.
• 8:18
  Tom Snow: No, it's not, not at all.
• 8:20
  Tom Snow: You be around for a while, you know that it's going to hell and back, but guess what?
• 8:26
  Tom Snow: We get to walk with the true and living God as we walk through this hell and back.
• 8:30
  Tom Snow: The earth's a testing ground.
• 8:32
  Chaplain Terry: We arisen with him, right?
• 8:34
  Tom Snow: And as you said, you know, what you're talking about is sanctification, right?
• 8:38
  Tom Snow: Which is the process, it's a lifelong process of purifying, of us giving areas of our soul to the Lord and letting him take over.
• 8:50
  Tom Snow: That's being renewed in the spirit, that's putting on the new man, the new mind in Christ.
• 8:57
  Tom Snow: And so that's where it's a lifelong process.
• 9:00
  Tom Snow: Anybody who says I'm saved and sanctified, salvation is we were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit the day we asked him to come in.
• 9:08
  Tom Snow: I was sealed that day, I just didn't know it.
• 9:10
  Tom Snow: You know, you don't have to feel it.
• 9:11
  Tom Snow: You don't feel it all the time.
• 9:13
  Tom Snow: If you go on feelings, it's ridiculous.
• 9:15
  Tom Snow: Feelings is in our soul, where our heart and our mind is.
• 9:19
  Tom Snow: And anybody who says they're saved and sanctified, yeah, we're saved.
• 9:23
  Tom Snow: We got sealed with the Holy Spirit, but sanctified not at all.
• 9:27
  Tom Snow: That's the process.
• 9:28
  Tom Snow: It's a, and if anybody says they are, they're either dead or liars.
• 9:33
  Tom Snow: Because the only time you're going to be sanctified is when you die, and then you come before the Lord, and he will evaluate, you know, our souls, how we did we yield to the true and living God.
• 9:45
  Tom Snow: Not did we walk a perfect life.
• 9:47
  Tom Snow: I I and I'm I'm energy, I'm a tangent guy, so I'll just throw this in.
• 9:51
  Tom Snow: But I hate fake religiosity, I hate fake spirituality.
• 9:56
  Tom Snow: We are not to act all religious.
• 9:59
  Tom Snow: God doesn't respond isn't impressed with we put on a Sunday smile, but on the inside we're going, you know, live in hell.
• 10:06
  Chaplain Terry: He wants to hold our hands like this, and holding our hands like this, and looking holding, yeah, I know.
• 10:13
  Tom Snow: Yeah, we we don't impress God because he knows the heart, he knows the truth.
• 10:17
  Tom Snow: And if we yield to him, we learn just to yield to him and let his righteousness come through.
• 10:24
  Tom Snow: It's his righteousness that's in Christ, not us.
• 10:27
  Tom Snow: So back to the story.
• 10:29
  Tom Snow: So here I am.
• 10:30
  Tom Snow: I'm now buying into well, God's abandoned you, so now you should just be mad at him.
• 10:36
  Tom Snow: And I'm like listening to that voice going, yeah, I just should be mad, you know, because now I'm gonna die and I don't know where I'm going, and and and the salvation thing didn't work.
• 10:46
  Tom Snow: And I probably was just, I no, I heard the audible voice of God.
• 10:50
  Tom Snow: It shook the whole room I was in.
• 10:52
  Tom Snow: I was wide awake.
• 10:52
  Tom Snow: It was the middle of the afternoon.
• 10:54
  Tom Snow: I just got home from school, but you know what?
• 10:57
  Tom Snow: I believe the lie of the devil.
• 10:59
  Tom Snow: I'll bet you what it was just something I made up.
• 11:02
  Tom Snow: So I'm buying into his baloney sandwich.
• 11:05
  Tom Snow: By the way, I have a 12-year-old daughter, and so in our house, when we talk about BS, we call it baloney sandwich.
• 11:12
  Tom Snow: So you all know what a BS is, but you know in my house with a 12-year-old daughter, it's baloney sandwich.
• 11:20
  Tom Snow: So he was feeding me baloney sandwiches, and I'm buying it all day long.
• 11:24
  Tom Snow: And so uh at this point, I I had to, I just went crazy.
• 11:32
  Tom Snow: I I started drinking, I became the second biggest drinker in my high school.
• 11:38
  Tom Snow: Uh, I had talked my father into getting me a little motorcycle uh because I wanted the wind blowing in my face.
• 11:45
  Tom Snow: Uh I knew that to get that, I would have to get a job.
• 11:51
  Tom Snow: That's a rule in the family, and I believe in that anyway.
• 11:53
  Tom Snow: I don't give kids, I don't give my kids anything.
• 11:56
  Tom Snow: You know, you earn it, you work it for it.
• 11:58
  Tom Snow: And so um I to do that though, I'd have to get a job in 1970.
• 12:07
  Tom Snow: The only thing available to me was food handling.
• 12:10
  Tom Snow: Uh, and to do that, I'd have to get a food handler's permit.
• 12:14
  Tom Snow: That meant go to the county clinic, get an X-ray, and a blood test.
• 12:20
  Tom Snow: I knew now that tumor that had started the size of a walnut was now probably the size of a softball, and I knew it's going to show up on the x-ray, and then the blood test, they could probably do a deeper dive into the blood test to find out what's going on.
• 12:38
  Tom Snow: Cancer's not a communicable disease, but they would now know.
• 12:43
  Tom Snow: Well, they granted me the food handler's permit.
• 12:46
  Tom Snow: I got my job, I got my motorcycle.
• 12:49
  Tom Snow: I came walking home one day uh from school, and as I come walking home, yeah, this is about a week after I got my permit, my father's car was home in the drive, unusual, middle of the day, April uh day.
• 13:09
  Tom Snow: Come and as I came walking at the door, I knew because I knew because I knew, just like God can let us know, the Holy Spirit.
• 13:17
  Tom Snow: And I knew my father'd gotten the letter talk telling about the cancer.
• 13:21
  Tom Snow: So I knew my secret was going to be out.
• 13:24
  Tom Snow: Now I figured my father's a hard rock.
• 13:26
  Tom Snow: Uh, you know, he doesn't show love.
• 13:29
  Tom Snow: My mother's the only one who showed love.
• 13:31
  Tom Snow: But I thought, well, maybe he could figuratively put his arm around me.
• 13:34
  Tom Snow: I I know I don't deserve medical attention.
• 13:37
  Tom Snow: He could maybe do that.
• 13:38
  Tom Snow: It might be a nice gesture.
• 13:40
  Tom Snow: I don't deserve it.
• 13:41
  Tom Snow: You know, because I have the guilt of the world that I doing these experiments had killed my mother and caused the cancer to me.
• 13:49
  Tom Snow: So I don't deserve it.
• 13:50
  Tom Snow: But I came walking in and I knew because I knew, and as I came walking in the door, he's got a fire in the fireplace.
• 13:57
  Tom Snow: 80-some degree April day.
• 13:59
  Tom Snow: You don't need a fire, he loves fires, but you know, that's a nighttime thing, and it wasn't cold.
• 14:04
  Tom Snow: And he came walking in, and as soon as I walk in the door, he looks like the cat that swallowed the canary.
• 14:10
  Tom Snow: And he flips this letter into the fire.
• 14:14
  Tom Snow: And I got really sarcastic.
• 14:17
  Tom Snow: And I said, What you doing?
• 14:20
  Tom Snow: Nothing, nothing.
• 14:22
  Tom Snow: Well, no, no, why why why are you doing a fire in the middle of the day?
• 14:25
  Tom Snow: I'm just burning trash.
• 14:26
  Tom Snow: We have trash pickup, you don't need that.
• 14:29
  Tom Snow: Uh, yeah, I'm just burning trash.
• 14:31
  Tom Snow: Well, why are you doing that?
• 14:33
  Tom Snow: And that looked like a letter you threw in there.
• 14:35
  Tom Snow: Was that a letter you threw in the fire?
• 14:38
  Tom Snow: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 14:41
  Tom Snow: Also, I'm realizing, okay, I've known about this for about six or seven months.
• 14:47
  Tom Snow: He's just found out that his son, youngest of three, is going to die, just like his wife, my mother, six or seven months prior.
• 14:58
  Tom Snow: I'm sure it's a little bit of too much information.
• 15:00
  Tom Snow: Let me just give him a break, you know, and give him a little time to assimilate what he's just learned.
• 15:07
  Tom Snow: Well, I come home about a week later, and I come walking in the door, my father's home again early, and there's another car in the drive, unusual, but I thought maybe it's business.
• 15:19
  Tom Snow: Come walking in and he calls me into the living room.
• 15:22
  Tom Snow: He says, Tommy, come in.
• 15:23
  Tom Snow: And he has these two insurance agents sitting in the living room.
• 15:29
  Tom Snow: And I'm what?
• 15:30
  Tom Snow: And so, long story short, he takes out a multi-million dollar life insurance policy on me.
• 15:39
  Tom Snow: And I'm going, what in the sorry if I cuss, what in the hell?
• 15:44
  Tom Snow: What in the hell are you doing?
• 15:47
  Tom Snow: You know, it's like no, I know you're a hard rock.
• 15:52
  Tom Snow: I didn't think you were that callous.
• 15:54
  Tom Snow: You want to cash in on my death?
• 15:58
  Tom Snow: He didn't take an insurance policy out on my two older brothers, just me.
• 16:03
  Tom Snow: Golly gee, wonder why.
• 16:05
  Tom Snow: He hadn't told anybody about you know me dying.
• 16:10
  Tom Snow: He hadn't told me.
• 16:11
  Tom Snow: And I'm thinking the back of my mind, I've known for six months, and you just found out now you think you know it all, and you're gonna do this to me.
• 16:20
  Tom Snow: And now hate and anger and rage and unforgiveness are welling up in me against him, and the devil's having a heyday, and I'm just full of hate and wrath and unforgiveness.
• 16:33
  Tom Snow: And so now I'm gonna go.
• 16:37
  Tom Snow: You think I'm gonna spire out before?
• 16:39
  Tom Snow: Now I'm spiraling out of control.
• 16:41
  Tom Snow: And I sold everything I owned and everything he owned that I could get my hands on, and I bought an old chopper in box, in boxes, an old I'm chopper, old Hartley in boxes, old 49 Hartley, and I built it into a chopper.
• 16:56
  Tom Snow: And I started writing with the Hell's Angels, and now I'm not only the second biggest drinker in school, but now I'm a scuzzball that nobody would want to meet.
• 17:07
  Tom Snow: My people in my high school are like backing off from this long-haired, hippie biker gang, crazy.
• 17:14
  Tom Snow: They don't like stay away from this person, and I don't care because my life is hell, and I'm going to hell, and I'm dying, and I know I'm dying.
• 17:26
  Tom Snow: And so, why do I care what people think?
• 17:29
  Tom Snow: And so I, as I say, I just I'm spiraling.
• 17:34
  Tom Snow: I would drink a fifth of whiskey in two hours and then ride home on my motorcycle, and I was proud that I could do that.
• 17:44
  Tom Snow: And then I would be riding along on a four-lane highway, and I would be starting in the rightmost lane, all of a sudden wake up.
• 17:52
  Tom Snow: I was past the left, the fourth lane to the left and ready to go in the ditch.
• 17:56
  Tom Snow: And then all of a sudden, I'd just feel like I was shoved back over to the right lane, and then I'd wake up later and I was cross four lanes, about ready to go in the ditch, and get shoved back.
• 18:07
  Tom Snow: There's a lot of badly bruised angels that I appreciate that were looking out for me.
• 18:13
  Tom Snow: It's wonderful to have a praying mother and have a praying relative, and it's wonderful to have a God who loves us.
• 18:20
  Tom Snow: Yes, and and he was giving me a lot of chances.
• 18:23
  Tom Snow: So I'm I'm spiring, I've you know, believed every lie the devil told me.
• 18:30
  Tom Snow: He's winning, and I'm just I'm angry.
• 18:35
  Tom Snow: And I I formulated a plan, and my plan was this as soon as I got that motorcycle running good enough, where it would leave the city, Columbus, Ohio.
• 18:46
  Tom Snow: And by the way, it wouldn't.
• 18:49
  Tom Snow: Every time I got near the city's edge, it'd break.
• 18:51
  Tom Snow: It's like an angel with a sword touching it, going, uh, there you go.
• 18:55
  Tom Snow: And I'd have to limp it home and get and rebuild it.
• 18:59
  Tom Snow: I'd rebuild my motorcycle every week.
• 19:01
  Tom Snow: And I had formulated a plan that as soon as it was running right, I was gonna blackmail my father.
• 19:10
  Tom Snow: I was gonna say, I know about the insurance fraud, and I want X thousands of dollars, and I'm gonna do my last hurrah, and I'm gonna drive my motorcycle across country, you know, and you can come pick up the pieces later, but this is my last hurrah.
• 19:27
  Tom Snow: And that was what I was gonna tell him if the motorcycle road would stay running.
• 19:33
  Tom Snow: But my plan, true plan, was I was going to ride my motorcycle from Columbus to the Grand Canyon, and then I was writing it off.
• 19:45
  Tom Snow: I was going to choose my own death, and I it would be my last hurrah, that last moments of flying through the air till I was smithering on the Grand Canyon floor.
• 20:00
  Tom Snow: But my other part of my plan, devious, was to write a letter, tuck it inside, pin it inside my clothes, so that when they picked up the pieces at the bottom, my father's insurance fraud would be found out.
• 20:13
  Tom Snow: He'd lose the whole payout, he'd lose the money he had given me, which would really bother him since he's a Jew.
• 20:21
  Tom Snow: And then I was hoping, beyond hope, he'd go to jail.
• 20:27
  Tom Snow: So that was how much pain I'm living in, how much trauma I was in, how much he put me in, you know.
• 20:34
  Tom Snow: And I wanted payback.
• 20:37
  Tom Snow: At the end of eight months, couldn't get that motorcycle running good enough, always an angel with the sword touching it.
• 20:44
  Tom Snow: Break again, couldn't even make around the block sometimes, bust again.
• 20:49
  Tom Snow: I had to be replacing head gaskets every week.
• 20:52
  Tom Snow: And it's an old 49 Harley, what do you want?
• 20:55
  Tom Snow: But but um so one night I was sitting around at the end of this eight months with my biker buddy gang.
• 21:04
  Tom Snow: We were sitting around at night, late at night, drinking bottle after bottle of cheap wine, nothing unusual about that.
• 21:11
  Tom Snow: And I was a 16-year-old teenage alcoholic, suicidal teenage.
• 21:17
  Tom Snow: Uh and and I just was sitting there and we had discussions.
• 21:23
  Tom Snow: We always had discussions, but this night it became a spiritual discussion.
• 21:29
  Tom Snow: And I thought, you know what, I'm gonna tell them about Bruce, and they're gonna scoff.
• 21:33
  Tom Snow: And I'm glad because I'm gonna scoff right with them.
• 21:36
  Tom Snow: So I told them what happened to Bruce, and they didn't scoff.
• 21:39
  Tom Snow: And they actually listened, and I were like, okay, I'm thinking to myself, well, I'm gonna tell you what happened to me, and then you'll really scoff.
• 21:48
  Tom Snow: So I told them, I asked the Lord to come into my life, and nothing happened.
• 21:52
  Tom Snow: Bruce got the Star Spangled Banner and nothing happened, and they didn't scoff.
• 21:57
  Tom Snow: But in the moment that I said nothing happened, I knew that wasn't true.
• 22:04
  Tom Snow: God broke through from the innermost being, John 7, rivers of living water from our innermost being will come flowing out through our whole being.
• 22:17
  Tom Snow: And this he spoke of the Spirit, and the Spirit of God was breaking out, and all of a sudden, he was flushing through my soul, and I had all those feelings and that same love and presence of God that I'd felt the day he'd talked to me.
• 22:33
  Tom Snow: And the devil's lies were lies, he's the father of lies, and all of a sudden I was instantly sobered, like Bruce was.
• 22:43
  Tom Snow: And all of a sudden, I looked around and I'm like, what am I doing here with these guys?
• 22:49
  Tom Snow: So I said, I gotta leave.
• 22:51
  Tom Snow: And I drove home uh that night, and I wasn't drunk, so I didn't have to get pushed back and forth by the angels, and I my life changed, and all of a sudden I knew where I was going.
• 23:03
  Tom Snow: I knew what my mother knew, why she wasn't afraid of dying.
• 23:09
  Tom Snow: She was going home to be with the true living God, and now I knew what I wasn't, in spite of all my horrible things I was, he loved me.
• 23:17
  Tom Snow: And I just, my life changed.
• 23:20
  Tom Snow: This is 1970, and all of a sudden, I, from this scuzz ball biker guy that everybody in my high school was afraid of, now was looking at this person who became a Jesus freak, long-haired Jesus freak, and I'm just talking about the Lord and only living for the true and living God.
• 23:39
  Tom Snow: And they're like, What in the world?
• 23:41
  Tom Snow: But once again, I don't care.
• 23:43
  Tom Snow: And I'm just having the time of my life because now I know where I'm going.
• 23:48
  Tom Snow: I knew I was dying.
• 23:50
  Tom Snow: That was a given.
• 23:51
  Tom Snow: Now I know where I'm going.
• 23:53
  Tom Snow: I get to go home with Papa God.
• 23:56
  Tom Snow: And I he led me to a local little church, and I was eating up his word day in and day out, studying the word, you know, good teaching, early charismatic days, charismatic move, 1968 to 1977.
• 24:11
  Tom Snow: I was there from 7071 to 77, and seeing the power of God and and and witnessing things that only people that I talked to that came from the Pentecostal original, like Azusa Street, you know, they were there was an old couple that was in our church, and they said, This is the same.
• 24:30
  Tom Snow: This is what we saw.
• 24:32
  Tom Snow: The move of God.
• 24:33
  Tom Snow: And it was amazing, mind-blowing, crazy beautiful.
• 24:38
  Tom Snow: We would we joked that we went to church six days a week and twice on Sunday, and it was pretty much true.
• 24:45
  Tom Snow: Sure, there were two services on Sunday and a midweek service.
• 24:48
  Tom Snow: There were home groups just like Axe, meeting in homes around the city.
• 24:54
  Tom Snow: We couldn't get enough.
• 24:55
  Tom Snow: We would go anywhere and we would worship for hours and think you were there for minutes.
• 25:01
  Tom Snow: The flow of God was so massive and amazing.
• 25:04
  Tom Snow: What we think today, even with the best worship services today, and we have our song leaders and we have our worship and we build up with some praise and get into worship, and then we think we've hit the pinnacle.
• 25:17
  Tom Snow: That's like this much out of this much.
• 25:21
  Chaplain Terry: Yes.
• 25:22
  Tom Snow: And we get set, we saddle, we'll settle for this because we think that's good or good enough.
• 25:28
  Tom Snow: In that day, we had no song leaders, we had no worship teams.
• 25:34
  Tom Snow: We had the Spirit of God flowing from one side to the other.
• 25:38
  Tom Snow: It would, song would break out here, it would break out there, it would flow in waves.
• 25:43
  Tom Snow: So amazing.
• 25:44
  Tom Snow: Uh, the preacher hardly ever got to, the pastor ever hardly ever got to preach because he was always prepared, but he loved the Lord too much, and he'd stand up and go, Does anybody have the word of the Lord today?
• 25:56
  Tom Snow: Meaning, right then in that moment, the fresh word, not something you prepared.
• 26:00
  Tom Snow: And there was always two or three.
• 26:02
  Tom Snow: What do you know?
• 26:03
  Tom Snow: Just like Corinthians, there were two or three that would have the word that day.
• 26:07
  Tom Snow: We had everything.
• 26:08
  Tom Snow: We, you know, the gifts were all flowing, it was amazing.
• 26:12
  Tom Snow: And it was nothing to see people healed all the time.
• 26:17
  Tom Snow: Like we had five-year-olds praying for adults, watching fall out and be totally healed.
• 26:22
  Tom Snow: Like the power of God has nothing to do with us humans.
• 26:26
  Tom Snow: We just have to get out of God's way.
• 26:29
  Tom Snow: If we got out of his way and quit putting constraints on him, and we would do that.
• 26:38
  Chaplain Terry: Our actions and our words and saying something we're doing, so we we quench despair.
• 26:45
  Tom Snow: We do all the time.
• 26:46
  Chaplain Terry: Speaking of the church services, I I I attended a church back in the 70s in the character.
• 26:52
  Chaplain Terry: We sat on the floor on the carpet.
• 26:55
  Chaplain Terry: Our communion was one big loaf of bread and one big cup of wine.
• 26:59
  Chaplain Terry: And they passed it around.
• 27:03
  Chaplain Terry: I mean, it was the the spirit of the Lord would come in and we'd be slain in the spirit.
• 27:08
  Chaplain Terry: Just okay, it was neat.
• 27:10
  Chaplain Terry: It was really, really neat.
• 27:12
  Chaplain Terry: And I'd like to see that come back.
• 27:15
  Tom Snow: We're gonna he he wants to do the next great move of God.
• 27:19
  Tom Snow: Yeah.
• 27:19
  Tom Snow: I wrote about that in my first book.
• 27:21
  Tom Snow: It's called You know The Daily Stand, and the subtitle is a spiritual warfare manual for today and the next upcoming great move of God.
• 27:30
  Tom Snow: God does want his next upcoming move.
• 27:33
  Tom Snow: It is on it's on the horizon, but he's kind of waiting to get his church put in order.
• 27:42
  Tom Snow: You know, we've had a little taste.
• 27:44
  Tom Snow: We had Asbury College, Texas AM, OSU, where God broke out and there was like these things, and people were there for weeks, you know, with the presence of God and the Spirit of God.
• 27:57
  Tom Snow: Once again, what we're used to in our churches is this much.
• 28:01
  Tom Snow: What they got was this much, but God wants to take us a whole lot more.
• 28:08
  Chaplain Terry: We're too influenced by the world and media and and outside forces, and so we squirt we squelched the Spirit of God again.
• 28:17
  Tom Snow: We do, and then my second book, Set the Captives Free, has a lot to do with all the false belief systems and the the disunity that is in the churches that the devil's gotten away with and won over and over again.
• 28:34
  Tom Snow: I'll get to that later, but you know that's that's our trouble.
• 28:38
  Tom Snow: And until we learn to get out of the way, and leaders have to be undergirders.
• 28:43
  Tom Snow: They have all leaders have some leaders, many leaders have a position of power and they want to be over the church, and we're and the church peons, us believers are at the bottom.
• 28:55
  Tom Snow: It's totally inverted and wrong.
• 28:58
  Tom Snow: I'll get to that later.
• 28:59
  Tom Snow: But the power of God is Jesus said, I came to serve, not to be served.
• 29:06
  Tom Snow: He says, The least, the greatest of you will be the least, the least will be the greatest.
• 29:11
  Tom Snow: That's not how a lot of leaders do, and that's why a lot of churches are under false belief systems, under demons over nations.
• 29:22
  Tom Snow: We'll get to that later.
• 29:26
  Chaplain Terry: The Christian social link.
• 29:28
  Tom Snow: Yeah.
• 29:29
  Chaplain Terry: So we're speaking of your books, and uh we're about to wind down on time here.
• 29:35
  Chaplain Terry: Speaking of your books, where are they available?
• 29:37
  Chaplain Terry: And just I I went to Tom Snow at Amazon.
• 29:41
  Chaplain Terry: And where are some other places that we can find your books?
• 29:45
  Tom Snow: Well, you can find them on every major platform.
• 29:48
  Tom Snow: Uh Amazon's the easiest.
• 29:50
  Tom Snow: You can look for um there's more than one author named Tom Snow.
• 29:56
  Tom Snow: I've only written two books, so uh I found that out after I put my Books out there, but there's the daily, you know, in your show notes.
• 30:04
  Tom Snow: Uh, you know, I'll I'll give you links where you can go out to Amazon and find the daily stand and set the captives free.
• 30:11
  Tom Snow: Um, I'll give you my website, just to be clear.com.
• 30:17
  Tom Snow: It's the number two in there.
• 30:18
  Tom Snow: I can give you my Substack, which is just to be clear number one.
• 30:24
  Tom Snow: Substack.com, which talks about my posts and podcasts if people want to follow that.
• 30:31
  Tom Snow: I can give you my Facebook and Instagram, that's about as far as I go in social media.
• 30:38
  Tom Snow: But you know, the the thing that, and in case anybody wants to know, uh I didn't die.
• 30:47
  Tom Snow: Since I'm here 55 years later, it might become obvious to people.
• 30:53
  Tom Snow: Uh and just to finish that story, one night when I was riding home on my motorcycle after having one of these meetings, we used to have them all the time.
• 31:03
  Tom Snow: We've seen people healed, but I never felt like I was to run up to the altar to go ask to be healed.
• 31:09
  Tom Snow: And I don't like to do things except what the what God says to do, what the Spirit is saying.
• 31:14
  Tom Snow: I don't want to run to the altar.
• 31:16
  Tom Snow: Now, if I stub my toe, I'm here at home, I say, Lord, please heal it.
• 31:20
  Tom Snow: I'm not a masochist, but I was happy because to live is Christ, to die is gain.
• 31:27
  Tom Snow: I was getting ready to go be home with Papa God.
• 31:29
  Tom Snow: His presence was so enormous in the charismatic move.
• 31:32
  Tom Snow: And so I was riding home one night and on my motorcycle, and the Lord, we you know, you learn to hear the still, small, quiet voice.
• 31:41
  Tom Snow: And I studied eating the word like like you would be at a buffet and you can't stop eating.
• 31:46
  Tom Snow: And so I was riding home on motorcycle, and the Lord said to me, He says, Do you see in Isaiah where I said, by his stripes you are healed?
• 31:58
  Tom Snow: And I said, Uh-huh.
• 32:00
  Tom Snow: And he says, Do you see in First Peter where I said, by his wounds you were healed?
• 32:08
  Tom Snow: I went, uh-huh.
• 32:09
  Tom Snow: And the light bulbs clicking on.
• 32:11
  Tom Snow: Our current future were past.
• 32:14
  Tom Snow: He said, Isaiah was looking forward to the cross.
• 32:19
  Tom Snow: Peter was looking back to the cross.
• 32:22
  Tom Snow: I completed everything at the cross.
• 32:26
  Tom Snow: He said, Would you like that healing?
• 32:28
  Tom Snow: I'm kind of ready to go.
• 32:30
  Tom Snow: He'll be home with Papa God.
• 32:31
  Tom Snow: So I really don't care.
• 32:33
  Tom Snow: So I was really nonchalant.
• 32:34
  Tom Snow: I just like, eh, sure, whatever.
• 32:37
  Tom Snow: And in that moment, I felt a change.
• 32:40
  Tom Snow: But within 24 hours, the rock hard tumor that had started the size of a walnut, now growing larger than a football, hard as a rock, filling my abdomen, melted, dissipated, and was gone within 24 hours.
• 33:02
  Chaplain Terry: That's a loving God, I tell you.
• 33:05
  Tom Snow: Absolutely.
• 33:06
  Chaplain Terry: The Lord had me on healings and stuff, walk around to the back of the cross and look at the stripes and the wound.
• 33:13
  Chaplain Terry: And that was an eye-opener for me.
• 33:17
  Chaplain Terry: Well, if you had anything to leave with us that you uh uh we don't have time to go through everything, but any other winding down thoughts that you'd like to leave us with today?
• 33:29
  Tom Snow: Yeah.
• 33:30
  Tom Snow: That walking with the true and living God is the best thing you can do, it is the most fulfilling part of your life.
• 33:38
  Tom Snow: I've owned my software company for 45 years and ran it.
• 33:42
  Tom Snow: That is fulfilling, but not that fulfilling.
• 33:45
  Tom Snow: It's a job.
• 33:46
  Tom Snow: I have an ex-wife and four kids.
• 33:50
  Tom Snow: I have a new wife and a 12-year-old daughter.
• 33:54
  Tom Snow: Family is wonderful.
• 33:56
  Tom Snow: Love my family.
• 33:57
  Tom Snow: Okay, but that's not the same.
• 34:00
  Tom Snow: The deepest fulfillment you'll ever have in your life is to walk with the true and living God.
• 34:06
  Tom Snow: And that we can have every day, every moment of every day.
• 34:10
  Tom Snow: But it will take learning how to yield.
• 34:13
  Tom Snow: And the first book will teach you that you know, you think spiritual warfare, it's it's not a the whole book is not about how we just do that.
• 34:24
  Tom Snow: That's that's like things we do.
• 34:27
  Tom Snow: It's the whole book is to teach us how to walk with the true and living God and walk in the anointing and let that life flow through us.
• 34:34
  Tom Snow: And if we do, then we'll do as Jesus did.
• 34:37
  Tom Snow: We don't have to go around and look for ministry.
• 34:40
  Tom Snow: He walked around and he said, I only do what the I see the Father doing.
• 34:45
  Tom Snow: I only say what I hear the Father saying.
• 34:48
  Tom Snow: He didn't go looking for ministry.
• 34:50
  Tom Snow: I hear all these people, you know, your ministry and this ministry.
• 34:54
  Tom Snow: I don't have a ministry.
• 34:56
  Tom Snow: I just want to walk with the true and living God.
• 34:58
  Tom Snow: I want his life to flow through.
• 35:00
  Tom Snow: If that, you know, while Jesus walking around, did he happen to uh heal a lot of people?
• 35:06
  Tom Snow: Yeah.
• 35:07
  Tom Snow: Did he happen to cast out a lot of demons?
• 35:09
  Tom Snow: Yeah.
• 35:09
  Tom Snow: Did he teach?
• 35:10
  Tom Snow: Yes.
• 35:11
  Tom Snow: Was he speaking the anointing of the truth of God?
• 35:15
  Tom Snow: Yes.
• 35:15
  Tom Snow: But he didn't try to be in ministry.
• 35:17
  Tom Snow: He was not calling himself a name.
• 35:19
  Tom Snow: He wasn't an apostle, he didn't call himself a prophet, he didn't call himself a teacher.
• 35:23
  Tom Snow: People called him rabbi, Jewish word meaning teacher.
• 35:26
  Tom Snow: He simply walked with the true living God.
• 35:29
  Tom Snow: You and I all can have that.
• 35:32
  Tom Snow: And the beauty of that is he doesn't want a religious person in us.
• 35:38
  Tom Snow: He doesn't want fake spiritual.
• 35:39
  Tom Snow: When we become real, let the Spirit of God flow.
• 35:42
  Tom Snow: We don't have to be perfect, He has to be perfect in us.
• 35:46
  Tom Snow: So you have that opportunity.
• 35:50
  Tom Snow: Will you have trials and hard times?
• 35:52
  Tom Snow: Will you feel like you went to hell and back?
• 35:55
  Tom Snow: Yep, sure will.
• 35:56
  Tom Snow: So what?
• 35:58
  Tom Snow: So what?
• 36:00
  Tom Snow: Walking with the true and living God is worth every moment.
• 36:06
  Chaplain Terry: I guess probably the biggest obstacle I ever had was keeping my mouth shut and learning what the Bible Jesus said instead of what I say.
• 36:15
  Chaplain Terry: And we go around saying what we want.
• 36:18
  Chaplain Terry: The Bible says you can have what you say.
• 36:20
  Chaplain Terry: We go around saying what we have.
• 36:22
  Chaplain Terry: And that's that has been a problem.
• 36:25
  Chaplain Terry: Once I learned to keep my mouth shut, get into the word and ask myself what does the word say?
• 36:30
  Chaplain Terry: What does the word say?
• 36:32
  Chaplain Terry: Then he got he was able to form me into his image and likeness.
• 36:36
  Chaplain Terry: Am I there?
• 36:37
  Chaplain Terry: Gosh, no.
• 36:38
  Chaplain Terry: But I'm getting there.
• 36:40
  Chaplain Terry: And when he comes back, uh I will be ready because he will have made me ready uh forming me.
• 36:46
  Chaplain Terry: Well, I've enjoyed this today.
• 36:48
  Chaplain Terry: I really I really have enjoyed it, and I appreciate you coming on the show.
• 36:53
  Chaplain Terry: Uh I guess I about wind up.
• 36:57
  Chaplain Terry: Let me just you want to close it out with a prayer?
• 37:00
  Tom Snow: Sure.
• 37:01
  Chaplain Terry: Okay.
• 37:02
  Tom Snow: Papa God, we love you.
• 37:04
  Tom Snow: We appreciate you.
• 37:06
  Tom Snow: Your word is true.
• 37:09
  Tom Snow: Your word is true above every man and everything.
• 37:13
  Tom Snow: Let your word go forth.
• 37:16
  Tom Snow: Use your word to reach and touch individuals watching this this day.
• 37:22
  Tom Snow: And may they hear your call, believer or non-believer, to yield to you into a greater yielding, and just allow you to flow.
• 37:38
  Tom Snow: And we ask, Holy Spirit, that you do flow and that you reach each of us where our needs are, but not just so we get healed, that's minor, so that we can walk with the true and living God.
• 37:50
  Tom Snow: And we ask this, and we agree in Christ.
• 37:55
  Chaplain Terry: In Jesus' name, I agree.
• 37:57
  Chaplain Terry: Amen.
• 37:58
  Chaplain Terry: Thank you.