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Patriots Unfiltered 12/27: Bengals Leftover Takeaways, AFC Playoff Scenarios, Can the Offense Build on Second-Half Success? · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: he's complimenting me, but you know what he's really doing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that personally. I did not see any
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  Speaker 1: limping today, but I will say this and the guy
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  Speaker 1: that replaced you at Plus, I'm sorry yet that again, Lazar,
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't want any of Lazar Colin. Colin
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  Speaker 1: is a scary place. He had like some sort of
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  Speaker 1: you know, people are like, what a bunch of pussies. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we could say that back then. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you could say that, Fireman. I've maintained that one game
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  Speaker 1: lead for like three weeks in a row. That's because
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  Speaker 1: Mike picks everything you pay. I go. First friend is
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  Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, in a real Tuesday here at Gillette Stadium,
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  Speaker 1: and it's deuce. It's me. Paul will be here eventually. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: he found a camera, so he's delayed. Evan will be
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  Speaker 1: here for the second hour. So big show here Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: Matt's in the booth making it all happen. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: we thought that the Patriots had found, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: heartwrenching way to lose the game in Vegas, and they
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  Speaker 1: certainly did. But they found another way to do it
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday. Ye fumble on Saturday, I should say a
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  Speaker 1: little more conventional method. It wasn't everyone to their minds
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  Speaker 1: start trying to lateral it. But he was involved in
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  Speaker 1: both of those endings. I know, well, I mean, and
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  Speaker 1: they're not gonna Coaches aren't giving them any flak for it,
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  Speaker 1: and he's trying to fight for extra yards. They're okay
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  Speaker 1: with it. So at this point, what can you really do?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's been everything for you. It's right now
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  Speaker 1: hard to be mad at him, but still I do
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  Speaker 1: think he started the lateral party out of nowhere, went
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  Speaker 1: rogue against the Raiders, and then yeah, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just the game is in your hands. You got you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody I think thought, she's the Patriots are
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  Speaker 1: somehow going to escape with a win after looking as
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  Speaker 1: bad as they ever have them. And they were, they were,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they were in perfect situation. Yeah, the clock
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  Speaker 1: was on their side, they had three timeouts, they're they're
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  Speaker 1: on the five yard line. They're gonna get you know,
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  Speaker 1: we think, you know, four cracks at it to win
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  Speaker 1: the game, to win the game, and they could tell.
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  Speaker 1: They were just I mean, they're selling their own heads
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  Speaker 1: in the red zone regardless. But it was just run it,
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  Speaker 1: run it, run it again. They just kept running. I
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  Speaker 1: know some people thought that was too much. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, Romanda Shriven Stevens should be
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  Speaker 1: able to carry the ball four times without fumbling it.
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  Speaker 1: But another frustrating ending to a team. And I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if the offense wasn't this bad, which I
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  Speaker 1: think is clearly the headline of the whole season, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you might be talking about a team that just can't
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  Speaker 1: quite get over the hump in close games because I
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  Speaker 1: think that's been conventionally looking at the team, that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: been something they've kind of taken turns being bad at. Defensively,
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  Speaker 1: you know, conserraders, they couldn't get a last stop, and offensively,
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  Speaker 1: you got a chance to make the last play, couldn't
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  Speaker 1: do that either. So I don't think we'll ever get
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  Speaker 1: to that point to really discuss that as a legitimate
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  Speaker 1: characteristic of the twenty twenty two Patriots because of how
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  Speaker 1: bad they are on offense and how you know, inept
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  Speaker 1: it's been the whole season, but there is a touch
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  Speaker 1: of that of a team that just, you know, had
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  Speaker 1: they had a little bit more clutch, they probably have
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  Speaker 1: a couple more wins here. You know, even despite as
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  Speaker 1: bad as they look. I mean, it's it's crazy to say,
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  Speaker 1: but it's true, despite as bad as they look, and
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  Speaker 1: in the loss, they still have a path to the
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  Speaker 1: players win. I mean, they don't even have to win both.
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  Speaker 1: They can win both. That's the I can't believe. The
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  Speaker 1: amazing part is that. I mean, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: amazing that they have a path. I mean, the Raiders,
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  Speaker 1: the six and nine they have a path too. But
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots just have to win games, right right, That's
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  Speaker 1: that's the amazing part. Yeah, they haven't beaten those two
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  Speaker 1: teams in a while. Yeah, two wins in they're in
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  Speaker 1: um or a win and other things happening in they're
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  Speaker 1: in um So it's you gotta win this one in
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  Speaker 1: this one, playing a meaningful, meaningful game this coming up,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to get into Miami probably a lot tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: But you know two is on concussion protocol. Um So,
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  Speaker 1: like Paul says, I don't do I really need to
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  Speaker 1: say it? Did You don't really expect him to play?
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  Speaker 1: Did you? They never beat him? Oh why would he play? Right?
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  Speaker 1: So it always the Patriots, right, Yeah, I guess so.
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  Speaker 1: I caught the tail end of your conversation, and I
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  Speaker 1: would just say, like the clutch thing. We just talked
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  Speaker 1: about this in All Access too, Like, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: frustrating to see them continuously shoot themselves in the foot
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  Speaker 1: with the game on the line. And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a problem obviously. I mean, but I think that if
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  Speaker 1: they could find a way to play, but they shoot
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  Speaker 1: themselves in the foot throughout the game, well this is
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is there's a pattern that's developed, and
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  Speaker 1: it started last year. It started after the bye last
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  Speaker 1: year in Indie. It's like against a good opponent, fall
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  Speaker 1: away behind, you know, do a couple of things, well,
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  Speaker 1: find a way so like the next twenty minutes, if
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  Speaker 1: we absolutely do nothing wrong, we'll have a chance to win.
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  Speaker 1: And then that happens, and then at the very end,
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  Speaker 1: you're not able to make the last play that gives
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  Speaker 1: you a chance to win. Right, I think is grossly
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  Speaker 1: overlooking the problem. The problem is they get grossly outplayed
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  Speaker 1: in most of these games against better competition. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why you're in a situation where I need the other
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  Speaker 1: team to give me a pick six. I need to
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  Speaker 1: get a forty eight yard hill Mary touchdown. I need
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  Speaker 1: to have the other team fumble when they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: run the clock out, and then I need to go
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  Speaker 1: in and score at the end. And I just couldn't
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  Speaker 1: score at the end, you know, and everybody's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: Romondre Stevenson fumbled out was forward progress up? You know? Right,
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  Speaker 1: That's why I'm not even upset up. But the problem
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  Speaker 1: is not the problem is you know, allowing four hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty yards of offense and really not even getting
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  Speaker 1: in their way for thirty eight minutes. Then you played
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  Speaker 1: ridiculously well down the stretch. Like, I give the defense
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  Speaker 1: a lot of credit for picking itself up off the mat,
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  Speaker 1: but it would have been nice if they were competitive
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the game. It would have been nice if
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  Speaker 1: the offense had been competitive at it really any point
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  Speaker 1: all year. Yeah, you know, like the offense remains the
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  Speaker 1: number one issue. But like I just think to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's again, they should have won because they ended the
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  Speaker 1: game on the five yard line and fumbled. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's again. They could have stolen. But because you played
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  Speaker 1: so poorly for the vast majority of the game that
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  Speaker 1: one fumble cost you the game. Think about think about
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  Speaker 1: it from another team's perspective, the Vikings game when they
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  Speaker 1: came back from thirty three. What if, like they that
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  Speaker 1: come back had fallen short. There's no way you could say, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's a game the Viking should have won. No, of course,
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  Speaker 1: not course not Like like if Matt Ryan gets the
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  Speaker 1: if not not to go all forward progress on you,
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  Speaker 1: but if Matt Ryan was given forward progress on his
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  Speaker 1: quarterback sneak right, you lose and no one's saying that's
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  Speaker 1: a game the Vikings should have won, right, right, right,
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  Speaker 1: you put yourself in a hole. And then when you
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  Speaker 1: just think of like the litany of errors by the Bengals,
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  Speaker 1: now some of these were caused by the Patriots. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you have three turnovers, including a pick six, You missed
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  Speaker 1: two extra points and a field goal. You dropped two
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  Speaker 1: potential touchdowns and allowed to forty eight yard hill mary
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  Speaker 1: on third and twenty nine and one right and one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like individually those players would cost a team a game. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like the record for a team while recording a defensive
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  Speaker 1: touchdown is like over seventy five winning percentage. Patriots are
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  Speaker 1: one and two the last three weeks while scoring a
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  Speaker 1: defensive touchdown. Like the defense is doing its job, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean they're not playing great defense, but they're making
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  Speaker 1: big plays to score points. Right, that's huge, and they
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  Speaker 1: can't win finding ways to keep the game right competitive? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just think there's a big difference between almost could
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  Speaker 1: have stolen it and should have won. There's a big gap.
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  Speaker 1: They should have beaten the Raiders. I mean, you have
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  Speaker 1: a seven point lead with less than two minutes left,
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  Speaker 1: close it out and you couldn't. You couldn't close up.
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  Speaker 1: That's a game you should have won. Yeah, so we're
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  Speaker 1: left with, you know, the same problems we've had all year.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I said it on the post game show.
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  Speaker 1: I've said it before. We are not watching and witnessing
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  Speaker 1: a normal NFL passing offense. We're not. It's a it's
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  Speaker 1: as bad as it's it's dysfunctional, it really is. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: at least with Can, it was very clear what the
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  Speaker 1: problem was. He just couldn't get it, couldn't throw physically,
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  Speaker 1: he just wasn't there anymore. Here. The problems are from
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  Speaker 1: the top down. You know. It's it's unbelievable what we're seeing. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And you know you can say, what were your offensive line? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know they they're they're thin depth wise, um. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, Cole Strange isn't as good as we thought
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  Speaker 1: he would be is his rookie year and blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: But it's it hasn't been a total disaster on the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line. This is coaching, And I think coaching is
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  Speaker 1: a B and C and then talent is D and
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  Speaker 1: mac talent and mac is is the other part of it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I know, well, I bet it's it's I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the general point. I just I totally agree with. I
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  Speaker 1: just I find it hard. You know, I have my
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  Speaker 1: issues with all kinds of pieces on this offense right now,
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  Speaker 1: and and you know, to start with Mac. But I
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  Speaker 1: just I have trouble, just like I have trouble getting
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  Speaker 1: past the offense to talk about anything else on the team,
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  Speaker 1: I have trouble getting past the design of the offense.
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  Speaker 1: The you know, how this has all come together. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Paul and I were even talking on the I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it was on the show yesterday or off it,
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  Speaker 1: but it was just like one week, yeah, one guy
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  Speaker 1: kind of step up, has kind of a good game.
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  Speaker 1: Then he disappeared for four weeks. Then you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just an constant rotation. And I don't know who the
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  Speaker 1: first all twenty two analysts was that caught onto this.
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  Speaker 1: I know Evan was early talking about spacing how it's
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  Speaker 1: just terrible. But it came to fruition in this game,
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  Speaker 1: to Donnas, Smith and Hunter Henry running into each other.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, and and now I've seen Giardi
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  Speaker 1: and I think Alafsky and a bunch of others talking
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  Speaker 1: about Kurt wanted talking about spacing and layers and all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff. And you know, now everyone's talking about it
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  Speaker 1: with the Patriots, but you know, like guys like Evan,
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  Speaker 1: we're on this weeks ago, like the spacing is just wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Is anybody gonna wonder why they keep running those routes
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  Speaker 1: like that or they just going to continue to blame
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  Speaker 1: it on the coaches because I'm sure that they designed
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  Speaker 1: it to have two tight ends running across the field
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  Speaker 1: and smashing into each other. But but but here's the thing, Paul,
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  Speaker 1: You're right, obviously they're not executing but preparation, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what's happening in practice? Like are these things not happening
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  Speaker 1: in practice and they're just rearing their head during the game?
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  Speaker 1: Hard to believe. Hard to believe. So these things must
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  Speaker 1: be happening in practice, I assume, and somehow they're not
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  Speaker 1: getting corrected there it's carrying over into the game. If
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  Speaker 1: it's not, that would be like the first time ever,
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  Speaker 1: like these things just happened in the game, you know, Like,
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  Speaker 1: so what is going on in practice? And that was
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  Speaker 1: it was a point I brought up in the postgame
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  Speaker 1: show of you know, the I mean, whatever they went
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  Speaker 1: over six on third down I think to start the game.
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  Speaker 1: But they were all like third and four, third and six.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, these are manageable. It's not like, man, they're
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  Speaker 1: getting nothing on first down. It's third and eleventh, thir
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  Speaker 1: they're manageable distances. You get to the first third and
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  Speaker 1: four of the game, and that I think was one
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  Speaker 1: of the ones that Dan Orlovski was again that you know,
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  Speaker 1: so this is this is it. I mean, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: hit a third and four. You got to have a
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  Speaker 1: play you love at third and four, first, first, third
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  Speaker 1: down in the game. Like in situations third and four,
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  Speaker 1: you get your you got them injured. Um, you know
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  Speaker 1: the other play just I mean, I mean we can
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  Speaker 1: rattle them off. The other one where that's going around
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  Speaker 1: where Mac clearly pre snap tries to make a call
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  Speaker 1: for a wide receiver screen. Jacoby doesn't get the signal.
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  Speaker 1: The other two guys do. They kind of the wide
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  Speaker 1: receivers kind of start to block. Mac looks, Jacoby just
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  Speaker 1: starts running a route. Matt looks at him. Play is dead.
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  Speaker 1: I mean Mac looks back, He's got nothing. Um, it's
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  Speaker 1: just continues to happen like that miscommunication people him out
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  Speaker 1: on the same page. So like, I know it's it's
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  Speaker 1: now we're in week sixteen, but like that must be
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  Speaker 1: you know, like we gotta fix that, Like we should
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  Speaker 1: have fixed that a long time ago. You know that
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  Speaker 1: that pre snap communication. I'm mac Jones. How how do
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  Speaker 1: I make sure that everybody got my signal? Everybody is
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  Speaker 1: on the same page. You know, maybe we need to
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  Speaker 1: be a little bit more um intentional about that than
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  Speaker 1: other teams. Fine, whatever it takes to make it happen,
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  Speaker 1: you've got to make it all the time. And some
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  Speaker 1: of it happens in signals that I got it, you
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  Speaker 1: know up to the head that that thing. Some of
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  Speaker 1: it just happens. I mean it happened to the Bengals,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Bengals. The pick six was a miscommunication
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  Speaker 1: between Borrow and Chase. I mean, like he obviously didn't
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  Speaker 1: get the signal. Borrow threw hot and Chase was running
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  Speaker 1: down the field. But the things about the you know,
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  Speaker 1: like it's one of those arguments that people used to make,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Brett Farve thing, like are you making
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  Speaker 1: any place? Like I've heard a lot of people like
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  Speaker 1: really praising the Patriots offense because they've really cut back
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  Speaker 1: on the turnovers lately, and they have, Like the turnos
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  Speaker 1: were a huge problem the first six, seven, eight weeks
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  Speaker 1: of the season and largely they've disappeared, but the production
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  Speaker 1: hasn't changed. They haven't made any plays. So, like, what
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  Speaker 1: would you rather be Like the Bengals who turned it
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  Speaker 1: over three times on Sunday but had four hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty yards of offense and we're moving it all over
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  Speaker 1: the place. Or the Patriots who couldn't get out of
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  Speaker 1: their own way and as Mike says, couldn't convert a
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  Speaker 1: third and four. Right, if you if you never crossed
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  Speaker 1: the street, you don't have to look both right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like if you play really conservatively, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: won't turn the ball over, but you're not gonna be great.
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  Speaker 1: You're not gonna make plays well. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: they they moved it down field a little bit, but
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  Speaker 1: they just can't do it and be productive doing it. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's we're in a pickle here. But you
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  Speaker 1: know that's what I think. You know, I think I'll
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  Speaker 1: you know, spoiler alert. I think they're gonna win this game.
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  Speaker 1: They are now too, But I just I don't really know,
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  Speaker 1: like it's not going to really change anything, I feel,
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  Speaker 1: because you got a team that's completely spiraling and they're
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna be without their quarterback. I mean, they lost
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  Speaker 1: four games in a row with tour your I'm just
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  Speaker 1: laughing about it. I mean, I just I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: I really came to like watching football over the last
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  Speaker 1: twenty years like this. I've never watched offensive football this bad. Grant,
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  Speaker 1: it's a small sample size. I've only really watched Tom Brady,
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  Speaker 1: Cam Newton in one season Mac Jones, but this is
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  Speaker 1: just so bad. And to think that they could make
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, what it really is is it's really an
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: indictment on the greediness of the league. Like this is
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: what you you needed to add a wildcard team so
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: you could have, you know, six and nine teams that
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  Speaker 1: have really as good as shot as anybody of making
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs. I mean, they don't, they don't need anything
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  Speaker 1: out of you. I Mean, the toughest thing for the
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Raiders to have happened is for them to win their games.
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  Speaker 1: Like the teams that they need to lose are playing
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  Speaker 1: teams that are better than them, and they need them
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  Speaker 1: to lose, you know, like that should you should be
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  Speaker 1: in playoff contention at seven and eight and eight, and
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  Speaker 1: you know in six and nine and the stage of
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  Speaker 1: the state, and these are teams. Miami's on a four
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  Speaker 1: game losing straight area. I know you are because the
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Patriots are one of the teams. It's alive. But it's
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: bad football. But it's bad there also there also might
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  Speaker 1: be a season where those teams are five hundred this
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  Speaker 1: particular season. You know, there's a lot of but I
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: don't want five hundred teams in the playoffs. That's my point.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I'm fine, I'm nine and eight, eight and nine, not
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: a playoffs. I don't care. Go away. I don't care
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: about that. You know, Like what if you, you know,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: were like the Giants that year in oh seven where
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: you came on late, or at least they were nine
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: and seven. I know, but like that could happen too,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: you know, like you just happen to have a slow start,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: you come on late. I'm good with the extra team.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: More football is great. I don't care. I'm not married.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: If it's not more football, it's bad football, all right,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: We'll see it. But it's been adding games. You're just
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: adding a team. But that's the league. This year. It's
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: not just because of the playoffs. Like every team this year,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: this year, this season, yes, this season, right, So like
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the few nine amount of bad teams I would rather
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: watch in the playoffs, like I do think Philadelphia is
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: pretty good. I think San Francisco is pretty good. Kansas City, Buffalo,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: like obviously I watched playoff games with those teams. I'll
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: really be looking forward to the divisional round when those
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: teams I assume take care of business in the wildcard
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: round and those teams are playing like that Buffalo Kansas
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: City game last year was riveting. I'll watch that seven
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: verse two. But you know, Chargers against the Bengals, that
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: could be a good game. That's tough. Anyway, I don't
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: want to talk about you know, Well, let's focus on
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. Yeah, although we must say that Nate Hackett
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: got fired along with him now along with your offensive coordina. Well, yeah,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: he did wonders over there with Russell Wilson did pretty
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: good in Green Bay. And I actually I wasn't surprised
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: at him or was it Aaron Rodgers. I wouldn't be, well,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: he's not doing so well this year without him, Um,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: what I wouldn't be surprised if he did go back
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: to green Bay into that like McDaniel's thing, like he
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: gets fired in a couple of games, left green Bay
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: still fighting for a class. Speaking of terrible teams still
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: in the playoff for a race six and eight, seven
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: and eight. I mean, I'm glad we're away. I'm glad
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: we're gonna reshoot that thing. Relegation. They should relegate the
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: teams that are not over five hundred. Yes, you are eligible,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: but you didn't meet the criteria. I've owned the bathroom,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I said. I feel kind of bad in retrospect from
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: our TV show yesterday, I was kind of killing two
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: of for those interceptions against because like and I were
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: just talking about it too, and I'm like, all right,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: he was concussion. Like the Dolphins finished that game fumble,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: missfield goal, pick, pick, pick, like a game that they
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: were absolutely in total control of and they completely handed away.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Then you're like, well, you know, does this play that
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: happened went like two minutes left in the second quarter
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: and all the picks happened after that? Right? You know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: like you kind of just like you do you feel
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: because you watch these guys play and you just like,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: what did he do it right, and he's in concussion protocol,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: you know, second time, you know major, his career is
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: probably in jeopardy. Right. It's a hard such a hard thing,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: such a hard thing. He's playing so well, dude, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you feel bad because I I did the same thing
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: you did, Mike, I did the same thing. Would kill him,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: like especially the last like the last one he throws
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: into double coverage, like what are you thinking? Well, well,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: you see, Paul, he probably wasn't thinking clearly. His brain
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: hit his skull. Yeah, well, in retrospect, I didn't know.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't didn't either. Oh well, yeah, well we'll shoot
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: that today, will be will be thoughtful and measure a
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: little bit more respectful. Still gonna pick the Patriots to win.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I'm with Fred, I'm on the spoiler root. I'm picking
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. I would have picked him even if Tua
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: was playing. I was flirting with that. I was, well,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: we had it yesterday. We thought two was playing Estue
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: when we shot the TV show and yeah, spoiler alert
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: made made Patriot pick. Yeah, I mean, and he still
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: could play. McDaniel didn't rule him out, but Penna tomorrow,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, i'd feel differently about the game if
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: he did play, because now to your point, like now,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: at least there's a reason, Like I just thought he
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: like maybe he's lost it. You know who knows? Yeah?
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Three concussions in a year though, huh that's I mean, yeah,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's had three, like I think
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: he had one in the Buffalo can't to Cincinnati thing.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Like I think he had one and they didn't diagnose it.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? But I mean, I
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: think his career is in jeopardy. I do. I I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: don't know, Like how many of those hits you want
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to take? What do you do? I mean the team
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: is in such a hard position. I mean, health is everything,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: but there it is, and was Bronck maybe yeah, I'm
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: saying part owner quarterback? First time has ever been an
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: owner slash player in the NFL? Could he just fire guys?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Like in the locker room? What was his name? O?
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Heaven can wait? Warren Beatty? Wasn't it Edward Pendleton something
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: like that was his name? I don't remember. You know
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the movie. I know the movie, but he came back
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: into the I see the movie. Oh I never saw them, mind,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was a flop. I thought it was.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I remember the video box from our local video store
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: with like him standing in the cover, Warren beat Yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Warren Beatty in the raam's uniform. Yeah, all right, eight
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: five five he was the owner, Like he came back
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: into the owner's body and he decided to buy the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: team and he made himself the quarterback. Oh wow, I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: didn't I didn't see it. Yeah, I really didn't see it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I don't even know that story. It's a good premise.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Eight five five pass five hundred is the ace ticket.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Hut line web radio attress dot com is the email address.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: So yeah, poor ramandre Um Mac got fine? Yeah, oh
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: did he? Okay, so when did that happen? This morning?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: This morning there's eleven k so Mac had to play
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: on the return where he came from behind and then
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: cut down one of the defenders, and uh, Florio I
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: think was the first to come out and said, you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: he's probably gonna get fine for this, and he did.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: He's he got I mean, he got was killed yesterday.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: But I mean there were a lot of people he did.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, I thought he did get killed. I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: think I think that's I mean, every show and you
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: know Sterling Sharp talking about or Shannon Sharp sorry, you know,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: saying all he's gonna have to watch out that our
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: guy Dove cleman if he's a real person. UM put
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: out that video with like you know, the Mac Jones
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: play the Greatest Hits, which was funny because then somebody
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: uh tagged Andy saying, oh, Duce had a good rand
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: about Mac and I was like, well that was was
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: just when I was mad with it flopping. That was
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and when he was trying to put cleats and guys
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: balls and you know, cut guys out from under. The
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: funny thing too yesterday was Mac was on EI. Yeah,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and he was like, oh no, no, I wasn't. I
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't trying to do anything. There's no hard feelings. I'm like,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's for you to write if there's
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: no hard feelings. Mag like they might have hard feeling
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: because they felt like they tried to take out their knees. Um,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I don't need to reiterate it. Well, I think I
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: think he's got a problem, and in that he lashes out.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: He does, whether it's just physically or emotionally, he lashes out.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: And I think you know Saban talked about it, um
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that it was something that they had worked on even
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: in college. You know, he he lashes out. I mean
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: it was the the I mean, the stuff for me
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: was just like faking you he got a concussion or
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: going down extra hard, which I just thought was dangerous
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: because they're gonna pull you. But yeah, he's got to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: he's got to stop this stuff. I don't I mean,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know so much about the reprieve from other
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: defensive players. I mean, that's the last year with Brian
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Burns was like, you know, happy things saying that kind
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of stuff. Kind of a similar thing. But I just
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: wish you'd cool with this stuff. I wish you would
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: just get up and play the next play and stop
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: with all the histrionics and and overemotional reactions to I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: think they're related, but there are different things. I agree
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: with what you guys just said about I think that
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: part of this mentality is why he ends up doing
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: these things. But I think these things are different, and
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I you know, I always try to give guys the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. Like the dirty thing to me
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: is kind of a label that's hard to go past.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: It's like when someone calls you a racist. You know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: how do you defend yourself when someone calls you a racist? Um,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: don't be a racist? No, no, I know, but there's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: no like like I'm not racist. Oh yeah, I didn't
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: mean it too. Yeah, you definitely sound like you're not. Um.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: You know, when I saw the Brian Burns play, I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: didn't like it, but I didn't think to myself, I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: was trying to hurt him there and I and I don't.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: But when there's like four now all kind of in
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: similar patterns, and I think Fred's right when he says
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: how they come about. It's like when he gets to
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that state, he lashes out. He lashes out, and I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: think at that time he's thinking like Grayson Allen. I
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: think that's a perfect comparison for the former Duke basketball
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: player for the Bucks. Now, well, he was with the Bucks.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's still with the Bucks. I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: don't think he wants to like tear someone's ecl but
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: like he might run by and stick a foot out
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: and trip a guy on the court. He did it
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: all the time. And I don't think Mac was trying
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to hurt at Eli Apple, but he was frustrated as hell.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Ye and that was who was in front of him,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and that was the guy who was there. Now, the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: fact that he's coming from behind has nothing to do
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: with the dirtiness. You can't go low on a guy
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: who's trying to block. It's just like a defensive player
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: on a regular play, on a screen pass, they throw
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a screen pass out there, two linemen there, and here
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: comes the little safety. You can't dive at the guard
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: the guard's legs. That's a penalty. That's a cheap dirty play,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and that's I'm like, even if he was coming from
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the front side and Apple knew he was there, he
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: get bailed out a little bit because it doesn't really
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: make a lot of contact. Eli was athletic enough to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: sort of jump it and it was kind of a
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: nothing burger. Yeah, but I didn't see it turn the game.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I think he fell though, didn't he Apple? Yeah, but
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I think he started coming and he didn't get like
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: this knees taken out right like, and I said, like,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I just said, this is Steve Burton. I was like,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: you know, you played football. How did you feel when
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: guys went at your legs, went at your knees? And
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, it's a good point. That was like
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the cardinal sin, Like you never unnecessarily went into guy's knees.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: That was the only time in hockey. Different but playing
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: at bats in summer league going into college, can't wait
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: to start my college career. This kid went on my
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: knees like coming around the net, and I lost my mind,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I mean same, flashed out. I took my stick and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I too handed him, oh yeah, and went after him.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: He turtled. Never seen my dad so proud in his life.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: It was just like alright, Michael, and then we had
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to like get in the car. Then we had dropped
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: to Melrose for like another summer league hockey game, you know,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: but it's it's true. And there was one thing I
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: just want to clarify, Like he got called for a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: personal foul at the end of the game on the fumble. Yeah,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: same thing, but that didn't that wasn't related to this.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I think people, you know, like he after the game
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm just trying to get you know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the balls on the games on the line, I'm trying
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to get the fumble. Yeah, anything you did in a
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: fumble pile I don't put in the same category as this, right,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you know, I think he got called for like pulling
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: guys off the pile and stuff, right, you know, And yeah,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know, but like unless he grabbed
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: someone in the grapes or something, and that's what the
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: referee saw. But you're not allowed to pull guys. I mean, right,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: that's a penalty, and that's what And that was, by
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the way, a sneaky important penalty. Yeah right, and it
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: allows them to punt, and and there was a good
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: punt and it you know, it backed him up. I
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: would connect those. I mean, it's just I think it's
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: the same thing as Paul said. He's frustrated. Vermandri just
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: fumbled it. He's losing his mind. You know, I don't
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: know what exactly happens, Grace under pressure, Grace under pressure.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So I just think now there's enough. And you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: no one really talked about that slide against Chicago. I
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: said it to you, what had happened while I go.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: He absolutely tried to hit him in the nuts. He
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: did a slide and his foot was up, you know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: waist high, and the guy jumped over him for the
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Chicago like that was clearly an attempt to me to
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: get the guy in the nuts, well, or get the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: guy I don't know necessarily in the nuts was right
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the grape s Brady used to do the same thing. Hey, yeah,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: we getting food, he already ordered. I don't think so
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: what what'd you get me? Pot luck? Right, a surprise.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would have got garlic bre but that's okay.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, go ahead of that, right, go ahead,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: go ahead. No, I I like I said, I had
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: some fun with our old friend Jerry Thornton yesterday. Jerry
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: was doing Jerry chimed in on Twitter, is like, now
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: all these people that you know called Mac, you know,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: like a whiney little now that now he's the second
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: coming to Jack Tatum and I just aren't nice to
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: have you back. Jerrybody, I missed you. I don't think
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: people are looking at at it that way. Yeah, it's
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: not like that. This is not it's it's not like
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: this guy is out there like Vontez. Perfect is the
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: guy I think that he used. He's not trying to
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: maim people. It's cheap, chippy, little dirty stuff. It's Danny Ainge, Yes,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: it's Dan Perfect stuff perfect. I just said no, I
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: got no, I got no tolerance for all stuff. Mike.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Mike is way worse about this than you and I.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: We both we both were like, yeah, well that I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: was kind of it really bugs Mike. You should see
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Mike when these plays first happen, he gets really off.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And my hope is that this fine will be like, hey,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: cool it. You know, it's just it's not hard, Like
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you know, it's not hard
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: to I just there's so much about his demeanor in
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: these situations where maybe he just needs a little bit
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of success. I think that's probably like this whole season
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: is probably weighing on him too. Um, but it's a big,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: big thing for me, Like the offense I'm I'm upset about.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: But when we get to Mac, that's like the first
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: thing on my mind is just like your demeanor getting
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: past this stuff, like be an NFL quarterback, be a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: leader that these guys can look to calm under pressure,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: something bad happens. We know you're not going to lose
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: your mind and dive at somebody's legs, but hopefully, hopefully
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the fine maybe changes his attitude a little bit. Okay,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, like you said, success is the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: best thing, you know, like like I can't imagine the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: pressure he's under because every second of every day while
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: he's in this facility, he's got to be it's I
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: got to prove myself. I gotta prove myself as a leader,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: as a winner, as a quarterback, as this, as that,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: and it must be really tough, you know, like he's
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: on he hears the zappy chance he I'm sure people
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: tell him about what people are saying about a good point.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: You know, like every second of every day he's here,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: he's under you know, intense scrutiny, and even if it's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: not real, it's in his head, it's it is, you know. Yeah,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I just I think with Mac for me too, there's
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: just an element that he's trying so hard to be
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: everything to everyone. That's sorry, I just quoted an ever
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: ever sort something there, but you know, like it's just
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: like he immediately came in and it felt like he
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: had read you know, Bill Belichi's guy to dealing with
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the media, things to do and not to do, Like
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: he memorized that and we still get it now. He
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't really say anything. He gives you a word salad um,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's and it seems almost like it's
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: is it more energy expent making sure that you're doing
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: saying everything right? And can you just relax and can
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you get you know, I maybe this is more a
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: question for the coaching staff, like, well I just relax
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and play the game without having to worry about checking
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: every box. I think he was done, but I think
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: that he had more to give. And I'm talking about
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: chad Ocho Sinko. He was so bottled up when he
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: was here. He couldn't be himself and like, like I said,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think that he would, but I think he
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: could have been a little bit better if he was
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit more relaxed because like he would have
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: this bad play and he knows I'm not going to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: see the ball again, maybe for the rest of the day,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Whereas in Cincinnati you drop a pass, so I'm going
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: to get a pass. He was gonna get ten targets
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: every right, no matter what. And to Freddie's point, he
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: was the like the the poster child for that guy
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: that you could actually see thinking as he was running
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: his routes, Yeah, like am I doing this right? Am
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I cutting at the right spot? And saying right, it's
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a hard way, and he wasn't himself, you know, and
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: like you said, being that bottled up, it's hard to perform, Yeah,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, isn't it crazy just to tie
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: it to this whole offensive shift and we want to
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: be able to play faster? I mean has anything been
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: less true than that? Like, I mean, like playing fast
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: like you guys can't even get on the same page
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and run the right plays it much less all beat
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: together and go quickly with pace. It's just yeah, I'm
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: not sure. Yeah, it's there's a lot of dynamics to
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: this season, which you know, maybe we'll find out more
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: once the season's over, but it's it's it's a complicated season.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: The thing is just like frustrating this event for a
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: second too, is like you gotta come on Sunday Monday
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: morning and you got to hear Darren Orlovski again, go
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: on a whole video, you know, diagramming just how completely
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: dysfunction of the offense is. You got Kurt Warner posting
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a screenshot of like, guess who this team is, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: it's clearly the Patriots because what's at the top third
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and four, you know, like you can easily discern that.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: You know, then you've got the mac Jones videos going
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: around of him sticking his foot out and trying to
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: take people's knees out, like it just sucks, Like I
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: just like, I just hate this whole thing. That the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: way this season is gone and that these are the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: things that you're dealing with. Is listening to the rest
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: of the NFL basically just dunk on you that you
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: have a completely dysfunctional off and listen, I was wrong.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I thought Patricia could do the job. I was wrong
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: at least this season. He's not doing it well. But
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not taking any shots to you. Yeah,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna stick up for him when people
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: get it on the radio and call him this, you know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: fat buffoon and more, that's that's BS man, you know, Like, Okay,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: so he got put into a position where he wasn't
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: cut out for and he's not doing well. But man, like,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: you know, like he's not a moron, He's not a
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: you know, like the things that people are saying about
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: him are just completely ridiculous, and you know, I kind
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: of feel bad for him right now. He's in a
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: position where he was asked to do something he said, Okay,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do it, and you know, I don't.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I think I think neither the person who asked him
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: nor him realized how difficult it is. You know. Yeah,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: it could be true too, Yeah, it could be could
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: be like that. I mean, clearly those are cheap shots
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: on the radio from you know, mostly from from blowhards.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: But but it's it's not just fans. It comes yeah,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the analysts, It just comes from. It comes up the territory.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, I've heard I hear that from about
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: people around the league, and I don't get my back
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: up and defend it. Man, how many people tell you
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Brandon Staley is a moron? Yeah, well they hear that
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: all the time. Just moron, just gonna go for it
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: on fourth down and right, yeah, like that he invites
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: on his own. I just think that that's part of it.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: When you don't think the guy's very good, you call
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: him names and stuff like that. I agree. I mean
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, Fred, I just that doesn't
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: bug me as much, like like you can criticize his
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: work without getting like down in the gutter like that.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, it just bothers me. You know,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: luck goes into it. But I'm not even gonna give
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: you a hard time for thinking that it would work,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: because I don't know how much you really thought it
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: was gonna work. I think you were hopeful. I was hopeful.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I think you were hopeful, and you you you approached
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: it I think with a little bit more of an
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: open mind than most of the rest of us. Yeah,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: most of the rest of us decided it wasn't going
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: to work before it started. You said, I don't know
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: if Bill wants to do this. I got faith in Bill,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: and I don't think that that's a stupid take you
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: even though it was wrong, I still say having been
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: a head coach in the NFL is worth something. It's like,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: you see, from that total vantage point, it's an incredibly
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: difficult job, and you know, then having having that experience
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and then going back, I think it's beneficial. But it
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't always work. You know, it doesn't always work. Yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: and in this case, it didn't. All right, And I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: mean I still think that they had it hasn't better talent.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, how could they not. I mean this just
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: looks like an not an NFL offense. I mean they
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: have NFL players on the team. It shouldn't look like this. No,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think they have the makings of a very
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: good offense, but it shouldn't look like that. It's not
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the thirty second ranked offense. Yeah, I still which I
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: still contend that they are underperforming. I agree, Yeah, yeah,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I think we all know that. Yeah, could I get
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: them to like eighteenth? Like you know what I mean,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: what's the ceiling? Can you just make me a middle
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: of the pack offense? Yeah, like a black offense as
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: opposed to a dismal one. Right, And if you did that,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll give it better as the defense situationally,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: because they feel like, you know, you're gonna give them
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: a little something from time, I'll give you like just
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: what speaks volumes like son Saturday. The game's I mean,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: it's first in goal from the five. And I said
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to Mike and Davin at the time, if I were Cincinnati,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I'd let them score and then I would have no
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I would have had no fear whatsoever. The worst that's
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: gonna happen is we're going over time. Provided he makes
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the field, they might have missed it. There was a
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: lot of miskicks a lot of miskicks that day, but
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: they were going to get into field goal range. At
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: at worst, I think they may have scored a touchdown
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and won the game. But so I'm talking about this
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: with some people and they were like, dude, what makes
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: you think they were going to score from the five
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: yard line? I was like, what, he goes. I mean,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: it's the worst red zone offense in football. More often
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: than not, when they get down there, they don't score.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I've heard that. So I was like, wow, I'm like,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I thought they would. I thought it was inevitable they
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: were going to score. Yeah, you know, and that, and
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: so much so that I would have invited Cincinnati to
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: let them score to preserved time. But there's no guarantee.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: But you know, the guy said that to me, and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I had no response, like when yeah, but no, you're right.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: They more often than not when they get down there,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: they don't score. Somebody, you idiot. They suck you to you.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the listeners on this Tuesday. UM,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: we'll start with Eduardo in La. What's up? Eduardo? What's up? Guys? Um,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: very emotional roller coaster last game. I don't know. Every
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: time you see Mac Jones play. I just get discouraged
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: every game, you know, Um, but with the playoffs almost here,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: with us having a shot to get there, if he
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: screws up big time versus a Dolphins, does he get benched? No?
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Do we see that be coming? No? I don't think
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: there's any gain to doing that, you know. I well,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: you know what, let's put it this way. If it's
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: clearly him and there's just still a chance to win,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: maybe they do it because playoffs are still a possibility.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: But I just don't know how it would have to be,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: like it would have to be so all about Mac
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: to bench him, you know, like there's no other explanation
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: why we're not playing well today. I don't see that
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: happening though. I mean, to Paul's point, the lack of
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: turnovers lately is probably what has at least solidified him.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I think that's what it would be to get him out.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: He's just he's just like the goalie in hockey giving
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: up goals. We gotta get we gotta make a change. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I mean I think if you were gonna do it,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: if if there was an inkling, I think he would
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: have done it on Saturday because the offense as bad
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: as it can get. And I think he was part
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: of the bad Like I'm sorry he was part of
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the bad. Um. You know, aside from the ball that
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Thornton dropped, which I thought was was a good enough
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: throw to make a big play on, I didn't see
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of good out of the quarterback. And
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to you a point, Fred Boat, when things are going bad,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: he hasn't really turned it around with his mentality. Um.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I thought he did a better job of not you know,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: complete and let it, letting everybody know that the coaches
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: just messed up. Yea, he didn't do any of that
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: in this game. I didn't, at least not that I saw, um.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: But there was just no answers. And if Bill didn't
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: make a like I was really watching at halftime, I
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: saw it like Mac really sprinted to the steps to
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: get out at half. At half. Yeah, And I think
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: they mean he may have been in retrospect, maybe been
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a little irked with the whole we're gonna go out,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: We're gonna throw a pass on first down then call
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: the time out. But I don't really trust you. I'm
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: just gonna take a knee hearing right go like I
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: think that might have been bugging him, and I was like,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: this is something to keep an eye on. But when
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: he came out to start the second half, he was
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: throwing and running on the sideline like he was helmet on.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Going back in the game. I had my eye on Zappy. Yeah,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: and I think if we didn't get him there, I
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna get him all right, Eduardo, thanks
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: for the call. Let's go to Spi and Fresno. What's up? Speed?
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Danny Angel is a good one. Spread. Another one is
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Bruce Bowen. He always used to find a way just
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: to kind of stick his foot under somebody else's like
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: an offensive player right when they're shooting, like Bruce Bowen,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Draymond Green. Yeah, there's a lot of basketball players that
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I like that. It's a it's a good sport for
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that for just kind of like cumulatively like subtle yeah,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: oh yeah. Yeah. You can't really get back at him.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I wanted to. I was hoping I could try and
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: start a Paul and Fred fight. Um, what do you got?
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: So don't last? Don't give up yet? What do you
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: got guys? Last week, you guys had to kind of
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: it was it was a really interesting back and forth
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: about how Bill maybe how Bill would react, uh if
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: and when Craft approaches him about Patricia in the off season,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: and Fred was just basically like, Bill's gonna see what
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: we're all seeing, but the offense, and he'll be on
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: board to shake things up. But Paul was, and I
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: think I might be more with Paul and this pop
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: up Bill would be more like hesitant theraist and kind
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: of like, well, make the change. But I don't want
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: to make the change. That's the fear. And and um,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I guess I wonder if you're trying to do the
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: dangerous thing of reading Bill's mind. Um, do you think
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: that he's all of you guys? What do you think
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: is he putting? Is he putting too much of this
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: stuff what's going wrong on the players kind of at
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the expense of really clearly seeing what's wrong with the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: coaching stuff with his coaches. I think that's as word about, well,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that's that's like if they would just do the system
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: the way me and Matt and Joe are telling him.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Do you think that that'sibilities? No, I don't. Do you
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: think that that's what I'm asking I'm not trying. This
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: is not an argument starter. I'm asking, do you think
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: there's a chance that Bill thinks it's them not us? Well,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I'll here's what I'll say. I guarantee he's hearing that
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: it's them not us. And you know that's what coaches
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: are telling him because they're sticking up for themselves. So
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: he's hearing that from the coaches. No, but he's hearing
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: from the players that it's them not us. And coaches,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: But what do you think do you think there's a
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: chance that he thinks, yes, if they just exactly what
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Mike said, just did what we told him to do.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: We just executed the plays are there to be executed well.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: And every week everybody has seventeen plays where I see
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a guy. You know, I think it's all deceptive. But
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: here's here's the thing that maybe we all need to
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: worry about. Let's let's go back to practice. Right, So
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I was gonna go back. Bill hasn't stopped coaching in practice.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Like it's not like he always has coached in practice.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Even though there's an OC and a wide receivers coach
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: and a defensive line coach, he still goes in and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you know, walks in and coaches during practice, So it's
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: him telling guys what to do too. So what we
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: have to worry about is that he does feel like
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: it's the players. That's my concern, and that's kind of
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the concern about if Robert approaches him, well, I mean,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: if I don't want to leave, I want to stay,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and if this is what you're telling me I need
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: to do, then I'm going to do it. But you're
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: kind of going along to get along, and that's not
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the best environment in my opinion. It would be much
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: better environment if he says, I took a shot, it
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: didn't work right. We need to make chances. Yeah, doesn't
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Robert always have like an end just to be like,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: you know, Billy, You've always said when things are going right,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: it's because the players, and then going right, it's probably
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: because of the coaches. I mean, isn't that what am
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I wrong? That's what he says publicly after games. I
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: don't know what he says to Robert. Yeah, I just
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: think that's hisses. Why didn't it work with Mac? Like
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: then then you turn to the players, all right, Well,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: if it's on the players, why can't you pick these players?
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I mean Mac was pretty good last year. So do
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: we have to get all new players now because these
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: players can't execute what you guys are trying to sell. Now,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: that's my question. But I think everybody's hoping what Paul
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: said that they'll acknowledge how bad, and I don't. I
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: don't rule that out. Like I think that he's a
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: smart guy and he sees he sees the ineptitude of
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the offense. Imagine more than just it's more than just personnel.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: And you can do it in a way that you're
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: not killing your your friend Matt Patrician just but you
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: have to admit something. You have to admit that, Yeah,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I put him in a bad position. And you know
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: what else, Fred, he could also admit it and say, like,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: it's not necessarily because they didn't know what they were doing.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: It's because they wouldn't embrace it. They wouldn't accept it. Yeah,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: you know, and if they had just been willing to
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: accept it, But like that ship has sailed, it's not
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: they're not going to accept it, right, Yeah, So you
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: can blame Mac and the guys that he has following him,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: or you can blame Patricia for not you know, getting
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Mac on board. Whoever you want to blame. That's fine, Yeah,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: but but Bill has to step back and look and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: say it's not going to work because it's dysfunctional, right,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and you know, like the way it would work would
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: they would have had to have had immediate success. And
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: then the players are like, oh, okay, this is okay.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: But remember, you know, we keep harping on it. This
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: hasn't looked right since training camp. Didn't even look right
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: in practice, like you know in seven on seven, same
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: exact thing, you know, it's the same exact thing. I mean,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: that's what I mean. In some ways, it's almost like
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: just fascinating to me because I remember having the conversation
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: during camp of is it possible that we're gonna get
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: to the season and all of a sudden, this is
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: just going to come. Remember we kept saying okay, and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: remember Paul being like, yeah. The first day, the first
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: day of practice in short still, I remember it was
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: DeVante Parker with fifty fifty balls and Kendrick Bourne just
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: running all over the place, making plays and jacking up
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: the crowd with energy. That's the only day the offense
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: looked passable the entirety of camp. Yea, and yeah, I
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: did in the back of my mind saying, well, you know,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I that they might. Yeah, but once the once the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: offense looked equally inept in the preseason games, when you're
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: playing against vanilla coverages, like a lot of ways, going
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: against your own defense and training camp is harder than
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: going against the an opponent who's just you know, doing
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: whatever six four six two stack monster. In the preseason games,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: they're just calling the defensive signals. They're not adjusting, they're
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: not game planning. And when it didn't look good there either,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I was like a couple of shots. You know, there
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: are a couple of like deep plays mac. Oh, that's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: a nice deep throw, right, Yeah, you know I had
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: a deep one to a Galore I think in the
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: first Eagles Yeah, I don't know. And Vegas and who
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: was the first preseason game Carolina Giants was the first Giants,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Carolinas Giants. I remember one deep ball to Aggalo the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: preseason and everybody was like, I was like, no, I know,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I know, orff those were I mean, that was a
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: huge piece of the offense there. Early on, it was
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: like every play, remember, I was losing my mind. Well,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: spe we got it's gonna be an interesting offseason, we'll see. Yeah.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I like Paul stop point earlier also about how the
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Indie game coming out of the by last season, that
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: was a real inflection point. Um, so I just think
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: it's Yeah, I don't know how you take the sum
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: total of Max's body of work coming to the end
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: of the season, how you kind of weigh in his
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: sophomore or the rookie wall thing against what you've seen
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: in this season. But just still trying to figure that
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: guy out is just disappointing this later but in the
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: game in the season that I still don't really know. Yeah,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: that guy. Yea, all right, thanks Be, I think you know. Yeah,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Chad's in Atlanta. What's up, Chad? Hey, Phyllis good. Good
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: to talk to you again, a long time listener, first
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: time calling in a very long time. I got two points.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I'll get through him really quick. Um. First one's about Mac.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Seconds about Bill. With Mac, I just I don't think
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: he's the guy. I don't. I don't personally think Dappy
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: is either. But I don't really know what the what
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: we can do with the quarterback position with what we have.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I kind of think Bill was I don't know if
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Suckers the right word into drafting Mac. But maybe he
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: was infatuated with him due to his relationship with Saban.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, um, but I definitely do think Mac
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the intangibles. He has slow reads and he's
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: just the ball is slow getting there. Um. I just
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have a laser. So I think that calls
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: us problems. But on to the second point, I think
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: it all starts and ends with Bill. Um. I think
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: he made things worse this season when he pulled Mac
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: after he threw that interception and put Dappy in. I
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: think that got in his head and I think that
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: caused the problem. And we can criticize Patricia and Judge
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: all we want to, but Bill ultimately is the one
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: that made the decisions to put them there. Um. His
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: smug like non answers with the media is getting very
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: old to me. And as far as just like an
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: overall coach's concerned, I just don't think Bill got it anymore.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think he has it. He had a call
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: yesterday when I was on chat on the sports Aide
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: that took took me and us to task for not
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: calling out Bill for his sour answers. I go, I
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: don't really think it's the media's responsibility that tell the
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: coach he needs to answer the more. Yeah, I could
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: see where that's more annoying when you're not like he
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: didn't when you were winning and you didn't care about it.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, you care about it. Yeah.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I mean for me, it bothered me, then it bothers
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: me now. But there's nothing's going to change about it, right,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it's like I said, it's it's
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: not my like. I'd be way out of line if
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I went into a press conference said Bill, don't you
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: think you should answer these questions a little bit nicer? Yeah?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Us go away? Yeah, go away? Old man Uh. On
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the phone right now is mister Lyff. We haven't heard
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: from you in a long time. What's up, mister Lyff? Hey,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: it's so good to reconnect with you guys. I hope
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: you're all doing well and having a great holiday season.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Are you been touring the world or what are you doing.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I've been I've been touring the world, just wrapped up
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: a well. Actually we did a Northeast tour um which
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's the smartest thing to do in
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: the winter. But we luckily got through the whole Northeast
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: tour without getting hit by snow until the very end
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: when everyone wanted to fly home to be with their families.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Right yeah, so that that that caused them problems for
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: just about everybody in the band. But uh, but no thing.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Things have been good, good, good, So people don't know.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Mister Lyff is one of our local music producers here, Um,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: friend of the show, accomplished musician and producer. We're just
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: all around good guy. Yeah, great guy. One of the
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: created the original theme song for PFW. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: We got a bit of a history, fellas, and it's
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: been enjoyable the whole ride. And as you know, I've
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: maintained my silence for a while here, but I had
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: to call in because I just I'm just fed up,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm fed up and I'm and I'm disappointed
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: in so many regards of what's going on with this team,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: particularly this season. Um, I'm not a believer in Mac
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Jones at all. I just I just think he's a
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: bad quarterback. I personally believe that he makes everyone around
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: him worse. I think he's goofy everything from his his
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: his overall antics, whether it be on the spidelines, you know,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: when he's you know, got injured in Baltimore, tried to
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: hop up. I think most things that he does just
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: look goofy to me and don't embody the character that
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I'm looking to see in a in the leader of
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the New England Patriots at a quarterback position. As far
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: as Bill's decision making, you know, for me, the only
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: fun part of this season was when Zappy was playing period.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: That is when I felt like I was watching Patriots
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: football watching his ascension. I know people will make the
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: argument that the Browns are a week team, and you know,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: the Lions, particularly at that point in the season, were
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: a week team and Dappy did beat them. But I
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: think that it was evident to the entire fan base
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: when Zappy took the helm in the Green Bay Packers
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: game on the road, that the kid had poised. He
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: embodied a lot of those elements that I think people
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: wanted to see, and that's why there was Dappy Fever.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why Bill Belichick felt that it was
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: necessary to at that time prematurely we inject Mac Jones
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: into the lineup. When Zappy was rolling in the whole
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: fan base wanted Dappy to play, and that bears game
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: to me. At that point, Bill broke the spell of
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the magic that had been casted, and since then, since
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Maca's returned, Patriots Football for me has been virtually unwatchable. Um,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I just think that he is. There's nothing I like
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: about what I'm seeing at all. Um, Once I saw
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: a Zappy get into the game, I honestly I never
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't care if I ever saw Mac Jones play
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: another Donald football. To be real with you, guys, I've
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: been done. I've been done for a long time. I
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: feel like we wasted this season. I feel like this
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: this this roster, as presently constituted, could would be a
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: playoff team and would win at least one playoff game
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: under Zappy's leadership. I just think that Mac is a
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: complete stiff and I'm done. Wow. Okay, mister Left hard words,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: don't be a stranger, don't be a strange. All right, Yeah,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: come by if you want to luck Bud, all right,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: thanks for hearing in front of you. All right, mister Left,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: who is he? He's a localst rapper, um and producer
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: and uh you know called in one day, said he's
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: a big fan of the show, sent us his CDs
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and everything, and then he created one of our first
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: theme songs. Do you have that? Yeah, let's let's play that.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Let's play This is a mister Lyft creation. All right,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: let me let me know when you have. Yeah. So
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: he's been in um, he's he's he's been a guest
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: on the show. But he he travels the world. Um,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: and he and his uh, his band and you know
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: they put on shows all over the place. Yeah. Yeah,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: so he's out on the Patriots, I guess. Yeah. But
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: he's a big fan. I mean no, I mean, like
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: not the only one, like like that's a good I
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: mean he's a he's a real fan. You know, he's
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: not just like you know, uh Johnny come lately. He's
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: been a fan for a long time and this this
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: is really bothering him. You know, I understand. M Evans here, Yes, sir,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: how you doing? Okay? I was I was giving you props.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: You know at some point though, we do need to
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: go over your list of grievances, because I know that, yes,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: you made a list, but the team or with with us,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: with us, But I was giving you props because a
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: lot of analysts in twenty two guys are on the
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: spacing layering bandwagon, but you were on that like weeks ago. Yes, uh,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: I have come to terms and I'm not going to
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: be triggered by the mister lyft is that lift flif flift.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be triggered by his call because
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I have come to terms with the fact that Mac
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Jones is just unlikable. He's just an unlikable dude, right,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: And that's I can't listening. Didn't like Tom Brady either.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I can't change people's minds about that, right, Like, if
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: you don't like his his attitude and the quote unquote
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: dirty plays that have been have been circling, and like,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: if you don't like those elements, I can't. I can't
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: change your mind and I'm not going to argue with
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: you because that's personally your feeling towards the quarterback. If
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: you put this film, especially from the second half, on Saturday,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and you just changed the jersey, changed the name on
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: the back of it and just said that this was
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: quarterback X and here was his second half, people would
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: be saying he played great, okay, right, but they don't
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: like them. So I can't you know? I posted on
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Twitter before I got here the whole shot that he
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: hit the Kendrick Bourne on the right sideline, an absolute
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: seed right like it. The throw was an absolute dime
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: far hash whole shot into cover two. And if Justin
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Herbert makes that throw, it's on ESPN. It's, oh my god,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: what a throw, right, And then I post the throw
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: of Mac Jones making it. It should have been intercepted.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: It was the wrong read. It was this. It was
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: that negatives. Right. You're not going to change people's minds
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: at this point, so it's it is what it is.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: He's gonna have to change people's minds. And I think,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: you know, I can kind of already speak for you, Paul,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: because I think you're gonna say. I ain't saying nothing, Paul.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: If you win, all of this goes away, right. I
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: think that that that that's a big thing about it too. No,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I think if his play is the same and they win,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's a much more positive outlook on him.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I think if they scored thirty
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: five points every week and one, that's different. But when
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: you score a touchdown every game, people are upset. People
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: are like you, Fred, this isn't normal passing offense, right.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: So yeah, no one said they didn't make any good throws,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: but not enough. They don't make enough good They don't
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: make enough plays like the one Evan just talked about.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: That was a good play. I know the play he's
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, but they don't make enough of those.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: And I mentioned the one that he put on Thornton's hands.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Thornton has to catch it, right, certainly a good enough
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: throw for a big chunk play, and he didn't catch it.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: But that's not on match. It sounds like to me,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Evan from your film study, the body of work in
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: the second half was good for him. No, the body
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: of work for him, for him, for him, for him. Yes.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: So here's the biggest thing from the first of all,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: the first half and sprinklings in the second half as well.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I think one of the notions is that the second
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: half was a well oiled machine and the first half
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: was a dumpster It was a dumpster fire for four quarters.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: It was bad for four quarters. What happened in the
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: second half was that Mac and Kendrick Bourne made some
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: plays right, and that I think mass the fact that
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of the same issues came up in the
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: second half that came up in the first half. It
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: just luckily they made some plays. Individuals made some place.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: So I thought that this tape on the whole was
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: actually pretty was fine. From back, I thought it was
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: pretty good. Their offense, their passing offense, is making mistakes
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: that I can't even explain in words of English high
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: school college Like, it's just the spacing is terrible, the
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: communication is terrible. The routes themselves, if you just look
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: at the breakdown the technique of the routes that these
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: receivers are running terrible across the board. I mean, Mac
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: is sitting there and they're showing all out pressure and
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: he's tapping his wrist to send a signal to everybody
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: that it's just that he's gonna check to his screen
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: because they're gonna send a pressure and nobody, nobody looks
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: for the ball. They all just run up field like,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: and maybe that's on him that they didn't get the
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: signal right, and maybe he's got to bark at them
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: and say, hey, right right, hello to side with the
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: revers to the right, yes, And then they didn't even
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: blitz right and then they didn't even blitz, which that happens.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: You know, Joe Burrow, The same thing happened to Joe
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Burrow right where they they showed blitz and then they
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: backed off and he checked into his screen and the
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: same exact thing. So that piece of it happens. But
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: you have guys that are just not even looking for
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: the football. You're calling a screen. Nobody's running the screen. Yeah,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: you Telly like pull it up. And he was like,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: like you could literally talk for an hour. And I
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: know that Evans watched all these plays a million times
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: and he knows all the different things that did wrong,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: like all the different things like during the course of
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: the game. Unfortunately, the very last play of the game, Okay,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I know you have no shot, Okay, but you're gonna
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: go out there on fourth down and you're gonna throw
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the ball as far as you can do you know
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: what happened on that play They had alignment called for
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: being illegally downfield. Ye. Like, it just to me totally
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: encapsulates the ineptitude on that side of the ball that
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: we've seen for fifteen games. Yeah, one thing I wanted
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: you brought up born making plays and of course the
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: theme is where's he been? Why have they playing? Bill
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: hadj every rice he's been in Mothball, Bill an answer,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: you know, why haven't you been using him? And he
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: had he said no particular reason, and everybody was gonna
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: say he had an answer, and everybody, everybody was all
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: over him. But you know what I was thinking about that,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: It's like he could be just blowing you off, but
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: he could also be saying no particular reason. It's a
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of reasons why he hasn't been playing. You know,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: maybe he meant that. Maybe he meant there's no particular reason,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: but there's a million reasons why he hasn't been. Maybe,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe that maybe he that was his prepared
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: answer for anyone that I'm just gonna that's not the real,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: the real thing that he meant, because that, to me
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: is even worse. If he's like a litany of things
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: that he's done wrong and he's out there, that makes
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: me feel he had to be out there because he
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: didn't not. If he's done a litany of things wrong,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: he shouldn't be active, that shouldn't be on the team.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about agree, I'm just talking about reasons
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: why other guys are playing ahead of him, you know,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: and at that point you had to get him out there, right,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: you know, um, because but that what that could have been,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: what he meant. There's no particular reason, but there's a
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: lot of reasons. Yeah. I hate to Kendrick Bourne because
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: he was the only guy that actually played well on
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: offense in this game. But at the same time, Scott
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Johnny Smith killed right like he So they're running, you know,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: a stick to Johnny Smith and then Kendrick Bourne runs
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: an under in this to the same spot that Johnny
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Smith is running the stick, and so he gets sandwiched
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: between two defenders and and gets and gets put into
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: concussion protocol right there. There's no there's no level of
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: football that tells you to run those two routes next
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: to each other. And that could be. One of the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: reasons is that he's just not playing smart. He's not
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: using his head out there, you know, as talented as
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: he is. That's I think what we don't know. And
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: that's right, you know, I don't know. I don't think
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: up this way, and so you know, it's just where's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: the communication. I mean, certainly it's not being coach properly
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: or relate to the players. But it also seems like
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: they're not locked in multiple senses of pre snap calls,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: changes to the play. They're they're not all on the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: same page. And I mean, Paul, you know, it's like
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: you keep pulling out perfect examples of like they're just
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: so many because they keep doing it. There's like if
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: you could just say, you know what, we have X,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Y and Z that's really going well, but A is
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: really hurting us, then you could fix it. But every
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: time you fix A, X, Y and Z go hey wire. Right,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: that's the problem the Patriots this year exactly one day
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: because we stink. One day, you're driving it right down
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: the middle, but you can't hit an iron to save
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: your life. Right the next day, you can't chip or put.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: The next day you're all and you're in the woods
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: off off of every t like because we stink, right,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I think that I'll leave the last part out. If
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: they got everybody mentally on the same page. I'm not
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: saying they'd be some elite offense, but I think that
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: they would at least be representable. Yes, the issue that
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: they the biggest issue that they have right now is
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: before we get to scheming and play designing and secret
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: in all the details of running a good offense. The
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: biggest issue that they have right now is that guys
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: are not running the right routes right, Like they just
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: aren't on the same page. Some guys are running one play,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: another guy's running another. Like on the play that Hunter
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Henry gets hurt on, Johnny Smith is just crossing over
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: the field and he's looking for the ball the whole
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: time because he doesn't expect that Hunter Henry is going
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: to be there right right. And you know, one of
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: the things I was saying earlier, Evan, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you agree with me, but there's
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  Speaker 1: no way that this is just rearing its head in
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: the games. It has to be happening in practice, yeah,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: you know. And so like that's that's my problem is,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Like you could say, well, it's the players they're not executing. Well,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I can't believe that it's just in the game that
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: they're not executing. Yeah, you know, it must be happening
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: in practice. Well, I do think that there is some
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: element espec because I've asked that question privately and because
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: I have had the same exact reaction as you like,
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  Speaker 1: if it's this bad and practice, how are we not
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: coaching it up? Right? Like? How are we not correcting this?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: And I look at everybody wants to point out Patricia,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: But Bill's watching the same practices too, right, right, so
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: right if he's seeing this and Bill Belichick is not
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: correcting it. And I think the best explanation that that
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I got was that the practices that they have right
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: now are not truly live bullets, right, Like, they're not
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: truly live and you can't simulate what it's going to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: be in a game and a practice, especially list late
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: in the year with all the rules and stuff like
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: that and pads and everything. But we're talking about spacing.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: But in a walkthrough, yeah, it's very easy to jog
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  Speaker 1: to the right place that you're supposed to be in
• 1:04:54
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• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you have to go and
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: do it in a game. And now you're adjusting the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: play at the line of scrimmage, and now stop stop
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: right this, stop right there, because you know, here's the play,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: here's the play. Here's the part of the play sequence
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: that applies to me. I know the route I'm supposed
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: to to run, right, that's don't overthink it. But like
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: you said, okay, line of scrimmage adjustments, pre snap adjustments,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: that's the part that maybe you can't simulate in practice.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: So somehow like even that, like there has to be
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: a way to address that, like early on realizing Max's
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: not getting everybody's not on the same page, there's there
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: has to be a way to overcome that mid season, right,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: And then you also get you know, you know, what
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: coverage is the defense running and how does it adjust
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: based off the coverage in this But I think in
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: this in the second half or what I think, and
• 1:05:52
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• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Minnesota game with the second half because I didn't want
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: to overhype it and be like this is replicable and
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: this was a turning point for this offense, like some
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: of us did against Minnesota. And I think the problem
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: that you have with the replicable piece of it is
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: that they basically just stripped it down to bare bones
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: in the second half and they were running four verticals
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: and like you know, just basic basic passing concepts, remedial offense. Yeah,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: just like literally day one install like mini camp stuff,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: because all the checks and this and that and everything
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: was in the first half was an abject disaster. So
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: they just ran four verticals like, they just ran guys
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: up the field and Mac made you know, the throw
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: to where it was best. Yeah, I thought this was
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: kind of interesting. This is a quote from Matt Patricia
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: this morning on that first third down. We've talked so
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: much about a little insight I think into what we're
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: talking Maybe when we went into that play, we had
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: a really good play that we practiced and thought we
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: had a couple good options on it. I think we
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: saw the play a little bit different on the field
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: and got to just clean that up. From that standpoint,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: we saw the play a little bit different on the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: field because of the defense that they were. We thought
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: they'd be in covered. But I think that maybe that
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: is a big problem that if that's what he's saying,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: that happens to every team. How do you know what
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get? Right? Don't you don't know what you're
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: gonna get. But I think it's an example of what
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: we talked about before Everon joined us, with the fear
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: of the coaches think it's on the players, the players
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: think it's on the coaches, right, coaches telling you there,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: we thought we had a good play. They saw it
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: a little bit differently on the field, right, that we
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: did right, Like, that's how I interpret that. I don't
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: know how you went to hell like in other words,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: like the play was there, they didn't run the right roads.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: But it's which I agree with news because I'm with Evan.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: There's no design, nobody ever designed to play to have
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: your tight ends run crosses and smash into each other.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: News flash, though the other team's trying too, like they're
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: trying to did someone bump bump someone off the road
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: a little bit? You know? I don't know. The worst
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: part about the first third down is, at least the
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: way I see it on the film, the Bengals bust
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: the coverage and there's nobody on Johnny Smith. And if
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: he just doesn't collide with Hunter Henry, then there's a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: completion there on the film. But like I said earlier
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: about the play, he never looks to where Hunter Henry
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: is going, which if there there is a play, no, no,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: John Smith is looking for the ball the whole time. Okay,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: And and there is a play that's called you know,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I call it usually mesh and they do cross right
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: like that? Is there a mesh point, right? There is
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: a design that they intersect like that. But when they
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: run that play, the receivers don't look back for the
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: football until they clear each other, right like, they run
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: it and then they clear each other, and then we
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: look for the football because we have to make sure
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: we don't run into each other. That's a good explanation. Yeah,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: he's not the mesh point. He's talking about something a
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: little bit. In other words, he wants them to cross.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: They're supposed to be looking to make sure that they
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: don't bang into each other, and they don't look for
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: the ball until after you've cleared right right. I think
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: that's what you explain. And most teams like to get
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: it down to bare bones on that play. A lot
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: of coaches will teach the players to actually high five
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: on the field in live action and not like that.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: But the point of doing it's the point of the
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: high five. The point of the high five is to
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: get the spacing down right is to you, because you
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: really do, you're creating a rub against man coverage. You're
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: trying to pick off the man coverage defenders, so you
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: give the high five as a way to make sure
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: that you're close enough but you're not on top of
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: each other and you're not colliding. So if that was
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: the design, Johnny Smith didn't know that was the design
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: because he doesn't do that. He just keeps running right
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: and he runs right into Hunter Henry. Plus Hunter Henry's
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: running a square in and John who's running acrosser. Like
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: I just I can't, for the life of me figure
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: out how square in and a crosser are on the
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: same on the same diagram like that. That's just not
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: a play design that exists. And I know we're getting
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: ready to take a break, but real quick, did did
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: you you feel like these issues? These spacing issue has
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: been a problem all year right, all year right, So
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Troy Bryant was asked about it and he doesn't don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's been a big problem. I asked him, did
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: you hear that I asked him about it? I asked
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  Speaker 1: him about it a few weeks ago, and he was
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: a lot harsher about it than he was today. So
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: maybe he's getting a little sick and tired of the question,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: or maybe it's like he's starting to hear people say,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: what's the wide receiver coach to him because that has
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: started to happen. Maybe, yeah, it's just circle. But just
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: like concepts in the passing game. There was another one
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: with kenry Bourne, like it's yeah, I agree with Evan,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: like they have too many plays where it seems like
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: there's multiple guy. There was a play that they they
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: made a big play against the Raiders that I thought
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: was going to get knocked down by another receiver, like
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: because I thought the guy in now wisely they let
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: it go, but I thought there was a chance that
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: he was going to go for it and it is
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: going to prevent the I think it was Myers. I
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: don't know. Forget. I think it was against the Raiders,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it was Myers, But you know, me Cte,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: I forget, forget the little things. Yeah, it's it's been
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: a problem all the year. I mean a good example
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: of it was the overthrow to Johnny Smith in the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: end zone against the Raiders. It was not not Mac's
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: best throw by any means, but Tai Kwon is running
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: an under and john is running the corner and Taikon
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  Speaker 1: just takes ten hours to get out of the break right,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Like he's just standing there trying to like throw fakes
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: and like whatever. And the under route that Tai Kwon
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  Speaker 1: is running is to declare where the corner is on
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: the outside is going. Is he gonna drop or is
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: he gonna match the under? Because if he matches the under,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: it creates the separation for Johnny Smith and Mac has
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: to throw it to the back pylon and basically make
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: a perfect throw because Taikwon never gets into the route,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: so he doesn't know what the corner on the outside
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: is doing. So these little spacing things. It's not just colliding, right,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: it's also just the way that the play unfolds. It
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: makes it impossible for the quarterback to read the coverage
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: because they're the defensive backs are not declared. Doesn't look
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: the same way, right, I don't know. All right, we're
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  Speaker 1: first of all, thank you guys for getting us through
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  Speaker 1: these typicult times like you guys always do for the
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  Speaker 1: last few years. Huh yeah. But I'm wondering. I'm wondering
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  Speaker 1: if we're going to um do anything at all about
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  Speaker 1: um Matt Patricia. First of all, like everybody else, UM,
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  Speaker 1: I think that not. We're going to asked for another change,
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  Speaker 1: of all, UM, and that's what excuse me now, So
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  Speaker 1: you know we're gonna go into this next season, we
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  Speaker 1: want to change maybe you know, a different coordinatle and
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  Speaker 1: are we gonna ask for Matt input at this point?
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  Speaker 1: But where we go from here? I think that you know,
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  Speaker 1: the organization is we're at a really suck point, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean as fans and as a team. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I just wanted to know what you guys thought.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, I mean, like what does Bill think?
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  Speaker 1: What does Bill think about a quarterback? You know why
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  Speaker 1: we know what our fans think and people are kind
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  Speaker 1: of split or maybe it's you know, more against him
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  Speaker 1: in form at this point, but like what does Bill think?
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  Speaker 1: And that's what we're all trying to figure out. Does
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  Speaker 1: he think it's the players, does he think it's Mac,
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  Speaker 1: have no idea really, you know, I mean, he can't
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  Speaker 1: be happy with it. The way the press conference on
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  Speaker 1: Thursday made me feel like it seems like he just
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  Speaker 1: came off watching them do what they do on the
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  Speaker 1: that's just what we're all hoping that he sees what's
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  Speaker 1: been going on and says we got to make some
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  Speaker 1: significant changes to to rejigger how this is working. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think I would be you know, maybe if like
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  Speaker 1: somebody like Mayo left or you know, something, that could
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is, like, if Bill thinks, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Max's just not on board, he's not getting a bub
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  Speaker 1: He's not going to ask his input on a new
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  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. If Bill thinks he needs a new offensive cording,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, like a second year quarterback, I'm
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: not saying that like he is intentionally kept out of
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  Speaker 1: the loop, but I'm not really all that interested in
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  Speaker 1: his input on the offensive coordinator. True, Like Aaron Rodgers,
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  Speaker 1: Tom Brady, yeah, Peyton Man, guys that have been in
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  Speaker 1: the league for ten plus years. Yeah, you want to
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: you know, what, what do you know about this guy?
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  Speaker 1: You know you're comfortable with this guy, Mac Jones two
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  Speaker 1: years in right, right, I don't know, Like, again, I'm
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: not intentionally shutting him out of the process either, like, I, oh,
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  Speaker 1: if you know we got an offensive quiting it, don't
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  Speaker 1: let Mac know who that is. No, that's not what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, this is a guy with thinking about Mac.
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  Speaker 1: You know, why don't you guys talk to you know,
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  Speaker 1: let me know what you think or whatever. You know? No, no,
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  Speaker 1: do better. But you know by helping, I don't. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't help. He does. He's one of them. Like I'm snarky.
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  Speaker 1: He's flat out me Like, I don't know. Like again,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: like Paul said, you know, Deuce didn't like Tom Brady,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: So I don't know what, like, what's not the opposite?
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: I like all the quarterball? What's gonna make you happy?
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We gotta get back to thirteen win seasons,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Fred twelve, he's I need fourteen wins. Actually it's seventeen. Ah,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: let's go to John and Maine. What's up John? Oh? Job?
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  Speaker 1: Party on the hell with you guys? Does that mean
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  Speaker 1: a strong option? Does that mean strong option? That's a
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: crap sheet speak. That's what you're talking about, Bill O'Brien,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: is a strong option for patriots. That was the report
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: over the weekend that lifted the report from Burt Brere
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: and you know, like a month or later. What is
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: like really? What does that mean? He's a strong option?
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: I agree, like like you think he is? Is he really? Are?
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: They think like that could mean anything? I agree, I
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  Speaker 1: know exactly who thinks it is m But like what
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: what's kind of been for the what the catch twent?
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: He's only dropping on him Brook today? Yeah? Yeah, unless
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: but like what that's ridiculous? Well that's I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: just so much of it. And of course, of course
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: he's a good fit. I don't think anybody I say,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know anything, but he's a good fit.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, he was here, he knows how it works,
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  Speaker 1: He's been around. He's an offensive you know his mac
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of course. But oh that's so desperate
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  Speaker 1: to make a headline. I don't think it's them who's
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: desperate to make it Mac, I don't think. No. Together,
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  Speaker 1: thank higher and keep your mouth shut up. Let's go
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  Speaker 1: to Sean and Vancouver. What's up, Sean. I'm here, Eavan,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I speaking, Hey Sean, thanks for not hanging up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're welcome. No, I understand where Mossillis is coming from.
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  Speaker 1: Was zappy and I don't I don't I think there's
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  Speaker 1: more to it than that, because when they brought in Zappy,
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  Speaker 1: they simplified things. They said, we're gonna go with the
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  Speaker 1: run game. They were fortunate to have six strong offensive
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  Speaker 1: linemen where it was working or weren't able to run
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  Speaker 1: the ball and youth play action and Zappy showed success
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  Speaker 1: with that. And when they went back to Mac against
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: the Bears that he couldn't do that, and then they
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: brought Zappy and he couldn't do it either. When they're
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: coming from behind, you can't you can't like have that
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: same play action success. So it wasn't so much that
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: Zappy is necessarily better this season than Mac. It's it's
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: just nothing's working. And I saw Mac play well last
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: year and I still remember that, and I'm just wondering,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: Izz he broken. Can Can we fix it? If we
• 1:31:12
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• 1:31:15
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• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: we bring in coaches that can can we put him
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: back on track to be a possible solid starting quarterback. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: it's a good question. So, I I mean, I don't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't know if he's going
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: to be what you need to get to take on
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen consistently and and go toe
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: to toe with those guys. But I just think with
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: a competent offensive system coordinator, everybody's on the same page that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he showed it last year. He was he
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  Speaker 1: was an average quarterback, which at this point I'm sure
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: we would all take. But yeah, I think I think
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: he can definitely be better. I don't know how good
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: he can be. I don't know if he's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: going to take the Patriots to their seventh Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 1: But I think that he can be a serviceable starter
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  Speaker 1: and as we've seen the last couple of years, keep
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  Speaker 1: everyone's talking about Bill and Matt, but no one's talking
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: about Joe Judge a lot. Dude, like as the quarterback coach. Now,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: you know, like you wonder what input what Rolie has
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: in this whole thing. He's kind of he kind of
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: drew the lucky straw. I think this year of you're
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: going to be a little bit out of a spot.
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  Speaker 1: Like Yeah, but I mean I'd put him right in
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: the mix with everybody. And I mean I think just
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: go down the list of issues we've been talking about.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Everything's an issue. I mean you can point at the
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: quarterback coach for some of this stuff too, of Mac
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: you know, Russian to change the play, not making sure
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: everybody's on the same page, those kind of things like
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know where the overlap is for
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  Speaker 1: each individual responsibility, right, I just I look at Bills
• 1:33:15
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• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: kind of thrust into this position. Yeah. Carla is in Florida.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: She says, love the show. Paul was discussing the Heaven
• 1:33:25
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't a bomb that didn't flop. He had like
• 1:33:35
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• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: sorry huge. As for the Patriots, hoping the twenty twenty
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: three season will bring some positive changes. Not a big
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: fan of Mac, but maybe he needs another chance with
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: a real creative offensive coordinator. I feel for the defense
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: who seemed to be always keeping us in the game,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: only to see the offense screw up those opportunities. But
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: you know, like, but that's the thing, Like, okay, so
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: now you bring in this really creative offensive person, how
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: is that going to make anything better if guys can't
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: run routes or community you know, like, well that's what
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: he's got to that's what this part of coordinating the offense.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: You know, the question is is they having a hard
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: time running the routes because they're not being properly explained
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, right learned or whatever, or they're not.
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  Speaker 1: They have flawed designs to them that are you know,
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  Speaker 1: more susceptible to you know, bad spacing and whatnot. I
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  Speaker 1: don't there's a lot of things that we don't know,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: but I'm just saying there's a I just think at
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: least you can see there's a lot of factors that
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: the players don't have a big picture of what they're
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: trying to accomplish. And I think a lot of times
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: what the Patriots are trying to do on both sides
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: of the ball is to have players who aren't just
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: learning a position, but are understanding the whole concept of
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: how they fit into that. And so if they have
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: to move like a guy like you know, Dugger, who
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: you're playing in multiple kind of positions, is that you know,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: it's not like he only knows one position. He knows
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: the concept. It doesn't seem like any of these guys
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: know the concept and how they're It seems like they
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: kind of have a sense of what they think they're
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: supposed to do maybe and they're doing that and not.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: Evan's point on that play in the end zone with
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Jono Smith the one that Mac made the throw wide
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: to the back corner and it took Thornton forever to
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: sort of clear out of the way. Do you understand
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: that what you're doing is important on play? Yes, I'm
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: it affects everybody right right right, how you fit into it,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: even though the ball is probably not coming to you.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: What you're doing is vital and do your job and
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: you're one of eleven is they like to say. And
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: that's such a big part of it to me as well,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: which is why when we talk about potentially next coordinators,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think Bill O'Brien's the most creative offensive genius,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: Like I don't think he's one of these wizard schemers
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. But it's just a level of
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: professionalism that I think that this group needs to get
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: back to, of everybody being on the same page, having
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: a concrete plan that everyone understands, and like he's a
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: professional offensive coach and that's what he brings to the
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: table help And I think the biggest thing, you know,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: you guys are pointing to all these good examples. They
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: had multiple dropbacks on Saturday with unblocked blitzers coming off
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: the edge just guys unblocked, unobated to the quarterback, just
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: completely untouched to the QB. And that point comes back
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: to what's the plan? Like when we get to the
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and we see that they're showing pressure,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: what's the answer? And so much of quarterbacking offense in
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: general when it comes to pre snap is is problem solved? Right?
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Like you have a blitz that they're showing, and a
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: couple of times the Bengals didn't even disguise it. They
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: just came all up at the line of scrimmage and
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: we're like, we're coming, and they just don't seem like
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: they have the tools to then go ahead and say,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna move the running back over here.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna move the tight over there. This guy's my hot.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: Like they don't have a plan for what's going to happen.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: So what ends up happening is they you know, they
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: slide to protection one way, it leaves the backside completely unblocked.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: He comes in on blocked. Then everybody's running vertical rounde.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: So it's like, even if he wants to throw hot,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: there's nobody to even throw hot too. So there's just
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: no plan in place to be like, when we get
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: this look, this is what we're going to do for it.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: And that to me comes back to the week at practice.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: It comes back to game planning and preparation and coaching
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, because we never it
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't that they never missed a blitz or never you know,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: got pressure on a blitz against them or anything like that,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: but you could always explain on the film, this is
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: what they were trying to do to pick up this
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: blitz or beat this blitz. And now you just never
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: can understand how is he supposed to survive that play? Like,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: how is he supposed to get the ball out here?
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: How are they supposed to get it blocked? You know,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: they're sliding the protection into the left hand side and
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: Trent Brown and Kevin Harris are blocking the same guy.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: But then the backside at rusher is unblocked. So you
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: had two you had two on one, so you had
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: the numbers, so you had the numbers to block it,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: but you just didn't configure the guys the correct way.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: And if I had to downgrade Mac anything in this
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: game significantly, I would say that that is partially on
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: the quarterback right like it's his job to get the
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: protection set and to get everybody in order pre snap
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: and make sure that everything gets picked up. And the
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: one on the goal line, they catch them right, so
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: he does a little hut hut right and they all
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: like show it and then he's like, oh wait a second,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: here they're coming. So now we got to make adjustments.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: And you see him alert alert. You know this is
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: the mic. You go and it's still unblocked, so you know,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: where's the where's the disconnected? Yeah, it's Matt in Ohio
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: writes in Hello, mister Jake Steel and the Boys the
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: most hated filling for Tony. Ask mister Paul Perilla what
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: I loved angry Paul yesterday and listening to him treat
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: these Boston fans that the idiots they are. Were you
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: hard in the fans yesterday? Paul? We had three different
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: guys that legitimately called in and I think they were joking,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: but they didn't let on they were joking that said
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: it was a jinx. It's a Tom Brady jinks it's
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: been a jinx because we wear red uniforms like the
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: British like. And these were legit calls that Tim mccon,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: let go. He got to the point where me and
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: the producer were on Tim McCone to let him go
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: on too long? It was tough. And then there was
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: the ten and five guy, the guy called into the
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: Patriot should be ten and five? Okay? One anyway, please
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: put me out of my misery and end this awful season.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: All these garbage teams other than the top ten teams
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: need to stop playing the rest of the year. This
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: year has been ridiculous for terrible football play and coaching.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: After watching these coaches continue to lose games for their teams,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: I can't get on board with firing Bill and starting over.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Bill is stubborn, but I feel he's a smart coach
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: and will make the changes he needs for next season. Also,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: please eat John O. Smith's deadcap money and move on.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: So let's play a game. You just tell me yes. No,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: You don't have to think about it, you don't have
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: to qualify it. Yes, No, can win the Super Bowl? Oh,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: the game was a foot Thanks back, Buffalo. Can they
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: win the Super bowl sre? Yes? Buffalo, Kansas City yes,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati yes, yes, Baltimore no No, Los Angeles Chargers No,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans Jacksonville Jaguars yes, yes, Patriots no, Dolphins, Jets. Okay,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: so that's it. So yeah, I mentioned San Francisco. That's
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: the other conference I haven't started. So we had definitive
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: yes for three teams and one person said yes with
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars, Fred Jason, Okay, so we'll call that
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: a three and a half and the NFC Philadelphia yes,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: Dallas yes, wow, Um, San Francisco yes, yeah, Minnesota yes,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: I know if we're not if we're not going to
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: be intellectually honest, um, they're they're ten and o one
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: and they were eleven and on one score, which is
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: not a good indication. Okay, but they have moxie yeah, okay,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: they have Giants no no, um, Commanders, no Packers, No Bucks,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: I say Packers, yes, Bucks, not the way, No that offense,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: no way they got it this year. Yah. Packers. Yes.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: I think that's insane. I think that's I's not equally
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: as insane as your Jags. Not nowhere. They have Aaron
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: Rodgers yeah, and they could be coming on at right now.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: He doesn't care a lick and he's never been good
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: in the play. Yeah. When he made that throw to
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis off his back foot with the three dudes
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: in his face, it looked like he didn't care. Wow,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: just like all you have to do is make one
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: thrown in an NFL game, and Nevin just wants to
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: marry Aaron Rodgers. I'd married. Yeah. I think you're making
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: the point that there's only a handful of teams that
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: can even compete for Yeah, I would have I would
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: have it at five. Yeah. Well, you think the league stinks,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: you always have? No, I haven't always you and Andy.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: I did not think the league stuck in two thousand
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: and three and four two years when they were playing No,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: I'm saying like in the Heart of the Dynasty, when
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: the Patriots were playing like back to back MVPs in
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, I did not think the Titans stunk when
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: they were when they were beating the Titans in the
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: playoffs and oh three, I didn't think the Colts stunk
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: when they were beating the Colts in the playoffs in
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: OH three and Old four. In sixteen when they played Broncos,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: Widler and the Texans, Yeah, I thought they stunk even
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: though they were a playoff team. I didn't think they
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: were any good tim Tebow and the Broncos double by.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: That's when I coined that for Yeah, those teams double by, right,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: So I didn't all. I don't always think the league stinks.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it does. This is one of those. Yeah, this
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: is a down season. So you just got Philly in
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: the NFC in San Francisco. Dallas can't win the Super Bowl?
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Why because they're not good enough? And then I well
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: coached enough. Wow. The reason why I said yes to
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: the Packers was because I just feel like that's gonna
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: that's gonna hot me. Dallas is gonna win the Super Bowl.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: They could very well be an eighteen Patriots thing where
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: they just get hot at the end of the year
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: and Roger Packers plays out of his mind. Yeah, I know,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: I know why said. And their defense is actually pretty solid.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: It was supposed to be, but it hasn't really looked
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: very good. It's been better as of late. I mean,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: they obviously did what they did to two in Miami,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: and I just liked the I like the first half
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: of it. I like the players that they have on defense. Gary, Yeah,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: I love I love that Gary. Uh. I just I
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: just this quarterback for San Francisco. You know can they Yeah,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a concern. Um. Remember we're talking about impossible.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: Then I guess you can have a one. Uh, you
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: can score one. Um. Kennon Poughkeepsie says six one is possible,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: but it never happened. Team scores a touchdown, goes for
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: the two point conversion, offense somehow backtracks ninety eight yards
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: and takes a safety in their own end zone on
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: the two point conversion, resulting in one point for the defense. Yeah.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: I have heard that that that's remember the other day
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: when I was when you said that, and I should
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: I think there's some kind of obscure thing that never happened. Yeah,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: that's I think someone had written in about that. I
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: think it's a safety on a pat as opposed to
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: the defense returning a pat is two points. Yeah, but
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: I don't really know why the difference in the scoring.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: A couple of interesting things here, just to point out
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: Philip Perry. We've we talked about it though, Phil Perry
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: saying here on Sports Hub realistic job Mayo could be
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: gone next season. That's following a report as well from
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: h Andrew Callahan who said something similar. So some Jim
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: McBride asked Mayo directly top of the top of the
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: question and an answer session today, you know, would you
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: still be interested you interview with the Broncos last year
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: and said, yeah, he thinks he's he's ready to be
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: a head coach in the NFL. So I think the
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: underlying factor there with the Phil Perry stuff because I think,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: you know, Tom Cummeron immediately when Hackett got fired yesterday
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: immediately said you know, yes, But to me, the way
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: that Phil Perry talked about this, he's looking to spread
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: his wings. I believe that Gerardmeyer will be a coach
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: somewhere in the NFL next year, not in New England,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: and it might not be a head coach. I think
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: he's out of here. I think he's out of here
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: because he knows there's no upward movement here. Correct right,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: because I actually think, you know, we've bashed the offense,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: and rightfully so, but defensively, and I know people are
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: going to push back on the first half and whatever.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: But as poorly coached as they are offensively, they are
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: very well coached for the most I don't think. I
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: don't think they're very good and we're not going to
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: argue about this because I think we kind of think
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, I don't think they're very good defensively,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: but I do agree with Evan that they get absolutely
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: everything out of the out what they have defensively. That's
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: a sign of good coaching. I got. I gotta hand
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: it to them. They that's a sign of good coach.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: You're getting the most out of what they have. And
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: they spin the dial, They run everything in the book.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: They they do pretty much everything that you possibly can.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: They're running five eight corners out there against six foot
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: four receivers and I know he beat Marcus Jones twice
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: for big plays down the field, but it could have
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: been five times and it wasn't, you know, because they're
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: running different coverages to get the ball away from te
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: Higgins in those one on one matchups, the pressure schemes
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: like they time up that zero blitz at the absolute
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: perfect time and get the pick six. Yeah, it's just
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: they are a very very well orchestrated defense. I agree
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: with you. I guess where I'm at though, is just
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: trying to I don't think that there was good at
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: San Francisco's defense. I just wonder what's an acceptable like
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: like it's really hard to play defense in the league
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: right now, and so like that's why that's that are
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: truly good. It's like, with a competent offense, I feel
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: like this defense it would be good enough. I don't
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: think they were very vetty, very many defenses that are
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: capable of shutting down good offenses. This was a good offense.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: And they fifteen ned points, right if you count the
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: pick six in their favor, three takeaways from a top
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: five defense, what they gave up twenty two they scored
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: seven of their own. Oh okay, so that's how we
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: so were subtracting seven they allowed because they scored seven.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give the seven to the offense. I'm
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: gonna give it. I'm not giving it to the offense.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: But I mean scored twenty two legitimate points, right, and
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: they missed a field In other words, like six of
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: the points weren't from the defense. No, no, no, yeah,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: that's how we made it sound like they only really
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: allowed fifty Patriots. They didn't. They allowed twenty two. Patriots
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: should have allowed thirty. The Patriots only scored twelve points
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: on offense. Right, that's that's fair, right, because the Patriots
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: defense scored the other six exactly. But I'll say this,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: but having said that, I think giving up twenty two
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: points against the Bengals is good. I give them. I
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: give them credit for finding a way to keep them
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: in a game. They absolutely found a way while everything
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: was like Rome was burning all around them, and they
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: found a way to pitch a shut out in side.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Now I'm dead serious. I give them all the credit
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: in the world for that, and they deserve it. But
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: teen points. But let's well, let's not like say that
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: they didn't allow points that they allowed like they allowed.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: They allowed twenty two points, but they did nothing. They
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: did nothing to keep five other points. I just want
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: to understand Evans reasoning. He's take cordered, what do you
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: mean my reasoning. My reasoning is is that they gave
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: up twenty two points. Yeah, they scored seven of their
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: own defensively on Marcus Jones's pick six six. So when
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: it comes to net differential, there you go, oh, okay,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: but they gave up twenty two points. Yeah, of course
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: they gave up twenty two points, because which is still
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: good too. Yeah, it's okay. They gave up four hundred
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: plush yards. I have a team missed a field goal
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: and two extra points like it was okay, yeah, like
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: they competed. I give them. Like I said, I there's
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: certainly not the reason while you lost. The offense is
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: the reason why you lose every week, right, not the defense.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: I would I would agree with that, but I just
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: don't want to get carried away like what Mike said,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: with what San Francisco does, right and just pound you
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: into submission. Yeah, okay, you know, like there's a difference
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: between the other team is like converting fifty percent of
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: their third downs and moving the ball up and down
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: the field. That will you know, And if the Patriots offense,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: like ever, had a miscommunication like happened on the two picks,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: it would be all over the Mac and Patricia. It
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be because they dialed up a zero blitz. Jamar
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: Chase kept running, Joe Burrow read the hot route and
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: threw it right to Marcus Jones because that's where Jamar
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: Chase is supposed to be. Right. It's a good play
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: by the defense, and with a really good play comes
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: is Marcus Jones is electric and runs it back sixty
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: nine yards. So instead of you just getting the ball,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: you score because he's electric with the ball in his hands. Absolutely,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: Malcus Jones didn't quit in that game. I'll tell you that.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of other guys should be looking
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: in the mirror. He's not one. By the way, the yes,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: full disclosure, Jones, I have a crush on Marcus Jones.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: That's fine, full disclosure because Marcus Jones since the Bills
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: game been the best player on the team. And by
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: the way, the broadcast was wrong saying that the last
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: player to score in all three phases was Edelman. That
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: never happened. He never scored on defense. I said that
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: to you in the press box live. I said, do
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: you ever remember Edelman scoring a defensive touchdown? Never did,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: We didn't. The last time it happened was nineteen forty six,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: and it happened three times in that day. But I'm
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: not even talking about the same season. I don't ever
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: remember Edelman scoring good defensive down. And it turns out
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: that he didn't. He never did a couple of specialties,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: so they were wrong. So he had a fumble return
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: for a touchdown, yeah, in in twelve, but it was
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: on specialty. So what Marcus fumble game? What Marcus Jones
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: did this year hasn't been done in the NFL's world
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: since pro football, No, since the forties, I owe in
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: one season, yeah, and once Seaon did it throughout his career.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, No, he's been the best player on
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: the team. Yeah. I'd say Marcus Jones one. That's worth
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: looking up John that you just said that in his career. No,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: in in a season. I want to think he might
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: have done it in a season, like I could see
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: him scoring a defense with touchdown every year he played.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know and special teams yeah yeah, yeah.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: Marcus Jones one, Joshing two. Those have been the two
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: best players for the Patriots over the last month. Again,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: he's awesome on offense, totally on defense, awesome returner. You know,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: how much can we get him on the field. It's
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: unfortunate that I think all his workload is I think
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: starting to have an effect on the return because they
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: need the returns and he hasn't really shaken loose lately.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: I think Evans flirted with this. I think get him
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: in the slot over Miles Bryant next year, um, where
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: I think he can take a little bit more advantage
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, um My thought on Uche though, is
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: that it's great. I think next year you just need
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: Ronnie Perkins to kind of step up and then you
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: can let Ucha walk and you'll have Ronnie Perkins in
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: that third down. Well what if we bring back camera groan.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: I think with with Marcus too, that there's a lot
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: of conversation about is he a better offensive player than
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: you know, where's his ceiling? I think he's good either way,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: Like I think he is honestly great either way. I mean,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: of course he gainst Moss by t Higgins, who's eight
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: inches taller than him. It's just a bad matchup. So
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: this week though against Miami, like this is they have
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: John Jones and Marcus Jones that can cover hill and
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: waddle like I don't think any other team has two
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: four three guys that can cover and stick with those
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: two guys consistently. So I'm really hyped up to watch
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: how they match up against those two guys because that's
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: a great matchup. I just hope they keep playing Marcus
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Jones on offense and going forward to which he's going
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: to have to play and like you said, get him
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: back in the slot. That's offense. Benn and Brooklyn. He
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: ain't going to get the ball like tool was like
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: earlier in the year. He'll do what too has been
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: doing lately. Benn and Brooklyn went to the game and
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: came away with several observations, but chief among them is
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: that losing in that fashion was the best possible outcome
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: this one. This team was never going anywhere, even if
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: they should squeak into the playoffs. Two they showed fight.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: Three they entered the fact that they hit on the
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Marcus Jones pick. Four, the offensive line actually played relatively well.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: Five No sense worsening our draft pick with a win.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: Six lack of speed and getting the play in hugely
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: benefits the opposing d time to react, catch their breath substitution,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: if not outright delay of the game. The first and
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: second half disparity was revealing one hundred percent conservative predictable
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: in the first half run on first and second, pass
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: on third, but to clearly open up more in the
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: second jet sweet long passes, use of Marcus Jones tremendous rally,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: but came up short. Microcos him of the season, You guys,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: Paul absolutely nailed the prediction that Burrow would exploit our
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: cornerback's lack of height. And I commend John Rook for
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: being really early one and a half years ago on
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: McDaniel's impending departure and its impact. Okay, okay, I'm not
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: a big fan of like, it's good that they lost
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Now, if they had actually won
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: these last two games like they should have, Oh, they'd
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: be sitting pretty. They would maybe in. Yeah, they'd be in.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: They'd be sitting pretty. It's crazy now, I think we're
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: all kind of just expecting this is Patriots formula. We
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: got a back up quarterback. What does it say though
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: about this team if they can't beat Teddy Bridgewater here
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: in a game. I don't understand that Teddy's just as good.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: This is not a good like this is not They've
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: never beaten Tuah. Yeah, they've never been Even when Tua
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: was not good, they couldn't beat Tuah. So I don't
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: know why he's four and oh against them. And the
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: games haven't really been competitive except that one game. I
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: think when Damon Harris fumbled, right, kind of similar situation
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: is as the Ramondre fumble. Yeah, but in all in all,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: they've gotten blown out. Well, I was looking too back
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: at him. I mean, they would fell in a seventeen
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: nothing hole in week one here. They fell into a
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: seventeen nothing hole at the end of last year as well.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's just an interesting dynamic. I mean,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: I think everybody's just kind of like, oh, we got
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: it now. But I also think that it's kind of
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: an indictment. If you can't beat Teddy Bridgewater with you know,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: really playoffs kind of on the lives, it's going to
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: need him. Matt and Santan Valley, Arizona. Santan Valley just
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: wanted to make a take a minute to scrunch up
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: my nerd glasses and correct the caller Dwayne from Thursday
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: when the Patriots drafted mac Bill wasn't asking Matt Patricia
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: if he was good with the pick. He was asking Matt.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: Grow just wanted to throw it out there since it
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: was bugging me all weekend. Oh yeah, that's probably right,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, like Macro really had to say, I
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: just think it's crazy when we have to ride the
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: press elevator down with Macro and Macro has to sit
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: in there and there's not usually too much chatting going on.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: But it's just an awkward situation where somebody who put
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: the team together us to ride down with a bunch
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: of us snarky a holes who are like whoa do?
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: I mean? That's why I try to keep it button.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: But it's just a weird situation. Yeah, um, let's see names. Pettigrew,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: the most interesting Patriots fan of the world, says, excuse me,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: the British were to blame for the red uniforms and
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: the losses. Yes, the British who he happens to be British? Yeah, whetish?
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: That coming. Um, a couple more minutes here, so I'll
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: take a couple of Well, let's take a phone call. Uh.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: Craig from Richmond, California has been holding on. What's up, Craig? Hey,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: how you doing, guys? Time first time? Thanks for calling. Hey,
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: So you guys talked a little bit earlier about the
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: Joe judge and so I'm curious. I'm a little bit
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: more curious about the blame pie. Um, so like, do
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: we know exactly what he was doing when he's with
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: the giants around the offense? And I can take my
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: I could take I could take well. Originally he had
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: a coordinator which was Jason Garrett, and he fired him
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: and took over basically the offense. Right, Well, am I
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: getting that right? Freddy Kitchens took over the Freddy Kitchen
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: who was with Cleveland, who was also an actual But
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: I thought I thought that Joe Judge was calling plays
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: for a while. I know that Freddy Kitchens was calling plays.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: I think Judge had a pretty good hand in what
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: they were doing. Okay conceptually, but okay, yeah it was
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: Freddy Kitchens. It was Garrett and Kitchens. But yeah, okay, yeah,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: So does that answer your question? Did you want to
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: build off of that? I guess I just I want
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: to Yeah, I guess it does. I just want to know.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: I just was curious about how much of the blame
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: we give to Joe Judge. I know, with Matt Patricia
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: calling all the plays, we get to see him on
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: TV and all that. But yeah, I mean, you know
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of times and thanks for the call, Craig.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: Like after the play, Mack will sit down and he'll
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: sit be, He'll be sitting next to Judge. Judge will
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: have the tablet, right because Patricia has to be with
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: the offensive line, right, double duty? Right? What does he ignore? More?
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: But then like on a time out when he comes
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: to the sideline, he's talking to Patricia. Occasionally Judge will
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: come over and the three of them will talk, and
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: sometimes even Bill as well. But it's weird, like who
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: does he talk to when you know, like you would
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: think that he would talk to the guy call him
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: the place after each series as well, But like everyone said,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: he's he's got other things. You know, it's just not
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: a good setup. Yeah, it's not a good setup. I
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: agree it's got a change. Um. Like I said earlier
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: in the show, I just hope that it's a change
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: that Bill thinks needs to be made. Right. You want
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: it to be his decision so that he's on board. Yeah,
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: you know, um, but I don't know. It's it's gonna
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: be interesting. Are you excited about the offseason, Duce, because
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: I know you get excited about these things. I'm excited.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: I can't work right, A lot of work to be done. Success.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: I want to be excited with you, and I'm sure
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: I'll get there at some point. But I think it
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: comes back to do they see the issues right? Like
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: do they see the albums? Because somebody asked me in
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: the mail bag this week, what's like your five step
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: plan and it to me it's so obvious, like what
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: like especially the boxes that absolutely need to be checked.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: But I just don't know if they think it's as
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: obvious and that until I hear Adam Schefter report the
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: Patriots of hire Bill O'Brien as their offensive coordinator. None
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: of it else, who they draft and who they signed,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: They none of it else, None of it matters. All right,
• 1:59:28
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• 1:59:32
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• 1:59:36
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• 1:59:38
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