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- 0:00I've got to share with you public service announcement, one
- 0:03of the greatest threats to men's health.
- 0:06This is a public health catastrophe in the making.
- 0:11I'm talking not about prostate cancer, but about the PSA test.
- 0:16Let me explain. Doesn't it make sense?
- 0:21Isn't it intuitive that if we can test for something like
- 0:26prostate cancer and catch it early, we can make a difference?
- 0:31It's a big problem with that statement.
- 0:34It doesn't hold true. It is true about other cancers,
- 0:38but the prostate is unique. There's nothing quite like it.
- 0:42So let's let's unravel the origins.
- 0:45In the 1990s, Doctor Albin, APHD researcher, discovered the
- 0:50prostate specific antigen, the PSA.
- 0:54Shortly thereafter, a test was manufactured around his
- 0:58discovery, the PSA test. He was vehement in warning the
- 1:03public that this test is not a screening tool for prostate
- 1:08cancer, and his concern was that it would be capitalized on by
- 1:13medicine to generate fear to push men into procedures that
- 1:18are highly profitable and of dubious value and potential
- 1:22harm. He was right.
- 1:24He wrote a book about it called the The Prostate Host, a great
- 1:28prostate hoax. His concern has been validated.
- 1:32The drum beat of screening PSA testing.
- 1:37Look, I'm not against PSA testing.
- 1:39I'm against the way it's interpreted and the way it is
- 1:43utilized in my view and the view of many others.
- 1:47To scare the bejesus out of men, to let them go do something that
- 1:52horribly affects the rest of their life.
- 1:56Think about the ark. How do we get in the space?
- 2:00A lot of this is presumption, intuitive conclusions.
- 2:05Nobody bothered to research whether or not removing a
- 2:09prostate gland would make a difference, they just assumed it
- 2:12would. 1950s Prostatectomy becomes a standard of care from
- 2:18the 1950's, the 1960's, the 70s, eighties and nineties. 2000 the
- 2:24rate of death from prostate cancer kept going up.
- 2:27What gives? 2012 to 2023 the per capita rate
- 2:34of death from prostate cancer has been flat.
- 2:38Now tell me folks, just logical conclusions.
- 2:42If whacking out prostate glands and irradiating them was
- 2:46effective, wouldn't we expect that rate to go down?
- 2:50Isn't that what we want for our trillion dollars in Cancer
- 2:53Research? Here's the problem, and it's not
- 2:57an evil cabal. It is the law of self-interest.
- 3:02The PSA test scares men. To do what?
- 3:05Get a biopsy. Got to do a biopsy.
- 3:07Got to know what's going on. It's a it's a shot in the dark.
- 3:10The biopsy itself is traumatic. The biopsy itself creates blood,
- 3:17ruptures, the capsule of the prostate gland, potentially
- 3:21disseminating prostate cancer cells if they're in there.
- 3:25These are atypical Dorman cells. Now I'm going to pause and
- 3:28highlight this detail that when, if I, as a doc, if I cut through
- 3:34a Melanoma, a skin cancer, I cut right through that instead of
- 3:38excising it completely so that it doesn't disrupt the cells.
- 3:43That's malpractice. That is known to be a risk
- 3:47factor to spread Melanoma and make it systemic.
- 3:50If I cut through it, When a surgeon does an excision of a
- 3:53breast mass, he or she doesn't cut through it, chop it up in
- 3:57little pieces. They cut it out carefully.
- 4:00They say we got clean margins. Why do they care about clean
- 4:04margins? Because they do not want to
- 4:07disseminate cancer cells. Now, how do we go from that to
- 4:12the belief that we can stick a needle in your prostate, you
- 4:15know, 12 times, make a bloody mess of it?
- 4:18Yeah, don't worry about it. No risk of prostate cancer
- 4:21dissemination. It begs logic.
- 4:24It is paradoxical. These two things don't go
- 4:27together. You can't on the one hand say
- 4:30I'm practicing, I I'm performing malpractice if I cut through a
- 4:34Melanoma or the surgeon is is guilty of malpractice if he cuts
- 4:39through a breast tumor and at the same time tell us it's OK to
- 4:42chop up your prostate. It makes no sense.
- 4:45Now where's the research? It's not there.
- 4:49We have a tendency to not research things.
- 4:53We'd rather not know the answer. We'd rather not know that answer
- 4:56because it could disrupt a multi billion dollar industry.
- 5:00There's a reason why the Pharmaceutical industry and the
- 5:04medical establishment does not chase down negative consequences
- 5:10for things that are profitable. Only bad stuff can happen.
- 5:14So it's buried and it's presumed that it's OK.
- 5:18Nonsense. So you got that risk and
- 5:21ultimately before we talk about, you know, PSA and screening and
- 5:25now there are more tests coming out screen for your for your
- 5:29prostate cancer. Here's the nub of the issue.
- 5:32Conventional treatments cause harm have not been proven to
- 5:37diminish a man's risk of dying from prostate cancer.
- 5:42That is the research based reflection on some of the best
- 5:47studies 1 published in the New England Journal of Medicine in
- 5:502023 demonstrated that men who have the gland removed or
- 5:56irradiated of the same death rate, rate of death from
- 6:01metastatic prostate cancer as men who did nothing 20 years
- 6:06later. That should have been a stop.
- 6:08The press moment that should have caused every doctor to say,
- 6:14hey, what are we doing? We're taking healthy men.
- 6:17The typical scenario PSA test is done.
- 6:20It's elevated all right. What is elevation?
- 6:24The numbers that they use. Folks are made-up.
- 6:27They're completely arbitrary. There is no deep research behind
- 6:32the numeric cut off. And the consequence, Sometimes
- 6:35people call it three, sometimes it's four.
- 6:38I say it's none of the above. Is it worth looking at if you
- 6:43can then interpret it rationally?
- 6:44Now here's the problem. We've established a multi
- 6:48billion dollar industry around the PSA test.
- 6:51The the test itself is a profit center.
- 6:55New tests are coming out and we're we're chasing down that
- 6:58rabbit hole. We're all not all but medicine
- 7:03is looking for the next best screening test that can help us
- 7:07determine should we should we not biopsy a gland is a cancer
- 7:11likely present or not? It doesn't matter how good the
- 7:15test is if it ends up directing you towards a biopsy because
- 7:19there's no test that would be adequate, the eyes of
- 7:23conventional medicine to avoid a biopsy procedure.
- 7:28They're ultimately going to be chasing this and that causes
- 7:32harm, as we spoke of. So we got the PSA test being
- 7:36misinterpreted, misguided. Look, that PSA number for most
- 7:40men, almost all men, it's going to gradually go up.
- 7:44It has to do with the inevitable increase in the size of the
- 7:47prostate gland in the large cohort of us.
- 7:50We don't care about PSA numbers. We don't care about prostatic
- 7:54hypertrophy unless it gives us a problem.
- 7:56We just don't want to die from prostate cancer, right?
- 7:59That's the bottom line. The PSA test shunting you in
- 8:03toward a biopsy. Scary to think about.
- 8:07You know, a 12 to $13 billion industry.
- 8:10My protocol, the approach that I've adapted over years,
- 8:13includes using non biopsy biomarkers, APSI like that for
- 8:20screening, for tracking I should say, and the prostate health
- 8:24index. Those two tests can give you a
- 8:26pretty good information about where things stand.
- 8:29Combine that with an MRI of the prostate if needed.
- 8:33Now you can look at the anatomy without sticking a needle in it.
- 8:37What we do with that, that's challenging, isn't it?
- 8:41So I see men all the time. Elevated PSA, an abnormal MRI of
- 8:46the prostate. The next step, the doctor wants
- 8:49to do a biopsy. Whoa, pause the thought.
- 8:53You don't want to get sucked down that pathway.
- 8:56You don't want to become another, I don't know, person in
- 9:00the queue in the conveyor belt. We didn't get the biopsy.
- 9:04We didn't get the multi billions with AB billions.
- 9:09If my protocol were more widely adopted, urological procedure
- 9:13would diminish greatly. And they should.
- 9:16We shouldn't be doing this to men until we can prove benefit.
- 9:20Stop harming them. I don't want to be harmed.
- 9:22I don't want my patients being harmed.
- 9:24And that's what's being promoted out there.
- 9:27Billion dollar industry. How about the Kimberly-Clark is
- 9:32a company that makes absorbent pads and guess what?
- 9:36They donate to prostate cancer awareness now.
- 9:41Who the hell is not aware that it's there?
- 9:43What they want to do is promote the concept using fear.
- 9:48Your prostate is in fact the second leading cause of cancer
- 9:52death amongst men behind lung cancer.
- 9:55OK, that's a fact. It hadn't changed despite all of
- 9:58our treatments haven't budged. The fact that it is the second
- 10:03leading cause of cancer death does not justify the treatments
- 10:07we have now imposed on men, since we now know, you know,
- 10:11that the efficacy of those treatments is little to none
- 10:15regarding the ultimate outcome. So why does this keep going?
- 10:19Why, it's very emotional. Everybody knows somebody, or has
- 10:23heard of somebody who died from prostate cancer, who suffer the
- 10:28consequences of the terminal phase of it or suffer the
- 10:32consequence of the treatment. What we do to men is ghastly,
- 10:37but you have a powerful emotional mutual bias.
- 10:41The surgeon, not an evil guy. This is what he was taught to do
- 10:45from 1950 forward. Urological surgeons, we cut
- 10:49stuff out and we're going to get better at it.
- 10:51So we don't leave you so impotent and leaking urine.
- 10:54So they say. So the surgeon then does your
- 10:57biopsy says, look, you got early stage prostate cancer, Good
- 11:01thing we caught it early. Now we're going to cut out your
- 11:04gland. You guys know the risk of death
- 11:07is still out there. In fact, no better than if you
- 11:09did nothing, right? Surgeon, however, has a patient
- 11:13and this story unfolds every day in America.
- 11:17You have prostate cancer. Oh my God, It's an emotional
- 11:20reaction and it should be a horrible thing to hear.
- 11:23And here are your treatment options, Sir.
- 11:25You can do radiation or we can cut out your gland, or you can
- 11:30do watchful waiting, which is medical lingo for hey, I do
- 11:34nothing. Let's see how it goes.
- 11:37Call us when it metastasizes. Weight.
- 11:39Men faced with this type of a presentation will naturally
- 11:45select in most cases, some form of active intervention.
- 11:49That's a problem no matter if if you have an early stage prostate
- 11:54cancer, your risk of dying from that in the first five years is
- 11:59practically 0. It has a 99% five year survival
- 12:03rate. That's a problem when trying to
- 12:07respond to the emotional reaction.
- 12:09You have a surgeon just whack your prostate out.
- 12:12You're suffering impotence and incontinence.
- 12:15You have an empathic wife. They want to make you feel bad,
- 12:17so she kind of goes along to get along.
- 12:20You get that plastic liner for the bed.
- 12:22You know, you get the little bag thing.
- 12:24So when you go to the restaurant and you're leaking urine, you
- 12:26don't make a mess. Good Lord, if this were what it
- 12:29took to survive, maybe. But now you have a mutual bias,
- 12:33right? I had my hands up here.
- 12:35Mutual bias. The surgeon doesn't want to
- 12:36believe he imposed harm with no merit.
- 12:38The patient buys it. They do not want to believe that
- 12:43they're leaking and impotent and feel crappy for no value.
- 12:49And when the cancer does not occur, nobody thinks at that
- 12:52point that hey, this was an indolent phenomenon that would
- 12:57have never progressed anyhow. They believe that the surgery
- 13:02cured them. I see this all the time in the
- 13:05headlines now. President ex president Biden has
- 13:08a nodule on his prostate. Who the heck is looking at the
- 13:11nodule on a prostate on an 80 something year old dude who
- 13:15probably is counting his lifespan in months or years?
- 13:19Short years. Look, I'm all on board living
- 13:22long but you got to face reality.
- 13:25You know, A nodule on the prostate of an 83 year old
- 13:28should be ignored. Or you should do my protocol.
- 13:31Why? Because I'm not going to hurt
- 13:33you. This protocol doesn't hurt
- 13:34people. We need different approaches.
- 13:37Where are they going to come from?
- 13:38They're not coming from the ivory covered institutions of
- 13:43Cancer Research. Certainly not things that are
- 13:46cheap. Certainly not things that are
- 13:48non patentable. It's not going to happen.
- 13:53That's why I do my podcast. That's why we, we the people at
- 13:57a grass roots level, got to make our own decisions.
- 14:00You've got to be affirmative and assertive.
- 14:04If you choose to get the prostate removed, that is your
- 14:07prerogative. It's not necessarily the wrong
- 14:10decision. You know, I, I can't tell you
- 14:12for sure what the future holds. I can tell you what the research
- 14:15has shown us. I can tell you what has happened
- 14:18to people. I can guarantee you harm if you
- 14:21do radiation or surgery. I don't care if it's a da Vinci,
- 14:25If it's a Leonardo, I don't care what kind of da Vinci or that
- 14:29robotic surgery that they promote.
- 14:32There's one the company that makes that machine.
- 14:35It's the only product they make. As far as I'm aware, it's the
- 14:37only thing they make. Well, their entire fortune
- 14:40depends on the belief that that machine can take out a prostate
- 14:44gland with less impotence and incontinence.
- 14:47Unfortunately, the research does not support that superiority.
- 14:51Either way, you're a huge risk, colossal risk.
- 14:55But the industry churns on 1992 thousand.
- 15:00It's not going to change from the top down.
- 15:04There's too much money being made.
- 15:06The hospitals have invested heavily.
- 15:08They buy a Da Vinci piece of equipment.
- 15:10They need ROI, return on investment.
- 15:14They buy a proton laser. So what about the radiation?
- 15:18That's horrible. You irradiate anything and
- 15:21you're going to do damage to surrounding tissue.
- 15:23You cannot contain the beam. It hits the bladder, it hits the
- 15:27rectum. Five years later, you're getting
- 15:30radiation proctitis, radiation cystitis, peeing blood, leaking
- 15:35stool. Oh, I'm sorry, Sir.
- 15:38It's, you know, it's a consequence of your radiation,
- 15:40but you know, it's a good thing you did it because you're not
- 15:43dead from prostate cancer. You see how that emotional
- 15:47reinforcement becomes the cultural belief self reinforced
- 15:53based upon a false premise. Now they have the proton laser.
- 15:57Cost crazy money for the hospital to buy this equipment.
- 16:01They promote this as being capable of targeting things
- 16:04better. We can hit the nodule and not
- 16:07damage surrounding tissue. There's a, there's a host of
- 16:10problems with that. Number one, the cost is, is, is
- 16:14incredibly high. OK, that's a problem #2 hitting
- 16:18a nodule not been shown to prevent death from prostate
- 16:21cancer. And we know the prostate gland,
- 16:25right? Is it's like a sponge.
- 16:26It's got nooks and crannies. We know that cancer is not
- 16:30necessarily present in a tumor state.
- 16:33It can be cellular, invisible. You can't know where to hit it
- 16:38with that laser beam. Hitting a visible module just
- 16:42may be a false target. So we got problems with
- 16:46treatment. We've got problems with
- 16:47screening. We're left in this sort of
- 16:50horrible space. What is a man to do?
- 16:54Well, folks, first and foremost, do not sacrifice vitality unless
- 17:01there is a concrete, proven, overwhelming evidence of
- 17:06benefit. Might you die of prostate
- 17:10cancer? The possibility exists whether
- 17:13you whack the gland out or radiate it or even do my
- 17:17protocol. There's no guarantee out there,
- 17:19guys. I'm sorry, doesn't.
- 17:21Well, there is a guarantee. There's a guarantee that we're
- 17:23all going to die, but we don't have to crawl across the finish
- 17:27line leaking urine. I've been physically weakened.
- 17:31And don't even get me going about androgen deprivation
- 17:34therapy or castration treatment. It is barbaric.
- 17:39It's considered cruel and unusual punishment if you're a
- 17:42prisoner. And yet we do it to men every
- 17:45day. Every day we whack their
- 17:48testicles in the form of cutting down testosterone.
- 17:51So am I against conventional treatment for prostate cancer?
- 17:55I am. Do I feel that we need
- 17:57alternatives? Clearly.
- 18:00Should those alternatives include destroying the prostate
- 18:02gland? I don't see merit in it.
- 18:06I've seen other approaches, techniques to try to destroy the
- 18:10gland is not as as traumatic. I don't buy them.
- 18:16The problem with this field is we need to follow it for 10
- 18:20years to make a judgement. The first thing they say in
- 18:23medicine, right First, do no harm.
- 18:27Imagine a drug intended to cure prostate cancer, but it has
- 18:32horrible side effects, causes impotence and incontinence.
- 18:35And imagine that drug was found not to be effective.
- 18:39The FDA would pull it off the market tomorrow.
- 18:42There's no FDA for surgery, folks.
- 18:44Nobody's pulling prostatectomies off the market.
- 18:49Hospitals, the machine manufacturers, the absorbent pad
- 18:57manufacturers, the surgeons all command the space.
- 19:01I'm imposing on them my humble perspective as a primary care
- 19:06doctor because I stand outside of that sphere.
- 19:10There are many urologists that are questioning current
- 19:14standards and current approaches, but it's difficult
- 19:17to speak out when you're in a room full of urologist.
- 19:21Look, I love my colleagues. I have a urologist.
- 19:23He was great when I had a kidney stone, right?
- 19:26They got their niche. They can fetch stones.
- 19:28I'm on board with that. But cutting out prostates?
- 19:31Just say no. So the public health crisis is
- 19:35real. It has to do with the way the
- 19:37PSA is being misused to scare men, totally healthy, intact men
- 19:44to do things that are just ghastly.
- 19:47So we need a better approach, we need to think differently, we
- 19:53need to get to the cellular level.
- 19:55Think about your global health. Well, listen, I hope you've
- 19:58enjoyed this public health announcement.
- 20:00Should you get APSA test? I think it has merit.
- 20:04What should you do with it? That's the question.
- 20:07You need to do your own research on this guy's.
- 20:10The answers coming from a urologist office are going to
- 20:13lead you down the dogmatic pathway 9 times out of 10.
- 20:17Biopsy. To treatment, it's not wrong to
- 20:20consult with the urologist just to gain the sort of standard of
- 20:24care perspective. But those of you that are
- 20:27carrying skepticism, good for you.
- 20:31Find another source of information.
- 20:32My podcast may be one of those or other providers, some of whom
- 20:38are in your community. Perhaps you can even link with.
- 20:41We hope to make this approach more accessible for more men.
- 20:44I think it should be offered. It's the next best thing to
- 20:48doing nothing. We believe it's superior in the
- 20:51potential outcome. Only time will tell.
- 20:54All right. Well, thanks for your time and
- 20:56I'll look forward to our next chat.