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Speaker 1: S Credlin for London interviews.
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Speaker 2: We could not have picked a better week to be
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Speaker 2: in England. It has been huge politically, but also on
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Speaker 2: the ground, hearing from locals about the issues affecting them.
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Speaker 2: My goodness, you think we're in Australia too, Immigration, costs
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Speaker 2: of living, loss of trust in government. They've changed the
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Speaker 2: prime minister in Britain. Will that happen in Australia. We'll see.
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Speaker 2: Certainly the population are not happy and all the challenges
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Speaker 2: that we face at home are met here in part
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Speaker 2: by debates they are having about all the things afflicting
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Speaker 2: the Western world.
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Speaker 1: Security.
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Speaker 2: As I said, immigration is a huge one. Loss of culture,
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Speaker 2: a loss of self confidence. I had some terrific interviews
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Speaker 2: this week. I want to make sure you see them
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Speaker 2: all again. But we did get out and about in
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Speaker 2: London and beyond. So sit back and enjoy this special
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Speaker 2: recap program of Credlin. But now, in light of the
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Speaker 2: AZO Boss Mike Burgess's comments overnight that our security environment's degrading,
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Speaker 2: my next interview could not be more timely. Jed Tahara
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Speaker 2: is a political strategist and analyst from the uae I
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Speaker 2: spoke to him last year on the sidelines of Arkhan.
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Speaker 2: I knew, I absolutely knew I had to get him
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Speaker 2: back on the show because sadly, just one year later,
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Speaker 2: it feels like the threat of radical Islam is only
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Speaker 2: getting worse in the West and certainly worse in Australia. Jed,
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Speaker 2: thank you for your time. There are so many issues
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Speaker 2: I think we've got to discuss, but I want to
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Speaker 2: start with something that has really rocked Australia, and that
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Speaker 2: was the Bondei massacre in December last year. We are
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Speaker 2: still sort of unpacking it. We've got a Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: at the moment trying to get to the bottom of
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Speaker 2: it and do our best to prevent it happening again.
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Speaker 2: But the reaction of politicians has been very mixed. Some
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Speaker 2: are comfortable calling out radical Islam. Others fear offense and
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Speaker 2: just don't use that language. You know this better than anyone.
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Speaker 2: Give me your reaction to what you saw happen in Sydney,
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Speaker 2: but also advice you'd have for politicians about radical Islam.
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Speaker 3: I think he was an attack against not just the
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Speaker 3: Jewish people and Jewish community. It was an attack against
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Speaker 3: the Western civilization. It was an attack against all sorts
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Speaker 3: of civilization. And the reason for that, I say, radical
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Speaker 3: Islamist which is led mainly by the Muslim brotherhood all
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Speaker 3: around the world, or have been allowed to act in
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Speaker 3: such a way, in such a manner where every time
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Speaker 3: you try to criticize them, they want to make it
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Speaker 3: expensive for you and I and everyone, including even members
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Speaker 3: of the Parliament, members of the Congress. They want to
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Speaker 3: make it very expensive for them to criticize them. And
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Speaker 3: the moment they criticize those Islamist, those Muslim brotherhood, they
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Speaker 3: will call them Islamophobia. But that terminology itself, it was
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Speaker 3: created by the Muslim brotherhoods. Radical Islamist is to censor
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Speaker 3: your right to criticize those and is to stop you
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Speaker 3: from doing so. Muslim Brotherhood just still exists in the
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Speaker 3: books in some universities and some schools and even some
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Speaker 3: mosques inside Australia, the books of say It got up,
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Speaker 3: the books of Bintemia and Baz. All those Islamist terrorists,
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Speaker 3: or at least the ones who sponsored support or glorified terrorism,
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Speaker 3: their books are there right now at this stage, at
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Speaker 3: this point, in some of the mosques in Australia. And
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Speaker 3: the fact that we allow this books, the books of radicalization,
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Speaker 3: the manifest of the Muslim brotherhood, which hamas is the
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Speaker 3: armed forces of it in Gaza, Yes, which what we
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Speaker 3: see in al Qaeda anas is exactly They used exactly
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Speaker 3: the same books. So the same manifest of the Muslim brotherhood.
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Speaker 3: Why do they exist in a country of civilization, in
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Speaker 3: a place of Western civilization, in a place of where
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Speaker 3: where people meant to be sick in knowledge becoming a
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Speaker 3: place of coexistent peace, prosperity.
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Speaker 2: Why, well, this is the question I mean you're asking why.
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of Australians are asking why. So,
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Speaker 2: why are we falling for even the term Islamophobia? If
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Speaker 2: you're saying it was created by the Muslim Brotherhood to
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Speaker 2: silence genuine debate about Islam in Western civilization. Why are
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Speaker 2: we dancing to their tune?
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Speaker 3: Because their lobbying right now there is your parliament. They're
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Speaker 3: in new streets in many countries in the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: They are terrorists. They come to your country and they
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Speaker 3: become activist. They should be in the prison or hospital,
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Speaker 3: but you put them in the street. You trust your
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Speaker 3: children with them. They lecturing your children what to say
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Speaker 3: that many people are leaving the prestigious universities in Australia
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Speaker 3: are no longer attending because some of the campuses and
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Speaker 3: they are turning to be radicalized by many of those
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Speaker 3: society Islami Society, Muslim brotherhood societies. They're controlling those students.
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Speaker 3: They're radicalizing your students. And you know what they're telling you.
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Speaker 3: They're telling you anti Semitism is our opinion. It's really
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Speaker 3: sad to see where we have reached where it's fine
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Speaker 3: to attack and a restaurant for because it's a Kosher restaurant.
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Speaker 3: You see the points. This is not nineteen thirty six.
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Speaker 3: This is twenty twenty six. When a kosher restaurant in
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Speaker 3: Australia or anywhere else gets attacked. These people are coming
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Speaker 3: to the point where they have a problem with what
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Speaker 3: Jewish person can eat and cannot. It's not about the
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Speaker 3: state of Israel. It's not about right or wrong. It's
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Speaker 3: about them being antisemitic and antisemitism. It's a cancer has
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Speaker 3: existed through our time. The treating it is not by
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Speaker 3: making them to become an MP and counselors. Treating it
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Speaker 3: is by taking them to the court, suiting them and
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Speaker 3: make sure they don't have defenders in terms of the
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Speaker 3: people who are defending the criminals all the way in
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Speaker 3: the Middle least. What they say in some mosques in Australia,
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Speaker 3: they cannot say those words and terminologists all the way
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Speaker 3: in Afghanistan any way.
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Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's the point I want to pick up, right.
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Speaker 2: So we have hepe preaches in our country that speak
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Speaker 2: in mosques that our government is too weak to the poor,
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Speaker 2: too weak to deal with into weak to prosecute them.
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Speaker 2: And we have laws but they're not used enough. You
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Speaker 2: leave in a Muslim country, you come from a Muslim country.
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Speaker 2: You have a much better handle on radical Islam that
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Speaker 2: any country in the West. Why is that? What are
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Speaker 2: you doing to stamp it out?
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Speaker 3: By saying anti Semitism is a crime, not an opinion,
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Speaker 3: By calling the radical radical, and by calling the terrorists
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Speaker 3: a terrorists, you cannot start defending the terrorists. It should
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Speaker 3: be banned, banned the Muslim brotherhood.
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Speaker 2: And you don't have the crime of Islamophobia there. You
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Speaker 2: know that what it is.
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Speaker 3: You cannot You know, this is a problem some people
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Speaker 3: in Australia. And if they're trying to be more Muslim
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Speaker 3: than I, you will not be more Arab than I.
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Speaker 3: You will not be more Muslim than me. And I'm
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Speaker 3: telling you banned the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Speaker 2: I've got to ask you then, when you observe what's
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Speaker 2: happened in the West, not just in the last couple
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Speaker 2: of years, but in the last couple of decades, do
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Speaker 2: you hold out hope that the West will be able
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Speaker 2: to deal with the group of radical Islam.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think no. Let me let me be very
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Speaker 3: precise about this. This Islamist and the Muslim Brotherhood, what
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Speaker 3: do they have right now? They have a system of banking,
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Speaker 3: including charities. They call them charities, but those are not charities.
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Speaker 3: Those are the sort of companies that they run to
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Speaker 3: refund and money laundry. The Islamist all the way in
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Speaker 3: the Middle East, because if he has an open account
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Speaker 3: in Australia, no one is going to ask about it,
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Speaker 3: and it's going to have an Australian citizen to run
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Speaker 3: that money in the name of fund and charity. If
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Speaker 3: you ask, there is organizations. I would not mention their names.
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Speaker 3: And that's because we are in this time and age
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Speaker 3: where you cannot mention in a Muslim Brotherhood charity because
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Speaker 3: guess what in Australia right now at this moment, they
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Speaker 3: will sue you, sue the channel, so everybody, because they
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Speaker 3: want to censor your right to speak or name them.
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Speaker 3: They want to make it expensive for anybody to name them.
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Speaker 3: They have banking in terms of charity, they have schools
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Speaker 3: right now, they are in your universities, and they will
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Speaker 3: have more and more people in the government and the
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Speaker 3: members of the parliament to at least defend them or
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Speaker 3: sympathize with them. Now if we're having all this, I
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Speaker 3: mean they're control in your street. Later on you will
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Speaker 3: see some of them being a judge or so on,
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Speaker 3: so will make sure they have always a lawyer and
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Speaker 3: a judge defend them. And they are already part of
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Speaker 3: some part of the regulations, in the regulatory when it
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Speaker 3: comes to the government. They're in your streets, they're in
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Speaker 3: your education system, and they are part of the regulators
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Speaker 3: that are everywhere, and they're growing and the funds unfortunately
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Speaker 3: comes right from outside. In fact, I can give you example,
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Speaker 3: it's a very broad example of anyone. In fact, the
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Speaker 3: Islamic jim and Iran was targeting my country is over
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Speaker 3: three thousands, three thousand rockets and drones targeting everyone civilian.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't targeting an American base. It was targeting civilians,
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Speaker 3: children in Quay, in Bahrain and also in my country.
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Speaker 3: The question is did you see any protests in Australia
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Speaker 3: about this against the Iranian aggression in solidarity and in
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Speaker 3: support of the Muslim people who are in the United
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Speaker 3: Arabi Merits or in Bahrain?
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Speaker 2: Or we were matching for the Muslims in Gaza, but
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Speaker 2: not for the Muslims I need to aspire about well.
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Speaker 3: But because this answers your question the moment you ask
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Speaker 3: why is that because the Muslim brotherhood do not like
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Speaker 3: Uee or Bahrain? Because we countered the Muslim Brotherhood and
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Speaker 3: we banned them. So it's not about Islam. This is
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Speaker 3: not about Islam. This is not about human rights, This
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Speaker 3: is not about genocide because Iran committed the genocide. Forty
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Speaker 3: thousand people of the Iranian did not come back since January.
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Speaker 3: Iran killed those children and women and executed them right
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Speaker 3: in the Strait. Not even one protest in support of
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Speaker 3: those from the many communities in Australia.
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Speaker 2: So it is the long game to take over these
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Speaker 2: western countries. Is that a long time for the most
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Speaker 2: and brotherhood.
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Speaker 3: Yes, there will a point. Right now, I believe we're
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Speaker 3: going to be in the time of action. The next
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Speaker 3: step is action, which means they're already recruited, especially after
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Speaker 3: the seventh of October. He gave them enough place to
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Speaker 3: recruit people and use that emotion grab on them and
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Speaker 3: then they went through the education system also, so now
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Speaker 3: they have enough font in terms of the charities that
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Speaker 3: they use and the umbrella of the charities, and they
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Speaker 3: have enough emmams and they have enough recruitments. The next
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Speaker 3: is action. They will carry a terrorist attacks. More terrorist
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Speaker 3: attacks are coming to this Australia, more coming to the
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Speaker 3: United Kingdom. There will be terrorist attack. And you will
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Speaker 3: go back into this interview that we're having to remind
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Speaker 3: people we did warn about this. It's not because we're
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Speaker 3: very smart and clever about this and we have it's
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Speaker 3: because the Middle East understand these terrorists because we suffer.
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Speaker 2: You understand them better than anybody else.
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Speaker 3: Because we suffered from them, and we know how to
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Speaker 3: counter them and we stop them.
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Speaker 2: So let's wrap what's your message to Australia.
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Speaker 3: By the Muslim brotherhood. Do not tolerate people who do
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Speaker 3: not tolerate you and treat your country like your home,
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Speaker 3: and treat the citizens like your children, care about them.
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Speaker 3: Future is really dark if you're going to allow these
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Speaker 3: guys to be the elites the Muslim brotherhood, to be
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Speaker 3: the elites of your society. You have a great history.
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Speaker 3: Protect your civilization. If I'm saying protect your civilization, this
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Speaker 3: is a huge warning, a huge warning. And my heart,
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Speaker 3: my hand is on my heart when I speak about Australia.
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Speaker 3: I have visited Australia and I have seen the recent
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Speaker 3: attack when it happens in against the Jewish community. This
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Speaker 3: is not what Australia is about. It's so diverse, it's
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Speaker 3: so amazing. But I know, just ask yourself some part
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Speaker 3: of Sydney. You know you and I know that a
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Speaker 3: Jewish Orthodox cannot show his identity.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and thank you. Thank you for your honesty, thank
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Speaker 2: you for your advice and your warnings. Let's hope we
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Speaker 2: hate them.
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Speaker 3: Thank you together with standing together.
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Speaker 2: With rape Well last week at the National Press Club,
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Speaker 2: and Hanson reopened the debate on multiculturalism this morning on
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Speaker 2: Breakfast TV. She went further, arguing that instead of many cultures,
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Speaker 2: we need one distinct Australian culture.
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Speaker 4: It's about being united, a strong under the one culture
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Speaker 4: and everyone be treated the same under one law. I'm
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Speaker 4: not saying forget where you came from or your cultural background,
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Speaker 4: by no means. When we actually go to the Olympics,
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Speaker 4: we represent our nation like the socceros. It's all under
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Speaker 4: one flag and that's the Australian flag. That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: Now the flag shouldn't be controversy, but it is, and predictably,
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Speaker 2: of course, after those comments, the left reacted with outrage,
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Speaker 2: including this from the Prime Minister and others.
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Speaker 5: Not a complex question, Firs, We've never been to monoculture.
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Speaker 6: Not for this side of the house.
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Speaker 5: This rubbish playing foot sea with the monoculture language.
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Speaker 7: Being pushed around by the One Nation Party.
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Speaker 2: But what Hanson said about the need for a country
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Speaker 2: to have and protect its own culture is not as
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Speaker 2: controversial as some want to make out. Indeed, it's very
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Speaker 2: much a topical debate in places like Japan and Hereto.
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Speaker 2: In Britain, critics say that multiculturalism has failed countries in
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Speaker 2: the West who are losing their cultural foundation as large
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Speaker 2: waves of newcomers arrive and no longer assimilate. Now that
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Speaker 2: doesn't rule out immigration. They argue. As a country, you
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Speaker 2: can be multi racial, but you can't be multi cultural.
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Speaker 2: Its culture must be embraced by all in order to
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Speaker 2: build a cohesive society. Now in London, this debate is raging,
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Speaker 2: and so when I got out and about yesterday after
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Speaker 2: I left the studio, I spoke to Everyday Britz about
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Speaker 2: the shock resignation of yes yet another prime minister. But
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Speaker 2: I also asked for their reflections on where they think
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Speaker 2: their country is at present, how it's traveling now. Clearly
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Speaker 2: there's a deep cultural malaise here. Britain is a nation
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Speaker 2: divided and a big part of what is dividing them
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Speaker 2: is uncontrolled migration and weak or non existent leadership. I'd
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Speaker 2: already planned to do a sit down interview with prominent
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Speaker 2: historian and broadcaster rape Hadelbangkoup, but this issue and my
15:41
Speaker 2: conversations earlier in the day ended up being a big
15:45
Speaker 2: focus of our discussion. Rape, thank you for joining me.
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Speaker 2: I was down at lambeth Bridge this morning and speaking
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Speaker 2: to people. Clearly a huge consideration not just with how
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Speaker 2: they are feeling, but also I guess where they think
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Speaker 2: their country is headed was immigration and not just the
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Speaker 2: volume of people coming through, but what it is doing
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Speaker 2: to the culture of their country. And to say that
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Speaker 2: it's to say that it's a big concern probably be understanding.
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Speaker 2: The problem is that your sense of things, it.
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Speaker 8: Is an understatement. For many people. This is an existential crisis.
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Speaker 8: It's a struggle for the very soul of Britain. And
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Speaker 8: you know, you just have to go up and down
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Speaker 8: the spine of this country from the old sort of
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Speaker 8: milltone towns in the north of England down to London.
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Speaker 8: People's communities have been completely changed beyond all recognition within
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Speaker 8: the space of one generation. You know, we've had more
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Speaker 8: immigration to Britain in the last twenty years than in
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Speaker 8: the last two thousand years combined. And no society can
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Speaker 8: sustain such such rapid change.
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Speaker 2: So if you think it's crook here, you're basically telling
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Speaker 2: Australians we should be on guard.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, honestly, look to what's happening in Britain and understand
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Speaker 8: the lessons that can be learned.
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Speaker 2: The left say that multiculturalism is a good thing.
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Speaker 8: Well, barely a week goes past when you don't have
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Speaker 8: a politician or a police commissioner saying diversity is our.
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Speaker 2: Greatest correct strength.
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Speaker 8: I'm afraid we've had the experiment. There's no evidence for
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Speaker 8: it whatsoever. And this is not an attack against immigration
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Speaker 8: per se. This is about mass immigration. This is not
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Speaker 8: an attack on having some diversity. Of course, some diversity
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Speaker 8: is good, but it is the level of super diversity
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Speaker 8: we have today that is fraying the social fabric of
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Speaker 8: this country. We have stopped celebrating Western culture and Western civilization.
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Speaker 8: We've engaged in cultural relativism. And because we are prioritizing
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Speaker 8: and promoting minority cultures at the expense of the what
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Speaker 8: should be the one prevailing culture, Australian identity, which should
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Speaker 8: you know, all people together. We now have a situation
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Speaker 8: in this country where, you know, twenty years ago two
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Speaker 8: thousand and four, eighty one percent of British youth were
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Speaker 8: proud to be British. Today, after twenty years of the
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Speaker 8: long march through the institutions by the left, forty percent
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Speaker 8: of the youth in this country are proud to be British.
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Speaker 8: Just imagine that. It's a decline of fifty percent in
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Speaker 8: twenty years of levels of pride in this country.
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Speaker 6: There they're insulting other people by putting the British leg up. Now,
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Speaker 6: I am Irish, my family all live here. But if
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Speaker 6: in Ireland we were allowed to fly the Irish like,
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Speaker 6: why can't do the Brits fly the British leg?
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Speaker 2: Do you think Britain can get it to my job?
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Speaker 6: No, not the way they're going anywhere.
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Speaker 2: Well, as I said at lambuth Bridge today, time and
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Speaker 2: time again came up the reality that they don't feel
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Speaker 2: they could even fly the flag anymore, that flying either
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Speaker 2: the Union Jack or the English flag considered racist in
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Speaker 2: some way.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and none of this is about not having a
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Speaker 8: multi racial society. This is about multiculturalism.
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Speaker 2: And this is such an important distinction.
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Speaker 8: It's a very important distinction because people often say, well,
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Speaker 8: how can you have all people be talking about this
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Speaker 8: sort of a thing. Well, the fact is, as long
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Speaker 8: as you subscribe to the values of the culture you're
18:56
Speaker 8: you're living in, as long as you subscribe to Western
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Speaker 8: values and beliefs, then you can valuable contribution. But if
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Speaker 8: you refuse to integrate, and if you cleave to a
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Speaker 8: system of values, that is so, that is so at
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Speaker 8: odds in terms of the wider British or American or
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Speaker 8: Australian culture then clearly we're going to have a problem
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Speaker 8: going down the line.
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Speaker 2: I also watched the heavy election of in pays that
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Speaker 2: are basically in Payce for Gahaza. They're not just people
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Speaker 2: who are standing for office in Britain who happen to
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Speaker 2: be Muslim, but there are people with a very activist
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Speaker 2: hardline a gender to implement in this country.
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Speaker 8: Yes, it's quite clear to see that what we've got
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Speaker 8: now is a group of people in this country who
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Speaker 8: are determined to try to create in essence, their homelands
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Speaker 8: within Great Britain. And one of the things is the
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Speaker 8: attack on free speech in this country is famous President
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Speaker 8: Trump and America. It's constantly referring to the fact that
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Speaker 8: there's a stamping down on free speech. That's quite clearly
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Speaker 8: because of mass immigration. We wouldn't have a free speech
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Speaker 8: crisis in Britain were it not for mass immigration.
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Speaker 2: My audience feel them. They're nodding away at everything you're
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Speaker 2: saying here. If you wanted to give Australians a message,
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Speaker 2: what would your message be.
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Speaker 8: Believe in yourselves, be strong, be confident as search your
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Speaker 8: own national culture and your national identity. Britain, Australia, the West,
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Speaker 8: we were at our strongest when we knew who we
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Speaker 8: were and we weren't naval gazing, nihilistic and wearing horsehair shirts.
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Speaker 8: We must once again turn national self loathing into love
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Speaker 8: of nation. Once you believe in yourselves and assert yourself,
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Speaker 8: the pre eminence of our culture will surely dominate, because
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Speaker 8: it is the greatest culture western civilization that the world
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Speaker 8: has ever produced. And we need to be proud of
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Speaker 8: it and defend it, because if we don't defend it,
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Speaker 8: world is it forever?
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Speaker 2: Right haydl Mankou, You're amazing. Thank you for that. It's
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Speaker 2: a shot the arm I think we all need my pleasure.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Krebler the London interviews.
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Speaker 2: But now let's come back to some big issues here,
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Speaker 2: of course, the rise of radical Islam in Britain. It's
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Speaker 2: come to Australia too, as we know so tragically with
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Speaker 2: the Bondai massacre, and so to better understand the scale
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Speaker 2: of the threat, I sat down with an expert. His
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Speaker 2: name's Robin Simcox and until recently he was the British
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Speaker 2: Government's Commissioner for Countering Extremism. Thank you for your time.
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Speaker 2: Islamic terror attacks have been affecting our stately of Britain
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Speaker 2: for some time, have the politicians been slow to confront
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Speaker 2: even the language the terms radical Islam.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think our response to radical Islam, Islamism, whatever
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Speaker 5: you want to call it, has been has been slow
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Speaker 5: in this country over a period of time. And really
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Speaker 5: contactarism police and my five have disrupted a lot of plots,
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Speaker 5: including some late stage ones, but getting to that root
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Speaker 5: of the problem, the ideas, the ideology, how to kind
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Speaker 5: of dismantle this whole architecture of ideas that radical Islam,
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Speaker 5: the groups around the Muslim brotherhood Al Qaeda Issis have propagated.
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Speaker 5: I think we're as we're in the dark on that
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Speaker 5: now in twenty twenty six as much as who were
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Speaker 5: at the start of the century.
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Speaker 2: And it's not I guess, just the risk of who
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Speaker 2: you important the ideas that they come with. You're right,
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Speaker 2: there are organizations well funded by a number of even
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Speaker 2: nation states that are pushing the idea, a lot of
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Speaker 2: ideology online that are pushing it into universities and amongst
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Speaker 2: young people, and of course in this country and my own,
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Speaker 2: we have some really radical preachers in mosques getting the
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Speaker 2: message out.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And so I think the point you raise there
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Speaker 5: is a really important one, because sometimes I feel that
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Speaker 5: there is more comfort from governments like mine and perhaps
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Speaker 5: like yours talking about the online component, and online obviously
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Speaker 5: is something we have to be cognizant of. We know
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Speaker 5: the fact that sermons, radical messages can spread much faster
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Speaker 5: than they once could. But I do think we've missed
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Speaker 5: a bit of a beat on the hyper local, street
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Speaker 5: level element what's being said, For example, in mosques, if
23:18
Speaker 5: you look at what was what was being said post
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Speaker 5: seventh of October and the attacks in Israel was unbelievably
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Speaker 5: ince injury, right, and so, but have we really had
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Speaker 5: got a proper grasp in this country about what's being
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Speaker 5: said at that kind of hyper local, granular level, what's
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Speaker 5: being taught, what's being encouraged. I don't think we do.
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Speaker 5: And part of that's down to resourcing, but part of
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Speaker 5: it's also down to I think a bit of a
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Speaker 5: tepidness and a nervousness that we might not like the
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Speaker 5: answers that we that we found if we asked the question.
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Speaker 2: And why is that? Is it? The political clout of
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Speaker 2: them was invited in some areas well.
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Speaker 5: I think there's so many things you so many ways
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Speaker 5: to answer that question, but one of the things it
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Speaker 5: seems to me is that, well, what you left with
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Speaker 5: as a solution to some of those problems. Let's say
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Speaker 5: you find that X percentage of Moss in the country,
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Speaker 5: for example, are sympathetic to a mass or the Muslim
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Speaker 5: Brotherhood or Al Kaido or whichever is a misgroup you
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Speaker 5: want to discuss. Government would have to be caught up
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Speaker 5: with something. It seems to me to be quite radical
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Speaker 5: in terms of responding to that.
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Speaker 2: Do radicalization programs do they work? We're obviously in a
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Speaker 2: post BONDI Australia at the moment, and there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of talk about trying to arrest any sense, particularly young people,
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Speaker 2: that they will become radicalized. You guys started these programs
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Speaker 2: a lot earlier than anywhere else in the world, and
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Speaker 2: you've head up in the reports I've read certainly very
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Speaker 2: mixed reviews. You've been at the point end. What's your assessment.
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Speaker 5: I think they can work early in people's journey, for
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Speaker 5: want of a better word, into radicalism if you have
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Speaker 5: a correct understanding of the fact that is leading that
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Speaker 5: person to be interested in extreme ideas in the first place,
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Speaker 5: and this is where it won't always be an ideologically
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Speaker 5: driven intervention. There's also the question of what do you
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Speaker 5: do about people who have released terrorist offenders who've been released,
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Speaker 5: and how do you begin to deradicalize them. I think
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Speaker 5: our information on that is even spottier, to be frank,
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Speaker 5: and I think that the challenge is even harder because
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Speaker 5: you're dealing with, as we had this experience in the
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Speaker 5: United Kingdom, with people who can be released from prison
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Speaker 5: who have essentially pulled the wall over the eyes of
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Speaker 5: the judge.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've done the d read courses in prison, but
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Speaker 2: then they're out and they've got a knife in the
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Speaker 2: hand in the back edit right.
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Speaker 5: And we've seen this happen multiple occasions.
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Speaker 2: I look at some of your local government races, in particular,
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Speaker 2: some mirror races where the candidate isn't a brit with
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Speaker 2: a Muslim background, it is an aggressive Progazen sort of
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Speaker 2: candidate and almost an Islamist who ends up being elected
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Speaker 2: and gender this talk of Sharia law and some jurisdictions.
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Speaker 2: Of course, why would anyone who loves Britain vote for
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Speaker 2: a candidate like that?
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Speaker 5: Well, I suppose the thing that really troubled me about
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Speaker 5: the local elections recently, is that local elections meant to
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Speaker 5: be about bin collections, street lights, roads, road It's meant
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Speaker 5: to be about the anodyne things that make Enables a
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Speaker 5: good place to live, the basics. The idea that you
26:29
Speaker 5: would then want to spend your time not looking to
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Speaker 5: address those local issues but focusing on Gaza and Palestine
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Speaker 5: just seems to me to be such a fundamental breakdown
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Speaker 5: of the contract between how this is meant to work
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Speaker 5: as a functioning society.
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Speaker 2: So this is a debate, isn't it, between multiculturalism and monoculturalism. Generally?
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Speaker 5: I think the UK has been a really successful multi
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Speaker 5: ethnic democracy. But success lies on the idea that there
26:57
Speaker 5: is a kind of common call to a theme which
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Speaker 5: you can riff off and they'll be.
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Speaker 2: It makes you British's British.
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Speaker 5: And so and I think, honestly, I think most people
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Speaker 5: want to retain that. I think most of our friends
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Speaker 5: and overseas, our allies overseas, want us to retain that.
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Speaker 7: Right.
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Speaker 9: There are things we do we do because we are
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Speaker 9: we are.
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Speaker 5: But we have to defend it. It's not going to
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Speaker 5: defend itself, right, And if you don't defend it, then
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Speaker 5: it will be eroded slowly and slowly and slowly, but surely,
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Speaker 5: because there are lots of lots of competing ideologies who
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Speaker 5: are playing for keeps essentially right. And if you think
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Speaker 5: about radical Islam is Islamic extremism. It's an aggressive and
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Speaker 5: expansionist ideology that has no real interest in coexisting with
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Speaker 5: what it thinks your values are or democratic principles.
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Speaker 2: So as I was getting it out and about yesterday
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Speaker 2: and today and I talked to ordinary people out in
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Speaker 2: the streets, what comes back to me is this constant
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Speaker 2: a They mentioned immigration a lot, but be the sense
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Speaker 2: of they're losing their country, they can't fly their flag,
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Speaker 2: or that feel they're allowed to be British anymore. And
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Speaker 2: one of the things I watched very closely is our
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Speaker 2: ability in your country and mind to debate some of
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Speaker 2: these difficult topics. Islamophobia is another case in point. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's difficult to talk about radical Islam if you're constantly
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Speaker 2: accused of Islamophobia, but that's an effective way to shut
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Speaker 2: you down.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 5: In the UK now there's been an attempt to introduce
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Speaker 5: what's a definition of anti Muslim hatred, which is actually
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Speaker 5: a little bit of a water down version of what
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Speaker 5: was originally going to be an islamophobia definition. My experience
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Speaker 5: in this generally is that the people shouting loudest for
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Speaker 5: in islamophobia definition tend to be the ones most keen
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Speaker 5: to shut down freedom of speech and discussion around this generally,
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Speaker 5: I just come back to this. I mean, we have
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Speaker 5: laws in place to stop hate crimes, right, We have
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Speaker 5: laws in place to stop discrimination against people for religious purposes, of.
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Speaker 1: Course we do.
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Speaker 5: We don't want people to be discriminated for religious purposes,
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Speaker 5: of course, we want to stop hate crimes against people
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Speaker 5: because their Muslim. But there's no religion or ideology in
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Speaker 5: this country that has the right to be protected from discussion,
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Speaker 5: debate and question about its concept.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Right now do I catch up with ad Warrior for
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Speaker 2: women Julie Bendle. She's a writer, feminist of course, lesbian
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Speaker 2: advocate who's spent forty years fighting for women's rights. I
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Speaker 2: mean to now see those rights come under fierce attack
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Speaker 2: with the rise of transgender ideology. It's an issue that's
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Speaker 2: red hot here as it is at home, but over
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Speaker 2: in the UK, of course, this is where former Australian
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Speaker 2: PM Julia Gillard lives now and she's come under fire
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Speaker 2: for trying to earn praises this champion for women, despite
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Speaker 2: the fact that it was her two days before she
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Speaker 2: was removed by Kevin Rudd who changed the definition of
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Speaker 2: women in this Australian Sex Discrimination Act. Now, the pleasure
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Speaker 2: of speaking to Julie a little earlier Julia Gillard before.
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Speaker 2: We know in Australia that she mainly lives in London
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Speaker 2: now and she has basically created her post political career.
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Speaker 2: It sanitized what was an awful Prime ministership for her
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Speaker 2: in terms of actual tangible outcomes to trade off this
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Speaker 2: great misogonist speech in the Parliament. But she was the one,
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Speaker 2: and everyone's waking up to this now, who first changed
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Speaker 2: the Sex Discrimination Act to be a problem for women.
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Speaker 11: Yes, well, Nicholas Sturgin, who was once First Minister in Scotland,
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Speaker 11: who created the same damage and turmoil as Gillard did
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Speaker 11: in albeit a much smaller country by introducing de facto
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Speaker 11: self id. She's also living in London, so I hope
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Speaker 11: they give each other a bit of comfort when they
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Speaker 11: become persona nong greta amongst polite society, because both of
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Speaker 11: those women are destroyers of the rights of women and girls.
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Speaker 11: I really, really hope I bump into Gillard in some
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Speaker 11: restaurant or a store somewhere, because I will very politely
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Speaker 11: tell her exactly what I think of her. And some
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Speaker 11: of these women giving away our rights that we fought
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Speaker 11: for and the rights of girls. Shame on them. Gillard,
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Speaker 11: who I think if she had any fewer brain cells
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Speaker 11: on this, you'd have to water her twice a day
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Speaker 11: going to in my country the Women's Prize for Literature
31:32
Speaker 11: and being shouted at and protested by some of my
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Speaker 11: friends and colleagues here in London. She doesn't know what
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Speaker 11: a woman is, never mind misogyny.
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Speaker 2: It started the women's movement on the left, but now
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Speaker 2: the biggest proponents of dismantling those gains are the left.
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Speaker 11: I'm still positioned on the soft left. I could never
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Speaker 11: have been involved in the hard left because it's as
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Speaker 11: crazy as a hard right in my view, and as harmful.
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Speaker 11: But I been told that I'm now on the far
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Speaker 11: right because I'm at events like ARC, because I write
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Speaker 11: for The Australian and for the Telegraph. Well, I wrote
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Speaker 11: for The Guardian for many years, and I was booted out,
32:12
Speaker 11: just as Hadley Friedman, just as Susanne Moore was, just
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Speaker 11: as those feminists that were very very well regarded by
32:18
Speaker 11: readers and by colleagues at one time, because we dared
32:22
Speaker 11: to say that women do not have a penis and
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Speaker 11: that men cannot claim to be women. This is why
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Speaker 11: we were booted out. So we will organize wherever we
32:33
Speaker 11: find kindred spirits. The left, I think needs to regroup.
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Speaker 11: Whether it ever will or not, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: She may have been subjected to unlawful discrimination on the
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Speaker 2: basis of potential pregnancy. I'm very confused. A biological mold
32:50
Speaker 2: can't become pregnant, but.
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Speaker 9: The grounds of pregnancy includes potential pregnancy as well as pregnancy.
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Speaker 2: Let's not miss doctor Enna Cony. Oh please, let's not.
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Speaker 2: She has gone around the world. You know this whole
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Speaker 2: estimates hearing. It's like a Monty Python episode, isn't it.
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Speaker 11: Oh it's beyond Monty Python. I think it's beyond parody.
33:14
Speaker 11: I feel sorry for some of our satirists and comedians
33:17
Speaker 11: who can no longer run this material because they're actually
33:20
Speaker 11: giving us a greater laugh than they ever could. Although
33:25
Speaker 11: obviously it's not funny. Cody is doing the absolute opposite
33:30
Speaker 11: of what her job is supposed to be and she
33:33
Speaker 11: thinks this will make her popular. Well, it will amongst
33:35
Speaker 11: some absolute insane extremists. But the tide will turn. We're
33:41
Speaker 11: seeing it now in the UK. We're winning our really
33:43
Speaker 11: important legal cases.
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Speaker 7: The unanimous decision of this court is that the terms
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Speaker 7: woman and sex in the Equality Act twenty to ten
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Speaker 7: refer to a biological woman and biological sex.
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Speaker 2: The fact that you had that massive win in the
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court, even labor here has tried to put back
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Speaker 2: into legislations some rights and that's the fight. Of course,
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Speaker 2: our good friend Sal Grover is waging at home.
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Speaker 11: That's right, and Sal is here and we've been talking
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Speaker 11: about the latest victory, which is more than a year
34:17
Speaker 11: on from the For Women in Scotland Supreme Court clarification
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Speaker 11: of what the law already was that Stonewall, the so
34:25
Speaker 11: called gay rights organization that became a transwites organization, have
34:29
Speaker 11: made out that it was their law that everyone should
34:31
Speaker 11: be following, which is trans women and women. So just
34:34
Speaker 11: over a year on from that, For Women in Scotland
34:36
Speaker 11: went back to court again against Scottish ministers and this
34:41
Speaker 11: affects the whole of the UK of course, to confirm
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Speaker 11: that it is dangerous to put men however they identify
34:50
Speaker 11: or address, in prison with women because the women are
34:54
Speaker 11: a vulnerable group. Now what Sturgeon said, and no doubt
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Speaker 11: this is Gillard's point as well, is that trans identified
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Speaker 11: men aren't safe in men's prisons. Okay, so why put
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Speaker 11: them in women's prisons where the women aren't safe.
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Speaker 2: You aren't confident that you've turned the tide here and
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Speaker 2: that we will be able to turn the tide at home.
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Speaker 11: You will turn the tide and it will happen very quickly.
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Speaker 11: This is my prediction if I'm right.
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Speaker 2: Please have me back on the absolutely well, Julie Well,
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Speaker 2: I could only hope for that. So good to see
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Speaker 2: you you two. You're in fine form as always, Thank
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Speaker 2: you very.
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Speaker 1: Much, Gredlin the London interviews.
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Speaker 2: But I also caught up with another person who has
35:39
Speaker 2: spent decades in the field of counter terrorism. She's a
35:42
Speaker 2: former detective from the New Scotland Yard and her name
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Speaker 2: is Laura Pond. I thought it would be so good
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Speaker 2: to talk to you given your years of counter terrorism
35:52
Speaker 2: experience as a former detective at New Scotland Yard. One
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Speaker 2: of the issues that I'm discussing here, and it's got
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Speaker 2: such irrelevance back to Australia, particularly post the bond Bo
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Speaker 2: massacre in my country is terrorism and radical Islam, and
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Speaker 2: sadly Briton's had to come to groups with that for
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Speaker 2: many decades.
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Speaker 9: We've learned the hardway.
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Speaker 12: We've learned through many attacks over here and many attack
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Speaker 12: planning that has been foiled. So yes, we are further
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Speaker 12: down that road, I would say.
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Speaker 2: And you've got the issue of the homegrown terrorist. You know,
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Speaker 2: British born subjects. You've got obviously people who end up
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Speaker 2: in prison, who become radicalized in prison with often and
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Speaker 2: really brutal consequences. But now you've got this flood of
36:41
Speaker 2: migration across the borders too, so you know a lot
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Speaker 2: of the people that are coming out are fighting age
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Speaker 2: males from countries that are pretty radical.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, we've got it coming from a number
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Speaker 12: of fronts. We've obviously got the small boats coming across
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Speaker 12: the Channel hundreds each day. We have a route through
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Speaker 12: the Republic of Ireland into Northern Ireland which often leads
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Speaker 12: to the mainstream and we have. We have a number
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Speaker 12: of directions that they are coming from, many of them
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Speaker 12: from war torn countries, from countries that have you know,
37:22
Speaker 12: that have they have been radicalized, They have got some
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Speaker 12: extreme views and they're coming over here, some with intentions
37:30
Speaker 12: to do things, some just vulnerable to that sort of
37:34
Speaker 12: radicalization that that will you know, will creep in once
37:37
Speaker 12: they're here and they've got the means and the you know,
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Speaker 12: the space to do it in. So we do fight
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Speaker 12: it from many directions.
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Speaker 2: And particularly in the North, you've got some radical mosques
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Speaker 2: that even if they arrive and they're not radicalized, the
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Speaker 2: risk is here they get in with a particular community
37:54
Speaker 2: and that could eventuate. How big a problem is radical
37:57
Speaker 2: Islam in Britain, It's.
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Speaker 12: A really significant problem. It's I mean, there's a number
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Speaker 12: of ideologies that are a problem that are increasing. One
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Speaker 12: of ours is this unstable, this mixed ideology that's really
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Speaker 12: growing at the moment where no one really knows they'll
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Speaker 12: be pulling bits from different ideologies.
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Speaker 9: That's increasing fast time.
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Speaker 12: However, I think it's sixty seven percent of our terrorist
38:25
Speaker 12: attack since twenty eighteen have been an Islamist ideology. It's
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Speaker 12: three quarters of MI I five's workload is Islamist ideology.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this is a scourge that will stay
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Speaker 2: with Britain now forever?
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Speaker 9: I think we're I think it's here to stay. You know.
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Speaker 9: I don't want to scaremong er.
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Speaker 12: I don't want to panic and say, you know, it's
38:46
Speaker 12: we all live on a knife edge moving forward. We
38:48
Speaker 12: have got very good at spotting things. We've got very
38:51
Speaker 12: good at the preventing the attack, foiling and that sort
38:55
Speaker 12: of thing. Figures are always impressive. So the trend heads
38:59
Speaker 12: in the right direction. But is it going to disappear?
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Speaker 12: Radicalization extremism won't disappear.
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Speaker 2: One of the fascinating, probably harrowing jobs you've had is
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Speaker 2: trying to stop young people in the eye of the
39:18
Speaker 2: storm of Islamic State leaving this country to join the caliphate.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, that was when when I first joined the counter
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Speaker 12: Terrorism Command.
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Speaker 9: I had a detective background.
39:31
Speaker 12: I've been the main office, ideas we call it. So
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Speaker 12: I've been investigating various crimes and then I find myself
39:38
Speaker 12: in the cown's terrorism world at the height of Isis,
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Speaker 12: I would say, and the the real threat where people
39:46
Speaker 12: were going you know, almost daily in some in some
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Speaker 12: places to you know, to join the caliphate, to support
39:53
Speaker 12: in some way, shape or.
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Speaker 2: Form, and a lot of them the women, I mean,
39:57
Speaker 2: we know what a lot of them men did, but
39:58
Speaker 2: a lot of the women were involved in acts of
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Speaker 2: tourism and I think they got themselves into a lot
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Speaker 2: of trouble when they're away. Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, by all accounts, yes, they weren't. Obviously they went there,
40:13
Speaker 12: and many of them were part of the family. You know,
40:15
Speaker 12: they were married to isis husbands, they had children and
40:20
Speaker 12: things like that. But there is a lot of intelligence
40:22
Speaker 12: to suggest that they were involved in what was going
40:25
Speaker 12: on in some way, shape or form.
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Speaker 2: Not many of them have come back here, have they?
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Speaker 9: No, No, we've not had many back at all.
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Speaker 2: So so how have you kept them out of Britain?
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Speaker 12: We've deprived them of their nationality in many cases if
40:42
Speaker 12: we have the ability, if they are dual national or
40:45
Speaker 12: if they've got a claim to state ships somewhere else,
40:49
Speaker 12: that we can through.
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Speaker 9: The judicial process, we will revoke their.
40:52
Speaker 12: Passport, their nationality and they physically can't come back. And
40:56
Speaker 12: we have done that, and there's I mean, there's some
40:58
Speaker 12: very high profile cases we've done on that. But yeah,
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Speaker 12: if we can, we have and we've stuck by it.
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Speaker 2: And why is it? Why do you not want them back?
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Speaker 12: Because at the end of the day, they are a
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Speaker 12: risk to national security and I think everyone would say,
41:13
Speaker 12: in an ideal world, we would bring them back and
41:15
Speaker 12: we would put them through the criminal justice process, you know,
41:18
Speaker 12: because they're innocent until proven guilty. However, when you're talking
41:24
Speaker 12: about what we're talking about and where it happened and
41:26
Speaker 12: things like that, you can't. You don't necessarily have that
41:30
Speaker 12: evidence that can be used in a court place.
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Speaker 2: To meet stands of a British course.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, to convict someone.
41:38
Speaker 12: We have a very high freshold and rightly so, but
41:41
Speaker 12: we have to put.
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Speaker 9: Our evidence in front of a jury.
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Speaker 12: Now, if you've got evidence that is intelligence that affects
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Speaker 12: national security, we can't.
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Speaker 9: Just whap that out in a course. See I see,
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Speaker 9: So there.
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Speaker 12: Will be intelligence and you can't necessarily you try it
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Speaker 12: on the tab, you can't necessarily put them on I mean,
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Speaker 12: I think in a ideal world that we often talk about,
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Speaker 12: you would be able to you bring them back, you'd
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Speaker 12: secure them, you'd risk assess it, and you'd put them
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Speaker 12: through the criminal justice process.
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Speaker 9: But that's not always. We're not always in an ideal world,
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Speaker 9: are we.
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Speaker 2: One of the great things about being here at ARC
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Speaker 2: in person is all the stuff that goes on behind me.
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Speaker 2: Down there. There's a vast space before you get into
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Speaker 2: the auditorium and all of these groups have got stands
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Speaker 2: set up, and this is where the delegates can move
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Speaker 2: around in between sessions. They can have the discussions, the debates,
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Speaker 2: the books are out there and no one's shouted down,
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Speaker 2: of course, no one's canceled. No topic is off limits.
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Speaker 2: And we took a camera down there after I spoke
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Speaker 2: to Julie to catch up with a Sex Matters group.
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Speaker 2: These are the women who, years before it was mainstream
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Speaker 2: belt the cat on gender ideology, took on the fight
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Speaker 2: and they are the movement that we're all trying to
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Speaker 2: support in at and around the world. This is all
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Speaker 2: about women's biological rights. You've written a book about Turfile
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Speaker 2: and the fight for women's rights in the UK. Why
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Speaker 2: did you get ahead of the gender self, I d
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Speaker 2: that's been such a big issue at home.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, there were some really brave women who woke up
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Speaker 13: to this round about twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, and that's
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Speaker 13: what I've written about in my book the big campaigns
43:37
Speaker 13: that have enabled us to resist that inexorable momentum of
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Speaker 13: trans demands. So one of them was about protecting children
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Speaker 13: from puberty blockers. We're still fighting that fight, but at
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Speaker 13: least it's in the open.
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Speaker 2: And then the other.
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Speaker 13: One was stopping the law from being changed to simply
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Speaker 13: let men identify as women and change their birth certificates.
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Speaker 13: Australia has got football teams, football teams with five male players, and.
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Speaker 2: Of course they win everything.
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Speaker 13: So it's devastating and it's no longer a matter of
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Speaker 13: just accommodating a few people. Until you can talk about
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Speaker 13: this with some surety that you will not lose your job,
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Speaker 13: you can't get anywhere. You have got to establish free
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Speaker 13: speech on the fact that there are two sexes.
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Speaker 14: I lost my job for tweeting about this in twenty
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Speaker 14: nineteen when the UK government was consulting on whether to
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Speaker 14: change the law to make it easier for people to
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Speaker 14: just sign a piece of paper and change their sex.
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Speaker 14: People should be able to express their beliefs whatever they
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Speaker 14: are in a democratic society, because that's what you need
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Speaker 14: for bad ideas to be debated. And I lost initially,
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Speaker 14: and that's what brought JK Rowling into this debate. And
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Speaker 14: then I appealed and I won, and it created a
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Speaker 14: precedent which means other people in the UK can't lose
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Speaker 14: their job for saying that sex is real.
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Speaker 13: A majority of people in the UK in Australia, I
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Speaker 13: do know that this is a problem.
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Speaker 2: They haven't reached the.
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Speaker 13: Point yet where a majority are willing to talk about
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Speaker 13: it because it's risky. But I think she's right that
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Speaker 13: we'll gather.
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Speaker 2: The left will always use these days of extreme heat
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Speaker 2: to say it's proof of climate change. But I will
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Speaker 2: admit thirty six yesterday in London record high for June.
45:22
Speaker 2: It's hot. It's hot anywhere, right, but it's hot in
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Speaker 2: a city because they've not adapted, right. They don't have
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Speaker 2: the infrastructure to keep up. They're not particularly resilient either.
45:31
Speaker 2: The problems in many respects. So as I finished up yesterday,
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Speaker 2: I said I would I'd take a camera crew and
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Speaker 2: I get out on the streets of London to show
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Speaker 2: how they were coping with the heat. Well here you go.
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Speaker 2: Well it was record temperatures today in London. I promised
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Speaker 2: you I'd get out and about amongst it to see
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Speaker 2: how they're coping with the heat. It's just not cut
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Speaker 2: out for it in this in this like, we're just
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Speaker 2: not used to it. If you're a little bit miserable,
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. Also at the same time happy,
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Speaker 2: but it's hard.
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Speaker 12: It's like a sawn.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're there in your suit, which isn't great.
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Speaker 3: The infrastructure is not great for we're not built for it.
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Speaker 2: Here you the winging palm variety, or you're just lapping
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Speaker 2: it up, loving it.
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Speaker 10: Okay, interesting, Ozzie. I'm lapping it up to be fair
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Speaker 10: good on you, as we all should know. Open the
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Speaker 10: windows at night, closed the windows during the day, the
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Speaker 10: most of it.
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Speaker 3: How to be the heat?
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Speaker 5: Cheers, guys, cheers.
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Speaker 2: Why can't they cope with the heat?
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Speaker 10: I'm not sure. I think I think the Londoners are
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Speaker 10: a bit soft. They're probably not as quite used to
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Speaker 10: it as we. It's piece of bes back home, but
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Speaker 10: you know, they're not quite you know, ac primatized to it.
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Speaker 2: But I'm they don't have the same sort of air
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Speaker 2: conditioning as you.
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Speaker 10: I'm not usually I jump in the you or something
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Speaker 10: when't I.
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Speaker 2: You got your best on? Look at tube? Are you hot? No?
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Speaker 2: What you Indians. Don't feel here about you boys.
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Speaker 5: It's too hot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're boiling. English is not We're not equipped for this. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: this is not US. This is a Caribbean.
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Speaker 11: I locked up my holiday.
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Speaker 9: And he's twenty seven where I'm going on a holiday
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Speaker 9: and he's thirty five here?
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Speaker 2: How is that?
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Speaker 13: In Cydrus it's twenty seven on here's thirty five.
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Speaker 2: It's that English weather. So I think I've been a
47:36
Speaker 2: bit hard on the British for a long time. I
47:39
Speaker 2: used to say, you know, the winging that carried on
47:41
Speaker 2: when the day was in the mid thirties was a
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Speaker 2: bit over the top, particularly for US Australians. It's not
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Speaker 2: a city that's built for the heat. The tubes have
47:51
Speaker 2: stopped working. The people are stripping off in the street
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Speaker 2: and they're hitting the parts as you can see behind
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Speaker 2: me tonight, trying to cool off before they head home.
48:09
Speaker 2: Well there you have at some thought provoking interviews, haven't
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Speaker 2: they been? And of course to hear from ordinary brutes,
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Speaker 2: their concerns are our concerns, And so many said to me,
48:19
Speaker 2: don't let Australia become like Britain. You've got a chance
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Speaker 2: to change course, they say, don't wait too long, so
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Speaker 2: thank you for your company. I've loved having you with
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Speaker 2: me here in London. That's it for Kredline, see you soon.