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Tammy Hembrow’s Brownlow Snub · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, Adele Petropoulos
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  Speaker 1: dramatically calls off her wedding, Tammy Hembrough's psychologist urged her
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  Speaker 1: not to marry Matt Zukowski, Anna McAvoy's torturous travel day
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  Speaker 1: and Steph Clare Smith's postpartum rage. But first, Lily Brown
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  Speaker 1: and Jet Kenny are officially engaged. The former gladiator popped
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  Speaker 1: the question during their holiday in Europe after almost three
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  Speaker 1: years together. I had to do a double take when
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  Speaker 1: I saw this. I was like, is it actually true
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  Speaker 1: this time? Because there's been so many engagement rumours. There's
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  Speaker 1: also been pregnancy rumours which were sparked by Jet Kenny
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  Speaker 1: and some weird post of Lily as an animated egg.
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  Speaker 1: That was bizarre. Well, this is actually true. It's coming
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  Speaker 1: from Lily. She broke the news on her Instagram by
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  Speaker 1: sharing a Lady and the Tramp style video. of her
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  Speaker 1: and Jet eating this piece of pasta and kissing. And
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  Speaker 1: in it, Lily grabs his face to show off this
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  Speaker 1: massive engagement ring. You can't see it that well. It
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  Speaker 1: looks like it's a rectangular diamond, which is refreshing because
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  Speaker 1: I feel like all we've seen lately is oval diamonds.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with those. I have an oval diamond. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: they are stunning. Now, she captioned the post, that's amore,
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  Speaker 1: and did a ton of emojis. There were crying faces,
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  Speaker 1: love hearts, rings, Italian flags. So they did get engaged
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  Speaker 1: in Italy, it appears. Well, you say appears because we
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  Speaker 1: actually haven't seen the post-out sales because Lily Brown blocked
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  Speaker 1: our accounts on Instagram after that smelly pajama incident. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I felt so desperate because someone posted it in the
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  Speaker 1: group and I had to be like, can anyone share
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  Speaker 1: some more details? Send me a screenshot. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what's happening. Yeah, well, that's where I saw the news
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  Speaker 1: first and I actually didn't know who the people were
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  Speaker 1: because it was a screenshot of the video and I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't see the handle. Yeah, a lot of people in
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  Speaker 1: our Facebook community were also confused. They were saying, I'm
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  Speaker 1: so happy for this couple. This is lovely news, but
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  Speaker 1: all I'm seeing is bald at the moment because Jet
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  Speaker 1: Kenny is rocking a bald head. Yeah, they're like, who
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  Speaker 1: are these people? But once people knew who it was,
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  Speaker 1: there has been a lot of excitement about this engagement.
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  Speaker 1: Lily's post has been absolutely flooded with positive messages and
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  Speaker 1: And she took to her Instagram story to thank her followers.
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  Speaker 1: So she said, thank you all so much for the comments, texts,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. We're so overwhelmed with the love. We are
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  Speaker 1: very much in the bubble right now. Such a whirlwind
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  Speaker 1: of a week. Genuinely have been waking up every day
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  Speaker 1: since it happened, thinking it was a dream. Can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to share more soon, but for now, soaking it all up.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if Jet's father, now that they're engaged, will
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  Speaker 1: want them out of the house because they are currently
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  Speaker 1: living with him at the moment. Well, it makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Jet had to save up for this beautiful
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  Speaker 1: engagement ring and a trip to Europe.
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  Speaker 2: My bands flew on a flight with all the boys
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  Speaker 2: to go to Vegas today for a box.
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  Speaker 3: Enjoy yourselves, boys.
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  Speaker 2: Have the best time in the fucking universe.
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  Speaker 3: You enjoy.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what this man left me with?
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  Speaker 5: A single fucking egg.
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  Speaker 1: Adele Petropoulos has shocked her followers by announcing she's cancelling
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  Speaker 1: her wedding just three months out from the big day.
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  Speaker 1: In a bid to turn a negative into a positive,
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  Speaker 1: the TikToker is doing a massive wedding giveaway for her followers.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into the drama, Kate, firstly, who is Adele?
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't actually familiar with Adele before this news broke,
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  Speaker 1: but I am now a massive fan of her. I
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  Speaker 1: was just scrolling her content and laughing so much. I
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  Speaker 1: got so deep into her profile. So she is a
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  Speaker 1: 30-year-old influencer with 158,000 followers on TikTok and 40,000 on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: She is a makeup artist and Pilates instructor and films
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  Speaker 1: a lot of cooking with me videos. She's just so funny.
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  Speaker 1: I love her takes on things and she speaks a
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  Speaker 1: lot about her Greek heritage. Now she was engaged to Anthony.
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  Speaker 1: She calls him Anther on her profile and they had
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  Speaker 1: been dating since 2020. So they actually met on a
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  Speaker 1: dating app and six weeks into their relationship had to
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  Speaker 1: decide whether they were going to go into lockdown with
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  Speaker 1: each other. And she's pretty big in the influencer space.
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  Speaker 1: She is currently the face of a Maybelline ad. I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't familiar with her content before she called off her
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  Speaker 1: wedding either. And now I just can't get enough of it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is so engaging and enthralling. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: keeps popping up in my algorithm now, which I'm very
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  Speaker 1: thankful for. Now, to give this story more context, I
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  Speaker 1: want to take you back a couple of months. So
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  Speaker 1: in July, Adele's fiance, Anthony, went on a week-long trip
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  Speaker 1: to Vegas with his mates for a Bucks party. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if it wasn't bad enough that Adele's fiance was on
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  Speaker 1: a boy's trip to Vegas, to add insult to injury,
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  Speaker 1: while he was gone, the ceiling in their bedroom of
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  Speaker 1: their apartment started leaking. So poor Adele was forced to
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  Speaker 1: deal with the cleanup and sleep in her makeup room
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  Speaker 1: while it was all being fixed. Of course, it was
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  Speaker 1: fixed just in time for Anthony to get home. Gosh,
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  Speaker 1: can you imagine the text messages going back and forward
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  Speaker 1: on this trip? I would not be pleased. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: she actually shared one of the videos that she sent him.
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  Speaker 1: They had these big industrial fans in there trying to
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  Speaker 1: clear it all up. Now, before Anthony's flight home, he
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  Speaker 1: told Adele that he had a present for her, which
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  Speaker 1: he bought on the last day of the trip. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Adele shared the news to her TikTok followers saying this.
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  Speaker 2: My fiance is in the doghouse. He is in the
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  Speaker 2: woof woof house. I've got to be quick because I've
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  Speaker 2: got to run in and go to go teach my classes.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: How I know he's in the doghouse. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why he's in the doghouse yet.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Boys are coming back from a week long trip in Vegas.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: Vegas. Yeah, God knows what happened in Vegas. What happens
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  Speaker 2: in Vegas? Shut the fuck up. Come back home. Right here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to hose him down in bleach before he
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  Speaker 2: comes home. He did buy me a present though.
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  Speaker 8: All right.
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  Speaker 3: My theory is the bougie of the present.
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  Speaker 1: What has he done to be sorry for? So she
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  Speaker 1: did pick up on a vibe that something was going
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  Speaker 1: down on this trip. What did he bring back for her? Well,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't looking good because she unpacked on camera a
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  Speaker 1: designer handbag and she looked pretty shocked when she opened
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  Speaker 1: the parcel and she goes, I'm sorry for ripping into you.
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  Speaker 1: So you could tell that they'd been fighting. And Anthony
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  Speaker 1: said it was also for her upcoming 30th and joked
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  Speaker 1: for Christmas and New Year's too, because this bag retails
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  Speaker 1: for around $ 5, 000. Well, followers began speculating that he must
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  Speaker 1: have done something bad in Vegas off the back of
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  Speaker 1: Adele's original video about him being in the doghouse. So
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  Speaker 1: this gif seemed to spark a lot of conversation. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: tongue in cheek because Adele had said, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: what must he have done? And that's her sense of humor.
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  Speaker 1: I actually had a colleague, maybe I shouldn't say colleague,
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  Speaker 1: but an ex-colleague who told me that her ex-boyfriend bought
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  Speaker 1: her a designer bag the day before he married someone else,
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  Speaker 1: almost as a bit of a sorry present. What do
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  Speaker 1: you mean? So he sent it to her? No, he
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  Speaker 1: arrived at her doorstep with a designer bag literally the
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  Speaker 1: day before he got married. So did she know he
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  Speaker 1: was getting married? Yeah, she did. Oh, my God. Is
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  Speaker 1: that sort of a bit of a shut-up present? Like
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  Speaker 1: was there stuff going on before the wedding? Look, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know all of the ins and outs, but I
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  Speaker 1: feel like there must have been something going on behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes. So should we all be pleased that our
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  Speaker 1: partners have never bought us a designer handbag? Is that
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  Speaker 1: a sign of guilt, is it?
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  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Now, in August, the couple traveled to Europe for a
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  Speaker 1: friend's wedding and Adele shared a lot of travel vlogs
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  Speaker 1: throughout the trip. And on the 3rd of September, while
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  Speaker 1: they were in Athens, she unexpectedly shared this written statement
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  Speaker 1: saying that she would be stepping back from social media
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  Speaker 1: for a little bit to focus on some personal matters.
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  Speaker 1: And she said she would be back online and share
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  Speaker 1: more when she was ready. Now, the day before she
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  Speaker 1: had posted, as usual, she was in Athens with Anthony.
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  Speaker 1: She ended up taking a hiatus for a couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 1: but then jumped back online to share a video of
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  Speaker 1: her in bed with texts that read PTSD loading and
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  Speaker 1: a caption that said offline for a reason. We now
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  Speaker 1: know what that reason was. So last week, Adele announced
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  Speaker 1: that she was cancelling her wedding just three months out
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  Speaker 1: from the big day. Let's throw to some of what
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  Speaker 1: she said.
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  Speaker 5: Do you know what I didn't have on my bingo
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  Speaker 5: card for this year? What I didn't have on my
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  Speaker 5: bingo card for this year, for this fucking year?
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  Speaker 3: Cancelling my fucking wedding. Cancelling my fucking wedding.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I feel so sorry for her.
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  Speaker 9: I know.
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  Speaker 1: It turns out she left Anthony in Athens and flew
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  Speaker 1: home by herself. She said it's the hardest thing she's
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  Speaker 1: ever gone through, but she wasn't going to be that
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  Speaker 1: bitch who cries on camera for sympathy and pity. She
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  Speaker 1: admitted that her heart was racing during the video and
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  Speaker 1: that she felt sick, but she said she always shows
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  Speaker 1: her authentic self online, so it would be no different now.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be so difficult because by announcing it online, it
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  Speaker 1: almost makes it more real. Well, she had to because
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  Speaker 1: he was a permanent fixture on her TikTok. Now, she
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  Speaker 1: hasn't gone into the details about what actually caused the breakup,
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  Speaker 1: but she said this.
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  Speaker 5: On a very fucking surface level, very fucking surface level, something.
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  Speaker 3: Happened or has happened.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all I'm going to say about that. That
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  Speaker 5: didn't align with my principles, didn't align with my values
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  Speaker 5: as a human being on this fucking earth that has
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  Speaker 5: made a lifelong commitment to someone. And I have decided
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  Speaker 5: to walk away.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as someone says, I'm not going to explain
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  Speaker 1: the full story, but then they touch on the fact
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  Speaker 1: that what the person did didn't align with their principles,
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  Speaker 1: you automatically assume it must be infidelity that's caused a breakup. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's important to point out we don't actually know.
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  Speaker 1: And there are a lot of rumors swirling around. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: at the time of recording, that breakup announcement has amassed
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  Speaker 1: over 2.7 million views. And I think a big part
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  Speaker 1: of the reason why it has gone so viral has
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  Speaker 1: to do with blue-eyed Kayla Jade. So For those not
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  Speaker 1: familiar with Kayla, she is a popular TikToker who shares
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  Speaker 1: her life as a sex worker. And two days before
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  Speaker 1: Adele put her video out, Kayla put out a video
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  Speaker 1: talking about how this guy called Anthony messaged her saying
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  Speaker 1: he's currently in Europe for his bucks and would show
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  Speaker 1: her around if she was interested. And this has led
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people to speculate that perhaps it is
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  Speaker 1: Adele's Anthony and that has caused the breakup. Again, this
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  Speaker 1: is all just speculation. We have no idea whether that
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  Speaker 1: is true, but that search has been trending on TikTok.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I feel so sorry for her. This must be absolutely
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  Speaker 1: horrendous to go through, particularly so publicly. She has also
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  Speaker 1: lost out on a lot of money for her wedding. Fortunately,
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  Speaker 1: her wedding vendors have been incredible, but there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: that she's still out of pocket for.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And her next move has really shocked me. So she
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  Speaker 1: has been gracious enough to say, okay, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: do a massive giveaway to my followers. So any brides
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  Speaker 1: who are doing it tough, I'm going to be giving
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  Speaker 1: my wedding shoes away, my wedding bands, even her florals,
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  Speaker 1: like anything that she's put a deposit down for, she's
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  Speaker 1: going to pass on to her followers. This is what
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  Speaker 1: she said.
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't able to have mine because in reality, it
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  Speaker 5: wasn't my dream date because it wasn't with the person
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  Speaker 5: that I thought I was.
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  Speaker 3: Getting married to.
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  Speaker 5: But if I can help anybody have the best day
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  Speaker 5: of their life and even help them a smidgen to
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  Speaker 5: create theirs, I'm going to.
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  Speaker 3: Fucking do that.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this is obviously incredibly generous of Adele, but the
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  Speaker 1: skeptic in me was wondering, is a part of it
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  Speaker 1: also to fulfill partnership obligations? Because back in July, Adele
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  Speaker 1: shared her wedding band as part of a paid partnership
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  Speaker 1: with Cullen Jewelry. And it was really awkward because Anthony
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  Speaker 1: was in the video and she was so excited to
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  Speaker 1: unbox them. And she said she wasn't going to try
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  Speaker 1: the ring on her left hand because she thought it
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  Speaker 1: was bad luck. Now, Adele is giving away her wedding
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  Speaker 1: band as a part of this giveaway. What do you
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  Speaker 1: think about that? Well, that's pretty clever. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's the outcome that the jeweler would have
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  Speaker 1: wanted anyway, because I mean, there's a bit of bad
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  Speaker 1: juju on this ring, isn't there? But it's a creative
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  Speaker 1: way to get more eyeballs on your brand. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it'd be incredibly awkward. You've made all of these deals
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  Speaker 1: for your wedding and you're like, okay, on the big day,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to show off, you know, this and that,
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  Speaker 1: and you'll get your coverage there. Or particularly when it's
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  Speaker 1: a custom item like rings.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's incredibly clever. And I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Cullen Jewelry are getting way more exposure for this because
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  Speaker 1: it's like, wow, this is this dramatic breakup. Like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if as many people would have cared if
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  Speaker 1: she actually went through with the wedding, what wedding band
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  Speaker 1: she had. Well, I also think it's good that she's
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  Speaker 1: actually giving the items away for free instead of selling them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Tammy seemed to get a lot of. stick
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  Speaker 1: when she announced that she was selling her wedding dresses,
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  Speaker 1: particularly because there was a sponsorship agreement there. I just
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  Speaker 1: think it's ingenious. It's creating engagement. It's doing something positive
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  Speaker 1: for brides who may be struggling to pay for their
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  Speaker 1: own weddings, who are doing it tough. All I can
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  Speaker 1: say is thank God all of this has happened before
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  Speaker 1: the wedding. It would absolutely be worse to go ahead
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  Speaker 1: with the wedding and have that heartbreak and embarrassment afterwards.
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  Speaker 6: So I just posted like a life update, but when
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  Speaker 6: I go on my page, it's like my videos.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I'm getting married. And then it's like, honeymoon.
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  Speaker 1: And then now it's like, I'm getting a job. Tammy
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  Speaker 1: Hembrough has hinted that her therapist warned her not to
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  Speaker 1: marry Matt Zukowski. The OG Australian influencer made the revelation
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  Speaker 1: in her latest YouTube video where she dropped more juicy
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  Speaker 1: details about her breakup, Kate. I was so excited when
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  Speaker 1: this video dropped because it's the first time Tammy's posted
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  Speaker 1: fresh content on YouTube since the breakup. It was also
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: aptly titled, I Got a Divorce. I was like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, what is she going to say? It was
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  Speaker 1: quite funny because on TikTok, Tammy prefaced that when she
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  Speaker 1: logged into her YouTube, she got a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: jump scare because the previous videos were literally, I'm engaged,
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting married and here's my honeymoon. And she's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh fuck, this is so awkward uploading it. I'm divorced.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That reminds me, I want to go back and watch
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  Speaker 1: those just with a fresh set of eyes. Now, it
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  Speaker 1: was really interesting because it's the first time Tammy has
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  Speaker 1: spoken about how she's dealing with this influx of media
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  Speaker 1: attention since announcing her divorce. And she said it's been
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  Speaker 1: really frustrating and making her not want to post any
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  Speaker 1: content because every time she does, it gets turned into
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  Speaker 1: a headline or clickbait. But I was like, oh, come on, Tammy.
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  Speaker 1: Like a lot of them she's done purposely. I caught
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  Speaker 1: a bit of bullshit when I heard that one because
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  Speaker 1: Tammy has been in this industry for a while. She
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  Speaker 1: knows what she's doing. She's constantly posting TikToks to insinuate
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  Speaker 1: things and to generate attention and media headlines because ultimately
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  Speaker 1: it's good for business.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think though it's now affecting her personal life in
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  Speaker 1: terms of her dating Bailey Smith though. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that's why she's suddenly wanting to put the brakes on
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  Speaker 1: it because there's been a lot of speculation that she
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  Speaker 1: isn't attending the brown load. Now, Of course, we are
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  Speaker 1: recording this on Monday afternoon. The Brownlow is tonight. But
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  Speaker 1: in the days leading up to the Brownlow, the media
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  Speaker 1: have done this complete backflip and said, oh, she's not coming.
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  Speaker 1: Bailey is focusing on football because Geelong are now in
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: the grand final. Apparently he's taking one of his mates
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  Speaker 1: to the event. He's probably been told not to bring
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  Speaker 1: her because it would be such a media circus and
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: not a good look for Geelong when they are supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be focusing on the week ahead. So I think
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  Speaker 1: she's a bit annoyed that she can't go to the
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  Speaker 1: Brownlow because of all the media speculation. I mean, she's
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  Speaker 1: been doing all of those appointments at her sister's skin clinic.
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  Speaker 1: I think she probably had a dress ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: You'd be pretty pissed off if you were a designer
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  Speaker 1: who had gifted Tammy a dress thinking she was going
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: to the Brownlow and then suddenly it seems to be off.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: I am very mindful that this podcast is coming out
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: after the Brownlow. We might have a bit of egg
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: on our face. Maybe she may make an appearance, but
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to lose hope because She's been posting that
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: she's on a holiday with her kids. They're on school holidays.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know where they are, but it looks tropical. Yeah,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not really holding out hope that we're going to
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: be seeing her on the Brownlow tonight. Well, in another blow,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: it seems like Tammy is back to taking the moral
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: high ground because In her recent YouTube, she said that
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: she doesn't want to talk about other people or give
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: certain people her energy, aka Matt Sikowsky. Yeah, but she's
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: saying that whilst releasing a YouTube video with the clickbait title,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: I'm getting a divorce. So I don't know how much
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: of a high ground that is. Well, one thing that
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: she wanted everyone to know is that the divorce announcement
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: didn't signify the end of the marriage. So according to Tammy,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: her relationship with Matt ended long before. So it's clear
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: she's very keen to clear that up because she doesn't
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: want people to think that she's just moved on so
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: quickly with bailey smith well she also hinted in a
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: tiktok video this week that it ended in february because
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: she filmed herself miming to the lyrics i'm feeling better
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: i made it to september i can finally breathe and
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: she captioned that video feb me would be very happy
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: right now and she also referenced the start of the
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: year being difficult for her in her youtube this is
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: what she said.
• 16:35
  Speaker 8: Like the start of this year i don't think you
• 16:40
  Speaker 8: guys understand like i was in such a horrific place
• 16:46
  Speaker 8: and just like I was so miserable because something's happened
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: to you and they shake you like so badly that
• 16:53
  Speaker 8: you just don't even know yourself. You don't trust your
• 16:57
  Speaker 8: own judgment. You don't trust the people around you. And
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: I started getting like so anxious. There were times where
• 17:04
  Speaker 8: I literally like could not leave the house.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: So does this mean that the marriage only lasted three
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: months then? I think so. And it seems likely that
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: that big blow up at the Australian Open was the
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: end of it all.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I wonder if you can get annulled after just three months.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: You can't. No, you can't. I think the most interesting
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: part of this video for me was when Tammy talked
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: about going to therapy. So it's not the first time
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: she's spoken about therapy. When she announced her divorce back
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: in July, she mentioned that she had been talking to
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: a therapist. It also comes off the back of Matt
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: speaking a lot on his podcast about how he's in
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: therapy and focusing on his mental health. It's like she's
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: trying to reclaim a bit of that and say, well,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: my mental health suffered during this relationship as well. Yeah,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: but it turns out her first therapy session was actually
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: before her wedding. Let's take a listen to what she said.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: My first therapy session was actually before marriage.
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: We got married and then I didn't like what I
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: heard in that session.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: So I didn't go back. And then obviously everything happened.
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: And then I went back and I was like, I
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: should have listened kind of thing.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: But hindsight's 20-20.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: It would be really hard to return to that therapist
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: because they'd probably be a bit like, well, I told
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you so. Yeah, but at least she didn't have to
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: go into the backstory all again for a new therapist. Like,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to be really judgy about it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I wonder if this is the same therapist that they
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: started seeing after the Grand Prix cheating scandal, because in
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: that infamous podcast episode, Matt Sikowsky released explaining himself after
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: he was caught out texting this other woman. He said
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: that he and Tammy were going to a couple's counselor.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: This was before the wedding. So, well, I feel like
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Matt is getting a lot of good press at the moment.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: People seem to be liking him a bit more. That
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: seems to be the general tone. And I found it
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: really interesting because in this YouTube video, I feel like
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Tammy wanted to remind people about those past cheating rumors
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: because she spoke a lot about loyalty. And she began
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: by saying how her marriage breakdown made her realize even
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: more that loyalty is a non-negotiable for her. She then
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: said this.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: But I didn't.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: Realize just how massive that was to me. And not
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: just in the sense of like being faithful, but in
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: a sense of just like having the other person's back
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: kind of thing.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: Like you put them before friends, family, like, you know,
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: not just in like a relationship, but in like other
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: relationships as well.
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: Like I've had some things happen. It's so hard to
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: talk about when I can't like actually talk about it.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: I've had some things happen in other relationships with people in.
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: My life that have, like, I felt, like, so betrayed, like,
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: to my core.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Now, to me, it seems like she's not only making
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a pot shot at... Matt Sikowsky, but also at other
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: people in her life. And I was wondering, could this
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: be over her ex-fiancé, Matt Poole, and his new girlfriend, Annalise,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: liking Olema Amiga's parody about her crying? I don't know
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: if she'd actually take a swipe at Matt Paul like this.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: They seem to have a pretty good co-parenting relationship. Yeah,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: but then he went and publicly liked this derogatory video
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: about her. So I think she's well within her rights
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: to say, oh no, some people have disappointed me and
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: not been loyal because it was quite disloyal. Now we're
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: coming to you from the future, precisely about an hour
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: after recording our Tammy Hembrough segment. Because news has just
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: dropped that Bailey Smith is definitely not taking Tammy Hembro
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to the Brownlow. He revealed that during an interview on
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: The Kyle and Jackie O Show. He also completely dissed
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: her by saying they're just mates. Let's throw to some
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: of what he said. Are you taking Tammy tonight or no?
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not, no. No, I didn't want to. um,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: bore her with, you know, footy, um, all night. Um,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: so yeah, she's not a big footy fan. Um, and
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: now we're just mates. So no, leave her.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: So you guys aren't like exclusive or boyfriend, girlfriend?
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: No, we're just, just mates.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, didn't he sound so young? Oh, I would be
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: so pissed off if I was Tammy Hembrough listening to this.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Like it's a complete slap in the face. It's like,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Why did you hard launch your relationship on your Instagram account? Well,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: soft launch, really. Well, I think it was a hard launch,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the fact that he shared her story on his Instagram
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: account and they were out on a date. Do you
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: reckon maybe they are just friends and they've been trying
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to make Matt Zukowski jealous?
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: What?
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Making out? No, but do you reckon that it's all
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: for a bit of fun? Because I've heard before in
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the past that they did know each other before this
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: incident and maybe Tammy, being the PR mastermind that she
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: seems to be, maybe thought, look, this is going to
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: generate some attention. It's going to get my name out there.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: it looks like I've moved on from this relationship and
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: this divorce. No, I don't think so. I think that,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you know, Tammy said it herself on her YouTube. She
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: is a lover. She loves love. And, you know, she
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: gets into things really quickly. I think she would be
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: hurt by this. It was clearly a rebound though. It
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: was a bit of fun. But still, I think that
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: when you have a rebound so close to like a big,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: major relationship breakdown, they're sometimes more difficult to deal with.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: There's a whole tripe of you know, it's harder to
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: get over a situation ship than a full-term relationship. Well,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift made that pretty clear with all her whole album,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Project Poets, about Matt Healy. Yeah. And, I mean, clearly
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Tammy was invited originally to the Brownlow. Like, you know,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: she was getting her skin ready for it. I'm wondering, though,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: because she uploaded this TikTok a couple of days ago
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and she was miming to Fantasy by Mariah Carey when
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: she got what she called a wild notification. She wrote,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: point of view, you get a wild notification mid-Mariah solo.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I wonder maybe if it was a text to say
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you're uninvited to the Brownlow. No, dumped. Do you also
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: think that maybe Tinder have something to do with this?
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that they paid Bailey Smith a lot of
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: money to be the face of their new campaign and
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: they've said, hey, look, could you cool things down a bit?
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: At least pretend that you're single and seeing people. No,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: this is definitely coming from Geelong Football Club and maybe
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't read into it too much because do you
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: think also he's just a typical footballer and he's done
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a bit of a root and boot? No, I think
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: it's all about distraction leading into, you know, the most
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: important game in his career, the grand final. He doesn't
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: want Geelong fans blaming Tammy Hembrough. He wants to make
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it clear she's not going to be at the Brownlow.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: She's not hanging around me. She's not going to be
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: at the grand final. And then maybe, you know, once
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the grand final's over, we might see them rekindle things. Well,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: if anything, from watching the prelim on the weekend, he's
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: taken it in his stride and Tammy's been good for
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: him because he played so well. He was getting booed
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: by the crowd. I think that was to do with
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: him giving the bird to that photographer but you know
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: if anything he's been in great form I personally think
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that they're going to rekindle things more publicly once the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: footy season is over and they've just been told to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: publicly cool it down the mainstream media are so confused
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: with what's going on because they were reporting that Tammy
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: posted about having a crash out and it must have
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: been about Bailey Smith that was about Matsukowski Okay. Everyone's
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: getting confused. Let's keep up. If they do need some
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: expert opinions on these matters, they can contact us. Yeah,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: footy classified. If you need us for comments, we're here.
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: I'm so excited about Hawaii.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Anna McAvoy has opened up about the reality of traveling
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: with a baby. The former Love Islander and her husband,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Michael Staples, are currently holidaying in Hawaii with their three-month-old son, Swade.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I remember even before Suede was born that Anna was
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: really adamant that having a baby wasn't going to stop
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: her travel plans at all. I remember hearing that on
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: her podcast while driving and scoffing and like, yeah, right,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you are not going anywhere. But she has really proven
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: us wrong. She's, you know, been off to Hawaii. Yeah, well,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. She does share a lot on her
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Instagram about holiday content. I mean, I wouldn't call her
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a travel vlogger, but the most notable holiday that she
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: shared about was her wedding in Greece. And they often
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: traveled to Thailand and Bali. They recently went to Palm
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Cove for their baby moon. So it's quite clear that
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: before they had Swade, they said, we love traveling. We're
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: going to continue doing it even when we have him.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: And they had a little bit of a rehearsal leading
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: into the overseas trip. So they did a staycay in
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the city for Michael's birthday and things did not run
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to plan. On the way to the hotel, Swade did
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a poo explosion in the car. They also forgot his
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: sleep suit. Any parent's worst nightmare, really. Well, Michael had
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to make this mad dash to Kmart to go and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: get a cheapo version of his sleep suit and he
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: could only find a larger size. So they had to
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: get the little sewing kit in the room to make
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: it smaller. I mean, I probably would have just packed
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: up and gone home. By that, you're not enjoying it,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: are you? It's pretty brave they went on to book
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the overseas trip. If that had been me, I would
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: have been shaken by the whole thing. So we're not
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: doing it for a couple of years. Well, also, despite
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the setback, Anna ended up sharing this video of her
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and Suede looking out the hotel window and she captioned it,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: your reminder that travel doesn't need to end when you
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: have a baby. So a lot of mixed messaging going on, like,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: you know, on an Instagram story, oh, it's hell. But
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: then on the Instagram feed, it's like, oh, it's so
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: magical taking your baby on a holiday. Suede is literally
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: only a couple of weeks older than Luca. And I
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: just couldn't even comprehend taking him on an international holiday.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: But in saying that, I really admire the parents who
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: just say, fuck it, we're doing it. I personally don't
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: have it in me. It just seems like such a hassle.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And also it seems like a lot of money to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: spend on a holiday that might not go to plan.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of people say to do it
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: before the age of six months, which makes sense to
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: me because you're not feeding your baby solids and they're
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: also not moving. But then again, you're dealing with sleep regressions.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: You're dealing with having to, you know, constant fasting. feeding
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: of milk, breast milk or formula. It's just the unknown,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: isn't it?
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And leading into the trip, you could tell that Anna
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: was starting to feel a bit apprehensive on her podcast,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Where's Your Head At? She told her co-host Matt Zukowski
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that Swade has suddenly awoken from his newborn slumber and
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: had a very big personality. Let's have a listen to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: some of what she said.
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: But anyway, yeah, I'm so excited about Hawaii. A little
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: bit nervous about the flight with Swade.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not even going to lie.
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: How is it?
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: It's a 10 hour direct flight.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: That's okay. He'll be fine.
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: It's okay. But as I've said in previous episodes of
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: this podcast, he has awoken from his newborn sleep.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Like he is wide awake. He lets you know if
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: he's not happy.
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: So yeah, I don't know.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Just put his dummy in for when they're landing and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that for the ears.
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: I think you breastfeed them on the way up and
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: down to stop them. Are you allowed to though?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I think so. With the seatbelts and that?
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: That's what people have told me to do. So I'm
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: going to. Okay. If he's screaming, I'm obviously going to
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: feed it. I love that Matt Zukowski was like, oh,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: 10 hours, that'll be no problem. I gasped when I
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: heard 10 hours. Like 10 hours. The thing is he
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: said it with such conviction.
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Which it made me laugh because I'm like, oh, he's
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: got no idea what he's talking about. I mean, he
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: was a stepdad to Tammy Hembrough's kids for a couple
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: of months. Posey was two or three at the time.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't really compare that to a three
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: month old baby, can you? It did make me laugh
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: because he's like, oh, just put his dummy in when
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the flight takes off as if that would solve all
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: of the problems. Now, unfortunately for Anna and Michael, the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: flight was no walk in the park. While Anna said
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that there weren't too many meltdowns on board, there also
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: wasn't much sleep. So when they finally did get Suede
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to sleep in the plane bassinet, there happened to be
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: turbulence and they had to quickly take him back out.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: She also said he didn't love the bassinet because it
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: was all enclosed. Now, overall, apparently he only got about
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: one and a half hours sleep on the 10-hour flight
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: whilst they got about an hour. So she said they
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: were absolutely exhausted. And everyone around them was probably exhausted.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: And I mean, once they were in Hawaii... It seemed
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: like that travel day and also the time zones really
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: had a huge effect on Swade because Anna ended up
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: sharing a video of Michael literally looking like he was
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: at his wits end and he was trying to calm
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Swade down. I felt so sorry for him. He looked
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: like a broken man and she captioned it, yesterday was
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the hardest day of parenting we've ever had. Swade was
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: fighting his sleep like never before and was inconsolably crying,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: which was heartbreaking. I'd love to tally the number of shushes.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: On a more positive note, he has woken up super
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: happy today. I was really relieved to hear that he
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: had a better day the next day. The shushing thing
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: cracked me up because I have this nanite sound machine
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and it's so good that it actually makes a shushing
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: sound for you. So you don't have to exhaust yourself? No,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: it's like shh. It's so funny. I remember falling asleep
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: to that. I think it was week two and three
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: of bringing Luca home and I woke up. I'm like,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: what is that noise? It's quite annoying. I have really
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: been enjoying checking in on this holiday and seeing the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: little updates now and then because to Anna's credit, she
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: has been sharing the ups and the downs. And there's
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: been some really heartwarming moments within it that you're like, oh,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: maybe I will take my baby on holiday. Well, it's
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: clear she knows the videos that are also going to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: do well on TikTok. because she shared a video of
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: her and Michael showing suede fireworks at the resort for
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the first time. And she captioned it, what if it
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: all works better than you could have imagined? And she
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: did another sort of viral video where suede was in
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the ocean with them. And it said, your mom and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: dad didn't stop traveling. So now you're three months old
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and floating over waves in Hawaii. And it's quite clear
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that she's trying to encourage other parents to get out
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: there and see the world. But I wonder if you're
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: being a bit earnest. Do you think it's just because
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: that content does really well on TikTok?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, 100%.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Because there's almost an element of rage baiting to it
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: because you know the discussions that are being had in
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the comments. People are going to be like, I would
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: never take my kids on holidays. And oh my God,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I love taking my kids on holidays. And then there
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: would be fights in the comments. Like, yeah, I think
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of rage baiting going on. And also-
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: It seems like Anna's not really sure which path she's
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: going down on parenting. Is she being really raw and
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: sharing the truth or does she want to be one
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: of those Instagram mums who only shows the polished version
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: of motherhood? Well, I suppose maybe she knows that there's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: ups and downs and why not share both of them.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I also think that a lot of that more aspirational
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: content is happening on her TikTok account because it's really
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: on her Instagram stories where she's sharing the reality because
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: after that post did quite well of the fireworks, she
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: uploaded an Instagram story where she said, look, it all
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: looks great. But in reality, Michael and I have to
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: eat every meal alone while the other person soothes suede.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: She also said that she's only been able to venture
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: into the adult pool area once. And basically, her and
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Michael did this trade-off where if he went for a run,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: she got to go on the pool. And she also
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: kept it real by showing that they went out on
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: this day excursion to Hawaii. And Basically, she was wearing
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: this beautiful white skirt and Suede did this huge poo
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: explosion on it. I feel like she's almost got her
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: social media platforms mixed up because if I was her,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I would be sharing the reality on TikTok and more
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: of the aspirational stuff on her Instagram feed. Like people
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: love that stuff on TikTok. It goes off. But maybe
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: she feels more comfortable on Instagram because on Instagram, it's
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: probably people who have followed her since she was on
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Love Island and actually know her, whereas TikTok is so random. Yeah,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of mum shaming and trolling
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: on TikTok. Well, at least it sounds like they've had
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a bit of couple time because Anna shared a screenshot
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: of some flirty text messages that she and her husband
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: sent in this photo dump. And it made me laugh
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: because she was calling him a hot dad and he
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: replied calling her a Megan Milf. I love that she
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: shared that. Like, oh, it's like a little bit of
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: a humble brag. Michael was like, oh, I didn't know
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: you were sharing this in the comment section. Yeah, it's
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: kind of come to a point now where I'm.
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: Really feeling pretty shitty every day with how I'm coping
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: with things and, yeah, just needing a bit of extra help.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Steph Clare-Smith has opened up about her daily struggles with
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: ADHD since having her daughter, Billie. The key co-founder said
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: she's been experiencing emotional breakdowns and intense bouts of rage.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: So if this feeling of overwhelm has led Steph to
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: seek some help. Yeah, this really was a very raw
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and honest look behind the curtain at how Steph Clare
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Smith's postpartum experience has gone so far. So she had
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: her daughter, Billie, only a few weeks before I had Luca.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: So I feel like I've had this weird parasocial relationship
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: with her pregnancy and also her newborn journey. And I
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: just find it so fascinating to see what an influencer's
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: life looks like now that they're a new mum. I
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: just compare what I'm going through And if anything, I
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: felt like it looked like Steph had been flourishing on
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: her socials because Billie seemed to be a much better
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: sleeper than her son Harvey. And she'd been posting all
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: of these beautiful nap-trapped moments. And she seemed to really
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: be embracing it this time around. So I was really
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: surprised to hear that behind the scenes, she's been struggling
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: with these emotional breakdowns. It's really interesting being a mom now.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: So I've got a 15-month-old. And You know, the newborn
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: phase doesn't seem that long ago. And, you know, I've
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: watched now you and Amy go through it. And I
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: do find it fascinating seeing how other mums portray it
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: on social media. And I've learned that everyone does it
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: so differently. Sometimes I'm like, hang on, why is your
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: baby not napping? Or, you know, why are you doing this?
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: And I've got to remind myself, well, everyone does everything differently.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And with Steph being a second time mum, I was like,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see what that is like and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: how they're dealing with it. And I think she's been
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: pretty open throughout it all. But she hasn't touched upon
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the rage until now. And I found that so refreshing
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: because we all go through it, even if you don't
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: have ADHD. See, I found that having my own postpartum
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: experience has really changed me because now whenever I hear
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: that another mum is doing it tough, it absolutely breaks
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: my heart because I found the first couple of months, well,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I'm only three months in, but I found it so challenging.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: And really the first couple of weeks I felt really down.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: So it breaks my heart to see anyone experiencing these
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: emotional breakdowns and also this rage that she's been talking about.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Particularly also trying to navigate that with a pretty fresh
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: ADHD diagnosis, because Steph got that diagnosis when she was
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: pregnant and she wasn't at the time able to go
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: on medication for it. So she announced on the kick
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: pod that that is something that she's looking to trial. Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: And she actually released her own mini series on a
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: podcast about navigating ADHD. And she said that it was
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: because of that transparency early on that she wanted to
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: continue opening up about it, particularly during this postpartum time.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: And she told her co-host Laura Henshaw that she isn't
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: managing well. Let's have a listen to some of what
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: she said.
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: And the unfortunate thing is outside of myself, you know,
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: my kids and Josh are the ones that are also
• 35:22
  Speaker 10: having to cop it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: And what I mean by that is the overwhelm is
• 35:27
  Speaker 10: sending me into immense amount of rage and emotional breakdowns.
• 35:33
  Speaker 10: And basically I look like Harvey, like I'm having full
• 35:37
  Speaker 10: toddler tantrums and meltdowns if shit's like not going my
• 35:41
  Speaker 10: way or things haven't happened how I thought they would.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I just really appreciate her being so honest about this
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: because I think it will really help other mums going
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: through a similar experience. And as you said, Kate, I
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: think whether you have ADHD or not, It is so
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: common for women during this postpartum time to feel completely
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: overwhelmed and also experience this sense of rage and resentment.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: And it's clear for Steph that this is obviously exacerbated
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: by her ADHD. Yeah, and I think it's really good
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: that Steph has provided that behind the scenes look because
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: she does post a lot of beautiful photos of her
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: with her children. And she's returned to work very early on.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: She's been back at events, you know, a couple of
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: weeks after giving birth to Billy. Well, it looks like
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: she's thriving, really.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: And it would be easy for other mums to look
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: at that and be like, oh my God, why isn't
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: she struggling like I am? Like she has it so easy.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, that's actually not the reality. I mean,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you don't really want to pick up your camera when
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: you're having a massive argument with your husband and document
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: it to the world. Well, it's also that challenge of
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: her going from one to two. And she said that
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: her son Harvey has been having meltdowns and that she
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and her husband Josh are at a point where they've
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: run out of patience. Let's have a listen to more
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: of what she said about that.
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: And we are really struggling with Harvey at the moment.
• 36:53
  Speaker 10: He is just having really, really big emotions. He's almost
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: preempting before we even say no to things that we're
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: going to say no. So he's having a lot of
• 37:02
  Speaker 10: meltdowns and stuff and we are just, our patience is gone.
• 37:05
  Speaker 10: And we are both feeling really guilty for that because
• 37:10
  Speaker 10: at the end of the day, they end.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Up mirroring what you do, not what you say.
• 37:14
  Speaker 10: And I have not been a very good example for him.
• 37:19
  Speaker 10: because of my emotional state at the moment, where I'm
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: just losing it over really little things.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: It's pretty brave of her to put up her hand
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and say, hey, look, Harvey is acting out because of
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: me and the way that I act at home. There
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: seems to be a lot of self-awareness there with that. Yeah.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: And as I briefly touched on, Steph is going to
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: be exploring potentially getting medicated for her ADHD. So she
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: has an appointment locked in with a psychiatrist and she's
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: going to continue documenting her journey with her followers online,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: which I think is really brave of her. And I'm
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Interested to see how it all goes. Well, that is
• 37:53
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