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Fictional Women Around the World: Mon Mothma · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan
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  Speaker 1: Never told you Protection of I High Radio, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to another sub sub sub whatever sub segment of a
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  Speaker 1: fictional women around the world. We are doing too this
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  Speaker 1: month because Samantha is taking the lead on a very
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  Speaker 1: big project and everything I do as an extra slow. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot that you're you're working on and it
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  Speaker 1: should be coming out soon. But tabs open for this
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  Speaker 1: one episode. Wow. Yeah, it's a lot, everybody, um, and
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  Speaker 1: that stresses me out because I don't know if I've
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  Speaker 1: ever said this, but I don't like having too many
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  Speaker 1: tabs open. Yeah, So every time Samantha tells me something
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  Speaker 1: like that, it's like, I'm like fanning my face and
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  Speaker 1: panic growing. It's only growing because it's becomes like many
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  Speaker 1: series has something to do with this episode. It's become
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  Speaker 1: a many series trying to get it in. But there's
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  Speaker 1: so many questions and so many things I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about, y'all. But yes, and thank you for taking those.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, you're like, I need to
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  Speaker 1: do two Star Wars stuff. Yeah, I'm very very excited.
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  Speaker 1: It actually is related to what you're working on. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so today we are talking about mon Mathma. But because
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  Speaker 1: as we're recording this is it is a big it's
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  Speaker 1: a big recording day. It's life day also, which is
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars Holiday. I do have some updates I want
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  Speaker 1: to put in here. Okay, some Star Wars updates because
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  Speaker 1: mon Mathma, if you don't know, is from Star Wars,
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  Speaker 1: which is okay, I just figured out month is that
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  Speaker 1: the monotone faced woman in the original trilogies returned the Jedi.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, all right, where she kind of talks
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  Speaker 1: very slowly. Yes, okay, so that's her. Oh I thought
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  Speaker 1: that when I was okay, so I'm only at the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of this indoor So okay, all right, keep going. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: I just got so excited. Yes, okay. Um, so here's
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  Speaker 1: some Star Wars updates. Number one. I listened to the
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  Speaker 1: MPR radio dramas. I've been putting this off because they're
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  Speaker 1: fifteen hours long, um combined. They are beautiful and wonderful
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  Speaker 1: and fun, and they answered so many questions that you've asked, Sabantha.
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  Speaker 1: There's like there's a lot more grieving in the radio
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  Speaker 1: draw Wow. I really really recommend them. I loved it.
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  Speaker 1: I loved them. Mark Cable's in it. Uh so is
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Daniels. Yeah, he's in. Mark Camil's in the first two.
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  Speaker 1: He's not in Return of the Jedi. But they're they're
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  Speaker 1: really fun. I liked them a lot. Um. Also, go
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  Speaker 1: check out our Toxic Masculinity and Mandalorian episode that we did.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of you wrote in with some buff
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  Speaker 1: about that, which I love and I suspected what happened,
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  Speaker 1: and we are going to read some of those messages.
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  Speaker 1: We have a listener mail episode coming up, so if
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  Speaker 1: you have any listener mail you want us to read,
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  Speaker 1: please start sending those in because we're going to record
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  Speaker 1: that pretty soon. I did want to clarify a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things. Number One, I don't think I specified this,
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  Speaker 1: but um, the Cloges, like as in the Clone Wars,
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of people you see in UM the show,
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  Speaker 1: they aren't necessarily Mandalorians. Also, I for I totally forgot
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  Speaker 1: about this and I can't believe I didn't put it
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  Speaker 1: in here because it's like one of my favorite things
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  Speaker 1: to talk about because a lot of people bring up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the parallels between Darth Vader and the Mandalorian
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  Speaker 1: as in the Mandalorian from the show in their whole
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  Speaker 1: mass thing, because Darth Vader has, you know, a mask
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't take off until the end when he wants
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  Speaker 1: to Luke upon you with my own eyes, with Luke
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  Speaker 1: to see his son with his own eyes. Um. And
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorian has that in season two where he takes his
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  Speaker 1: mask off for Groku. But I think there's a kind
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  Speaker 1: of interesting difference here in that darth Vader was painted,
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  Speaker 1: Darth Vader was Jalian, and he took his mask off,
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  Speaker 1: and that was as like an act of redemption to
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  Speaker 1: step forward, kind of shedding that like stoicism, toxic masculinity,
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  Speaker 1: villainous mask uh. And I always say, like when the
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorian did it, there is a lot of religious trauma involved, um,
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  Speaker 1: But it was supposed I felt like it was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be kind of a step forward for him as well.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't come without all these other dramatic things. And
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  Speaker 1: if that's his choice, and that's his you know religion, Gosh,
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  Speaker 1: we don't have time to go into that right now.
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  Speaker 1: But if it is, then that's fine. But I think
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  Speaker 1: that one of the things I was trying to make
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  Speaker 1: the point of is that when these men told me
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  Speaker 1: they saw that as a bad thing. That's what I
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  Speaker 1: found really fascinating that he took off his masks. And
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  Speaker 1: then I will say also in fan fiction, the Mandalorian
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  Speaker 1: and fan fiction is mostly written by women are marginalized people.
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  Speaker 1: Right when the Mandalorian takes off his helmet. That that
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  Speaker 1: is like I mean, if I had Bingo a Bingo card,
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  Speaker 1: which I actually do a fan fiction and Star Wars
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  Speaker 1: fan fiction that happens all the time, and it's painted
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  Speaker 1: in a very positive flight. So I find that really
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  Speaker 1: interesting too. And then I didn't talk about this, but
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  Speaker 1: I found this essay the other day about the whole
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  Speaker 1: subversive nature of the end of Return the Jedi, which
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  Speaker 1: is what I keep saying, But when he throws away,
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  Speaker 1: when Luke throws away his lightsaber, that's the powerful moment.
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  Speaker 1: When he defeats Darth Vader physically in combat, that is
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  Speaker 1: a weakness and he failed, And that's so different than
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  Speaker 1: what a lot of our superhero movies are. UM And
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  Speaker 1: in fact, I found a whole essay about the Winter
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  Speaker 1: Soldier and how the ending of that when Captain America
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  Speaker 1: refuses to fight his friend the Winter Soldier UM and
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  Speaker 1: they tied that directly to the fact that he has
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  Speaker 1: seen Star Wars, because at the beginning he has his
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  Speaker 1: little lists. Yes, and it's not just me thinking this, um,
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  Speaker 1: but related to this episode. And I know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of you are listening to this and they're like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, but related to this episode, that whole idea
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  Speaker 1: of the Mandalorian culture of you know, you win in
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  Speaker 1: the dark saber via combat and usually be killing somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: Satine Creez, who we talked about, we have another fictional
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  Speaker 1: Women Around the World episode on she was trying to
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  Speaker 1: make a more pacifist Mandalorian culture and there you can
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  Speaker 1: argue about that all you want, but kind of the
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  Speaker 1: message in it because she felt she was assassinated and
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  Speaker 1: then everything went to hell was disarmament equals ruined. And
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  Speaker 1: that is related to mon Mathma, who we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about today, and I find that very interesting. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: now I'm also going to have to talk about how
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  Speaker 1: traditional gender roles manifest in pop media and fan fiction,
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  Speaker 1: but that's for another day. I can't wait to read
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  Speaker 1: some of these messages. I'm so excited. But all right,
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  Speaker 1: those are my updates for now. Okay, okay, okay, now
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  Speaker 1: we are going to talk about modern Mathma, and there
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  Speaker 1: are gonna be some spoilers for uh and or which
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  Speaker 1: as we speak. The season finale is next week. UM
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  Speaker 1: So I haven't seen it yet, but I have a
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  Speaker 1: suspicion I know what's gonna happen with Mon Mathma at
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  Speaker 1: least um. But I'm not going to talk too much
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  Speaker 1: about that. I'll say I always loved Mom Mathma in
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  Speaker 1: the original trilogy as a kid. She is in it.
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  Speaker 1: She's the one that says many Baltan's died to get
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  Speaker 1: us this information and return of the Jedi Um. A
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  Speaker 1: part of it could be the fact that she was
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  Speaker 1: like one of three women in the movies. She's barely
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  Speaker 1: in it, but I did love her whole look. I
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  Speaker 1: loved her whole vibe. She's clearly important. She's a leader,
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  Speaker 1: and while she's calm and poised in the face of
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  Speaker 1: possible total annihilation, she doesn't hide her emotion. It was
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  Speaker 1: another instance like where leia Um, where it's clear that
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  Speaker 1: Leiah and mon Mathma to man respects that they can
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  Speaker 1: control room Um and mon Matha is not question for
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  Speaker 1: one second because of her gender. She is briefly in
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  Speaker 1: episode three Revenge of the Sith and in a very
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  Speaker 1: important deleted of scenes. It's one of the deleted scenes
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  Speaker 1: where I was like, I was like, you could have
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  Speaker 1: cut some other things out. I think this one should
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  Speaker 1: have been in there. But she was played by Genevieve O'Reilly,
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  Speaker 1: who plays her in and Or In that scene that
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  Speaker 1: got cut, it's just made very clear that she's a
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  Speaker 1: founding member of the Rebellion and the Alliance um, which
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  Speaker 1: we do see playing out in and Or Now. She
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  Speaker 1: was in Rogue one as well, also played by O'Reilly.
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  Speaker 1: She was featured in the animated series the animated series
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  Speaker 1: of Clone Wars voiced by Kath Soucy and Rebels voiced
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  Speaker 1: by O'Reilly. But um yeah. She was first introduced in
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  Speaker 1: the nine three film Returned the Jedi. She was played
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  Speaker 1: by Caroline Blackiston, and Blackiston put all kinds of thought
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  Speaker 1: into the role, even though she often joked she was
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  Speaker 1: only in the movie for twenty six and a half seconts.
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  Speaker 1: But apparently they like changed the script right when she
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  Speaker 1: was walking in, and she didn't really know what edny
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  Speaker 1: of it meant, Like what is a bosthoon? Who knows?
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  Speaker 1: So she decided to portray this character as a moon
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  Speaker 1: mother because she thought mon Mothma sounded kind of like
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  Speaker 1: moon mother, and there's a lot of it takes place
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  Speaker 1: on the moon. But she was going for very cool
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  Speaker 1: and collected because of that, and she wrote George Lucas
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  Speaker 1: about playing a young mon Mathma's grandmother but never got
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  Speaker 1: a response, but seems genuinely delighted at how much the
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  Speaker 1: character has taken off. It's really cute to read her
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, wow, people really people really liked it. Yea, Um,
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  Speaker 1: but yes, I'm getting ahead of myself. Um, standard Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars disclaimer. There is Cannon, which is Disney currently Disney owned.
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  Speaker 1: There is Legends, also called Extended Universe, which was pre
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  Speaker 1: Disney no longer your cannon, but they take a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff from that and make it Disney Cannon, which
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  Speaker 1: is very confusing. Um, I'm gonna try to make it
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  Speaker 1: make sense. But the Wikipedia injury on this character even
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  Speaker 1: came with this warning quote Lucas Film has not established
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  Speaker 1: a cohesive timeline regarding this subject. Editor discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I know, I know, honestly, thank you. All right,
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  Speaker 1: So let's start with what is currently canon but because
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  Speaker 1: I did grow up with legends, we are going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about that too, And there are a lot of similarities.
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  Speaker 1: Mom Mothma is a human woman born on Chandrilla and
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  Speaker 1: she got into politics at a young age, going on
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  Speaker 1: to represent her home planet in the Galactic Senate prior
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  Speaker 1: to the Old Republic's fall. Um. If you don't know
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  Speaker 1: about Chandrilla, this is kind of telling you like she's
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  Speaker 1: a core worlder core worlder. She probably is pretty well off,
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  Speaker 1: but uh a headline when she was elected read Wizard
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  Speaker 1: teen senator takes on Corressant, so she was one of
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  Speaker 1: the youngest senators ever elected. She did have a hot
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  Speaker 1: girl summer before that, where she reveled against her parents,
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  Speaker 1: she learned how to play smash ball, she fell in love,
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  Speaker 1: decided to become a his story and instead of playing
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  Speaker 1: a role in her family's political dynasty. But Summer's got
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  Speaker 1: it in some time. Um. And so she ended up
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  Speaker 1: marrying paren Fertha at sixteen, which is pretty much kind
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  Speaker 1: of a politically arranged marriage, and they moved to Corressant,
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  Speaker 1: which is the big city planet if you don't know
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  Speaker 1: where the Imperial Center is, and she became a senator
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  Speaker 1: during the Clone Wars. She was a vocal supporter of
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  Speaker 1: peace and democracy. She found like minded folks like Senator
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  Speaker 1: bail Organa of all Iran, who's Leah's adopted father, and
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  Speaker 1: pad Me Amidala Leia and Luke's biological mom Um, amongst others.
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  Speaker 1: Though at first on Mathma was not impressed with Amadala
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  Speaker 1: after her vote of no confidence in Chancellor of Alorum
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  Speaker 1: that put Palpatine and power because mod Mathma thought it
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  Speaker 1: showed that pad May put her the needs of her
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  Speaker 1: home planet above the needs of the galaxy. But Amadala,
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  Speaker 1: I keep switching back. Amdala Padu say person pat May
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  Speaker 1: later earned her respect, though they never really became close friends.
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  Speaker 1: I think they could have, but you know, pad May
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  Speaker 1: died and everything. They worked together to try to provide
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  Speaker 1: diplomatic solutions to the war, believing the war was a
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  Speaker 1: threat to democracy. And this is between the separatist the
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  Speaker 1: Clone Wars essentially, and they were fiercely opposed by militaristic
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  Speaker 1: sectors and corporations. Their outspokenness against the war meant that
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  Speaker 1: their initiatives often failed and um it placed them in
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  Speaker 1: physical danger. One of Mathma's fellow senators and supporters was
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  Speaker 1: murdered is poisoned. Um Mathma was also on the council
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  Speaker 1: that determined the fate of a Soca Tana after she
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  Speaker 1: was falsely accused of the murder of six Jedi, and
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  Speaker 1: for more on that you can check out our Asca episode. Mathma,
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  Speaker 1: Organa and Amidalla petitioned Chancellor Palpatine a k a the
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  Speaker 1: Emperor a k a. The Sith Lord who manufactured and
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  Speaker 1: puppeted the whole war Um to ascend these executive wartime powers,
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  Speaker 1: but he instead claimed that the Jedi ward traders and
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  Speaker 1: had almost all of them killed enslaved the clones Um
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  Speaker 1: and he proclaimed that the Republic was now the Galactic
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  Speaker 1: Empire and guess what he was in charge? And now
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  Speaker 1: also I have a terrifying and horrifying a forcer named
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  Speaker 1: Darth Vader mysterious. Um Mathma and Organa attended Padmey's funeral
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  Speaker 1: together and she was arrested alongside Organa for colluding with
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  Speaker 1: the Jedi, but both were freed after publicly declaring their
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  Speaker 1: loyalty to the fire Um. So when the Republic fell
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  Speaker 1: and was replaced with the Galactic Empire Um, she Mon
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  Speaker 1: Mathma held onto her seat Um secretly working with Senator
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  Speaker 1: Organa and Luthan Rail, who's an and or um, to
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  Speaker 1: topple the fascist regime, planting seeds of the rebellion. She
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  Speaker 1: didn't think the Empire would disband the Senate because their
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  Speaker 1: abilities and powers had already been so limited, so she
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  Speaker 1: was like, we're kind of a useless Why are they
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  Speaker 1: going to go through the the effort of disbanding is
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  Speaker 1: because they've already limited us so much. She also believed
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  Speaker 1: that Palpatine had expertly maneuvered the war to lead to this,
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  Speaker 1: so she was pretty sure he was in the mastermind
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  Speaker 1: behind the whole thing. However, her husband was a strong
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  Speaker 1: supporter of the Empire, and her daughter resented how much
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  Speaker 1: she poured into her work and that she might be
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  Speaker 1: married off. She's also an and or and in legends,
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  Speaker 1: and I know what happens in legends, and I'm wondering
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  Speaker 1: what they're going to do in and Or But we'll
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  Speaker 1: see um. Mathma also served as a mentor for Leah
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  Speaker 1: Leia We're gonna counseling her before she took her own
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  Speaker 1: Senate seat and probably watching on and she became a
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  Speaker 1: leader in the burgeoning rebellion against the Empire. She encouraged
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  Speaker 1: Leiah and collecting evidence of the Emperor's misdeeds to correct
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  Speaker 1: the false history he was painting after his fall, and
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  Speaker 1: we we saw a lot of the like savvy maneuvering
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  Speaker 1: and sacrifices Mathma had to make for the Alliance. Throughout
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  Speaker 1: and Or, especially concerning securing credit flow um Mathma continued
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  Speaker 1: to be a vocal detractor of the Empire as safely
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  Speaker 1: as she could be uh and even the Emperor himself.
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  Speaker 1: She publicly denounced him and left the Senate after the
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  Speaker 1: Gorman massacre and was labeled a trade her and put
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  Speaker 1: on the Empire's most wanted list. The Ghost Crew from
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  Speaker 1: Rebels the Show got her out of there before she
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  Speaker 1: could be arrested, and she officially founded the Alliance to
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  Speaker 1: restore the Republic. I don't know what's going on and or,
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  Speaker 1: but whatever most of the rebel I'll find out soon.
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  Speaker 1: Both of the rebels joined up, but not all, including
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  Speaker 1: Sagrera and the like, who caused for a lot of
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  Speaker 1: problems because basically he was seen as more militant and extreme.
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  Speaker 1: I would argue he is more militant and extreme, and
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  Speaker 1: she was very pragmatic about timing and resources. Uh we
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  Speaker 1: see this depicted de nand Or two with her cousin
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  Speaker 1: VL Hope. That was a spoiler. Oh well, whoops. She
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  Speaker 1: was involved in the leadership position of several Alliance operations
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  Speaker 1: depicted in Rebels in the year zero b B y Are.
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  Speaker 1: Before the Battle of Yavn, which is a New Hope
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  Speaker 1: test star, she called for the recruitment of jin or
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  Speaker 1: So and this is where the events of Rogue one
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  Speaker 1: play out, where a lot of folks died to get
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  Speaker 1: the Desk Star plans to the Alliance. When Aldran was destroyed,
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  Speaker 1: she became the last remaining original leader of the Alliance
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  Speaker 1: and even wrote a surrender speech to the Emperor before
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  Speaker 1: she learned the Rebels survived on the Aven and destroyed
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  Speaker 1: the Desk Star. Though she had contingency plans to ensure
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  Speaker 1: the Alliance is survival, but she was like, if this
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  Speaker 1: doesn't go our way, then I'm gonna have to surrender.
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  Speaker 1: She made several difficult decisions like that during her time,
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  Speaker 1: including not devoting resources to rescue Luke Skywalker after he
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  Speaker 1: was captured on his mission by Grakis thought Um. She
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  Speaker 1: encourages Leia to pursue love. She proves of her vision
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  Speaker 1: to save Han Solo, and also confides intelligence that the
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  Speaker 1: Emperor has a second death Star and intends to destroy
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  Speaker 1: any planet that houses rebellion, including Mathma's home planet of Chandrilla.
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  Speaker 1: And she expressed concern that that Leah was putting herself
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  Speaker 1: at too great risk by volunteering for that last mission,
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  Speaker 1: but Lea was like, Nope, you gotta do it. She
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  Speaker 1: helped lead the Alliance during the Galactic Civil War, including
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  Speaker 1: when she pops up during Return of the Jedi. When
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  Speaker 1: the Empire was defeated, mon Mathma became the new Republic's
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  Speaker 1: first Chancellor. She oversaw the passing of the Military Disarmament
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  Speaker 1: Act and the stripping of the Chancellor's emergency wartime powers,
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  Speaker 1: things that later helped the First Order rise. So that's
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  Speaker 1: what I met at the top. When people sometimes blame
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  Speaker 1: her for the First Order's rise because she was taking
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  Speaker 1: away the weapons, but also like, oh gosh, I don't
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  Speaker 1: have time to get into a political argument right now.
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  Speaker 1: When mon Mavma left office, factions were engaged in fierce
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  Speaker 1: debate about the government's future, and during her tenure, she
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  Speaker 1: still had these difficult decisions and compromises to make, including
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  Speaker 1: ones she would have protested as a senator. That's sort
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  Speaker 1: of her her war inner war during this time, her
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  Speaker 1: inner conflict Um. She and Leia for you can disagreed,
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  Speaker 1: and Mathma always was pushing for pragmatism Um. Lots of
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  Speaker 1: political machinations, spying, making of deals happened. She supported La publicly.
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  Speaker 1: When her parentage was revealed the first order, it was like, oh,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: guess what her dad is? Darth Vader and Mon Mathma
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  Speaker 1: supported her. Mon. Mathma listened to her constituents and constantly
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: worried about becoming the next Palpatine Um. All right, so
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: that's sort of where we are with Cannon. I want
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: to very briefly go over legends. Okay, so it's pretty similar.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: In legends. She was a bit more open in her
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: defiance of the Empire during her time in the Senate.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: In it, she did too to Leia. She had to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: flee from the Empire after the Empire grew tired of
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: her opposition. She was betrayed and arrested by Darth Vader,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: but later escaped and continue to lead the Alliance UM.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: She helped her nephew become an imperial spy, which was
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: really intense storyline. When the Organas were killed, Mathma was
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: accused of trying to usurp power in the Alliance and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: became and become the next Palpatine. That she proved her
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: dedication to democracy. She led that Return of the Jedi
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: meeting even after learning about the death of her son
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: just before. After the Battle of Indoor, she became the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Chief of State of the New Republic, a position she
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: held for eleven years, and she led the new government
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: through multiple military threats. She officiated land Hans's wedding um,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and she was succeeded by Leah Organa, and she died
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: peacefully in her sleep, even though she had been poisoned.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: It was like this poison they couldn't get rid of,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: so she had kind of this long fight with illness,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: but she died peacefully. She did serve again temporarily when
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Leiah had to go off and rescue her brother, and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: apparently Uh sent Luke on a mission to find Lando
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: a wife. I don't remember that, but I believe it happened.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: She was a guest of honor at Luca Maura Jade's
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: wedding um, and an important New Republic ship was named
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: after her, so she did a lot. She is very important.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: She was pivotal to this whole thing. And O'Reilly, the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: actress who's playing her, said of the character, you don't
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: have to look too far, no matter which profession you
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: work in, to see women who are trying to affect
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: change from within. I looked at different female leaders around
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the world, and sadly we don't really have enough of them. Still.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Often they are lonely voices or voices that others are
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: trying to silence. I see a correlation with those voices
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and with moms, and with Mom's voice for me. I
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: didn't have to look too far to see the women
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: that I believe can be reflected in Mom's fight. I
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: recognized her, I recognized her fights. I want to stand
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: up for her as a character because I think we
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: can all recognize her. No. Yeah, so her husband is
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: a bad guy. I'm not quite there. I just got
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: introduced to him. Oh well he's yeah, he's not great.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I'll take that. Yes, sorry for any accidental spoilers in there.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Um and again, I appreciate you, Sabantha for just letting
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: me go like plows. I'm doown like that. I was like, oh,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that's her, was the Yes, it is funny, and she
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: had like twenty six seconds in that movie and we
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: were all like, what about her though? I want to
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: know all about her. She's very regal. She is quite regal.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: She's quite regal, and I love her fashion in the show. Um,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: whoever is doing the war dribbing is top notch gorgeous.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: So she actually portrayed, to say, the actress that plays
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: on Mathma and or portrayed it in the secondary movies.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they are? Where do they not?
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: The originals? And the she in the prequel trilogy? Yeah? Um,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the prequels. She was in Revenge IF and she was
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: in Rebels as a voice and broke one. Yeah. So okay,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: did they do that the digital imaging on her in
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the requels because it looks a lot like her I mean, okay,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: no know, a lot like the original. I'm sorry, Oh maybe, uh,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: because she's like I think in Revenge of the Cyst
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: she's in the background. You barely see her one as well? Right, Yes,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: so is that where they did a digital face on her?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It looked like it because it looked
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: like we were all. I feel like we talked about
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: that anyway. I hate that movie Rogue one too sad
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: for something but well and was kind of tough too.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I gotta say, oh no, no, it's not it's okay,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: it's okay anyway, coming whatever, whatever, We'll come back and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: convene on this. But in the meantime, listeners, thank you
• 23:39
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• 23:41
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• 23:44
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• 23:46
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