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Metaphor of Math with Ethan Indigo · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: What's going to happen? What?
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  Speaker 1: Help? Welcome back to the Occult Rejects. Tonight's show we
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  Speaker 1: got we got Ethan Indigo as the guest, and he's
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  Speaker 1: got a presentation for us tonight. So it's a very
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  Speaker 1: nice and it's very special opportunity to actually have like
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  Speaker 1: somebody from the Occult Rejects as well do a topic
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  Speaker 1: or a presentation. And I very much appreciate this, Ethan.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, before we remind everybody who Ethan is, let
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  Speaker 1: me introduce my co host of it. Tonight. We got
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  Speaker 1: Judith the Loon. What is going on? Judith? How are you?
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  Speaker 4: I am happy to be here. I am.
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  Speaker 5: I'm so excited about this presentation, Ethan. I can't wait.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for having me, Nick and everyone else. You
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  Speaker 5: could find me on x YouTube and Spreaker as the
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  Speaker 5: Loon and you could catch my weekly brunch every Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, go check it out. And thank you again
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  Speaker 1: for coming to you. Always always enjoy having you here.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you and Ethan, so Ethan, Uh for people maybe,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how they wouldn't know who
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  Speaker 1: you are by now unless they just started listening to
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  Speaker 1: the show like the last week or two. Maybe if
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  Speaker 1: they don't happen to, you know, if they happen to
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  Speaker 1: not know who you are, please remind them and let
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  Speaker 1: them know where they can find all of your books
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  Speaker 1: as well, please, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm a Taichii practitioner and I wrote a book
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  Speaker 2: about sacred geometry of meditation. That's my most well read book,
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  Speaker 2: and I've written several other books of the dow of
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  Speaker 2: both the matrix of for the fourth Initiation among them,
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  Speaker 2: which I'll be I'll be kind of delving into uh
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  Speaker 2: ideas related to and from these books tonight. I write
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  Speaker 2: articles frequently. In fact, the idea is from an article
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  Speaker 2: I recently shared on Occult Research Institute dot org. Please
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  Speaker 2: do check it out. And I, you know, people, I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate anyone we would like to follow me on YouTube,
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  Speaker 2: trying to expand that. But I share ideas on Facebook
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  Speaker 2: and Twitter also frequently, and yeah, please please give me
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  Speaker 2: a follow. And I also appreciate any communication, so I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate people reaching out. And yeah, I you know, you've
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  Speaker 2: got to be a little bit obsessive to write, right,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like and some of the things that I
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  Speaker 2: delve into tonight. I've really been looking at variously for
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  Speaker 2: quite a while now, but when I found this equation,
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  Speaker 2: the signification of it all kind of this kind of
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  Speaker 2: struck me immediately. So I'd like to kind of break
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  Speaker 2: down a little bit of what's involved with this simple equation,
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  Speaker 2: this metaphor in mathematics, if you will, I'll break down
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  Speaker 2: the numbers and the kind of divinatory relationships and sacred
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  Speaker 2: relationships to so as we kind of touched on before
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  Speaker 2: the show, the metaphor of mathematics, I feel like is
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  Speaker 2: an inspiration towards individuation, ascension, and the initiation process that
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  Speaker 2: one has within without the fetters of other modalities. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like it's in inspiration towards dare I say initiation.
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  Speaker 2: And we're going to cover tonight the occult, of course,
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  Speaker 2: and esoteric ideas and the metaphysical and sacred geometry and
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  Speaker 2: numerology and spirituality, religion and mathematics and each of those
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  Speaker 2: words that I just brought up I think trigger people.
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  Speaker 2: And in a sense, the word a cult it kind
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  Speaker 2: of demonstrates how things have been occulted, because often if
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  Speaker 2: I bring up that word, people are triggered in a
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  Speaker 2: sense that they want to avoid further discussion of it,
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  Speaker 2: and that reaction to that word shows you, in effect,
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  Speaker 2: how a lot of things are occulted for we live
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  Speaker 2: in a in a time where every thing is available
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  Speaker 2: to us, the mysteries are available to us.
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  Speaker 1: I remember one time I had called myself an occultist.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was on the show, on somebody else's show,
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  Speaker 1: and like even the the I guess the person having
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  Speaker 1: me on the host, I was like totally taken back
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  Speaker 1: that I use that. And I remember one other time
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  Speaker 1: I had used it on like an Instagram post. I
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  Speaker 1: think I was like somebody had me and another podcast
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  Speaker 1: that we were being cool, but we're having a conversation
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  Speaker 1: and I mentioned something. I said, well, I'm an cultist,
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  Speaker 1: so you know this is my stuff or whatever, what
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  Speaker 1: you know? I mentioned that and they were like I
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  Speaker 1: forgot what they said, but they're like, I've never heard
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  Speaker 1: of anybody actually ever called themselves that. I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what else to call it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, it sounds normal to me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's it's it's fascinating to me. The responses
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  Speaker 2: I've gotten recently in passing, like oh, Hey, what are
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  Speaker 2: you up to day? Oh? Oh, I'm doing a podcast. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Oh cool, what are you doing a podcast on We're
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  Speaker 2: about Oh, I'm doing I've been doing a lot of
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  Speaker 2: stuff on this great podcast, The Occult Rejects. They got
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  Speaker 2: to oh a cult, and you can see like their
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  Speaker 2: whole mindset change. And it just demonstrates how people have
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  Speaker 2: been affected by occulted ideas. They don't even look into it.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, they avoid them. Even the term esoteric, which
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  Speaker 2: means indoor teaching or internal art. It also is befuddled
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  Speaker 2: with the meaning of befuddling stuff understand, and it's just
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  Speaker 2: too niche and generally you don't even want to look
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  Speaker 2: at it. It's esoteric, and certainly sacred has a really bad,
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of assumption behind it, and numerology as well.
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  Speaker 2: But as we can see here, one of the great
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  Speaker 2: founders of the West stern world philosophy, who brought and
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  Speaker 2: science and spirituality and geometry and sacred geometry is Socrates
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  Speaker 2: and and Nick, we can we can start the excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: I said Socrates, I meant Pythagoras, Uh, with the Pythagorean group,
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  Speaker 2: which really founded the Platonists, and so on. And so forth.
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  Speaker 2: He famously remarked all his number. And also he has
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  Speaker 2: this whole you know, great kind of reference for anyone
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  Speaker 2: that was Pythagorean and Pythagoras. But also yeah, they were
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  Speaker 2: kind of cuckoo because they thought that there was in
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  Speaker 2: effect a quality to quantities. Right, And but we can
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  Speaker 2: we I would say that a lot of physicists and
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  Speaker 2: scientists and certainly mathematicians would agree with the sentiment that
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  Speaker 2: all is number. And I'll read here what is the
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  Speaker 2: Pythagorean prayer. Most of the things that we know about Pythagoras,
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  Speaker 2: of course, we're written about him, and we have, you know,
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  Speaker 2: tidbits of Pythagorean ideas. But it's important to recognize how
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  Speaker 2: much they valued the four. In the form of the
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  Speaker 2: tech tractice, bless Us Divine Number, Thou who generated gods
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  Speaker 2: and men, Oh, Holy Holy tech Tractice, Thou that containest
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  Speaker 2: the source of the eternally flowing creation. For the divine
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  Speaker 2: number begins with the profound, pure unity, until it comes
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  Speaker 2: to the Holy four. Then it begets the Mother of all,
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  Speaker 2: the all comprising, all bounding, the first born, the never swerving,
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  Speaker 2: the never tiring, Holy Ten, the keyholder of all and
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  Speaker 2: and so in in this we can see the relationship
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  Speaker 2: of four and ten, which is rooted in the tech tractics.
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  Speaker 2: But also I think four is super valuable as a
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  Speaker 2: set to reach understanding and comprehension. Let's go to the
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  Speaker 2: next one, and famously, I think you know the four
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  Speaker 2: elements are used as let's here here is an important
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  Speaker 2: one that we see unfolding in modern science.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And these ideas or these forces and substances interact with
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  Speaker 2: each other. But we can see here that four is
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  Speaker 2: used as a module of understanding and comprehension of reality.
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  Speaker 2: This may not be the perfect set of four to
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  Speaker 2: observe everything, but it is a super efficient start, as
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  Speaker 2: are many sets of four. Okay, and the next one,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you Nick for helping me with my images?
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  Speaker 1: Did this idea for ever help you with? Did that
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  Speaker 1: influence your kind of stuff? With the fourth initiative at all?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? The four the it exactly is all this. And
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  Speaker 2: then I found this equation. So I wrote the fourth
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  Speaker 2: initiation before this, of course, and then found this equation
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  Speaker 2: and the matrix of four. I've found that it is
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  Speaker 2: a super useful tool or set of tools that helps
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  Speaker 2: me have situational understanding of potentials, right, and it also
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  Speaker 2: again like with the prior set of four, it helps
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  Speaker 2: conceptualize reality. And I think that is what the four
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  Speaker 2: elements is kind of putting forth in effect, and we
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  Speaker 2: can even see it we break down that word, it
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  Speaker 2: means god mind right, and so godliness, affinity or being
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  Speaker 2: in correspondence with Godliness is understanding l meant is it's right,
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  Speaker 2: It's right in the words, and so the four elements
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  Speaker 2: certainly have all sorts of layer of layers of interpretation.
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  Speaker 2: But one is a way to comprehend reality. Let's go
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  Speaker 2: to the next one.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's another wild way just to add I
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  Speaker 1: guess to even I guess other systems of four that
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  Speaker 1: have some pretty deep thought to it. Empedically is when
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  Speaker 1: he looked at these, he would call them roots and
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  Speaker 1: not elements, and he was pretty it was rather deep
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  Speaker 1: stuff on this stuff. And again it was kind of
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  Speaker 1: like another system of four that you know, brought together
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  Speaker 1: a hole.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, well it makes entire sense. And even our
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  Speaker 2: whole way of perceiving mathematically is through four and or
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  Speaker 2: the duality of polarity and effect with the four operations
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  Speaker 2: of arithmetic, and of course the tech tractus celebrates the
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  Speaker 2: four dimensions of geometry that we'll get to, and of course.
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  Speaker 5: No, I had a question about the previous slide. Is
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  Speaker 5: there a particular reason why water and earth is.
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  Speaker 4: Switched?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? I think that's correct, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? There the are they wrong?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Well actually.
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  Speaker 2: Online to.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, which one is going with the directions?
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  Speaker 5: Because if you're going from would east and then fire
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  Speaker 5: would be south. Then water is usually wet uh west, yes,
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  Speaker 5: and then earth would be north, So those two were switched.
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  Speaker 5: I was just wondering, is there any any particular reason.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, I just I just quickly got that image.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I see where you're coming out. If
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  Speaker 1: we were to be doing with the ritual of the
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  Speaker 1: pedagraph right now, those directions would be all of Is
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  Speaker 1: that what you get? Yeah, I see what you said. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for sure, for sure. That's funny because a friend I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking about? And I was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's not exactly what That's not what it looks like
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  Speaker 1: at LIBA and I don't know Libra. Yeah. Sorry, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, it's good. It's good to enhance the information.
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  Speaker 2: So the next one is shows another set of four
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  Speaker 2: that modern scientists use, uh to understand the four forces. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So again, are there different ways to look at things always,
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  Speaker 2: but four provided scientific and sacred geometry and philosophical ways
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  Speaker 2: to observe things. And let's go. Let's go to the
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  Speaker 2: next one.
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  Speaker 1: I like how you have electromagnetism on here. You may
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  Speaker 1: have listened to it because you do seem to actually,
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  Speaker 1: you know, comment or you say things to me that
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  Speaker 1: makes me think you actually listened to the show. So
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  Speaker 1: Mechanics of Magic, I think I covered on the brain
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  Speaker 1: wave show that even those like reading it's all it is.
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  Speaker 2: I need to catch up work though, Nick, you've been
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  Speaker 2: doing so much.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's been a couple of times you've said things
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  Speaker 1: to me about like specifics about certain shows, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, crap, okay, this is my man. Listened
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  Speaker 1: to it. Even with like the brain waves, the alpha,
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  Speaker 1: the beta, the gamut and all that stuff, all that
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  Speaker 1: is showing believing or that which I never knew until
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  Speaker 1: like I started looking into it, is like a fluctuation
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  Speaker 1: between the electromagnetism. Basically, there's like you know, the plus
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  Speaker 1: and the minus. You know, there's a magnet and there's
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  Speaker 1: some sort of energy and then like the frictionator, like
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  Speaker 1: I guess like depending on how far apart they are
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  Speaker 1: or how closer they are, it creates like a different
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  Speaker 1: kind of uh hurts or whatever rhythm it's. It's just
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  Speaker 1: basically all you're reading is the distortion of the distance
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  Speaker 1: between the electro magnetism fields. And I'm like, yo, that
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  Speaker 1: is fucking crazy that It's like basically like they even
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  Speaker 1: showed something else now that found has uh has electromagnetism
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  Speaker 1: going on in it. I can't remember what it is,
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  Speaker 1: but it was to the point now that they're thinking
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  Speaker 1: that might actually be like one of the basics of life.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, I've been like a fucking been
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  Speaker 1: saying that for how long. Now when you look at
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  Speaker 1: the occult, that's exactly what my opinion, that's right. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to explain the pillars, one's a magnet
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  Speaker 1: and the other one's projective. Oh so yeah. But I
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  Speaker 1: just I'm glad that you included that because that is
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  Speaker 1: rather interesting. How many like you know, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: with the brain waves and other things that I've looked at,
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  Speaker 1: how much electro magnetism is is actually behind shit that's
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  Speaker 1: going on?
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  Speaker 2: All right, I'll shut up, right and yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: it's arguably the demonstrated in the very yin yang symbol
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  Speaker 2: electromagnetic forces and flows right uh and here again another
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  Speaker 2: are four full dynamic to comprehend reality. It keeps occurring,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's scientific or metaphysical, as we'll get more into.
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  Speaker 2: But I just wanted to bring up for those who
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  Speaker 2: are just listening and not looking, plasma, gas, liquid and
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  Speaker 2: solid states of matter. Again, sacred geometry in effect could
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  Speaker 2: be or is I should say, esoterically measure of earth
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  Speaker 2: and esoteric we I I would say that it is
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  Speaker 2: measure of earth and time and space and mind and
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  Speaker 2: any number of other things that are metaphysical. So let's
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  Speaker 2: let's go to the next one here, okay, And this
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  Speaker 2: is from Plato's Republic. Arguably the divided line, maybe I
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  Speaker 2: should say, essentially, the divided line is a four fold
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  Speaker 2: measure of consciousness and how consciousness measures reality, and it
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  Speaker 2: is at root of the allegory of the Cave, arguably
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  Speaker 2: the most foundational and influential, most influential philosophy there is,
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  Speaker 2: and essentially the real and the reflections of the real
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  Speaker 2: and there is the reflections and the abstractions off of that,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, with the third and fourth are often more
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  Speaker 2: hard to distinguish. But mathematics is an insubstantial thought form,
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  Speaker 2: and algebra is a reflection off of that in substantial
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  Speaker 2: thought form. Right, But we can many people have noted
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  Speaker 2: that within this four fold divided line is five the
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  Speaker 2: golden ratio. We can we can go on here. One
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  Speaker 2: one way of coordinating the ideas within it is a
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  Speaker 2: is a five in twofold essentially.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I thought? It was really interesting the
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  Speaker 1: way you were talking about like if the image is
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  Speaker 1: real or not? And I was like, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: like such a weird like you know, sometimes I wonder
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  Speaker 1: when you see spellings like this, you know, is there
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  Speaker 1: something behind it or not? But like think of a
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  Speaker 1: movie reel, you know, and you're saying, is this image
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  Speaker 1: real or not? Like movie real isn't spelled the same.
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  Speaker 1: It's you know, obviously our E E L. But it's
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  Speaker 1: not real at all. It's an application of an image,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like that's like when you
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  Speaker 1: were just saying if the image is real or not?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking of a movie real and how that's
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  Speaker 1: actually fake and the word is so close the other
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  Speaker 1: the you know what I'm saying, the opposite of that.
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  Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I just find that weird.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just a stone thought I just had.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, No one's to the kind of cultural reflection
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  Speaker 2: of this duality that's kind of harder to perceive than
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  Speaker 2: the real and reflections of There are moods this insubstantial
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  Speaker 2: non real real R E E. L as you point out,
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  Speaker 2: and then a reflection off of that that is even
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  Speaker 2: less substantial. Not that movies are not worth anything, but
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  Speaker 2: something that is a reflection off of that might be
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  Speaker 2: a show about movies or a show about the characters
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  Speaker 2: in that movie. Right, it's a reflection of a reflection.
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  Speaker 2: It gets farther, and.
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  Speaker 1: When you think about it like that, Okay, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: just like a mirror reflecting an image to something. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all right, awesome, thank you Ethan.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. And so here we have the tech tractus what
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  Speaker 2: the Pythagoreans and Pythagoras celebrated in that four and ten prayer,
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  Speaker 2: and we see this is a celebration of sacred geometry
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  Speaker 2: that is among the many secrets of this symbol. It
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  Speaker 2: is the four dimensions of geometry. Up top, we have
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  Speaker 2: the point symbolic for the first dimension of geometry of
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  Speaker 2: the point, and the next level down we have two dots,
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  Speaker 2: which is the minimum number of points required for a line.
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  Speaker 2: And on the next dimension below that we have three points,
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  Speaker 2: which is the minimal number of points for a flat surface,
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  Speaker 2: and below that ship I use this image, Oh where
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  Speaker 2: where did I? Where did I freeze up.
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  Speaker 4: When you were about to talk about four.
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  Speaker 2: Uh? The bottom level is made up of four points,
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  Speaker 2: which is the minimum number required for a solid right,
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  Speaker 2: And so the idea of sacred geometry is celebrating creation
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  Speaker 2: because geometry is the measure of creation. And we can
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  Speaker 2: see here in the center there's this hexagonal and hex
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  Speaker 2: hexagon and hexagon star, and there's the center point which
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  Speaker 2: is correspond corresponds with the circumpunct in effect. But again
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  Speaker 2: there's many different sacred geometry ideas going on there, but
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  Speaker 2: among them you can see basically the four dimensions of
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  Speaker 2: the elements in that hexagon.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And this tech tractus is not just in the past
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  Speaker 2: as far as its influence, because it really was part
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  Speaker 2: of the foundation of the Biblical story that we get.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's let's go to the next one, and the
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  Speaker 2: in the Bible, the tetragrammaton is the biblical oh dope,
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  Speaker 2: the is the biblical formation of the tetra tech tractus, right,
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  Speaker 2: And this is a fourfold name for God. And I
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  Speaker 2: would propose more more specifically, it is not the hidden
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  Speaker 2: word of God, and it is more specifically the hidden logos,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: or rather lexicon. It's the hidden grammar. And we can
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: even see that in the word tetragrammaton. It literally says
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: for grammation, but we don't say grammation, we say grammar.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: So and we can also see there are points and lines,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and you can imagine circles and spheres in the other
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: formation of it. But most importantly we see the four
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: and ten, which when people play around with numbers, they
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: of course might multiply four and ten and get the forty.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: But one important aspect not to get too off track,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: but this adds up to seventy two in Hebrew gramatria,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the name of God. And so let's let's go to
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the next one. Seventy two is the number of hours
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: in three days which we have Jesus having a whole
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: astrological symbolism having to do with the three days. But
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: seventy two is essentially three days of three sets of
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: twenty four hours, right, and within seventy two hours is
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: four thousand, three hundred and twenty minutes. So I would
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: propose that Jesus is a sacred geometer, and there I
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: list out here a bunch of relationships with and seventy
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: two to kind of get the significance of this in
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: traditional speaking. So I'll just read out real quick, seventy
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: days in traditional mummification process, forty days spent in natron,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the salt that would out the mummified bodies. L and
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Astrara were known to have seventy children, which is seventy
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: two depending on the way it is. One notes the
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: translation the septuagen from Alexandria. The first Bible was seventy
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: two translators some say seventy. Also, seventy two is one
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: half of one hundred and forty four, a super significant
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: base number for the one hundred and forty four thousand
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: or twelve times twelve in the Bible. As well, Seventy
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: two is the number of years it takes to travel
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: one degree in the Great year, And of course I
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: mentioned the four to three to zero minutes in the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: seventy two hours, and four thousand, three hundred and twenty
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: divided by one O eight is forty. And we we
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: we know the same kind of base number as the
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: four thousand, three hundred and twenty. It's in three days,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: pling a frequency, a healing tone. It's a number at
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: its base that is in the Sumerian kings list. And
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: it also is four thousand, three hundred, four thousand, four
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand, thirty two, four hundred and thirty two thousand,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: excuse me, is the number of years in the Coli Yuga.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: And another fascinating little side quest, one hundred and forty
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: four thousand divided by oneh eight is one thousand, three
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty three point three three three. And again
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the thirteen Jesus and his twelve disciples, and the thirty
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: three Jesus supposedly lived to be thirty three years. All
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: these are kind of biblically oriented numbers. And I don't
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: mean to get too much on a side quest there,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: but just that the three days is.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, we lost you at the three days when we
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: went to go explain the three days.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was just saying, I just wanted to note
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: that that it corresponds with the four three hundred and twenty,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: almost as if part of part of the country or
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: understanding time and space and so forth. So I hope
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: that wasn't too off track. But let's let's go to
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the next one.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I was even thinking of the goatia with the seventy
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: two demons.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Oh right, right, the this this comes from in Exodus.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: There is three sentences each with seventy two words, and
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: they combined them to form what is known as the
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: seventy two Names of God. And this is where the
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: seventy two Seals of Solomon later arrive from and correspond
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: to Oh wow, yeah, yeah, So here we have here,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: we have the seventy two names of God, which Nick,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: as you eloquent point out, this is where the sidels
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: of Solomon originate.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: And again it's just one of those numbers that is
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: super eloquent. I didn't mention it's two thirds of one
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: oh eight. Right, there's there's two sets of thirty six
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in seventy two and in one and eight it would
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: be one more thirty six. Jin is here the man.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, Jen, what's up.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Sorry, guys, I just came off in my own life,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: but I wanted to. I wanted to support you guys,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: especially because Ethan and I were talking about, like how
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: you might talk about aid in the mantracas, and that's
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: like my favorite subject. So you know, I'm not a
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: math guy, but I do love the magic numbers. So
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: thank you boss for having me and Judith. Of course,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I love being it's a great, you know, little roundtable
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: over here. So I just wanted to. I really just
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: came on to support Ethan. So thank you guys so much.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: For I'm so grateful that you're here. This is, as
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I kind of mentioned, I understand the synthesis of these
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: amazing ideas, but you have dug into the well of
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: one of the upcoming ideas deeply and profoundly. So I'm
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: so glad you're here. I was just mentioning the seventy
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: two names of God from the Bible correspond with the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: seventy two sidgels of Solomon or case of Solomon. Excuse me,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: let's go go to the next one here. This is
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: another four fold dynamic of understanding consciousness and reality. Right,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: and of course this is one of the if not
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: the oldest symbols on the planet. And there's no word
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: for it. You just write it out like that. And
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: it's in a duality of polarity, describing our states of consciousness,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: wake state, dream state, deep sleeping, and deep awakening. And
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the fifth, the number five is the obscuration, the Sea
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: of Mara, the sam Saric, you know, influences that blind
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: us to our true potential and so. But but what
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: is significant and important is the fourfold dynamic. There's a
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: let's let's go in the next one here.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Can I just say something quick, Ethan, is that it's
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: really interesting that the five you're saying that that's the
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Maya layer. So it's kind of like the inverse of
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Kabbala in a way where you're like going through the
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: physical densities to a like a higher spiritual octave or
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: the fifth layer part as, which is really like turquoise
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: or like empty dim like lightning. But this is the
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: kind of the opposite because but it is also related,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: so you could say that it's.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Like differently used contrast.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Sorry, no, no, no, don't be sorry that I I
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: it's like almost like the inverse. But I'm not saying
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: like the transgressive inverse, it's kind of like the it
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: unfolds it differently. It's like because a like a more
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: dharmic way is like that Maya is the light, so
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: the outer luminosity of things, where the Kabalistic idea is
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: that the inner luminosity is the of primacy. And but
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Dharma also says the same thing. So it's interesting because
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: like the husk can be illuminated, this is a more
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: loreonic concept, like a very advanced Kabala idea that the
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: husks themselves can be understood as the klipas can be
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: understood as illuminant and also can be transparent if we
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: come into that for states of consciousness. I just think
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: it's really interesting.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: And and it's some of these modalities I think are
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: powerful just in that they correspond with other sets of
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: four pertaining to mind and comprehension of reality. This this
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: quote I think helps for me really reveal Ohm by
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: revealing its contrast Hum. And I think it's beautiful that
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: it's in the om Mani Padme Hum mantra, which is
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: four words six syllables. But it kind of reveals I
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: think in a sense that the universal in the individual
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: and the individual in the universe. If you will, I'll
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: just quote here. Om is the infinite, but hum is
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the infinite in the finite, the eternal in the temporal,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the timeless in the moment, the unconditioned in the conditioned,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the formless as basis of all form, the transcendental in
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: the effhirm rule, it is the wisdom of the great mirror,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: which reflects the void as much as the objects, and
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: reveals the emptiness in things as much as the things.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: In the emptiness. To see things as parts as incomplete
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: elements is a lower analytic knowledge. The absolute is everywhere.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: It has to be seen and found everywhere. So the
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: hum and the om are related conceptually. I find that
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: understanding that is helpful.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: The six in the four are also ten. Sorry, the
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: six in the four are also ten because bis Buddhism
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: obviously resolves the paradox of numbers with one zero, right,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: So even that there's like an at like even though
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: that's kind of exoteric, the six and the four, But
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I think most people were citing like that mantra, even
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: though that's like a very exoteric mantra, like very like suture.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Any normy can do that mantra. I don't think that
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: they would necessarily count the syllables. So even though I'm
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: saying it's like exoteric numbers like the six and four,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I think it That's sort of my thinking of magic
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: now is like it has to happen in our perception.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: So if we understand that there are six and four
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: and that's ten, then we can say, oh, then the
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: paradox of numbers is resolved. But if we're not thinking
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: about it, like in the sense of like we're not
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: trying to like penetrate the deeper mysteries of what that is,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I think that we maybe forget or don't even we
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: never really come to higher.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Understanding beautiful gen and from what I understand, and this
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: corresponds with other traditions too, I found there is an
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: activation word to this own monipodme hum mantra, and it
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: is shri, right, that's the activator annunciation. If I'm not mistaken,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Jen might know better than I.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Well. The only thing I would really out ethan is
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: that like the Ome for Buddhism actually came much later,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: so people would associate it with like the Buddhist mantras
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: by maybe the seventh or eighth century. But before that
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: they wouldn't have used the om because that was considered
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: to be a Vedontic sort of attribute of the like
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: from the mind. But then Buddhism had a bunch of
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: like scholars that came later, like how Nikolays talks about,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: like you have to kind of look and know the
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: lineage and trajectory and the historiography of things. You can't
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: just like if you're looking at it from a really
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: traditional Buddhist perspective, yeah, you wouldn't have the own. But
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: because we had like thinkers and like philosophers and practitioners
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: that started including it and sort of reconcile the paradox
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: of the mind, like how do we bring the mind,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: this Vedontic idea of like this eternalist mind, how do
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: we start relating it to our very esoteric practices, which
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: is of course mantra. So I would say that's one
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: that would be my one interesting note about Omani padme Houng.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: But I think you're totally right in your inclination to say,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: like Hong is a super important vija. It's probably it's
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: not the necessarily the aonic beja as I would think
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: of it, But it's it's so important. It's when the
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: like when Nick does the sorry Nick, I have to
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: use all the keynot that you do for the show,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: but the when he does the eclipse logo or the
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: lightning flash logo. That's exactly how you'd visualize it in
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: your mind. You would see the lightning coming descending down
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: from the dark sky onto the turquoise water, and then
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: what Buddhism would do is you would actually unfold it
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: by going back upwards like the hung you're imagining the
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: actual letter, but the letter is the lightning strike, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: the letter also has flashing colors, so Home would flash
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: adamantine or silver. Silver is a more normy color way
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: to understand, but really it's not silver. It's like flashing metal.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: And so you bring it down to send it into
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: your body, and then you bring it then you kind
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: of bring it back up so the space remains perscene. Yeah,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you've heard like a lot of Buddhists talk
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: about that ethan like that you want the mind touls
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: to maintain the same prosceine. So that's that's exactly what
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: that's for. So Home is like the the bija that
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: sort of makes all the Beja's work. It is the
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: lightning flash, if you want to say that.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: And and to add to I brought this phrase too,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: to add to the interpretation of the tetragramaton, because within
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: it the symbols have this same idea. On is the
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: infinite and hum the infinite in the finite with the
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: points and windows, if you will. In the tetragramaton. Uh so,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: let's let's go to the next one here, and I
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: swear we're going to start getting away from this polarity
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: and the four. But it's just really interesting how it
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: repeatedly the same dynamic. Okay, so here's here's where we
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: get into some of the more sacred geometry ideas. The
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Pyramid of Giza is built in a way that it
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: has Pi and fig. And also guess what size it
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: is in relation to the Earth. It's forty three two
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: hundred sides of the Earth. And there's that number again, right,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: three two. So it's the most kind of sacred geometry
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: construction on the planet, people say, But within it is
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: the four three two. Let's let's go go to the
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: next one. Unless anyone has any any input.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Well, I know the golden guys don't like this, but
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: I always say like that four three two sort of number.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I know, next laughing the number magic. But okay, but
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: if you are the witness to that, if you are
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: the one like as the perceiver of those things, then
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: that is also the ten. I just want to say that.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: And and like, there's an idean Platinus that isn't that
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: That's not my material at all. I'm like, it's totally
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: stealing from like Ethan and Arrows, and like all the
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: discussions I've listened to, this is not something that's coming
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: from my knowledge base at all. But I'm just saying,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: there is a there's an idea in Platinus where he agrees.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: So you know the ten is it's always there. There's
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: always a hidden one, right ten right?
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Well, and here I start to bring up here the
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: forty and the rain fell on the earth for forty
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: days and forty nights. The Bible uses so many I
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: would say, initiatory time periods of forty days and even
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: forty years, and you know this is possibly there are
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: pre biblical reasons for this. I pointed out that the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Egyptians would immerse the mummification process by way of forty
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: days in the Natron was often again for the elite people.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: They had different ways to do it later on that
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: were less expensive, but the original process was forty days
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: in natron. The Hebrews also had a tradition where after birth,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: a woman was considered forgive me for using this term
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: unclean for forty days if they had a boy, and
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: eighty days if they had a girl. I think what
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: they mean, though, is that the woman should not have uh,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: you know, sexual activity for forty and eighty days.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: But again we see that this is a time period
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: of transformation, no matter if it's from from birth or
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: to the to the next world. In the Egyptian conceptuality,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: let's and and you know sets of forty In the Bible,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: where Jesus, you know, uh comes Lent is forty days.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Jesus visited after he rose for forty days. There's different
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: forty day processes that he went through to get pass
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: the you know, worldly ways. Moses had a similar kind
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: of idea, going on a forty day initiatory, right, So
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: in a sense, forty might be symbolic of the time
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: period it takes for one to change oneself for the better.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: US Modern psychologists point out that if you repeat things
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: for forty days, it's a new habit. So interestingly enough,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: so forty is the I think the symbol of initiation
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: and individuation, as as we'll see more here. Let's go
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: to the next one. Oh and I mentioned I mentioned
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: some of these, but more more, more more references to
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: the Old Testament concept of the the forty and the
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: eighty we can we can.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: I wanted to touch on this because it's it's ironic
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: and I don't know if they knew it back then,
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: but her being unclean and not having to have basically
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: sex during that time, that's usually the when after giving birth,
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: those are the times where a woman is most fertile
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: and most likely to have another child, like back to
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: back when you have Please excuse me for using the
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: term irish twins. That's usually where that term comes from,
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: because they usually get pregnant within that window.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: They're more fertile for some reason during that time.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Interesting, true, is true a lot of people when I
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: already the rowth, but I even sort of with a
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: lot of people even either growing up like other families
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: around me or happening to some of my friends. Yeah,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: it would be like they it's just like come on,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: didn't you know that already?
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Like there probably is a biological component to all of this,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: like in the sense like when you know, like when
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Nick does the eyeball stuff, it's like the same thing.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: There's like a direct biological layer to all metaphysics, at
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: least at one layer. Yeah, of me is one of many, right,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: it's not the only one, but it's a really important one,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: and one that maybe the sort of the part that
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: gets the most obfuscated. It's like what Juda is saying
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: is like there's a conventional wisdom, like a kind of
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: quote unquote folk wisdom, but also a scientific wisdom that
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: backs it up. But I think that people totally don't know.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people actually don't know.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: That's why I like it covering that shit because and
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think, you know, it's funny yew, you have
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: to jump on golden dorn people. But they seem to
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: be the ones that I don't know from when I've
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: talked to bringing up like a lot of science stuff,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: even though they're friends with academics, they didn't seem to
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: like the science stuff backing up a lot of stuff.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And I was like, to me, it's you know, I
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: think maybe when I do that, some people maybe think
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: it takes away, like I guess, the magic, But I
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: don't think it does. I think if anything, improving it more.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think it enhances it in my mind. But
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I guess it's all how you look at it.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but uh yeah, I do agree.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people look at it
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: like that, which is exactly why I'm trying to jump
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: on that type of you know stuff. You know, so,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: and I do think there was something there, and I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: think it's highly highly important.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: So you think about it, how many things were seeing
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: mystical and occultish back during the Renaissance that science has
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: since proven to be true and have the data back it.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're all right, it's totally right.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: It also proves, like I think, Nick, what you're like,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to speak for you at all, but
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: I think it actually proves a lot of wisdom science
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: because if you can actually relate it to material things,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: then you have to also accept that's maybe some of
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: the miss quote unquote mysticism that they're talking about, maybe
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: that is real too. And I think, actually, I'm not
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: trying to pick on anyone's system or any you know,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: people who've been on the show or anything like that.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: But I do think that there there's a kind of
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: obfuscation of magic in general, and I think that people
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: tend to prefer their own ways of obfuscating and their
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: narratives that they use to sort of contain like what
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: they think the masses should know about wisdom science, Like
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I think that's very strange to me. That's a very
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: strange way to sort of go through the universe. But
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I'm you know, I like cast magic. So people can
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: say I'm discordion or whatever, but I don't know. I
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: just find like those kinds of ways, like where you
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: don't acknowledge that there is like a material element to
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: all of these things, like do you then I would
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: actually question if they believed in anything, like if do
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: they have a higher metaphysical truth, because if you can't
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: accept that there are multiple layers of reality, like are
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: you even a magician?
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I think even science, going back to even the
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: whole reason behind it is like I think, trying to
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: figure out or explain the something you don't understand. I mean,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: that's the whole fucking thing behind callism.
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: But when it comes down to it, it all comes
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: down to the numbers, because on both sides the numbers
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: are valuable and the numbers show the truth.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: That is interesting too, yeah, and I mean, isn't There's
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: so many ways to empower magic by way of correspondence, right,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: when you get the quantity being reflective of a certain
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: quality too, it's just another kind of addition to that process, maybe, right.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, there's numerous references to forty being and
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: intory processes and let's we can we can go to
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: the next one. Okay, So the maybe the greatest initiatory
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: construction is referenced as the pyramid, the Great Pyramid of Giza,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: and of course their measurement system was not feet, and
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: likely they didn't know meters, although people argue about it,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: but they definitely had cubits and the base the sides
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: rather of the pyramid are four hundred and forty cubits,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: which there's the four again, and the height is two
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: hundred and eighty cubits, which of Siris of Cyrus tradition
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: corresponds with rebirth and the twenty eight for guess what,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: four weeks four seven day sets and that is when
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: grains would start growing again, the rebirth process. That was
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: his agricultural aspect. And this height and base with actually
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: it turns out that it has five right in it,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: which is one point six one eight, the golden the
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: golden ratio, and so the golden ratio is one point
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: six one eight, and the Fibonacci sequence corresponds with the
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: golden ratio with variants. And I would say a lot
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: of numerological ideas are not necessarily exact, but present the
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: idea nonetheless present, present the valuable lesson or symbolism nonetheless.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: And here we can see four forty is eleven forties
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: and two to eighty is seven forties. There's the week again,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: but it's it's more for the time of a lunar
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: month period a month right the twenty eight days, and
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: we can we can move on unless anyone out anything. Uh.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Here here we have at the foot of the Great
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Pyramid was found an arc. The arc is symbolic for
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: the vehicle that one goes into the afterlife with. And
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: there's the sacred scarab of Egyptian cosmology. And in the
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: boat there are seven figures. And if you look very closely,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: great job, Nick. If you look very closely on the left,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: there's actually the eighth figure. There is a little snaky.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Yes it is.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: And so the eight is the four pair. And this
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: happens in Egypt and elsewhere. So let's let's go to
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: the next one. And the scrib is most spoken about,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: is being celebrated for its relationship with the rising sun
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: because it would transport little balls of manure up and
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: over and around, and they related that to the sun,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: and the scrib was transporting the sun. That's one way
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: that the Scareb was sacred with the Egyptians. Possibly there
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: might be other reasons, as we'll get into.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: So and that's carried by raw And I've learned a
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: lot shout out to on YouTube, this guy to Hoodie.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I've learned so many great things about comet from him. So, uh,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: this here is a depiction of the eight prime horses
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: of the Egyptians, the Ogduod of the meters from where
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: we get the word nature more than likely. And this
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: is again four pair and not not just eight. So
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: and eight is a Fibonacci number. I'm not sure that's
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: why it's entirely so provocative and celebrated widely, but it
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: is one of the numbers of the Fibonacci sequence when
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: you start at zero. So let's go to the next.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, we just looked at a vessel in Egypt
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: that contained eight figures, and the Chinese character for boat
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: is an eight person vessel, which is I think provocative
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: that it has a correspondence there. And of course in
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: the Bible, the famous story of the forty days and
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: forty nights is done by way of four pairs of people.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Noah and his three sons and their wives are in
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: the boat as eight people. So I think, I think
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: that's just an interesting relationship. Let's go and let's unless
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: anyone has any in both, we can go to the
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: next one. So another we just looked at the four
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: pair of the ogdood relating to the eight elemental gods.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: The same thing again. Again, it happens, or at least
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: a mirroring contrast happens in the West, excuse me, the East,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: when we have the two main energies that are actually
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: four fold within the yin Yang, and we have the Bagua,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: which are these eight elements that are the found foundation
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: for the eaching, which is a divination tool and exploration
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: based on eight times eight. So these trigrams unfold and
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: connect and link with other trigrams to form sixty four
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: combination possibilities. And it's it's one of the oldest pulp
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: still published books on the planet, if not the oldest.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: And it's really a primal exploration of energies and used
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: in divination processes. And it's there it is again the
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: fourfold leading into the four pair fold of the of
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: the Bagua symbols, and then leading into the sixty four
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: as we'll see, unfolds unfolds quite a bit, and all
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: in the same direction towards comprehension of consciousness. It's often
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: suggested that the swirling snakes on the staffs that are
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: associated with Tahudi and maybe Moses, and here we have
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Fuzi and nu Wah, that these spiraling lines might reflect
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: the sacred geometry number, that is, the one point six,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: the golden ratio. But here we see Fuzi and new
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Wah given credit for the invention of the eight trigrams
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: and the sixty four hexagrams. And here we see in
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: their hands the sacred geometry tools, the compass and square.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: And again this is this is from the East, not
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: any Western Freemasonic associations. They had the compass and square
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: because they were divine geometers, if you will. And this
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: is kind of the iteration, the Taoist iteration of Tahodi
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: and both. Of course we can go the next one.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Something I wanted to say before, Uh, you know, when
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: you were talking about I think you were talking about
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: the eight or something. Oh yeah, with the eight on
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: the I guess on the dead Egyptian boat, barge, bark,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. To HOODI, to HOODI
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: would be associated with number eight, or at least I
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: would think the ot o or like the limit practice
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: or to see him with mercury. And in libra Resh
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: he is always standing at the prow whenever you do
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: liber Resh, which is mimicking the Egyptian great barge in
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the sky, you know, so he's always in that what
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: direction you're looking at and praying to?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and then.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Sorry something sorry about this nick. When you do that ritual,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: do you face east?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: You'll start off there, I think in the morning.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's really interesting to me, just because obviously
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: I related to my own system. And then think about it,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: how to break it down? From there, but yeah, that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: would make a lot of sense, like the soul. Yeah,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: the solar principle of the rising sun, which is not
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: actually like in Tontra we differentiate the morning sun and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: the evening sun. So I don't know, but that seems
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: and like even the midday sun. Some people will say
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: in contra astrology or Joe Tisha that it's actually Venus
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: is our midday sun at the sort of like the
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: that one point, so I knew, and it's really the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: diamond of Venus that shines down on us.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: But the morning sign would just see the diamond of Venus,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: you said.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how they would think of it, or even me,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: like I've described it that a couple of times.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Before, because the morning uh for like sunrise or uprising
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: sun or whatever however you're saying it in that that's
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: with raw But then at noon you'd get Hathla. Well
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, with the Venus. Yeah, she
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: would even fall on sometimes. I think she would be
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: in Crawley seven seven seven, a female deity you could
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: use for netsuck.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: So I mean it makes sense. She makes total sense
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to use her all the time because
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: it to hoodie. I just figured that made sense if
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I wanted to use netsuck. A lot of times I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: used Hathla for that because I was already you know,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: predisposed to tooth in Egyptian.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes that does make sense because that is
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: the lower world polarity. It's between netsuck and hode. So
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: that's exactly that's like good magic. That's exactly what you'd
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: want to do. It is like activate both the nodes
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: so then you could draw because that both of the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: nodes are both are all the nodes too. It's not
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: just we just tend to conceptualize them as different, but
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: really the whole tree arises from ho that's the whole idea. Yeah, right,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: so it's the light from Venus that enables like the
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: hode to reflect the tree upwards. Anyways, I'm sorry.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, can I have to ask you a question.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: You're talking about using Venus or using her.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: In the East.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: Sometimes they like when Okay, so she'd be considered like
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: the apex. But there's this is something really interesting, but
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this directly answers your question. The
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Venus can be considered to be the falling star of
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Tuesday of Mars. So there's a lot of contric things
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: that would could happen, Like you could schedule like rituals
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: or pujas or whatever for Friday or not Friday Tuesday evening.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: But then you would also say Venus is the rising star,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: the morning star, excuse me, the morning star of Friday,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: and Mars is the evening star of Friday. So you'd
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: have like that really interesting like Gevra and nets Ah connection.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: That's really interesting one off. That's another reason for the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: fleshing colors, because you know how like they do the
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: deflectioning colors, they do correlate with each other, Mores and Venus.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Yes, even in the even in that example that like
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: a lot of the GD people use like of the rose. Yeah,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: that's a really good example for that interaction. It's not
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: even like a rose with thorns is much better at
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: describing that inter relationship than even it is, like in
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: terms of like astrological like planetary astroerbalism. That is what
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: I was trying to say, Like there's a there's better
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: herbs for just Venus, but when you're using the rose,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: you're really describing the connection between the two.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that all right, Ethan, sorry about that.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: No, no, it's good, It's all great. I was just
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: going to add that another relationship of to HOODI and
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: eight was in creation stories related to the Ogdoad and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: the Neaeders, but also Hermopolis was the city that both
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: warship was central and the Meaeders as well. And of
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: course there's the eight immortal aspects of the Egyptian soul
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: as well. So we can go to the next one,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: and here's the sixty four hexagrams. The eight times eight
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: create sixty four potentials and it is very much mathematical construct.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: I'll read a quote here from Terence McKenna, who became
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: obsessed with the eaching. Now, of course it's a divination tool,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: but it's also I think in reading it it provides
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: I think, primal understanding of energies. But the mathematics of
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: it are amazing despite it being practice as a divination
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: tool for millennia. Now i'll read this quote here. The
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: bottom line is the people who pursued this understanding of
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: time achieved as sophisticated a relationship to time as the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Western relationship to matter expressed through our ability to trigger
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: fusion and fission, and it is not necessarily mystical. What
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: I did was entirely mathematical. I think true understanding can
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: be communicated and formally described with mathematics, and that's what
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: we have here. We are on the brink of a
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: fusion of Western science with quote unquote Eastern mysticism. Nothing
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: mystical about it except that we call it mysticism. But
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: the fusion of these two viewpoints is going to give
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: us a complete understanding of the universe of space, time, matter,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: and energy, and some of the amazing math I'll break
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: down real quick. We have the sixty four hexagrams sixty
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: four times six. The numbers in a hexagram is three
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: hundred and eighty four. This is essentially thirteen moon cycles,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: which would be three hundred and eighty three point nine days.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: So it's I think not necessarily coincidental that it is
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: a way to understand time and energy the same way
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: that in the West we look at the table of
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: elements to understand matter. The eaching is as efficient of
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: a system to look at time. And also, three hundred
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: and eighty four multiplied by sixty four equals twenty four thousand,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: five hundred and seventy six, close to the time and
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: years of the Great year, the astrological cycle. So some
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: really neat concepts going on with this by eight sixty
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: four in terms of measuring time and mind. And we
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: can go to the next one and listen any one
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: to anything to.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: Say, I like what you said that last rhyme that
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: you did ethan time in mind, because that is exactly
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: what it is. It's the Bna coming into the yes said,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: It's like the mind arises in the nine and also
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: in the eight, because the eight is like the conceptualization
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: of that of whatever the world is, but the primordial
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: mind is really in the nine. And so that's also
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: like another parallel that I've also found, like when I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: don't really discuss the eaching, that's definitely like your material.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: But for me, like I do think about it obviously sometimes.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: And I because we have the idea of the time king,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: the Mahakala, he expresses he is nine, but he expresses
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: himself eight times eight dances. That's exactly how they describe it,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: just like Urjef like eight dances into the world. So
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: I mean there you have seventy two right there, as
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: well as seventeen as well as a sort of like
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: toth or the I'm sorry, the hode yes ode and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: been a connection, like all of those things are what
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: really create time, or at least our perception of time.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: So I think this makes a lot of sense, and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: I think this is why a lot of Western magicians
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: really love the eaching, because I think it's so close.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: Like I think, once you're deep in metaphysics, you can
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: start to look at it and you don't even have
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: to fully understand the Chinese way of thinking about it,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: you can. It just kind of unfolds and makes sense.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: And obviously there is something very binary code about the
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: like the hexagrams, and they.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Clearly as a binary system apart.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: No, don't, don't apologize at all. I mean I didn't,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: it's your upsode, But I'm just I do find that
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: to be very It's deep, right, like there're there's a
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: deep metaphysics to the e ching, and I think a
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: lot of people recognize it.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: And and it corresponds with as when we come to
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: you can get into more. It corresponds with the eight
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: matricas and the sixty four yoguineis.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, that's the whole thing, and I think that
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: that's like a perfect way to like bring it around
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: to that is like why does this Chinese system correspond
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: to this Indian system that arose totally differently independently quote
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: is supposedly air quotes independently and at totally different times
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: in totally different places. Like it's it's kind of interesting,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: and they're both pausing this resolution of paradox of sixty four,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: so the six and the four, So maybe you could
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: say it's a different in the Hesset. Well, that's kind
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: of interesting you think about it in like aonic terms,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: like you know has said, as we've often talked about
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: on this like in this show many many times, that
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: is kind of like one of the key points of
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: the of like moving the cycle is like the embrace
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: of Hesset. Now how do you enact it? I don't know,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: but the idea is there, and like bring it into
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: balance into tiffer it. Obviously that's a very an of
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: Mott sort of way of thinking, right, Like as Curley said,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: like Horace is at Gevra, but Geverra and Hesset are
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: not actually two different sephra. And I wonder if he
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: even wrote that to see like to test a lot
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: of like the newcomer Oto people to sort of say like, yeah,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna put it on this pillar of severity, and
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: in the sephra that they often translate as severity, I
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: personally wouldn't use severity. I would use strength. I think
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: that's better. But you know, it's it's the tension. It's
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: the tension between Hessaid and Gevra that really make the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: whole tree work. They're the that's the primary polarity. So
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: you could almost say that Hesseid and Geverra they have
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: to be interacting at all times, so you could easily
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: say the sun or Horrus or whomever. You could easily
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: place them at hasset. It doesn't even require like that
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: much conceptual difference or that much cabalistic difference.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: And the whole orientation to add under the polarity of it.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Of course, with the hexagrams, there's the polar polarity of
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: the two trigrams in each of the hexagrams, but also
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: if you look at them, they are each in pairings
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: as they unfold. The first two are pairs, the second two, second,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: the third and fourth rather our pairs, so on and
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: so forth. They are all kind of complementary polarities, and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: there's some more in neat eight and sixty fours. As
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: we'll see here, I think we can go to the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: next one. So this is, yeah, this is the formation
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: of the eaching in reference to the Egyptian measurement system,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: and so I just put that there for interest the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Egyptian measurement system. We discussed cubits earlier. But this measurement
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: system is referenced for grain, but interestingly enough, it goes
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: into parts of sixty three sixty fourths and it is
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: also used to measure consciousness and reality. Let's let's go
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: to the next one. Here, I think is the eye
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: of Horace, and here we see parts that represent sixty
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: three sixty fourths too used for measurement of grain, but
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: all so to measure consciousness and smell is one half
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: and you can see it in the eye there. That
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: actually is the hieroglyph for nose, and sight is one
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: fourth and it is the pupil, and that's of course
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: the hieroglyph for eye. Thought is the brow, and of
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: course that is the hieroglyph for thought the brow and
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: hearing represents one sixteenth, and that is the hieroglyph for ear,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: of course, and taste. We have here another spiral. Of
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: course it's not the golden ratio spiral, but it hark
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: beckons to it. This is symbolic for a week sprout.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: And finally we have touch one sixty fourth and this
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: is symbolic for a peg or nail touching. And so
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: the I shared a link in the chat, I'll share
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: it again, and it is a National of Health reference
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: and just to kind of depict how it's used as
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: not only the eye of Horus, but it actually can
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: depict the inside of our brain. Right, So it's a
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: measure of consciousness physically and metaphysically. And it's the contrast
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: of sixty four parts. It's sixty three sixty fourths, if
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: you will, always with the Egyptians, there's the one missing, right,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: this is the imperfection, the missing part, whether it's a
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: capstone or as we as we see here and we
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: can we can go to the next one and again
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: the sixty four hexagrams, and the sixty fourth's all about
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: measurement of consciousness. Here we have a star tetrahedron, two
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: tetrahedrons inter interfaced, and these are what I was saying.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: The minimum number for a solid is the four points. Well,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: there they are two of them coming together. And I
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: share that because another eight times sixty four idea unfolds
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: in the next couple that a researcher Nassim Harriman put together.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting. We can go to the next one
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: that it unfolds in the same mannerism. Eight eight parts
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: shapes come together and create this sacred geometry symbol with
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: sixty four tetrahedrons eight times eight sixty four once again,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: and within that is the tree of life is I mean,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: so many different designs and sacred geometry lessons are within
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: that symbol. And we can go to the next one.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: And here, of course, probably the most esoteric game. I
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: heard someone describe it as the tarot of board games. Rather,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: it's like playing cards to taro, chess is to board games.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: And of course it is eight by eight, and in
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: an esoteric sense, it is the game where the individual
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: over tries to win over the negative attributes the base
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: consciousness and enlightenment, and the authentic self tries to tries
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: to win over and sixty four parts the eight by eight. Also,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: I guess it's worth noting there's the eight pawns. People
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: say that relates to the eight parts of the soul
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: from Egypt. But also interestingly, if you take away the
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: masculine and feminine properties of the king and queen there
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: and then note that there's a positive and negative on
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: each side with the night, rook and castle, there's only
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: four different types of pieces, right, and in chess can
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: be traced back to India where it was originally played
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: with four players of eight pieces. So just interesting. It
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: really represents the internal battle that is individuation and ascension
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: and initiation in the chess game.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: You know, I before I don't gim was saying something
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: about with the eighth sphere maybe, but I always kind
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: of looked at like that was where like sometimes where
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: the hero's journey kind of like really starts on the
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: tree if you want to look at it that way,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: And even with the eight by eight, if you want
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: to look at it like this, that's actually like a
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: perfect example of like what a magical square would look
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: like for the for Mercury, you know, an eight by
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: eight thing like that, and that would again be associated
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: with you know, the magical squares of the planetary squares
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: for Murcury would be in eight by eight grid with
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: numbers that you would create sigils with.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: That may that's super interesting that you're saying that, Nick,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: because in the deity who gives the like the game
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: of chess, who supposedly is but at a secret layer,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: he is the game of chess anyways, that but he
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: gives we'll just say, we'll say the outer way. He
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: gives the game of chess to humanity. He is the
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: Sun of Shiva. Shiva, in a more esoteric way, can
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: be understood as specifically the mind. So the mind from
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: yes Ode, where does the mind from Yesod go? Well,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: obviously goes over to hod Right. So that is exactly
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: where the sun, and that is the archetype for hoad
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: Right is the sun archetype. It's like the unfinished Sun.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: It's like the more. He doesn't really have a he doesn't,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: it doesn't he's not fulfilled in and of himself. He
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: has to go through hesse Gevra differ it to really
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: understand who he is. But at that point, yeah, he
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: that's interesting. And like also I remember this. I took
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: a graphic novel class when I was an undergrad like
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: ten million years ago, and I have a really good
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: I'm good at visual things. So the professor asked, like
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: a question about like the negative space in a graphic novel,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: like what is it used for? Well, you can easily
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: make an argument of the chessboard of like a black
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: and white chessboard that neither the white nor the blacks
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: specifically in and of itself refers to the negative space.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: It's actually all negative space because there isn't anything that
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: is like it is only defined by the eight. The
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: eight is infinite, right, so it just like would be
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: infinitely expanding rather than it's not like the white isn't
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: isn't the base and the black isn't the base, but
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: you could think of both as that. I don't know
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: if that even makes sense, but I just think that
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: there's something with negative space that it's like, how do
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: you define conceptualized, Like maybe to bring it back to
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: Mercury or hod, like, how do you define conceptualize something
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: that doesn't have like a sort of an end point.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's fascinating. It's ended. The symbolism too, you know,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: develops on that in that it can be symbolic for
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: the physical plane or the mental plane, right, and often
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: of course, you know, we mentioned severity and mercy pillars earlier.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: These are kind of, you know, always in place with
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: the symbolism of the pillars as the earthly realm. And
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: interestingly enough, the surrounding outside layer of squares is twenty eight,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: which is again that comes up. There's your lunar month again.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. I always thought that to Hoodie's path was
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: like eight six, four and two. I like the beginning
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: was two and the other one was he that's why
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: I will I think I've mentioned that a few times
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: when I've seen eight and two put together, and I
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: think Trump had that ship in his text to double
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: eats and double two's. Yeah, that's all.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Sorry, we can go to the next one.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: Then, that's really interesting with that board that you brought
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: this up.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Uh, and here is the sixty four started start tetrahedron
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: again and you can you can see the tree of
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: life in there maybe a little bit more clearly. And
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: we don't have to stick on this one too long.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: We can go to the next one.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: I'll just say about the Yon trial, like from this
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: of you is that you could easily like you're saying
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: Ethan like the tree is there. It's just like the
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: the it's even described as splendor is like light emanating
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: from a gem, depending on what jumpstone you use, right,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: like use a star ruby, Well you can use that.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: That's very contract. It's like the light coming through that.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: And then not every sport sorry, not every spark is
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: a nose.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Sorry, no, thank you so much, JN. And not seeing
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Herriman as he was kind of conceptualizing this, he actually
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: uh compressed the tree of life into a three dimensional
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: square with the capstone kind of thing and putting together
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: eight of those and from from there found found this shape.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: So it's really that from the tree of life is
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: this symbol.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that, because the Tree of life
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: only really came into your existence in like maybe the
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: tenth eleventh century as it is that we use it now,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: but it definitely existed in other things before that, right,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: Like it definitely like it's conceptualized differently. I think that's
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: been like my biggest clear pill or like white pill
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: or like whatever, like thinking that, like, oh, actually I
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: wasn't wrong after all, Like it actually exists in a
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: lot of other systems, and they even understand it as
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: a tree, but they might not present it as a tree.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: They might present it as like ten interconnected things, and
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: it's usually ten, but sometimes obviously if you look at
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: the Norse stuff, it can be nine if you can
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: look at the more Egyptian stuff. But I would posit
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: that the Egyptian stuff does kind of touch closer to
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: the ten. But I know that not everyone feels that
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: that it's a satisfactory sort of way to look at it.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: But no, I think that the tree arises in so
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: many different ways and things, and people have put it
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: together in different ways. There's a sufi way to do
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: the tree where it's just it's just ten separate like versus,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: like little poetic verses that describe one of the natures
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: of the suffer, and it corresponds very well. Like if
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: you even just understand like the basic of the basic,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: you could go through that list and be like, okay,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: this makes sense, this makes sense. So it's just it's
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: like about how do you use hode, how do you
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: use that eight to conceptualize what you're seeing or what
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: you know to be real.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good point. I'm glad you you
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: kind of edited with that, because I did have an
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: idea from before and I forgot how like I could
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: even like weave it back in. But like when you
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: mentioned splenda before, even glory goes along with hod. And
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: if you kind of look at the tree, like the
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: colors of the rainbow goes from netsuck into hod so well,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess depending on which way you're going
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: on the tree, but it seems to go from you know,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: seven to eight, and I think, like, if you're going down,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: you know you're getting the colors, you're getting the beauty
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: of nets And I think, once Oh does what it
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: does and gives it a name, gives it a context,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: gives it a story, now you can definitely give glory
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: to it, and now it's definitely splendor because you think
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: it's fucking beautiful at this point, you know, like you
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: could see how that's even connected to taking an image
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: and giving it depth and giving it a story and
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: a name. Yeah.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I want to say one quick thing. Sorry'll we
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: be really quick? No, Nick, that was great first of all.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: Second of all, it ties in with your thing about
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: the two's how like you would see like two and
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: eight often appear together because you could say that hok
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: Ma is where all the dead stories are, where the
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: stories go to die, like ghosts exactly the corpse like
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: the Bardo realm, like where all the flux of the words,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: the old words, they're all there that we don't use,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: and all the things that we've forgotten, the dead gods.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: You could even say, that's what exists there, and so
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: we have to bring it in back. We have to
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: either resuscitate revive the corpse very contric or we create
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: something new. But we can only use the material basis
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: of what has already been in the past. And so
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: that is a lot of like obviously if you are
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: or were in the Oto or any of the sort
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: of like orders more like that, and definitely not the
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: more golden On stuff, but definitely like Oto typhony and
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: maybe even like go left hand Path stuff, you are
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: actually more focused on the recreation, but also the rectification.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: Like Crowley would say, oh, I did the Kabala for
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: the Aon and just like how a lot of like
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: the Typhoni in order uses the Lovecraft mythology, but the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Lovecraft mythology also speaks to the klip us. So did
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: Lovecraft Was he aware of that? I would say he was,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: because you couldn't not be really aware of it. And
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: then just map it out just like a maybe maybe
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: you can, but I think that maybe there's more self
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: awareness there than a lot of people allow. For what
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying is that I think that the story
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: you can either do that thing that Pagans do, like
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: they where they go, oh, I'm gonna reconstruct, I'm going
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: to do a reconstructionist tradition, or you can do something new,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: something more like you know, gnostic or neo gnostic. So
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: I think you I think we actually have more options
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: than what people consider. And I think that's why the
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: two and the eight are really important. It's like, do
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: you want to make something new or do you want
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: to raise a corpse from the underworld?
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: That's interesting, you can go to the next one. Yeah,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: it reminds me of Matricos as you as you spoke
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: on that the positive and negative or rather the kick
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: you in the ass to ascend and protect you nature
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: them if I'm not mistaken.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're okay. So their name in Tibetan
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: is Mamos, which is chaos literally means chaos and so
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: you know, so it's like Airess and like, you know,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: I love my Peter Carroll, so like, yeah, it is
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: it's very similar, but it's also very similar to like
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: the Timot myths. It's like in in like Central Asia,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: they would consider all of these things to be very interrelated.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: It's related to the Barbellos of like gnostissism, like the
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: primordial grandmother. She sort of gives birth to the world.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: But what is left of her? That's really the question
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: that Tantra asks, not what is left of the world,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: what is left of her? Well, she is a husk.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: She doesn't have any living she doesn't have any blood
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: left to give unto the world because she's birthed at all.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: So she's like sunken that's exactly how she's described, or
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: crookback sometimes. So this has a lot of like deep
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: layers to like both Cabala and the Klipa, like if
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: you're thank you sorry, yoh no no no, so I'm apologized.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: I'm going on a lot and I apologize.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: No no, Well, I just wanted to make sure I
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: said this before we moved on another thing with the
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: two and eight before I just I forgot and I
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: wanted to say too after you said a few things.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Even if you want to look at the way the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: taro falls on the tree of life. The second path
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: is associated with the magician, which then would have like
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: the infinity symbol on that card, which is you know,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: an eight, And the Magician would even be associated with
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: to HOODI anyway, in my opinion, so you get like
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: that that whole two and eight kind of reference. Again.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: There, that's a great point. I think that we would
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: have been. I think that was I think it was
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: good that you mentioned it because it would have looked
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: like we didn't know, but obviously we do, or you
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: did at least. No, But I agree with that because
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: that's the way to transfer. That's one of the paths
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: to transform. Like what Ketter actually is right, And there's
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: the idea that only the magician or the fool, which
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: is on the polar opposite path. It's both of those
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: things are the same card sort of, But how do
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: you understand like the when you come back from your suffer, well, like, okay,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: so the first time you fall in, you're the fool,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: yeah right, and then the next time when you have
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: to climb back up, you're the magician.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: See. I feel like like before you actually have the experience,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: like like with my experience, like with the whole thing
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: with the eclipse and whatever happens after that. My idea
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: of all this stuff, I mean I was a complete
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: fool to it, really. I think it was about and
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: then I think after you've had that experience, you come
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: back down, back into your meat suit, and now you're
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: the magician because you know the difference between the two.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: So I think like one kind of goes up the
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: tree and the magician. I mean it could be you know,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: wrong the way I look at it, but the magician
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: I just see makes more sense coming back down.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think there is. I think
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: it's just a matter of perspective. Yeah, yeah, I don't
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: think there's really a wrong way to view the polarities,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: because you're talking about too polarity. So you'll have one
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: up one down. So if you're looking upwards or if
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: you're looking downwards, that's two different perspectives. That's totally fine.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's a problem at all.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: I've always a yeah, it's kind of a looked at
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: it like that in my own experience, for sure. I'll
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: go into the next one.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So just the more some more symbols related to
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: this sixty four sided toutra Adron just interesting.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: I will say about one thing about them, storry to Nick,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: I just want to say one thing quick about the
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: Mantrakas you know, they sort of are the primordial force,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: the breath of God. They can take seven or eight
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: formation and is like Subta mantraca astional Matrica depends on
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: Nepal or India. Different ideas, right like, just like we've
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: been talking about, just like Ethn's been talking about this
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: whole night, Like there are different ideas of the cosmology
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: even within Tonture itself. But what I do think is
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: interesting of them is that the later on, even though
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: they're the oldest kind of entre you could say, is
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: the star goddess stuff that happened in like the forest
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: or the jungle, like away from civilization. Very important idea
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: is that later on, when they start to reconcile this
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: like Matrica very ferocious Tontric worship with more normative ideas
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: of like religion. So it's not just magic anymore, not
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: just like black magic, even maybe you're actually applying some
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: theology to it, is that they actually again increase the number,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: so they would actually to sort of I guess tame
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: it you could say, like what Judas was saying kind
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: of resonated with me, Like it all comes down to
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: the number. So why couldn't you use if you're a magician,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: why couldn't you use an increase of the number to
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: try and resolve the paradox of the old number. I
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: don't know, just something I was just thinking about that
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: for the mantracas.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I got I got the pictures of the
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: mantrakas coming up too, and we can go to the
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: next one. Sounds okay, Just just another another depiction and
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: relationship with the flower of life and the tree. And
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: also the coordination, the same coordination as the sixty four
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: sided tetrahedron. And here are the sixty four hexagrams and
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: they're kind of primal energies worth considering. We don't have
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: to spend too much time on this necessarily, but just
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: another another of the sixty four The eachain is is
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: really worth just reading, if not necessarily for a divination practice.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: But it is the Book of Changes or the Book
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: of transcendent transformation, right, which is the eight and sixty
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: four as we see.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: I like to make a comment, and maybe this I'm
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: looking too much into it, but I saw it more
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: in the previous image that you showed with the itching.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: It's almost like if you're into it, it's like you're
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: looking at code.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, oh totally it is. It is mathematical code,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: and it's actually people have noted that it was or
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: is a really sophisticated binary code system that would be
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: efficient with computerization. Right, it's total binary code, thousands of
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: years before they considered it for mechanical computerization.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know how old you are, but I know
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: there was a point in my young life where they actually,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: I think it's because of the itching, they assumed that
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: out in the East they already had computers and they
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: were computing. Because of how close this looks too coding.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 5: The only thing is missing is two bars to be
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: actually bitcode.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: What if they were.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Sorry anything, They kind of were really, I mean their
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: understanding of time mind through. This is as sophisticated as
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: it gets. It's not too much, it's just enough type
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: of thing. The sixty four question.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: Rather sorry, it came up too many times in my
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: head as like this can't be coincisting up.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: You know, a lot of the Chinese state rituals used
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: to build these kinds of crazy clockwork. I'm sure you've
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: talked about it many times, Ethan, like the clockwork mechanisms,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: there's no reason to not consider Okay, well there they
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: would do these like big they would do these clocks
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: that would be based on different things like incense, weight
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: of marbles or gold or different things that would like
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: mechanisms that would sort of like okay, yeah, from time
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: measurements or different kinds of measurements of the world. And
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: then they would and then they would they would write
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: the character like the both the hexagrams and Chinese characters,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: which obviously have a metaphysical implication, like there's a meaning
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: because they're like they're logographic, right, like they represent an
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: idea very much in and of themselves, but they also
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: represent like different component words and all these little characters
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: that I'm meaning, right, So if you inscribe those on
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: precious metals, just because you do it in a primitive way,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: maybe you aren't getting a kind of resonance. There is
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: a twenty century philosopher called Limnitz, and he he did
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: the same thing, and he was basing his work off
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: like this fourteenth century guy who was doing the same thing,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: like inscribing like kind ofs of like words or like symbols,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: sigils two metal pieces of metal, and then he would
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: like tie crystals to them and like sound and so
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: it's like it's like it is computing, but it's just
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: it's like deconstructed computing. And then what we look at
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: now is like that they've brought it all together.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, it's absolutely divinatory computation.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: I think you're out too something with that stuff. Sometimes,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: i'd one. I I mean, I really don't think it's
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: it's it's the situation, but just sometimes I do wonder, like,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: you know, how advanced were they like with some of
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: this stuff actually code, like with some of the croatia
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: actually computer chips, like I don't know some you know,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: even the ciphers and stuff to some of that stuff
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: when you get into jamatri, is that just code those
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: numbers eventually? Uh, I don't know. But I do find
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: like this divinatory stuff sometimes. I do think, especially this
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: stuff here.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: It's so mathematical and so that it's hard to believe
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: that it's a divination process.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I understand exactly. You get that. Let me
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: move on to the next one.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: One of the things that Terrence McKenna pointed out as
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: far as its relationship. Jin mentioned earlier, how this all
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: unfolds in our very biology. Well, this symbol represents the
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: sixty four codons of proteins that we are can digest
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: and utilize in our very life force sixty one and
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: three to be particular. But here is another sixty four
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: that is our very biology worth worth pointing out. We
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: can we can go on to the next one. And
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: I touched upon this before, how the sixty three sixty
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: fourths uh have have this this symbolism to them and
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: also the exoteric process of grain measurement being there kind
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: of relationship before we can move on from this one.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: And here's an example of a base four system that
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: Jin might be much more intimately familiar with the formanas
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, but I I feel like we've
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: kind of adopted variations of this in the West as well.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: But we have four aspects of mind. Again, Jin Jin,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: are you are you more stupid?
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Us?
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: Like, I'm familiar with it, but it's not the system
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: that I would use. I would use this Sconda system.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: But this is a perfectly fine way to describe it.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: But I just want to point out that the graphic,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: like you can think of Kaala just like this graphic
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: two polarities, one up, one down. You have a diamond
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: thunder the Partez layer, which is of my turquoise. Right
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: then you have a yellow layer, a gray layer, and
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: an orange layer. There's no reason you can even consider
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: this to be the suffer of hode right now. I'm
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: just saying, if you're going to cross duction in it,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: you could say that it wouldn't be wrong.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: Even and as well, so it's very castic.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: There's the fourskndas you mentioned this Conda's there's four of those.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: Right, there are six, but the six one is only
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: when you clear the other five. So you have to
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: deal with the the sort of they can be related
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: to the elements, like you can say, like the the
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: five s condas at least are the five cents perceptions
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: or the five cents aggregates, so it's like what we
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: it's all are of our own bullshit. So that is
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: what is considered the limiting factor in like just how
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: we understand or perceive the universe to be. But then
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: there's also like the aggregates that also exist outside of us.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: What are the social limitations that have been placed on
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: this idea? And then that also gets related in an
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: al chemical way, so you relate each one not only
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: to a sense organ like eyes touch all that, but
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: you can also relate it to elemental so like fire, earth, air, water,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: and obviously can be mined or can be space, but
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: that's both things, especially for like Dharmic religions. So those
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: would be the five, those would be the primary five
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: skandas that there are different ways that people deal with it.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: Some people treat it very like magically, like sorceressly where
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: they imagine the elements and they purify the elements in
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: like a ritual thing. And or some people think of
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: it just like this, like more of this model, and
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: they kind of reconcile it by thinking it through analogically.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: So it depends, it depends on your system. But what
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: I do think is interesting is like in the Skanda system,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: because we reconcile it with like mostly magically and with elements,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: that relates so much more to Western magic, right, because
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: then you're you're like partaking in the five the things
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: that you have, the things that of the magician is
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: capable of controlling his spheres of influence, like you know,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: like different people have different elemental affinities. I'm not a
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: like astral astrologer in any way, and I'm not a
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: person who heavily like I don't put a lot of
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: faith in astrology at all. But I acknowledge that it's
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: the macrocosm, whatever that is, and that it does affect
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: things on the microcosm. But how do we understand that?
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: So that is interesting to me because then we start
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: to relate it to the planets, the planetary correspondences, as
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: you were saying, Ethan, because correspondences. A lot of people
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: don't like corresponses, but there's a you know, like seven
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: to seven zeven for me is like he packs it
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: in too tight. I don't think it should be like
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: so dense. I think it should be like there should
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: be natural correspondences that you make that are easy, and
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: those are the ones that are primary, and then the
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: ones that like the system puts on, like whatever magical
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: or theological system you're using, you have to discern whether
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: those fit or not, because then I think when you
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: overburden it, you people get very lost in the sort
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: of conceptual soup. You know, is it this bird? Am
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: I going to use this specific feather? What if I
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: don't have that? We like, what if you don't have
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: this like exact plant like one? You know, like sometimes
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: they'll do that lot of Western stuff will be like
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: you must use this exact thing on this exact kind
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: of astrological correspondence. I'm not saying that you shouldn't do
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: it in a way, but I think getting locked in
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: and lost in that, I think that's a big mistake.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to point out for those that
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: are listening that maybe can't read it, that it's that
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: this fourfold system here depicts the emotive base and the
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: ego and the intellectual and the intelligence. So again, just
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: a fourfold way to perceive consciousness. That's interesting. And I
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: think next is a picture of the It's interesting that
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: there's sometimes seven and eight matricas and they give birth
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: to eight thought forms or lessons of initiation and ascension
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: each But Jen knows better than I do, But it's
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: just another set of eight by a referencing consciousness and comprehension.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very they they're non dual. That's really how
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: Buddhism would describe them. They they're beyond good and evil.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: They don't really like the rights that are were used,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: especially in like medieval and early like early like third
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: fourth century, very ferocious people would not be comfortable with
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: like the things they did now. But then it becomes reconciled,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: like I said, if you give them a consort, which
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: is how Buddhism would describe the reconciliation of all paradox
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: is found in the consort. Well, for the matrakas if
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: you're more of a goddess system person, the concerts obviously
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: can be male, but then there's an additional one. There's
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: the person praying to them or doing the whatever the practices.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: So that's the ten right there. So then you also
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: by giving them the husband though you're you're you're bringing
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: them into you're not dominating them, but you're kind of
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: allowing them to. Yeah, you're giving them stricture and boundaries.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: You're kind of bringing them from time or not excuse me,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: from space like chaos as I said, their names mean chaos.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: You're bringing them from space empty space into time. So
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: you're giving them a definitive boundary. Obviously, if you give
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: them Shiva the like father God as a consort, he
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: is Time, like he literally is Mahakala like he is
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: the father Time. So you kind of are taming them.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: I guess that was the word I was looking for.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: So they become less transgressive over time, so you could
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: say that now they're more benevolent, and maybe the Discordians
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: were right and like they're sort of praise of Eras
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: in a way, in a way, I'm not just saying expectively,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I think that might be right. Is that, like,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: because they they're not malevolent so much, we kind of
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: all know that the world has like an unstabled, chaotic nature,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: and so we don't necessarily put our preconceptions onto them.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: We don't say, oh, it's evil something, you know, institution
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: falls down, Oh it's evil, not necessarily. So I think
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: that's obviously I'm using more a mind layer, but that's
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: how I understand the mantras. But I think you do
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: a great job, Ethan, Like I don't think I know
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: more than anyone. I really don't. I'm just very niche.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: Sure. No, I mean I know that you know the
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: broad generality of it, but you know it more in depth,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: and thank you for sharing that. We can go to
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  Speaker 2: the next one. Okay, so two of the numbers in
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: this equation. Although we've touched on many different numbers, the
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: main ones are forty and sixty four. And here we
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: are back at a depiction of the golden ratio, and
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: the golden rectangle is in there too, and everyone I'm
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: sure is familiar with this, and we can we can
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: go to the next one. One of the more common
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: pictions of the golden ratio in nature is the sunflower
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: U seed spores, how they're arranged to release and hold
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: pack the most amount of seeds in this spiraling m
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: H concept spiraling shape. Many things in nature do reflect
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: the golden ratio near exactly, many things closely. Humans, as
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: it turns out, have probably the most depictions of the
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: golden ratio of any being. Really unking, you know, I
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: had to find where the golden ratio was in the eye,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: and we can go to the next one. The way
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: that the cones and rods are packed into the eye
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: is in the same format as the sunflower. They're hexagonal.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: That's not where the golden ratio is, but it's in
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: the same kind of spiraling packing. To get the most
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: reception to light as possible, so the golden ratio is
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: even in the rods and cones of the eye. We
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: can go to the next one. And here's just another
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: another depiction of the golden ratio, now connecting to the
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: highly celebrated in among Greeks and Chinese, the pentagram, and
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: and within their angles of one oh eight and seventy
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: two as well. If I'm not mistaken, we can we
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: can go to the next one. And here is the
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: Fibonacci sequence. How it breaks down in numerology, and it's
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: eventually the Fibonacci sequence aligns with the golden ratio of
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: one point six one eight. We can go to the
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: next one. This is the Fibonacci wheel. And this is
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: a wheel of sixty numbers. And this was found I
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: French mathematician. I believe Joseph Louis Lagrange might have been
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: French Italian. But it's a series of sixty numbers that
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: the Fibonacci sequence repeats. If you break Bick down to
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: the smallest ditchers of the Fibonacci sequence, you get this
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: Fibonacci wheel of numbers. Each fifth number is a five,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: and there are four corners where there's a zero, and
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: so that discovery was made hundreds of years ago. Another
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: pattern that wheel is a twenty four cycle repetition. It
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: was dis covered by Jane one O eight. Uh that
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: every twenty four of these numbers equals one oh eight,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: and then there's a nine, and then there's one oh
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: eight again he deciphered. So within the Fibonacci wheel and
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: that depicts the spiral, we can find one O eight.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: I'll just say, oh, sorry, neck, please please, I just
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: want to say really quick, while Ethan's like reconnecting, is
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: that the six is really important in Tontra, the six
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: and the and the sixteen also because it's always the
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: deity and his consort, right, So the six, seven to thirteen,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: you can say that the sun figure also who gives
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: the chest to humanity, he's given the sixth position. So
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: you could even say there's like a natural the sun
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: like the hero from start at Hode to finish, which
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: is at tiffer It. You could say that, like Tiffer
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: it's the natural inclination for that sun figure. And I'm
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: talking s Lan, not just sn but of course there's
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: say that's sort of the same thing to you.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: What's that? Then you're back? Nice?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: Sorry I could out there. I was this. I was
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: just saying, yeah that even in the Fibonacci sequence one
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: O eight isn't explicitly there, but kind of subtly covertly,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: they're pretty pretty fascinating. So and it also I think
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: the sixty is interesting too because it's the Sumerian system
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: of twelves and sixty right, and might might have some significance.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: And just to kind of point out the mathematics of
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: one O eight being in the pentagram, is there the
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: thirty six, seventy two and one and that middle triangle
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: is known as the golden triangle? Of course, mhm. We
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: can go we can go to the next one another example,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: seize the redundancy of the of the golden triangle in there,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: and yeah that these are these just to get to
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: point that out more efficiently, we can go to the
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: next one. And here is the gold the spiral with
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: the numbers, and here is an example of it unfolding
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: in nature by way of branches. We can we can
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: we can see it in in that as well. And
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: again it's not in every aspect of nature, but it's
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: in so many the human skull is also right there
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: depending of course it varies, but right there at the
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: one point six one eight ratio, and and of course
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: our arms and fingers and wrists and so on, so
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: many different ways to find it. We can go to
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: the next one, and it's even in space if you will. Saturn.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: Now again I don't I don't know if that's one
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: hundred percent accurate, but I thought this picture was worth sharing. Anyway,
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: we see that with the golden rectangle there.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: I actually really liked this picture for Soturn because like
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: in more of the Chinese astrology, Saturn is actually associated
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: with this golden color, the dry earth of the yellow
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: of the Yellow River, like when the you can actually
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: look this up like pictures of like when the northern
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: plains of China, like north of Beijing, before they're flooded,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: the earth is cracked and dry always. This is like
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: the way it's even understood in literary terms, and it's
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: always yellow. And then when the waters pour over of
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 3: the Yellow River they take on this yellow hue. So
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: that's kind of the if you want us to assign
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 3: it like an astrological time, you would say that Saturn
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: represents the time. It's not that this field is necessarily
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: follow it's that it's desiccated and dead, and what it
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: really requires is the waters to bring it back to
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: life like that is very much a Saturnian kind of
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: bana process.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: Beautiful. We can go to the next one, and here's
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: the scare up again, and which is known to be
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: the golden ratio or golden rectangle or five there it
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: is in the celebrated Egyptian Little Guy. So the numbers
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: we're dealing with in this mathematical metaphor this inspiration to
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: initiation of self by self is the sixty four divided
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: by one point six and that equals forty. So the
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: sixty four matrica yoginis, the sixty four hexagrams divided by
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: sacred space and place, which is the one point six
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: equals dedication to initiation. And we can go to the
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: next one round and up here I think there's only
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: a couple more some other examples of where golden ratio unfolds,
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: and again obviously in the pyramid, in the Parthenon, and
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: in different Roman and Greek structures as well. And and
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: here's the final little way to conceptualize it. The sixty
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: four is divine measure of time and mind divided by
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: or applied to one point six for the shortened of
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: one point six one eight, which is the sacred measure
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: of space and place. The sacred geometry, so to speak,
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: equals forty inspiration for initiation. So it's it's amazing how
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: these deep numbers come together in this mathematical metaphor thank you,
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: thank you, sure, thank you listening to that?
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: What started that whole like rabbit hole for you?
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I've been looking at the sixty four words because
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: of the eight.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 4: Bill. We're losing you there, Ethan.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's getting really bad again.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, oh you're done. Am I back?
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: Hey, Yes, you're back now.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: So I I either and thereby obsessed with the four
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: pair or or two for eight being four pair. So
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: I became obsessed with eight, which also just shows up
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: in so many different cultures in kind of the same
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: ideal and the eight dimensions articles on Occult Research Institute too.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: And I've long been looking at the sixty four but
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: didn't really find a way to explore it in great
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: depth because the eaching is just a profundity on its own,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: and and all all of these are such deep, deep
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: lessons and things to explore. But uh, I just kind
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: of the found found the synthesis of them all and
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: with the fourth and eight initiation. Had been looking at
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: the forty for a long time too, and when I
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: saw that it came together, it just struck me as
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: being really significant and and kind of depicting the ideas
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: that I think I thought were objective but also kind of,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: you know, thought might be subjective too, in part as
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: as we all kind of impart our own view on things.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: But it just seemed like the mathematical equation pointed to
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: a more objective kind of you know, aspect of this.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some just weird stuff that I feel like
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: you made ties with, you know, like the way you
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: went with it. I'm like, yes, is some something up
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: with the numbers?
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: Right, all magic is in the numbers. Like Judas said,
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 3: this is just the truth. It's just like the everybody
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 3: agrees on this, like you can be right, Like I'm
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: looking at Judas hair. That's why it reminds me of
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: Rastafarian maybe. But they believe like they do, like they
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: they have. They call it the science of numbers, like
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: all all it doesn't matter a restaurant or anything. It's
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: like any any serious wisdom science, they're gonna it comes
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: down to the numbers. So I think that that's like
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: the most profound thing. And I think that's also like
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: about Cabala, Like, yeah, you can describe it using conceptual
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: things like I do, like colors and planets and alchemical terms,
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: but really it's about the numbers. That's even like the
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 3: nick Land thing, like the neumogram, Like I don't agree
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 3: with that tree. That's just obviously a tree that he's
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 3: renumbered himself and pathworkings on, but you know he preferences
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: the nine. I just think that it's more interesting when
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 3: we go into the tent.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: See. Uh, Judith Jen, was there anything else that you
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: wanted to add or ask or anything?
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 4: Well, I do have this.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 5: This was in the beginning, and I don't know if
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 5: this is still relevant, but I wanted to ask Ethan. Okay,
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 5: A lot of people do shy away from Jamatria and
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 5: the numbers and everything else. Uh, they're very intimidating to
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 5: most even though they're everywhere from what especially with the
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 5: evidence you showed us. Now, do you think like a
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 5: movie like Pie didn't help that situation? I don't know
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 5: if you're familiar with that movie?
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: What about Sorry? Are you cracked up a little bit
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: at the end? What about Pie?
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 5: Do you think that helped people try to shy away
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 5: from it or help.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 4: Bring some light to it?
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Good question. Well there's also wasn't there that Jim
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: Carrey movie of twenty three?
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 4: I believe that one I'm not familiar with.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: That's it's an excellent one. It's interesting, but he is
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: portrayed as a very much on the precipice of lucidity,
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: and he is very obsessed with believe it's twenty three.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: I forget now exactly what it is, but I feel
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: like there's two different directions that those movies could influence.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: Both of those in effect, one to get people interested
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: in the correspondence, and to to have people belittle it
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: as as fantasy and and and a neat fictional story
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: but not relevant in real you know, materially, I think
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: I think it could go both ways.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 5: I think you're right about the number twenty is that
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 5: SMS are you are you referring to the movie or
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 5: just the number? I think that's the movie. The number
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 5: twenty three is what you were talking about. As for Pie,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 5: because I never saw twenty three Pie. I think did
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 5: show references as well.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: Right, No, I remember I vaguely remember the movie Pie.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: It's kind of older, right, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: remember when I came out, but.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: Fascinated with the ideas, I took a peek.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 5: It intrigued me, but it was a lot of work
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 5: that there was not enough how can I say, documentation
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 5: and research done in it. Now we could find more
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 5: of that research. Well, then again, we didn't have the
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 5: Internet back then too, So.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: Well, Heath, and thank you man, and thank you for
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: all the sludges too, definitely, thank you.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you allow me to put this together. You did
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: the slides, so thank.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: You problem and jin thanks for making it. Man, that's
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: awesome that you jumped on.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: No, I just I really, I know I spoke a lot.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: I apologize. It's so interesting as generative to me, and like,
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: I just like I like being in dialogue with all
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: of you, I guess, and I like talking about magic.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 3: It's my favorite thing too. Like that's like, honestly, if
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: I don't need to do that as a living, but
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying I really enjoy it at any rate.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: So I really appreciate that. Uh you know, Nick will
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: host me and then obviously Ethan and Judith like it's
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: always like great fun for me, so definitely worth my time.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: I want to support Ethan well, like his endeavors on
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 3: the show, and also you know, just in general, so
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: because like I like the crew, so that's what you do.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: And uh yeah, likewise, thank you so much, Jen, appreciate
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: it you I mentally.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Jin. Let everybody know where where they can
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: find all you stuff and the Gray Lodge and all
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: that awesome.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: Thank you. So people want to find me, the best
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: way is to probably go to YouTube. I know, I
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 3: can't believe I'm saying that. That's so crazy. YouTube dot
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: com slash at Threshold Saints. You can find both Threshold
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 3: Saints and the Gray Lodge both on that like under
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: that channel. Obviously it's non monetized. I'm never going to
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: monetize it. It's a chaos magic show, that is what
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: it is. And but we have been having a lot
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: of fun on book club and we are doing our
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: part two of our Sourceress and Sinister Traditions of Southeast Asia,
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 3: which will be called WISA, which is about Burmese magic.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: So well, that will be next week and then I
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: don't know what we're book we're going to be reading yet.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 3: That's up for consultation, so that will be in two
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: weeks we'll have But we just finished Apafennion tonight, so
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: if people want to check that out. It's a Peter J.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 3: Carroll book rip that he wrote in like twenty I
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: think twenty eleven or twenty fourteen. I can't remember one
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: of those dates. So, like Sonri and I discussed this
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 3: a little little bit when we were on Divulgencepod is
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: a big group and so this is kind of a
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: radical departure from Pete's work in general. So if people
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: are interested in like a kind of like it was
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: like at times, like hard to do this book because
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: it is a little crazy. Like the name Apafennion refers
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: to like schizo effective disorder sometimes, so maybe that's why
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: it like invokes like such chaotic energy. But it was
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: a really interesting I think we dealt with it really
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: well and people said they really liked it, So yeah,
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 3: check that out. And Threshold Saints dot subsect dot com
• 2:11:54
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• 2:11:57
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• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: you really want to follow my man account. Thanks guys,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, thank you, and Judith, everybody, I know
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: what's up with you.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 5: First, Ethan, thank you so much. Actually, I hope we
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 5: gave you some more rabbit holes to go down, and
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 5: you've actually made us made me realize I should speak
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 5: for myself, made me realize how important it is to
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 5: actually understand Jamatra and understand the numbers and see them
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 5: everywhere if you want to balance it out between the
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 5: spiritual and the science. Nick, thank you for having me
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 5: and Jin It's always a pleasure to be on the
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 5: show with you and everyone else. You can find me
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 5: at speaker X and YouTube as a loon, and you
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 5: can catch me every Sunday on my weekly brunch.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. And Ethan again, thank you, thank
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: you so much. Let everybody know where they can find
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: yourself and where they can find you just leave.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Check out my books on Amazon, The Taoith and
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: The Fourth Initiation for ideas. We're referenced frequently tonight, and
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: I just really appreciate being able to share this because
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's some valuable inspiration for our own
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: individuation and in initiation if you will, and more articles
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: to come check them out on to call Research Institute
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: dot org and elsewhere. I have, of course all my
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: social media if anyone wants to reach out. I always
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: appreciate communication. And again you guys rock, thank you for everything.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: Thank you, No, I appreciate you coming on my man,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: and thank everybody else again. Jin, that's what's up. I
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: know you already did your show, so coming on here.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Judith, thank you very much, and
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: everybody in the chat. That's what's up. That's where we
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: go live and until the next one, everybody be well
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: later
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 5: M hm.