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Patriots Unfiltered 1/21: Offseason Wishlist, Coaching Updates, Divisional Round Recaps · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: I watched the whole lot of State game less. I'm
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  Speaker 3: telling the guys like I haven't watched the full college
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  Speaker 3: football game in a long time, like a lot of.
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  Speaker 4: I've always all growns up. He watched a college kids.
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  Speaker 4: That's stataboo kid. I loved watching plays right, Not because
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  Speaker 4: I think he's gonna do anything in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: So why don't you like it?
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  Speaker 4: Because he's he's kind of a.
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  Speaker 2: Dick Balden like that, because he'd be the guy yelling
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  Speaker 2: at Paul. Come on first of all.
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  Speaker 4: To suggest that I was a lineman. I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: pretend I didn't hear that.
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  Speaker 2: Now, a cruller that may not be a don't. I
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  Speaker 2: like a color donut.
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  Speaker 4: Has to be round, just a different shape, right, I mean, like.
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  Speaker 3: I say, round clers, like a French crawler.
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  Speaker 2: Right, like the French and it has Yeah, those are
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  Speaker 2: don't French. But I'm talking about the stick, the glazed stick.
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  Speaker 2: Those are sticks.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Nason is Arth and Aaron, who are you to Sharoncord
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  Speaker 6: to their core that towns By yesterday, like I don't
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  Speaker 6: care like going some real pizza.
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  Speaker 3: I like ice cream and college football, and he just
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  Speaker 3: won't leave me alone.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 2: at Jilette Stadium, and you had a lot to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: We got reports coming out about coaches leaving, coaches perhaps
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  Speaker 2: coming in, support staff coming in. We have four divisional
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  Speaker 2: games that we have to wrap up. We have a
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  Speaker 2: national championship game we can kind of talk a little
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  Speaker 2: bit about. Although I turned it off at halftimes, I.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't see an.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I watched the first three drives and then I think,
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  Speaker 3: I think I know how it is about to.
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  Speaker 2: Go exactly this one team has a chance and the
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  Speaker 2: other dozen. But we'll get into all of that, and
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  Speaker 2: guys have a good weekend? Great great week football? Filled?
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  Speaker 2: Loved it? Yeah, yeah, Evan Paul deuced myself.
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  Speaker 4: Matt Nabooth, I enjoyed the divisional round. Yeah, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: thought there was some good intensity. I thought they had
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  Speaker 4: a championship like field.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good to see some teams just trading blows,
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  Speaker 3: going back and forth, some mistakes, and obviously some controversies.
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  Speaker 3: But I just think it's the best football weekend of
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  Speaker 3: the of the of the year.
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  Speaker 2: For me, it was the worst of all possible outcomes.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I know that you have your your hang ups,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't think you're wrong. I think you're probably
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  Speaker 4: like most Patriots fans, right, you just have all your
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  Speaker 4: bad worlds of collected.
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  Speaker 2: Those teams who I most want to lose the most
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  Speaker 2: one the Chiefs in the Bills and then the detroit
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  Speaker 2: who I thought was my best chance of beating either
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  Speaker 2: of them. If they get to the Super Bowl, they're out.
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  Speaker 2: So it looks like to me, the whoever emerges out
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  Speaker 2: of the AFC is going to be favored right in
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  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, I mean over the Eagles or Commanders.
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  Speaker 4: I would think, certainly Buffalo, but I would think Kansas
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  Speaker 4: City too.
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  Speaker 3: But let's see how healthy horse is, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true, he's kind of dramatized.
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  Speaker 3: He's kind of an X factor for me. I don't
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  Speaker 3: trust him yet. I don't trust him, like I know
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  Speaker 3: he's very good, but.
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  Speaker 4: I just he he has not approached what he did
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  Speaker 4: two years ago in that Super Bowl season as a
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  Speaker 4: as a passer. Since this is two full years now,
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  Speaker 4: he just hasn't looked the same.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know.
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  Speaker 4: I probably lead off with some of the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's start. Let's talk about some Patriots stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Did we last week? Did we talk about the And again,
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  Speaker 2: these are all reports. Nothing has been made official by
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  Speaker 2: the team. There hasn't been any press releases or announcements
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  Speaker 2: or anything to confirm any of these reports. But I
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  Speaker 2: think most of these aren't pretty good. You know, uh,
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  Speaker 2: standing the people who left last week? Did we talk
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  Speaker 2: about that? Like, uh uh, Tyler Hughes, Scott Peters. Scott Peters,
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  Speaker 2: he's going. He's already been hired by his team, right,
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  Speaker 2: so we kind of know he's gone.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know any of this last week, So I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if we talk.
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  Speaker 2: So who's got the rundown? Because I certainly will screw
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  Speaker 2: it up if I go.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of the offensive coaches have have moved
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  Speaker 6: on already or are moving on at this point. I
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  Speaker 6: don't think there's any defensive guys yet that have reportedly
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  Speaker 6: been moved on. But the really the only two guys
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  Speaker 6: in the offense side of the ball that we know
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  Speaker 6: are still in limbo or Van Pell and TC McCartney.
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  Speaker 6: The rest of the position coaches mcnell Sorryduce, Scott Peters,
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  Speaker 6: Tyler Hughes, those guys are Taylor Embrey are reporting.
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  Speaker 4: The assistant offensive line coach Mike Mike.
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  Speaker 6: McCarthy, Yeah, he's Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 4: We had two assistant offensive line coaches. Deuce your your
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  Speaker 4: quizical look is just warranted. I had to double check
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  Speaker 4: it because I saw that Peters and McCarthy I think
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  Speaker 4: went to Cincinnati, correct, they both went together, and it
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  Speaker 4: said assistant line coach Mike mccarth and was like, I
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  Speaker 4: got that, cool little guy. So I checked the media guide.
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  Speaker 4: We had two assistant offensive line coaches last year.
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  Speaker 3: It's also well Coogler I mentioned I think he's quote
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  Speaker 3: coaching down at the shrine ball is that correct? And
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  Speaker 3: then also the outside linebackers coach Drew Wilkins will be
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  Speaker 3: the defensive coordinator down there. So those guys are a
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  Speaker 3: little bit in limbo though, so I don't think we're
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  Speaker 3: sure if they're sticking around or not.
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  Speaker 2: So So one of the questions I had all season
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  Speaker 2: was is Scott Peters a good offensive line coach? I
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  Speaker 2: don't know? Is he just a victim of the talent?
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  Speaker 2: Is could he have made the talent that they had better?
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  Speaker 2: I just didn't have an answer to that. I still
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  Speaker 2: don't because he's gone, but he immediately got another job. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so like and in the division that he came from
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  Speaker 2: when he was here, So somebody's thinking, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He's the Callahan connection. I think, yeah, helped him there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but sure, yeah, I think you're definitely still worth wondering about.
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  Speaker 2: But here's what I'll say the Patriots. We did get
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  Speaker 2: word that the Patriots are retaining Jeremy Springer as a
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  Speaker 2: special teams coordinator, So it's not like they're not telling
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  Speaker 2: anybody anything. They did decide at least one coach we're
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  Speaker 2: going to keep, and I guess if Peters was that good,
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  Speaker 2: they would have done the same. I don't know, but
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  Speaker 2: maybe they're letting on offensive coordinator when they finally hire.
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  Speaker 2: When make those decisions.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's probably right there. And I think Mike
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  Speaker 4: Reese early in the weekend or maybe even Friday, had
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  Speaker 4: a tweet that listed all of these offensive coaches were
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  Speaker 4: not going to be back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: The only one I didn't mention that also is in
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  Speaker 6: coming back is Taekwon Underwood, the assistant wide writers coach.
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  Speaker 6: But the rest of them are all the ones that.
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  Speaker 2: We mentioned about Troy Brown. Now I know he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: Beckley an offensive coach. We haven't heard anything about him. No,
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  Speaker 2: we don't know.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, when it comes to offensive line coach, I
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  Speaker 6: definitely think you're tied to the coordinator because you know,
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  Speaker 6: the way you want to run the ball, the way
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  Speaker 6: you want to pass protect, all that ties together with
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  Speaker 6: the design of the So the best pairings, I would say,
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  Speaker 6: are our coordinator in offensive line coach, like working in
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  Speaker 6: tandem to get everything blocked up properly the way they
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  Speaker 6: want to run.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it makes sense get the coordinators and then
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  Speaker 2: they'll fill out the rest of the staff. There was
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  Speaker 2: some news this morning that Rabel asked permission to Miami
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  Speaker 2: to interview their linebackers coach for our defensive coordinator. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and we know anything about this guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, gill them for a while and linebackers coach, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's one of the names we brought up in the
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  Speaker 3: right up that we did for potential guys that they
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  Speaker 3: might bring in for defensive coordinators. So he's got a
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  Speaker 3: number of guys around the league that were linebackers coach
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  Speaker 3: for him or guys that have been with him for
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  Speaker 3: a while, you know. I know, shoot, I'm blanking on
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  Speaker 3: the Giants guy that was with him in Tennessee, Shane Bowen,
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  Speaker 3: you know, followed a similar trajectory, was with Rabel for
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  Speaker 3: a while, you know, and eventually send it to it
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  Speaker 3: to defensive coordinator. I think he spent twenty twenty wasn't
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  Speaker 3: officially under title, but then twenty one twenty two was
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  Speaker 3: with him. So it's SEMs like, you know, he's got
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  Speaker 3: a methodology of working with guys and developing them into coordinators.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that the Miami guy would would fit
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  Speaker 3: that would fit that mold as well.
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  Speaker 2: So how many people do we know that they've interviewed
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  Speaker 2: for DC so far?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that they's the first one. That's the
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  Speaker 4: first one we've heard they requested that in Terrell Williams
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  Speaker 4: from Detroit. It's another one who is a defensive line
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  Speaker 4: coach slash run game coordinator, which is kind of odd
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  Speaker 4: on the defense. Defensive the defensive run game.
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  Speaker 6: They do that now more to kind of give guys promotions.
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  Speaker 4: But those are the two guys that I knew that
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  Speaker 4: they requested. Well, not no, because you're right, none of
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  Speaker 4: this is official, but according to various reports, an offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 4: There were also two guys.
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  Speaker 3: That's Brady. They've said they have interviewed kind of Friday
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  Speaker 3: news dump there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Marcus Brady was one, and he was in Sandy
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  Speaker 4: the Chargers last San Diego, the lack spent some time
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  Speaker 4: in Indianapolis. And who's the one? Why can I not
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  Speaker 4: think of the other one?
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  Speaker 6: Marcus Brady and Thomas Brown?
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  Speaker 4: Thomas Brown, Yeah, the Thomas Brown affair.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, we should mention that the Bears immediately
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  Speaker 2: hired Ben Johnson as soon as the Lions are out,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, of course, but the Patriots are the
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  Speaker 2: only ones that mocked the Rooney rule.
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  Speaker 4: But any I would say that the Bears mocked the
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  Speaker 4: Rooney rule with the they all do with the Eddie
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  Speaker 4: George interview, right, that's mocking it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they all do. It's it's just better.
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  Speaker 4: Call it what it is. It's a thing.
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  Speaker 2: They mocked it, it is, but we're the ones that
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  Speaker 2: get tagged with it because and nobody everybody hates the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody was pretty critical that Eddie George interview, and I
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  Speaker 4: think they should be. I think it's not in the
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  Speaker 4: spirit of the rule.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So Ben Johnson over to the Bears makes sense,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, I wonder how the Lions feel about that,
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  Speaker 2: going in their divisions.
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  Speaker 4: Looking like Aaron Glenn to the Jets. Yeah, although that's artificial,
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  Speaker 4: but they're saying they're meeting with him again today and
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  Speaker 4: he has sort of his hand pick GM.
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  Speaker 2: Did you hear the story Did you hear on the
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  Speaker 2: story that Aaron Glenn had about Parcels when Glenn was
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  Speaker 2: with the Jets. No real interesting stories. So you know
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  Speaker 2: Glenn obviously he played with the Jets and there were
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  Speaker 2: these rumors that the Jets were thinking about trading them.
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  Speaker 2: So Aaron Glenn said, you know, being who I am,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk to somebody. I'm not gonna let just
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  Speaker 2: let it go. So he walks into Parcels office and
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  Speaker 2: he goes. You know, what's all this talk about me
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  Speaker 2: being traded. I've heard it from everybody, but not from you.
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  Speaker 2: So Parcels says, come in, close the door, sit out.
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  Speaker 2: Parcells says, listen to me. Everybody has a price. My
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  Speaker 2: wife has a price, and if the price is good enough,
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  Speaker 2: she's gone. That goes for everybody. And he said he
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  Speaker 2: understood and appreciated the candor. It's just a business. It
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  Speaker 2: goes for anybody. And he said, my relationship ship with
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  Speaker 2: him never changed, but I understood where he's coming from.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a hallmark of a good coach,
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  Speaker 3: you know. I mean I think Bill got a lot
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  Speaker 3: of that credit to where he's just going to tell
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  Speaker 3: you the truth. I think that's what a lot of
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  Speaker 3: players want to know, good or bad. Just be honest
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  Speaker 3: with me and be up front. So yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Vabel kind of has that vibe too, where he's just
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  Speaker 3: going to tell you how it is, Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: everyone knows how this business works. Now, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: tough decisions to be made. Yeah, but that's a tough
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  Speaker 3: line about your wife.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't I would know.
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  Speaker 2: But he's also the one, you know, wifeels you know,
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of the season, he was I'll tell my wife,
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  Speaker 2: I'll see you in January, hopefully February.
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  Speaker 4: He's a tough, tough guy.
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  Speaker 2: You know what you're signing up for carda because my wife,
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  Speaker 2: he's the one that said my wife doesn't know if
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  Speaker 2: it's puffed or stuff. So oh yeah, yeah, well that.
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  Speaker 4: My wife, Judy Parsons.
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  Speaker 6: Yea.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, so that's kind of the where we are. Where
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  Speaker 2: we're at.
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  Speaker 4: Do we leave anything out? I feel like there is.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. It's been reported that Vrabel is bringing back his
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  Speaker 2: assistant from the Titans who's now with the Rams, John
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  Speaker 2: Stryker Stretch Stretch and from the report, this guy's in
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  Speaker 2: a combination of Ernie Adams from a strategic type of
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  Speaker 2: standpoint and bears Nigerian from a support standpoint. So he's
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  Speaker 2: going to be the guy who, you know, really kind
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  Speaker 2: of is the chief of staff for Vrabel as well
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  Speaker 2: as supposedly the guy who's going to be in his
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  Speaker 2: ear about take the time out, you know all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: He works from the sideline.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So he's the Rams game management Coordinator, which is becoming
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  Speaker 6: a lot more popular that teams have somebody with that
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  Speaker 6: title on staff calling. It's becoming a lot a lot
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  Speaker 6: more popular, especially for guys like McVeigh who call plays
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  Speaker 6: that might be their mind might be elsewhere in terms
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  Speaker 6: of calling the plays. So they have a guy that's like, hey, Sean,
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  Speaker 6: we got to call it.
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  Speaker 2: So Paul, you you you shouldn't be that person, but
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  Speaker 2: you should start a training school for those people.
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  Speaker 4: Why shouldn't I be that person?
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  Speaker 2: Because you can make more money teaching them to do it.
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  Speaker 2: So you think I could? Oh yeah, everybody pays you
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  Speaker 2: as much of a call for someone that. Think about
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  Speaker 2: all these throwing camps for quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 6: And all this Stuffgible Benefit Academy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you be the Tom House of training in
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  Speaker 2: game decisions.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really think there's much of a call for that,
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  Speaker 4: Oh I do. I don't think people grow up thinking,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I really want to be in life.
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  Speaker 4: I want to be a time a game management coordinator.
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  Speaker 4: That's I want to.
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  Speaker 2: But think about all the coaches that screw up. I know.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people grow up wanting to be coaches.
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  Speaker 4: They don't want to be the guy who tells the
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  Speaker 4: coach thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's called the cottage industry. It's called adapting to times,
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  Speaker 2: and you take advantage of what's going on. You flatter we.
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  Speaker 3: We could put Paul on the board right now. Out
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  Speaker 3: from the four games from this weekend, I think he
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  Speaker 3: could run down every single.
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  Speaker 4: You guys aren't going to believe this. I didn't have
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  Speaker 4: any real egregious problems with any of the.
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  Speaker 6: Because because Stretch was in la Is taking care of right, So.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't really have, you know, like they were even
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  Speaker 4: they were a little critical at the end of the
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  Speaker 4: Rams Philly game, and I think the Rams handled it fine.
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  Speaker 4: It was going to be fourth down. They needed to
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  Speaker 4: get the first down. If they got it, they were
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  Speaker 4: going to have plenty.
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  Speaker 3: Of Yeah, they thought they were, you know, like themselves.
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  Speaker 4: After the sack, they didn't rush to the line, and
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  Speaker 4: nor should they have. I think they had plenty of time.
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  Speaker 4: The more important thing was getting a play that they
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  Speaker 4: liked for that fourth and thirteen, and obviously Slay made
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  Speaker 4: a good play on Pooka on that I could have
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  Speaker 4: been could have been a little bit of a hold,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm glad they didn't call it. I don't like
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  Speaker 4: to see games decided on.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think of Brady's performance? I thought he
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  Speaker 2: went down before he was better.
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  Speaker 4: He ain't got it, Mike, I ain't got The only
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  Speaker 4: thing I liked from him was he he was fairly
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  Speaker 4: critical of Aaron Glenn at the half, and then he
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  Speaker 4: sort of made fun of himself after that. He was
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  Speaker 4: critical of Glenn's over aggressiveness all night.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And then they came out the first drive of the
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  Speaker 4: second half and they kept blitzing the way they had
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  Speaker 4: the whole first half, and they actually got to stop,
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  Speaker 4: and Brady goes shows you what I know, Like he
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  Speaker 4: was self deprecating. No, you're right, Tom, Like it's clear
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  Speaker 4: that they're just picking this defense apart and they keep
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  Speaker 4: doing the same thing you talk about. I was very
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  Speaker 4: critical about our own defense during the course of the
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  Speaker 4: season last year for not making adjustments. I'll tell you
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  Speaker 4: what I got. I got from Aaron Glenn. I got
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Matt Patricia vibes from the Super Bowl when I knew
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: the Lions were going to hire him, and I'd be like,
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: I'd take a step back and pause after this performance
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: in such a big spot for him not to do
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: anything differently throughout that game, I thought Tom was onto something,
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: but then he let it go. He never really stuck
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: with it.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you mean like from the twenty seven seen Super
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Bowl where they just got rolled by the Eagles hit.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and then you know, he's getting your
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: job out of this and this is this is this
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: is a champion, as Fred said at the time, is
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: this the man?
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Is this.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: We're entrusting our organization too. We just get up like
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: forty points to the Eagles to a backup quarterback.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: So it sounds like that surprised you a little bit.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: No adjustments, Spike Glenn, anything else surprised you over the weekend.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: That Lion's performance And yeah, yeah, I mean well, and
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: I'd say the commanders too. Just I mean, I just
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: that still impressed with Jayden Daniels.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: What a job.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: He just didn't seem like his blood pressure or heart
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: rate got above just resting heart rate, like he's really good.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: He had some some dimes. I'm just really impressed with
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: him and the job that they did. I think they're
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: a little bit of an anomaly. A lot of questions
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: in the Mailbager, you know, should the Patriots do with
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: the red Sorry the Commanders did and you know, go
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: out and I mean it sounds great, but I think
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: really it's still You've got a good core there, guys
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: that they drafted, and the quarterback.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: You think that the sixty five games or so he
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: played in college did help him this year?
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: Of course, absolutely. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see how
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: that trend continues now with the NIL, with guys going
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: back and opting to go back, do they come in
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: a little bit more pro ready at the quarterback position
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: in particular, because I mean, he does not look like
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: a rookie, like he looks like somebody that has been
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: playing for a while. And he played at the in
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: the SEC at LSU in a big time program. You know,
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: it's not the NFL, but it's as close as you're
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: going to get in terms of a minor league's for
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: the NFL. And he looks like a completely seasoned vet
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: out there.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: You know, not to get down too much in a
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: rabbit hole in this whole NIL thing, but do you
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: think teams could run into issues where you got a guy,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: let's just say it's Jaden Daniels and he's coming into
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: his third year of eligibility, fourth year, but you got
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: this hot shot recruit and you want to start playing.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Him right now.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, there'll be issues like arch Manning.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: You know, it's exactly what's happening in Texas.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't think necessarily the NIL is going
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: to affect the top quarterbacks. I think Jaden Daniels needed
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: to sort of stay that long. He wasn't anywhere near
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: that level of a prospect heading into that senior year,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: as he ended up being an unbelievable year. Like arch Manning,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: I think those kinds of guys that that he's going
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: to make a ton. Yeah, I think he's going to
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: lead the country, right and n I l.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this year.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: His deal is already the highest in the country. I
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: wouldn't expect him to be in school much longer. Like,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I think he'll go anyway, even though he can make
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: really good money in college. Maybe he stayed. If he
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: doesn't have a great year, Maybe he'll stay and play
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: a second year because he can go after next year.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Teams like wanting to force guys out well and then.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Queen Yours that's what Evan's talking about. Queen Ewers was
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: the starter and it's pretty clear that he can he
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: can stay in school if he wants. But Arch Manning
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: is going to be the quarterback next year.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So he goes into the portal and goes somewhere else.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: He actually is he turned already, he declared for the draft.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'd say one other thing, fred I was uh.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I was impressed with c. J.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Stroud too.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: I just thought he showed, you know, some fight. I
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: agree with that, you know, tough, tough spot for him, But.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: I just throwing to one guy.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a lot to work with. He took
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: some hits, was hurt. I mean, I don't know how
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: what the extent of his injury was, but I just
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: was impressed with him.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: Interesting to see what happens there because Bobby slowick Is
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: went from the hottest coordinator candidate to on the hot
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: seat really quickly, and it sounds like Demiico Ryans is
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: kind of contemplating whether or not he's going to come back.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: So very lukewarm response to those questions.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, not that.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Good takeaway though by Stroud, because he didn't have like
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: a lot of people like sophomore slump. He took a
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: step back, just like watching that game in a big spotlight,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: happy happy with him. If he may have taken a
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: step back, I didn't, I don't know if maybe he
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: didn't play that well in a lot of these games.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: But man, yeah, I showed a lot of toughness and
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: a lot of leadership in that game.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Not that Josh Allen had a monster game, but did
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: he get an edge now with the MVP voting after.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't matter because that's the life I know.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: But they voted, Yeah, they should count these games.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: I don't think. I mean, my big takeaway from the
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: weekend is a lot of these you know, hot shot
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: assistants didn't really cover themselves in glory. I think Ben
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Johnson's double reverse pass was really really ill.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Timed, not needed.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: I think that I already talked about Aaron Glenn. I
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: think he was the single biggest reason why the Lions lost.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: And I thought Joe Brady that was a terrible, terrible
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: second half game plan that he put together. I don't
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: know how you can have Josh Allen and decide you
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: just stay over there, don't get involved in the game,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: stay over there. We're just gonna run every single first down.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: We're going to run the ball. And yet they won again,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Well they won, Harry. I mean, I believe I was
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: rooting for Buffalo, you know, I like Josh Allen, I
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: was rooting for Buffalo.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: You hate the Patriots, so it makes sense I couldn't.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: I couldn't root for anybody in that game. I was like,
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: my like two children. To me, it's like which quarterback
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: do I root for? Right now? I was devastated that
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: it ended that way for Lamar because I know the
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: discourse for him is just going to be nauseating.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: And I was like, drop with you, Like if you
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: if you come out of that game and you're like, see,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: you can't win with guys like Lamar Jackson, Like that's
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: a you probably like.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: If you watch that, make a couple of mistakes.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Oh no, No, he wasn't perfect. He didn't play a
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: perfect game, but like the interception was laughably bad in
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: the fall and the ball security and the fumble was
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: a bad play. Like I'm not saying he was perfect,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: but if you watched that last drive and you and
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: you came away and you said, see, you can't ever
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: win with guys like that, BS, that's a you problems.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: That was an unbelievable last were amazing.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: We were texting, if Andrews catches the ball, they still
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: have over a minute three left.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Mark Andrews deprived me of my moment. I wanted to
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: see Josh.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I wanted to see Josh. There's plenty of time even
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: if he blew up.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: And you want to like add to the he's a
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: joker thing, Yeah, Like I think they would have easily
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: gone down. And whether or not Best made the field goal,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: who knows, because that guy's a little bit of a
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: loose cannon too, although he had a good game.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: So it's so hard when it's Mark Andrews though, I mean.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Probably rely on the guy. I just cannot drop that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I was trying to remember who's the famous cowboy.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I think Jackie Smith.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Jackie Smith, he dropped that.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: He's got to be the sickest man in America.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: As fumbled.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the fumble was the biggest player in the game
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: because Baltimore was going down to take the lead on
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: that drive.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: Andrews.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: It's the same as the Karen Williams fumble in the
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Rams game. The Rams were absolutely going down to score
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: into they were going to take the lead in the
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: fourth quarter and Karen Williams fumbled because the best player
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: on the field MIC was o.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Jalen Carter Man faux show. I just think back to
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: him being at the when all of a sudden he
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: was supposed to speak right and then all of a
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: sudden he wasn't because of the legal issue. And you know,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: the Eagles get a gift. He probably drops a little bit,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: and you know, credit to them for pouncing on him.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: But man, he's impacting. I think he played every play
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: at least of the first half.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: I mean the postseason and pressures too.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's one of the if it's him and Chris
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: Jones at this point for the top spot amongst.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: I was thanking Chris Jones Aaron Donald watching him. He's
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: so disruptive from that spot. He's like those guys yep.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: And he won the game for them. They lose if
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: it's not I don't care how many yards sa Kuon
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Barkley had. They lose that game if not for Jalen Carter.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I texted Paul at halftime of that Eagles game, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, yep, Paul, almost two hundred yards rushing
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: in the first half and they're up by three. It's like, Douce,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: you know me too well.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: It was kind of similar with like Baltimore's like one
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: hundred and seventy nine yards and you know, averaged over
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: five yards to carry. But yeah, but they're sitting on
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: nineteen with two minutes left, and all of a sudden,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: you throw the ball in every play and got on
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: the score touchdown. Yeah, you know, that's it's it's hard
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: to do it. And listen, both of those teams, Philly
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: and Baltimore, they don't just run the ball well. They
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: have explosive players in the running game.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but even so.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Sixty two and seventy eight yard touchdowns for Barkley, I
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: think it was like a forty yard run for Hurts,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: like they piled up. I mean, they made big plays
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: in the running game, but they can't throw it all.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: The difference for Baltimore is lamark and throw it too. Yeah,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: you know, that's what makes them So that's why I
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: said I had a championship feel. I think Baltimore could
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: very easily make a claim that they're still the best
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: team in football and they're done going it to the
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: final four.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I thought that was like I thought, I thought they
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: were were really really good.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was to me. It was the two best
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: teams in the league. I agree it happened in the
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: final eight. This happens all the time. I feel like
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: in like these tournament settings.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: A few years ago it was Buffalo, but they're estimating
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs because they're making it look easy.
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: Right now, now, I thought you thought it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: They made it look easy. I thought everything was like disjointed,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: like this is one that I'm with the Patriots fans.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Well because of their defense those because you're focusing on
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: the offense, the defense had control.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: I didn't think so if the if the you know,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Taylor's there control, here we go. I think the referee,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: I've said many times that stop being babies. Every critical
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: juncture of that game that Houston looked like they were
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: starting to like get a little foothold. There was a
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: ridiculous call and the.
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: Flock that and that bugs me. And then they didn't
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: call that one. They did, in fairness, they didn't call,
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: but that was the that was the most embarrassing moment
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: from Mahomes blatantly is trying.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: For the call. But the two, the two the first
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: one I can understand, the will Anderson. It was a
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: high hit. I think if you look at the replay again,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: maybe he didn't make contact with the head, but it
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: was late and unnecessary, but also behind him.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: You notice what Mahomes did even on that play, snaps
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the head back. Did you see that he knows what
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: he's doing.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: I think that that call at least was understandable. The
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: second one.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Where he just drops to the ground in the house.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I go to those those I go to those meetings
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: in training camp when the officials talk to us and
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: they always tell us, you know, are you are you
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: instructed to let a play play out when there's like
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: a question whether or not it's a fumble, let it
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: play out. And then no, we're instructed to call what
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: we see. How can you call that a hit when
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: they never made contact?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: It would make couch and it was so the last
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: second sight.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have called it even if they had made
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: helmet to helmet content it was so late because it
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: was so late. But they hit each other.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Right, call what you.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: See and they give him. Now listen, do I think
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: to your point, Fred, do I think that if they
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: didn't call that, the Chiefs were going to lose?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: No?
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: I think they would have scored on that drive even
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: without that call. But they're too good to give them
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: three yards.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: But that's what people were saying about the Patriots for
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: twenty years, you.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Know, I mean, I get it, But at the same time,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: like you could hear Houston like already going in had
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the mindset of we're playing the rest too, And then
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: when those calls start to happen, even with the horse caller,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: what's the new rule where you slide into the guy's
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: feet that they just did this year that wasn't called
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: right off the bat slide into the guy, you know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: the hip drop tackle like right off the bat. But
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: you feel like Houston's already like set up mentally to
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: be like they, well, here we go.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Because there it was too many guys that we knew
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: we were coming here. It was us against everybody. Like, yeah,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: that's a bad message that Jamago Ryans gave his team
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: if that's what the mindset was heading into it.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: That game was the low point of the weekend for me,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: and I just like, and aside from like, I don't
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: want to be the Patriots fan who's now bitching about
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the refs, but like the Mahomes thing where he's trying
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: to draw halls and it's just it's a bad look
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: for the league, and especially when it's your marquee player
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: who's in the middle of all these different plays that
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: people and and like those plays happen. It's across the
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: board on Twitter, everybody.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: In this next game Mahomes that you know, I'll tell
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you what.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: I thought that might have been a like a trickle
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: down effect.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Freddy Is.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I watched the like that was the first game, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: I wonder if like there was a talk with the officials,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: because I thought they were much more with and I
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: think for the better. I didn't think there was any
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: call that was missed. I know, like Lamar had one
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: that he was running to the sideline and he kind
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: of got dragged out of bounce, but the contact started
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: in the field of play and then it followed through
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: like that's hard to just tell a guy, Okay, now
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: you need to stop because now over here it was legal,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: but now you're in the white it's not. He already
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: had him. Yeah, that absolutely, I think that would have
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: been a flag if it was Mahomes.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's just the feeling the Mahome hated that holding
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: call on that poor left hack.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: There was another text moment friends, a very big and
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: line Twitter right now the snatch move, like yeah, snatch
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: move is a technique that.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Every one of them goes. That's coaching, take every one
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: of your doors.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I did that in pop Water. I learned that and
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I was taking this guy down on everybody. Yeah, and
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: he started aching that's okay, Well.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: If you're going to get long arm, then there's really
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: nothing else that you do. Like if you're going to
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: get you know, bulrush long arm, like that's the counter Like,
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: that's the teaching point from a coaching perspective. You know,
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: if you get long arm, you knock the arm down.
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: And if you're going to get called for holding for that,
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: now that was that.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Was a bad call. Now that was the only penalty
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: on the Bills in the game. But that but that
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: took but that took points off the board for Buffalo
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: when you put it that way, well, they weren't there.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: There was only six penalties in the game, and like
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: three of them there was a delayed game and two
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: false starts. I think the passing the finance was a
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: terrible call on Tredavius White.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: That was not I was with you, though, Paul, with
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: the just the weather of those two games on Sunday
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: where and I heard Kurt Warner say this. It was
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: you know, look, I get it, like we have to
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: you know teams like when I was in Arizona, but
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: there's just no way to prepare for us. Like especially,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I thought it was too big of an impact.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: There was a big difference once it got really bad
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: that I thought there was a big difference between There
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: was like a span of time where the Rams clearly
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: weren't adjusting to the weather and they I think were
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: to Evan's point, like Philly doesn't have that sophisticated to
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: a passing game and the Rams do. And I think
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: it really hurt the Rams.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: They just had a thing on one of Paul's TV shows,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: NBC Sports Boston. It was a poll or a ranking poll,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: non playoff team that's most likely to rebound next year.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Number one was the Bengals. I can't understand that, you know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Burrow and all, that they can score points I can
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: get to get. Number two was the Cowboys. Can we
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: wait to see who their coaches? I mean, like, why
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: do they always get the benefit of the doubt that team?
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Well, people probably assume the quarterback will be healthy next year.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: He wasn't this year. Maybe so they'll be better.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, but even when he was better, what if they won? Yeah,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: well what if.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: They want or will they be better than a losing team?
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: So they'll bounce back.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Well to find bounce back to me, bounce back in
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: the playoffs.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll probably make the playoffs. They make the playoffs
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: when Dak Prescott's healthy. As a general rule, to your point,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: they don't win anything when they get there. Yeah, but
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: they're a playoff team if the quarterback is healthy. They
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: went seven and ten? What them tricky facts?
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: You you were tricky facts?
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: So commanders to now, So getting back to where we started,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: it was the worst outcome for me because the Bills
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and getting back to me, Bills and the Chiefs are
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: both in the in the AFC Championship now, so there's
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: a fifty percent chance that one of these two teams
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: that I most want w.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: To What don't you hate the Eagles too? But it
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: was one of your underrated Hayes three out of four.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: You have to root for them.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I know, command and I think you left out though,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: But I mean, like Jayden Daniels winning a super Bowl,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: that's probably not great for Drake may right, and not
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: a great look. Maybe a little bit little bit that does.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: That put on can I play the role of my shows?
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Does that put on due pressure on Drake May? Is
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: he falling behind? Fallen behind? That's how they do it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Tailor is like in the feudal position.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: But d Rowland in the Super Bowl. Think about the
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: Chad Ryland kick though, all see like it goes back
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: And I don't understand that argument because he missed the
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: kick against the Giants, which was the bigger on the
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: draft order, Like, it really bugs me when he does that.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie because I'm like it just that's
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: logically incorrect.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: The fact that the game was tied, like they could
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: have won it over time.
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: He says, like it cost him. Jayden Daniels like, no,
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: he got them Drake May by missing the kick against
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: the Gickets.
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: There you go.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: I don't know how we don't see that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: So here's how I'm making lemonade out of these lemons.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I'm rooting for the Chiefs now because not to win it,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: but at least to win the AC Championship because if
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: they do win the Super Bowl, it'll be three in
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: a row and it'll kind of like be a reason
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: for Patriots fans to start over to say, all right,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: forget about the dynasty. This team's just as good as
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: we were. They're actually doing it in a shorter period
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: of time. There's no reason. There's no reason for them
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: to start losing because Mahomes is healthy. Reads there, they're
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: gonna continue winning up and when Brady played Mahomes. I know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: but I'm just saying that now Patriots.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Fans will they didn't get there nine times.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Patriots fans will be forced to look ahead and stop
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: looking back.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: No, I understand what you're saying. It was funny like
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Shaughnessy had a column this morning and he's like just
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: sort of shut up and deal with it, you know.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: But he had a part of it like it's like
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: they'll never do what the Patriots did, and he had
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: like the nine you know, how do you know? I
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: don't really know how you can like the reason the better.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: The reason why Patriots fans are a little antsy is
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: because they see the possibilities. Right, the guy is still young,
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: and there's I'm sorry, as long as he's healthy, they
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: will have a chance every year, just like I say,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Buffalo will have a chance every year, and Baltimore will
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: have a chance every year. As long as those quarterbacks
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: are healthy, they're going to have a chance to get
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: their teams to this spot.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: And they know how to win.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: You know, if they were playing straight up in the
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: AFC Championship game, i'd pay Buffalo and the landslide. But
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: we we already know it's not going to be straight up,
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: so I would assume wait.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Snakeman, because of the refs play.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: It's just pretty obvious, like at this point with the Chiefs.
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: And also just like they they just keep on lucking
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: out on so many different things, like you just got that,
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: like more missfield goals.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: But I mean that was us, Like good teams forced
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: bad good teams forced the other team into.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Said they said to Fred that Mark Andrews dropping the
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: two point conversion was Brady era Patriots opponent.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, I mean other teams made those mistakes because
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the pressures on them when they play US.
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: Well, they're not going to play straight up in the
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: APES Championship.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: And now, what's the Taylor Swift effect? You think the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: league is saying, you know, we like her. Yeah, they've
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: got everybody in the booth.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Now, Like I just I wasn't overly impressed with this
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Chiefs team. Somehow they just keep winning, so you have
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: to respect that. But but at the same time, like Buffalout,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: they've really impressed me this year, and Philadelphia has impressed
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: me at times. I don't trust Jalen Hurts, But I
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: just if they win these next two games and win
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: another Super Bowl, it'll be it'll be a pretty remarkable achievement.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Given what this team is shown over the course of
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: this year. It's just not all that impressive to me.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: I just would hope if they if they do win it,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: I can live with it. But I just hope that
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: it's not like games like Saturdays. Can we can we
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: just have them win the game because they're better than
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: the other team, like and they don't have these plays
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: in these They can't these flute like to Evan's point,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: like the miss field goals and the bad plays on
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: special teams, the bad calls at the wrong times. Can
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: we just have it be straight up and have Kansas City.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: Win two games out because they can't? Like all right,
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: this is where I'm.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Going to.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: I think I don't think every game was handed they have.
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: They have a game winning field goal against Denver that
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: gets blocked from thirty five yards out and win the game.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: Like other games, it happens every single week that something
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: like this with Kansas City happens.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: They were winning a lot of last second game.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: This is like everywhere.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: But that's a good team.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: But that's yeah, I don't that's I don't hold that
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: against the team.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure they're good.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm defending the Chiefs.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm defending the Patriot. I don't. Yeah, I don't
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: take it to that extreme, but I do. I do
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: get frustrated with the Mahomes treatment as much as I
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: think Mahomes is unbelievable, but I do get frustrated with
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: the Mahomes.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: What I can't live with is the Bills winning the
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. That to me, that's that's the worst. That
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: would be the worst of all outcomes.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: I don't know they would be in.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: They're already in sufferable.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I know, that's what I'm saying.
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: The idea of having to watch another Chiefs Eagles super
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: Bowl just pains me so much that I'm okay with
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: the Bills winning because.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: I have no But you also, like Josh, I have,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: but I have not, But.
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: I have no desire to watch another Chiefs Eagles Super Bowl,
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: especially this version of the Chiefs and the Eagles. The
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: teams two years ago put on a great show. That
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: was a really good game in the Super Bowl. This
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: is this is not that?
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: How about a J Brown after you know, the passing
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: games out. We gotta do this, We got to do that.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: I mean those a pretty bad performance. Yeah yeah, that
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: drop it the goal line that was that was a really.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Bad They should they should get they should cut him
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: loose and we should take some One guy that I
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: will give some flowers to on the Chiefs is Trum McDuffie.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: I thought he was really he was outstanding in that game.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Anytime they had to like need it play going an
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Eco Collins strange so maybe.
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: You know the Bills will actually cover Travis Kelsey, who
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: like can't run anymore, and it still gets open.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: I can't believe he didn't get a touchdown on that
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: one that he sort of cut that. I was like,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: there's nobody there and they still ran him down inside
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: the ten.
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: All right, past Like this worries it angers me watching them.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Eight five with the past five hundred is the TPS
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: About Me podcast at Patriots dot Com is the email address.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Let's hear what everyone has to say in how their
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: weekend went. We'll start on the TPX outline. We'll start
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: with William and Philam what's up? William William And I.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Was a little I was a little surprised because I
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: had some takes that I thought were a little bit
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: outside of the box that I thought Evan would probably
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: you know, like what push back. I don't know, just in.
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: General, well, like the Ben Johnson thing, I just I
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: guess I just really don't feel like defending him today because.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: That wouldn't be one of them that that was a
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: bad that was a bad time to come.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: So everybody gets mad at him for calling the trick play,
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: but all the other trick plays that the Lions run
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: all year long that everybody goes Google Gaga for, it's like, yeah, there,
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: it's a risk, Like you're running a trick play. You're
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: gonna happen, but there's a time and a place, right,
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: But oh, Jamison Williams, I'm sure is coach, if this
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: is wide open, you throw it away into the tenth row,
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: Like why is that why you don't call it? But
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: it's first down, Like just throw the ball away? He's
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: not open scream.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: It seemed a little unneeded at the time, but I.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: Felt like he's only going to get that fifty yards
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: and now make it a three point game. That's probably
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: still eight minutes.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: But let's say every single trick play the Lions that
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: ran over the last couple of years is that. You know,
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: do they really need to run the hook and ladder
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: when they're up by three touchdowns?
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: No?
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they weren't up by three touchdowns.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's my that's the time and place, Like you
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: basically have to score in this drive.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: I just have a like, Jamison Williams made a bad decision.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: Now you can sit here and say, why do you
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: have the receiver throwing the ball? Fine, but like I
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: also just think it's hypocritical. I think it's hypocritical that
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: we're gonna blame Ben Johnson for his offense having five
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: hundred yards and thirty one points.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: What did I tell you was the reason why they lost?
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: No, but I just think it I'm not offense. You
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: put thirty one on the ball five times and still
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: put thirty one on the board. That's how good a
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: coordinator he is. I just didn't like that.
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: Play called everybody sits here and says that blames it
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: on on Ben Johnson and the coordinators. Like you're telling
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: me that this Dan Campbell, like it's the culture, it's
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: the it's all. But he skates, right, it's the it's
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: the two coordinator's fault now, Like no, Like.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Well, they didn't have it. He didn't skate on the
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: NFC championship last last year. That was all on Campbell
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: and they didn't have those egregious you know, mistakes game management, right.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: But this argument get a coach like that, right, that
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: he's going to build up the culture and he's gonna
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: build like everybody's gonna play hard, and everybody's gonna be
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: together and all that kind of stuff that that team
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: that was a one and done disappointment like that was
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: that was a terrible.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Loss, but the enemy of twenty ten.
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: But then the coordinators getta get the heat for it, right,
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: Like it just to me, it's like you're if he's
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: gonna get all this credit for building this great program, Well,
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: people like.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: You don't give him any credit for anything. You say,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: it's all about the coordinators.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm very interested.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: So now the coordinators let him down.
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: I'm very interested to see where they go from here
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: because I think they have a mediocre quarterback that was
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: being propped up by agree.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: That's so hard, That's all I was looking for a.
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: Little I really don't scratch. I think Campbell is like
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: a horrible coach, like I don't. I don't have a
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: little string.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: But I don't think he's all that like horrible.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: Might be a little strong, but I I I don't
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: think that he's a very good coach. I think that
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: his his decision making is mostly reckless. And they've gotten
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: away with it for a couple of years because they're
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: that good. And and I think that he's been carried
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: in a lot of ways by those courts.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: He looks like he's getting bigger in the post Campbell,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: He's maybe the podium is getting smaller. I don't know,
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: he's huge. Like you know, we got our guy who's
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: pretty big, Rabes, Dan Campbell is.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: I'll take big' take Rabes. He's country to Did you
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: see any of our Did you see any of our
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: poor friend Hardy at the Detroit Lions game?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: No?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: But I asked Paul if anyone did a wellness check
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: on him?
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: He was there good seats to fifty Fred and Hardy
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Fred and Hardy Tough.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: We can't be mad. We can't criticize him because he
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: cried at the press conference.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't criticize him for that. I'm just saying
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: he's a bit of a crier. It's very emotional. Dick
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Vermill cried every every time he spoke.
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the Lions, they're going to regret they should
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: hire Ben Johnson.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Oh there.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: I think they're going to do the do the Bruce
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: Arians thing.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah in Tampa of push a bumble upstairs and yeah.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Question just real quick while we're on it. With Ben Johnson,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: do you think he goes to the Bears and and
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: keeps running all the trick plays? You have to build
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: up to that. Can you do that right out of
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: the gate.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: You need a three score bleed?
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Well, I think you do have to sort of build
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: up to it. But yeah, I would expect him to
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: show that creativity.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Because sometimes it felt like they were just trying to
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: prove a point or stick it to somebody or something.
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: I just think that in general, my like the trick
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: play thing with Ben Johnson and the Lions, I think
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: gets way overblown like I think that what makes their
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: offense great is all the other stuff and not in
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: the trick place.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Johnson will get involved in the selection of the fingernail
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: polish color each game.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: It's an interesting combination those two, that quarterback and that head.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know much about Ben Johnson, but I've
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: seen him. He seems intense, he seems quiet, and Caleb
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Williams seems a little bit intense and quiet and a
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: little weird too. I just I wonder what that is.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Gonna do a lot.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Of running this week. I go with Puce Peas.
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: But he does have a nice combination. Like Dennis Allen's
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: gonna be his defensive coordinator, which is what everybody said, Like,
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: if you're gonna you need a veteran coordinator, there's been
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: a head coach preferably He's got that sounds like Darren
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: Rizzy's gonna come down and coach special teams too, So
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: like they are gonna have a really good staff. It's
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: gonna be really good the riz.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: All Right, So Phil in Toronto has a very important question.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: He says, a Jersey Mike's is opening up here in
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Toronto on Wednesday, and I'm a big sandwich guy, so
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to try it. However, this will be a
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: one time visit for the foreseeable future. Is I have
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: certain dietary restrictions, Which sandwich would you recommend to get
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the most out of this one visit? Well, it depends
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: on what your diet very restrictions.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Evan will be able to talk to you about your
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: dietary restrictions. But my choice would be the thirteen. Mike's way.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would go with thirteen. That's the Italian.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: It depends on you know what you want, Like I
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: think that Chipotle cheese steak is the best thing. My
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: son loves that on the menu. That's if you want.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: If you're going to eat a cheese steak. The turkey
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: you and I yea. The Italian are also solid.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Simple turkey is bad enough on things.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: They have a good steak and cheese.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: They have a good steak is very good.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: But if your dietary restriction is weak, then.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I believe you're getting Milton.
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: That's about it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: But the thirteen you can't go wrong if you like Italians?
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: Correct?
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: And why wouldn't you like it?
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't. Uh Grant and Minnesota watching Ohio State last
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: night and saw Evan's tweet on Amika Agbuca, and it
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: got me thinking about a thought I've always had about them.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: We never draft Ohio State players. With all the good
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: teams and receivers they've had, It's crazy we never took
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: a shot on someone from there.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: I never really thought of it.
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: I think the last big player that they've heard.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: All I can think of is Yep, and I believe
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: this was the Jim trest Hill area era. Did Belichick
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: have a vendenna against Ohio State, Urban Meyer or Ryan Day?
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Have you guys ever.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Took all of Urban Meyers guys when he was in Florida?
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Have you guys ever heard anything about this or thought
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: about it before? I feel like, with all the good
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: teams they've had, we should have taken a shot on
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: somebody from there.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we've this has been discussed. Not to pick on
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: the email, but I think there was something that might
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: have happened there, maybe a certain tight end that Bill
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: felt like maybe the intel wasn't great on and that
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: could have possibly.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: The relationships down Urban Meyer.
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: Possibly. I'm just that's probably not true. I'm totally speculated.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: I would have been more mad at the Jermaine Cunningham.
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: But I just wonder if there was something like that
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: that would have been that Bill thought that the intel
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: that he was getting wasn't great. Maybe it was that, maybe,
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: you know, just player valuation or whatever. But it has
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: been discussed that they have not taken a lot of
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: Ohio State guys, and we talked about it a little
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: bit off the air. The estimation is that sixteen Buckeyes
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: are going to be drafted this year, which would be
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: a record for one program. So there are going to
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: be a lot of Ohio State talk. You know, both
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: edge rushers, Buka, their left tackle who was hurt, didn't
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: even play in the National Championship Game. He's going to
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: be a high draft pick. They have a lot of
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: NFL talent, a lot spiin Fresno.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I guess they have a me problem, he says. Yes,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Lamar's last drive was Brady esque. Yes, he's an electric
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: player in the league. But I don't know how you
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: look at his postseason track record and just dismiss it
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: out of hand in your overall account of the player.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: He hasn't won two in a row in the postseason,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: and he's always been part of the reason why, whether
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: it's throwing into triple coverage last year or his ball
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: security this year. He's not the only talented player in
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: history to have precipitous drop off, as in the playoffs
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Marino Romo rivers. I just don't know why it's a
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: me problem to acknowledge the fact that Lamar belongs in
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: that category so far.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: I listen, I can't argue with you.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: When a player tells you he gets antsy in those situations,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: believe him.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I don't think he looked like he
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: was antsy. You don't think in certainly not in the
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: second half of that game. I think he willed his
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: team back into the game. I think they were dead
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: and buried at the half twenty one to ten, Buffalo's
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: got the ball to come out. Joe Brady and Lamar
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Jackson were the two reasons why Baltimore had a chance,
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: And I can't argue those are all facts. He hasn't
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: won two in a row. He had two turnovers in
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: the game. Speed's right, I mean, I mean, I just
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: look at it and say, I don't think they have
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: any a little help. That last drive wasn't Brady esque. Yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: that last drive was unprecedented. Him running around throwing darts
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: twenty five yards down the field like that wasn't Brady,
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: Like Brady would be surgical with as Evan talked about earlier,
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: with you know, sort of the dnking dunking and getting
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: in position, just betting perfect with every throw. This was
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: like just an individual effort three players in like Tyland
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Wallace out of nowhere with like a twenty seven yard
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: completion that was sick. And the amount of time that
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: he buys to get these guys wide open. I mean
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: to me, that last drive was was special. Maybe I
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: go back He's right everything he said.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe I go back on what I said earlier about MVP.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I know the playoffs don't count, but maybe this proves
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: it is all just Lamar, or it is Lamar more
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: than it is all just Josh Allen, because like you said,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: they're running the ball in Buffalo.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Well they ran the ball more in Baltimore.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: But it's it's also his legs.
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: You know, they both impact, they both run the ball,
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: but so much of his legs like impact the whole thing, right, like.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: They was making there, Like you don't count that in
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: the rushing, but if you add up the yards. He
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: runs behind the line of scrimmage.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: Right, you know, And this is normally what Buffalo does,
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: except for Joe Brady decided we have enough points at
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: halftime of this game. We're not gonna try to score
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: anymore in the second half. I think he egregiously affected
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: that game with his play calling in the second half.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know how you can have a guy like
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen. Okay, you want to be a little conservative,
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: maybe you don't want him throwing it down the field
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: as much. Can you let him throw it at least
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: five yards? Everything was either a quick screen to someone
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: that the Ravens were eating up or first down run,
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: first down run, first down run. They had one drive
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: when it was twenty four to nineteen. The first five
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: out of six plays of the drive were Josh Allen completions.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: They got to the twenty yard line and they did
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: nothing but run it from there, and they ended up
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: getting stopped on third down from the two. Even if
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: you say, okay, we're gonna have Josh, maybe roll out
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: and have an option. If you don't want to throw it, fine,
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: you just take a shotgun snap and have him just
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: plow horse ahead. Like Baltimore was too good for that.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: That worked once earlier in the game. You can't just
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: do the same stuff against teams that are that are.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: As good as you are, right well, and that what
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, is this the narrative that's waiting
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: for Josh Allen if he loses to Mahomes again. So
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: at a certain point you have to credit the fact
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: that the AFC has three or four really good quarterbacks
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: right now in these games.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Is I look that game, Josh Allen. I heard someone
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: say Josh Allen did nothing in this game. Josh Allen
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: did not make a single mistake in the game. He
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: did the play every single time.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he wanted to he wanted to see that.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he thought about it. He thought about like lateraling
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: that back. And I was like, oh my god, this
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: is that. This would be like Josh, this would be
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: like rookie year Josh Allen on steroids, Like here we go.
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: But this is it. They're a good chance. And maybe
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: Josh Allen loses next week and he can be in
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: this category two. But that they both have like Peyton
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: Manning like careers where it takes them a while to
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: break through because they have the Mahomes in the way
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: or they have each other in the way, and then
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: you're eight if you know, one of them wins the
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: super Bowl. Like I feel like that's where we're headed
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: with both these guys. And I think the one nice
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: thing is about watching these guys as not a fan
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: of either team, is like, I just don't care about
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: the outcome of the game. I just want them to
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: do cool stuff, so like it doesn't bother me whether
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: they win or they lose, and it doesn't become this
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: whole discourse about the player.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: That was kind of like the Buffalo Baltimore game had
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: that kind of feel for me a little bit, and
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: it was the same as the Kansas City Buffalo game
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: from a few years ago. In the division around like
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: I'm just watching greatness on the watching I'm watching offense.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: I'm watching these two guys just execute at such a
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: high level. You know, it's not my team, so I'm
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: not as emotionally invested. I just enjoyed it. That's why
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: I said, I feel like we were because Mark Andrews
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: dropped that pass, I felt like we were deprived of
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: another the you know, theater trip and you know one
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: thing that White.
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: People get so mad about like, oh, like Lamar's you know,
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: choking or whatever, like why do you if it's not
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: your team, and why.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Do you well because they had this takee and now
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: they're backing it up.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: And it's my point though, is that I don't let
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: the like watch the game and tell me that you
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: thought that he can't win, right, Like, I'm not telling
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: you he was perfect, but when he had to be perfect,
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: he was and he did everything but hand the ball
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: to Mark Andrews on the two point conversion. There's been
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: very little talk of John Harbaugh going for two the
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: first time, which I thought was a bad decision. A
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: so they cut it to twenty one nineteen still in
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: the third quarter. They usually tell you don't go for
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: two until you have to.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't care it hurt by going for two.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: If you go for one, you make it. Now it's
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: the one point game instead of a two point game.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: What's the difference?
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: So now you win. You either win the game with
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: the two point conversion at the end, or you kick
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: it and go to overtime.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: No I know, but at the time, like you still
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: you need a field goal either way to win the game.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: At that present time, whether you made the two point
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: or not, it's either two point game or a one
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: point game.
• 52:55
  Speaker 10: No.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if they made the two it would have been tied. Okay, well,
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: if you kick it, it goes to one. It was
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: twenty one nineteen.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: They ran for two. I got you, So they missed it.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: Now here's my bigger problem, and this back to my
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: overall theme. I thought a lot of these hot shot
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: assistant coaches that are all in line for head coaching jobs,
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: I don't think many of them covered themselves with glory
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: when that drive that they made it twenty one to
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: nineteen was Derek Henry ten yards, Justice Hill ten yards.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Derek Henry twelve yards, Justice Hill ten yards. They score
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: a touchdown, and what do they do for the two
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: point conversion?
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: They throw the ball.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: No, I just run it in it. They couldn't stop you,
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: but they weren't shopping though.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: If you're down by two at that point in the game,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I still say going for the two point conversion made sense.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: No, that's fine. I'm saying run the ball. You just
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: ran it down the throat on that drive. That was
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: the first time the whole game that Derek Henry got traction.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: They shut him down in the first half, they did,
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: they did in the second half. They figured it out.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: But that happens a lot with Derek Henry early on.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: It takes him a little while.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Right, So write them, Yeah, don't throw the ball, makes
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: a good play, knocks the pass down, and they keep
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: the lead. I thought they kept the momentum. I think
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: if they kicked the extra point there, which is I
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: think the thing to do. I think the whole the
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: rest of the game unfolds differently.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: It's an interesting conversation though about you know, he's talking
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: about the assistance. All these guys are are going to
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: get jobs anyways, most likely not all of them, but
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: most of them. Yeah, And so the question is is, like,
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: it's one game, right, It's one It's it's one playoff game,
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: and like, how how much does that outweigh the seventeen
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: games that they played before that, you know, and how
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: important do we how much weight should we put on
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: one playoff game?
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't have that. I mean,
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: like the thing, I'm not gonna like he gave me some.
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: Pos but I could hear it either way.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: Todd Mounkan was one play, I would not necessarily say
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: same with Ben Johnson. I was one play I didn't like.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't necessarily be affected. But now, just you know,
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: all these guys are all about the hot shots and
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: it's kind of a weak crop of coaching Canada. It's
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: in general, I thought, yeah, it's it's shallow.
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: I mean, Ben Johnson's a really goot.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Ben Johnson shallows the best.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean we had our coach is great,
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: we love it. Ben Johnson's good. So it's a shallow and.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: We had a nice little talk with him today.
• 55:14
  Speaker 10: That was.
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: That was cool.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, go away.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to the TPX outline. Brent's and Reno.
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: Hey, Brent, Hey, guys, I just got.
• 55:24
  Speaker 11: A quick question for you, and I'll take the answer
• 55:27
  Speaker 11: off air. Do you guys think that based off of
• 55:29
  Speaker 11: our needs within the next couple of seasons, you know,
• 55:32
  Speaker 11: through the offensive line and the receivers, and there are
• 55:35
  Speaker 11: needs on defense, Like, is there enough people coming up
• 55:37
  Speaker 11: in free agency and the draft to be able to
• 55:39
  Speaker 11: fill all those and get us in the playoffs and
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: one to two seasons or do you think it's gonna.
• 55:43
  Speaker 12: Be like four or five?
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Well, no, you're not gonna fill all your needs. Thanks
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: for the call, you know, you hope to fill three
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: or four. And but I think where you're gonna make
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: progress over the long term is you know, signing these
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: mid level guys, you know, the guys that kind of
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: is your you know, there's a difference between foundational players
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: and players that make up your foundation, you know what
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, Like you need a lot of guys to
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: make up a foundation. They're not necessarily your stars, like
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: guys that you build around, but they're the guys you
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: build on top of.
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: It can't take five years five years, no no, no, no,
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: Bible won't have a job.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: But it's not gonna be one. It's not gonna be
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: you know, Listen, you can turn it around very quickly.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: The command just showed that you got to you gotta
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: be perfect almost to do that. But in two years yeah,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: hell yeah, well hell yeah.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: And there's things like you know, the left tackle for
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: the for Washington that they drafted this year, you know,
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: and he worked out Like sometimes it happens that way
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: that guys you don't necessarily expect to all of a
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: sudden as send to a level where they're maybe competent
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: or better. I think we're a little bit skewed the
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: last couple of years because the opposite has happened. You've
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: seen guys that you believe in that are playing under
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: what you think that they're capable of doing. So if
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: you get the program going and guys are buying in
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: and then they're you know, the rising tide raises all
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: ships that you know, guys you don't expect can be
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: competent and part of a way you get good coaching.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't underestimate that.
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: But they should be contending. I'm not saying in the playoffs,
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: but they should be contending for the postseason next year.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they should.
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: Be a team that is playing, you know, real football
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: games in December next year.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you watched the games last weekend,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: not this weekend, but last weekend and not think that
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: they're like, you know, like these teams are okay, the
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: six to seventh seeds, like five six that they're good.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you after the offseason. I'm not dismissing that
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: as out of hand, but I you know, like if
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: you would told me that last year at this time,
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: I would have said, yeah, I could see it, but
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: not after the off season that they have Well.
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm saying that that's that should be the expectation,
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: like the expectations should be that they should have a
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: good offseason and that they should be building towards again
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: playing meaningful football late in the season. I'm not saying
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: they're going to make the playoffs or win playoff games
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: or whatever. But if they're not playing meaningful football in
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: December and January of next year, then something went wrong.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: William's back William and fellon what's up? I give you
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: another try and you're not there again?
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: Wow, He's gonna be really mad.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jackson's in West Virginia. Hey Jackson, you know it's.
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: I got a question.
• 58:17
  Speaker 13: I think it leans towards the Evans side here as
• 58:23
  Speaker 13: we get into the draft talk free agency talk. When
• 58:26
  Speaker 13: you talk about wide receivers, can can you explain a
• 58:30
  Speaker 13: bit like the difference between X and Z and I
• 58:33
  Speaker 13: don't you call why the slot, just the difference between
• 58:37
  Speaker 13: those positions, what they actually are, and what we're kind
• 58:39
  Speaker 13: of looking for in those positions, and maybe even who
• 58:42
  Speaker 13: we have on the team.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: And then okay, quick, quick primer on the wide receiver
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: letter system.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: I could do it too.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's not bad, I know.
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: I mean the X receiver is.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Just your your.
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: Backside boundary receiver, right, So he's the guy that's gonna
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: line up on the outside, opposite the side of the
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: tight end, and he's gonna play the boundary you'r Z
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: receiver or your flanker as some other people have called
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: it is more of like a chess piece, right, He's
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: the guy that's gonna move inside outside play off the
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: line of scrimmage so that you can move him around
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: a little bit more. And then the slots, you know,
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: obviously the slot so that that's those are the three positions,
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: and what type of receiver that is varies like it
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: usually you think of an X receiver as you know,
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: I think the prototypical X receiver that everybody always thinks
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: of as like Calvin Johnson, right, like he's you know,
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: the six foot four down the field threat outside guy.
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: But really what you're looking for is a guy that
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: can win one on one, you know, just somebody that's
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: gonna see a lot of press coverage, a lot of
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: man to man backside. Can he win a one on
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: one consistently or tilt coverage in his direction because he's
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: so darn good that they have to account for him.
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: Z Receivers are a lot more about versatility, I would say,
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: and winning at the first and second level. Your chain
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: mover of your offense, but it varies, so you can
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: you know that can change based off of skill sets.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: You know, Tyreek Hill plays a lot of X in Miami.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: He's not built like Megatron, you know, So it really
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: just depends on what you want in terms of your offense.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Yep uh. And then you have the h back. Let's
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: see Jeffrey in Canada. We all got to see the
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: best teams and the best players this weekend. The draft
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: strategy at four is simple. Draft a good player who
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: was good and productive player in college. Example, Jamair Gibbs
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: not saying we should draft a running back, but kudos
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: to the Lions for ignoring draft experts and saying we
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: want this guy. We don't care if he's a running back.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: To me, he's the most explosive player in the league
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: right now. So if Abdul Carter is the best player,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: take them. Just get good players, and good coaches can
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: use the good players to win games.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: So the pushback on Jamiir Gibbs though, is the Lions
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: were already basically a finished product, So Jamir Gibbs was
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: a luxury pick. Like they have had the luxury to
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: go out and pick a guy at a non premium
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: position like Jamir Gibbs that early in the draft. You know,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: ask the Carolina Panthers with Christian McCaffrey, like how that went?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: Or the Falcons would be John Robinson, or the Giants
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: with Sakuon Barkley, Like that's what you don't want to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: do with the running back position. When you're the Lions
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: and you already have an offensive line, and you already
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: have Penny Sewel, and you already have all these other pieces,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: you can take a guy like Jamiir Gibbs. The Patriots
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: took Sony Michelle right, like that you can.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Do about the Giants taking Barkley. Yeah, I did just
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: say that, Oh did you?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: And how did that go?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: I like the point though, because I think you watched
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: all these teams this weekend, wat.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: We all do it.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: They all stack so many good drafts. You just look
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: at like you remember these guys and how they've been
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: building for a while, and you know, eventually Penny Sool,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Like you remember them drafted him a few years ago.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: They were building pieces putting him in place. They ascend
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: it to a higher level and then you get to
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: that point finally where you can take luxury picks. But
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: I think all those teams just represent a little bit
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: of they've been stacking drafts for a while now, and
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: that's something the Patriots happened to you.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the Lions are just they had that draft that
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: it was Gibbs, it was Jack Campbell, it was Brian
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: Branch And it's like all these positions playing and playing
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: that that are that people will say it, you know,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: in the draft knicks faces because they weren't there Campbell
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: the premium position players, right, But they already had Aiden Hutchinson,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: they already had Penny Sewel, they already had Jared Goff,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: like they already had a Monroe, Saint Brown, j Williams. Right,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: So they were just like drafting guys to supplement what
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: they had already had. When you're the team like the Patriots.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 6: The Patriots need Aiden Hutchinson, they don't need Jack Campbell,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: you know. And that's like I think the situation.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: That I think they need both they could use Jack
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Campbell too, right.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: But Evan's point is individually, those guys aren't going to
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: make a difference on this team. Like they could have
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: taken Jamier Gibbs. The twenty twenty four Patriots with Jamiir
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: Gibbs playing would have been four and thirteen. Yeah, Like,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: it's not just getting it right right, getting getting a
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: lot of players right. That's what Mike's point about stacking drafts.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: It's the only way out of this mess is they
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: got to start drafting better.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Yep, Ford and Savannah, says Paul exclamation point, Ford, don't
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: pooh pooh starting a game management school. If the coaching
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: decisions this year have taught us anything it's that they
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: could greatly use your services. Matt Eberflus could still have
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: a job, The Falcons could be in the playoffs, et cetera.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: What about like the high school level? You watch high
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: school games where it's admittedly much less polished and professional,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Like I imagine high school coaches screw it up a
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: lot when you're watching those games.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's different. I mean that's like it's more execution,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: Like it's more like you can only do so much with.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: The decisions are easier. Give it to our best athlete right.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: With the talent that you have available, it's hard to
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: just say, like he's gotta get out of bounds there,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: Like you know, like most parents are yelling at stupid stuff,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: and you're.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Yelling, why could you use the time out there?
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: Like you know, accentuate the left guard? Can we can? We?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: High school offenses, though, are impressive, Like some of these
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: offenses are are really sophisticated offenses that are doing some
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: stuff that trickles up.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Honestly, you'd like our offense to be honest.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: Now, there's a lot of offenses that are doing a
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: lot of a lot of motion, a lot of a
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: lot of stuff, you know, that are now the college
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: game in the NFL game are picking up.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: On David Wright saying, well, it took you guys long
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: enough to come around, but I'm glad you finally did.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: The NFL is rigged in favor of the Kansas City Swifts.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: If I have to look at her face after every
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: completed pass during the Super Bowl, I think I'll just
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: record it and watch the commercials the next day. Taylor
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Swift is the worst thing to happen to the NFL
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: since CTE. Oh come on, it's Fred. You are normally
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: my favorite character. But your thought process for rooting for
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs over the bill, this is the mark of
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: a true psychopath.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: I actually like Taylor Swift, no problem.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: I have no problem with it. But if you don't
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: think that it impacts a little.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: Bit, oh, I don't think it impacts the game at all.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but through the roof every single I.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: Think it's kind of funny that she that like she's there,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: she gets it, like she clearly has no clue and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: you know her. And Caitlyn Clark.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Says that Caitlyn was a little uncomfortable, like she was listening.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, she didn't know whether it like to
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: like be smiling, and she's a botherer. She seemed a
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: little uncomfortable.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: There, and she got mad because she's actually a chief Span.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: She grew up a Chiefs fan. She grew up in Iowa. Yeah, like,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: and that's her team. And I think people were like, oh,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: now she's just riding the coach.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: They say, poor Caitlyn.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: Caitlyn Clark, Alex writes, everybody agrees because.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: No one's watching.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: Alex and Brawley.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: I'm with Evan. I can't watch another Chiefs Eagle Super Bowl.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: My dad is a Commanders fan, so I'll be ruining
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: for them. But I would be okay with Josh Allen
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: winning because he's a great quarterback. The Chiefs are good,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: and I understand why people were frustrated with the Patriots
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: with the Patriots won when they won, I guess he
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: spelled it ow ay. There is a big difference though,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: is that Brady wasn't adding as much theatrics as Mahomes
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: to get the calls. It's a bad look. He's a
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: great quarterback, just poor taste to do that.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: It's a very bad look on Saturday. But Brady did
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: it all the time I listen.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was any problem with that. So
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to complain about Mahomes.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: Oh I'll complain about it.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: I know you will. If you complain about.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: It, then that's not my issue with the Chiefs. I
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 6: just when you like, just watch them, I test wise,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: they just seems like there's other teams that are better,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: and it's frustrating to me that then we get into
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: the games and they're just finding these quirky ways, but.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: Frustrate you when the other teams seemingly were better than
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: the Patriots. But as Fred said, the Patriots made them
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: play there less than their best.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, but because they question were these other teams
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: really better than the Patriots, like really truly better?
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Well they weren't, but that's the point they like you
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: want to read that.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: According to Albert Brier, the Patriots interviewed Vikings assistant and
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: it's gone.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so this guy's like twenty eight and he's like Ozinski. Yeah,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 6: and apparently he is very, very sought after and people
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: think extremely high of him. But he's very young. He's like,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: I think he's twenty eight years old and would be
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: the youngest coordinator maybe in the history of the NFL.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: If I'm tired as a coordinator, and I think he's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: going to wow.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: Just like as a point of confundate, you're just like,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: you know, in twenty eighteen, I think a lot of
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: people would have thought the Chiefs are probably the better
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: team here, but the Patriots are going to find a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: way to get that call when the game's on the
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: line and they win the game. It's the same thing
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: you're talking about now.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: I agree with that in comparison to an extent, but
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: the Patriots are also at a much different point of
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: the dynasty at that point, Like this is supposed.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: To be, well, this is a reset for Kansas City.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 6: But they're supposed to be like Mahomes is in his prime.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but everybody else is like all that. The rest
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: of the guys are certainly not in their prime, and
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: they don't have the offense that they've had in the past.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's kind of similar to the eighteen team
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: that they didn't have that power offense.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of similarities. I just don't think that
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: Mahomes and Brady are at all in a similar spot.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: So like, you know, like that offense should be a
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: lot better than a lot of.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: People were calling that game the passing of the Torch.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: That was where Kansas City finally, you know, and and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Brady wouldn't allow for that.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: But I mean, even like some of the some of
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: the early Colts games that when the games were in Indianapolis,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: they would shootouts, and the games were here in the weather,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: they weren't yeah, you know, and like the Patriots found
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: a way to you know, just do just enough and
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: they they would have it here. But I think a
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: lot of people thought that the Colts were at least
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: they were equal, if not better. Now in three, I
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: think they.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Were, and they were season Patriots playoffs four, I.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: Don't well, I mean manning Bee the Patriots more often
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: than not in the play six didn't count. Yeah it
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: neither did the flu It neither did thirteen and fifteen
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: I guess had Rodney Harris. Yeah, they didn't count either
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: Rodanney Harrish or that was or six? Valentin from swim
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: thirteen and fifteen.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't remember what happened, Paul. All
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: I know. All I know is they lost.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: I remember what happened, barely throw the ball and remember it.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: All injuries. All that fifteen was terrible.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's a lot of a lot of injuries. Yeah,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: a lot of injuries.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Valentin writes in Lamar is a great player. But this
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: year the Ravens were three and six counting Sunday when
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Henry doesn't run for one hundred yards. The Ravens were
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: going as far as Henry would take them. In my opinion,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: the reason the Ravens lost this game is because Lamar
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: made crucial mistakes and Allan didn't make any correlation causation.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: There you go, math. I know it's difficult. I think
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Henry hurt Lamar for the MVP. That's why I voted
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: for Josh Allen.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: You had a vote, Yeah, okay, yeah. I would say
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: if Derek Henry got thirteen more yards, they don't win
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: because Mark Andrews dropped a two point conversion.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: They're very good when Derek Henry runs for more than
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: one hundred yards because they're winning the game. Right, So
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: Derek Henry.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: Said thirteen more yards wouldn't have been the difference in
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: the game. I don't know. If Mark Andrews doesn't fumble
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: and he doesn't drop a pass, I think we're looking
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: at an entirely different game, right. But you know, as
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: I like to say, if my aunt had balls, you'd
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: beat my uncle.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: John writes in referees have been horrible this year, and
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: I think it has to do with the ticki tack calls.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Every time they make a ticki tack call and then
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: miss an obvious call, it makes the fans feel like
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: they're being cheated. Calls have always been missed, but there
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: seem to have been more TICKI tack stuff this year.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Also draft to tackle with our first pick, not because
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: it's safe, but because they are harder to find. Right now,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: there are starting wide receiver one options in free agency.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not so sure about starting tackles option.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: And some people don't even think he's a one.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: T Higgins is. To me, he's a one, But some
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: people don't think he's a one. They think he wouldn't
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: be anywhere near what he is without Jamar Chase.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: No, I just you got to take the best available player,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: regardless of need, especially a four.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: I mean to reach on a guy myself into Abdul Carter.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, talk yourself into it.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: No, I mean being the guy won at four. Yeah.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm trying not to count the table guy.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: I'm not. I don't have a table to pound, but
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: we used to have a table. Now now we have this.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean I've been thereund the coffee turtle for
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 6: for a little while. Now I feel like since that
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: what conference is he in again? Big Ten Championship Game,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: the seventeen million conferences?
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's to me, is the best player they could
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 6: probably get at that spot. I just don't now it's
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 6: a that's stupid conversation to whether or not he's going
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: to be there.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: No, that's really but you know, you complain about the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: defense and the regression that it had. If you want
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: to play complimentary football, you got to get a rush.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: You got to get some type of pressure up front, right,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: and especially as a pass rusher.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's what you need. That's one of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: the big five positions. And to say that, well, we'll
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: just get by next year. You know, a couple of
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: you know, group efforts.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: Big five positions were guard, guard, long snap guard, gunner, gunner, yeah,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: vice vice guy, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, I think the nose
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: tackle quarterback.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: But I think this was in his those Browns notes
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: that go around this every year in the off season.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: Bill's Big Five. Mike says, I was being a sarcastic jerk.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: But how do you not watch like Jalen Carter and
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: not think like, yeah, we don't need a super disruptive
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: guy in the front seven who's going to impact the game.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: Almost so you have to find guys that scored the
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: touchdowns and prevent the touchdowns. And he used to talk
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: about the edge rushers in the corner on defense of
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: the two guys that are most important for preventing the touchdowns,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: you know, and he had.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: You know, but his thing about edge rushing and picking
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: guys that were exclusively pressure guys. He didn't like doing
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: that because he liked the versatility. But you had to
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: be like that elite.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for him, you had to be six four and
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: running four to six. But that's why eliminated your pool,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: right Draatically.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: That's why Abdul Carter's appealing is that he's a move
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: it around exposed different matchups. I mean, you can do
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff with him. He's played off the
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: ball a little bit. I mean you just look at him.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: He's he's electric. I mean, he just has that like
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: energy about him that you see. I know it's you know,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: he's not Michael Parsons, but you see the same kind
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: of just energy that he exerts on every play. It's
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: it's i mean, it's exciting.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Better than Chandler Jones.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Chandler.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: It's really intriguing to give him to Mike rabele To
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: as a former pass rusher himself, and like allow him
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 6: to because he's only played one year of edge. He
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: played off ball linebacker for Penn State before that, so
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: he's still pretty new to that position. So just the
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: idea of, you know, giving him to a coach like
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 6: Rabel that can help him kind of get to that
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: next step with his technique and things like that is
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: really enticing. And then he's also already doing this with
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: really not a lot of experience of that position.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: I was just to say, your thing, because you have
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: some contacts at Penn State. Also spoke highly of his.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: Character, correct, Yeah, yeah, I was just like a player.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: A fellow player just thinks the world of him from
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: a character standpoint and a desire standpoint, had a lot
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: of really nice things to say about him. We had
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: a thing last week that I wanted to get back
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: to because a lot of people I had a lot
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: of feedback on Twitter. Someone had written in about all
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: the guys they let go, Yeah grown guys. Yeah, you know,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: they got to stop letting all the homegrown guys go.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: And well I wanted to push back a little bit
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: because I had said, you know, I don't think there
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: were that many of them, and people like started bombarding
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: me with all these examples. I guess I should have
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: been a little bit more clear. I meant like currently
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: like Joe Tooney, to a lesser extent, Shack Mason. I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: would say those guys count, but I had, you know,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: Chandler Jones. It was ten years ago.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: He had homegrown stuff.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: And I'm not even talking about like whether or not
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: they were that they were you know, Richard Seymour, Logan Mankins,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, Chandler Jones. Somebody wrote Mike Haynes,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: which which I actually said, well done, sir. That was funny,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: you know, Like I wasn't necessarily talking ever, Yeah, I
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: just meant like in this sort of currency and these
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: you know, and and I do think there were there
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: was probably more than I've given credit for. I mean,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: I think certainly Tony stands at the top of the list,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: but Shaq Mason to Teddy Carris. Teddy Carris is a
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: guy that they could have held on to. I mean,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: you certainly wouldn't need all three of those guys, but
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: you know, some combination.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: Now, well, there are types of players.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: I just brought him now personally, but that's.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: I don't think you do. Like I think those are
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: the types of players that He's not a needle mover,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: but he's a solid NFL starting caliber guard and I
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: don't think they have two of those right now. So
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 6: you know, you have those types of players. I think
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: that's what Washington is doing. Like Washington didn't go out
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: in free agency and make these splash signings. They sign
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: guys like Ted Carriss who are just solid, well rounded
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: guys that came into that team and made their their
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: floor higher.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 6: It's yeah, I.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: Just wanted like just because I had a lot of
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: people and no one was really like, you know, like
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: snapping at me, right. They just would give me a
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: lot of examples. I saw that, and I was just like,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: this isn't really what I was talking about, Like you know,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: in in nineteen ninety seven, letting a guy go, you know,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: Curtis by Knes.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: We'll just go back like eight years, right, like two
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: draft cycles pretty much, I means.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: And I'm just talking about more, you know, like this
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: current regime, and certainly those those three offensive linemen would count,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: you know there, and there have been others that they've
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: they've like someone put j. C. Jackson on the list.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: I'm like, sorry, j C. Jackson's not a guy that
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: they should have been clamoring to re sign. I didn't.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: I just don't feel like it was as big an
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: issue as as others, but there were. I mean, I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: like those kinds of things that you get the feedback
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: from and you like it because you're pause to think, Sure.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break. My food's here when
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  Speaker 15: I don't want to add any pressure, but you're you
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 15: probably won't be, but you're here.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: You're here to save us, like the entire region. Like
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: are you aware?
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah? I think we're all aware of what? Okay? What are.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: We have high expectations and so do I.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: Yours aren't higher than mine.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 16: I I just on that note, like, you are a
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 16: guy obviously the Jets. I'm you were rumored with every
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 16: opening that you were going to potentially have an opportunity
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 16: to coach in the NFL for several teams. If you
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 16: could dial it, you know, to signify one thing why
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 16: you chose to come back and coach this Patriots team?
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: What would it be?
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 17: Well, I don't think there is just one, but I
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 17: just like I said, it just it's it's the right time,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 17: it's the right place, with the right people.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 15: Were you this team? WIGGI brought up money. This team
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 15: has over one hundred and thirty million dollars available salary
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 15: cap wise.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: He's always talking about money.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: That's what happens, he will make a lot when you play.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 15: I think that you know from the outside one K,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 15: I gotta wait till sixty five.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 18: If you need a tight end, you sixty five?
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, failing.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 15: If you're hiring Wiggy, you missed this probably, but Wiggy did.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 15: Was the head coach of the Brockton football team for
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 15: one year, trying.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: To get back to the kids.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: Just one season.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 15: The boxes, Yeah, the boxes, the boxes, just one year.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 15: But if you're hiring yeah, I mean, but were you
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 15: able to in your discussions with.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: Only for option routes? You doing you ain't coaching blocking?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: I mean he really blocks. Now withdys Let's be honest,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: what tight end?
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 15: Where were you able to get assurances from Robert during
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 15: your discussions when considering this job, that that you are
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 15: going to be able to spend that money.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I'm comfortable that you know that Elliot and I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 17: are going to be able to find ways to add
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 17: productive players, great people, uh to this football team. And
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 17: that's through the draft, that's through free agency. So I'm
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 17: confident that we'll be able to have the resources that
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 17: we need to to go sign players within within a limit.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 17: And we understand that free agency isn't the only answer.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 17: It's not one hundred percent, as you all know. But
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 17: it's about adding the right players and that we feel
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 17: like can help the team and that we're we're comfortable
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 17: with And sometimes if you don't know them, you also
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 17: don't know what you're going to get.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: Is this still a destination when it comes to free agents?
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean I think that we have to. We
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: have to make it a destination.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 17: And again, I'll tell you a story about free agency
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 17: when I got to.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: When I got to Houston, they had natural.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 17: Grass in the their dome and they would wheel it
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 17: out and they'd cut it into sections, and I'm like,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 17: this is unique, Like what's this And they are like, well,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 17: you know, we thought that they would the free agents
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 17: would want to play on natural grass. They said, the
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 17: only thing free agents care about is green and.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: It's not naturally. So there's two forms of free agency.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 17: It's the one is trying to go out and maximize
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 17: your earning potential and go for the top dollar. And
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 17: we see that early on in free agency, the first
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 17: couple of days, that maybe the first week. Then after
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 17: that I try to tell players it comes down to
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 17: opportunity and what's you know, if you'd want the best
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 17: opportunity to go and be able to produce and contribute,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 17: and then that's going to lead to then the next,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 17: you know, form of free agency where then you can
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 17: take advantage of the system in a year or two
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 17: or whatever, you sign with us. So you know, I
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 17: was one of those players that are coming from Pittsburgh
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 17: and sign in here.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: It was about the opportunity.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 17: It wasn't about the dollars that turned into being able
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 17: to have those types of contracts as as my.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: Career went on and a production increased and all those
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: other things.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 17: So we're going to identify players at all different levels
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 17: and and it's a process putting it all together.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 15: Maybe if you provide free books on the sidelines, you
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 15: might be able to get a certain wide receiver here.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: We'll see.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: But was he a big reader back when you guys
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: were together.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 17: I think Aj is just trying to find ways to
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 17: I'm proud of his development, his personal development and working
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 17: on himself and working on controling his and getting back
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 17: to center. And again, he's a passionate player and I
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 17: love him to death and I have a very very
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 17: close relationship with him.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 16: That book's like number one on bestsellers right now skyrocketed.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, good for him.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: He wants the audio book.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, voracious reader, you're talking about our audio book. Bill.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: We have a special guest on the line.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: Oh we do.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 16: Yeah, that Billy and the car that wanted to us.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: In the car.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 15: All right, well let's hire, let's go to them. Let's
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 15: let's go to Billy from Chestnut Hill.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 10: Hey, Billy, the first time caller.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: Longtime listener.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: It is Bill O'Brien.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 10: And pots let's go Patriots.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: You got any players up there? Yeah, Billy, we find
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: any players.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 10: Man, are you gonna Hey man, you gotta come come
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 10: to our pro day, come speak to our team. I
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 10: mean I've already put my DIBs in on that. So
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 10: uh now I'm I'm excited for Mike. I'm excited for
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 10: the Patriots, and uh it's gonna be awesome, no question.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: No question.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 17: They Boston College is in good hands. They have great
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 17: coaching staff, great leadership, got great facilities.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: They redid the facilion a couple of years ago. It's unbelievable.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: So Billy, I can't believe that.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 17: Uh I get to see you know, I can tell
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 17: you some stories about working for.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: Billy, Oh, so call him the teapot.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: The teapot.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: They'd go off, and then thirty seconds later he'd be like,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: what what's wrong with you guys? Why are you looking
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: at it?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 18: I'm like, Billy just cussed out every one of us
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 18: for thirty seconds, and now you're looking at us like
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 18: what's wrong? So the teapot would just boil over, and
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 18: then he was fine.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 15: Would you when when he and Tom went at it?
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 15: Would you go over and calm him both down?
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 18: He gave way to Tom like that was just Billy
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 18: trying to add tough on the TV.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 15: Well he did, I gotta tell you, I'm sure I
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 15: don't know if he saw the press conference yesterday, but
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 15: he Mike said a lot of nice things about you,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 15: and you lived up to the promise to turn him
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 15: into a head coach.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: So something to be proud of, Bill.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 10: No. I appreciated those comments. And you know, like I've
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 10: said several times this week that you know, Mike's a
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 10: great coach. He was a greatsssistant coach. He's been a
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 10: hell of a head coach and he's exactly what the
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 10: Patriots need. And uh, you know he'll come in there
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 10: and he'll treat every everybody in that building with great
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 10: respect and and and he'll be fair with every player,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 10: but he'll demand a lot and the standard of of
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 10: how they practice and how they lift weights, and how
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 10: they run and how they condition and obviously how they
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 10: play games and how they execute. You know, it'll be
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 10: way up there, Sore. Everybody in the region is excited,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 10: and uh, it's great for the Patriots and and uh,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 10: you know, great for like.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 15: Any advice for him on navigating the waters around here,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 15: any uh, any area, any offices he should stay out.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: Of, avoid bowling or probably the one I'm sitting in
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: right now, the media studio.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 15: Yeah, this is the one to stay out. Unfortunate, unfortunately
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 15: you're contractually required. Oh you haven't read my co All right,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 15: Bill O'Brien, we will. We'll talk to you again Thursday.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 15: But great to hear from you.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: You guys, you see.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: And now great moments in.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: History.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: I know everybody around here says the You know, the
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: Celtics love to make it hard on themselves, and you
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: know they're doing it again and they're blown opportunity with
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: like nothing to do with the other team, like forcing
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: eighteen turnovers, it's the Celtics even.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: That's what I was trying to tell you all these
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: years with the Patriots, when you would say the other
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: team's take, and I say, well, maybe the Patriots had
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: something to do with it. But now now you have
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: that take. Wait a minute, and I'm glad you've come around.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: Wait a minute, and I agree with your take on
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: the Patriots. And I always have no in games like
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: you and Andy and.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: Playoffs the Patriots.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: You know you're making two different arguments.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: The league does as happens.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: The league does suck by and large and teams give
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: games away. But you can't tell me they won six
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: super Bowls because the other team sucked. No, that's stupid.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: That's what you guys used to say.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: Never once that I had Super Bowl the other team sucked, I.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: Would I would give credit to the other team and
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: the Patriots having beaten that team. You would take away
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: from the Patriots by diminishing the other I would take
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: away again. Get it again.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: When when they get dominated by like the Cleveland Browns
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: and lose because Cleveland gives the ball away seventeen times. Like,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: that's different, right, because my Patriots had nothing to do.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: But you don't beat the like the Steelers and the
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: Colts and the Rams, all because the other team sucks. Sorry, yeah,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: the team doesn't suck.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: No, but they would say, teams come to me. That's
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: what teams They just pooped themselves.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: But I just don't know what to do well that
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: Celtics say. It's all about the Celtics sucking, not the
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: Golden State doing anything.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: That I agree with. And I also agree with the
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: other way too.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: A great clip from Matt. Right there, Fred was on
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: theory right there.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: You were just telling them and those sometimes the Patriots
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: made teams play like that.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: I just know what I said.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: Then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, they just
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  Speaker 4: po their pants. They didn't just poop their pants.
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  Speaker 6: The Patriots are great.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand you say I had good teams forced
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: the other team into bad decisions. We were a good
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: team that forced other teams into bad decisions.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: Decisions are bad play. Both the two different things. You
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: said something different. Oh, I don't care you like it.
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  Speaker 2: When your job back when you were as good as
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs, or your good job at Patriots. Other teams
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: sometimes do things that they don't normally do because they
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: have more pressure.
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  Speaker 4: They might make decisions that they don't know.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is, decision or execution, doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: Did make a decision to drop the ball on some No,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: but he might have that nervous that has nothing to
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: do with the opponent.
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  Speaker 2: You never know. You don't know what's in his head.
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  Speaker 4: That's pooping yourself. He didn't do that because they were
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, we're in Buffalo. I'm gonna tie the
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: game in Buffalo.
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  Speaker 2: It's called a chike crash exactly.
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  Speaker 6: Tomatoes at the bus on the.
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  Speaker 2: Way right, they're gonna you know what I'm talking about.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: He's a ball knower, right, balls, no ball.
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  Speaker 6: You had a basketball conversation without me.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: That's pre I think that pre dated.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: When Alex was Man's waining basketball to somebody upset about that.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: A five five past five hundred is the tpx Hutline
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the email address. Let's
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: get back to the phones. Uh, Brandy is in Providence.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: Hey Brandy, Hey.
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  Speaker 19: So I had called when you guys were talking about
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 19: the Lions and how to build a team through the draft,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 19: and I uh was thinking you know, watching the Lions
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 19: and Commander's game, the Commander's kind of the antimthesis of
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 19: building up through the draft for five years, not one
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 19: first round pick still on the team. It kind of
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 19: showed to me the importance of having the quarterback because
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 19: Gosh clearly is not the guy. He wasn't the guy
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 19: in la that's he's not the guy in Detroit. But
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 19: Jaden Daniels might be the guy, and he kind of
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 19: overshadows five years of draft utility. Just absolutely with.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but you said, talk about first round picks, did
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  Speaker 2: they have guys on the other rounds?
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  Speaker 4: Lawrence contributed Lauren is one of the best players in
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: the league. Also the third round pick.
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  Speaker 6: There are defensive linemen. We're all first round picks. Darron Payne. Uh,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 6: there's the other Alabama kid that plays on the defensive line.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 6: Those two guys are both first round picks.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's kind of hard to say they don't
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: have any of their own first round picks when jad
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: and Daniels is, you know, as valuable as any player
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: in the league right now.
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  Speaker 3: I think they had a good mix of free agents,
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  Speaker 3: but I mean, I think you've got to be interested
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  Speaker 3: to see next year how it builds. I mean, Jade
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: Daniel's being a rookie, he'll probably take a step forward
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: and you'll have your left tackle will probably develop. But
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: you know, are you still getting the same return on
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: Bobby Wager.
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  Speaker 4: They need to address the offensive line because I don't
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: think it's very good and I don't think that kids
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: will left tackle. They've gotten by I think because of
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: jayde and Daniels Kingsbury.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, sounds like he's going to stay in Washington for
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 6: another year. I think he's kind of waiting for the
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 6: right opportunity to you know, second and final chance here.
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  Speaker 4: Plus they're still alive, so it's hard for teams to
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  Speaker 4: get at them.
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  Speaker 2: Patty's in Patty, Hey, good afternoon, everyone, Hey, good afternoon.
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  Speaker 12: So watching this Washington team this past week, I don't
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 12: know if any of you guys got this, and that
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 12: might be crazy, but I kind of I kind of
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 12: get two thousand and one Patriots vibes with them, not
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 12: in the style that they play, but just the fact that,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 12: like you guys went over last week, like all the
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 12: roster turnover they had from last year to this. I
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 12: think Evan you said fourteen new starters young quarterback. You know,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 12: when the playoffs started, they're like both of the pundits
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 12: are like, yeah, they're a nice story, and now they're
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 12: on the doorstep of the super Bowl. Just wanted to
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 12: get your guys input on that, and that's really.
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  Speaker 20: All I got.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nice, Patty.
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  Speaker 4: I think we talked about we had their conversation last week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a lot of comparisons between the
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: two thousand and Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised that Rabel, not because of Washington,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: but Rabel looks at that kind of a pattern and says,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: we need some of those kinds of guys, maybe not
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: twenty like the two thousand and.
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  Speaker 3: One Patriots, but like a cultural kick in the.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: Pit, half a half dozen Bobby Wagner type guys that
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: you can bring in and get some professionalism in a line.
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  Speaker 6: I just think, especially like positions on the offensive line,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 6: like if you can just get serviceable they don't even
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: have serviceable. Like, if you can just get certain spots
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: to serviceable, it makes your job so much easier.
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  Speaker 2: And he needs to bring back guy, bring in guys
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: and say follow his example, do what he does. Right now,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know who those people are. You know, David
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: Andrews is one, but we don't know if he's going
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: to be back. They need more of those guys.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a great point. It's just saying we
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: don't know, Like I don't know right now. Can you
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: count on and when you were duggle right now as
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: leaders who are gonna come back and really set the tone,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: try to bounce back. I don't know.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: If you do what he does, you'll be all right.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: Christian in La, what's up Christian.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 21: Today?
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: Hey? So so uh?
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  Speaker 22: I wanted to play a quick game with you guys
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 22: called one pick Away.
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  Speaker 2: One pick away over the.
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  Speaker 22: Last five seasons, if you guys could pick one player
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 22: where the pick either before or the pick after you
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  Speaker 22: believe would have impacted our team positively.
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  Speaker 4: Do you have them?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 21: I just don't have them going over them now.
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  Speaker 4: I can't tell you off the top of I think
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  Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson, Yeah right? Was that a pick ahead of
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: the picture?
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  Speaker 3: How far away was McDuffie.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know McDuffie. They the original pick, they traded
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: behind him.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Justin Jefferson was the pick before, because
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: then they traded out of the pick and moved back,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 6: and they ended up taking Kyle Duggar, who went before mack.
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  Speaker 3: Uh Parsons was a future.
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  Speaker 6: Elijah Vera Tucker. I want to say who they were.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if that was the pick before or
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  Speaker 6: two picks after maybe, but they were high apparently on
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 6: Vera Tucker. Him and Parsons were like the two guys
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  Speaker 6: in that draft that if they had made it to
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 6: fifteen maybe would have led to not picking a quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: You know, did Brandon Coleman get taken one pick ahead
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: of Kayden Wallace? He did? Is that one of those?
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  Speaker 4: But again hard to know if he I don't think
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: Coleman's all that, but he's, as Evan said, he's been
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: serviceable and that's where they need to get to.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Christian. I mean, could you see a world where
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: Parsons did fall, they take him, and then they take
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy and we'd be in the playoffs this week,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: this year?
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  Speaker 6: J J McCarthy Not J.
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  Speaker 2: Why do I always Caldon No? No, the quarterback in Minnesota,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, No, the one that got hurt.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So how are we getting him?
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: What?
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: Because he would have come he would have been available
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: if we had moved you know, if we had moved down,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: if we had traded down. Okay, Michael Parsons, he falls, if.
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  Speaker 6: He fell into twenty one.
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  Speaker 4: One this way, I was like, couldn't understand how we
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: were getting trade back?
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I love it.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: It was just yes, sign me up for Micah Parsons.
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  Speaker 6: It was just a rumor. But the rumor was at
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 6: the time in twenty one for understandable reasons. Bill had
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 6: in infatuation with Micah Parsons, and if he had been
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 6: there at fifteen, they would have taken him over mac Jones.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 6: But that would and then you take McCarthy later. Well,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 6: I mean it's four years later.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand the correlation, but yes, I'd be all
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: for that.
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  Speaker 6: I would have taken Bonix. No, I'm just kidding, you
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 6: would not have taken.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: No, I mean J J. McCary. I like Drake May
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: more than McCarthy, but who knows, I don't know. See,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: all right, Drake May.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Boston Cream. What's up guy? What's up
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: Boston Cream? Hey?
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: Fred?
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  Speaker 20: First off, just wanted to offer an apology for calling
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 20: you Jelly.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: Next Jelly. If I don't think you're ready.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 20: Last week I said you were made of jelly.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 20: If you guys could change any rule in the NFL,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 20: which kind of rule would you change? I think lately
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 20: I've been kind of getting a little pissed off about
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 20: the fact that you just can't hit quarterbacks in this
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 20: day and age, and that they're kind of protected like
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 20: soccer players, and that's kind of allowing for more offensive
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 20: football than defensive football. What do you guys think?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think there's got to be
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: review on every play. Every play needs to be reviewable. No,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: you don't get extra you know, challenges everything that can
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: remain the same, but you have the ability to review
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: everything so that if you think there's helmet to helmet
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: and it turns out there's not, then it's not roughing.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 6: I'm with you on that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't I don't mind it if you want to
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: do it that way. I don't think that would solve
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  Speaker 4: much because I think you'd have the same arguments when
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: you watch the replays like you do when they put
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: the experts up and one guy watches a play and says,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: I didn't have a penalty on that. Another guy watches
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: the play and says I did have a penalty on that.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that that happens, it does happen. But I
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: think having review is better than not having it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just think that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: I don't the quarterback thing. I just think that they
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: need to start They need to to lessen the protection
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: when the quarterback becomes a runner. That's my only thing.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: Like I don't think that they protect the quarterback too much,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: like in general, I mean a little bit, but the
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: ones like if you're gonna let these guys be weapons
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: like this, you have to let them get hit.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, especially with the my mahomes when it was
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: like actually I'm gonna slide right now, and you know
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: like that that can't win the fake slides. I meant.
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  Speaker 6: There was one in the I think it's the Washington
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: game where they it was a read option and the
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: defender smoked Jayden Daniels but he handed it off.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 6: Called the unnecessary roughness or you know, personal foul, and
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: I was like, well, how do you know he's not
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 6: keeping the ball.
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  Speaker 4: I thought that was a good call though, I thought
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: that wasn't unnecessary roughness. But I know what your point
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: is if you're carrying out the fake and you just
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: get tackled, right, I don't think they would have called it.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: That was it. I think you got called for the
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: hit itself.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah. But like my point is is just like if
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: they're gonna be that, they're gonna run these types of plays,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: then like the quarterback has to be fair game to
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 6: an extent because that's how these defenses are designed to
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 6: stop it. But like you have the quarterback, you have
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 6: the running back, and that's how you're able to kind
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: of play team defense against those types of plays.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I know, I know it seems a little simplistic,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: but if if there was some kind of rule where
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: if you go in for the tackle and your arms
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: are down by your side, you're going in for a
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: hit and not a tackle, So you could, in other words,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: you can never be called for a penalty if your
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: arms are out trying to make a tackle, like even
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: if you make.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: Ironically enough, they outlawed that even hip drop. What do
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: you mean when you put your arms around a guy
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: and you drop your weight.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: But that's different. But if you're if you're going to
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: wrap up guy and you're tempting to make a tackle
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: with your you know, with your arms in your hands,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: you're excluded from ever being called helmet to helmet. But
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: if your arms are down by your side, you're opening
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: your up yourself up to a helmet to helmet.
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  Speaker 4: I don't hate it.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit like in USA hockey. They're
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: trying to do it where when you deliver a hit,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: your stick has to be on the ice. So if
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: you're delivering a hit where your stick is up, they're
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: gonna call you for a rough potentially, Whereas if your
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: stick's on the ice you're playing the puck. You know,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: you're just trying to separate the puck carrier from the puck.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: It's a good hit. Some of the similar.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: Awareness, to me, they need and it's not about spot
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: foul or any of that. I think that's right, but
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: I just think there are too many I know it's
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: a highly subjective call, but there are too many different opinions, like, yeah,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: there's so much hand fighting that goes on that gets called,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: and the consistent hit before the ball gets there doesn't
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: get called, right, And I think one completely eliminates a
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: chance of making a catch and the other doesn't. But
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: the one that doesn't eliminate the catch gets called that
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: that turnavious White call on someday that was a bad call.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: Like there's just two guys that are like the jockeying
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: with each other and pushing each other. You can make
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: an argument that Keon Coleman should have gotten called for
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: offensive interference. I don't think it was that either.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know, I don't remember which game
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: it was, was one of the night games, but the
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: offensive line, the ends were, you know, the linemen were
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: consistently lining off the line and they weren't calling it.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Probably probably Kansas City called.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: You know, he got called twice I think in the game,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: did he.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: Taylor?
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I wonder too. And you're seeing it
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 6: more and more with all the r p O and
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 6: all that influence, like the illegal men downfield penalties are
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 6: starting to become Really I was going.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: To say that because like I never insarily who cares
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: just run down field? But somebody explained to me like
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: kind of the reasoning, Yeah, for that.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 6: It's really critical. And then in the college game, the
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 6: rule is a lot more lenient, and so now you
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 6: have these linemen on RPOs that are like already five
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 6: six yards down the field and it's it's ridiculous. It
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 6: makes it really hard to.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: Stop the one it took away a big game and
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: it was legit call like the guy was like eight
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: yards down field blocking before the ball was even thrown.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: I forget which game it was. I think that's a
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: good rule.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: It's a really good Well that's illegal contact right, well, no,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: that's defensive side. Yeah, I get, but I understand the
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: reason for the rule, but it is sometimes it's like
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: I can't help it. You know, like you said, it's
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: an RPO and there's so much time.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 5: I laugh.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, you've got a quarterback that's running around.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 21: You know.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: They definitely, I I mean it feels to me anyway.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: I shouldn't say definitely, but it feels to me this
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: year that they were really strict with that, and I
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: think they called a lot of really tiki tak ones
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: where like the backside tackle might be like a yard
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: and a half dound field old forty yards away from
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: the ball, and they're calling the legal man downfield like
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: those are the ones. I but like there was a
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: screen I want maybe it was the Eagles game. The
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: guy was downfield like, you know, eight or ten yards
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: downfield lining up a block as the as the kid
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: is catching the screen, Like, how do you defend that
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: You're already getting blocked.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: Now, right? But I think everything should be reviewable.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 6: I'm with you on that.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: I just think if you can eliminate the obvious world.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: But I hear what parlimin play. I mean, I hear
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: what Paul's saying about you.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: You're putting it into the hands of the people you
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: think are incompetent.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I don't trust their their opinions when they
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: look back at it.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: You just don't like anybody.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 6: I just really like that. In some of the Spring
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 6: leagues have done this with the review and they're they're
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 6: sort of doing it now, but like, just like the
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 6: Sky Judge, it's just like, yeah, if you can make
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 6: a decision within ten seconds, then you can change a call.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 6: But we're not here to break it down.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: To that a little bit more.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's that's been a good, good move. Yeah.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: The other thing that I think is very underrated. The
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: spotting of the ball is atrocious, and for most of
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: the game, no one ever really cares, right, But there's
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: been so many times where a guy had a first
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: down and they mark him like a half yard short,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden you look up two
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: plays later they're punting because they didn't get that first down.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know, there's got to be a better way
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: to mark the ball than chips.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: Well, the problem with the lasers is is too many
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: bodies in the.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: Way, right, Yeah, I don't think those those are easy solutions,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: but you got.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 6: To be able to put a chip in the ball.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: There in the ball, but where the ball is doesn't
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: necessarily always mean that's where it should be spotted.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: It's where he's down.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 6: Right, right, Well, that's yeah, I mean, I look, I'm
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 6: not an elbows. Yeah, there's got to be a way
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 6: that they can figure out.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: A way. I was telling to this was there was
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: one in the Baltimore game Baltimore Buffalo. It was in
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: the first half, and the guy caught a pass and
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: he was a good half a yard short of the
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: first down, right, and the guys running in from the
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: sideline marking the ball a half a yard short of
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: the first down. But he's given this sign to the
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: sticks like he's got the first down. I'm like, maybe
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: the sticks on the side that we could see weren't
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: the official ones, and maybe on the other side it was.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: But we've been at a million NFL games. They're not
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: really off. They're usually in the same spots.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: I like it.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: I like it when you see the ref running in
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: and he's like.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 6: No, ten million dollar team industry and we're just like,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 6: we have chain.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: Games maybe and maybe we can have a base sis
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: and I vevall tazed, like so the chain gang, to
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: me is where you can put the lasers. Like, why
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: do we have two sticks that are connected by a chain.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: Why not just have it be a laser sticks.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: Imagine that two sticks connected by a chain.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: Right that that would seem to be this should be
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: should be technology that you don't need anything that's connecting
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: those two things. Like you have a you know, a
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: laser focused ten yards exactly ten yards.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: You know, three sixty year old guys that have been
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: there forever out of a job.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: That's a great point.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 6: Once a week, and.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: Those guys would die if.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: They like a high school game right now.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: No, they asked one time at a game, I felt
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: too much pressure. I didn't I didn't volunteer.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: Do we have someone coming? I know? But you know, oh,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: I would screw that up. It could be hard, dangerous.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've I've done it, Like I used to do
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: them a lot for games when my father was running,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: Like Pop warned football, you know, I need you and
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: your friend, well I need you know, like I get
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: stuck killed them. But you just never want to do
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: it when your kids playing.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's all.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I used to say no when they
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: asked me, like, no, I want to watch my son play.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: And you don't want to be on the sidelines of
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: those games. Like here, all kinds of stuff.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: Somebody talking some crap, Paul, call time out, Call time out.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you're doing out there.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: I'm with my buddy. I'm like, I don't know what
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: he's doing. I mean, he was just running the ball here.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: What do we do kids?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: Bike?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 6: Kid?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: So, would you have scholarships in your school.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: For my clock management school?
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: Clock Management?
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, if there were kids in the inner city
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: that maybe don't have the opportunities, Fred, I would be
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: definitely willing to.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: I'm feeling this would be an We'll have an ad
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: for Fred's gambling book, and then we'll have an ad
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: for for your school. Hello, are you wondering how to
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: manage at a football game, will come to me Paul Parillo,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: the School of clock Management.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: Why does he have to make it sound like a
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: half a moro right.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: On a TV? You know, let's be commercial.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: He sounds like more.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 6: Man, I heard a little.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: I heard a little hint.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: Paul's commercial would be more. He'd give like two examples
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: of like just idiot calls. You don't want to be
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: this person. That's why you want to come to the
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: school clock man.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: Like me get like an Andy Reid testimonial. I had
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: no idea what I was doing until I went to school.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: We could do some good commercials that would be good.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't be wearing that hoodie. I can tell you
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: that much. William and philam third, try what's up?
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 21: What's up? Hey?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: What's going on here?
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 21: I had on mute by mistake. I'm sorry, Okay, that's
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 21: why I got That's why we got to disconnected at.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: That point, so you'll hang up and listen it through.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 21: But I kept trying it so I got through.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: All right, what do you got? How everybody doing good?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 21: Good?
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: Yep, everything's good?
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 21: All right, that's what's up? I had three questions for Evan.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 21: So one is what do you think of the war
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 21: receiver from Ohio State? His name was Smith.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: I think Jerry Smith. I like Jerry Smith.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 6: He's a true freshman.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: I don't know Jerry, I don't know.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: He might be the best player in the country.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: He's a true freshman. He's seventeen. Right, Why don't you
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 6: call back in twenty twenty seven and we'll talk about it.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 21: You got, you got? Yeah? The other two pressures, what
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 21: is your issue with with Will Johnson? And three? Can
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 21: you give me an idea of what free agency would
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 21: look like for their facers, Like who you think they
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 21: might get, you know, to come in and whatnot? And
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 21: I'll leave it at day.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 6: Right, Thanks Willem Will Johnson. At three, I mean, look,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 6: I I sort of subscribed to talent at any he
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 6: plays corner. I just I think the one thing they
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 6: have right now is a good corner. Now, two good
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 6: corners sounds fun, but it just I think you can
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 6: spread your resources out a little bit better than that.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: And take a corner free agency classes.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, I don't know, It's just that's just more
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 6: of a positional thing, if you really if they grade
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 6: him out and he's the best player by a landslide
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 6: that's on the board at four. I'm not saying don't
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 6: pick him. I just I don't know. I just that's
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 6: just a position conversation. And and free agency. I think
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 6: the biggest thing with free agency is we got to
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 6: see who's available in free agency. Like I'm not ready.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 6: I know a lot of people are Ron me stan
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 6: Lee and t Higgins and all these other names that
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 6: could be out there. Josh Sweat, Like, let's see, like
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 6: a lot of time we get to free agency and
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 6: half these dudes have been tagged or whatever, and I'm
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 6: just not I'm not one hundred percent sold it. Everybody's
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 6: going to hit the market, So let's see what happens
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 6: in March.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: I like Trey Greenlaw. I like Trey green Law. He
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: gets it. I think that Alerc Jackson two from the Rams,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: but franchise maybe, I mean that's like.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of these guys, Clerk Jackson, like those
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: are the types of guys that I would look for
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 6: them to add in this. You know, keep talking about
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 6: the Commanders and the O one Patriots and things like that,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: Like one like those are one of those guys, you know,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: and Alerc Jackson, you know, just Milton Williams, like guys
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 6: that play the defensive line that are just really good
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 6: defensive linemen but aren't necessarily stars. Like I think they
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 6: could do a lot with one hundred and thirty million
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 6: dollars to get a lot of those guys.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: Read something about green Law that I think someone on
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: Twitter today suggested that he probably will sign a one
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: year deal to stay in San Francisco. Yeaheah, because get
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: healthy and get back on hell and then have a
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: chance to earn something.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exact spond and Philly is an awesome player, Like
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 6: is he going to get tagged like some sort of
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 6: transition franchise whatever. I don't know, but he's a stud.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: But I got a question though, I mean special teams
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: guy signs a one year deal, low money with them,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: He's playing in front of the best defensive line in
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: the league. Does that give you any cause for concern
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: with him? Like, out of nowhere comes in on this one.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: I'm doing my studies.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: That's good.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: I don't know, because, like I really liked him coming
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: out and he's one of those guys that can play
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 6: on and off the line of scrimmage and he had
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 6: that versatility and is it that definitely could be a factor.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 6: But like Vic Fangio is such a good coach, I
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 6: just wonder if maybe somebody's finally figured him out, you know, like.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: A different position, but kind of like Vrabel. Yeah, like
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: when he was in Pittsburgh, he was like a situational guy,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: special teamer. Yeah, I mean plays the edge and Bond's
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: more of a one and fifty tackles some crazy like.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 6: They just like keep on. I just remember early on
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: and it was New Orleans, right, I think that drafted him,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: and I just remember early on in his career he
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 6: couldn't figure him out, like is he an off the
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 6: line guy? Is he an edge rusher? And they kept
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 6: on bouncing him back and forth. And I just wonder
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 6: if maybe Fangio is finally like the guy that was
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 6: able to figure him.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: But I would have pause with that front. Yeah right,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: I mean you're right about that. It's kind of like
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: watching kind of like the DALYs Thomas.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 6: Just watching them covers.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: No, he can run like a win. I mean he's fascinating.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: I just thought, you know, as you go through these things,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: that's you know, it's an anomaly where he signed a
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: one year deal for like nothing with.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: He had one series in the game where he just
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: took the game, like three plays in a row. He
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: was like really really involved in all three plays and
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: he does. He has like a lot of athleticism and
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: in the instincts. He had a great year like that
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: for a guy that didn't play that much. I don't know. Defense, Yeah,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: isn't all.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: Proh Pascal says about things he changed. I hate the
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: automatic first down penalty, third and thirty, defensive holding five
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: yard penalty. Automatic first down kills me every time I
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: agree with that. Me too with that one.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: I think that if if it's if, I don't disagree
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: with automatic first downs, but I do think those situations
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: it shouldn't be an automatic, like it should have to
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: be a personal follow to be an automatic.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the problem is it. The problem with that
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: and the reason why they do automatic first down in
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: my opinion is if it's third and thirty, I'm coaching
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: any doubt, just foul them, just you know, make them
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: do the play over. And it's bad for the game.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: It doesn't help you.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: It does, it gives them another down, but it's still
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: third down. So at least, I'm not giving up a
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: big play, you know what I mean.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: No, but it's like a five yard penalty defense. But
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: those those past interference, it's past in apperence, right, that's
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: taking away a big play.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: Defensive holding in the backfield could also take away a
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: big play. So I'm telling my guys. I'm telling my guys,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: don't get bet hold if you have to. I don't
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: care if it, but if it's a first down, then
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: I can't coach that way, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: So they may just don't think that anybody is telling
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: you on third and thirties.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: They would. They would if it was only if it
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: was only a five or ten yard rather than give
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: up a big play.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: I understand frustrated, that's why they do it. I think
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: that only personal follow should be automatic first downs. Yeah,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: not five years.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, they would coach differently, and it wouldn't
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: be good for the game. You'd hate it. You'd have
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: these teams doing two and three penalties and I downspan.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: I don't think you would coach differently. I don't think
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: you would ever want to commit penalties on third round.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: You don't want to give a big plays either when
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: in doubt.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, those plays aren't big plays. Downfield pass interference.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: I agree, That's why I like the big plays. If
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: you like you're about to get beat, you hold the guy,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: you tug its jersey. You know.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: I just don't think that would be a tactic. I
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: don't think you would say just hold them. If you say,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: cover them.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: In a crucial in a crucial time in the game,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: I think coaches would say that.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: I think they don't think they'd be any more apt
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: to say that if it's a first down.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: Or not, well, we'll have to change the rule and
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: we'll find out.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they never changed the rules.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: Let's see Ben and Brooklyn says on an interception, roughing
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: the passer should still be a fifteen yard penalty, but
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: the possession should change.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: I disagree. Yeah, a lot of roughing the passers cause interceptions.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, now.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: You want to do your reviewable thing. Roughing the passer
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: should be reviewable.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 6: Okay, I think it's going to be.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: I know they've been talking about it. You know, you
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: and Evan want everything reviewable. That's one that needs to
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: be reviewed.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: The rule for the defense.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 6: Wow, that seems like that's happening. Yeah, there's some things
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 6: that have been floated out there for this year's like
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 6: league meetings and stuff that probably aren't going to get through.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 6: But that one sounds like.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 4: This isn't a good year for it because they missed
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: so many blatant face mask penalties. I feel like there
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: was at least there's at least like a half dozen missed.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: That's also I think they should be much more lenient
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: with face masks, like if you've got to crab it
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: and rip it. Yeah, those are the the ones that
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: they missed this year, like borrow, had it happened, darnold,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: had it happen. There was some blatant like turn the
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 4: whole head, and they didn't call it. Those aren't the
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 4: ones I'm talking about, Like when you like grays a
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: face mask, that's not always face mask to me, and
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  Speaker 4: I think they get called a lot.
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  Speaker 2: David and Wisconsin will get to the end of the show,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: so it's always time for some Jaws talk. He says
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  Speaker 2: they went down a rabbit hole of the deleted scenes
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  Speaker 2: from Jaws. I remember as a kid in the eighties
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  Speaker 2: watching it on TV, and there was a scene of
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  Speaker 2: Quint going to a music store to buy something that
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  Speaker 2: would choke the fish. I couldn't hear what Quint purchased
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  Speaker 2: until I found the clip online and it was a
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  Speaker 2: piano line number twelve. It chokes the fish, he tells
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  Speaker 2: the cashier.
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  Speaker 4: Piano Wireeah, don't be telling me my business again.
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  Speaker 6: Why it doesn't hold up?
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  Speaker 2: I then saw there were photos of the beast with
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: his jaws open to chomp down Alice Kinner and his raft.
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  Speaker 2: The scene was shot with the shark visible, but any
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  Speaker 2: signs of the shark from the scene were removed from
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  Speaker 2: the final cut. Maybe you, gentlemen, knew that existed already.
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  Speaker 6: I did, actually, I texted that I see the shark
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  Speaker 6: in the movie. I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they did show it, Evan, it was too violent
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  Speaker 3: for people like you didn't like it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it was getting chopped and.
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  Speaker 6: Has It looked like.
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  Speaker 3: There's a good picture though, online of when they were
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  Speaker 3: shooting it where Alice Kittner's like on the raft and
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: you see the shark like coming out and like cut
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  Speaker 3: them in half. But I guess kids were getting scared
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  Speaker 3: or something.
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  Speaker 6: No, I think I just I'm gonna keep watch it again.
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  Speaker 4: By to this piano wire, you don't be telling me
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: my business again.
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember the other scene though, Do you remember
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  Speaker 3: that one? I don't remember him going into a record
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: store of looking at it was a deleted scene, he said,
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  Speaker 3: I don't. Yeah, but I should be aware of these things, Paul,
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  Speaker 3: I've gone down.
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  Speaker 4: I have not watched the deleted scenes on a Facebook.
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  Speaker 4: What kind of I guess. I guess I'm not even
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: though I just keep it. What is up with that
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: camera angle?
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  Speaker 2: What would they do? Nobody knows what you're talking about?
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: So on my show, I know, but nobody knows what
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: you're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: Tough angle.
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  Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna be it for this edition of
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  Speaker 2: Three Minutes Left.
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  Speaker 4: I got things, we got more jaws talk.
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  Speaker 2: All right. We'll be back Thursday, so we're.
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  Speaker 4: Gonna have to hurry. Picks.
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  Speaker 2: I know you got a lot of picks, right two.
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  Speaker 4: So first time since you've been doing your folks, this
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  Speaker 4: is your lock of the week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, push push Wow, push of the week.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay, I did not No, you did not know Mike.
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  Speaker 4: Mike's gonna win the postseason contest.
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  Speaker 6: I picked.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, postseason. I start to get very.
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  Speaker 4: The refs I can deal with. That's that's, that's valid.
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