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Episode 126: The Spookiest Moments from The Clone Wars · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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It's most things, Kenobi. We always have the high ground.
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Hi everyone. Welcome to another episode of
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Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all
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things Star Wars. I'm your host, Lauren, And I'm
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your host, Leanne. And you might have noticed we
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missed last week. Yes, but I have a voice so it
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all worked out. Yeah, poor Leanne.
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Was she caught? When you think it was COVID or
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just a cold, Oh no, definitely just a cold.
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Well, the voice thing. So if anyone was following
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Twitter, they would have seen that I was at Galaxy's Edge and
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many other theme parks for my birthday.
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Thank you to everyone who had such kind things to say and send
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and and they said everyone saw I met Ahsoka quote, UN quote and
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all this stuff. So because of the several days
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of theme parks and screaming and haunted houses, 'cause it was,
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you know, Halloween horror nights at Universal and all this
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stuff, I lost my voice and then I got sick, which made it even
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worse. So I'm back.
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I'm better and I'm sorry. I'm still a little squeaky
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though. If you hear it, I I'm.
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There's a little squeak to it, but that's fine.
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I actually do too. I kind of had a bit of a
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scratchy throat this morning, so we'll just sound like scratchy.
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Those old geezers who are in the the The Muppets balcony, What
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are they called again? I don't know, but they're us.
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It's good to be back though, squeaky or not so.
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Well, we're going to still stick with our subject, even though
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we're a little bit high, but the spooky season can continue.
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I know everyone's ready for Christmas now, but we haven't.
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We haven't even got to Thanksgiving yet.
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So yes, yes, Mariah Carey has thawed.
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She is ready to emerge for the next Christmas season.
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It's November. So she has.
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She has risen. But guess what we're going to
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talk about? Sorry, we're going to talk about
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spooky shit because that's what we were going to talk about.
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I still want to talk about it because when we put, you know,
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you put together this list, but it's there's some spooky shit in
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the Clone Wars. You.
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Know there's some disturbing stuff too.
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I love it. That image you put on our
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Instagram was terrifying. Wasn't it?
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That was horrible. I just typed in Zombies, Clone
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Wars, and a ton of really. Gross stuff, puffed up.
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So I saw that and I did not like the post.
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Or maybe I did, but I didn't want to.
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It scared me. I'm terrible at this stuff.
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I found out that I am the worst haunted house person ever.
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I don't like being scared. I really don't.
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I can't. I tried like.
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I tried to watch spooky movies. I can't do it like I I watched
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like. Blackbeard's ghost.
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That's My level. That is like an old Disney movie
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from the 60s. Those are really fucking weird
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though. It's very gentle, but it is
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weird. It's not like the older the
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material, the weirder it is. You know what I mean?
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Like, that's true. Like by now they developed a
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formula. They're politically correct.
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They're, you know, diversity oriented.
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They're they're, they've got a formula.
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But back then it was kind of like.
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It was what the hell? Yeah, yeah, it definitely was
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weird. So yeah, so let's do Clone Wars
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spooky instead. Because that's like, that's like
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our level of this is creepy that we can stomach this is our
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tolerance level. But.
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There's a child's cartoon. Yeah.
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Yeah. Not a kid Animation, right.
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Animation. Yeah, we called it in.
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Oh, my God. Thank you to everyone who
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enjoyed my mother's episode as well.
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Still getting rave reviews and she's very humbly thankful and
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appreciative of all the kind things that were said She she
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was so scared to hear. I hope people like me, I was
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like, you're just being yourself and everyone loves you already
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anyway, so. Yeah, she is fun.
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I thought that was I enjoyed. I kind of like just sat back and
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enjoyed your dynamic with each other.
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It was oh, it's ridiculous. Oh, it's a good time.
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So anyway, we're going to go through these season by season,
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just one or two from each season, correct?
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Yeah. So I kind of just went through
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all the episodes and pulled out anything that was kind of
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Halloweeny in a sense, where it was like creepy or had zombies
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or witches or whatever. Well, the first one on this
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list, I completely forgot this existed and he is freaking
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weird. Yeah, assuming this is what you
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meant. On the list, we have season one,
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the Lair of Grievous. And are you referring to his pet
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Gore? Well, that, but also the whole
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episode was. Really creepy.
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Oh yeah. There's a lot of slicing and
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dicing in that episode, if I recall correctly.
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He has statues of his former self and like his his
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progression into Android. And then there's like.
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His body parts, so they're metallic but like hanging from
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the ceiling, and it's just really, really spooky.
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I remember being kind of like, Oh my God.
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But the first time I watched it, I was like, not what I was
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expecting. Well, the thing when I thought
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of this episode, yes, the whole thing is, I mean, it's Grievous.
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It's the lair of Grievous, you know.
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But does everyone remember his pet named Gore?
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Yeah, who literally looks like a dinosaur with like a Viking mask
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helmet thing. He's got spider tentacles coming
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out of his back and like a Trident spear tail.
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What a lovely pet it was. A rogue wart is the is the the
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species I guess, but he was kind of put together piece meal and
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created in a way is fucking weird.
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EW. Kind of like Grievous, Yeah,
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exactly. And I'm.
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I'm like, how arrogant do you have to be to be like, you know
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what, I'm going to create another that's just like me,
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only more. Hideous.
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Seriously. Oh yeah, I forgot about this
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thing. Honestly, he's a creature from
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some sort of depth of hell, yeah.
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And of course I feel bad for him because freaking Kit Fisto kills
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him, I think, right? Somebody kills him and and
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Fisto. Does die?
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Yeah. Doesn't he have a little Droid
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servant also who like, puts him back together?
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I believe so, yeah. Yeah, he has a medical Droid to
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enhance. Yeah, and like Grievous to
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repair Grievous. And he's like conscious while
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they're Yeah, they're. I just remember like a scene of
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him, kind of like. It's not a medical table.
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It's like a chair. And like his Droid is
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reassembling him. I was just.
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It was. It's weird.
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It's fucking weird. And that's season one.
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Like, they came out of the gates.
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Just, I forget that. Like season one is such a
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mismatch of stuff in Clone Wars. It is who who introduces Kit
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Fisto. In like season one he would be
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in my opinion he would save these secondary and 3rd, 4th
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level Jedi for like later in the series because like.
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Well, maybe because they it was more like filler, I guess at the
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beginning. Maybe they, I don't know.
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George Lucas always seems to know where he's going.
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I guess he knows where he's going, even if we don't with his
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stories. But like, I do feel like season
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one has more random shit in it than other seasons that that I
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can agree with. It's just kind of mish
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mismatched. It's it's where I look.
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I know a lot of people don't like season one.
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I like season one, 'cause it's a mess and it's like I can get
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with it. There are.
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There are gems in there. Honestly, there are.
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There really are. And Gore is not one of them.
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But this whole episode, you and I love Grievous 'cause he's like
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our spirit animal. Yeah, he's as irritable as we
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are most of the time. We understand where he's coming
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from, that's all. And we both have layers.
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They're way nicer, and we don't have animals like gore in them.
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But I don't have any limbs hanging from my ceiling.
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But if I did, it would be either Bucky Barnes arm or Anakin
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Skywalker's arm. I just can't seem to get my
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hands on any I've. Never seen, even given it, a
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thought of what limb I would have on my wall.
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Those are my 2 limbs. I love it.
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Well, Clone Wars just UPS the ante every season.
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Honestly. Sure does.
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It sure does. Season 2.
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I have the basically the grossest shit ever.
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Yes, and I love all of this. And we've talked about this even
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recently, Legacy of Terror and Brain Invaders.
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Because these episodes have it all.
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Zombies. Brain Invaders.
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Literally. Worms.
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Worms. Zombies.
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Did I say zombies? Bickering.
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Bickering. Sassy Obi Wan?
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We have Clone troopers getting just annihilated.
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Cut in half. No, that was a different
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episode. How many Trump clone troopers
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get cut in half and when? Well.
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That one in the Citadel is probably the worst one.
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That's that's horrible. That's horrible.
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That one was not cool, but that. Still makes my stomach drop
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every time I watch that episode. The thing about these episodes,
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though, is that they're dark. They're kind of bluish Gray
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tinted. Yes, it gives that whole spooky
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feel of like, your underground. It's weird.
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Worms live underground, Bugs live underground.
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Put them all together and it's terrifying.
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It's. My hell Legacy of terror.
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Yes, honestly. And the first time I watched it,
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I loved the weird cinematography of them being it out in the
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catacombs and just their headlamps illuminating where
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they were walking. And it was so like a throwback
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to. Sci-fi horror movies, you know
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from the 70s, I I really enjoyed that and I liked that they did
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something weird like that. They were kind of exploring
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different genres in the world wars of like filmmaking and this
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was definitely their creepy horror sci-fi horror tribute and
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they they did a good job. I was totally grossed out, I was
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going to say. I think they did it very well in
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the fact that it wasn't like, so over the top or so unbelievable.
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Like it's definitely still Star Wars.
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You know, I can believe that this stuff exists in within the
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world of Star Wars. Definitely.
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And this isn't even. It's well, I guess it's a hive
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mind. They're zombies, but it's also a
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hive mind, so it's like they're using the Queen's worms to She's
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frightening. It's.
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Played by Deep Bradley Baker, which I just can't get over.
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I love that so much. Imagine him in the studio.
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How do they not laugh? I don't know.
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I just don't know. It's what James said in our
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interview where he said Dee would say you dial into your
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uvula, which is that thing that like hangs down in your little
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hanging down part. Yes, yeah.
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He was funny. He's like, that sounds really
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wrong, but it's true. It is true.
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Anything else on that topic? Because I love season 3I.
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Well, we go from like a creepy lair to kind of zombie hive mind
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to Season 3. Yes, it's just.
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More pure chaos there's So this is where the the witches are
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introduced. And as we know, it's made it all
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the way to the Ahsoka show, so the witches are here to stay.
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Yeah, and I have always loved the Night Sisters, the
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Dathomirian. We'll see the whole lair of
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Dathomir because she has a castle too.
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And there's bubble, bubble, toil and trouble going on in the lair
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and it. Definitely has that vibe.
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Yeah. I love it.
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I love it. Her whole look.
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The Night Sisters, a planet of badass women.
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You know, I'm here for that. I.
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Love Mother Telzen's voice. It's so spooky and that and she
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she kind of it's moving and changing and layered and so is
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her outfit and like her being, it's almost like she's there,
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but she isn't. She's like a hologram, but she
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isn't. There's like a weird element I.
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Feel like when she talks and that echo is around her, it's
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almost like her and then her ancestors speaking around her.
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Yeah, I love that. I love that idea.
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Yeah, I'm. Not sure that's what it's based
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up, but that's just what brings up in my mind.
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Well it's very ceremonial. They're they're all very, I hate
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to say it like all for one and one for all, but like they are
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all kind of very tight knit. And I in like the weird realm of
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witches, they carry each other onward and I can see how they
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would hold on to those in the past and carry it like
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especially mother towels and because she's like the entity,
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right. She's the.
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Right, HBIC, which is head bitch in charge.
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And I I say that with love. Well, the Monsters episode, so
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there's it's like a three-part arc.
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It's when Ventress returns to Dathomir, that's kind of like
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when we get introduced to the full Knight sister clan, but it
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it's complicated right? So Knight Sisters is where
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Ventress returns home. Monster I think.
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Isn't that the episode where they select Sauvage from the
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Knight Brothers? And there's, like the contest.
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It's weird. That they don't even know what
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they're competing for. They're just fight and they're
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forced to fight their own brothers.
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And I think Savage actually kills his brother.
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Oh yeah, yeah, that's. How they select him and it is
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disturbing. It's really kind of disturbing.
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And then they take him to send him to Dooku.
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That's the whole point, which is it gets even worse.
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I mean, Savage goes through it, and I feel bad for him too.
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But I get a gladiator vibe from the whole, like fighting, which,
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having just been to Rome this year for the first time, and
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seeing the Colosseum and like, that shit was not OK.
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And I say this as a purebred Italian that shit's fucked.
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So this gave me vibes of that. Blood sport, just yeah.
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And it's a weird, like the fact that Savage has to go through
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this only to go through more pain and like Trials with Dooku.
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But the the ambiance is what really UPS the spooky ante in
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all of these, because I know a lot of people love death, Amir.
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I would love to go there. And I first of all, how casual
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are Obi Wan and Anakin When they just show up there?
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I would be freaked out and they're just like another day.
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No big deal. Anakin's like, threatening to
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woo one of the women, you know? This is like with his charm or
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something and Obi Wan just downplays that.
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They're witches. Don't try it.
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Nope, But this may be cut because I may be wrong, but
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don't they come out of like spider web sacks?
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That's later. They do, Yeah.
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I hate that. It's.
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In I think it's on the The Massacre episode that we'll talk
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about for next season. Oh, we're we're going to get
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there. OK Yeah.
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I can't handle spider web anything.
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Spiders. Web being me either, even.
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Like people put the fake spiders out of Halloween.
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I cannot. I cannot handle it.
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It is even that is too much for me.
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So one one of the haunted. So like the theme parks are
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theme parks during the day that we went to and then they they
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like close for an hour and then you're admitted back in and it's
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Halloween Ified, right? And then it's like, oh, spooky
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and all this stuff. One of the decorations at one of
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the theme parks were giant hanging sacks with spiders all
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over them and I wanted to die every time I saw it, right.
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You just got. Goosebumps everywhere.
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That is horrific. When my friend pointed out, hey,
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look at that. Is that a sack of what I was
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like? Why'd you have to go and show me
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that? I need to go home now.
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Yes, I'm calling you out, Dan. I know Dan's listening.
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So hi, Greg. Hi, Dan.
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They're big fans of the show. Oh.
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That's nice. And they celebrated my birthday.
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And they're so nice. Anyway, carry on spiders.
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That's next season. We'll get to that.
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No need to rush, yeah. But there's.
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There's the Witches of the Mist too, where they make a potion
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and drink it and kind of become invisible and infiltrate Dooku's
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home and try to kill him, which is crazy and awesome.
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I love potions. I love concoctions.
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I love this, that that element of you know, put a little of
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this, put a little of that in and poof and then you're you can
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drink it. It's in every it's in every like
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spooky Halloweeny type movie that I enjoy.
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Really, you need to. So it's Macbeth and Hocus Cocus.
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Listen, Macbeth is my favorite Shakespearean piece.
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So. Yeah, Macbeth and Hamlet are my
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top two Macbeth really. It can really creep me out
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sometimes. It is depending on how it's
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portrayed. It can be very disturbing.
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I saw it as a kid. They had like a traveling
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Shakespeare troupe come to our middle school when I was a kid,
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middle school I. Was, yeah, I know.
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I was probably the only one paying attention.
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That's awesome though. It was.
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Great. I loved it.
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All right, so season four, I put Umbara on this because of the
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whole vibe of Umbara. Yes, the mist the plotting
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against each other, the. Yeah, you can't see anything.
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Can't. You're disoriented.
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That's the definition of spooky. Yeah, the foreign species, the
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centipede thing that they forgot about those it all.
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It just gave me like Alien, like the movie Alien, and like
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Prometheus, it gave me vibes. And then we have Pong Crow,
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who's just. He's the boogeyman.
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Yeah, then it becomes like that gaslighting psychological thing.
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That's a that's a that's a spooky thriller theme all in on
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on its own. Yeah, it's like a Hitchcock.
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Yeah, those are my favorite kind of spooky movies, though.
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Oh my. God, they are still scary.
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Honestly, Psycho is still terrifying.
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The reason they're scary is that psychological shit can be real.
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Yes. He doesn't show it.
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He he lets your mind fill in the gap and your mind is going to
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come up with something way more frightening, way worse than he
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would come up with. Yeah, way worse.
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And that's why I like Twilight Zone too, because a lot of that
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is self-imposed. A lot of the episodes are like
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self-imposed scary situations. You don't know if it's real or
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not. It's in your head.
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Maybe it isn't. We just watched it.
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We just watched it on Halloween. We watched some of the old
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schools. Yes, and it was.
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I was eating it up. I can't watch it for too long
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because old stuff, I get bored with it sometimes.
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But we watched a couple of episodes and I was like, this is
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so smart. It's really good storytelling.
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It really is. Some of those are, they really
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stick with you, but I can definitely see how the Umbara
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are kind of ties in all that for sure.
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Yeah, it's. Creepy.
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It definitely wouldn't want to be stuck in that situation, no.
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Whether Pong curls there or not, don't put me on that planet.
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Yeah, it's dark and eerie. It kind of had Tim Burton vibes
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too, with the way the trees were shaped and everything.
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Yes, yes, I didn't think of that.
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You're totally right. You're totally right.
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He always puts in like curly cues.
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Nightmare Before Christmas Yeah, which I just one of the haunted
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houses we went to. Not haunted houses.
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The The Disney closed down and then reopened and it was Oogie
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Boogie's bash. And so everything was themed.
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Halloween or Nightmare Before Christmas and I loved it.
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That was my favorite of all the Halloween.
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I loved it. I love that that character is
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Oogie Boogie. Well, no, I meant Oogie Boogie.
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We went up to him. Oh, you did?
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Oh, yeah. That's great.
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Yeah, it was. It was great.
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We said the next episode, Massacre is the one you were
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talking about. Yeah, with and.
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Zombies. And basically, so the Duke who
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decides he's going to go wipe out the Night Sisters and to
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fight him and his droids off, they raised the dead.
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Sounds great. Apparently they bury their dead
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in a sack on a tree. Maybe the ground is not
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conducive. Could be.
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That's a good point. I don't know why you wouldn't.
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Well, I was going to say burn dead bodies, but I suppose some
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religions don't, so why not hang them in a sack?
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So gross. It's so gross.
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Maybe they're. Just storing them for later in
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case they need to raise them from the dead.
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This reminds me of some I'm getting vibes of something from
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some movie and I don't know which one because my brain is
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shot but I feel like there's I don't remember.
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But if anyone knows the mummy from some, maybe that's what it
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is. Knowing George Lucas, it's it's
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something like old school horror film or Carousel film.
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Yeah, that's why I'm I I guess I can't think of it.
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But I've seen this element before where they're like kind
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of stashed away and then brought out when they need to.
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Yeah, well, I think that's what's going on in Ahsoka.
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I think the cargo they've been loading are zombies, and that's
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what we're going to get in Season 2.
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Yeah, that. Well, we already had the the
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reanimated Stormtroopers. Duct taped together.
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Duct tape together that's thrown in his duct tape.
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Can you just see him like strip pulling out long strips and
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tearing it with his teeth and trying to put them together?
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No, I can't see them, but it's fun to think about.
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It's so funny. The next one is Brothers and
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Revenge, which we love these episodes.
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Brothers, I picked in particular because of how insane Maul is.
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When Savage finds him in a trash pile, like, he's literally looks
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mad, right? He's like he's.
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Shrunken, so his horns are bigger and like ragged, and he's
24:27
got the spider body made out of trash.
24:30
Yes, so, so the elements here are someone who's been in
24:35
isolation for too long and they go mad, Which if you can think
24:40
of in any spooky like weird psycho thriller, there's always,
24:46
you know, someone who kind of is alone for too long.
24:54
Or there that is. Their punishment is to put them
24:56
in isolate, which is terrifying. Can't deal with it.
25:01
So. It just always made me wonder
25:04
because in the next episode Revenge, Savage brings Maul to
25:09
Mother Towson and she quote heals him.
25:12
But. I have always wondered how much
25:13
of that madness like remained and he brought that obsessive
25:19
madness into his healed self and that's why he's so fixated still
25:24
on Kenobi. Like that never went away.
25:26
That was only was muttering to himself right this poor guy.
25:32
I know poor Sisyphus Kenobi is his boulder.
25:39
It is. It really is God.
25:44
But do you think that Mother Talsen just healed him
25:46
physically? I.
25:47
Don't know. Because you saw her scooping
25:49
things out of his mind. Yes, I Maybe that one was so
25:53
deep seated that she couldn't budget that one.
25:57
She basically it looked like she healed him enough so that he
25:59
could function. And like, I don't know when I
26:02
use the word normal, like but be normal on the surface, but he
26:05
was still carrying demons, obviously.
26:07
Like she didn't remove that part.
26:09
She probably could have healed him all the way if she wanted
26:12
to. Yeah, she's like, you know what,
26:14
this will this will be more interesting if we just leave a
26:16
little of this in there. I don't know what she.
26:21
Is such a dubious character, right Like she is.
26:24
She's. Seems to like love you to your
26:28
face, but I always feel like she has an alternate ulterior motive
26:32
with everyone that she talks to. Yeah, and do we even know what
26:36
it is? Or is it just power?
26:38
No, I feel like only she knows. Yeah, she she's.
26:42
It's another one of those. I get the sense of like she's
26:45
got all the power and she's not afraid to use it and she has fun
26:47
with it. Yeah, I do think she loves her.
26:50
Her the, the, the sisters like Assange and her sisters.
26:54
But on a level where it's kind of like she has to.
27:00
It's part of the thing that goes on there.
27:03
It's part of the process. She also gave Ventris away.
27:07
Yeah, so. Yeah, it's like she did that,
27:10
but then she was happy when she came back.
27:12
I don't know. Yeah, everything with the Knight
27:14
sisters is complicated. It's very, very, very
27:18
duplicitous. Yeah.
27:21
And the whole way she heals Moll and he's screaming and all the
27:25
the metal is like fusing together and he's Oh my God.
27:29
I watched it on an airplane once and I was like, really
27:31
embarrassed. I was like, oh, it's.
27:35
Like covering my screen because I'm like, Oh my God, I forgot
27:37
about this part of that episode. Yeah, if I was across the aisle
27:41
from you, I'd still be watching your screen.
27:43
I'd be like, what the fuck is this?
27:46
I'll mess Every time I watch Star Wars.
27:47
Somebody's leaning over to watch it with me.
27:50
That's fine. So the.
27:56
Next is the last episode, Stephen.
27:59
Season six and The Lost Ones is not something I watch very
28:05
often, but it's very similar to what we just talked about.
28:08
It's Saif. Well, it's not Saif ODS he's
28:10
dead, but it's his assistant who has a really funny, like
28:15
pedestrian name like Tallman or something like that.
28:21
And he also has been left in isolation, isolation for like so
28:26
long. It's amazing.
28:28
He's still alive and he has lost his mind.
28:31
Yeah, yeah. And.
28:33
He has like little bugs that are his pets that are like all over
28:38
him, but also all over the room. And he's like Ben's all funny,
28:43
like how his dog does when she's turned to the Sith.
28:45
It's so creepy. That element has always bothered
28:50
me in like scary movies when they move in unnatural ways.
28:54
Yes. Oh, God.
28:56
Literally just gave me goosebumps.
28:58
Yeah, I I'm, I'm going to prefer to not speak more on that.
29:02
But the this episode all honestly all of the lost
29:06
episodes are a little weird. They.
29:09
Are this one? Is this one and the next ones
29:11
that are on the list are they are fucking strange.
29:14
Well, the Yoda ones are the ones that you have here.
29:17
The whole thing is so mystical and weird and and and it's it's
29:22
like a spooky journey that he takes and and you don't really
29:27
know if it's real or not. That's why I put this on because
29:31
it's psychological in a sense. It's all in his head.
29:35
It's like the. The fear we carry with us is
29:38
actually much bigger than we might even want to admit.
29:42
And 'cause he actually goes to the Sith Temple, Yeah, he does.
29:46
And. Meets the spirit, I think, of
29:49
Bane, isn't it? Bane.
29:51
Yeah, isn't that Mark Hamill? Yeah, Campbell's voice.
29:55
I was so. Kind of pissed, 'cause I was
29:57
like the one time Mark Hamill's on Clone Wars.
29:59
I couldn't understand a word that they they had so much.
30:04
Like effects on his voice. I couldn't understand what he
30:06
was saying. I had to watch it with
30:07
subtitles. I know, I know.
30:09
But it's it's it's cool visually.
30:12
And the whole thing is, listen, I wouldn't be able to do what
30:17
Yoda did and not turn around and run.
30:20
But Yoda's just like I've seen it all, been through it all.
30:23
This is nothing. I I know what to kind of expect,
30:26
and I'm here for the dream. I'm here for the ride.
30:30
And then he tell you. Then he then doesn't he see the
30:32
the, the wills? Those are fucking creepy too.
30:35
Yeah, 'cause they have the different faces.
30:37
The anything that changes faces I hate.
30:42
Well, it says they circle around him and go spinning so that the
30:46
faces keep replacing themselves in front of his face and Oh
30:50
yeah, that whole thing. And I think he even sees himself
30:53
in that vision as like a dark, like little evil creature.
30:56
And he kind of sees. I think he actually sees Sidious
31:02
also, and how like all the members of the Jedi are killed.
31:06
And yeah, it's a horrible vision that he has.
31:09
And I get Harry Potter, Dementor vibes from the wills with their
31:15
like robes and the and those flying in the the sea.
31:19
You know how they are. Your soul out.
31:23
One of the fucking most frightening things ever are the
31:25
Dementors than Harry Potter. I hate those things.
31:31
They. Are so creepy.
31:32
So anything that reminds me of those, I get bad vibes real real
31:36
fast the. Whole concept.
31:38
I wonder if they're based on something from mythology.
31:41
I I imagine they must be. But yeah, they're always so
31:45
creepy. But the wills aren't necessarily
31:48
bad. Well, we don't really know what
31:50
they are because we've investigated this.
31:53
I think they're disturbing because they are like that
31:58
version of them. They're so one-dimensional.
32:02
Each of them, Yeah. So.
32:04
There's, you know, there's one that's anger, one that's joy,
32:08
one that's neutrality. But they're nothing else.
32:11
They're just that thing, and that's not how people are.
32:14
So it's a little bit disturbing to be around something that's so
32:18
singular. You know, I I don't know.
32:21
No, I agree. I agree they're weird and it's.
32:24
Kind of what Dave has said about Bendu, where it's like or even
32:27
the loathwolves, they're not good.
32:30
They are the force. So they're they're not like the
32:35
loathwolves will get frustrated with you and be like, you know,
32:38
like you're you're no help to me now get out of my way.
32:42
And Bendu is kind of the same, where you're not really sure if
32:45
he's good or bad. Is that kind of middle ground?
32:49
And the wills are that way too. So you just never know where you
32:51
stand with those things. Yeah, they ask a lot of
32:54
questions of you to prove a point, and you don't get a lot
32:57
of answers back from them which. Is very like Yoda, yes.
33:03
So I mean, no wonder Yoda walked through these episodes.
33:06
No problem in the caves and the weird stuff and the wills and
33:09
just. Like it?
33:10
Yeah, no big deal. Takes 1 to know one and finally
33:16
old season seven. We love season seven, most of
33:19
it. Yeah, there's a few episodes I
33:21
don't like, but for the most part, this disturbed the shit
33:26
out of me. The first time I I saw this,
33:29
it's a distant echo. And that is somebody horror shit
33:35
going on? Yeah, 100% it's.
33:38
Spoiler alert I guess on all this stuff but.
33:45
Now that we're at the end of the episode, spoiler alert, Rex has
33:47
a sense that Echo's still alive. Like he really believes it and
33:50
they actually find him and he is basically like plugged into, I
33:57
don't even know what to call it. I guess it's the Separatist at
34:00
that time, right? But it's really serving
34:03
Palpatine on a higher level. They're like have him like
34:07
plugged into computers and shit so they can read his mind and
34:11
and know what. The battle plans are, and it's
34:15
horrific, it's terrible. It's it's made more impactful
34:21
this late in the game in Season 7, because we've had basically 5
34:26
and and a lot of 6 learning that clones aren't mindless, A hive
34:31
mind like we already talked about.
34:32
They're individuals. They have feelings, you know
34:36
they are unique despite them being clones.
34:39
And then you see them literally just using him like a machine,
34:45
like a computer, something you plug in and get information from
34:50
literally used. And that is the probably the
34:54
most frightening thing of all, the disregard for life to to
34:58
benefit. I can't.
35:01
This was so disturbing to watch. I don't revisit this one.
35:06
I don't either. I've I've watched it once and I
35:09
did go back to double check that this was the episode.
35:12
And even then I was like, I don't want to watch the scene.
35:15
No, no, it's it's torture. It's just torture and it's
35:19
terrible when they. Talk about and luckily you know
35:24
like they rescue him and he gets to be part of the bad batch and
35:28
have a life but they even say in bad batch like.
35:31
All the bad batchers were kind of born with an anomaly, I
35:34
assume. I mean, for all we know, they
35:36
were actually manipulated to have anomalies, but we haven't
35:39
talked about that, I don't think.
35:40
But Echo was made, yeah. And you know, like he's got like
35:47
a screwdriver for an arm and he's got like all these plugs in
35:51
his head, like it's just fucking awful.
35:53
It is like body horror on a on a level that I didn't expect from.
35:59
Clone Wars. So And it makes me uncomfortable
36:02
to even look at him in Bad Batch even though he's like found
36:05
family and he's getting love and and he's being used.
36:10
He's useful, you know to the group and he's part of the group
36:13
and that sort of thing. But it's just unfortunate like
36:16
how he looks. He's paler than the others, you
36:20
know, like you said, the screwdriver arm is just it's
36:24
twisted. He's half it's very Vader esque
36:28
where he's like part machine now and well, spoiler alert to
36:34
anyone who hasn't listened. So if you don't want to hear
36:36
spoilers for Bad Batch, then listen.
36:38
But have you? Do you know what happens in the
36:41
finale of Bad Batch, the more recent with Tech?
36:45
No, I know he dies. Quote UN quote.
36:47
Tech dies like he falls and disappears and they, I mean he
36:51
fell from such a great height he would have to be dead.
36:54
But some people are thinking maybe he didn't die.
36:57
And to me, I almost feel like I kind of hope he did.
37:00
Because if he didn't and the Empire finds him, it's over.
37:04
It's going to be another repeat, yeah.
37:06
Exactly. This is what awaits him.
37:08
This is what the Empire is. You know, like you said, total
37:11
disregard. Yep.
37:14
Yeah. They're just, they leave a path
37:16
of ruin everywhere and it's very sad.
37:21
I love Echo. He didn't deserve it.
37:24
I. Know at least he's making a
37:26
difference now like working with Rex and well, he is in bad
37:30
Badge, so yeah. So that's our spooky list ending
37:35
on a super depressed note. Well, we'll we'll, we'll put a
37:41
positive spin on it. Echo is an example of you can go
37:45
through hell and still come out the other end with family and
37:49
friends around you supporting you.
37:51
And you can you're not all lost. Not all is lost.
37:56
So. And I loved the whole part of
37:59
Rex not giving up on him. Never.
38:01
And I love that. It was really beautiful and it
38:05
also led to that really beautiful conversation with
38:07
Anakin and Padme where she said, you know.
38:09
You ask Rex to trust you all the time.
38:12
Here's your chance to reciprocate that he doesn't.
38:15
He deserved that from you and I. I loved that conversation.
38:19
I love the column so much. Yes, he I love it so much.
38:26
I love them. What's your favorite spooky
38:29
element? Good.
38:30
Question I think I really like. I don't know.
38:37
It's hard to say. Like, I love the psychological
38:40
stuff a lot, yes, but I. Really do love Mother Talzin?
38:45
Yeah, I was going to say the witches.
38:47
The witches are the epitome of like in this realm of
38:52
Spooktacular things. Mother Talzin reigns supreme.
38:57
But I do love The Brain Invaders, because that's just
38:59
good old fun, weird, spooky shit.
39:03
Yeah, that is a special place in my heart because that was one of
39:06
the first times watching Clone Wars.
39:08
We really should do a geonosis like Breakdown because that was
39:11
one of the first times where I was like, this show is getting
39:13
so creative. I agree it.
39:16
Was so unexpected. And that was really, really
39:20
refreshing, honestly. All right listeners, now you
39:29
tell us. What is your favorite spooky
39:33
element from Clone Wars? Witches.
39:35
Zombies. Brain invading worms?
39:37
You have a lot to pick from, so let us know.
39:44
Let us know your thoughts and we will share them on next week's
39:47
episode. And our next episode Next week
39:51
is all about Mark Hamill because we can't believe we haven't done
39:55
this yet. We're kind of feeling the love.
39:59
We love Mark Hamill and he has an interesting background, so
40:02
we're going to discuss all of it he.
40:05
Does. I've watched a documentary on
40:07
him years ago and there's a lot in there.
40:09
I was very surprised to learn. So I'm really excited to talk
40:12
about him, Yeah. So join us back here.
40:14
We're going to give all the love to Mr. Hamill himself.
40:18
Isn't that what his Instagram Yeah handle used to be?
40:20
Yeah. Yeah, Hamill himself.
40:22
Yep. Dorothy Hamill himself.
40:25
Yeah, right. OK, listener comments.
40:30
Last week, if you remember, we had Gina Leanne's wonderful
40:34
mother on the show, and she asked us who was the best Jedi.
40:37
And so we ran a poll on Spotify. I listed Obi Wan Kenobi, Anakin
40:42
Skywalker, Ahsoka Tano, Luke Skywalker, Qui Gun Jin, Kate and
40:46
Jairus, or other. Yes, and Obi Wan won by a
40:53
landslide for sure. I'm not surprised.
40:56
Ahsoka came in second and then everyone else was tied.
40:59
So yeah, wonderful. I mean, very nice.
41:01
Considering we're most things Kenobi.
41:03
I'm not surprised everyone liked Opie won best.
41:05
He's. Pretty good, yeah.
41:08
We say it all the time like him. And then we asked how did people
41:15
get into Star Wars and what is keeping them here?
41:19
And, GAIL said the action, the spaceships, the Jedi with a fire
41:23
emoji. Awe, I guess what adds to the
41:26
holding power are the other awesome fans.
41:29
Yeah, I totally feel that if. You find a good group, Hold on
41:32
to them. Yes, Yeah, we are.
41:35
We are very lucky with this amazing group of people that we
41:38
have specifically. But yeah, she also said some in
41:42
the original trilogy and recently the prequels.
41:45
We can be the most wonderful fans together.
41:48
Yes, that. Yes, I love that.
41:50
And it's true, It is. And then Abby Baby said.
41:54
I saw Force Awakens when I was eight.
41:56
Oh my God. Wow, 8:00.
41:59
And from that day on, I was hooked.
42:02
I am now 16, and though I've gone in and out of the fandom,
42:05
I've always kept up with it. And now I feel it is part of my
42:08
blood. That is your true fan.
42:11
You are a true Star Wars fan. That's awesome.
42:14
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42:17
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