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Episode 238: Progeny (SGA 3.05) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Get into Gates episode two hundred and thirty eight, talking Stargates at Atlantis midshear
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with the Gibsons. Over to you, Matthew and the Brendan. Get a,
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guys, get a. Indeed, here we are, guys, last
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week celebrating Christmas Eve. Here we are the final one of season twenty twenty
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three. It's New Year's Eve. Hoop hoop hoop. That's gone. Oh
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the sneeze. It would have been amazing. It's like bodily fireworks. That
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was disgusting. We all sniff into the microphone. Now give us and give
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us a cold one. I could really hear the like the flaps at the
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end of the nostril. You know you can always hear my flap. You've
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always said that they're very They're very giving, very meaty flaps and look just
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to ring things. And I know a couple of weeks ago on the podcast,
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we had a little bit of fun with our mate Robert C. Cooper
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And if you missed our episode on which no one missed it, well no
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he couldn't have. I mean, christ weird that that was one of the
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greatest recording sessions we've ever had. I've read you know what. I went
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and saw the great Andrew Schultz live at Brisbane Tamement Center a couple of weeks
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ago for a comedy stand up show. It was amazing. I think I
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laughed harder and more frequently with you playing Maddie clips of Robert C. Cooper
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absolutely giving it to himself for how good Satita was. You're welcome, My
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god, I'm the Matt Rife of Stargate. Yes, I haven't got my
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own gear, and I've got someone else to bounce off. Hilarious shit.
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I need to look into more about that guy. All of a sudden,
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everyone's turning on him, me playing me, playing audio. That's my work
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because he got for his first joke and he's special or something. I thought
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it was. Yeah, there was a domestic abuse joke or something like that.
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But it was well done. It was clever. I mean, his
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YouTube special was I think better than his Netflix special and his crowd work style.
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Like his Netflix special wasn't fantastic. It was fine, it wasn't cancelable.
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Oh, there's heaps of Netflix special. Yeah. Javas just released a
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new one on Christmas Day. I think it came out. Yeah, I
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watched Yeah, He put out a tweet a couple of days earlier and was
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like, look, it's got jokes about this, about this, about this,
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like you know, religion, pedophilia. But yeah, exactly, it's
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like, if this is going to trigger you, don't watch it. I
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promise you you will not enjoy it. Just because I promise you you will
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watch it. Absolutely, they'll watch it and they'll be calling for a minute.
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Oh, it's amazing. Just did himself ten thousand extraviews on one.
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Brilliant stuff there. So Robert C. Cooper, I mean, the gift
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that keeps on giving. He's back again for this episode because bugs. Why
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wouldn't he be It's more bugs. So anyway, we'll go over to our
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progeny, see what this bad boy's about, and then the tear right into
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it. The Atlantis expedition encounters a highly advanced race the Assurance Assured. That's
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right to be assured Assurance Assurance Assurance Auran Assurance. They initially believe that to
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be the ancients. However, this new race is just a new face of
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an old nemesis. Like I said, Cooper, Behind behind the Pen,
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they're directed by Andy mckeeter. I really I had Carl Binder down as the
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writer. Sorry story story by Cooper and Binder. Yeah, he's like,
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hey Carl, Carl, people bugs bring back the Replicators. You have to
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put my name in it. Boom. I'm gonna say it now because we've
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we this is the this is the villain we've we've alluded to with Mitchell for
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a little while that it's like someone they bring back and we see obviously we
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see them a little bit more going through. So I'm just gonna say here
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and now, I have no idea. I've never understood it, and I
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don't think I ever will. I don't understand what they mean when they say
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that these replicators are organic. I don't. I don't understand that the show.
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They're not there. Yeah, but they're organic. They're not They're not
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made out of metal or trinium or whatever the same way, you know,
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like organic. This might only be a Michael bayism, but in the first
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Transformers that the Transformers were described as an organic machine, like they are a
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bio based like they're made out of metal. Yeah, but they describe these
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guys, aren't I don't think. Yeah, they still are, Like yeah,
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but I know what you mean, like it's it's a weird like they
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are. Are you getting confused with that? They want to ascend? No,
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No, they just they say that they're organic. These are different to
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Milky Way replicator. I don't remember that line at all. And they're organic
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in that's why they can potentially assent like normal replicators would never be able to
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feel like you're making that up. I feel like you're making that up.
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I have no memory of that. Yeah, And if it's anyone's place to
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make something up, to pay out Robert C. Cooper Moore, that's Brillant's
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position on the show. I mean, you've never had to make anything up.
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But if you have listened to this, it's a little bit long,
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but it's just I've tried to edit down the story. That is it neam,
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Yeah, the story that he told about like their origin and stuff like
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that. I'll see if it's in that. It's fifth with an N,
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fifth with an n oh, I see what you mean. The ancients,
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as you call them, were desperate in their search for a better way to
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fight the Raith. So greatly outnumbered, they relied on their technological superiority to
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give them a needed advantage. Soon they succeeded in creating one. Instead of
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building bigger, more powerful weapons, they chose to build smaller ones, microscopic
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machines design to infiltrate and destroy from within lannes. In these tiny killing machines,
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the ancients imbued an aggression that surpassed even that of their enemy. The
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technology allowed for organic assimilation and self replication. To increase their effective organic assimilation
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and replicate they did. They grew in numbers, evolving at a rate that
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took the ancients by surprise. The molecular machines began interlocking them themselves the form
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even more complex organisms, eventually evolving into the most effective and efficient form they
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knew of. This is how we were born. We took the image of
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our creators, yet we were far different from them. The aggression programs into
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our core remained. Feeling a rage we could not contain. We implored them
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to have this violent nature removed from our pro But the ancients wanted a weapon,
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and since their scientists included a directive prohibiting us from ever harming them,
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they continued the experiment. When the ancients concluded that the experiment had gone too
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far that we would never become the weapon they desired to create. They decided
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to end it. So they chose to destroy us, to leave us behind.
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That that c g I made no sense to me being in us a
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rage. They could never be reckoned. Blay the start of it again,
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you're hired. It came back at the end, But the first like ten
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or fifteen seconds there, it sounds like he's he's giving you the setup to
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a joke, like he just containing his own laughter. What he's about to
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say every line. I thought he was about to cry the whole episode,
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So the cry will laugh. The ancients, as you call them, were
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desperate in their search for a better way time. I love this one number
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technological superiority, like just he's always falling into the next. Yeah, and
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then was this is the best bit. We're molecular. I feel like Carl
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Binderbinders had just had it. I feel like everything molecular is made up of
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some flavor of adam, whether it be hydrogen, helium, carbons, an
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organic assimilation. Is that like they're assimilating with organic, like the idea that
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they can look like okay, so they can eat I guess if the nanoates
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are that small, they can eat food, carbon based, organic, biologic
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and turn it into whatever atom they need it to be. M I guess.
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Turning to nanot technology, the Lanterns built nanits which would allow for organic
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assimilation. What does that even mean? Like, I guess, you know
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how they eat the whole of a ship instead of the hull of the ship.
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They can eat a tree now, Yeah, Like, I guess it's
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just what if adition of organic is like I would I would think of like
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metals like trinium and like kind of stuff. I wouldn't think of them as
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natural as organic. When I think of organic, I think of you know,
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flesh and blood and bone and you know, like biological. Yeah.
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So I've never understood the difference. But like, I guess, between these,
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why didn't why don't you just say, like, why didn't they just
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set them up that these are the same as Milky Way replicators. It's just
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like these guys came first, which they probably did, I guess since it's
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over ten thousand years. Yeah, and then and then you know, the
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same guy that invented invented race or something. Yeah, like yeah, bring
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give us the tie into that rather than having the assurance be something completely different.
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How could they be, They're exactly the same. Yeah, I guess
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it's just like, oh, we're just going to bypass the cgi bug phase
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because that's too expensive. But then we're gonna let them like headfinger people and
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walk through doors and all that kind of stuff the exact same way milky Way
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replicators do. So, like, yeah, maybe someone tell me if I'm
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wrong, if I don't. Like I said, I've never understood the distinction
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between Assurance and milky Way replicators, aside from the fact that Assurans don't seem
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to need the same raw materials that milky Way replicated, at least we don't
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see them getting it. Well, yeah, we never see the meaning to
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consume ships and you know what was what was there? There was a compound
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specifically that replicators needed to make human form replicators. There was a special component
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like the special chemical element or whatever it is that they needed. Yeah,
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so I just I don't understand. I guess. I mean when you think,
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if you look at the periodic anything on the periodic table is is natural
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in nature, right, So you can get gold from a from a supernova,
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that's the only way you can get gold of the platinum. But then
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like is it no iron. It's like there's like alloys. Alloys aren't occurring
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in nature because you've got to combine things, so like trinium is an alloy,
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like trinium alloy and all that kind of stuff. So it's like,
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well, I guess it is naturally occurring in the on the Native American planet.
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But it's like I feel like, at least be wrong, But I'm
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always led to believe that it's like human like Milky Way replicators needed like alloys
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and things that have been produced, like they needed that stuff to build.
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So I just don't understand why they emphasized the organic nature of assurance. And
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I feel like the way they used it was just mumbo jumbo, Yeah,
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just to sound good, Yeah, just to like we want them to have
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the same effect and the same intent and sort of sort of terminator like sort
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to focus on on their mission the way that they do things as the replicators,
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but we can't have to be a direct copy. So and yeah,
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maybe maybe in my brain too, I'm I'm sort of combining the fact that
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it's like, okay, well, Milky Way replicators would attack as guard technology
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and get better for it, And it's in my brain, I'm going,
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well, the Assurance were designed to fight the Wraith, and the Wraith are
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purely organic, like even their ships are organic, that kind of thing.
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So it's like that's where I'm trying to find the the connection and what how
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how are these actually different too? I don't think there is one. It's
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I just feel like Cooper's just like, I want credit for every episode there's
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replicated, because we just we killed Jacob off too and sell Mac to get
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rid of the replicators could always piss me off because it's like, oh no,
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you just bring them, bringing them back from And as much as I
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do like the human form replicators and I actually do like the Atlanta's storylines with
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replicators. I like this episode. I love this. It was just it
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was just lazy, lazy connector knows there is no connection between me. Yeah,
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I feel I feel like as a payoff to fans, it might be
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would have been like saying, to tie it into Reese and all that mythology
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that's already been set up. I did read, you know, just a
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line because I get that some people are only Atlanti's watchers. There are a
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lot of people who just and then Mackay going they're not just they're not ancients,
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they're not just robots. They're replicators. And yeah, they kind of
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talk about a little bit like that. Even if McKay had have said,
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I these guys, or must be the robot SG one found must be from
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these guys, anything that, I don't know how true it is, but
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I read in some of the trivia stuff that apparently the Replicators were originally going
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to be the main villains of Atlantis in the early stages when Atlanta was still
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going to take place like on Earth in the Milky Way galaxy and stuff like
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that, Replicators were going to be like the Atlantis villain. And obviously once
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they then moved to Pegas and said like, well, okay, no,
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let they invented the Wraith and the Raith is so cool, such a cool
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villain. But there was there was a mention I can't remember if they they've
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never mentioned in the show that it's actually connected. But one of the other
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trivia bits I read is back in Hot Zone, they introduced like the mysterious
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creators of a nanite virus back in like season one in Hot Zone, that
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was a nanite virus that we were exposed to in one of the labs in
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Atlantis when we were exploring. So I think the idea was that we're going
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to draw a connection between that and this, but they never kind of ever
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do it in dialogue. It's kind of just left as a as a thing.
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So yeah, but yeah, I just wanted to get in early with
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that. I don't understand what Assuran replicators are in terms of how different they
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are to milk Away replicators. Yeah, now we can talk about the actual
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episode because it's a great episode. Yeah, I mean that's yeah, that's
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the key. But it is a key thing to think of is that every
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single replicator that was in the Milky Way and there was a scourge of the
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as Guard came from these guys, is what I'm always thought. Yeah,
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right, because they're so much older. Yeah, they've been in pegas Is
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longer than and I guess it could have been a cool wreck kind of in
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the sense that oh, the as Guard, yeah, discovered them or whatever
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and thought that they could better them, and yeah, you know it's like,
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no, you just don't play god. You know, these things coming
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back to bite them in the ass because they tried to better that technology or
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whatever. You know, like you the Pegasus and they got yeah that's how
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they got a replicator on Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
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It's just yeah, everything else about it that I enjoy, like even the
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reveal when they walk through the gate and they're like what the hell. Yeah,
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like the gate shuts down, there's the big Yeah, that was really
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cool. I mean it's weird because then everyone like approaches them from behind the
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stargate, which but that's a really cool because like, yeah, they walk
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in and go, oh, we're back in our gate room what yeah,
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which is kind of like early sgu one feels yeah, oh, we're back,
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you know, and then not really the puddle disappears, especially when you
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do see the stuff from the malp So it wasn't like they've walked through and
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you walk back and you're like, oh, okay, obviously this is you
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know, something's gone wrong with the gate. With actual Yeah, it was
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just like everything was pushing you in one direction and then all of a sudden,
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Oh no, I think we're going this other direction. No, no,
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it's back to the first one, just not as we as we know
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it as Yeah, like as a first timer, like you knew something was
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gone wrong and we had that episode, however, long ago, where there
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was that ancient outpost with the giant city underground, it was like, holy
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ship, that's huge, like amazing, like the amazing idea of what that
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could be, and that there are these pocket things all across the galaxy and
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how many are there and how big could they be? Like you know,
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Rodney in that episode just amazed at the size of that thing. And then
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it's just sitting out there and what do they do with it? How many
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are there out there? And then we get to this place and they go
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for a walk. You're talking about the medieval one where they have the yeah
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yeah, yes, under the ground, yeah tower in stul when we had
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the sorry no no, yeah, yeah, but the outpost beneath Antarctica and
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yeah, and then you get this one and they go for that long walk
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out the hallway and they get to you know, a little open air deck
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and then they just look at like holy shit. And then you zoom.
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Man, You're like, oh wow, this whole thing is like a replica
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of Holy shit. It's like fifty atlantis, Like this is amazing. I
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do like I still haven't invented a car. Yeah, they're walking around I
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thought it was good. So yeah, there was like as the first time,
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there was just so many little bits along the way, and then even
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you know, the reveal of the you know, I mean the fact that
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that was a bit of a dream sequence. You know, like you get
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so far in and you think, Okay, this is making a lot of
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sense. I was going to ask you about that, Yeah, like the
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fake like the Wraith attack and then they get setting themself destruct and it turns
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out they've been they're being head fingered the whole time. Yeah. Yeah,
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I was like I was going to ask you when like when it was you
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kind of clicked onto that I can't remember now, something was, something was
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awry. And then from from that point on, I mean, they even
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bring it up and they say, we can't trust that what's going on here
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is even real, And I thought, well, yeah, you're telling me
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as when Yeah, I don't believe any thing that you see here from from
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here on out, you know, I always always expect that the unexpected it's
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gonna come or whatnot, but it never did. I did. I did
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it an interesting bit of trivia supposition, like a theory that someone had and
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I've never connected these two things together. But what they were theorizing is that
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because of the ancient's experience with the assurance, that's why the anti replicator gun
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that O'Neill created when he was that's why that was in the ancient repository of
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knowledge. So what they're supposing in that regard is that O'Neill never Actually I
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always assumed O'Neil invented that using ancient knowledge. But what these other people assume
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is those plans for an anti replicator weapon were already in the ancient repository of
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knowledge that was downloaded to the Jack's brain, and that's why it has such
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an alien design, you know. And Jack just didn't just design a human
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gun because you know, the ancients had to figure out ways to separate the
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nanight clusters and that kind of stuff. So I'm like, cool, that's
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interesting. Take I never sort of had it like that before. Yeah,
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And then that sort of that that would enhance that as opposed to one of
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those retcons that comes along that changes for the worse what you've seen before.
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And you can't go back and watch that episode and Jack getting it. They
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repositoring it. Ah, Okay, well I know where this goes, and
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it's shit. It's like none of there's it's it's good as it is.
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It's good. If you're a first time watcher of SG one, you see
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that it's everything that you want it to be, and then all of a
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sudden it's something. There was even a line in that. It wasn't there
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like Daniel saying I'll trust Jack to use a gun or something like that.
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I don't know, someone said something like that. Yeah, I thought it
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was interesting. I didn't quite understand why overall, aside from like, the
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only thing I can lean on is aside from the fact that they keep talking
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about this like the natural aggression that is built into the assurance, which is
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weird because they're all just been chilling on the on their own planet by them
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cells for the last the look of it, by the ten thousand years.
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I mean, you did say we have plans for the Wraith, you know,
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but you know we've we've got time or whatever. But I didn't understand
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the instant, oh, we have to destroy Atlantis. I didn't, aside
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from being like a petulant child and be like, oh, but it's like
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all the ancients of either they're either dead or ascended and we've been lending.
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It's like, what is destroying one of their cities going to do when they
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have like ten of them, you know, they're still like all just like
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legoed together. Yeah. So it's like, well, what what benefit does
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it have for the Assurance to to destroy Atlantis? Like especially given that we
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as like, can we please have one of the five thousand ZPMs that you
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guys are making, but you guys are making your own ZPMs? Yeah,
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can we have one please? Yeah. So they're clearly like we're clearly not
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a threat to them. No, But it makes more sense if like there
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were certain elements or alloys or whatever we're only existed on Atlantis. Hey,
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these these replicated you know, the Assurance. These Zurans are going out there
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and they're getting whatever they want from across the galaxy, but there's certain things
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that can only be found in Atlantis and they want them for whatever reason.
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If they got really prideful and they were like, oh, we were created
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on Atlantis, and then it's like that's what I say, the very,
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the very the very existence of Atlantis is a slight on our existence because that
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was the place where we were created and then tried to be obliterated and they
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failed. You know, it's an affront to our our existences. Great,
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give me that line because David olden Stys is going to out of that.
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I filled that in myself, feeling like that's where they made us hate Theians.
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This is their pride and joy Atlantis. So tell me what the gem
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of the galaxy? Yeah, I do. I do love this bit.
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Though you said earlier that your brother's greatest weakness was their arrogance. Yeah,
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I suggests, Yeah, we could negotiat it. It's twice the normal.
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I forgot i'd made that. Now that was a good line because then then
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she like she she smoked bomb after ye and then he's just sort of doing
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that look like bitch. Maybe maybe that's why they decided. Maybe that's the
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moment I'm going to blow up your city. So tell me what did I
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miss there? As the first time, I want to be okay, I
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mean that too. I'm like, why why are you going? I mean,
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what's gonna Obviously something's going to happen in this episode. I'll tell you.
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I want to get head fingered. I will tell you exactly why.
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And the world's best to established diplomatic relations with them immediately, and then she
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just that's right, she's the boss. No, I get that, that's
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what And then she just calls him arrogant, walks out of the room,
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a great diplomatic because she's the boss. No, I get that, and
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she is, and she has every right to go on she wants, but
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she she says, I'm you know, I'm a diplomat. I'm going to
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go and I want to establish, you know, this relationship with them as
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quickly as possible. Why they're over anybody else that you have a connection to
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you, Oh, there's life in that planet. We're going to go and
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all these guys because Eddie Murphy once said, you'll got you got, You've
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got what I need. But what do they have? What? Like we
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didn't know what they had technology at that point. Did we know that?
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Yeah? Because remember they had the clothes. They had the clothes that they
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thought they were real ancients, because like they set them up and they're like,
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Hi, we're friends, please come visit us at the start. So
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it was just the close she they thought they were ancients. She's like,
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they're anxious clothes. Okay, right, okay, because that's what I'm like
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she was. She walked through the gate for that first time and was like,
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what it was? It was, Yeah, it just it just seems
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it did seem strange to me. She's like, oh no, this one
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I need to go. And I'm like, okay, as from a story
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point, like in world, I don't know, maybe it's a bit.
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I'm like as a viewer, I'm like, why is this any different?
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Just like, these people aren't living in their own filth, so we don't
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we don't need Yeah, we don't mean, we don't mean. That's more
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of what it is. Yeah, you can take my shoes off there.
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You know, these people look clean at the beginning of Setita. It's like
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when they go there and you know, they get put into a cage.
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She was never at any risk of going to that planet because these people lived
24:11
outside. She's like, these people all look clean and ninety five percent of
24:15
them are white. They are so okay, tell me what what did I
24:23
miss then? Because we're talking about this, Okay, they do they want
24:27
what we've got? Do they just want to destroy us because they're angry blah,
24:30
but fine, great, whatever the reason, it doesn't matter. Why
24:33
have they not done it? Before now, they didn't know we existed.
24:37
They just didn't know that Atlantis itself still existed. They pulled a dark side
24:41
from Justice League where they just forgot they lost the location of their their greatest
24:48
failure defeat or whatever, and just didn't know. We just thought it all
24:52
went to plan. Yeah, we thought the sendered and went away and just
24:56
doing our own things, not to spoil thing for Mitch. But do we
25:02
come to find out that, I mean, they've got a working stargate,
25:06
nothing's wrong with their stargate. It's fine, and they even going doing their
25:08
own missions and just traveling around and doing whatever they want. We just obviously
25:11
it's a big galaxy. It's not a surprise they send another ten ships immediately.
25:18
Yeah, well, I guess anything that they don't do, it's that
25:22
whole God has a plan because they basically have no I mean when you talk
25:27
to when you talk to religious like a Christian and you say, okay,
25:32
so why did God invent cancer and children? And he's like, well,
25:34
God has a plan for everything. Yeah, any he does have a plan
25:37
for those kids. I don't know what it is. Well, he's going
25:41
to be that pedal uncle we were talking about last week, and he's like,
25:44
get them back up to Heaven quick. That one's hot, give it
25:45
cancer, so it gets back up here quick. So I feel like the
25:52
conversation that we had with Oberth about well, you guys can help us defeat
25:56
the wraith, that'll be great. He's like, we will defeat the wraith
25:59
that are choosing of our time. She's a when will that be? Whenever?
26:03
The we want is basically what he said. So it's like, yeah,
26:06
like anything because they they look even more like in the same way the
26:11
Milky Way replicators were like, oh yeah, we're happy to sit on our
26:14
planet for the next thousand years and like, you know, just build up
26:18
our resources and then come out and fo you all up for Like, these
26:21
replicators are the same. It's like we're working, but it's like we're not.
26:25
We're not planning a year ahead, two years ahead. We're planning decades
26:27
ahead. We're immortal, you know, where we're forever. Yeah. I
26:32
found it odd that they say our brothers were created blah blah blah. I
26:37
guess they destroyed a lot of them, didn't they A bit. Yeah.
26:40
In in Neam's thing, he says, like the the Atlanteans did succeed in
26:45
wiping them out, but like three nanites survived, and that whole city has
26:51
now existed because of those like three nanites that weren't that weren't obliterated when they
26:56
when they wipe them out, So it wasn't really an experiment because judging by
27:00
that CGI, there was like the city that almost exists now getting obliterated by
27:07
the ancients with all those Aurora class ships. Yeah, it just feels like
27:14
they would have known that it's getting out of hand before that, right like
27:19
in the lab when there was twenty of them, And then do they say,
27:23
why was it just because they were too aggressive? That you guys just
27:29
just too aggressive, Like I know, we programmed that in you, and
27:32
we could change it, like okay, we have a rage and the burns
27:36
inside of us. Like we got like a dozen ships here, we could
27:40
just blow them up. That looks like fun like scorched earth. Mother.
27:48
I just love a petalty o. The fact that, like when they had
27:49
their meeting with all the assaiance, like Oberof's desk is like six inches higher
27:55
than everyone else's, Like that's that's some little dick energy. Like same with
27:59
weird in the briefing room. No, yeah, you never noticed that this
28:04
is like above everyone else by like a lip in the weird like hexagonal table
28:12
on the same level. Mate, she rose it No new immediately, obra
28:19
os is the raised one because there was alding last week where Woolsey like Sati
28:29
slides and ship. Yeah, I'll show you the picture gas lighting piece of
28:33
ship mitchell a Suran City ship. What the Suran City ship like their version
28:44
of Atlantis taking off. Obviously we've seen that before in like the opening of
28:47
Rising. This is the first time you've seen it. It was very controversial
28:51
at the time, really vertical hyperdrive discuss it put the fair and into a
29:00
fervor when it first happened because everyone expected Atlantis to fly on the the X
29:07
or the Y axis, just like a city just flying. But it goes
29:12
like tip first. Yeah. So if they're standing out, they're standing out
29:15
in the deck and they look up above them, they're heading through the Yeah
29:19
yeah yeah. People were very like very divided on that whether that was cool
29:25
or whether that was cool. And that's the way I actually think that's the
29:29
way it's meant to be. Because if you're traveling in into what is that
29:36
the window the y in hyperspace, How annoying would it be those blurs coming
29:42
like you're traveling through it, whereas if it's just like it was coming down
29:47
like rain, almost it looked it was like the Light episode. And I
29:51
want to say, like trying to use like real world physics, which probably
29:56
doesn't track, but it's like like just even from a like force perspective,
30:00
like the amount of like force that is pushed against that, Like do they
30:04
have to create like a bubble around it so they don't get splattered anywhere?
30:10
But it's I just feel like structurally it seems more sound rather than like that
30:12
force being pushed on the front of it, of the theron all those little
30:18
tiny Well that's funny. I remember when Atlantis first plus you're standing on the
30:22
floor, yeah, so you have to go up. Well, no,
30:26
if you're standing if you're standing on the floor of gravity, yeah, if
30:30
you're standing on the floor of a ship, you're going this way like you're
30:33
going on what was it the X axis or the wire axis or whatever it
30:36
is. So it's just very different. But I do remember when Atlantis first
30:38
came out. I remember Craig and I talking about it. If you do.
30:41
Look at Atlantis on one of the piers. It just has these two
30:45
big triangles that have no windows in it and anything, and they almost look
30:48
like tail fins on like a big jet or a big plane or something like
30:52
that. And I remember us theorizing this like, oh, that might be
30:56
some kind of stabilizing rather type thing for it, for the way that flies.
30:59
So yeah, then like cut to you know, three years later or
31:00
two years or whatever. Yeah, and you're seeing it flying vertically. Well
31:06
because you see the bottom as it takes off, you do see the bottom
31:07
of the ship as underneath it. Yeah, it's very much at the bottom
31:11
in the center. So it makes the most sense. And maybe I reckon
31:14
now that you've said that that sort of is unlocked. Maybe something that's always
31:18
just scratched the back of my mind a little bit watching SG one when you
31:23
see Tucks. Yeah, yeah, like you just like you see a pyramid
31:30
flying through the air, flying through harperspace, and it's just moving sideways basically.
31:36
Yeah. That I don't know. Maybe it's just because it's it's because
31:38
otherwise than any other fandom or whatever, you don't see a pyramid that's the
31:41
spaceship really so that just looks weird because we're just used to seeing them in
31:45
the suns of Egypt, so them flying sideways through space is gonna look weird.
31:52
But maybe imagine we've seen hat tucks flying like point first, like pyramids,
31:57
because at least if you look at like the Dead Loss or you know,
32:00
a Millennium falcon or whatever fictional spaceship you can think of, you sort
32:07
of look at it and go, well, that's the back, that's the
32:07
front a pyramid. It's like, is there a tiny window where like the
32:12
chief ja'far is piling the bitch going through that? Sure, but like and
32:16
from the inside it looks like that's very clear. But you look on the
32:19
outside, you're like, all this looks the back looks like the side looks
32:22
like the front. It doesn't matter. So it would make more sense if
32:24
through hyperspace. Maybe it was apex first through yperspace. When they came out
32:30
into regular space, they did move sideways. Holly, you welcome. I
32:34
googled it. Left right is your x accis that's your y axis? I
32:39
couldn't remember what trauma. No, I've got no problem with it neither.
32:44
I think that looks I think it looks so much, and even just from
32:47
an aesthetic, like you guys said, it looks like it's raining, It
32:50
looks beautiful. It looks a lot better than if it was just coming at
32:53
you and going sideways. Yeah, sick. It's how I would feel like
32:59
when I said it, see them on the Dad List, just seeing that
33:01
shit. Imagine if it was just coming down that whole time, they look
33:06
way better. Yeah. But if you are one of those people trek nerds,
33:08
I'm just seeing like stars just like fly at your face. Yeah,
33:12
just a bookaki of stars in your face. If you are one of those
33:15
people that blew up, either when it happened or now as you're watching it
33:17
and you don't like it, and you would rather see it coming at you
33:21
on the X axis or something right in and tell us why, because I
33:24
would love to hear the argument because I never thought about that when it happened.
33:28
And you're just saying that that's that broke the fandom, I'm like,
33:30
yeah, but why this is? This seems like when you're entering hyperspace,
33:36
you're like you're folding space, so like direction doesn't really matter. Yeah,
33:40
in a lot of ways, if you think about it, like you know,
33:43
like yeah, so yeah, and plus the engines are on the bottom,
33:46
like we said, Prometheus it's on the back, Daedalus it's on the
33:50
back. Ye, So that jettison's you into the hyperspace with this. Yeah,
33:55
yeah, it tracks when you realize that there's engines. And like it
33:59
was established in the pilot that the engines on the bottom. We see Atlantis
34:02
take off from the Antarctica, and that's what would make sense if the attacks
34:07
like their engine and again, I know, any of the space ships in
34:10
sci fi, they just seem to hover because but like when they land on
34:15
their landing docks aka actual pyramids in the Setns of Egypt they land from,
34:21
they land vertically, they go down and they land onto it, and it's
34:23
like, well, their engines would be underneath to sort of you know,
34:25
thrust them up and down and whatnot, So that would make more sense,
34:29
whereas if they're in space and it's like, well maybe just momentum in my
34:32
brain. I kind of like the idea that because it's established that the Alder
34:37
Scavengers they didn't invent their own hyperdrive and invent nothing, that they stole all
34:43
the technology, so it's like, yeah, it's like, had they had
34:45
access to, say, ancient technology, it's like maybe they would have done
34:46
it that way. But it's like they just went, we'll just fly straight.
34:50
It's fine. Just they appropriated a culture that's literally the whole premises.
34:59
Even it did look cool, though, I mean, I know we've seen
35:02
it, like you said, but like we saw that before we saw Atlanta
35:07
says we've come to know it in this show, and then to yeah,
35:09
like two seasons later see it take. I mean, if we saw the
35:14
hour Atlantis Doro, that like that's it, whereas here it's like here's a
35:17
tiny piece of the Jigsaw being taken up and thrown into space. I think
35:22
I think if it was traveling through normal space and it was like like you
35:27
had to go form met brand and it literally like tip that way and it
35:30
was flying like you know, tower first or whatever, I think that would
35:32
look really really odd. Yeah, so I think, you know, I
35:35
mean, go go check it out. Get into geek review of the Loki
35:37
finale and seal the Time Tree thing, and Maddie's like, well, Loki's
35:44
now sitting sideways if you haven't seen it, that sentence makes no sense,
35:47
But go, well, I don't think. I'm definitely not going to spoil
35:52
anything. You'd have to under I mean, it's absolutely not. And as
35:55
you would say, Mattie, you've seen it and don't understand it. So
35:58
if you haven't seen it, I said, haven't ruined anything, because you'd
36:00
have to piece together. Moving on, absolutely, moving on, that's great.
36:06
I was actually just watching the episode, uh, barely writing notes for
36:09
this one. It was one of another one of those ones where it was
36:12
just enjoyable, just alonger the ride. McKay's doing his thing, Shepherd's getting
36:17
into his ear, making him put pressure on him, and he the double
36:21
joke of like how long it's like stuff asking me ridiculous questions. So it's
36:24
good seven and a half minutes. Does he feel better? No? I
36:29
wanted more. I forgot a way to create a glitch that on my command
36:32
should momentarily freeze them. Sure, okay, will I mean getting their tracks
36:37
like getting the pause button temporarily until they figure out how to override it.
36:39
So long, well, I don't know. That's why I said momentarily days,
36:44
hours, minutes. Well, look it's minutes, but I don't know.
36:46
That's what I was just saying to him, twenty okay, by you
36:49
want a number? Fin seven, seven minutes and thirty one seconds. You're
36:51
happy? No, no, you wanted a number, a bigger number.
36:54
It will be longer or shorter. I don't know. Look you, that
37:00
is so good. That is like, that's a high tech version of the
37:04
conversations I have with my dad when he's trying to send an email. But
37:08
how many attachments can I attach? I don't know. Yeah, seven,
37:14
but I need eight, I don't know, attachment and see if there's still
37:17
enough room. Like those are the kind of conversations that I have that need
37:27
I've got eight attachments here. That's a scene I would like to see the
37:30
table read of. Yeah, like obviously a bit a bit slower, but
37:34
as they start piecing it together, because I'm sure that scene is built a
37:37
lot. I don't know what percentage, but it's built a lot based on
37:39
the editing and how quick you can put those different lines of dialogue in single
37:44
shots or single character shots, editing them together to make it so fast.
37:47
But I reckon the cold table read or just watching them do it together and
37:52
try and make it a quicker, quicker, quicker, and actually doing it
37:53
better live on set that would have been amazing to watch. This was because
37:57
that's all down to the chemistry of those actors have been work can do with
38:00
each other two and a half years. And also that was Ronan saying how
38:05
long? Yeah, and then later I don't know if you have that grab
38:08
He's like, I was tortured something I don't want to repeat or whatever,
38:13
Oh I have that. Yeah. There was actually a line cut from that
38:15
as well. Okay, so I've got I added that in for you,
38:17
your minds are no longer being probe. It's good. It's just our mind.
38:23
Please don't make me set classic Robert secret hermophobia, whether it be taking
38:28
a poop, whether it be a finger, whether it be a whether you
38:32
know everybody likes a little ass. That was that was his line that was
38:39
cut. No. Yeah, he's like, I don't want to repeat what
38:45
it was, and he's like, what happened? Like you, I don't
38:51
want to repeat it? Said that My favorite McKay. It was early on
38:54
around when he's talking about how they didn't invent cars and stuff? What was
39:00
the race? No particular reason. The raids do not concern us. I
39:05
think didn' answer my question. I'm sorry you didn't actually answer my question.
39:10
Move on, Oh yeah Taylor was in this. Yeah, I'm just here
39:16
to speak properly. Yeah, we almost we almost got a free like cameo
39:22
from Joe Flanning in this episode two thousand and six. I'm sure we could
39:32
cut that together, him saying into at some point or really dodgy edit,
39:37
We'll take whatever you get. I mean, what have I been doing for
39:40
the last six years, eight years doing this? King of Dodgy edits speaking
39:46
of Dodgy though. I do have a little boned pick with this episode.
39:52
It's the introduction of the new Assuring weapons, showing you guys a picture of
39:59
what the you know, the Lanian weapons look like Lanthian replicator replicated weapons.
40:05
Yeah, one hundred thousand percent an absolute ripoff of the Bajoran Phaser from start.
40:15
Look look at it, it's a it's a it's a copy. But
40:23
I feel like the Cooper one is cooler. They've just given you it's cooler,
40:27
No doubt they're given us. This was made in nineteen ninety two,
40:30
so they're just giving it like a second level. But otherwise even just the
40:34
no, look, they've taken that bit out and put crystals in it.
40:37
Yeah, that's but like, yeah, they've got like you've got the topic.
40:38
Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm agreeing with you. And
40:40
it's the it's the handle as well that really sells it. Yeah, knockoff.
40:46
That's why. Look at it. Look look, look look at that.
40:50
I would say that, you would say this is a deserved like I'm
40:54
proud of that one that it's a sacrificial that's one. Is what I'm trying
40:59
to say. I'm gonna upload that on social. I don't know how to
41:01
do that because I don't have the loginsto our socials. I'm going to make
41:05
one of you guys. I'm sure they're there somewhere. I just don't they
41:09
keep logging me out. It's so annoying, I know, because every time
41:13
one of you trust to log in, I get a problemt on my phone.
41:15
It's very difficult. When I'm like, midpawn, is this you someone
41:22
in? Someone in the GAPO is trying to log in, I'm like,
41:24
hell, closed window, close private prows and go back into my Amazon account
41:30
just in case. When he's trying to look you can see what I'm doing
41:35
watching. My wife calls me, shut down, turn off my entirephone caller
41:37
back just in case something happens. What's that noise in the background? Nothing?
41:43
Shut up? I think how about our weapons? We can recover them
41:47
on the way for those keeping track of Ronan needing to get that was exactly
41:53
what I was just about to bring up, because had you not have mentioned
41:57
that, however many episodes ago, wouldn't never that would have been water for
42:00
ducks. But never would have thought of that anyway special, But I look
42:07
for it in every episode that O'Neil used to say that to break tack and
42:09
stuff going, where's our weapons? And we get the weapons to get to
42:13
escape. Yeah. I think it's like in the early season, remember when
42:15
we used to keep track of how many times Daniel like a random chick on
42:17
it? Like this is the new version of that. Yeah, those things
42:21
you don't realize happening all the time until someone hangs a lands on your trees.
42:27
See maybe maybe maybe where he was last week? Yeah, absolutely,
42:34
you're right, Yeah they're trees, mate. Maybe in s G one.
42:39
I always just looked that one because it's you know, and he's awesome,
42:45
and it's o neil and he's great. But I'm looking at that just going,
42:47
well, they they need order that they need those weapons because they needed
42:53
they actually need them to get out their defense, whereas in this I should
43:00
be looking I should be excusing it in Atlantis merely because Okay, they could
43:05
probably get what's a called well to bring them fresh weapons every couple of weeks
43:10
if they needed it, but otherwise they've only got a certain amount on Atlantis
43:15
that are human weapons that they're either trained for or have ammunition for. So
43:19
that would make its own sense. But then the fact that there's one gun
43:22
in the galaxy that Ronan uses that we absolutely have to get back, which
43:27
is why those lines and those little bits in the story has to exist.
43:30
But it's funny thing, just like when we started this podcast, I never
43:32
realized that for crying out loud was a jack. That's right, he used
43:37
a lot. I'd never picked up on that before, which now is like
43:40
being like someone who says, does twill really say indeed a lot? You
43:43
know what I mean? Like it's just sewing your face and like if you're
43:45
not looking for it, you don't see it. Yeah yeah, And then
43:49
he was doing that cool cowboy gun slinger thing. Oh yeah. At the
43:53
end, it only picked he picked that up in about five seconds and like
43:58
when they showed that him to his first episode or whatever, and just took
44:02
to it. And then I started bringing up, you got the thing set
44:06
to stun right, Yeah? Really? Click? Yes, fine, set
44:12
it to kill. Okay, okay click whoops. Well it's very loud this
44:19
time. Definitely wasn't already said to kill. It's always on kill. Look
44:24
at me. It's funny. I like, get to the end of it.
44:28
I was like, well, obviously that's not the obviously okay. One,
44:31
there's Atlanta's replicators back assurance, back on on their planet, and we've
44:37
already been told they've got the subspace thing, and and they even say the
44:42
hey, look they're already sending out ship, you know, I mean a
44:45
new body. He's ship they're reprogramming now. And then he you know,
44:47
he goes full like you know, Terminator three Arnie, like I must protect
44:52
the John Conner sort of thing, and he doesn't want it, but he
44:54
is programmed to do it. They just born pressed the button and he gets
44:58
his ship sucked straight up out into the in the space and like that's that's
45:01
that's one way to do it. That a button. I haven't seen that
45:06
button before. I feel like it should be covered with it shoots the whole
45:08
back of It's really big, ands to wasted. An entire jumper different,
45:15
different to the one that McKay had to use in Grace under pressure that he
45:17
had to go down low and get that just lowered the tail gates to get
45:21
on the water out. Yeah, that's like the emergency eject. I want
45:25
to say something. This is my last note. You know how he was
45:30
going through his whole rant about the history of the Replicators. They started as
45:36
the low grade. Oh you mean this the aggression program remained filling a rage
45:43
we could not contain. Yeah, and then at the end of that whole
45:46
spill, he's like, we we ended up evolving into you know, our
45:51
creators. Yea, the most efficient form, the most efficient form. And
45:54
then he points to Oberon, this fat guy in a cape like it's what
46:05
the peak of your civilization? If we can all look like him, we
46:08
would be Yeah, we would not be as aggressive. This is evolution at
46:14
its finest. That's why we chose him as our lead. Dad bar five
46:17
thousand, Like do they say like like even in human history, like body
46:22
standards change, like if we were in ancient Roman times, out of the
46:27
three of us, I would be the most attractive man in the room,
46:30
like just because it's got to do with your wealth and status. Yeah,
46:32
yeah, So it's just weird that it's just like yeah, body tops so
46:36
yeah, I guess insurance, fat, bald and where you don't even have
46:37
to go back there, what was it sixty years or whatever? They like
46:40
Marilyn Monroe, like whenever they make a movie about her, now it's like
46:44
she's a stick figure, she's added armist or whatever. They're like, no,
46:46
she was thick. Yeah, that's like that was you know, you
46:51
didn't want to be skinny, whereas now it's like if you're not skinny,
46:53
you're a pig. It's likely depending on what they needed to be, fat
47:00
is beautiful. Yeah, why you find big big butts have made to come
47:04
back in the last like five ten years, which they obviously you know,
47:07
linked to the Kardashians. But it's like everyone wants a dumb truck now,
47:10
Yeah, but you don't want the you don't want the silicon implants. You
47:14
want the real those doing this ladies like them real thick and Jill. See
47:22
it's yeah, I'm just I think with that, I'm just waiting until you
47:25
know, pale chubby and Harry comes back in for blokes and I am.
47:31
I assume it was some time alone Robin Williams to be the peak of male
47:39
Yeah, it's it's it's almost like, you know the thing, you know,
47:43
my wife's it's not quite as yours is fine, the big ones hurt
47:46
type thing. It's it's it's almost the equivalent. It's like, I know,
47:51
like someone who you know, if you see like someone that's really fit
47:55
and yeah, just chisel jacked or whatever, and it's like, yeah,
47:59
no, I'm just I'm not into that really, you know. It's like
48:01
I'm not into that really hot look or something like that, you know,
48:05
And I'm like, oh yeah, oh yeah that will You're welcome, and
48:07
also just let me go and cut myself, like I don't want to go
48:10
with abs. Yeah it gross. Like you know, I love something ugly,
48:14
people say, I love having something. I love having a lot to
48:17
grab onto. You know, shut up, you's making this better. You've
48:22
got a great personality. But you're cute. Ah, kill me, kill
48:25
me, jesus. Never been hot. I've been cute a couple of times.
48:29
You know that's fine, absolutely, And now I'm old enough just to
48:34
take the piss out of it all. It's like, well, I can
48:37
hate me more than me. Hey, the grass is always greener, but
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just just hard to mow. That's a great line. Great line. I
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could hear the eye roll in that direction, but I can hear the eye
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roll. Oh yeah. And then on old monotone Mate, I think just
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before they cut to it, I was like, hang on, wouldn't wouldn't
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he still will be out there like alive or not even live, functioning in
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space. And then they just like almost like the end of some weird x
49:05
Folese thing, they just cut back to space, and I forget what it's
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a reference with that Simpsons episode where there's like the little the little mister Burns
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in the egg just floating, which is a reference to some He's up there
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like doctor freezing with mister Biggles. Yeah, mechanical cat, that's what over
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off big, Yeah, it's freaking freezing up here. Yeah, we we're
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gonna see old mate again. Like how long does he take to be like
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sucked in for the gravitational pool of that planet? U and said, we
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the ship come and pick him up because he's sending out subspace. They could
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he's frozen. You can't do anything. He's did he freeze over as it
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closed to black? Is that what I was supposed to He's in the vacuum
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of space. No, I get that, but like, you know,
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he's a really really really really advanced machine at the moment right now, he's
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like he's like a MacBook with the circle that's spinning circle day. It's just
50:04
yeah, yeah, okay, or or if you're a Windows person, it's
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the hourglass. He's hourglassing right now. Yeah, I just wanted to like
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get rebooted, and he's like forgot about the rage thing again, like you
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know that's some thing got sent out, and yeah, pulling the Tesla mode
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lesque waiting around, that's what he's doing, just waiting, waiting for my
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crack again. All right, So I mean, yeah, his butt flaps
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open like he's just waiting for a charge. Plug me in, coach.
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So yeah, I mean being the rep lator is being Robert c Keeper,
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pushing this forward and making it happen. This is not the last we're going
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to see that. They pretty much say that on the balcony as well.
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Yeah, like that'll be back and we'll be ready. John, Elizabeth,
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did you were there? You were really diplomatic, were so diplomatic, and
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well, the same information about the scenario that I do. Somehow that doesn't
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stop women from asking, Yeah, these equivalent of those who watching a movie
51:06
together. She's like, who's that guy? He's like, I don't know.
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