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The Witch is Back · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. I'm not going to move much at all.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a life choice you've made.
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  Speaker 3: I'm right here.
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  Speaker 2: Life choices.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: This is Lane Hughes from the film You're Next, VHS,
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  Speaker 4: Horrible Way to Die, and Popsicle.
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  Speaker 5: You're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: All my life I've been looking for my day I've
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  Speaker 2: been looking for.
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  Speaker 1: My day It's showtime.
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  Speaker 6: The following feature has been rated R by the Motion
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  Speaker 6: Picture Association of America. It is intended for mature audiences
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  Speaker 6: and parental discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 7: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million.
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  Speaker 3: Kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 7: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm Jacqueline.
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  Speaker 2: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from,
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  Speaker 2: what did we call this place last time?
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 2: Make up something new.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, um.
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  Speaker 2: Grindel's House of Fun.
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  Speaker 1: I was about to say like the procrastination destination or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It goes well with your I'm not moving.
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  Speaker 1: Plan that you had earlier. No, I haven't. I did
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  Speaker 1: not take off my sweatpants.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't going to call you out for that, so
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  Speaker 2: you've done it to yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm proud.
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  Speaker 2: So, we're on location here, hanging out. Have you seen
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  Speaker 2: anything lately that's not this movie we're about to get into?
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  Speaker 1: Hang on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I have seen movies recently. I know
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  Speaker 1: I have. What did I go to the theater to
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  Speaker 1: see recently? I mean, I saw Moonlight. This is after Moonlight.
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  Speaker 1: I love Moonlight.
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  Speaker 2: We can return to that. On the Oscars special.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we can. Man, it's like sweeping every award show
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: It's a toss-up, though.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like, okay, so we're going to let it
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  Speaker 1: win everything but the Oscars.
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  Speaker 2: Except the Oscars, because there's a way big flashy thing
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  Speaker 2: that's going to win the Oscars. And picture it probably will.
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood loves Hollywood. It's a movie about Hollywood. They love
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  Speaker 2: movies about film anyway, so... On top of that, it
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  Speaker 2: is pretty good. Acting, it's a toss-up. They might not
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  Speaker 2: give it to What's-His-Face. They might give it to Moonlight.
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  Speaker 2: I think Emma's got a pretty good shot.
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  Speaker 1: Trevante. His name is Trevante something.
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  Speaker 5: I think.
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  Speaker 2: I just hear good things about him.
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  Speaker 1: He's just a beautiful man, and so I followed him
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: Not Ryan.
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 2: That's sort of the... I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's old news. Trevante, he's fresh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. See, that's what I'm saying. It might be one
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  Speaker 2: of those you're a pretty impressive kid right out of
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  Speaker 2: the gate kind of wins. Those don't happen much, but
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  Speaker 2: every once.
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  Speaker 5: In a while.
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  Speaker 2: He's 26 years old. But still, for Hollywood, that is
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  Speaker 2: like an infant. Yes. Compared to the 90-year-old people voting,
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  Speaker 2: he is a baby.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was saying he's 26, but he looks
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  Speaker 1: much older because.
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  Speaker 2: He's so developed. Does he?
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  Speaker 1: You know how last year I was like all blushing
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  Speaker 1: about Oscar Isaac.
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  Speaker 2: All right, all right.
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  Speaker 1: This year, Trevante, what's his name?
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  Speaker 2: Trevante, what's his name?
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. I'm sweating right over here.
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  Speaker 2: Just in case you're out there, Trevante, listening. She may
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  Speaker 2: not know your name, but she's all about you.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. I'm sure he knows.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure if you win the Oscar, people will eventually
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  Speaker 2: know your name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No offense. So.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen anything recently besides this movie?
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  Speaker 2: Again, I had to double check. I'm like, that's the name,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So last, in the past week on the wonders that
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  Speaker 2: is Netflix, I watched Dog Eat Dog.
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  Speaker 1: Dog Eat Dog.
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  Speaker 2: So like, I usually play the game that I think
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  Speaker 2: everybody plays, which is you get on Netflix and you're like,
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  Speaker 2: that looks kind of interesting. Not right now. hmm, no,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that was on here. That's cool. Not
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  Speaker 2: right now. And then like an hour and a half later,
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  Speaker 2: when you could have already watched an entire movie, you're like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe this one. And then I just go to sleep anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So sometimes I will like combat that by knee jerk
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  Speaker 2: reaction of like the first one I get to that's like, huh,
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  Speaker 2: I'll just hit it. I'm just like play. And by
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  Speaker 2: then it's too much trouble to stop it. That was
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  Speaker 2: dog eat dog. It was just like, oh, this looks
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  Speaker 2: like a train wreck that I'm going to enjoy. Because
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  Speaker 2: I did that once or twice in the last year
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  Speaker 2: because like every 15 minutes, Nicolas Cage makes a new movie.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And it goes right on Netflix because God forbid anybody
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  Speaker 2: wants to watch these things. So this was another... Again,
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  Speaker 2: I thought I couldn't tell exactly what it was by it.
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  Speaker 2: I just kind of... It's Nicolas Cage and Willem Dafoe.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And even weirder, once I got into it, like directed
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  Speaker 2: by Paul Schrader. So I'm like, that's... kind of a
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  Speaker 2: big name to be pulled into a silly nicholas cage
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  Speaker 2: movie so i mean it's it's based on a novel
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  Speaker 2: it's like its own by the end i was just
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  Speaker 2: like it's not even like train wreck fun like i've
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  Speaker 2: watched a couple of nicholas cage movies i'm like oh
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  Speaker 2: that was ridiculous and i'm glad i watched it this
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  Speaker 2: wasn't really that this was like that was a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of gangsters doing gangster shit but It replaced gangsters with
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  Speaker 2: bad thieves and wannabe kidnappers. It's just sort of crime drama-ish,
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  Speaker 2: but not compelling crime drama. It is based on a novel,
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  Speaker 2: but it kind of feels like it's based on a
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  Speaker 2: pulpy novel from years ago, which I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: that old. It feels kind of like a schlocky crime
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  Speaker 2: drama that just happened to get recognizable names attached to it.
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  Speaker 1: Very bizarre. Yes. does that mess with your dreams like
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  Speaker 1: right before you go to sleep is like willem dafoe nicholas.
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  Speaker 2: Cage nothing can be more frightening than him in a
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  Speaker 2: snickers commercial so i mean him dressed in that white
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  Speaker 2: dress is enough to haunt me i don't i don't
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  Speaker 2: think anything although no we do see him like kind
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  Speaker 2: of hooking up with women in this which is a
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  Speaker 2: frightening thing and him getting a weird massage from this woman. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's weird. It's the kind of things I guess Willem
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  Speaker 2: Dafoe would have to do if he wasn't Willem Dafoe.
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  Speaker 5: No offense.
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  Speaker 2: He's a great actor, but he's a weird dude. Out
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  Speaker 2: in the world, he's not bagging chicks. I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is probably the life if you're Willem Dafoe.
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  Speaker 1: Those are two weird looking people.
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  Speaker 2: Two weird looking dudes. And there's a third one that
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It was Christopher Matthew Cook. It's three guys.
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  Speaker 2: He's the other one. So how do you get to
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  Speaker 2: be the third in that trio? But He's fine. Like,
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  Speaker 2: he does a good job as well. Like, not even
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  Speaker 2: Nicolas Cage is, like, hammy, really. He's normal. Like, he
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  Speaker 2: can turn in great performances and ridiculous performances. This is
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  Speaker 2: just sort of middle of the road for him. Like
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  Speaker 2: I said, it's not even, like, train wreck bad. It's just, huh. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was a movie.
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  Speaker 1: What was that one where he was a wizard?
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  Speaker 2: Season of the Witch. He was fighting witches. No, the
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  Speaker 2: wizard one is Sorcerer's Apprentice? Yeah, yeah. That's the Disney-produced one.
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  Speaker 2: that he's a wizard. I'm pretty sure there's another one
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  Speaker 2: in there, he's probably a wizard. That seems like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you got that many.
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  Speaker 1: He was Doctor Strange before Doctor Strange.
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  Speaker 2: You got that many castles to pay off, you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: make a lot of wizard movies along the way, and
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  Speaker 2: they're all gonna end up on Netflix. So, yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: was my recent viewing. Not really steering people away from it,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not telling you to run to it either.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a movie, and there's some people in it.
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  Speaker 5: Yup.
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  Speaker 1: I re... I don't know what got into me, but
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, I decided, I own this movie,
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  Speaker 1: I decided to re-watch King Kong.
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  Speaker 2: Which King Kong?
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  Speaker 1: The more recent, like 2004, whatever. Jack Black.
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  Speaker 2: I was just trying to think, who's the one that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't match in that one?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Adrian Brody.
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  Speaker 3: Jack Black.
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking that today because, yeah, one of the
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  Speaker 2: other things I watched had Naomi Watts in it. And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, why do I know? Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: King Kong.
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  Speaker 1: And The Ring, right? She was in The Ring?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Which now they're doing again.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to address that later in this episode.
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: We keep coming back to the same turn of the
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: last century horror movies that made a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, what if we kind of do that again? So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: now there's a Rings coming out. Not with a Z.
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  Speaker 2: It should be with a Z because it's from the streets. Rings, dog.
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  Speaker 1: Like wing zone.
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  Speaker 2: So what was your take on rewatching of King Kong?
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  Speaker 1: It was really weird to watch like a Hollywood, epic
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood movie. I haven't seen one of those.
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  Speaker 2: I watched those.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it was like.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't mind those. I have an appreciation for
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  Speaker 2: those as much as weird indie movies.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't even mean like... like I've, you know,
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  Speaker 1: seen plenty of well Hollywood produced movies this past year,
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  Speaker 1: but this was supposed to be like this epic. And
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  Speaker 1: of course it was quite the epic.
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  Speaker 2: By epic you mean Peter forgot how to edit? Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And just like the big swelling music and like the
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  Speaker 1: very dramatic performance. I just hadn't seen like this I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, super duper.
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: That level of cheesy Hollywood business.
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mainstream. All of the humor is even this cheeky,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, silly humor.
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  Speaker 2: There's some really good stuff in that. It's not bad
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  Speaker 2: all around.
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  Speaker 1: No, of course not. I was enjoying myself. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel compelled to watch it for any other reason than
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  Speaker 1: it felt comfortable watching.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a sucker for that 76. I love the cheesiness
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  Speaker 2: of that one. That's Dino De Laurentiis doing the cheesiest
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  Speaker 2: version of King Kong ever. Old school movie geeks will
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  Speaker 2: burn you at the stake for that because it's the
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  Speaker 2: original or nothing, which don't get me wrong, that one's amazing,
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  Speaker 2: but something about that 76 one is so fun. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like, I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: I still want to see this Shin Godzilla.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we watched the trailer. I remember that looked
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  Speaker 2: pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and apparently it's, like, really political. Like, the movie
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  Speaker 1: is much more about, like, the politics and, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of seeing how bureaucracies would handle, like, a major, like,
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  Speaker 1: big-ass lizard.
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  Speaker 2: What do we do when a monster attacks us?
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  Speaker 1: People were really liking Godzilla and Shin Godzilla because he
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  Speaker 1: was just, like, a mean-ass bitch. Again, like, unlike... the
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  Speaker 1: more recent Godzilla where he's kind of a good guy
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  Speaker 1: in there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, even in the original series, it went back
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  Speaker 2: and forth. It started off like he was the villain
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  Speaker 2: and then eventually he's just a wrestling superhero. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he should have had a giant Godzilla cape because he
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  Speaker 2: really was by the end. He would just jump in
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  Speaker 2: and save the day for Tokyo, for Mother Monsters, which
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: is kind of how the last one ended up sort
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  Speaker 2: of being, so... I don't know. I'm still interested to
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  Speaker 2: see it, assuming they come back. They're supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: coming back with another Godzilla. I thought they were, just
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  Speaker 2: because that one made enough money. They're just like, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's making real movies, so I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: they're going to get.
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  Speaker 1: What's a real movie?
• 12:27
  Speaker 5: Rogue One.
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  Speaker 2: That was him, I believe.
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  Speaker 1: I remember making that comment about Darth Vader.
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  Speaker 9: Big, similar.
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  Speaker 2: I think he got his timing down a lot better
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  Speaker 2: on Rogue One, so it'll be interesting to see him
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  Speaker 2: come back, assuming they get.
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  Speaker 5: Him to come back.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was, though. I thought he had a
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  Speaker 2: deal already in the works, so we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like doing Godzilla, it's not like, that's not
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  Speaker 1: bottom of the barrel stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty good. Big time. For sci-fi, you know, that's
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  Speaker 2: high end. That's about as big as you're going to get.
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  Speaker 1: Top shelf.
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  Speaker 2: Especially the, well, nobody likes our versions in this country,
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  Speaker 2: but in general, fans overall love Godzilla. Yeah. I'd be
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  Speaker 2: glad to make a Godzilla movie.
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  Speaker 1: Any kind of dinos.
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  Speaker 2: I will gladly make a giant Godzilla movie. It works
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  Speaker 2: for me. And you can come back to Kong in
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  Speaker 2: the near future. Skull Island's right around the corner. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know. There's another Kong movie coming out, I believe,
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  Speaker 2: this year. Cool. In the near future. Skull Island.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know who it was. They replaced some of them.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like they could kind of just throw all
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  Speaker 2: those people back in. I'm like, Adrian Brody, yeah, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: good enough. Naomi Watts was pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't like all those people together. It's like, sure,
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  Speaker 1: Adrian Brody, fine. Sure, Jack Black. Sure, Naomi Watts. I
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: don't want to see them in a movie together.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: I kind of want to see a road movie with
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: those three. Getting into wacky adventures that may or may
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  Speaker 2: not involve a giant gorilla.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if it was a cowboy movie, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Cowboy Adrian Brody. Something about that seems off, but it
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  Speaker 2: seems like something he'd do. Yeah. He's kind of always.
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  Speaker 1: He's a man in a black hat.
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  Speaker 2: He's kind of always doing something ridiculous, so.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll take our break now and come back for
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  Speaker 2: this week's movie.
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  Speaker 3: P.S.
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  Speaker 10: I am a witch and I have.
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  Speaker 8: Conjured you for my bidding. And all my charms and
• 14:45
  Speaker 8: all my accidents.
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  Speaker 2: Are all just instruments to lock you up.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Drink.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: A drink. Ice cold.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: A drink.
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  Speaker 10: Delicious golden orange ice lollies.
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  Speaker 3: Made from the juice of a whole orange.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: Are you a mirage?
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, I am.
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  Speaker 10: But golden orange isn't.
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  Speaker 6: Prince of darkness, hear me. They call him Luther the Berserk,
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: but his blood brother is called Lucifer.
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  Speaker 2: I command you to appear.
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  Speaker 6: Their form is human, but they have crossed over. Spawn
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  Speaker 6: of the devil, master of black arts. It's been 50
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: years since a man looked at me like that. Where
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: the weird rites of the supernatural sensualists defy description. No
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: one is safe when the Witchmaker walks a trail of terror.
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  Speaker 6: Are you ready to meet the Witchmaker?
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  Speaker 5: So.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: You guys know we're broke, right?
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: We're always broke.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I know. And yet we're trying to put this show together.
• 17:24
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• 17:27
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• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 17:33
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• 17:38
  Speaker 2: out of their pockets?
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• 20:25
  Speaker 10: What is that?
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: The guy who uploaded this video said it was from
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: a tape he found in the Black Hills woods.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: I think that might be my sister.
• 20:39
  Speaker 10: You really think your sister could still be out there
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: after all these years?
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: If there is any chance that I could find out
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: what happened to her, I need to try.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Legend said there's been a curse on these woods.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Do you believe in the stories about the Blair Witch?
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: Oh my God.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: This looks familiar.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: We've been walking in a circle.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: No way. They're everywhere. Who could have done this?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: You did this?
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: This way. Come on! There's something out there. We found it!
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: That's not your sister.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: That can't be her.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Come on!
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Get in the corner!
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
• 22:02
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• 22:53
  Speaker 9: All right, we are back with this week's movie.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: This week's Sofa Theater feature is Blair Witch. The year
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: is 2016. The director, Adam Wingard. And the plot, do
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: you want to go with IMDb or do you want
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: to hear Google read to us?
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Google, read to us.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: A man and his friends venture into the Black Hills
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: forest in Maryland to uncover the mystery surrounding his missing sister.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Many believe her disappearance 17 years earlier is connected to
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: the legend of the Blair Witch. At first, the group
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: is hopeful, especially when two locals act as guides through
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: the dark and winding woods. As the night wears on,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: a visit from a menacing presence soon makes them realize
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: that the legend is all too real and more sinister
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: than they could have ever imagined.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Google. That was way better. The one on
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: IMDb had a weird punctuation issue, and yeah, it had problems.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: So that was much better, and with that, spoiler alert,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: because we are going to ruin the hell out of this,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: and it just showed up on your home viewing systems.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: So if you haven't seen it, just telling you now,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: we're going to spoil the hell out of it. So...
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I'm interested to see your take on this since you
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: were already leading as we didn't start talking about it
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: with not overwhelmingly positive thoughts.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: No, I definitely do not have overwhelmingly positive thoughts. There
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: are several things that I like about this movie and
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I wrote all of those down, but the list of
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: things that I didn't like about this movie is much longer.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think I had that I don't think I
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: had that big a problem with it. But again, I
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: always try to put them in context and look at
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: them as what they are and how they got made
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and what they're trying to do.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: So I.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Will say I don't I don't I wouldn't say I
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: dislike it. I think it's a pretty decent modern horror movie.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: What it isn't is the Blair Witch Project. The Blair
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Witch Project was a game changer. Like it completely turned
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the tables on the entire horror system at that time.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: It used an entire new medium to promote itself and
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: to kind of like dupe the American public. And it
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: was like bonus points on that end. But on top
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: of that, it's also an amazing movie just as a
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: separate film that what it's doing was so unconventional that
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: it's just impressive as a film on top of that.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: This doesn't really do those things.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: No. And if they had just come out with another
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Blair Witch Project, an updated Blair Witch Project, almost even
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: shot for shot, I probably would have loved it still.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: But The things that they changed about the timing of
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the movie, the production, the acting, of course, the jump scares,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of which there are billions.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: A lot of jump scares.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: And in the original, you didn't have that. It was
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like you heard maybe a stick break in the distance.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And they go, who is that? And that was it.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It was creepy. And there were a couple of moments
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: where it was like out of control scariness. Yeah. But
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: it still wasn't ever jump scare. It was, oh, fuck,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: what's going on? It was a lot more of like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: what are we in the middle of right now?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And sometimes those were contained. And it was like, okay,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: things are out of control. Things are out of control.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And then it would calm back down and become a
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: little mundane again. And this one, it was like, boom, crash, scream.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Ashley! Ashley!
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: It just hits the halfway point.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Not even the halfway point. I felt like there was
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: maybe 20 or 30 minutes of the build up and
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: then the rest of the movie was this spiral.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I feel like going back, I watched it again today
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I think there is a turning
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: point in it. I kind of don't want to address
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: that yet. I want to get into what... Because to
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: To touch on the original, I also will still make
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: that joke all the time. Anytime you're looking for somebody
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: or lost or whatever, at any point I'm probably going
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: to yell out, Josh! Because that's half of the original
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: movie is them screaming Josh. So yeah, Ashley becomes the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: new Josh. In that sense, anyway. I think I wouldn't
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: have been happy had they done a remake. And this
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: is funny because you were there for this previous discussion.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I feel like as I get into it, I kept
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: making these same little connections that I did with Star Wars.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Probably more than anything, The Force Awakens. Because I'm like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: it's kind of trying to do both things. It wants
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: to be a sequel, but it's been so long, it's
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: kind of got to go back and hit all the
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: points that the original did. to bring in people who
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: weren't there for the original because anytime they make a movie,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: specifically a horror movie now, they're always trying to bring
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: in the kids. They're always trying to bring in what's
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: going to bring in the teen audience because that's where
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: money comes from in horror movies is if you get
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: a big enough response, you bring in all the teenagers
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: that weekend and you get your opening weekend and then
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: two weeks later you're gone because that's how every movie works.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: So if you don't get that huge opening weekend, if
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: you don't bring in the young demographic, you don't make
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: your money back. So, I feel like they're definitely playing
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: that game where there's so many times when they're like, hey,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: remember that story? Some of you probably heard before. We're
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: going to tell it again. So it's like they still
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: kind of got to mention a coffin rock and they
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: got to make mention of the old guy in the
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: house killing kids. And it's like, if you're around the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: first time, you know these stories already and you heard
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: them already told and better the first time. But they
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: still kind of have to hit those little plot points
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: of like, okay, we got to get this in. assuming
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of kids haven't watched an ancient movie from 1999,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: that's old and lame. We're not going to watch that.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: So it's like, we're watching this new movie. So we've
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: got to get all those like plot points worked in
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: there along the way. But at the same time, we
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: want to do new stuff too. So it's like, I
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: feel like it was that same thing. It was like,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: it's that same thing they're trying to do going into
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: force awakens is we don't want to be a straight
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: up remake shot for shot but we kind of have
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: to reboot the franchise or at least to make this
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: story work we have to bring people in on the
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: things that were going on in the last one but
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: still not completely retread it and be the exact same
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: movie which And you think that sometimes it falls into
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: that trap.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Trying to tie it to the original, like kind of
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: bogged down the movie or like held it back in
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: some ways.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I like the idea. Again, I don't want a shot
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: for shot remake because I always say like, I don't
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: know what there is to do with that. Like, I
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: feel like I'd much rather you take the basic concept
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and go do your own thing. And there's moments when
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: they do that. Like, I do kind of like the
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: fact that it's not like if it were just random
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: kids back out in the woods. But the fact that
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Heather has a little brother.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: And he grew up with her being gone all this time. So, like,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: it does make sense he would be like, I want
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: to know what the hell happened to her.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the premise is good, for sure.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Like, maybe you wouldn't go wander out in the woods, but, like,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: he would spend your whole life kind of, like, messed
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: up about the fact that your sister disappeared.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Was kidnapped or murdered or God only knows. Yeah, they
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: created a.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Great, like, reason for them to go back into those woods.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: And the other thing I was going to say is
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: it's only been... 17 years or so, but in that time,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: technology is so different. So in that short span of time,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: all the new stuff that I'm like, okay, you really
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: can make almost from a technical standpoint, an entirely different
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: movie because tiny cameras now versus that giant film camera
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: that Josh is lugging around. Yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Um, I feel like they could have done, um, they
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: could have done that, but I mean, I liked that
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: they used the drone, um, The drone was interesting. I
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: haven't seen that in any found footage so far, and
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense to me.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And it seems like, yeah, it seems like it would
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: have been the first thing they all jumped on, because
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they're using it for their helicopter shots anyway.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: So you think they just work it into the plot
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: like they do.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: And having the little tiny cameras on the ears, so
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: it could be point of view.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: And that actually makes it, this is maybe the first
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: found footage movie that I'm like, okay, it almost makes
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: sense why we have all this footage. Because every other one,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: there's so many that I'm like, this is stupid that
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: you're still filming. That you're still holding a camera up
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: to your face trying to shoot coverage of everything.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Cloverfield.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: What's the freaking superhero one? That one makes no sense.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: What's it called? I know what you're talking about.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Fuck, what is that one? This is why my brain
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: locks up now.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: It's useless.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I like that in that movie, though, they used some
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: interesting things like traffic cams and stuff like that.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: But again, that's the part I feel like, okay, you're
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: really reaching now. Because I'm like, who's piecing all this together?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Who got the okay from the quickie mart to go
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: get their camera from behind the counter when somebody smashed
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: through the building? It seems really far-fetched that all this
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: got pieced together into one thing. Where at least in this,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: it's like, as long as those cameras are on, they're
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: on your head, they're running... They're readjusting themselves so they
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: can see. Some of them have lights built in. And
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: everything you are looking at to react to, the camera's
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: picking up. So, like, for once, like, granted, it got
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: all edited together. But with the exception of that, which
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: still kind of seemed weird even in the original Blair Witch.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: It's like, who the hell added to this thing?
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: And put it in a log. But, yes, I mean,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: this is kind of that same thing. But for the
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: most part, everything else makes sense why we're at least
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: seeing all these things. Because it's truly POV. We really
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: are getting this thing attached to their head. And it
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense that you would hold a camera up
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: while you're trying to not die. But when it's stuck
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: on your ear, you're not going to know the difference.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: You're just trying to run away from whatever monster is
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: coming after you. So from that aspect, I kind of
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: like the new technological improvements. We've changed it so that
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: there is almost a reason to go back out there.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Plus the other huge one was GPS. I mean, it
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: existed that far back in the military, but not everybody
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: had it on them all day long like we do now.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: So in that short span of time, like now it's not,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: let's spend 45 minutes talking about the map. Like they're
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: logged into a GPS system. Like they should never have
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: to worry about getting lost. So that makes it extra
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: weird when that stuff happens. I mean, to me, like
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: people can't follow a map anyway, normally, but like when
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: you're logged into GPS and following through, like it, it
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: upped the ante of like, okay, you guys are set.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Like you don't have anything to worry about and they
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: still are the first, like get thrown into a nightmare.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: So it's like, that stuff is kind of cool to
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: get piled on there. I don't know. I, it, I
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: think where it goes wrong is that same thing. It's
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: like it's not breaking any new ground.
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: With the exception of the new additional stuff from 17 years.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, as far as what they're trying to do,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think they connect the way that they're supposed to.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: And this is what I was trying to figure out today.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: And I wanted to see what your take on it was.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Because in rewatching it, I'm like, because when I watched
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: it the first time, I was like, well, it was fine.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, I think the difference was for me
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: that initial time was like, I just didn't feel connected
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: yeah and i'm like by the end of that like
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: you felt so connected to like heather and mike and
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: josh are like people you know like yeah in that
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: same span of time and i'm like well i guess
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: we logged in a good amount of time with them
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and i'm watching the the new one the second time
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: through and i'm like we spend a lot of time
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: with them so i'm like we we get them hanging
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: out at the house talking, playing video games. We got
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: them going to a bar. We've got them like antics
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: in the hotel room. We've got hanging around the campfire.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: All this is really before anything gets going. So we've
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: logged in like 20 minutes or more of these people
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: just being themselves. So why is it we don't feel connected?
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't like the characters. So I think it's
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: like part of that. And I felt like a lot of,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: It was very overacted by most of them. Peter... Peter was.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Just kind of a dick. Peter was kind of a dick.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: But him being a dick and being hostile was like,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I feel you a little bit more.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Somebody was going to do that. So you kind of
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: assume in a group of people, somebody's going to... Especially
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: when you're under that much duress. Somebody's going to snap
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: a little and be like, dude, I'm going to kick
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: your ass.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: And I think because... I felt like the overacting took
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: me out of these are just mundane, everyday people that
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I'm connecting to. It's not just that they're, like, playing
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: video games and, like, having a good time. It's, like,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: they're playing video games and having a good time. And, like,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: they have, like, this very, like, scripted, overacted dialogue that
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, I can't. You're taking me out of it. Like,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: That is a difference, I guess, because this one was
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: 100% scripted. Blair Witch Project was not. It was a
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: lot of, you guys go wander around in the woods.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: We're going to keep the camera rolling. Go make up
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: some dialogue. A lot of that, them bored sitting next
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: to a tree was just whatever they said next. I
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: guess it would have to have a little more natural
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: feel to their creating a relationship.
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: Of course.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: And these, you know, in this one, they're like looking for,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: like they're trying to solve a mystery.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: So they can't be totally like, we're just.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Hanging out in the woods. I mean, they were kind
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: of doing that. It was not a specific mystery. It
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: was more of a general overview, tell the story kind
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: of mystery.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: But not like I'm looking for my sister. I'm going
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: to talk about my sister. We're going to have these
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: private conversations and. And it's going to be kind of emotional.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Well, not a beat for beat. Like, where did you
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: find the footage? Where did she go next? It was
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: actually them trying to piece down exactly what happened to
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: her versus the, hey, you guys ever heard about that witch?
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: It was a way more general broad thing.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like going and looking for the boogeyman is
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the first one. And this one's... Where's my sister?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Without my daughter. Climb under the bed. They've kidnapped her.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: See, I was kind of surprised. The fact that I
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: didn't hate any of them, really. Because usually in slasher
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: horror movies in general, like the teens out in the scene,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: like hanging out in the woods are obnoxious.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is when I'm trying to decide
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: if this is where we're going, because I felt like
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: they're almost so generic. because they're trying not to be offensive. Yeah.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Like 80s slasher teens are just freaking obnoxious. All they
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: do is have sex and do drugs and get drunk
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: and are just obnoxious all day long. And you can't
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: wait for them to die. Like in this new post
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: 2000s era, which is odd because that's also coming off
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: of Blair Witch Project. But like, cause I kept saying
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: that about those weird remakes of the other reboots of
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: like Friday the 13th, especially Nightmare on Elm Street. Like
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: those kids are, Are so generic and kind of forgettable.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: And like they don't have any of that. Like I
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: called Nightmare out on that specifically. Like none of those kids.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Like not only do they not have sex. They don't
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: even seem like they interact like normal humans. Yeah. And
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I'm like this was not quite that bad. But like
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: they didn't act like normal kids out in the woods.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Even if they were there on a mission. Like they
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: were so professional. They were so business like.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: And I'm like.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: And they never even address, like, the one is a couple,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: but the other two, like, there's that half second of them, like, no,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: we're not, together. But I'm like, that should have, to
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: have some sort of real world aspect, there should have
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: been a moment of them like, so what's going on?
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: You got your own tent, right? So we're not, there
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: should have been a little more of them. Cause obviously
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: they spend a lot of time together and they're a
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: guy and a girl. And eventually you're going to get
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: to that. Like, so we're not okay. Good. You know,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: like you'd either spell it out or it would be like,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: it's just so not addressed. And then it's like, they
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: make that one offhand comment in the middle of things
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: going wrong that I'm like, almost as them trying to
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: address it. And then they never come back to it again.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's just not really how people work.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Like that's not realistic. That's very strange that like they,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: they never really decide. Cause even then we get that
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: comment of like, you, you can stay here in my
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: tent if you want. And I'm just like, all right,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: for a second, you seem kind of like a person
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: at least. And then they come back and nothing ever
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: comes up. I'm like, okay, now it's just a weird
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: offhand comment. Like you're not, nothing's going anywhere. Nothing's progressing
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: as relationships in real world related, like not even dealing
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: with a witch relationships, just the way relationships interact and
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: people interact and all of that. I don't know. That is,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I think the part that kind of leaves you, little
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: cold about this whole group of kids as they were
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: who were probably pushing 30 yeah but still kids in
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: quotes yeah so i don't know i think that was
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: where i ended up on it it's like i i
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: think there's something so genuine about those original three the
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: first time out and we don't really get that this
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: time yeah.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: That's kind of how it was for me with paranormal
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: activity too Like, not two, not the number two.
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: Also.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Paranormal activity also.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: In addition to.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What's the, Mika and, I don't remember, Katie.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I'm so, like, I said, it's funny because I was
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: going to reference them as we go along here, but
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, there's so many of those I haven't watched. Yeah. Like,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: there's so many paranormal activities and insidiouses and, like, all
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: the ones. Just the first one.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Paranormal activity one.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: But they all, like, they came out on the heels of.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Blair Witch Project and they were all like whether they
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: were found footage or not a lot of them were
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: just like we can take a real simple premise we
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: can take a pretty cheap budget and we can put
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: some genuine scares in there and we can have a
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: successful movie and you watch Paranormal Activities the first one
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: that even got close to doing what Blair Witch did
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and made a fortune doing it and so it's like
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: you see them kind of in a different direction still
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: trying to mimic the idea of the that general concept
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: of what they did on Blair Witch Project.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought that that couple was, like, genuine.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: And I thought, I was like, I know these people.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: They're making jokes that I would make at home. They're, like,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: you know, bickering in a way that I would bicker
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: with my partner. Like, they had just, like, a really,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: you know, subtle... They had tiny personalities instead of big,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: you know... written personalities.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: The one I just remember that I thought like both
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: times the very first time I watched it I was
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: like here's the part that seems really disingenuous in this
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: in this circumstance once we get away from the normal
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: goings on of them being a group of people And
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: we get into the shit. Like seriously, there's that halfway
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: turning point. And shit is going down. And nobody's going, wait,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: what the fuck's going on? Like somebody needs to be going,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: what just happened? Because some crazy stuff is happening at
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: that point. And nobody's addressing it. They're all just like.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Are you okay? Where's Ashley? What are we doing next?
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, no, no. Somebody needs to be
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: dealing with what you just saw because that's a huge
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: thing in this movie is you actually see everything that's
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: It's not just like kind of subtle, hidden. You'll hear
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: a noise off in the distance and you'll think, oh,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: maybe I see something for half a second. No, you
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: see things.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: That's one of the main things I was going to
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: go to. So I guess because we're leading into it,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: like to me, that's the difference. main difference between this
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: and Blair Witch Project and where we hit that weird
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: turning point because I feel like even up until halfway
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: in like until Basically, until the second time the stick
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: figures show up again. Right, yeah.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: And that's, like, the turning point. That's the turning point.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: But that's, I mean, in a way, like, that scene
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: is kind of awesome. Like, that may be my favorite
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: scene in the entire movie. That voodoo doll getting crushed.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: The her breaking the stick person. That was a big one. Again, that's, like,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the best thing in the movie. I think that reaction there.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: That imagery.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: And because you did not see that coming because we
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: never had any indication that they're like, if they would
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: have set it up, but like, there's that half second
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: of her going, this, this, this is my hair. This
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: is my hair. She grabs it. I'm like, oh shit.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Like that's the, like there should be 45 minutes of
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: somebody like. just rocking back and forth going, what just happened?
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: What just happened? What just happened? And we don't get
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: any of that. Like two minutes later, they're like, where's
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: our flashlight? Let's go over here by this tree. Like
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: they're very like freaked out, but still not the level
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: of freaked out they need to be having just witnessed that.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: But that I think is the major difference is because
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: everything that goes on in Blair Witch Project is, is
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: all still, as far as we the viewer know, real world. Like,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: there is not really anything supernatural that we ever see. Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: You hear creepy stuff, you see them react to things
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: that might be supernatural, maybe, if you want to buy that.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: But even, and by the end, it's still sort of like,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: what's your take on what happens anyway? Which, if You
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: go down one road that was kind of the one
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: I settled on. It's kind of a halfway step. And
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: in that step, nothing actual supernatural really happens in Blair
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Witch Project. This one, like from that point on, like
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: you watch the girl get snapped in half. The tent
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: flies up into the air. I'm like, you're physically watching
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: paranormal things take place. And I'm like, okay. we can't
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: play that game anymore it's not did something happen didn't
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: it we as the viewers at home in the theater
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: whatever just watched things happen yeah so now it is
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: a paranormal story like it is it takes that turn
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: so much so that by the end there's monsters chasing
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: them literally there's creepy figures hiding behind a tree there's
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: a monster running around a corner like it is definitely
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: a haunted house story by the end of it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the house is all paranormal in and of itself.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: The house changes with the people in it.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: So much so that the very end when they're in
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: that last room in the attic where the lights, I'm like,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: What was that, UFO lights? We took a different paranormal
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: turn for us. I was like, what road are we
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: going down now?
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: It could be UFO.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: It could have been giant ghosts. We don't know.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: It could have been rescue lights. It could have been
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the drone. It could have been.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: That was a big light. Could be a helicopter.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, helicopter.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Search helicopter. Why was nobody looking for them?
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was the Blair Witch turning it into Dave.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: again because you know she has the ability to do that.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: But then it went away again so i i don't
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: know like but that level of of real and i
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: real world in the fictional film world but in the
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: real world of these characters you physically see things happen
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: there's no denying it for you the viewer or these
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: characters anymore where so much of blair witch project is
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: what just happened? Like literally the characters themselves are sitting
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: there going, what the hell did we do? Cause there's
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: never really like, everything's just weird and creepy, but it's
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: all the kind of stuff that people could have done.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Like it doesn't ever.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: And that's what makes it terrifying.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: And by the end, even the really creepy stuff is like,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: still not really supernatural. It could have been acted upon
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: by a supernatural forces, which again is what the backstory is.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, everything is based around the witch, uh, then
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: forcing people to do things. But we don't get that here.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: We still have that kind of coming into play by
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: the end, but there's very definite witch moving shit around, physical,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: paranormal stuff going on. So I don't know. That's a
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: huge difference to me.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, because in the Blair Witch Project, you
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: had to, your imagination filled in the gaps.
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: And you had to use your imagination so that when
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: you were back at home, you heard a little something, you'd.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Be like, what's that?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Blair Witch. Oh my God. But in this movie, it's like,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: you know, Ashley, Ashley.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Kick that map in the creek. How many times I've
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: said that since 1999. But yeah.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: And in, in Blair Witch, you don't have to use
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: your imagination. It's all spelled out very deliberately for you.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Again, is what I'm thinking. And that's kind of why
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I was like, by the end, I'm like, To jump
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: back to my original point, I don't think it's a
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: terrible modern horror movie. I feel like it's in response
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: to all the things that have come since 1999. Paranormal
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Activity is playing with that same thing, but by the end,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: you see paranormal things.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: You see paranormal things you don't see... any you don't
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: see the actual thing I mean in later ones you
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: do because.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: But again it's like it's all building in each one
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: of these insidious and what's all the exorcism movies like
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: eventually you start seeing weird stuff physically happen in front
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: of your face and I'm like that's kind of what
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: they're competing with like and thing is I really like
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Adam Wingard as a director like his last couple movies
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: have been amazing like your next is one of the
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: best horror movies I've seen period in general ever maybe
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: it's like it's amazing what else the guest was.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Really good yeah uh grave encounters let's.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: See that one i thought i know if you go
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: back far enough um Popsco, and then he's on all
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the other little groups of them. I think he did
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Grave Encounters. VHS 1 and 2, he's got a segment.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: ABCs of Death, but I don't like most of those.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know. No, his was just silly, if I remember.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I think they were just screwing around on that one. But, again,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: he's just... He's a great director, and he's got that
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: great group of friends, and he can put together really good,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: creepy movies. Yeah. And I still think this works. Like,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: on that level, I think as... But not compared to
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: his other ones. Like, I feel like it's not as
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: good as everything else I've seen him do lately, but...
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: compared to all the other schlocky movies that come out
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: and you know go in the theater for a week
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: and then end up on netflix i'm like it's better
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: than most of those like i still find a lot
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: of stuff i mean it's.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Not a zero out of ten yeah i.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Thought the i think it's very effective for a normal
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: modern horror movie that's coming out right now again there's
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: new ones cranked out every week on netflix and like
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: i feel like it's better than most of those but
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: it comparing it to his weather work comparing it to
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: blair which project like it it it has to pale
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: in comparison even to his other stuff.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: I think it pales in comparison to a lot of
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: other like modern horror movies too.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Even of, again, I feel like it's competing more with
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: the run of the mill stuff.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Run of the mill stuff.
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, what else came out this year? Don't,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Don't scream or whatever.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Don't breathe?
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Don't breathe, yeah.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I just watched that recently.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's... If we're comparing it to that, yeah,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Don't Breathe.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Is a hell of a lot better movie. That was
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: another big Hollywood horror movie that came.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Out this year.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: It helps that Jane Levy's awesome. Yeah.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: She's freaking cool.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: What else here? I mean, Lights Out. I didn't see
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I know. But again, that's the thing. I feel like
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: there's so many like that, although the short that they
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: based that on was really cool. So I gave them
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: credit that they came up much like Adam, they came
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: up as indie filmmakers and they're just trying to expand
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: the little cool horror ideas that they had that they
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: didn't have a budget and now give them a much
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: bigger budget and wider audience. So it's like, I kind
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: of like that. But because of that, we're kind of
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: hit with so many horror movies now that eventually you
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: do get that run-of-the-mill thing where it's just like, eh,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: it's another freaking horror movie, whatever.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I'll see them all. Oh, Conjuring 2
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: came out.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: See, that's another one. I kept trying to think of
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: all the different groups of ones that would come out
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: because then you get the doll offshoot. They all create
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: their own little offshoot sub-genre of their own. When did
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: the boy come out?
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Was that last year?
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Last year, yeah.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a lot of that. And actually, the
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: first Conjuring is pretty good. But again, I put that
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: kind of a step above most of the other stuff
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: coming out at that time.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: It's just a lot of horror movies. And I think
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: that's why I'm just sort of putting it in as
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: that throwing it in the middle of them all. And
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like, it's right there in the middle. It's fine.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: It's in the middle. I would agree with that. It's
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: right there in the middle.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: It's very serviceable as a horror movie. It's got your
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: jump scares. It's got a lot of creepy scenarios.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't ever watch it more than once, but you know.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I might return to it somewhere down the line. I'm
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: not in a big rush. I watched it extra just
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: for this, but.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: If he makes another one.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: If he makes another one.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I'll go see it. Contempt narration, take one.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Take two, three.
• 52:38
  Speaker 10: When James was four years old, his older sister disappeared
• 52:42
  Speaker 10: while making a documentary near the town of Burkittsville, Maryland.
• 52:45
  Speaker 10: The final moments of it showed her going into a house,
• 52:48
  Speaker 10: seemingly within the Black Hills forest.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: That area was extensively searched.
• 52:55
  Speaker 10: By police and FBI, but they could find no evidence
• 52:58
  Speaker 10: of an existing house in those woods. For as long
• 53:02
  Speaker 10: as I've been friends with James, he's wondered what happened
• 53:04
  Speaker 10: to her. His continued search to find closure and answers
• 53:08
  Speaker 10: to his sister's disappearance is the subject.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Of this documentary.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing. I'm like, I don't know what
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: else you could do. And this brought me back to
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: my Star Wars scenario.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: 20 years later, what happened to my cousin?
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, even this one, I'm like, it's really
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: hard to not end up in the same place. Because
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: that was my, if you remember, Rogue One, I said
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: the same thing. I'm like, we're back at another freaking
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Death Scar finale. And I'm like, it's the same thing
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: we're back in this damn house running around in a
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: circle and having a duke nukem finale as we run
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: through corridors over and over it all becomes a first
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: person shooter only we don't have a gun so it's
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: like yay we're playing doom for the last 15 minutes
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: like i don't know i i feel like they kind
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: of have to because you're making a blair witch movie
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: so you almost have to end up at the house
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: isn't that how this works but at the same time
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: i'm like have we already seen this? I mean, they
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: add a few extra levels to it, but I'm just like,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know how. And then that's going back to
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: the original point. I don't know how you can make
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: this its own sub genre. And we are technically three
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: movies in now, but like, I don't know how it
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: becomes its own running series without just telling the same thing.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Or getting worse and worse and worse like paranormal activity.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Why did they ever make another one?
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Because it made money.
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: God.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Because it made truckloads of money for zero dollar investment.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I thought the third one was alright.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: They spent so little money on that first one and
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: it made a fortune.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: It made a fortune.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, that explains exactly why they keep making
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: those horror movies.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: This just keeps tricking me into going to the theater.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Sucker.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Getting real mad. Oh, and in 2000, I think 2015,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: That's when Creep came out. You see that found footage?
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: No.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I like that one.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I'm usually sick to death of the idea of found footage.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: But I am a defender of found footage in that
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: found footage is not inherently, you know, it's not inherently
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: limiting and that it's not inherently going to be like
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: a Blair Witch or like a Paranormal Activity.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: It just always kind of feels like it is. Right.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Watch Creep. You should watch it. I liked that movie
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: so much. It was probably the favorite, my favorite horror
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: movie that I've seen this year. It has a, what's
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: his face from The League?
• 55:38
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I don't watch it enough, but I know everybody's kind
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: of spitting off of that show.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I don't watch it, but I just know that that's what,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: he's like famous from that show. But it's kind of
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: like a really good portrayal of a psychopath. Like a
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: legitimate psychopath. Not like Jason or something. I don't know.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Jason counts as a normal psychopath. He's dead from the get-go.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: At least Michael Myers at one point was kind of
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: a normal psychopath. Before he was an undead psychopath.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I know you probably have like 40,000 movies that you're
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: supposed to watch at all times.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: I can put it on the list.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Put it on the list.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I don't go through them that fast anymore.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Because I spend too much time editing a show. You're welcome, guys.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: It's not inherently limiting. It's not like, the cops found
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: this footage.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Like I said before, though, it seems so hard to
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: do anything other than that, though. Again, just to see
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: somebody try to do something successful that's not that, I
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: will have to put it on the list. That's something
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: I felt I.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Think people just are like, oh, well, these movies are just, like,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: successful that have done this thing. And so they're like, okay,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I'll just take this formula and do my own thing
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: with it. Instead of, like, I feel like there's so
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: many possibilities.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: That's one of the things I found that, and it's not,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, it just comes with the territory. I guess
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: it's not their fault as the filmmakers. But it only
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: really happened once. But we get towards the end there,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: and they get separated. And then they're running around in
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: the woods, and all you see is woods. And like
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: for a few minutes, I'm like, who are we on now?
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I was like, is it Ashley? And eventually it was Ashley.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Because it was when she went up to get the drone.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: But it was that point where it like, if you're
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: paying attention, because I went back to watch, I'm like,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: when's the switch over? And they do say, where's Ashley?
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: And then it cuts to her POV and she's yelling
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: for them. So I mean, I guess if you watch
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: close enough, but I'm like, you can't tell the difference.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: It's still POV looking at trees.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: There's almost too many of them.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: So it's like, it's yeah, it's like, that's the one
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: thing that like you have to find a good way
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: To hand that baton each time, which again, when you're
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: sitting there with all the characters, you're looking at the
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: other people. It makes sense. When all you do is
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: look at trees with a flashlight, like you really can't
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: tell who's POV you're in anymore. And then my point was,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: when did she get the controls to the drone thing?
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I guess anybody can download that app and
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: put it on their phone. But like we never saw
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: her run it ever. It's always the other girl.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: And it's like, how are they all going to be
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: experienced in flying a drone?
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: I know. I was like, it would be different if
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: it was, what is the other chick's name? I don't remember. Lisa. So, okay,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Lisa's the one running the drone the whole rest of
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: the movie. If she came across it, number one, we
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: know she has the app on her phone, and she knows, obviously,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: she'd be like, oh, there it is. Let's try to drift. But, like,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it switches to the other POV.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: She's doing the things that Lisa did the whole rest
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: of the movie. I'm like, it's no wonder it's confusing. Like,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: why is she even trying to do that now? What
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: the hell is the drone going to do you anyway? Like,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: you know it's wrecked in a tree and it's not
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: going to carry you out of there. So, like, I
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: don't know. That just seemed like a very weird moment.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I will give him points, though. I like the creepy hand.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Creepy hand.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Again, a very physical, three-dimensional thing that happens in the
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: real world that is 100% paranormal because maybe a real
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: human could have been waiting at the bottom to drag
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: you off But within seconds, it's not the same person.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: And as far as we know, there's only one crazy
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: person roaming around in the woods at that point. So, like,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: at least one of those things, if not both, is
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: a weird paranormal force that grabs her with a hand
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: that you can see. And then two seconds later, when
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: she's at the bottom, drags her body off. I'm like,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: that's a lot of physical paranormal things going on right now.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: But the hand was creepy. Yeah, the hand was creepy.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: The hand was really creepy. And again, if we're going
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: back with the fact that they bothered to drag out
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: the old river story with the hand pulling the girl
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: in the water, it kind of matches up. That's one
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: of the few times I'm like, that was a good play.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: You guys set it up and you finished the little
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: thing there. That's a cool little use of your previous storyline.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: So that was kind of cool. I gave them points
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: for that. I still don't know what the hell she
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: was doing in a tree trying to get that drone anyway,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: but That moment was pretty damn cool. Yeah.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: And when she was in the tunnel, like kind of.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: The tunnel was a weird addition to the end. Yeah.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: That made me anxious. I'm just.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Did you play the game of like.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, hell no.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Like at least the rest of the house, like I've
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: walked around creepy houses probably more than I needed to.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Back to the dumb things I used to do. Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Walking in abandoned houses.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: I did a lot of stupid stuff. So I'm like
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: the walking around an abandoned house.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, sure.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Whatever. Something creepy is going to happen. Probably.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Crawling under the house because even then i'm like then
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: i become okay i'm the cliche person in theory going
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: oh girl you're gonna get stuck let's back up out
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: that hole you're gonna get stuck and what'd she do
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: she got stuck what'd i tell you so i'm like
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: the whole time i'm just like As soon as she started,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, no. I mean, what is she going
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: to do?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: She's in a pit.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: I guess that, again, that's what I'm like, well, what
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: do you do? Just live there until you starve to death?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, what else are you going to do? Like,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: I guess you have to, but I'm like, I don't
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: like that. I don't like that option. I don't like
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: crawling down that little root-filled hole.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I'd probably just sit there. I'd probably be like, all right,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: this is how I die.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: What's his face? He'll come find me. I don't remember.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Not stuck.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: He's not my boyfriend, but he'll probably come look for me. Whatever.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: I like dying when I'm not stuck in a hole.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just that. But I mean, that was
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: at least creepy intense and a different edition. Again, it's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: like they have to one up the house as we
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: get to the end. So then it becomes, okay, we're
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: adding a weird, which they even kind of bothered. That
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: is that the underground railroad portion of it? Like, did
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: they not say that at one point? Like, I feel
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: like in some of their yammering at the beginning, they
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: said something about it having ties to the Underground Railroad.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, if there's a tunnel later, I'm gonna,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know about this.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 9: But.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: It's not a literal thing.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Underground Railroad, there's not like underground tunnels.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, if the train would have showed up, then
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: it really would have been impressive. Woo, woo, ghost train.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Taking you to the north. Let's go. But if something
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: like we had that, that by the finale they sort
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: of one-upped it like okay we've got the tunnels added
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: in then we have the okay we've already done the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: cellar so the story was mixed up sometimes they tell
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: it it's the cellar sometimes it's the attic so now
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: we end up in the attic in the end instead
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: of the cellar as it was the first time so
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: we changed that up minorly the.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Only other thing that still stuck in a corner.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Still stuck in a corner but then the only then
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: the one-up game becomes okay if you don't look at
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: her she can't kill you right And the camera doesn't count.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: You have to like physically look at her for her
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: to kill you. So then we get the using the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: viewfinder to try to escape and find your way out game.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Which doesn't go so well.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: Spoilers.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I guess that again, I was like,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: I guess this is one up in it a little
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: and adding an aspect that wasn't there last time. But
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's kind of pointless because we know
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: she's still going to turn around.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this isn't she's not going to get out
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: and go home and it's going to be a happy ending.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: And that became the thing. I'm like, did they fall
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: into that same trap? Much like fighting a battle back
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: on the Death Star again. I'm like, are we just
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: going to watch the camera fall down at the end
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: in this house? And what happens? I'm like, is it
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: ridiculous that that's going to happen every time? Or is
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: it ridiculous to think it's not going to happen every
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: time because it's a Blair Witch movie? So shouldn't it
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: happen every time? Otherwise, wouldn't we not end up at
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: the point in the beginning to get us to the end?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. It becomes a vicious circle.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: I really liked the time distortion.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: That was kind of my big thing that I liked
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: in the middle there.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When they walked out of the woods and they
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: were like, I spent five days.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, nice. But they started, like at the beginning,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: it's just like, wait, we slept till two o'clock. And
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like, so suddenly, which also has a little, and
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: we haven't mentioned this really at any point. I said
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: there were three. I remember almost nothing about Blair Witch 2,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: colon Book of Shadows. But the only thing that was
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: like the one time, other than that, it seems pretty
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: cheesy and a bad normal horror movie. But like the
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: one thing that I thought was cool and I'm not
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: really spoiling it again. It's the only reason to watch
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: is this cool moment. Pretty early in on the movie,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: they get to this like cabin or whatever, and they're
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: all going to hang out there and try to Blair
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Witch it up or whatever they're doing.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: And they have, they once again have a camera. It's not,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: they get away from the first person. So it's not
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: at all like the original Blair Witch anyway. So it's
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: just sort of normal. But one of them has a
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: camera and they set up this camera to try to
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: like figure out what's going on. And they get up
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: the next day and they're like, I guess nothing happened
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: last night. And then they're like, wait, what, what about this?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: And they have all these things that happen. They're like,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: what the hell? And then they go back and look
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: at the footage and they see themselves doing things that
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: they have no memory of. And I'm like, oh, that's creepy.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's a creepy moment when you're watching yourself
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: on camera do something that you don't remember doing. I'm like,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: that's kind of a cool, creepy moment. The only thing
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: I really remember finding interesting in that whole second movie.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: So then I'm like, there's a little touch of that,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: of like, wait, how did we all just happen to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: wake up at two in the afternoon and not remember
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: what's going on? I'm like, okay, that's, maybe it just
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: knocked them out or maybe they were off doing shit.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like, we don't really know. But I'm like, I
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: like that aspect of it. I also like the fact
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: that they kind of just started sneaking that stuff in
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: that it's like there's things like time sort of missing
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: where they're like, okay, now it's been like so long.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Like before we even get to the five days, like
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: even then it's like they wake up that morning and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, it's supposed to be seven o'clock and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: the sun's not up. So again, it's like the woods
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: themselves are messing with time and space at this point.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: It's like so much so that the fact that the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: sun never comes up again. So that was my take
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: on that middle part there is like, I kind of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: like that. And I'm like, this is the only way
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: I can almost see them being able to do something
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: else with Blair Witch as a whole.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Is like, I feel like.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Feel like that middle section like that's the one thing
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: that I'm like I kind of like what's going on
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: right now is like that part in the woods like
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: before we get to the house when when it starts
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: going crazy and a little before that I'm like we're
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: kind of in a hell dimension yeah I mean they
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: get to the point where like nothing makes sense anymore
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: so the fact that like time slipping away and these
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: people have been lost for five days where it's been
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: a half a day for these guys so it's like
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: time and space aren't making sense the sun won't come
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: up anymore and Or even the fact that, once again,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: back to my point earlier, they have GPS. There's no
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: logical reason that they should get lost, and yet it's
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: like nothing functions. Like, GPS, the most functional way of
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: getting around in the world, is completely useless once you
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: go in these woods. So I'm like, everything that we've
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: pieced together that should make, even like the fact that
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: the drone goes up and can't find a house, or
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: a road, or a river, or like, it goes up
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: and it's just woods everywhere. And I'm like, that part's
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: kind of cool like if we got to another story
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: that was just like the woods themselves are this like
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: hell dimension that like once you're in there nothing makes
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: sense anymore like you're again i.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Guess the bermuda triangle we start heading down.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: The freddy road like your nightmares start coming true like
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: it's just like but like at least that offers something
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: other than the house at the end you know or
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: like exactly the same found footy g stuff it's just
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: the fact that everything once you go in like almost
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: more of an evil dead thing of like the woods
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: themselves are an entity and it's out to get you
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: and rules don't apply once you're in there and you're
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: screwed and there's no escape like that's kind of awesome
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: really like that was my favorite part of that middle
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: section there is just the fact that definitely it was
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: its own weird the woods was its own weird thing
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: that defied the laws of time and space and the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: woods and the witch was in control yeah.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Tree fell on peter woods was like nope.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: See, again, that would almost make sense. At that point,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: it's still a physical, real, real thing that took him out.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: We never saw what it was. It might have been
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: that lightning from earlier that knocked down trees that sort
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: of was back. Was that the same tree? I kind
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: of assumed, again, I saw that the second time around.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: I'm like, so the tree that they looked at earlier,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: like first day, was outside of the house again? So
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: they once again looped back around and And that was
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: my other like hell dimension thing is like this house
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: isn't there except when it needs to be there. Like
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: it's not on any map. It's in no clearing. Like
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: nobody's ever like them searching for years before that. Nobody's
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: ever come across that house again until it's time for
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: that house to show up.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Until they get to that next dimension.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Until it's, yeah, the hell dimension. That hell mouth. opens
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: up and the house shows up.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: What's that in Stranger Things? The underneath?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: Underneath.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: It's just Sunnydale all over again. So, yeah, I don't know. Again,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: there's so much thrown in there that's cool along the way.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: It just doesn't quite add up to being a really
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: good movie. It's just... cool ideas and cool moments. Again,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: cool enough that I still put in the, it's an
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: okay horror movie.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I would have pushed it more
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: towards being good rather than being a big disappointment if
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: they had taken longer and been, you know, more of
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: like the just twig snapping and just like tiny things happening.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Instead of it just being like little tiny, tiny, tiny thing.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: And then the rest of the movie is like huge
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: stuff happening and you see it all and there is
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: just no mystery anymore. I kind of, I need that.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: I need that like, you know, the believability of it
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: to be afraid. I need it to be something that
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that could happen to me in a found
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: footage movie for me to.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: I think that would be a better movie. Yeah. Or
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I could almost see going the entire opposite direction and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: be like, screw it, monsters. Yeah, screw it, monsters.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: That'd be fine too.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Once that second half kicks in, it's just like them
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: fighting with, like again, we just kind of see glimpses
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: of them around the corners and they run and hide.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, it's just enough to break that like
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: spell of like, is it real? Is it not real?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, we don't really get any
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: real interaction with them. They just sort of run away
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: and then they're gone. Like every time they think they
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: see somebody, they turn around and that person's not there.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Or the monster hides behind something or they close the door.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: And we never really get any interaction with any of them.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: So I would almost like full on just, again, if
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: you're going to make it Evil Dead, just make them
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: punching monsters in the face and chainsaw and shit. And
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, just go ahead and make it silly and
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: over the top if we're going to get to the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: creatures running around chasing them the whole time. Because I
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: could kind of see that being a much more entertaining
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: movie if it became something like that. But it still
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: probably wouldn't be good at that point. But yeah. That's
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: a fine line.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: So do you, again, it throws off the theory part
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: of it that came into play in the original Blair
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Witch Project. The fact that, again, before you could come
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: up with, well, what do you think really happened game?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: Because now, especially by the end when we see that
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Lane is still around and is still alive, that's kind
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: of a cool moment. Again, once we talk about time
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: slippage and it being a hell dimension, The fact that
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: it's been like years, you assume. Like when he sees
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: her again at the very end, he's like, you're just
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: like I remember you. Like it's been years since he
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: saw her. And it's been a day for her. So again,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: that's kind of a cool moment.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how they make the end to be the YouTube
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: video in the beginning. Like they take all the same shots.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: So you're like, oh, this hell dimension. The 17 years is.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: It is its own little... Because then I'm like, okay, so...
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: They sort of set it up at the beginning, like
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Lane faked all of that anyway, because she's like, so
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: just so happens that the tapes you found are the
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: really hard to find tapes that are also in your
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: camera that you're carrying around. So like they kind of
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: planted that like, OK, well, odds are he made all
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: this up just to get somebody out here. We know
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: that that was an interesting aspect, too, is the first one.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: We didn't have anybody knowingly messing with them. That was
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: a human like we had weird stuff happening. We didn't know,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: you know what it was or if it was supernatural.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: But this one like midway and we're like, oh yeah,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: these guys are screwing with you now. So we could
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: almost have that too. Like where we could have that
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: becoming a way more traditional 80s horror movie of like
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: just weirdos lure them out in the woods and start
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: messing with them and like tormenting them. And then eventually
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: they have to like kill the bad guys. That's a
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: way more standard traditional horror movie that we could have
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: gotten and didn't.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like they like were like offering them up
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: to the witch or whatever.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: That would almost be more interesting if they actually were.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: But then it didn't work.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like we got that. They still seem
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: like they were almost innocent of everything other than hanging those.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: They were just trying to get somebody to come out
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: there because they were genuinely curious about it and they
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: wanted to figure out the mystery like they did. They
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: really didn't seem like bad people otherwise. They did that
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: one thing and then Lane looks like a creep the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: whole time. So from the beginning, you're like, oh, screw
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: that guy.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: With his freaking rebel flag hanging on the wall. Like,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: all right, I already don't like this bastard and he
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: looks creepy. At least she was like, all right, like
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: she might've been okay in a different scenario, but like
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: Lane always looked creepy. So by the end, like when
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: we work him back into the scenario, it's like, that's
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Do we work him into all of
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: the goings on or has he just been lost the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: whole time missing in time? And then he comes back
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: in at the end and like his servant to the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: witch or has he been, that's what I'm saying earlier
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: when I was like, when Ashley falls out of the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: tree and gets drug off, Lane could be the one
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: dragging her off. Like it is physically picked up and
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: drug away, much like a human would. The hand seems
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: very supernatural. That seems unlikely to be Lane. But from
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: off screen, we just see somebody pick up her legs
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: and drag her out of the frame. That could very
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: easily be Lane. So it's like, is the witch, in quotes,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: using Lane the whole time? Because he keeps saying by
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: the end, it's like, you have to do what she says.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: The same thing that the creepy old serial killer in
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: the first movie, like he just did what the witch said.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: Like he wasn't the evil entity himself. The entity was there.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: He was just following its instructions because you have to
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: do what she says. So how much along the way
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: was she using Lane to physically do things? Or was
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: he just lost in time and she's got all these
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: other monsters in?
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: What were, again, it's supposed to be other victims. Like
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: the weird thing with the long arms thing. wasn't the
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: witch supposedly i think even the writer said that that
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: was one of the previous victims is that weird thing now.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: What's her face uh not heather i don't know.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: I kept waiting i was like are we actually gonna
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: get a cameo from.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Him like the one with the the crap on.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Her foot oh the ashley ashley yeah.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Ashley So like a little thing in her foot, like
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: she's slowly becoming.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: That was a weird little add on. Again, I feel
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: like that's a more recent horror movies that like, it's
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: almost a body horror at that point when we've got
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: this thing moving around inside of her. Then later is
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: sort of a real thing. I thought it was just
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: weird that like her body was like doing its own
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: weird thing unbeknownst to her. Like that was kind of
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: a little creepier at the beginning. Later, I guess we're
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: supposed to think it's that thing that she yanked out
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: of herself, but.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: It could be all of the above. It's just creepy
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: across the board. But yeah, I don't know. It could be, again,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: then we're entering more into she's becoming a deadite. So
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: we're entering into a different horror movie there. But again,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: that could be more of an interesting way to take
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: this franchise is get away from redoing the found footage
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: over and over again. Get away from the house at
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: the end scenario and just be like, the woods are evil.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: The woods are its own hell dimension. And weird stuff's
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: going to happen once these weirdos go searching for somebody
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: out in the woods. And that seems like it's got
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: a little more potential. Again, it's kind of hacky at
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: this point, but it doesn't mean you can't make an
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: effective horror movie out of it. We did, as a
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: nice little throwback, I think, once again to the original,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: the fact that even in that last, in the attic,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: in that very last scene, we get a little of,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. This is all my fault. I'm like,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: we're kind of doing our new reboot version of the
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Heather camera scene. And he's apologizing and blaming himself. And,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: you know, I didn't apologize to Joss's parents or anything,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: but it was pretty damn close. So much so it
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: was funny that then like as soon as he finished
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: that little segment, he goes, Heather, like he actually addressed
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: her as though she was there. Which that was the point.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: I was like, are we going to get like a cameo?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Are they going to drag Heather back in and do
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: like a weird witch makeup? And we actually get to
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: see her as like she is actually caught in the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: time-space continuum that is the woods and the house and
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: all of that. But no, we never. There is a weird, again,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: I stopped to see what that was that he sees.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: It does kind of look like an old woman, but
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: didn't look enough that you could even say that it
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: was them trying to do a version of Heather. It's
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: just sort of a creepy figure and that's it. Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought that was kind of funny that
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: we got a little, once again, a little touch of
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: the most famous scene in that whole movie of, I'm sorry,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: it's all my fault. So he does his version of
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: that by the end.
• 1:17:47
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• 1:17:48
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• 1:17:51
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• 1:17:55
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• 1:17:56
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• 1:18:06
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• 1:18:09
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• 1:18:17
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• 1:18:20
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• 1:18:28
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• 1:19:00
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• 1:19:01
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• 1:19:31
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• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: So honey, who's new in town?
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 8: You better watch out, or she'll put you down.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: Cause she's a crazy chick. Baby, she's a witch.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: She got long black hair and a big black car.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 8: I know what you're thinking, but you won't get far.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 8: She's wise to your tricks because she's a witch.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 6: Well, she walks.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: Around late at night.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: Most other people are sleeping. Now you know the score
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 8: Because I set you straight So you better be careful
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 8: Before it's.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: Too late She's gonna.
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