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Chris Budge: Private Investigator on the Tom Phillips situation, the location of the recovered kids · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: Tom Phillips is dead. The three kids are safe. The
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  Speaker 1: a cop who was shot expected to survive. They were
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  Speaker 1: found in the campground about two k's from the quad
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  Speaker 1: bike shootout location. Bush was rough and rugged, and.
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you with great relief this evening that
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  Speaker 2: soon after four point thirty today we've located Tom phillips
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  Speaker 2: remaining children. They've been found in a campsite not far
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  Speaker 2: from here, further up the Tioga Road. I can confirm
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  Speaker 2: that the children are well and uninjured.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Budge is a private investigator who was looking for
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  Speaker 1: Tom Phillips with us this morning. Chris, good morning, Good morning.
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  Speaker 3: Certainly an exciting but sad day.
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  Speaker 1: What did you make of the location?
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  Speaker 3: That's within the thought patent? Everybody thought this sort of
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  Speaker 3: sort of halfway between the triangle of Oshong and Maricoppa
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  Speaker 3: and the dairy where he's been seen more than once.
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  Speaker 3: So it's certainly within the area. It'd be interesting thing
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  Speaker 3: to see what comes out around camp site. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it was it structured exactly what was there, and that
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  Speaker 3: that's what the police were going through on their forensic examination.
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  Speaker 1: What sort of square kilometers area are we talking about
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  Speaker 1: that we thought he was in well.
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  Speaker 3: Overall, it's kind of thought it was round about a
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  Speaker 3: sixty kilometer square area going all the way out to
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  Speaker 3: calf here at the north and probably the dairy area
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  Speaker 3: where we're seeing to the south, and that area there is.
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  Speaker 3: It has some very rugged parts that country road gravel roads,
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  Speaker 3: as we saw in the media last night. So certainly
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  Speaker 3: there are isolated little communities and also buildings are certainly
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  Speaker 3: plenty of farms. So it is an area that is
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  Speaker 3: quite hard to look through, which is obviously why the
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  Speaker 3: police were been able to locate the over the last
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  Speaker 3: few years.
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  Speaker 1: What about the heat seeking thing, This idea that you
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  Speaker 1: can get choppers up, you can get drones up and
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  Speaker 1: they will give you thermal imaging and you should be
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  Speaker 1: able to find them. Were they in a cave.
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  Speaker 3: No, no thermal imaging. Its actually quite easy to hide behind.
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  Speaker 3: I do go out hunting and you could have an
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  Speaker 3: animal or a person hiding behind a solid tree trunk
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  Speaker 3: or under a level of a foliage and the thermals
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  Speaker 3: will not come out. So it's not one hundred percent guarantee.
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  Speaker 3: You would have to have them in a semi open
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  Speaker 3: or under a light foliage to be able to be
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  Speaker 3: able to spot them. So it's one method of investigation,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not absolute.
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  Speaker 1: Some people say that Tom Phillips is a hero, that
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  Speaker 1: he has done you did the right thing, that there
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  Speaker 1: was a custody dispute, et cetera. What do you say
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  Speaker 1: to those people.
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  Speaker 3: I have looked at the social media over the last
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  Speaker 3: twenty four hours and previously, but especially over the last
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  Speaker 3: twenty four hours, and listen, I'm really surprised with the
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  Speaker 3: negativity around people that people are saying things like I
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  Speaker 3: hope the cop doesn't survive, the system is bad, people
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  Speaker 3: are bullies. I find that absolutely disgusting. We have a
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  Speaker 3: circumstances where I have set for quite from the very
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  Speaker 3: start of a situation of a father who has abscondered,
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  Speaker 3: have abducted his children away from the wider family group.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not just the father's decision, it's more around
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  Speaker 3: removing choice in socialization for those children and hiding away
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  Speaker 3: from everybody. So I think those people are wrong and
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  Speaker 3: taking a really big chill prill in regards to what
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  Speaker 3: our news the Zealand society is all about. It's more
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  Speaker 3: about being together, being with families and giving children the
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  Speaker 3: best opportunity that.
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  Speaker 1: They could have Chris Budge, private investigator who was looking
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  Speaker 1: for Tom Phillips.
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