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Hatzolohs Finest Hour Remembering 9/11 · None of Your Business Podcast

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  This marks the 24th anniversary of September 11th.
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  In the chaos and in the utter destruction of a madness, sheer
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  madness of the day, it was Hatsola's finest hour.
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  None of your business, Oshi. None of Your Business, Michael.
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  It's the None of Your Business podcast hosted by Michael
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  Anoshi. Welcome back everybody to
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  another amazing episode of the None of Your Business podcast.
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  I'm your host, Michael Greenfield.
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  Joined with me is our Co host, Oshi Schwartz.
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  And we are here with a very special guest and a special
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  episode. But before we get to that, thank
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  you to all our subscribers, our listeners, all the comments.
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  everybody with the Twillery suit and shirt soon.
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  With us today is Hot School Bennett.
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  Hot School, welcome to the program.
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  Pleasure to be. Here.
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  We appreciate having you here. Today is a very special day for
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  us because normally we don't ear the same episode like 2 days
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  before. And we're going to do that this
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  week because this marks the 24th anniversary of September 11th.
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  And I was on a hunt to find someone that was a first
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  responder, someone that I would be able to discuss the moments
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  that happened and what led to the world that we have today.
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  So much to cover, so much to talk about.
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  We have a little thing that we like to call here.
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  Chachi PT said, what about you? So first I will shut off my
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  phone. I'm.
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  Just curious when you're going to learn like.
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  By the way, this is Ellie Landau.
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  We just got engaged last night. Like we have to say Miles.
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  Of later. We're a little bit busy right
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  now. You're saying I shouldn't pick?
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  Up. I'm like 90 episodes in 180.
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  At what point are you going to turn your phone on?
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  It's never on Ringer. That's The funny thing before I
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  come here. Right, it's not.
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  My phone in general is not on ring.
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  Only the last 40 times. Yeah, only when I come in, I'm
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  like, I want to bother Ushi, so I turn it on.
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  We have this little thing we like to call Chachi Peti, said.
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  What have you ever Chachi Peti yourself?
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  Never. Not myself, no.
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  Oh. OK, all right.
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  You use it though you're from my.
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  I'm just learning how to use it. Hosko Bennett doesn't just
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  remember 911. He lived it, stood in the middle
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  of the chaos and turned crisis into leadership.
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  That is the number one thing. It starts off.
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  That's true. That's what it says.
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  Yeah, you tell us. Does that make sense?
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  That's what ChatGPT says, Yeah. Fascinating.
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  Yeah, it says more. Hold on tight.
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  While most people talk about community, he's been quietly
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  building them brick by brick, policy by policy, family by
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  family. I like this guy.
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  What does that mean? Policy by policy, Insurance
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  business or something? What does that mean?
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  Allstate, you're in good hands. Politics is she?
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  Politics. Policies.
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  Oh, OK, listen, policy can very easily be there.
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  Family by family, policy by policy.
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  I hear insurance. I don't know.
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  OK, It's a good marketing stick, I guess, for insurance people.
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  Florida real estate agents will tell you about palm trees.
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  Klotzka will tell you about Torah schools, schools and
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  survival. The real blueprint behind the
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  migration. Wow.
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  That's going to be an interesting topic, by the way,
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  because there's something happening potentially in New
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  York and it's something worthwhile of a conversation.
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  It's worthy of a podcast time all on it's own, really.
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  Conversation. Absolutely.
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  Yeah, and, and I want to get into that in a minute.
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  He's the guy politicians call when they need a device and the
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  guy parents call when they need answers.
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  Wow, that's a lot of pressure. That's pretty amazing.
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  Actually, my wife. Bottom line, Hot School is
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  living proof that leadership isn't just the title, it's a
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  test, and he's been passing it for decades.
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  Fascinating. OK, I'm humbled and not sure I
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  could add to that right now. I mean, listen, I, you know, I
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  there's so much I want to start off with.
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  Michael, could we could we talk a little bit about September
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  11th over here? Because I know that he has a lot
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  of experience from my understanding, right as my
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  understanding he was there when when this all went down.
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  So I'd love to hear a little bit about that.
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  You know, we, we all know somebody that will remember
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  where they were when JFK was assassinated, right?
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  You know, I remember when I was when OJ Simpson's trial came to
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  an end, then he was acquitted. You know, like there's certain
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  things that we remember in our life.
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  Was that the white Bronco? Exactly.
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  But the, the one thing that stands out that I think that is
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  far beyond all that. Of course, we have October 7th,
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  which doesn't compare to any of these things.
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  But September 11th, I think also, if you ask people where
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  were you that day, I don't think people remember where they were
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  the day before. It's because like, it's just
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  such a blur to me. I'm curious, before we jump into
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  September 11th, what was your life like before September 11th,
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  September 10th, and before? I lived in Flatbush living my
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  daily life, going to work, building a business as a young
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  guy 24 years ago. So regular guy going to biz,
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  going to work every day. That's all a member trying to do
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  some good things in my life, trying to give back, but
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  certainly not as involved as I am.
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  You know, today and again, it was a you know, September 11th
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  was a beautiful I met I can I still picture the the beautiful
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  beautiful. It was primary day.
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  I think so. I think it was primary, right Is
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  that? Possible it's possible you have
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  Stephen Hulchek primary day yes, take take us through that
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  experience. So I it was a nice morning.
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  I do remember it was. Actually, Arab or Shoshanna, a
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  couple weeks before Shoshanna or maybe a week before Shoshanna
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  Sleekas, we were saying Sleekas I that I do remember.
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  So I was draw. I draw, I it.
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  Was a primary election in New York State?
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  Yes, busy day. Yeah, but, you know, I remember
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  Freddie Ferrer versus Mike Bloomberg.
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  I think Bloomberg had that in the bag.
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  Sorry. Common comedy used to work for
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  Freddie. Joke about it now it's 24 years
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  later. Hard to hard to wrap your head
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  around it. So I, I've talked about this
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  publicly many, many times. I've been asked, I've spoken to
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  crowds literally everywhere in the world on this, on this
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  topic. Our grandparents, their defining
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  day of their lives, if they were in America or for the world, was
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  Pearl Harbor. The day that the American, you
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  know, United States of America was sucked into World War 2
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  officially. For our parents, I believe a
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  defining moment, so I've heard, was the day that President
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  Kennedy was assassinated. Again, a defining moment for our
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  generation, unless someone has a better day, which I would
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  challenge for us, a defining moment was September 11th for so
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  many reasons. So I, we, we can go into my
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  personal experience, we can go into why that is.
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  It's up to you guys I. I'd love to hear your personal
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  experience first. Just take us to where you.
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  Were that morning I I dive in sleekas.
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  I dive in in Robert Shershel in on Ocean Ave. for many many many
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  years. Bucksham 30 years, second
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  minion. I have daphiomi.
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  Before the minion we said sleekas.
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  The day ran late because it was Sleekas.
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  During those days, I used to learn with my father Mishnabura
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  in the car. My office was in Williamsburg,
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  my warehouse. Again, I was building a business
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  and I would drive down Flatbush Ave. and get to Williamsburg
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  every day, same way that morning, because it was Sleekas.
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  A friend of mine, his name is Yasi Yarowitz Zakharin Levraka.
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  He subsequently passed away, asked for a ride.
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  He worked not far from me and I would drop him off sometimes
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  invariably at at at his little place.
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  I'm learning with my father, Mishna Bora, and I'm driving
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  down Flatbush Ave. and and they always was able to see the twin
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  towers straight ahead. My hot solar radio was on.
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  I'm talking to my dad. We're learning.
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  My father's a doctor, so I got to like get 10 minutes into his
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  schedule and I hear on the hot solar radio that a plane, that's
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  one of the members, a friend of mine, Aaron Rothman, F97, he
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  called in a call and I heard him sort of muff.
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  He was like choppy, but I heard him.
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  He thinks a plane hit the top of the twin towers.
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  One of them, I think they dispatched an ambulance there.
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  And I don't remember the specifics of of the
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  conversation. I sort of ignored it.
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  I'm not in Manhattan. I'm not heading to Manhattan.
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  Not my call, but I hear it OK, Still driving few minutes later.
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  I don't know what's the difference.
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  Stef will tell us. How far apart were the two
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  planes? One in. 10 minutes and the other
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  10 minutes. So. 12 minutes.
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  I'm just guessing. I I Stef.
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  Will it was very short we'll. Find out in a minute and I'm
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  still learning with my dad and I hear a second plane.
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  Now it's all hands on deck and I now know it's not a random
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  situation. Were you listening to the radio
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  at the time? Did I?
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  Know that at this point I told my father what's going on.
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  Now you have to know my dad. Shut off your radio.
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  Let's learn. You should never ignore your
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  father. Always listen to your father.
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  I said, Dad, I got to go. I have to finish.
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  I have to have to hang up. I hung up.
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  I started heading. They called for everybody.
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  That's all the call for everybody.
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  All hands on deck. Everybody.
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  How do they call for everyone? What is this?
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  What does that sound like? I'll send you the recording all
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  members who it's possible to go away from the field.
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  The second building is about to go down.
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  It was top actually the best dispatcher that Hatsala has, the
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  most professional and the most well known someone who has a
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  seasoned seasoned professional who yield Dutch W 19.
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  The recording is now it's going through the Hall of Fame.
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  It's such a I've heard the recordings many, many times,
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  basically sending resources, ambulances from different
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  neighborhoods. We now know we're dealing with
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  something very, very, very unprecedented, unusual.
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  OK, I'm heading towards the city now.
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  I turned on my lights and sirens, heading towards the
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  city. I come to the Manhattan Bridge,
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  standing still, traffic going towards the bridge, but like as
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  I'm coming onto the bridge, one of the big ESUNYPD trucks flies
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  by me full throttle, sees booking and he goes into the
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  opposite lane. The oncoming he goes to the
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  opposite lane. I go right behind him.
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  So where you couldn't get into Manhattan from the other side, I
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  was on the bridge and over the bridge in a minute I pull into
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  lower Manhattan. I follow him all the way, as
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  close as I could get. Never in a million years
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  thinking to myself what's going to come.
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  I first recollection come out of my car.
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  My friend Yossa Yurowitz has stolen the car.
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  So I said help me. I took all my equipment out of
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  the car, my trauma bag, my oxygen bag, whatever else I
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  where. Did you pull over your car?
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  I. Found a spot that I thought
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  would be reasonably. How far from the scene itself?
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  A block and a half away from the world.
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  So very close. Two blocks away.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  My first recollection got out of my car.
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  I see on the floor. Fascinating.
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  I need to think about is I see 1000 pair of shoes.
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  Shoes. Really, really people ditch
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  their shoes. Shoes.
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  I just see shoes everywhere. Strangest thing later it dawned
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  on me, people were so terrified. People were so afraid, so unsure
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  of what was going on. These are old executives.
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  The men are wearing leather shoes, the women are wearing
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  heels. You can't run in those shoes.
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  And people were running for their lives.
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  They ditched their shoes and just ran, ran for dear life.
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  So that was my first recollection.
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  I gather myself, I see my distance.
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  I'm cognizant that I don't want to get too close to the World
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  Trade Center itself. And as I'm being cognizant of
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  it, I see smoky debris on the floor around me, like a little
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  bit further in, like parts of planes smoking.
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  So now, you know, you don't want to get too close if parts of
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  airplanes are falling down. Again, I didn't know what size
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  airplane this was. How could you possibly know?
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  We had reports of two airplanes going into the World Trade
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  Center. OK, that's enough for me.
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  I'm convinced. So now what does hot solemn
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  number do? I put on my green vest like
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  transform from citizen to to to hot solemn man.
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  OK, Somehow, someway, I, I believe it was the corner of
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  church and Trinity if I remember correctly.
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  Again, it's been 24 years. People seem to be gravitating
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  towards this area because it's a little bit away and there's a
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  huge amount of steps going up to the actual, whether it's a
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  church or I. I'm assuming it's a church, like
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  an old style church with like 200 steps.
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  And people are sitting there and I just look around and people
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  are just dazed glass, bloody, gasping for air.
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  Multiple patients with multiple different issues.
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  Some people are cut, other people are are having trouble
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  breathing, other people are just terrified.
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  And what does that solar member do?
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  That solar member just jumps in. Start tending to people.
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  And a few of my that solar members were there for whatever
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  reason and we sort of like unofficially, but collectively
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  came together and just started treating patients.
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  And I remembered something. So, so on you and I see the
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  pictures. I remember I was cognizant,
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  let's say it this way, of the fact that I'm wearing a
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  yarmulke, a green vest, that solar vest and my Titus.
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  I just, I was cognizant of it even in this incredible
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  upheaval, turmoil. Chaos.
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  Chaos, Absolutely. I so desperately wanted to make
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  a Kiddushesham, and we were successful in that.
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  There's no question about it. Anyone we treated, anyone that
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  we interacted with. Now my friend Yossi Yurowitz was
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  just hanging with. Me, not a hot tall guy, not a
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  tall guy, wanted to get to his office.
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  Yeah, well, that wasn't happening, right?
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  What did he do? In the back of my car, I don't
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  remember why I had kept Remember the old disposable cameras.
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  I have a disposable camera. I'm not tall, a member.
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  I come on to crazy things. I'm not the greatest
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  photographer in the world, nor am I interested in it.
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  He grabbed the the camera and he just started snapping pictures
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  and some of the pictures that are of today well known pictures
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  of 911 burning, building us treating these patients as
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  pictures of this of this day, of this moment.
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  Otherwise it'd be just in my memory, in my, in my mind.
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  He actually took pictures of, OK, we moved from this area to a
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  different area. The cops moved us off of the,
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  the steps for whatever reason. And we moved to Broadway right
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  around the corner. And we moved to a, we, we
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  created a triage area where ambulances were starting to come
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  down Broadway towards downtown. And we set up in front of a
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  bunch of stores. It was Broadway corner John
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  Street and we were treating patients and there are pictures
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  of this. Literally people were bringing,
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  cops were bringing us people. Again, all these you have to
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  remember the World Trade Center has thousands of people who work
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  in the towers and, and the surrounding buildings,
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  thousands, thousands, Wall Street area, well, Trade Center
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  area, you're talking about 10s of thousands of people just
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  working in this area. So there are nowhere to go.
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  They're they're flipping out. And we again started to treat
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  patients. We heard from the police, from
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  some of the law enforcement that the Pentagon was hit.
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  We heard that another plane was coming.
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  You know, we heard a lot of different misinformation.
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  So basically to warn us, this is an on this is an ongoing
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  situation. What's now may not be.
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  And what's going to be 5 or 10 minutes into this entire
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  situation, I heard a whoosh. To me, it sounded like an
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  incoming plane, like a plane is landing on our head.
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  I had no idea what it was, but something was happening.
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  This was a subway train coming into a station. 1000 of them at
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  one time. That's how loud it was.
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  Terrifying. Whoosh.
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  Subsequently, oh, let's keep going.
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  This whoosh transformed itself into what you now know if you
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  ever see the video. That black smoke coming towards
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  us. The whoosh was the building
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  pancaking coming down. The second I heard this whoosh I
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  knew we had to get out of this area.
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  Now the police had set up a Do not enter with yellow tape.
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  They. Mean a barricade you.
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  Know they barricade us us in so we could work and not add my hot
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  solar radio on my belt. I turned, I heard this whoosh,
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  saw the smoke started to run. My hot solar radio got caught on
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  the tape and I'm and I can't get out.
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  I'm stuck and I'm a pretty strong guy.
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  So I give a like a huge like like nothing's going to hold me
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  back. I'm going to I'm running for my
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  life and I run and I accelerated flips off my belt.
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  This is relevant for later in this conversation.
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  And I lose it and I keep running.
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  I'm running. Smoke is chasing me at the very
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  last second. I run up John St. #11 John St.
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  I still remember the address and the door sort of opens like the
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  front door or the lobby door of this office building.
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  And at the last second, I jump in.
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  I take a deep breath. I have no idea.
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  Like this is the most unbelievable, traumatic
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  experience of my life. I look around the floor of the
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  lobby. What's what's in this lobby?
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  I see about 30 to 50 people huddling and shaking on the
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  lobby floor like this. I've, I, I I'm still not sure
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  who they are, what they are. Where am I?
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  OK, I get my grips. I get my bearings.
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  I go to the front door. Now I want to see what's going
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  on outside of this lobby door picture.
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  I'm in the lobby. There's lights.
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  There are people, the lobby glass door, 'cause every
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  building has a glass door. I look at it, it's pitch black.
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  I open up the door, like to peek outside.
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  Blackness, total darkness. All I hear in the distance.
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  Nothing except car alarms. Remember the old car alarms?
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  That's all I hear. I had no idea what it was, no
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  idea what happened. As if the world ended the
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  apocalypse. Yes, without knowing that it's
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  the apocalypse. I thought that at this point I
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  recognized that a building fell down.
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  One of the tall buildings fell down.
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  One of the World Trade Center buildings, twin towers fell.
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  I had no way to know that it fell this way.
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  I thought it fell that way. Why wouldn't I?
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  Building was actually created to go down this way, not this way.
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  I thought that the building that I'm in, the building fell right
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  on top, and the only reason why we weren't crushed was because
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  it fell on top of the building that we're in, because
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  everything around me is black. I look up, I say the following
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  words. I say Hashem, I'm in trouble.
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  Please help me. I go back deeper into the lobby
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  if to remember I'm no longer Joe Citizen regular guy.
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  I'm that's all, a man. People are depending on you.
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  I'm wearing a green vest, as if the green vest prepares me to
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  know what to do and they're all looking at me.
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  What do we do? You're an official.
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  Right. The problem was we couldn't stay
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  in the lobby because the smoke, if you remember, the black smoke
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  was seeping into the lobby and it made the breathing very
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  difficult. So we had to move.
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  One of the 50 people in the lobby was an undercover
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  narcotics cop, and the only way that I knew that he was a cop
• 22:59
  'cause he was wearing a windbreaker that said NYPD on
• 23:02
  it, he was wearing shorts. September, it was hot.
• 23:05
  It was a nice day. He looks at me, I look at him,
• 23:09
  and we have to devise a plan now to take care of these 30 to 50
• 23:13
  people. I don't remember the exact
• 23:15
  number. We're in charge now.
• 23:17
  These are our charges. We got to figure out how to take
• 23:20
  them to safety. So forget about the fact, let's
• 23:23
  go back. I have no outside radio.
• 23:25
  I have absolutely no idea what's going on.
• 23:28
  There was no more cell phone service, which I had my cell
• 23:30
  phone because if you remember, the cell phone antennas are on
• 23:36
  top of the building that just came down.
• 23:40
  So I am completely in the dark physically, metaphorically and
• 23:46
  communicatively. I have nobody to talk to.
• 23:50
  I'm by myself. We scout this go up to the next
• 23:56
  floor, next floor in the by steps, who takes the steps in
• 24:00
  the in the Manhattan office building, The 2nd floor was
• 24:03
  nothing, It was just like equipment, but the third floor
• 24:07
  began the offices can't use an elevator.
• 24:10
  I wouldn't dare use an elevator. First of all, I have 30-40
• 24:12
  people here. I have no idea what I can't
• 24:15
  scout up. He and I see an office.
• 24:21
  It's untouched. It's locked.
• 24:22
  Remember, it's 9:00 in the morning.
• 24:23
  They didn't open up for business yet.
• 24:27
  The door's locked. We can't get the door open.
• 24:30
  Force the door. Force the door.
• 24:31
  Force the door. Can't get it open.
• 24:34
  In these office buildings, you take the fire extinguisher.
• 24:38
  It's not a fire extinguisher. It's not an old fashioned fire
• 24:40
  extinguisher. They have this hose, this long
• 24:43
  hose. I take the long hose in the back
• 24:45
  of the hose. I try to smash the door open.
• 24:48
  I can't get the door open. This narcotics officer says to
• 24:51
  me, stand back, seen out of a movie, stand back, takes out his
• 24:55
  gun, two shots, makes a hole in the door and we stick our hand
• 25:00
  through the shots, turn the door.
• 25:03
  We get in the door, walk in the office, clean, big, good air,
• 25:10
  air conditioning, running water, working telephones.
• 25:15
  We go back down, take this entire group and her shepherd
• 25:21
  them to safety. What safety?
• 25:25
  Safety is the third floor of this building in this office.
• 25:30
  And for the next half an hour, the world calmed down.
• 25:35
  I called my wife, told her I'm alive, begged me to come home.
• 25:39
  I said I can't. I called my mother, told her I'm
• 25:43
  alive, she begged me to come home.
• 25:45
  I told her I can't and I hung up.
• 25:50
  I ended up after half an hour. They were all fine at that
• 25:55
  point. Daylight returned to downtown or
• 26:00
  daylight Smokey daylight, but at least daylight have to remember
• 26:04
  this huge black smoke that everybody now knows famously
• 26:10
  started to dissipate. I ended up hitching a ride on a
• 26:14
  passing ambulance and took this ambulance to Beth Israel
• 26:20
  Hospital. I figure I could help out in the
• 26:23
  hospital just figure out a safe spot which is about 20 blocks
• 26:27
  down. Beth Israel is like was like 18
• 26:29
  or 18 E 18th or E 19th if I remember correctly, maybe I
• 26:33
  don't remember pull up with this ambulance.
• 26:36
  It was a metropolitan ambulance to Beth Israel hospital.
• 26:41
  The entire hospital was outside of the hospital with 100
• 26:45
  stretchers. Waiting.
• 26:47
  That's what hospitals do in an emergency.
• 26:52
  Waiting. Waiting.
• 26:57
  No patients, Everybody's dead. The sheer enormity of absorbing
• 27:10
  this scene. Doctors, nurses, gurneys a
• 27:15
  hospital waiting to help, waiting to heal for patients
• 27:21
  that never came. Wow.
• 27:26
  Either everybody was dead or they made it out and they were
• 27:28
  fine. They didn't.
• 27:29
  They were fine, but they were not coming by ambulance.
• 27:32
  They're not going to hospital. They didn't know that.
• 27:34
  I don't know if anybody was. Everybody was fine because they
• 27:37
  were all over the place. People were by the pier.
• 27:39
  Now, subsequently, we know they were going to on a boat to New
• 27:42
  Jersey. They were going everywhere.
• 27:44
  But that was my experience, of course, because I can't sit
• 27:48
  still and I have what to offer and I'm here.
• 27:53
  I hitch another ambulance, go right back downtown again.
• 27:57
  I ended up transporting 3 or 4 firefighters to the hospital and
• 28:03
  then I went back again. So I remember one of the names
• 28:07
  of firefighters, whatever it was.
• 28:12
  At this point, jet fighters are flying over lower Manhattan.
• 28:15
  You know America's at. War.
• 28:18
  It's the war zone right now, absolute war zone.
• 28:19
  Are the streets like loud and you hear people crying all over
• 28:25
  the place like it just like your mind?
• 28:29
  'S completely crazy again. They were advising, you know,
• 28:34
  buildings are not secure. Everything's shaky now
• 28:38
  everything you have to recognize we we're we're New Yorkers.
• 28:41
  So we're accustomed to a skyline, we're accustomed to the
• 28:44
  buildings. They're here all of a sudden
• 28:46
  something has disrupted like an earthquake, literally like an
• 28:50
  earthquake, man made earthquake. And so you don't know what's
• 28:54
  coming next. We already have two fallen
• 28:56
  towers. They said other buildings were
• 28:58
  not stable. Ultimately, end of the day,
• 29:00
  other towers did come down, were taken down.
• 29:03
  I remember the Woolworth build. I mean, there are a lot of
• 29:05
  buildings in the area. There were suspect.
• 29:07
  And so they warned us to be careful.
• 29:09
  Don't make sure that you know, again, make sure you know where
• 29:12
  you are. At this point it was midday, mid
• 29:16
  afternoon already. I, I, I was exhausted.
• 29:21
  I did as as much as I could do that day.
• 29:23
  I also was cognizant of the fact that the air was not clean.
• 29:27
  I remember that the air was not clean.
• 29:30
  This plays a role years later with 911 disease, with 9/11
• 29:37
  respiratory disease. I was cognizant of it that day
• 29:41
  and I wondered to myself, wow, this air is really not clean.
• 29:47
  Just one more thought. I ended up getting back home.
• 29:53
  I lost touch with Yasuyurowitz. I did not know if he was alive
• 29:57
  or dead. He didn't know if I was alive or
• 29:59
  dead. It was pretty frightening.
• 30:02
  At a certain point he made it out and he came to my house.
• 30:08
  I didn't see him out. I was probably in the shower.
• 30:11
  He dropped off the 11 out of the two bags that he had been
• 30:15
  charged with. He dropped it off, looked at my
• 30:17
  wife and said here, he told me not to lose it, turned around
• 30:22
  and went home. I never went back and I did not
• 30:30
  go back to the area for a couple of years.
• 30:35
  I couldn't. I couldn't for me personally
• 30:46
  changed my worldview, changed how my view on terrorism,
• 30:51
  changed my view on the world, impacted me significant way.
• 30:59
  Thunder scared me for a long time.
• 31:03
  Low flying planes terrified me for a long time. 2 weeks later
• 31:07
  there was a plane crash in Bell Harbor.
• 31:10
  Look it up Steph, which all that's all numbers ran to this
• 31:15
  plane crash. I did not and had a very
• 31:20
  significant impact on me in a mental way.
• 31:25
  Didn't change how I looked, how I operated, but it changed me.
• 31:35
  It's not just where were you the day before, who were you the day
• 31:38
  before, and who were you after? So for every single younger
• 31:46
  American who doesn't think that 911 has anything to do with
• 31:52
  them, and it's a blurp in history, I have some news for
• 31:57
  you. Every single time you fly on an
• 32:00
  airplane and you got to take off your belt and you have to take
• 32:05
  the liquids out of your bag and you get randomly searched and
• 32:11
  the whole exercise, and I travel a lot, I fly a lot.
• 32:15
  And this entire TSA, what we know today exercise, I'm waiting
• 32:19
  on line going through security and blah, blah, blah.
• 32:23
  They can thank the perpetrators of 911 because that didn't exist
• 32:29
  in the United States of America before 9:11.
• 32:34
  That's first of all. Second of all, America was at
• 32:39
  war for 20 years in Afghanistan and Iraq and the outgrowth of
• 32:47
  the politics. I don't want to get into it, but
• 32:50
  America was at war and we lost 10s of thousands of soldiers in
• 32:57
  Afghanistan and Iraq because of 911.
• 33:01
  Let's let's be honest about that.
• 33:08
  A rough day. Crazy, man.
• 33:12
  You know, I always see September 11th on TV in the history books,
• 33:18
  right? I'm hearing it now for the first
• 33:21
  time, I think from anybody that described it to me, that was
• 33:24
  there. And it's just, it hits home
• 33:25
  differently. It hits, it feels more real.
• 33:29
  I feel very connected to it. Like as you're talking about it,
• 33:32
  I'm visioning myself walking the street at that moment and seeing
• 33:36
  what you're depicting and what you saw.
• 33:39
  It's surreal and it's not that long ago.
• 33:41
  I know 25 years sounds like a long time, but it feels like it
• 33:44
  was yesterday. I remember exactly where I was
• 33:47
  in September. I remember exactly the moment
• 33:50
  and who told me what was going on.
• 33:52
  I, I, I remember it all. But there are thousands of
• 33:55
  people that share your experience and that have some
• 33:59
  type of story to tell about that.
• 34:01
  Do we know how many from Jews there were at the towers when
• 34:07
  this happened? And how many from Jews perished,
• 34:10
  unfortunately. I don't have the number.
• 34:11
  I do remember at least a couple of names.
• 34:13
  Beagleizens, me Beagleizen, who I knew I forgot his first name's
• 34:19
  Al Manowitz. There were a couple of famous
• 34:21
  stories of people who of of of from families that that that
• 34:25
  suffered. There was there was aguna
• 34:28
  questions and there were just just Shiva.
• 34:31
  Questions. But it wasn't like hundreds,
• 34:33
  right it? Was, I don't think it was
• 34:34
  hundreds, but definitely we were impacted in significant way.
• 34:37
  And I would just, I would be remiss if I would not say that
• 34:43
  in the chaos and in the utter destruction of a madness, sheer
• 34:52
  madness of the day, it was Hatsala's finest hour.
• 34:58
  Absolutely the their our finest hour.
• 35:02
  Hundreds of members, selflessly, without fear or care for
• 35:08
  themself, jumped into action to save others.
• 35:15
  And it wasn't to save necessarily fellow Jews, it's
• 35:20
  true. It was to save their fellow man.
• 35:22
  Yep, on behalf of those of us that don't wear vests, thank you
• 35:26
  to all of you Hatsala members. I'm so curious.
• 35:28
  I've been thinking about this the entire time.
• 35:30
  How did anyone get stopped from going in?
• 35:33
  I'm curious. I had saw a guy that comes to
• 35:35
  911 comes to the buildings. Don't didn't they have didn't a
• 35:38
  lot of you have a feeling of wanting to even go further in?
• 35:41
  There's a famous story. I I recognize the danger.
• 35:47
  As I told you earlier, I didn't get too close to the building.
• 35:50
  I had no interest in getting too close to the building.
• 35:52
  I had plenty of work to do and what I was doing where I was.
• 35:55
  But there were others more senior than me and people who,
• 35:57
  you know, had their own reasoning for doing whatever
• 36:00
  they they went up to the building and they tried to get
• 36:02
  into the building. And there are stories, famous
• 36:05
  stories, famous stories of people who tried to get into the
• 36:10
  building and were stopped by the fire department and Police
• 36:14
  Department from getting into the building.
• 36:16
  They just said, no, we don't want you to go.
• 36:19
  We don't want you to go into the building.
• 36:20
  Don't go into the building. So they moved from this entrance
• 36:22
  to another entrance and they were stopped again.
• 36:26
  In retrospect, these were Malachan, literally Malachan
• 36:32
  sent to safeguard these Hatzalah members from going into the
• 36:37
  building. What would have become of them?
• 36:41
  The buildings collapsed, both of them.
• 36:44
  They literally tried to get in and they were denied access and
• 36:47
  could not get in. That's story one.
• 36:49
  Story 2 Hatzalah had set up a command post right next to the
• 36:53
  fire department, and then they were told to move to a different
• 36:57
  location. The location that they
• 36:59
  originally had set up. The command post was wiped out.
• 37:02
  The area that they were sent to, they survived.
• 37:06
  Yes, they had. They had the debris and
• 37:08
  everything else that fell down. But All in all, incredible
• 37:12
  miracles beyond belief, beyond understanding, without a doubt
• 37:19
  and stories, each story of heroism and courage and and
• 37:25
  creativity and just fine emergency response.
• 37:32
  I will say I wanted to go back to one more thing out of the
• 37:36
  outgrowth of that day for as long as I can remember, weeks
• 37:42
  and weeks and weeks, maybe months, every day was a funeral
• 37:47
  for firefighters and police officers.
• 37:51
  Every day the city was in mourning.
• 37:55
  The traffic was chaotic. You couldn't get into lower
• 37:57
  Manhattan. It, it turned New York City and
• 38:03
  the, and the entire country upside down.
• 38:06
  It was so impactful in a way hard to, to, to fathom to go
• 38:12
  back to that kind of chaos. So, you know, if they wanted to
• 38:17
  disrupt us, they certainly did. They most certainly did.
• 38:23
  And you talked about it for a moment.
• 38:26
  Similarly, October 7th, for this generation, which I'm a part of,
• 38:34
  I never thought in my life anything would come close
• 38:38
  anywhere near 911. But I can't possibly fathom that
• 38:45
  there isn't one person who's a thinking person, old or young,
• 38:50
  who doesn't recognize that for our time and our generation and
• 38:54
  the world that we currently live in, October 7th is right up
• 38:58
  there with days that will never be forgotten.
• 39:01
  Times in our life that will never be forgotten this very
• 39:05
  second. As you and I sit here to record
• 39:09
  this podcast whenever it's going to be replayed, we know what
• 39:13
  just transpired this morning in Qatar, in Qatar, OK.
• 39:18
  There's only one reason why they're doing that, because
• 39:20
  Israel has decided that it's game over and they're going
• 39:23
  after the hostages. We have not stopped.
• 39:26
  We will not stop. I did go Tere Chisro a few times
• 39:31
  last year and the year before I served together with a team of
• 39:34
  paramedics and the EMTs in Israel down South from the
• 39:38
  southern envelope. We LED a team of of Hatzolah
• 39:42
  responders from America. Barkhusham Hatzolah has
• 39:45
  partnered with Mug and David Adom and we went and six or
• 39:49
  seven teams. You have to remember the
• 39:52
  paramedics who operate a MUG and Dividend Dome are also
• 39:56
  reservists. And so when there's a national
• 39:59
  call up of this magnitude, someone has to man the
• 40:01
  ambulances. And so we have a partnership
• 40:04
  with MUG and Dividend Dome and I'm extremely proud.
• 40:06
  One of the proudest things I've ever done in my life was to go
• 40:10
  serve in archest role in, Stay wrote two weeks after the
• 40:16
  attack. October 20th, I was there.
• 40:19
  October the 25th, that's all. The members are special.
• 40:25
  Not me, but household members are special.
• 40:28
  Yeah, they get any recognition that's all from the city after
• 40:31
  September 11th. I don't know.
• 40:33
  I don't know. And I don't think that's all I
• 40:34
  was looking for, recognition, but it should be recorded in
• 40:37
  history of what was done and how it was done.
• 40:39
  They were there, they had a part of it, they were part of the
• 40:42
  recovery. That's your job.
• 40:43
  That's. How was your radio ever found?
• 40:47
  No. I'm actually, I'm actually
• 40:50
  curious like how did you, how did you get communicate with?
• 40:53
  Mozzilla, after you left, there was no communication.
• 40:55
  Zero. There was no communication.
• 40:56
  In fact, they did roll call later in the day, which I found
• 41:00
  out about, but I didn't know. And they were going, they were,
• 41:03
  they were doing going down the roster of all the members that
• 41:05
  responded, everybody. And they called my name out
• 41:07
  several times. They were looking for me.
• 41:10
  Must have been a scary. Moment I didn't know I wouldn't
• 41:12
  have a radio. I only found out later my wife
• 41:14
  and my mother knew. That were there any serious.
• 41:17
  A couple of stories from our from our side.
• 41:20
  We're extremely grateful that I'll tell the members no, not,
• 41:27
  not, not that day, no, whether or not some of the members got
• 41:32
  sick or didn't. Get smoke inhalation.
• 41:35
  I'm not a doctor. I'm not a statistician, but
• 41:38
  there's questions about, you know, it's.
• 41:40
  Definitely a real thing. You were there.
• 41:42
  You. Felt there, didn't.
• 41:42
  No question. I'm on, I'm on the registry.
• 41:44
  Yeah, I applied to the registry Barkershem.
• 41:47
  Just like to ask a little bit about you.
• 41:48
  Who are you when you grow up? I know you went to Camp Monk
• 41:51
  because the whole world knows you went to Camp Monk, but who
• 41:54
  are you? I'm a kid from Queens, OK, who?
• 42:00
  Barkershem had a phenomenal childhood, grew up in a great
• 42:03
  community. Kew Garden Hills in in the early
• 42:07
  70s mid 70s was a a wonderful place, melting pot, all kinds of
• 42:13
  Jews friendly, everyone knew everyone assuming that had a
• 42:18
  similar upbringing. The difference between Queens
• 42:21
  and Brooklyn, so to speak, at that time was Queens was
• 42:23
  obviously a little bit smaller, even the the different diverse
• 42:28
  communities of Queens till today we grew up, I went to Ichi of
• 42:31
  Terrace Moshe and Kew Garden Hills, Forest Hills, Kew
• 42:33
  Gardens, Regal Park, Hillcrest. That was the area you went to
• 42:37
  Terrace Moshe. So you had kids from literally
• 42:39
  every corner of the, from quote UN quote Queens communities.
• 42:45
  And so my grandparents lived one set in Kew Gardens, another set
• 42:49
  lived in Forest Hills and I lived in Kew Garden Hills.
• 42:53
  So we had three dominant neighborhoods covered.
• 42:57
  So today and 50 years later, you know, from my childhood, we're
• 43:02
  family. I, my, I've left Queens, my
• 43:04
  family's still there. My eye is still on Queens.
• 43:07
  I care deeply about the community.
• 43:08
  It's growing, it's changing. Today is a big aspartic Baharian
• 43:12
  neighborhood and community, but still a lot of hometown friends.
• 43:17
  You know, childhood is childhood.
• 43:18
  It builds a person in many cases for good and others for bad and
• 43:22
  you try to. But for me, Barkhosham it, it
• 43:25
  catapulted me into many different directions.
• 43:28
  I believe in relationships, I call upon them all the time.
• 43:32
  I love to see people, I love to talk to people.
• 43:34
  I enjoy having connections and being able to use them for the
• 43:39
  betterment of the community. And, and really from there I
• 43:42
  went to to Adelphia Shiva under the great Rabi Ruchim Shane and
• 43:47
  Abdavatrank Zaharin. Levraka's a cosotic, recalls
• 43:49
  Zaraka, my rebbe, who I never miss an opportunity to talk
• 43:52
  about. I met him in Cam monk and it's
• 43:55
  not a conversation about Abdavatrank, but his influence
• 43:58
  is all over me. He was a person who loved Jews.
• 44:02
  Every Jew, everyone, everywhere. Make no difference who you are,
• 44:05
  what you are from, not from Khasidi Schlitzer's fireship.
• 44:08
  Absolutely 0 difference To him, a Jew was a Jew.
• 44:12
  He believed in you, he loved you, and that was infectious.
• 44:16
  And that for us was extremely influential in our world view
• 44:21
  and how we deal, deal with and how we dealt with people.
• 44:25
  And so if you had a Rebbe who sat, who sits now in Eilim Haba
• 44:30
  in the Havas Ysro wing, those people, the Bardicheva Reba and
• 44:34
  the Ayev Ysrol, the Apterov and those Yiden who absolutely,
• 44:39
  unabashedly, unapologetically love Jews, that has influence.
• 44:45
  And all the Tamidim Revvedova training, wherever they are,
• 44:48
  thousands of them from Camp Hmong, from Adelphi Yeshiva,
• 44:51
  from Eresha Yeshua, those Tamidim are in Henoch, they're
• 44:55
  ask on him, they're balabatim, they're building communities,
• 44:57
  they're building families, they're good people, their
• 45:00
  hearts are in the right place. They're Bali Tadaka, they're
• 45:03
  Bali Hassan. Whether they have money or they
• 45:05
  don't, those are the people that will give their shirt off their
• 45:07
  back to you. Those are the people that will
• 45:09
  care about you. Those are the people who are
• 45:11
  making a difference and call yourself having a great Rebbie
• 45:15
  in your life and even having more than one, but even having
• 45:17
  one is impactful. And anybody who sits in this
• 45:21
  chair and is making a difference in Claudia as well.
• 45:23
  I can guarantee you that somebody in their life was an
• 45:28
  influence that pushed them in a certain direction.
• 45:31
  A parent, a rebbie, a friend, a mentor, a Big Brother, a big
• 45:35
  sister, whoever. Someone was a mentor to that
• 45:39
  person and pushed them to be great or that could be great.
• 45:44
  I've written about my Rebbe many times.
• 45:46
  He was the greatest flight instructor in history.
• 45:50
  He made us all believe that we could fly.
• 45:54
  Wow, I'm sure missing out on life by the way.
• 45:58
  I didn't have that. I know.
• 46:00
  Perhaps one of the better openings we've had.
• 46:03
  From any guest, first of all, just asking you to tell us a
• 46:06
  little bit about yourself. You gave me a nice little flavor
• 46:09
  about who you are and your passions, your energy just
• 46:12
  tremendous and already gave us a very important life lesson.
• 46:16
  Michael. Usually we save this like in the
• 46:17
  middle of the podcast we say, what's your message to the
• 46:19
  world? Well, there you have it.
• 46:21
  That was a really nice message. Do you know my brother-in-law,
• 46:24
  Rabbi Yoel Gold? Sure.
• 46:26
  So he's healthy boy. Yeah, exactly.
• 46:28
  Learned under of David Trank. Right.
• 46:29
  And I can guarantee you that Rabbi Yoel, your brother-in-law
• 46:33
  that I didn't know will sell, will tell you almost an
• 46:36
  identical description of what I of what I just said.
• 46:40
  I've heard this module in his own way.
• 46:43
  Yes, I've heard this speech before and he describes him in
• 46:46
  exactly the same fashion that. Our paths did not cross in
• 46:49
  yeshiva. I'm a little older than him, but
• 46:52
  it's irrelevant. Rebdova Trink was a Rebbe for
• 46:54
  over 50 years, and it's Tamidim who today are 80 years old and
• 46:59
  70 years old and 60 and 50 and 40 all feel the same.
• 47:05
  When you have someone in life who loves you with no
• 47:09
  conditions, it's rare. There's no errors about it,
• 47:13
  there's no agendas. I love you because you're my
• 47:16
  talented, care about you because you're my talented.
• 47:20
  Awesome. We live in a world today it's so
• 47:22
  cold, calculated and indifferent, apathetic, Who
• 47:26
  cares about anything? Me, me, me, all about me.
• 47:29
  And you meet a person who's completely selfless and all
• 47:33
  about you, you, you. It's something to hold on to as
• 47:37
  we navigate life. Amazing.
• 47:39
  Sounds like my kind of guy. I'd like to continue navigating
• 47:43
  your life, so take us through it.
• 47:44
  So what, what made you who you are today?
• 47:45
  What do you do today? What was that process like?
• 47:48
  I'm just, I've heard your name so many times.
• 47:51
  You know, growing up in Brooklyn, I got to be honest
• 47:52
  with you in the world of policies and families definitely
• 47:57
  heard your name a lot and I'm I'm it's an honor to have you
• 48:00
  sitting here, but I really want to know how you got started like
• 48:03
  and you know how anyone in your world of leadership and askanas
• 48:08
  and what happened like take us through that little bit for the
• 48:10
  of the of that process my. Father is a doctor, Doctor
• 48:13
  Bennett. Everyone knows him.
• 48:14
  He's in New Garden Hills. He's been a Doctor Barkhushan
• 48:16
  for a long time. He's a wonderful person.
• 48:18
  Is Ish has said in Ish Ms. is everyone says their father's a
• 48:22
  Sadiq, but father is a Sadiq, a well known person.
• 48:28
  My earliest recollection of my father in his role as doctor,
• 48:32
  although he had an office in our house, always did, was on
• 48:37
  Shabbos. People would come over to the
• 48:39
  house, they weren't feeling well or they needed guidance or
• 48:44
  something. I was enamoured by the idea that
• 48:50
  my father was a go to person for help.
• 48:54
  People in need went, came and come to my father for help.
• 49:00
  My uncle, my father's brother, Doctor Alan Bennett, Zahar and
• 49:03
  Lavrocha, same thing, always live near us.
• 49:08
  The Bennett family, but particularly the Bennett boys,
• 49:11
  Doctor, doctor and doctor, they became doctors for the real
• 49:15
  reason of becoming a doctor. They actually wanted to help
• 49:18
  people. They both became oncologists in
• 49:21
  the 1970s where cancer was ravaging, still is but Brooksham
• 49:27
  today. This treatments, those days, the
• 49:29
  treatments that we have today, we're not yet there.
• 49:33
  So they became hematologists, oncologists, blood specialists
• 49:37
  and oncologists. These were dealing with the most
• 49:39
  severe crises that were affecting everyone, most
• 49:44
  particularly Jews. And so they joined the medical
• 49:48
  field. I don't think medicine was going
• 49:51
  to be my calling. I couldn't probably get through
• 49:55
  medical school. I just didn't have this.
• 49:57
  It's flash today. We would maybe call it the other
• 50:00
  four letter words ADH, some, I don't know, whatever.
• 50:03
  I not self diagnosing. You have ADHD, you could.
• 50:07
  I have two brothers who are doctors.
• 50:12
  My siblings are are driven. We're all driven people and so
• 50:15
  for me personally, the idea of being the go to person and being
• 50:18
  someone who could help and make a difference to live life and
• 50:21
  just, you know, live your life wonderful.
• 50:24
  Raising a family is amazing. It's to task, it's a it's it's
• 50:28
  enough idea to raise a healthy family today in the world that
• 50:31
  we're living in with good well-rounded children in itself
• 50:35
  is an enormous accomplishment. And anyone who's watching this
• 50:37
  and anyone who's living their life and doing well and trying
• 50:40
  to just navigate making a living, raising your children,
• 50:44
  having a healthy show and bias and doing well in your life,
• 50:48
  call a cavode because a lot of people aren't and people are
• 50:52
  struggling. And so for that alone, that's
• 50:54
  enough. But for us that we have to make
• 50:59
  a difference. And, and we were raised, whether
• 51:03
  it was in the milk or but my parents raised us to care.
• 51:07
  We care. It was in your DNA.
• 51:09
  I guess because if you look at all my siblings, each one in
• 51:12
  their own way, I mean. What business did you go into I.
• 51:15
  Went into janitorial supply business.
• 51:17
  Nobody ever asks me what business I'm in.
• 51:19
  It's an amazing question my my brother-in-law who runs my
• 51:22
  company for me from merit to throw from efrat.
• 51:25
  My wifes brother would yell at me and say to me tell them what
• 51:28
  you do. I sell garbage bags and cleaning
• 51:30
  supplies to real estate management.
• 51:32
  Good luck to the real estate industry in New York is in
• 51:34
  completely, completely different conversation.
• 51:37
  Let's get into that. That's the conversation.
• 51:38
  I want to hear about these really the the moving of the
• 51:41
  neighborhoods. We're we're we're on the cusp of
• 51:43
  a major election in New York City and.
• 51:46
  Well, we, we, I think we get what's happening.
• 51:48
  Right, so So the real estate industry is in the crosshairs.
• 51:51
  What? What happens?
• 51:52
  What's that shift like? It's a major shift in, in, in
• 51:55
  both in, in demographics and both in the feeling of of, of,
• 52:00
  of fear, Shivas and, and and. Can you break it down for me, if
• 52:06
  you don't mind? Because I I hear a lot about
• 52:07
  this New York, there's a lot to fear of what might happen, but
• 52:11
  just. Look, I'm not a fear mongerer.
• 52:12
  I don't like to be a fear mongerer.
• 52:14
  I have a very active Twitter. Or they call X today X.
• 52:19
  I really try not to be a fear mongerer.
• 52:21
  I hate it. And usually it doesn't age well.
• 52:24
  You know, oh, this is going to happen.
• 52:25
  That's going to happen. And then three months or six
• 52:27
  months or a year from now doesn't happen.
• 52:29
  You look like a fool. I mean, you're not a Navi.
• 52:32
  So. But at the same time, reality is
• 52:35
  reality and you have to be realistic and honest.
• 52:38
  So there's a difference between being a fear mongerer and a
• 52:40
  truth Sayer. And today being a truth Sayer is
• 52:44
  not such a popular thing. People are afraid of the truth.
• 52:48
  So right now we're dealing with an election that's potentially,
• 52:51
  potentially, potentially has the potential to change New York
• 52:58
  City as we know it. This community that we currently
• 53:02
  enjoy, our lives in New York City that we currently enjoy to
• 53:08
  a great degree changed under the Rudy Giuliani administration.
• 53:12
  Before that administration, people will remember there was a
• 53:16
  feeling that the streets were not safe.
• 53:19
  At the end of the Dinkins administration.
• 53:20
  I was a very young boy, but I do remember you did had the Crown
• 53:24
  Heights riots. It was there was there was a lot
• 53:26
  of uneasiness. Again, I was very young, but at
• 53:32
  the beginning of the Giuliani administration, I got married
• 53:34
  very young. I was living in Flatbush and
• 53:39
  there was this 100% commitment to safety, security, quality of
• 53:45
  life. And if you know anything about
• 53:47
  the Giuliani administration, they introduce what they call
• 53:49
  broken windows policing, which basically is you deal with this,
• 53:54
  This was a Bill Bratton invention.
• 53:57
  He was the commissioner of the Police Department, first
• 53:59
  commissioner under Rudy Giuliani, and basically all
• 54:03
  quality of life issues are directly correlated to real
• 54:08
  crime. If you take care of the pan
• 54:11
  handlers, if you take care of the small petty theft, the the,
• 54:15
  the, the small burglaries, the the the bike stealing muggings.
• 54:21
  Not, not nothing, but nothing major.
• 54:24
  Those are called broken windows. Things that graffiti, those
• 54:30
  kinds of things, if you deal with the small things, they have
• 54:33
  a direct impact on the big things.
• 54:35
  And it was extremely successful. They drove down crime to record
• 54:39
  levels, levels that today we enjoy that Mayor Bloomberg after
• 54:43
  Giuliani also enjoyed and enhanced again, heavy, heavy,
• 54:49
  heavy focus on quality of life sort of moving out of that
• 54:54
  administration. The city's took a different
• 54:56
  turn, different policies above the Blasio administration.
• 54:59
  I'm not going to get into this particulars of all these
• 55:02
  different things, but the focus has sort of changed.
• 55:05
  I will say now as we're moving forward under Eric Adams has
• 55:09
  been again a recommitment to safety, but there's still, you
• 55:14
  know, people don't feel safe and there's a lot of anti-Semitism.
• 55:18
  The protests have a lot to do with it and just the overall
• 55:20
  atmosphere of wearing the Yamaka in the street today where this
• 55:23
  sort of quote UN quote, an open season feeling where we can
• 55:29
  potentially be in harm's way. That has an impact on people.
• 55:33
  That changes people's idea of if I'm not safe, nothing else
• 55:37
  matters. My children are not safe.
• 55:39
  Nothing really else matters. I could live in a beautiful
• 55:42
  home, in a beautiful community, but if I have to go to work and
• 55:45
  I have to take my life in my hands and I can't go on the
• 55:47
  subway and I can't go on the bus and I can't live my life and go
• 55:51
  out at night because I'm afraid. That fear, fear for your
• 55:56
  personal safety, transcends everything else.
• 56:00
  And so now you have an administration that potentially
• 56:03
  could come into play that saying all the wrong things.
• 56:08
  Yeah, they're backtracking now a little bit because it's
• 56:11
  unpopular because who in their right mind doesn't want safety
• 56:14
  for themselves and their family? But at the end of the day, I
• 56:18
  think the focus on this woke ideology that we've come to
• 56:23
  understand where things that are really not as important as
• 56:26
  personal safety. You know, we, we hear all these
• 56:29
  stories about people get mugged on the street and God forbid
• 56:33
  somebody stands up for themselves and pushes back or
• 56:35
  fights back, who becomes Public Enemy #1 the mugger or the guy
• 56:39
  who pushed back? We've seen the stories over and
• 56:41
  over and over again. Whereas the victim becomes the,
• 56:44
  the, the perpetrator. We see it in Israel and we see
• 56:48
  it on the streets of New York. The victim is someone who feels
• 56:52
  unsafe and is not willing to feel unsafe.
• 56:55
  So they push back. And so not to get too deep into
• 56:58
  the woods, but that's really what we're looking at right now.
• 57:01
  And it's it's certainly eye raising, eye-catching.
• 57:05
  And I think everyone should pay attention.
• 57:07
  And if I fall short in saying it, if there's anyone who lives
• 57:10
  in New York City that's not registered to vote, you are
• 57:13
  making a grave mistake, a grave, life altering mistake.
• 57:19
  There isn't a person over the age of 18, boy or girl, adult or
• 57:25
  teenager, older teenager, young adult, that is in New York City
• 57:32
  and will be for Election Day that doesn't vote.
• 57:36
  It is in every word that I could possibly say a tremendous
• 57:40
  irresponsibility, almost, dare I say, a dereliction of duty at
• 57:45
  this point in our lives in America.
• 57:49
  If I remember correctly, and by the way, I was with you
• 57:52
  throughout the entire sequence, and I'm a little younger than
• 57:56
  you, so I don't remember all of it.
• 57:58
  Like even in Giuliani's tenure, I don't remember as much.
• 58:00
  But I do remember that he introduced stop and Frisk,
• 58:03
  didn't he? I believe he did and he was very
• 58:06
  effective. And you're right, crime really
• 58:10
  went much. It was skyrocketing the years
• 58:13
  before and it was one of the worst cities to live in and they
• 58:16
  did a very nice job. I think the mugger incident that
• 58:19
  you talked about, the best example I can give us with
• 58:22
  Daniel Penny the train, that's what I was.
• 58:23
  Thinking. That's probably what you were
• 58:24
  thinking. That's probably what most people
• 58:26
  are thinking is that, you know, he stood up, he was a Good
• 58:29
  Samaritan and he, they, they dragged him through the mud for
• 58:33
  it. They dragged him through the
• 58:34
  mud. But this is very obvious to the
• 58:37
  three of us. And as we're both sitting here,
• 58:39
  I'm totally on board with everything you've said.
• 58:42
  And I think you said it very eloquently.
• 58:44
  And there's a lot of people listening that this is a no
• 58:46
  brainer. This is simple stuff.
• 58:47
  This is easy math. What is it that we see a lot of
• 58:50
  the younger people that are jumping on this bandwagon and
• 58:55
  they're OK with a lot of this talk about being soft on crime.
• 58:58
  And you see people that go to jail, they come out, they go
• 59:01
  back, they come out. And it's like we saw the writing
• 59:03
  on the wall. This person was in jail like
• 59:05
  four or five times. Why are they still roaming the
• 59:06
  streets? Like how many times are they
• 59:08
  going to have to do the same thing until we realize that
• 59:11
  they're unsafe to be on the streets?
• 59:13
  We got to get them off. We got to figure something out.
• 59:15
  But what is it that's appealing to this other side that people
• 59:19
  are? It's Catching Fire.
• 59:20
  You see a lot of the young people, a lot of the voters from
• 59:23
  18 till 20, 526, this is talking to them and they're liking this.
• 59:29
  What? What are we missing?
• 59:30
  What are we mean? How is it getting here?
• 59:32
  So excellent question and I don't I can't say that I have
• 59:37
  all the answers. I can say the following.
• 59:41
  First of all, a younger person is idealistic.
• 59:44
  They haven't really gone through the Hard Knocks of life is to
• 59:49
  looking at their future and to them someone who's who's
• 59:53
  speaking about issues that matter to them, equity,
• 59:58
  affordability, fairness to them that resonates.
• 1:00:03
  They don't see necessarily the bigger picture in terms of well,
• 1:00:09
  how you going to get all that? The details, if you notice the
• 1:00:13
  details aren't being discussed, it's.
• 1:00:16
  Fraud statements. We're going to make this more
• 1:00:19
  affordable. We're going to make that more
• 1:00:20
  affordable. Everybody's going to have be
• 1:00:23
  able to live in New York and everybody's going to be able to
• 1:00:25
  have a place to live. Eric Adams is a good guy.
• 1:00:29
  He's a good mayor. Every one of those issues means
• 1:00:32
  something to him. Bill de Blasio, whether or not I
• 1:00:35
  agree with his politics, was a decent person and certainly
• 1:00:40
  wanted affordability and certainly wanted safe streets,
• 1:00:44
  as did Mayor Bloomberg, as did Giuliani, as did David Dinkins
• 1:00:47
  and everyone behind them and everyone in front of them.
• 1:00:50
  But when you're speaking to young people and they're not
• 1:00:53
  pushing you on the facts, on the actual policies themselves,
• 1:00:59
  you're just talking in broad strokes and you're inspiring
• 1:01:04
  them and you're talking their language.
• 1:01:06
  He's a great communicator, Mamdani.
• 1:01:08
  He's an excellent communicator. I can vehemently disagree with
• 1:01:12
  almost everything he said, but you have to admit he's an
• 1:01:16
  articulate communicator. Like Obama?
• 1:01:19
  And, and when you're an articulate communicator,
• 1:01:22
  sometimes you can get away with fudging the facts, with ignoring
• 1:01:26
  them, sidestepping them. And so the young people who are
• 1:01:30
  listening to all of this, he's speaking their language.
• 1:01:33
  He's certainly testing all of these, you know, things.
• 1:01:36
  He's saying he has smart advisers and people who are out
• 1:01:40
  there who understand the world that we're living in.
• 1:01:43
  I'm going to tell you something that is obvious to anyone who's
• 1:01:46
  paying attention. The Israeli Palestinian issue
• 1:01:49
  that is currently dominating every day across the world.
• 1:01:54
  Israel is not winning the hearts and minds of the next
• 1:01:56
  generation. We know this, OK?
• 1:01:59
  We are exceedingly pro Israel in every possible way.
• 1:02:05
  We know who the victim is. We know who the perpetrators
• 1:02:07
  are. You don't have to be a rocket
• 1:02:09
  scientist to recognize that it's 700 plus days and you have
• 1:02:13
  hostages still sitting in in Gaza.
• 1:02:15
  OK, let's, let's, let's, let's get past the the obvious.
• 1:02:19
  But to the young folks, the young kids, they're not
• 1:02:23
  understanding the context of this fight.
• 1:02:27
  They see Israel bombing Gaza and they see Israel bombing Qatar,
• 1:02:32
  which is happening in real time. And they see Israel as the
• 1:02:36
  aggressor, the bully. And that's how the media is
• 1:02:40
  casting Israel. And so if TikTok and X and mass
• 1:02:45
  legacy media and everybody and all the influencers and the
• 1:02:49
  Tucker Carlson's on the right and the Roshanian anti Semites
• 1:02:52
  on the left, and maybe Tucker Carlson deserves that same title
• 1:02:57
  are all saying the same thing. Israel's the aggressor.
• 1:03:00
  So if your mom, Donnie, and you recognize and you believe this
• 1:03:03
  anyway, so it's not, you're not going out of your comfort zone.
• 1:03:06
  You're just speaking out and you're tapping in to what the
• 1:03:10
  mood is on the street anyway. Is it any surprise that you're
• 1:03:14
  doing well, that the polls are with you?
• 1:03:17
  So we right now, I don't even know what the majority is of New
• 1:03:20
  Yorkers. I have no idea because it's, it
• 1:03:23
  keeps changing. People move to Florida, people,
• 1:03:27
  people are moving to the suburbs.
• 1:03:29
  People are living in the five towns, people living in Muncie.
• 1:03:31
  People are moving to Toms River for a lot of reasons.
• 1:03:35
  The kids moved, the job moved, affordability, better lifestyle,
• 1:03:41
  quality of life, all the issues that matter to us.
• 1:03:44
  But in our community there are options.
• 1:03:46
  And so as people move out, both in the Jewish community and
• 1:03:51
  others, who's left, Who is now the plurality of voters in New
• 1:03:57
  York City? Seems to me that what we think
• 1:04:02
  is the plurality of conservative, moderate, normal
• 1:04:05
  people in New York City is not as moderate and conservative as
• 1:04:10
  you might believe. The same people that voted in
• 1:04:13
  Giuliani and Bloomberg are no longer in New York City.
• 1:04:17
  They've moved. Who's left behind?
• 1:04:19
  Middle class, immigrant families, good people, nice
• 1:04:24
  people, but they don't share our politics as far as they're
• 1:04:27
  concerned. Good schools, affordability,
• 1:04:31
  housing, major issues for them. And they're suffering and
• 1:04:34
  they're struggling and Mandani is talking to them.
• 1:04:39
  That's my take on the world. What do we do have we had a
• 1:04:43
  whole approach this vote? Well, I like you said, I don't
• 1:04:46
  think that we're the majority in there is voting the.
• 1:04:49
  Hypothetically, we vote it doesn't work.
• 1:04:50
  Then what? I'm not a Navi.
• 1:04:53
  Not a Navi, I'm just asking you and then what I.
• 1:04:55
  Think, I think people have to make decisions that are that are
• 1:04:58
  good for themselves and their families.
• 1:05:00
  I'm certainly not going to be the one to tell people to move
• 1:05:02
  out. That's not naive.
• 1:05:03
  That's not my place to do. Right.
• 1:05:05
  But I'm saying what? What else can you do if you're
• 1:05:06
  not moving? We have to strengthen our
• 1:05:08
  communities. We have to make sure that our
• 1:05:10
  elected representatives represent our views.
• 1:05:12
  Yeah, you have to vote. I want to I, I don't want to be
• 1:05:15
  self defeatist here in any which what way, but we currently have
• 1:05:19
  with all of what's going on right now, we have 6 religious,
• 1:05:24
  I think the number six in the New York State Assembly.
• 1:05:27
  Never before with all of the leftists and the woke ISM and
• 1:05:31
  the socialists and all the other garbage that we're, we're
• 1:05:35
  confronting. OK, communism and socialism.
• 1:05:38
  Right now in the New York State Assembly, we have a Hassidashi
• 1:05:41
  guy who represents Muncie, Aaron Wieder, Common Jaeger, Sam
• 1:05:46
  Heichenstein, Sam Berger, four guys right now.
• 1:05:50
  Plus you have David Weapon. He's 5.
• 1:05:51
  I'm I'm sure I'm missing somebody.
• 1:05:53
  We have Steph. He's going to be looking it up
• 1:05:55
  in a minute. At 5:00, I'm I'm I'm sure that
• 1:05:57
  there's a there's. A more than a handful.
• 1:05:59
  That's just Orthodox, Orthodox religious from representation
• 1:06:05
  and many other friends. Stacey Feffer Amato represents
• 1:06:09
  Far Rockaway. I mean, she's Jewish and she's
• 1:06:12
  very supportive of us and and several others who are very like
• 1:06:16
  minded. So you have 6 or 7 or 8, maybe
• 1:06:18
  10 even who are really strong supporters, which we've haven't
• 1:06:22
  had in the New York State Assembly and and maybe ever.
• 1:06:25
  So why is that? How is that you have Ari Brown
• 1:06:28
  on the other side and on the Republican side, but that's in
• 1:06:31
  the state Assembly. So you can question how
• 1:06:34
  effective a Republican is in the state Assembly with a super
• 1:06:37
  majority of Democrats. But be that as it may, Carl
• 1:06:40
  Hastie recognizes that there's a very strong block of religious
• 1:06:47
  Orthodox Jews who are representing their communities
• 1:06:50
  with great distinction, I might add, in the face of a lot of
• 1:06:54
  adversity. And they're doing well.
• 1:06:56
  And so how did we get those guys?
• 1:06:59
  How did we get these electeds to be in the state assembly?
• 1:07:02
  We voted. We voted them in, and other
• 1:07:05
  neighborhoods in other parts of New York City that have strong
• 1:07:09
  religious and moderate voices should make it their business to
• 1:07:13
  come out Election Day. I don't want to say we're going
• 1:07:15
  to lose this, the mayoral election, but the polls look
• 1:07:17
  pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty dismal right now.
• 1:07:21
  We're far out. That doesn't stop an iota of the
• 1:07:25
  importance answering your question.
• 1:07:28
  We're not going to give up City Council races, state Senate
• 1:07:31
  races, Assembly races, congressional races.
• 1:07:36
  And what's more important today than having representatives in
• 1:07:38
  Congress who are standing up and fighting for what we believe in?
• 1:07:42
  They're either fighting with us or they're fighting for us.
• 1:07:45
  It's one or the other. Either they're pro Israel or
• 1:07:48
  they're against you. Better make sure that your
• 1:07:50
  member of Congress knows how you feel because right now,
• 1:07:54
  specifically on the Democratic side, we need those moderate
• 1:07:57
  voices. The Richie Torres is the Josh
• 1:08:00
  got Heimers, the, the, the, the this Brad Schneider.
• 1:08:03
  There's a, there's a number. Richie Torres is very.
• 1:08:05
  Graceful grace, man. Support of Israel he.
• 1:08:07
  Has been, absolutely. He's been a staunch advocate,
• 1:08:10
  absolutely of the Jews and the religious Jews.
• 1:08:13
  And he's been great. And he is.
• 1:08:14
  He's, he's a really hardcore Democrat.
• 1:08:16
  He's a, he's a absolute. Trumper, you know.
• 1:08:19
  No question. About it, and that's OK.
• 1:08:21
  But he's moral, he has moral clarity, and he sees really
• 1:08:24
  right from. Richie to Richie Torres is the
• 1:08:26
  perfect example. You don't have to.
• 1:08:28
  I don't agree with Richie Torres on a lot of his politics.
• 1:08:31
  I just don't correct. But I'm able to look past my
• 1:08:34
  disagreements with Richie Torres and appreciate his incredible
• 1:08:39
  outspoken support and defense, not only of Israel, but of the
• 1:08:43
  Jewish people here in New York. And so, yeah, I know he's not
• 1:08:48
  going to vote for certain things that are important to me.
• 1:08:51
  He can't and he won't, and that's OK.
• 1:08:54
  We cannot allow ourselves to become so isolated in our
• 1:09:03
  politics that if someone doesn't agree with me 100% of the time,
• 1:09:08
  he's no good to me because we are going to find ourselves one
• 1:09:12
  day with no friends and no allies.
• 1:09:15
  OK, There's no question where the Jewish community stands and
• 1:09:19
  who they stand with. But we live in New York City, we
• 1:09:22
  live in New York State. So if you live in New York
• 1:09:25
  State, recognize it's a blue state, there is a super majority
• 1:09:30
  in the Assembly of Democrats. There's a super majority of
• 1:09:33
  Democrats in the state Senate, super majority of Democrats in
• 1:09:36
  the City Council. The mayor's a Democrat, the
• 1:09:38
  governor's a Democrat. Both senators are Democrats.
• 1:09:42
  There's one Republican in the New York City delegation right
• 1:09:46
  now. Out of 12 or 13 seats of
• 1:09:48
  congressional members that are sent to Congress, only one she
• 1:09:52
  represents Staten Island. Stefanik.
• 1:09:54
  Not Stefanik Sonics Upstate, no I forgot her name from.
• 1:09:57
  New York City. New York City, NY City
• 1:09:59
  delegation. We'll get back to her I forgot
• 1:10:01
  her name from. Her Stefan, we'll look it up.
• 1:10:02
  And you were right. There were six by the way,
• 1:10:04
  Orthodox Jews in terms of representative.
• 1:10:07
  You're very passionate about this and I, I, I'm.
• 1:10:10
  Passionate about it because I believe in it.
• 1:10:12
  I've experienced it. It's not financial for me.
• 1:10:17
  I, I, mark Hashem, I'm in a position in my life.
• 1:10:22
  I don't take any money from anyone for anything Hashem
• 1:10:27
  provides my parnosa in my business and I've never taken
• 1:10:30
  money from my esconus from anyone for anything.
• 1:10:33
  You know, when when I meet people that I haven't seen in a
• 1:10:36
  while at a wedding or at an event, I usually say them, so
• 1:10:39
  how was your week? That's how I open up in my
• 1:10:41
  question when I ask people, how was your week?
• 1:10:43
  Anybody say anything good? It's always an interesting
• 1:10:45
  answer, you know, but you know, then I, if I really want to get
• 1:10:49
  into it, what do you do during the day is, you know, how I
• 1:10:51
  politely ask somebody. So I'm curious, what would you
• 1:10:53
  answer if I asked you forget about how your week was.
• 1:10:56
  What are you? What is your daily life like?
• 1:10:58
  Are you advocating? Like what are you officially
• 1:11:00
  who, when, when does somebody call you?
• 1:11:02
  Like when does your phone? Ring no no no day or night in
• 1:11:05
  the work with. What is it A.
• 1:11:06
  First of all, I'm a Hatsala member.
• 1:11:07
  If you had a business card, what would it say on it?
• 1:11:09
  A firefighter, Chief firefighter.
• 1:11:11
  I put out firefighter fires. OK, OK.
• 1:11:14
  Right, we're problem solvers. Right.
• 1:11:16
  And you're on Hatsala, of course, that's still active big.
• 1:11:19
  Part of my life. Still active?
• 1:11:20
  Yeah. In Florida.
• 1:11:21
  Wow. OK.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah. You live in Florida?
• 1:11:25
  Part time. So you're one of those people
• 1:11:26
  that moved out and headed out to farms?
• 1:11:28
  Still in New York. So you have both residents?
• 1:11:30
  Here and I'm back and forth every week.
• 1:11:32
  After you find it, Nicole. Nicole Malliotakis.
• 1:11:35
  Malliotakis. That's the sole Republic.
• 1:11:37
  I'm sorry, Nicole, I apologize. I'm on a podcast.
• 1:11:40
  So what is it exactly that you do?
• 1:11:42
  I know you said you had. That's what I'm asking.
• 1:11:43
  I'm still. Curious like I, I.
• 1:11:46
  Who are you? Every?
• 1:11:48
  Who are you? You're not a politician, not in
• 1:11:50
  office, No. No.
• 1:11:51
  Are you a lobbyist? Like what?
• 1:11:52
  What? What exactly?
• 1:11:53
  I, I'm a lobbyist is someone who gets paid for lobbying.
• 1:11:55
  So I, I, I'm, I'm, I work on behalf of the Jewish people in
• 1:11:59
  government for with government, with, with other people.
• 1:12:04
  I try to, I try to, it's hard to, I don't have an activist.
• 1:12:08
  Yes, yes. How long ago did you lay down
• 1:12:11
  your financial hat, so to speak, in terms of working for money
• 1:12:14
  and say I'm going to just do this?
• 1:12:16
  I have an existing business we it runs every day.
• 1:12:19
  I keep my eye on it. I'm I'm involved in it.
• 1:12:23
  I bought, I bought Hersham have a very good support staff.
• 1:12:26
  Let my my brother-in-law and his wife you to live in a frat.
• 1:12:29
  So we sort of have a yeah, we have that, that back office
• 1:12:32
  situation. My wife is my partner.
• 1:12:34
  She helps me on on that end. And it's sort of like the the
• 1:12:39
  relationship, so to speak with with the Rabbi Kiva had with his
• 1:12:45
  wife. What's mine is yours, and what's
• 1:12:46
  yours, you know. I'm saying, but you're saying
• 1:12:50
  over a decade you're doing this type of work like.
• 1:12:52
  Probably more, not more at this point.
• 1:12:54
  Yeah. So I just I I I'm able to
• 1:12:56
  multitask. What is your favorite thing to
• 1:12:58
  do in all the work that you're doing?
• 1:13:00
  People ask me what's my favorite place to be in.
• 1:13:02
  OK, I say, wherever I am at that moment.
• 1:13:04
  OK, that's an answer to a question I didn't ask.
• 1:13:05
  What's your favorite thing to do in general, though, when it
• 1:13:07
  comes to health? Let me ask it differently.
• 1:13:11
  What is an area of expertise that you can say unequivent when
• 1:13:16
  someone calls you and you say I got this right as opposed to
• 1:13:19
  sending them to somebody else? Right.
• 1:13:21
  No, you missed it. You will.
• 1:13:23
  Your question was great up until the end because your last, no,
• 1:13:25
  your last line is the answer. I believe my greatest attribute
• 1:13:31
  is knowing who to call. Sure.
• 1:13:34
  OK, I'm a great dispatcher. Got it.
• 1:13:37
  That's it, I mean. The 411 for 911 I.
• 1:13:39
  I I for whatever weird or odd reason, I hear a problem, I
• 1:13:45
  think about it and I I believe that I I know or or know someone
• 1:13:50
  which who could help that person with the.
• 1:13:52
  I love that. I really love that answer.
• 1:13:54
  And because. My expertise is just self
• 1:13:56
  driven. Just say your cell phone number
• 1:13:57
  out loud if you don't, OK, You're like hesitating for like
• 1:14:01
  maybe I should. If anyone needs anything, they
• 1:14:03
  can call us. We'll call you.
• 1:14:04
  Now they know. Now we know somebody who knows
• 1:14:06
  somebody, right? Right.
• 1:14:08
  You're dealing with a lot of challenges, right?
• 1:14:10
  Can you give me some categories of challenges that people are
• 1:14:12
  calling you for? Religious people are under under
• 1:14:14
  tremendous pressure. Do you want financial pressure?
• 1:14:18
  All pressure, But specifically, I can't help the financial
• 1:14:21
  pressure per SE. Although the Aguda just had a
• 1:14:25
  very big win, which is not going to translate into real money
• 1:14:28
  this minute. But eventually, with the right
• 1:14:31
  Siata Deshmaya, the school choice win could potentially be
• 1:14:36
  a very big win for the Jewish people moving forward, not just
• 1:14:40
  the New York. But I hear you're right that you
• 1:14:41
  just say that Aguda did something.
• 1:14:42
  Of course. The country, yeah.
• 1:14:44
  So we're not going to get too deep into that.
• 1:14:46
  But yeah, Good has been working on this school choice bill for a
• 1:14:48
  long time. What is the school choice, Bill?
• 1:14:51
  Basically a federal bill that's going to allow money to go to
• 1:14:54
  scholarships to yeshivas. So private for the for the
• 1:14:58
  first, yes. To help those that can't afford
• 1:15:00
  to correct. Correct.
• 1:15:01
  Similar to what's happening in Florida, but on on a, on a grand
• 1:15:05
  scale and in a national scale. Again, there's a lot of caveats
• 1:15:09
  to it and they and they don't want to get.
• 1:15:11
  I wish them a lot of luck. So this, this was a very long,
• 1:15:14
  long labor of, of love and effort started many, many years
• 1:15:18
  ago. I myself was in Washington, I
• 1:15:21
  would say last year at least 5 or 6 times on this issue alone.
• 1:15:26
  I also, another issue of tremendous concern for me is
• 1:15:29
  discrimination. For me, it doesn't, I, I cannot
• 1:15:32
  allow a Jewish community that wants to grow, whether it's to
• 1:15:36
  build a shul, whether it's to build a yeshiva, whether it's to
• 1:15:39
  actually move to a neighborhood and be denied the American
• 1:15:43
  dream, I, I cannot, it does just not sit well with me and I will
• 1:15:47
  do everything I can in my power to bring it to the attention of
• 1:15:51
  those that it needs to be brought to.
• 1:15:53
  That's including the United States Department of Justice
• 1:15:56
  amongst others, which I've, I've been fortunate to make some good
• 1:15:59
  relationships now in this past administration.
• 1:16:02
  And this to me is an issue as Kaya swell grows, as the we grow
• 1:16:07
  and we spread out. So we are going to be facing and
• 1:16:10
  have been facing real discrimination.
• 1:16:13
  Now, what is discrimination in this setting?
• 1:16:15
  It's called land use discrimination.
• 1:16:17
  It's stopping the Jewish people from growing, from building,
• 1:16:21
  from going to places that they can go to.
• 1:16:24
  No other community, black, brown or otherwise, in this country
• 1:16:29
  would be subjected to the kind of discrimination, outward open
• 1:16:33
  discrimination that the Jewish people are subjected to.
• 1:16:36
  And so for me, that's something that I believe the laws on our
• 1:16:41
  side, federal law that our looper law, can you give?
• 1:16:44
  Me an example, I'm a little bit lost.
• 1:16:45
  Someone wants to open up a shul. Build a shul in Toms River, NJ
• 1:16:48
  in Jackson, NJ. And the town saying no.
• 1:16:50
  The town says no. God, you have to.
• 1:16:52
  You need 500 parking spots. You need 55 acres of land for.
• 1:16:57
  Experience in that world. That this, this is this is
• 1:17:00
  really the work that I go to that a grocery store does.
• 1:17:03
  This is the real in the trenches work that is being done
• 1:17:07
  privately, quietly, which takes quite a bit of time.
• 1:17:11
  And it's not one of these things that make makes headlines.
• 1:17:13
  It's not glamorous. It's not, you know, Press news
• 1:17:17
  release worthy, but for every community including Jackson, NJ
• 1:17:22
  and Toms River, NJ and and in Airmont and and and the
• 1:17:26
  Forestburg, New York, Bloomingburg, Blooming Grove.
• 1:17:31
  Do you have an opinion on the new square situation?
• 1:17:33
  I don't. OK You know about it though.
• 1:17:35
  I. I know of it.
• 1:17:36
  I don't. I don't.
• 1:17:37
  What's going on? A new square.
• 1:17:38
  The one mile. Has idea.
• 1:17:39
  I know about it. I know of it.
• 1:17:40
  It hasn't come to my plate. I think it's an internal Muncie
• 1:17:44
  New Square issue and it should be dealt with.
• 1:17:46
  Isn't every issue. Right, this is this is an
• 1:17:49
  internal issue. You say internal within our
• 1:17:51
  community, correct? That's what makes the
• 1:17:53
  difference. So it's not touching your.
• 1:17:55
  It's I don't have to go to the Department of Justice.
• 1:17:57
  Right, right. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:17:59
  And tell them that we're being discriminated against by people
• 1:18:01
  who hate Jews. Right, OK.
• 1:18:03
  And that's that's the thing that.
• 1:18:04
  I believe that that's, I mean wakes.
• 1:18:06
  You up. That gets you going.
• 1:18:07
  God wakes me up. I'm up.
• 1:18:10
  I just want to point out to be fair, OK, I'm I'm playing the
• 1:18:13
  devil's ad. Please do I know what you're
• 1:18:15
  going to say? Yeah.
• 1:18:15
  So you ready to know what I'm going?
• 1:18:16
  To I know what you're going to say is sometimes we have an
• 1:18:18
  obligation to be good citizens. I don't know if that's, if
• 1:18:23
  that's what I'm saying, OK. No, he's saying that we could.
• 1:18:25
  It looks bad sometimes we come into a community and.
• 1:18:27
  Suddenly, would you want to? That's what I gave.
• 1:18:29
  You there's potato. Chip bags everywhere.
• 1:18:31
  And then there's. Not just that.
• 1:18:32
  So it comes making big. Buildings and the reason why
• 1:18:35
  they need 500 parking lots because all of a sudden there's
• 1:18:37
  a bar mitzvah, there's a breast that the whole the whole street
• 1:18:40
  is lined with cars and the people that were living there
• 1:18:43
  for a long time have no idea what's falling.
• 1:18:45
  Also in one day they wake up and it became a commercial city.
• 1:18:49
  I have. I will repeat my line to you.
• 1:18:51
  Yeah, we have an obligation to be good citizens, but we don't
• 1:18:55
  always do that. You said you said that.
• 1:18:58
  No, he's replying, I think what you're trying to say.
• 1:19:00
  I understand the remedy and it's in a perfect world, you're
• 1:19:02
  right, but unfortunately, you know, we can't always control
• 1:19:06
  everything that goes on all over the place.
• 1:19:07
  We're Yamaka. You have a job to make a kiddush
• 1:19:10
  shasham. Simple.
• 1:19:12
  That's it. There you go.
• 1:19:13
  Yeah. That's very easily said.
• 1:19:15
  But. Doesn't always pan out there, of
• 1:19:17
  course. Doesn't always turn out there
• 1:19:18
  of. Course not, we're a big.
• 1:19:19
  Community but that's what I want to make it sound like we are
• 1:19:21
  indiscriminate when it comes to the land use the Jews.
• 1:19:24
  I I think that you know for a big so in America we actually
• 1:19:28
  have it pretty good. We had very good.
• 1:19:30
  I don't like this talk when I hear anybody, whether it's
• 1:19:33
  black, brown or Jewish or otherwise, that America is
• 1:19:35
  systemically racist and it's it's targeting against the you
• 1:19:39
  know, for the most part, we have it very good.
• 1:19:42
  We really do. And there are issues, of course,
• 1:19:44
  and there is racism and it's spotty and you can find it.
• 1:19:47
  And, and there's this prejudice that is anti, there's
• 1:19:50
  anti-Semitic things that are happening all over the place
• 1:19:53
  when. The town makes ordinances
• 1:19:55
  specifically designed to keep the Jews out.
• 1:19:58
  That doesn't work for me when laws are being made arbitrarily.
• 1:20:05
  That are targeting the Jewish community from growing, from
• 1:20:09
  building, from creating houses of worship within walking
• 1:20:13
  distance of the housing area. And you are making things
• 1:20:18
  onerous and difficult and you have to jump through hoops and
• 1:20:22
  other communities don't have to do that.
• 1:20:24
  You would never get away with saying black people are not
• 1:20:29
  welcome here. And those laws are saying
• 1:20:31
  straight out, blatantly Jews are not welcome here.
• 1:20:36
  That is illegal. Yeah, we could have an extreme
• 1:20:39
  is what we can have. It's not extreme.
• 1:20:41
  It's not extreme. I have a word for it.
• 1:20:43
  It's called government sponsored discrimination.
• 1:20:46
  When the government of a local Township or a town council
• 1:20:51
  creates a law that is onerous for the Jewish people.
• 1:20:56
  And that means that they there are 50 churches and 20 mosques.
• 1:21:02
  But if I want to build a shul in this city, I need things that no
• 1:21:07
  other structure in this town needs because they know if we
• 1:21:11
  don't have a shul, we can't function, we can't survive.
• 1:21:14
  They know this. To target a home that is
• 1:21:20
  currently being used as a shul, a garage, is violating the First
• 1:21:26
  Amendment of the United States Constitution.
• 1:21:29
  I know like in Muncie, in Pomona, in Brooklyn and
• 1:21:32
  Lakewood, we have a shortage of shuls.
• 1:21:34
  We have a shortage of schools. We have a shortage of pretty
• 1:21:36
  much anything. It looks like things are working
• 1:21:38
  out pretty well. I don't want to ring the alarm
• 1:21:41
  bell just yet. I want to pull the fire drill
• 1:21:43
  here. It sounds like you're trying to
• 1:21:45
  advocate for things that are rampant.
• 1:21:46
  Like these are real problems all over the place.
• 1:21:48
  Linden, NJ This is happening today.
• 1:21:51
  A huge community of primarily Hasidic Jews have moved into
• 1:21:56
  Linden, NJ. A lot of opportunity there and
• 1:21:59
  they can tell you first hand that they are going through
• 1:22:02
  hoops and having great difficulty with the leadership
• 1:22:05
  of the city and it's straight up discrimination.
• 1:22:10
  That they're not letting them. They're not letting.
• 1:22:12
  Them build their shul, they're bothering them with their codes,
• 1:22:16
  they're being difficult with them absolutely outwardly.
• 1:22:20
  Forestburg, New York, a firm developer bought the rights to
• 1:22:25
  1300 homes that was approved by the town prior to the firm
• 1:22:31
  developer buying this development.
• 1:22:34
  When it was a secular development from a developer in
• 1:22:36
  Texas, everything was approved magically.
• 1:22:39
  When the religious developer bought it, guess what happened?
• 1:22:43
  All the permits were rescinded and they are now in a 33 or 4
• 1:22:48
  year battle with this local town to be able to build the things
• 1:22:53
  that they want to build with tremendous hurdles, with outward
• 1:22:57
  discrimination. I myself went to testify at a
• 1:23:01
  local hearing on behalf of the community in Forestburg, NY,
• 1:23:06
  which is in Sullivan County. You never heard of it, but just
• 1:23:10
  because you never heard of it, and I'm not saying you just
• 1:23:14
  because it doesn't affect the Jews in Brooklyn or doesn't
• 1:23:17
  affect the Jews in Muncie, but we're growing and housing is
• 1:23:22
  unaffordable as we, I guess a. Testament to your point, these
• 1:23:24
  are things that are not making headlines.
• 1:23:26
  You know why, Michael? Because we have bigger problems.
• 1:23:29
  We got real. Issues we may have bigger
• 1:23:31
  problem, but those. Even them, even them, if you
• 1:23:34
  look at our history as a people, look at 60-70 years ago, we were
• 1:23:38
  literally being slaughtered on the streets.
• 1:23:40
  We were being put into gas chambers.
• 1:23:42
  I don't want to make the comparison but I'm saying it
• 1:23:45
  sounds like I don't know. I just get the sense like maybe
• 1:23:48
  I'm a little dense for saying this and don't jump down my
• 1:23:50
  throat. It sounds like we have it pretty
• 1:23:53
  good as far as these things you talk about.
• 1:23:55
  I understand anti-Semitic stuff is coming out now and it's
• 1:23:57
  terrible. I went just what?
• 1:23:59
  Way is it trending? It's trending worse, it's
• 1:24:02
  trending down so. When, when do we?
• 1:24:03
  That's it. I'm not so concerned that they
• 1:24:05
  don't let U.S. Open the show.
• 1:24:06
  So first of all, I don't like the comparison to gas chambers
• 1:24:09
  and all that stuff. That's scary.
• 1:24:10
  I'm a my grandparents were Alloco survivors.
• 1:24:13
  Let's let's be let's be moderate in our and out in the way we
• 1:24:18
  describe what we're dealing with just.
• 1:24:20
  Sure. Again, but I'm just trying to
• 1:24:21
  make a point is that we have it really good today.
• 1:24:24
  We have an amazing question. There isn't a Jew that isn't
• 1:24:27
  comfortable today. Now it's getting pretty bad.
• 1:24:30
  I understand all the rhetoric that's going on out there.
• 1:24:32
  And this is in the last, you know, 10 years or so.
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  And I'm just, I just don't think it is like the problems aren't
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  so major. In fact, the reason why I just
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  the reason why I'll disagree with you is because you don't
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  spend that much time going to the city.
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  You don't spend. That agree in the city, it's
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  there. I get it.
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  But Michael, I was just telling you yesterday I went to Totowa,
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  NJ, I walked into a random Home Depot, a Staples.
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  It was right next door at Home Depot.
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  I was like thinking twice if I said where am I?
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  I'm walking. And if you lived there, I was
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  thinking. Twice I get it.
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  I understand that you jogged my my memory now.
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  About 3 weeks ago on a Wednesday afternoon I got a panicked phone
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  call from a friend of mine who asked me if his son could call
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  me. Just had an incident in the PATH
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  station down by the World Trade Center area.
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  I said sure. Calls me up and tells me that
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  young boy, 2223 years old, working, going to work in
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  Manhattan lives in New Jersey and takes the PATH takes the
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  train from New Jersey to I think he'll maybe Teaneck maybe.
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  And he had an incident wearing Yamaka in the station.
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  He was on the train. He he feared for his life.
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  Someone was was literally stalking and bullying him,
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  challenging him in his face. A tall, tall, tall guy
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  intimidating, bullying guy say pro Palestine say pro Palestine
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  over the whatever the verbiage was, you know, you and he was
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  terrified. And then the guy, he started to
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  move away from the guy. The guy was chasing him.
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  Luckily for him, he, he, he ran into a couple of cops and and
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  they and they actually arrested the guy on this spot.
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  He called me up. He was shaking 2220 shaking.
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  Is this reasonable? No, it's normal.
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  So does it rise to the level of Nazi Germany?
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  No. But Hashem though.
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  This is a problem. But I'm I agree, but I was what
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  this. Is about what I was saying we in
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  land use things that were oh you.
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  Talking about land. Use Yeah, yeah, that's what I
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  mean by we're comfortable, we have a good.
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  I don't think there's a shortage of of schools, but.
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  I just want to say, may Hashem give you and all that solemn
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  members and all the. They deserve it, they deserve
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  it, they deserve it. And safety for you and all your
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  families. It's amazing the things that you
• 1:26:59
  guys do and like you said, it doesn't get the press but but we
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  feel. The way it should be.
• 1:27:05
  Yeah, yeah. But we feel.
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  The press where it counts a. 100% and very seldom do we stay
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  quiet for so long when someone's talking I.
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  Have one more. I have one more thing I do want
• 1:27:15
  to add. I'm sorry, I can go.
• 1:27:16
  For much longer, but we just unfortunately.
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  I I do have one more thing that an everlasting impact of that
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  day, which I think it would be worthy to say to you.
• 1:27:30
  So this was a earth shaking. It actually is a message.
• 1:27:33
  This is an earth shaking, life altering experience.
• 1:27:37
  You can see it's 24 years later. I'm emotional just saying it
• 1:27:40
  over. The detail is so vivid.
• 1:27:42
  I could I went to a sheer I remember in Le Chateau.
• 1:27:46
  You remember Le Chateau where was Ave.
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  P in east of? Course, of course, of course.
• 1:27:52
  Huge. Huge a big public gathering in
• 1:27:57
  Flatbush post 911 for the entire community, as we want to do
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  after these kinds of events. And Ramatasyo Solomon was there
• 1:28:09
  and he spoke. He was one of the guest speaker.
• 1:28:11
  Ramatasyo Solomon was Mashkeek base marriage Gavoa.
• 1:28:14
  He had just come to America. He was extremely brilliant,
• 1:28:20
  wonderful Tadek English. So his speech style and his
• 1:28:25
  verbiage and his accent was very easy to listen to.
• 1:28:29
  Like you feel like you're, you're, you're, you feel like
• 1:28:32
  you're an Oxford. You're, you're listening to
• 1:28:33
  royalty. You listen to royalty.
• 1:28:35
  And that's what mother sees Salman, the way he spoke and,
• 1:28:38
  and he was impacting and talking to us about, you know, the, the
• 1:28:42
  trepidation and how we feel of the moment.
• 1:28:46
  And he said something I'll never forget.
• 1:28:51
  And I took home with me. He said you feel like you want
• 1:28:55
  to make huge changes in your life because Rosh Hashanah time,
• 1:29:00
  Yom Kippur time, such an event cannot go unanswered.
• 1:29:06
  And if you're thinking Jew, not if you're thinking person.
• 1:29:08
  And he said you want to make big changes in your life but
• 1:29:15
  understand big changes don't last.
• 1:29:20
  Find something small to do, take it upon yourself and do it and
• 1:29:29
  it will be long lasting. And he gave 2 examples. 2
• 1:29:33
  examples I remember he gave first example was to bench
• 1:29:38
  inside of a sitter. That was his first example.
• 1:29:42
  Seemingly not a huge lift for such a big thing.
• 1:29:47
  I didn't do it. The second thing he suggested
• 1:29:52
  was about to say, oh, it's close to yoga.
• 1:29:54
  And Elena about to say oh said, don't you think it's time to
• 1:30:00
  believe in Hashem? Ani maman bamuna shalima, Every
• 1:30:07
  day after davening, take upon yourself to strengthen your
• 1:30:12
  imuna in the body. Shalalam start saying ani maman
• 1:30:17
  after davening every day. And I heard what he said and I
• 1:30:24
  took it upon myself. And the one and only Kabbalah
• 1:30:28
  that I took on 24 years ago, I still do every single day and
• 1:30:34
  every single day except Shabbos, every single day I say an Imamin
• 1:30:39
  and I think about Ramatasyao. I think about 911 and I think
• 1:30:43
  Hashem for saving me. Wow.
• 1:30:47
  Incredible. Wow.
• 1:30:50
  People go lifetimes, generations without experiencing something
• 1:30:55
  so traumatizing and you are a better person for it.
• 1:31:00
  At the end of it. You're not bitter, you're not
• 1:31:02
  angry, you're not resentful. You, you, you were there to help
• 1:31:06
  people. You ran into the fire.
• 1:31:08
  They always say, you know, there's two kinds of people,
• 1:31:10
  those that are running out of the fire and those that are
• 1:31:11
  running towards it and my. Wife My wife would really
• 1:31:14
  appreciate me if I would stop running it.
• 1:31:19
  That's also what protects you, so it's.
• 1:31:21
  She gave up. Amazing.
• 1:31:24
  You know, we always say we, we, we expect the message in our
• 1:31:28
  podcast. We have so many messages, this
• 1:31:30
  entire story, this everything that you said, everything that
• 1:31:33
  you stand for. First of all, congratulations on
• 1:31:35
  everything you've been doing till now.
• 1:31:37
  And we look forward to all the wonderful things that you will
• 1:31:39
  be doing regardless of politics and regardless of who's there.
• 1:31:42
  We all have how our work to. Politics is a means to an end.
• 1:31:46
  If you're in the politics for the sheer politics, you won't be
• 1:31:50
  successful. Now that's the message before we
• 1:31:53
  let you go. First of all, do you have any
• 1:31:54
  questions for us? We always like to.
• 1:31:56
  Enjoy the conversation, keep doing good stuff.
• 1:31:59
  There are a lot of great people out there doing great things.
• 1:32:02
  People you don't know about, find them.
• 1:32:03
  They're great people. Out well, that that leads us to
• 1:32:05
  our next question. If you were to pick a guest that
• 1:32:07
  would fill that seat to to be on the None of Your Business
• 1:32:10
  podcast, who would you recommend?
• 1:32:12
  A guy named Naftali Miller. Well, that was quick.
• 1:32:15
  OK, Who's Naftali Miller? Naftali Miller happens to work
• 1:32:18
  for the Agoda, but that's not why I would I would ask you to
• 1:32:20
  bring him here. I just spent Sunday in Florida
• 1:32:26
  working with Khasdelev and I, all my friends are all Tamidim
• 1:32:32
  Ravdevitrank, Aaron Rosenfeld and Sammy Miller and Naftali
• 1:32:35
  Miller. And even those who are not were
• 1:32:38
  not Tamidim Ravdevitrank, but would be Tamido Ravdevitrank,
• 1:32:43
  the son of gold Shlemi Bischewski, the Bischewski
• 1:32:46
  family. This Khasdelev thing is so
• 1:32:50
  phenomenally impressive and so amazing, and Aftali Miller is
• 1:32:54
  one of the progeners of it. He's one of the founders of it.
• 1:32:59
  Basically, they took the idea of thanking Arabim and our Moros to
• 1:33:05
  a new level, a level of Natsadaka, a level of
• 1:33:10
  Akarasatov. And there's a fine line between
• 1:33:13
  making someone a Nebuch and making someone a hero.
• 1:33:16
  And they have done it successfully.
• 1:33:19
  They are supporting and putting our Rabaim and our Moros, who
• 1:33:23
  are responsible for molding our generation and the next
• 1:33:27
  generation, the next Kosko Bennett and the next podcasters
• 1:33:33
  and the next Sadiqim and Askanim and special people.
• 1:33:36
  Who do you think is creating them and molding them?
• 1:33:39
  It's our Rabaim. They're the ones who own the
• 1:33:41
  minds of our children for good or for bad.
• 1:33:45
  So they should be heralded the good ones, they should be
• 1:33:48
  treasured the good ones. And and this has they leave is
• 1:33:53
  such an unbelievable thing, what they've done.
• 1:33:55
  They're in every major city now you got to see this.
• 1:33:59
  A bunch of yeshiva guys created the most sophisticated holiday
• 1:34:03
  distribution in the world. They do twice a year.
• 1:34:07
  The Muncie distribution, the first one we ever had, You can't
• 1:34:11
  say no to that, my friend. Know about this.
• 1:34:12
  Yossi Brockfeld calls me and you'll see guy when Yossi calls.
• 1:34:16
  That's a great guy. So.
• 1:34:18
  And he said, you know, we're doing a thing.
• 1:34:20
  And I didn't even have to ask him what it was.
• 1:34:22
  I was just saying give me the address.
• 1:34:23
  And what was your and what was your?
• 1:34:24
  And I was there. It blew me away.
• 1:34:26
  Like you just the efficiencies of a bunch of yeshiva.
• 1:34:29
  Guys, such a fresh new concept. It's beautiful.
• 1:34:32
  You're already. A few years old.
• 1:34:33
  Yeah, it's massive in Flatbush. I mean massive.
• 1:34:37
  They take over Floyd Bennett Field.
• 1:34:39
  I'm talking about 1000 plus. I don't know the numbers.
• 1:34:43
  I just did it in Florida. We just delivered 172 packages.
• 1:34:46
  We took over an entire park or rented a Park 7 tractor
• 1:34:49
  trailers. They have 250 tractor trailers
• 1:34:52
  in Floyd Benefield and they're doing it in Muncie and they're
• 1:34:55
  doing it in the Five Towns and they're doing it in Baltimore.
• 1:34:57
  Great concept, great idea. And the whole concept is thank
• 1:35:01
  you Revi, perfect. Thank you, Reb Hotzkill, we
• 1:35:05
  really appreciate it. Greatest pleasure.
• 1:35:07
  Thank you so much to Isaac Newman, the Gabi of All Gabi's
• 1:35:12
  for recommending you and bringing you on this program.
• 1:35:15
  And we appreciate your recommendation.
• 1:35:16
  Abram Naftali Miller, we're definitely going to reach out to
• 1:35:18
  him. Thank you again to all of our
• 1:35:19
  listeners, our subscribers, Prime Stars production team and
• 1:35:22
  Twillery. That's a Rep.
• 1:35:24
  That's a Rep.