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Vibe Sesh 32: Jai Long — Find the Crack in the Wall · Vibe Sesh Podcast

0:03
SPEAKER_01: Hey, hey.
0:05
SPEAKER_01: What's going on, Mr. Jai Long?
0:06
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
0:07
SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm missing my co-host tonight.
0:11
SPEAKER_01: He's been doing Vibe sessions with me for probably 60 Vibe sessions together
0:17
SPEAKER_01: because we were doing Vibe sessions on X.
0:21
SPEAKER_01: So tonight must be a really bad night for him.
0:24
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
0:25
SPEAKER_01: To miss.
0:25
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
0:27
SPEAKER_01: He's like, I'm stressed.
0:28
SPEAKER_01: I can't do it.
0:29
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, man, but I'm sad because I wanted him to meet you, bro.
0:34
SPEAKER_01: He's like a Gen Z guy and we need more models like you, brother.
0:38
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
0:40
SPEAKER_00: We scared him off.
0:41
SPEAKER_01: We scared him off.
0:44
SPEAKER_01: Bro, but yeah, I'm a little nervous because this is the first time I'm doing it without him.
0:49
SPEAKER_01: To be honest, I think he was a little bit of a crutch for me.
0:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm being honest right now.
0:53
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
0:54
SPEAKER_01: So I'm a little nervous, but you seem cool.
0:56
SPEAKER_01: So I feel good now.
0:57
SPEAKER_00: Don't worry, you got nothing to hide.
0:59
SPEAKER_00: I can see how you pronounce it.
1:01
SPEAKER_00: Worm.
1:02
SPEAKER_00: Worm.
1:03
SPEAKER_00: Worm.
1:04
SPEAKER_00: Worm.
1:05
SPEAKER_00: How do
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SPEAKER_01: you guys say it in
1:07
SPEAKER_00: Australia?
1:08
SPEAKER_00: How do you say it in Australia?
1:09
SPEAKER_00: W-O-R-M.
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SPEAKER_00: Worm.
1:13
SPEAKER_01: Worm.
1:13
SPEAKER_01: Worm.
1:14
SPEAKER_01: Exactly as in American English, right?
1:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: Bro, did you watch the video I made right now?
1:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: That's one of the reasons why I invited you here, Jai Long.
1:32
SPEAKER_01: I need more.
1:48
SPEAKER_01: And I'm using you to get more Australian followers.
1:50
SPEAKER_00: There's not many down there.
1:51
SPEAKER_00: There's not many down there.
1:53
SPEAKER_00: It's like three people.
1:55
SPEAKER_00: It's like my uncle.
1:58
SPEAKER_01: He's two friends.
1:59
SPEAKER_01: That's it.
2:02
SPEAKER_01: Damn.
2:04
SPEAKER_01: Man, that's a good way to start off a podcast now, bro.
2:08
SPEAKER_01: Damn.
2:09
SPEAKER_01: How are you doing, bro?
2:11
SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
2:11
SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I'm talking too much.
2:13
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say we're small but mighty down there, small but mighty.
2:16
SPEAKER_00: So there's not many of us, but they make an impact.
2:20
SPEAKER_00: You mean Australians you're talking about?
2:22
SPEAKER_00: Australians, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:23
SPEAKER_01: Why do you say there's not many of you guys?
2:26
SPEAKER_00: Well, you know,
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SPEAKER_00: you travel anywhere else in the world
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SPEAKER_00: and it just feels like there's people everywhere.
2:31
SPEAKER_00: You get to Australia and it's like, why is there not one other person at the beach?
2:36
SPEAKER_00: You know, like it's just no one anywhere.
2:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:38
SPEAKER_00: So it's such a big space.
2:40
SPEAKER_01: No, but that's not true.
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SPEAKER_01: If you go to Bondi Beach, for example, it's crowded.
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SPEAKER_01: There's no space there.
2:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: but this is like the tiniest beach out of the whole coastline of the biggest island
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SPEAKER_00: in the world.
2:50
SPEAKER_01: You're right.
2:51
SPEAKER_01: You're right, though.
2:51
SPEAKER_01: You're right.
2:52
SPEAKER_01: I've been to Australia.
2:53
SPEAKER_01: I spent one month there.
2:54
SPEAKER_01: So I know what you're saying.
2:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
2:59
SPEAKER_01: It's not representative is what you're saying, right?
3:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
3:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no.
3:04
SPEAKER_01: Hey, but where do I want to say?
3:06
SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to talk to you, bro.
3:08
SPEAKER_01: Your story is fascinating.
3:11
SPEAKER_01: And what was I going to say here?
3:14
SPEAKER_01: So tonight, guys, hey, everybody, welcome.
3:17
SPEAKER_01: Welcome, Jai Long.
3:19
SPEAKER_01: By the way, why does your name, why do you have a porn star name?
3:23
SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
3:24
SPEAKER_00: Good question, actually.
3:27
SPEAKER_01: Your first question of the night, bro.
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SPEAKER_01: Is that your real name?
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SPEAKER_01: Or is that a porn star name?
3:32
SPEAKER_01: It's a porn star name.
3:34
SPEAKER_00: It is actually a very strange name.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a strange name in Australia as well.
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SPEAKER_00: But it wasn't the name I was born with.
3:42
SPEAKER_01: No.
3:42
SPEAKER_00: Oh, shit.
3:43
SPEAKER_01: Damn, dude, you are all about reinvention, bro.
3:47
SPEAKER_01: You're even reinventing your name, bro?
3:50
SPEAKER_01: That's true.
3:51
SPEAKER_01: The question for me this tonight is you say that your
3:56
SPEAKER_00: reinvention abilities is your superpower.
3:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm wondering if you're like latching on to that identity as, you know, I'm a reinventor.
4:07
SPEAKER_01: That's what I wonder about you, bro.
4:08
SPEAKER_01: Like that's the vibe.
4:09
SPEAKER_01: I'm the Vibe Samurai.
4:10
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
4:13
SPEAKER_00: It's interesting, man, but we're always reinventing ourselves whether we like it or not.
4:18
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes there's two choices that we have
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SPEAKER_00: that I've noticed throughout my life is like sometimes there's a higher calling
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SPEAKER_00: and I reinvent myself because I'm like, oh, I could do more.
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SPEAKER_00: Other times,
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SPEAKER_00: You lose something or something happens,
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SPEAKER_00: you lose your job,
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SPEAKER_00: your relationship with something,
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SPEAKER_00: and then you're like, well, I need to reinvent myself.
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SPEAKER_00: But regardless, we always need to reinvent ourselves.
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SPEAKER_00: Sometimes we get to choose and sometimes the universe chooses for us, you know?
4:46
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
4:47
SPEAKER_01: Tell me more about the higher calling, bro, though, like the higher calling.
4:52
SPEAKER_00: Look, I don't know if you've ever felt this way,
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SPEAKER_00: but at one point,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever you're doing right now is,
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SPEAKER_00: A dream that you had in the past and you imagine that like,
5:03
SPEAKER_00: imagine if I had a million followers on social media,
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SPEAKER_00: imagine if I can host live videos on X and Instagram,
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SPEAKER_00: imagine if I could connect with people around the world and it's scary and it's big,
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SPEAKER_00: it's impossible,
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SPEAKER_00: it's unrealistic and you follow it and maybe it's scary and there's some fear
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SPEAKER_00: and everything, but somewhere along the line, it became your life.
5:25
SPEAKER_00: And it became, oh yeah, it's just Wednesday night.
5:27
SPEAKER_00: I'm just talking to Jai Long from Australia.
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SPEAKER_00: And when that happens, then it's like, well, what do I do?
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SPEAKER_00: Do I just continue growing followers?
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SPEAKER_00: Do I need another million?
5:38
SPEAKER_00: Do I just need another million dollars?
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SPEAKER_00: Do I just need another?
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Or do I need to actually let go of my bill so I can put myself back to
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SPEAKER_00: where I have nothing again?
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SPEAKER_00: And I can see what's possible for me, you know?
5:55
SPEAKER_00: So it's like putting yourself back into a place where you have nothing to lose,
6:00
SPEAKER_00: everything to gain, and the world becomes wondrous again.
6:03
SPEAKER_00: You know, you've got that curiosity.
6:06
SPEAKER_00: That awe, right?
6:08
SPEAKER_01: That wonderment.
6:11
SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you something so interesting about this, right?
6:13
SPEAKER_01: So I started this journey in January, right?
6:16
SPEAKER_01: And so like,
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SPEAKER_01: this is a completely new reinvention for me too, from,
6:21
SPEAKER_01: I was in an era,
6:22
SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you more later, but,
6:24
SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: and then I reinvented myself But before that I was in kind of like training mode
6:30
SPEAKER_01: without even realizing, right?
6:32
SPEAKER_01: Like I was doing Vibe Sesh Lives,
6:35
SPEAKER_01: I speak four languages so I always have to keep them in practice so I go to
6:38
SPEAKER_01: a language app where I meet people.
6:42
SPEAKER_01: I've been doing this even unconsciously, and that's led me to this moment.
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SPEAKER_01: And then finally, I've been thinking about this, exactly what you said.
6:50
SPEAKER_01: Because people were telling me, you should be a content creator.
6:53
SPEAKER_01: I'm a coach, right?
6:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm an international communications coach.
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SPEAKER_01: And during those conversations, people would be like, wow, you're dropping this.
7:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're so fun.
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SPEAKER_01: You should make content.
7:02
SPEAKER_01: And I've done so many messages like this and I just didn't do it because of the fear, bro.
7:08
SPEAKER_01: Like eight years of that, bro.
7:10
SPEAKER_01: And that's what I want the audience to know.
7:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't want it to be that long.
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SPEAKER_01: But those eight years were very transformative for me.
7:18
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
7:18
SPEAKER_01: So I kind of had to go through that.
7:20
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
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SPEAKER_01: So it's like the whole kind of thing.
7:25
SPEAKER_00: Can I tell you something on that?
7:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
7:27
SPEAKER_00: It's interesting because I wrote a book about all this, right?
7:30
SPEAKER_00: And I was just reading the audiobook version of it.
7:32
SPEAKER_00: And I was reading it back myself because I wrote it a year ago.
7:35
SPEAKER_00: And there's something that sort of hit me.
7:36
SPEAKER_00: But I talk about in this,
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SPEAKER_00: there was a point where I got asked to speak on a podcast and I was so scared,
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SPEAKER_00: more scared than anything else in my life because I barely went to school.
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SPEAKER_00: I couldn't speak very well.
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SPEAKER_00: I was scared of being seen.
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SPEAKER_00: There's nothing to hide behind.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know how they're going to portray me, all this kind of stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: So I was just so scared.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I realized I...
8:00
SPEAKER_00: I actually wanted to start a podcast myself.
8:04
SPEAKER_00: And the reason being is because I was so scared of it.
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SPEAKER_00: It had power over me.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is the most,
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SPEAKER_00: we don't know this yet, but it's the door that you're supposed to open, you know?
8:17
SPEAKER_00: So it's like, oh my God, that's the scariest door.
8:19
SPEAKER_00: It's the same as the first time I spoke on stage.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, I never want to do that.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was so scared of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Then I was like, oh, I have to do this actually.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, like this is the thing.
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SPEAKER_00: It's important.
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SPEAKER_00: That's why it's scary.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's like,
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SPEAKER_00: just like you,
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SPEAKER_00: social media, it's like eight years, but it's like, it's the scariest thing.
8:35
SPEAKER_00: But actually, it was the thing that changed your life, right?
8:38
SPEAKER_00: It was the thing that was telling you this for eight years,
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SPEAKER_00: saying you should do this, you should do this, and you're scared, you're scared.
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SPEAKER_00: Until you finally said, oh, okay, I'm just going to, I'm going to do it regardless of the fear.
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SPEAKER_00: And then it was the door that had the opportunities behind it.
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SPEAKER_00: And what's so crazy about that too,
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SPEAKER_01: Jai, is that like, Now you can't even believe it.
8:59
SPEAKER_01: It's not like regret, but I'm like, what took you so long?
9:03
SPEAKER_00: Totally.
9:04
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
9:05
SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
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SPEAKER_01: It was all part of the process.
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SPEAKER_01: It was a great eight years.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not like super traumatic or anything.
9:11
SPEAKER_01: Right.
9:11
SPEAKER_01: But I had that like urge to like need, you know, my full potential wasn't coming out.
9:17
SPEAKER_01: That's what I felt.
9:19
SPEAKER_01: Right.
9:19
SPEAKER_01: And I had like certain things that Like I was into psychology and stuff when I was a kid.
9:24
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to be an FBI profiler.
9:26
SPEAKER_01: Right.
9:27
SPEAKER_01: But I grew up in an Asian culture.
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SPEAKER_01: So my parents kind of like said,
9:30
SPEAKER_01: no, no money in that, you know, go go into business and this and that.
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SPEAKER_01: So I always kind of squashed it.
9:35
SPEAKER_01: Right.
9:36
SPEAKER_01: And so anyway, so it's a long process.
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SPEAKER_01: But what I'm saying is now it's like so easy.
9:42
SPEAKER_01: Right.
9:42
SPEAKER_01: It's just it's so familiar with.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_01: Like it's like, why were you so scared?
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SPEAKER_01: Like it makes no sense.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: I've got a question for you.
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SPEAKER_00: What door right now is scaring you?
9:58
SPEAKER_00: You walk through this door, but there's always a new door.
10:01
SPEAKER_00: There's always a new door.
10:03
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
10:04
SPEAKER_01: There's always a new door,
10:05
SPEAKER_01: but I don't want to wait another eight years until I go into that door, bro.
10:10
SPEAKER_01: But you know what I'm saying?
10:12
SPEAKER_01: Because I don't have eight years, bro.
10:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm 51.
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SPEAKER_01: So this is what I...
10:16
SPEAKER_01: It must be like destiny.
10:17
SPEAKER_01: That's why you're talking to me, bro.
10:19
SPEAKER_01: Because I need to break out of this.
10:22
SPEAKER_01: But I feel like, look, I took eight years, whatever, right?
10:25
SPEAKER_01: And then January, boom, I blow up.
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SPEAKER_01: And now I'm on like, kind of like a plateau where I'm like, where do I go the next step?
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SPEAKER_01: Because now, even though it's only been eight months, it's familiar.
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SPEAKER_01: It's comfortable again.
10:37
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
10:38
SPEAKER_01: It was scary in January.
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SPEAKER_01: Very scary.
10:41
SPEAKER_01: Like the first 20, I was like, ah, you know, like even turning on the camera.
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SPEAKER_01: And now it's just like so easy.
10:47
SPEAKER_01: But like, it's so nice and comfortable.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm enjoying it.
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SPEAKER_01: Meeting people like you, like I'm scared if I change too much, do I lose this kind of thing?
10:59
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
11:02
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
11:03
SPEAKER_00: It's the hardest thing about making your break is you have to be willing to let go
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SPEAKER_00: of what you've built and no one wants to do that.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like, for instance, and I know that you looked up my backstory and stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: When I let go of me being a wedding photographer, for me,
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SPEAKER_00: I had a career where I like won the awards in New York City and I got to fly here
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SPEAKER_00: and then I got flown all over the world and I did all this stuff for like 10 years
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SPEAKER_00: to become like an industry leader, which was really cool.
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SPEAKER_00: But the moment that I stopped and decided, you know, I'm not going to do this anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to give it my career.
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SPEAKER_00: I also, I lost my identity, but I also lost my friend circle.
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SPEAKER_00: I lost the people that I could just communicate with.
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SPEAKER_00: I lost my fans.
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SPEAKER_00: I lost my, you lose your identity.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, because it's like, well, I, how do I even introduce myself?
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SPEAKER_00: Am I still a photographer?
11:52
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: And so you spend so much time building something that you,
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SPEAKER_00: at one point was a dream and it was seemed impossible.
12:00
SPEAKER_00: And then you let it all go so you can do it again.
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SPEAKER_00: Like that's, not many people want to do that, you know?
12:08
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
12:10
SPEAKER_01: You just let it all go and just do it again.
12:12
SPEAKER_01: But see, you do that so easily, man.
12:15
SPEAKER_01: No, it's not easy.
12:16
SPEAKER_01: Bro, even for you right now, it's not easy.
12:19
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
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SPEAKER_01: Even now, even now, even after all those reinventions.
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SPEAKER_01: Because that's not good, dude.
12:25
SPEAKER_01: I was hoping you would tell me, yeah, man, I'm the zen of reinvention.
12:30
SPEAKER_01: It gets easier, bro.
12:31
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't get easier.
12:32
SPEAKER_01: Come on, it does.
12:33
SPEAKER_01: A little bit because you've been through it.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: Never easier.
12:36
SPEAKER_00: But look, I can tell you something.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: I can tell you something.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: I can tell you something.
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SPEAKER_00: So I just turned 40 years old.
12:43
SPEAKER_00: So I have a little bit of experience.
12:45
SPEAKER_00: You're young, bro.
12:45
SPEAKER_00: Young, bro.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: I've got a little bit of experience.
12:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm young enough.
12:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm old enough.
12:49
SPEAKER_00: I'm young enough.
12:50
SPEAKER_00: I've got a little bit of experience to know.
12:51
SPEAKER_00: There were some things in my 20s that were really hard, which are still hard today.
12:56
SPEAKER_00: But because I did them a few times,
12:58
SPEAKER_00: I kind of recognize the patterns and I have a little bit of a framework.
13:01
SPEAKER_00: So I feel like when you reinvent yourself, you forget.
13:05
SPEAKER_00: It's like getting a tattoo.
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SPEAKER_00: You forget the pain.
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SPEAKER_00: You go back and you go, oh my God, this is so hard.
13:10
SPEAKER_00: I've made a mistake.
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SPEAKER_00: I did the wrong thing.
13:13
SPEAKER_00: I followed the wrong path.
13:14
SPEAKER_00: But then you have to go back and go, wait, wait, wait.
13:16
SPEAKER_00: You've done it before a few times and you thought the same thing a few times
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SPEAKER_00: and it worked out a few times.
13:21
SPEAKER_00: Why would this be any different?
13:23
SPEAKER_00: So it's like you stop processing the patterns that you recognize from the past and
13:29
SPEAKER_00: then you have a little bit of hope That is going to continue in the same direction
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SPEAKER_00: in the future.
13:33
SPEAKER_01: You need to make videos like this, bro.
13:39
SPEAKER_01: Bro, let's talk about your social media.
13:43
SPEAKER_01: Don't talk about my social media.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: Bro, this guy.
13:47
SPEAKER_01: The world needs this guy right here.
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SPEAKER_01: Right here.
13:51
SPEAKER_01: The guy who's telling me about... Dude, I'm so...
13:58
SPEAKER_01: Relieving, bro.
13:59
SPEAKER_01: It's so relieving.
14:01
SPEAKER_00: I need some social media help from you because like, you know what?
14:03
SPEAKER_00: When I coach, people go like, you should do social media because I can like speak all day long.
14:09
SPEAKER_01: But when I do social media, I'm like, oh, so,
14:12
SPEAKER_00: and then.
14:13
SPEAKER_00: That's exactly
14:14
SPEAKER_01: right, bro.
14:14
SPEAKER_00: You've been doing it for the start of the year.
14:16
SPEAKER_00: I've been doing it for like 10 years, dude.
14:18
SPEAKER_00: And I'm still so bad at it.
14:19
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, it's like, I still just can't do it.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: I know.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: I know.
14:28
SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
14:30
SPEAKER_01: Dude, this is awesome, bro.
14:32
SPEAKER_01: But you're such a contradiction, bro.
14:34
SPEAKER_01: But like, you know what I'm saying?
14:35
SPEAKER_01: But somehow you manage other things where you're like successful at stuff, dude.
14:41
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
14:42
SPEAKER_01: Tell me more about that.
14:43
SPEAKER_01: like, bro,
14:44
SPEAKER_01: actually,
14:44
SPEAKER_01: can we step back to like,
14:46
SPEAKER_01: I want you to speak on this because I really kind of want to stick to my plan
14:49
SPEAKER_01: because a lot of times it goes crazy, you know, like it goes off.
14:53
SPEAKER_01: But I really want to know like that whole question
14:55
SPEAKER_01: about was it more your temperament or was it you being forged
15:00
SPEAKER_01: to have your superpower, right?
15:02
SPEAKER_01: Like of reinvention, right?
15:04
SPEAKER_01: Because you also talk about in your Instagram about how your dad passed away and
15:08
SPEAKER_01: then you also face bankruptcy, you know?
15:10
SPEAKER_01: So I feel like What I know of your story,
15:13
SPEAKER_01: and you'll tell everybody your story,
15:15
SPEAKER_01: but what I know of your story is that I feel like you were always a person
15:19
SPEAKER_01: that was trying things and reinventing yourself all the time.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: So that's your temperament.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: But then, boom,
15:26
SPEAKER_01: you lose two identities very quickly as a business owner and then as a son
15:30
SPEAKER_01: to your father, right?
15:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:33
SPEAKER_01: Two huge things, your identity are gone.
15:35
SPEAKER_01: So you have to use it as a survival mechanism to say, yeah, you have to be optimistic.
15:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm reinventing myself.
15:43
SPEAKER_01: What am I going to do?
15:44
SPEAKER_01: And you came out of that.
15:46
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
15:47
SPEAKER_01: So I feel like it's such a powerful combination.
15:52
SPEAKER_00: It's really interesting.
15:53
SPEAKER_00: I hate sharing.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: I don't hate, but we all have different stories.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: We come from different places.
15:59
SPEAKER_00: And I never want to share something thinking like,
16:01
SPEAKER_00: I had a worse upbringing than anybody else on the planet.
16:03
SPEAKER_00: But throughout my years, when I was growing up, we experienced a lot of homelessness.
16:08
SPEAKER_00: We were in a waiting list for a government house for seven years.
16:11
SPEAKER_00: So we were on the streets for seven years.
16:13
SPEAKER_00: I've got five brothers and sisters.
16:15
SPEAKER_00: And then there was a lot of domestic violence in my family.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: And that's why my name actually got changed because of witness programs and stuff.
16:23
SPEAKER_00: So my name's been changed.
16:25
SPEAKER_00: I got put into women's refuges and stuff like that with my mom.
16:29
SPEAKER_00: And because of all these things,
16:30
SPEAKER_00: and then we finally got a house,
16:32
SPEAKER_00: and then I finally got to go to school and do all these things.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: But I always had nothing to lose and everything to gain.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: And because of that reason,
16:41
SPEAKER_00: it gave me a freedom of,
16:43
SPEAKER_00: well, I'm not trying to protect anything because I don't have anything.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: I don't have a worth.
16:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't have value.
16:49
SPEAKER_00: I'm at the bottom of the rung.
16:51
SPEAKER_00: So the only thing I have is upwards, and that's infinite.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: And so it's really easy and second nature for me of going like, let's try this.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: And then it doesn't work.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, let's try this.
17:00
SPEAKER_00: Well, it doesn't work.
17:02
SPEAKER_00: Why doesn't it work?
17:02
SPEAKER_00: And then I just sort of keep going towards the thing.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to change my life.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: And in my book,
17:09
SPEAKER_00: actually,
17:09
SPEAKER_00: I call it, it's like, I see a little crack in the wall and it's all it needs to be.
17:13
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it's like a 2% chance I'll succeed.
17:16
SPEAKER_00: And for me,
17:16
SPEAKER_00: I'll take that chance because I'm like,
17:18
SPEAKER_00: Well, 2% chance of succeeding is better than 100% chance of doing nothing.
17:22
SPEAKER_00: Bro, can you read that part of your book?
17:25
SPEAKER_00: Jeez, it's going to be hard to find.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: Come on, bro.
17:29
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you're memorizing every word, bro.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Bro, is this your first book?
17:34
SPEAKER_01: Tell us the name of your book.
17:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
17:36
SPEAKER_00: it is.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: It's called Make Your Break.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: So it's like, it's literally making your break.
17:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's like a little crack in the wall.
17:43
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes all it is, it's like, it's like a little bit of light.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: It's like,
17:47
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you did social media and maybe you posted something that didn't really work
17:51
SPEAKER_00: and then you posted something else and then you felt confident about it,
17:54
SPEAKER_00: but then you got a couple of good comments.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, oh man, like, I feel like there's something here, you know?
18:00
SPEAKER_00: It's all it needs to be.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, well, if I didn't post anything, nothing's going to happen.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: This is probably not going to work.
18:07
SPEAKER_00: But I just have this little feeling that something was really,
18:10
SPEAKER_00: you know, like you start following that little thing.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: And so throughout life, all I'm looking for is like, Is this going to work?
18:17
SPEAKER_00: Probably not.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: But where's the little crack in the wall that's giving me some light in this room right now?
18:22
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's all it needs to be.
18:23
SPEAKER_00: I just need to see a little bit of hope.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: And when I see that, I'm like, sweet, we're on.
18:29
SPEAKER_01: Damn, I love makeup.
18:31
SPEAKER_01: Bro, is this what you talk about this in your book?
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I do.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Dude, you got to be like making clips like this.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: I know.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: Sauce like this.
18:40
SPEAKER_01: And then people are going to fucking buy your book, bro.
18:42
SPEAKER_01: Seriously.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: Damn it.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: Damn, bro.
18:44
SPEAKER_01: But what's holding you back?
18:46
SPEAKER_00: There's a reason why you're talking to me right now.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, same here, dude.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: But really, like, bro, you see the interesting thing about you.
18:53
SPEAKER_01: You're so full of contradictions, brother.
18:56
SPEAKER_01: But bro, you're all over social media, right?
19:00
SPEAKER_01: Like you're actually putting your face out.
19:02
SPEAKER_01: So then why not just be like this guy that I'm seeing?
19:07
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't understand why.
19:08
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that guy's cool, too, by the way.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: You don't like that
19:12
SPEAKER_00: guy?
19:13
SPEAKER_00: No, I like that guy and I like this guy more.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: Right.
19:16
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
19:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: For me, though,
19:18
SPEAKER_01: like when I make videos,
19:20
SPEAKER_01: like people say that too, like, hey,
19:21
SPEAKER_01: man, you're very different than when you are on Vibe Sesh, but please don't change.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: They're like,
19:27
SPEAKER_01: please don't change because I like the nugget of information you give me in 90
19:32
SPEAKER_01: or 60 seconds.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: And so just do your thing, be scripted, do whatever you're doing.
19:37
SPEAKER_01: But you know what I mean?
19:38
SPEAKER_01: But like, so...
19:40
SPEAKER_01: But now I've
19:41
SPEAKER_00: evolved.
19:42
SPEAKER_00: You know,
19:42
SPEAKER_00: you're a coach and I'm not going to take this advice as if it's not for me
19:48
SPEAKER_00: and I didn't just pay you $100,000.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to take this advice and I'm going to credit you for my social media transformation.
19:56
SPEAKER_01: Just like that, bro?
19:57
SPEAKER_01: Bro, let's talk about that.
19:58
SPEAKER_00: I just needed someone like you to tell me.
20:01
SPEAKER_00: Wait, wait, wait.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: Am I the crack in the wall, bro?
20:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: This is the crack in the wall right now, you know.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: And you are my crack in the wall,
20:09
SPEAKER_00: bro.
20:10
SPEAKER_00: We need to make a video about this, dude.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: We should clip this right here.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: Both bromance going on, bro.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: You're like, you're my crack in the wall.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: No, you're my crack in the wall, bro.
20:24
SPEAKER_01: Bro, but seriously, like this crack in the wall, right?
20:27
SPEAKER_01: Like, are you being serious?
20:29
SPEAKER_01: Like, so tomorrow you'll make more of a video like this guy right here?
20:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that guy is cool.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: I promise you and I'll tag you.
20:37
SPEAKER_01: Isn't that crazy?
20:38
SPEAKER_01: The power of connection and vibe, right?
20:44
SPEAKER_01: You said it took you this long
20:49
SPEAKER_01: and tomorrow you're going to start this guy right here.
20:53
SPEAKER_01: This guy that you like more.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: I can't help but feel like you're just laughing at me at this point.
21:00
SPEAKER_01: That's not true, bro.
21:01
SPEAKER_00: Which is exactly what I mean.
21:03
SPEAKER_00: Which is exactly what
21:04
SPEAKER_01: I mean.
21:04
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
21:06
SPEAKER_00: You know those memes?
21:07
SPEAKER_00: I am exactly where I want to be.
21:08
SPEAKER_00: So roast me as much as you want.
21:11
SPEAKER_00: What's that mean, bro?
21:12
SPEAKER_01: What's that mean, I'm exactly where I want
21:13
SPEAKER_00: to be?
21:14
SPEAKER_00: So there's like a meme.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: And the ones that I've seen, it's usually like a guy.
21:18
SPEAKER_00: And then he's like getting hit by his girlfriend or something.
21:21
SPEAKER_00: And she's like being aggressive.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: And it says, don't worry.
21:23
SPEAKER_00: He's exactly where he wants to be.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, so it's like...
21:28
SPEAKER_01: What does that mean, though?
21:29
SPEAKER_01: I don't get it.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: Well, I think it just means, like, well, maybe, like,
21:33
SPEAKER_00: it looks like from the outside he's getting some pain,
21:36
SPEAKER_00: but actually, you know, he actually wants to be treated that way, you know?
21:39
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's, I don't know.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: That's how I see it.
21:42
SPEAKER_00: That's how I see it.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: Bro, is that not incredible?
21:48
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm assuming you're going to definitely do that tomorrow, right?
21:50
SPEAKER_01: But then like you were at some kind of block and you need a break.
21:54
SPEAKER_01: You need a little crack in the wall.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: I've got a messy block and I need a crack in the wall right now.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:59
SPEAKER_00: And this was it.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: And this was it, bro.
22:02
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
22:03
SPEAKER_01: The power of that.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: Damn, bro.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: This is it.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: You know, so I don't know, like just to share some of my story here, man.
22:10
SPEAKER_00: Like this is actually crazy for me because I am reinventing myself,
22:13
SPEAKER_00: which is, Which is crazy because I let go of all my paid coaching stuff.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: I had a seven-figure business doing coaching for the last few years.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: I got rid of everything.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: Stopped all my offers so I could release a book.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: And I just want to help people like myself a long time ago.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: But I flew myself to New York City.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: I have no connections here.
22:31
SPEAKER_00: I've been walking around door knocking on bookstores trying to get my book
22:35
SPEAKER_00: into places and no one's been stalking it.
22:38
SPEAKER_01: That's why you're in New York.
22:40
SPEAKER_01: That's why I'm in New York.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm literally and then I'm just like contacting people.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: You want to get on a podcast?
22:44
SPEAKER_00: You want to do this?
22:44
SPEAKER_00: You want to do that?
22:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm walking around just knocking and trying to find the door to open.
22:49
SPEAKER_00: That's all I'm doing right now.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: I'm just trying to find the door.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: So I'm walking the walk.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: It's like, what would I do if I was reinventing myself and I've got nothing?
22:55
SPEAKER_00: And that's what I'm doing right now.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm going to get myself into a location where future me would be.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to try and talk to people that are like living the life that I want
23:04
SPEAKER_00: to live or that, you know, steps ahead of me in whatever aspect that is.
23:10
SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, man,
23:12
SPEAKER_00: I like right now,
23:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm actually going through a divorce,
23:14
SPEAKER_00: which is like,
23:15
SPEAKER_00: I always thought I was going to have like the strongest relationship and
23:18
SPEAKER_00: the strongest everything.
23:19
SPEAKER_00: But I also wanted to have kids.
23:21
SPEAKER_00: So because that reason, the relationship ended.
23:26
SPEAKER_00: And you know,
23:27
SPEAKER_00: I want to have kids and I want to do that,
23:29
SPEAKER_00: which means I'm losing my house,
23:30
SPEAKER_00: I'm losing my life, my identity, my friends, everything.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: And that's all happening literally like this week as well, like book launch week.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: It's all happening at the same time.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: Behind closed doors,
23:41
SPEAKER_00: I want to show up on social media and I want to do all these things,
23:43
SPEAKER_00: but it's just fucking hard to do everything all the time and be optimistic.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: It's like you want to walk the walk and inspire other people,
23:53
SPEAKER_00: but when you're actually in it and you're actually reinventing yourself,
23:57
SPEAKER_00: you forget how much pain,
24:00
SPEAKER_00: how much sacrifice it actually takes to be in that position.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: And don't get me wrong.
24:07
SPEAKER_00: Don't get me wrong.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: I'm so privileged to be in a position where I can actually do that.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: But it doesn't make it any easier.
24:14
SPEAKER_00: Like it's fucking hard for anyone, you know?
24:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:20
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, you know what's so crazy though?
24:22
SPEAKER_01: And you even said it.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I feel bad that my life wasn't as traumatic as other people.
24:30
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
24:32
SPEAKER_00: People say that to me all the time, yeah.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: And like you qualified yourself and I'm like, oh damn, he went through a lot of shit.
24:38
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
24:38
SPEAKER_01: I grew up privileged, right?
24:40
SPEAKER_01: But you had to qualify yourself.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: So how does that make me feel?
24:44
SPEAKER_01: Like, and then I should qualify myself big time for being privileged.
24:49
SPEAKER_01: Right?
24:50
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
24:52
SPEAKER_00: That's cool, man.
24:52
SPEAKER_00: Like, I think, um, we all have, we all have privilege.
24:56
SPEAKER_00: Everyone has a privilege.
24:56
SPEAKER_00: Just, it's just like different types of privilege.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, and we all use it in different ways.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: Right.
25:02
SPEAKER_00: One thing that I've learned throughout my life,
25:05
SPEAKER_00: my short life of 40 years is I don't believe,
25:09
SPEAKER_00: correct me if I'm wrong,
25:10
SPEAKER_00: correct me if I'm wrong,
25:11
SPEAKER_00: but I don't believe that someone's pain over here,
25:15
SPEAKER_00: whatever they went through,
25:16
SPEAKER_00: maybe they experienced homelessness or something,
25:20
SPEAKER_00: trump someone's pain over here that lived in a white picket fence
25:23
SPEAKER_00: and their dad put pressure on them to be a doctor and they couldn't be
25:28
SPEAKER_00: who they wanted to be and they had to, you know, it's like a different life.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: When I look at those two things, I'm not like, oh, my story is way worse.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I don't know your story.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: And in my head, I have experienced a lot of grief, you know, people passing away and stuff.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm like,
25:44
SPEAKER_00: I feel like pain is sort of like you hit a bottom,
25:46
SPEAKER_00: but everyone hits that bottom in different ways.
25:49
SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's not in the big dramatic way of like,
25:52
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:52
SPEAKER_00: your parents died in a plane crash or something,
25:54
SPEAKER_00: but still we all feel this same Grief,
25:58
SPEAKER_00: we feel pain, we feel heartbreak, whatever it is.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: And so that's the human thing.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: But that's the thing.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: I came to this conclusion too, Jay.
26:09
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
26:10
SPEAKER_01: I literally was thinking about this.
26:11
SPEAKER_01: I was like, but the person in the white picket fence, they're not living a perfect life.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: And so whatever is happening there,
26:20
SPEAKER_01: the pain they feel,
26:22
SPEAKER_01: It is equivalent to the pain that some more traumatic, you know what I'm saying?
26:26
SPEAKER_01: But even saying that feels bad.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: What is that?
26:29
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
26:30
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm saying like,
26:31
SPEAKER_01: because look,
26:31
SPEAKER_01: like if some people were abused as kids,
26:34
SPEAKER_01: that's like super other level, you know what I'm saying?
26:38
SPEAKER_01: To say that kind of pain is equivalent to someone in a white picket fence.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
26:44
SPEAKER_01: Like there's some kind of imbalance.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what that is.
26:47
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
26:49
SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's up to us to try and get the balance right or to understand anybody else.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: The only thing that we can do is have the empathy to understand
26:59
SPEAKER_00: that everyone's going through something.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: So we don't hold me high.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: Everyone goes through something.
27:06
SPEAKER_00: But I believe In any community,
27:09
SPEAKER_00: we all have different players and members of a community for different reasons.
27:14
SPEAKER_00: So I believe in my community,
27:17
SPEAKER_00: it's not up to me to go over to this person here and hold their hand and say,
27:22
SPEAKER_00: oh, you should be doing more or something.
27:24
SPEAKER_00: My role is to live my dream and inspire those that also want to live their dream,
27:30
SPEAKER_00: but they feel like it's too hard.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: And like, that's simply it.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: If I stop that mission and I go over here and help this one person instead
27:38
SPEAKER_00: of helping 10,000 people over here, it's not really helping anybody.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: It's not helping me.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: It's not helping anybody, you know?
27:45
SPEAKER_00: So I think we need to find our spot in a community.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: It's like, what's the superpower that we bring?
27:52
SPEAKER_00: And then from there,
27:53
SPEAKER_00: we stay in our lane of like, okay,
27:55
SPEAKER_00: so there's a lot of problems and a lot of things that are happening in the world.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: But all I can do is I know where I am here and I'm going to shine a light
28:02
SPEAKER_00: for these people over here and then that's it.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: That's a beautiful mission, Jai.
28:08
SPEAKER_01: That's a beautiful mission.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: Holy shit.
28:12
SPEAKER_01: Oh, man.
28:12
SPEAKER_01: When did you come up with this, though?
28:14
SPEAKER_01: Like, when did you figure this?
28:15
SPEAKER_00: Like, five seconds ago.
28:16
SPEAKER_01: Five seconds ago.
28:19
SPEAKER_01: There's so many epiphanies happening in this call, bro.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: Damn.
28:24
SPEAKER_01: Damn, bro.
28:25
SPEAKER_01: Living the dream and inspiring others.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: There's actually
28:30
SPEAKER_00: a question.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: Can I answer it?
28:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
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SPEAKER_00: Please.
28:34
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, guys.
28:35
SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
28:35
SPEAKER_00: It says,
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SPEAKER_00: you learn to move when you have nothing,
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SPEAKER_00: but how do you keep moving after you've had everything?
28:41
SPEAKER_00: It's a really interesting question because the only things
28:44
SPEAKER_00: that you actually have is your family.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: It's people, really.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: The only things that you have is people.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: So I know for me,
28:54
SPEAKER_00: I had a friend once not too long ago say to me,
28:56
SPEAKER_00: it's a newer friend, and they said, Things are easy for you, Jai.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: You have a million dollars in your bank account.
29:02
SPEAKER_00: If you didn't have the money, you'd be very different right now.
29:04
SPEAKER_00: You wouldn't take a risk.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, hold up for a second.
29:08
SPEAKER_01: He said that?
29:09
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't know you that well.
29:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll be like, hold up for a second.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: I'll hold up for a second.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: Me taking the risk before I had the million dollars and I was like,
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SPEAKER_00: this is what got me the million dollars.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: And if that million dollars disappears tomorrow, I don't change.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm still just the same guy that's going to do the same thing.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: So that's number one.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: So the only thing though, We don't have stuff or money.
29:28
SPEAKER_00: The only thing that I have is I get to use it for the short amount of time that I do have it.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: I get the privilege that if I've got a million dollars,
29:34
SPEAKER_00: if I've got a nice car, I get to use that or look after it.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: I've got this ring.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: I get to look after it for the small time that I have it.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: But it's not mine.
29:41
SPEAKER_01: And it
29:42
SPEAKER_00: never was.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: It never will be mine.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: And so I'm not attached to it.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: You know, I will all day long give up my nice car to go and chase my dream.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like there's no brainer.
29:53
SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh, do you want a car?
29:55
SPEAKER_00: I don't care about the car.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: It's not getting me closer to my fucking dream, is it?
29:58
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know what I mean?
29:59
SPEAKER_00: So it's like,
30:01
SPEAKER_00: as long as you don't lose, I mean,
30:03
SPEAKER_00: it's different when you lose family and you
30:04
SPEAKER_01: lose a wife and you lose,
30:07
SPEAKER_01: you know, people that you love.
30:08
SPEAKER_00: But everything else, it's not ours anyway.
30:13
SPEAKER_01: Bro, so tell me more about like kind of,
30:16
SPEAKER_01: how did you get to this point where you're jai long, dude?
30:22
SPEAKER_01: You went from free the bird to jai long, bro.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: But look, dude, like everything you're saying is just fire, bro.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: Again, you need to make videos like this, bro.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: All right, I will.
30:31
SPEAKER_01: Just like this, bro.
30:33
SPEAKER_01: You're just chatting and just literally rewatch the clip.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: I'll send you the clip.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can just cut clips from it.
30:42
SPEAKER_01: Or you know what I'm saying?
30:43
SPEAKER_01: But like that to just see like what I'm talking about.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: That's great.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: But how did you?
30:49
SPEAKER_01: So tell us more about like your upbringing and How you developed
30:53
SPEAKER_01: into becoming Jai Long,
30:55
SPEAKER_01: obviously a lot of life experience,
30:56
SPEAKER_01: but did you read like Zen,
30:58
SPEAKER_01: a lot of your stuff is Eastern philosophy stuff, non-attachment, right?
31:02
SPEAKER_01: Like non-grasping, I feel like, I don't know.
31:04
SPEAKER_01: So what's your background in terms of your, you know, frame, yeah, worldview?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:10
SPEAKER_00: Well, I grew up when I was really young as a Hare Krishna.
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SPEAKER_00: So I was like in the Hindu philosophy.
31:15
SPEAKER_00: And so that was, I was a Hare Krishna until I was about 15 years old.
31:20
SPEAKER_00: And so I was deep, I was deep, I was deep in that too.
31:23
SPEAKER_00: I was the youngest Australian to be initiated by a guru.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like
31:27
SPEAKER_01: deep, deep in the
31:28
SPEAKER_00: thing.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: So like I learned a lot of things, like a lot of scriptures and stuff when I was younger.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: I went to India, like I did the whole thing.
31:34
SPEAKER_01: Bro, this is not a, dude, we need to make a movie.
31:40
SPEAKER_00: It's actually crazy when I tell anyone just like little snippets of my life.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: Guys, his sister was born in a teepee.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: That's true.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's true.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: And so, and that's when we were homeless, so that's funny.
31:54
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm sorry.
31:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh, the teepee thing was a joke?
32:00
SPEAKER_00: No, that's real.
32:01
SPEAKER_00: My dad made this teepee that we lived in.
32:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's real.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, okay.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: So, I think I lost my train of thought now.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: We were talking about like your spiritual framework,
32:13
SPEAKER_01: your framework, your framework, philosophical, spiritual worldview framework.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: I think I've always had a different type of intelligence to everybody else
32:21
SPEAKER_00: because I didn't do much schooling.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: And so I've just seen the world a little bit different.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: I didn't have to raise my hand ever and I never had to comply by anything.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: And one thing,
32:30
SPEAKER_00: so I was a critical thinker and I was always thinking of myself and with
32:33
SPEAKER_00: that Hare Krishna religion,
32:34
SPEAKER_00: I really didn't like how they treated women, to be honest.
32:37
SPEAKER_00: And because my mom, my mom went there and she had to be at the back of the room.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: And there were certain things I just didn't, it didn't sit right with me.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I don't understand this.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: But then the second thing I didn't like, and I've researched many religions.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: So I was looking into,
32:50
SPEAKER_00: you know,
32:51
SPEAKER_00: Christianity,
32:52
SPEAKER_00: into Muslim, like everything, like so many, so many, not thousands, but so many.
32:58
SPEAKER_00: The thing that I don't like about a lot of religions is there's always going to be
33:02
SPEAKER_00: the next thing.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: And it's usually like it's heaven or it's back to yoga or it's back to Godhead
33:09
SPEAKER_00: or it's,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
33:10
SPEAKER_00: it's like you're going to go get some virgins or you're going to go
33:13
SPEAKER_00: and fight forever if you're a heathen,
33:15
SPEAKER_00: like whatever it is, but you're going somewhere.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: And what I didn't understand at the time is like,
33:21
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if anyone's ever walked outside before, but we kind of live on heaven.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, this is, this is like, In my opinion, I'm like, this is like heaven, dude.
33:29
SPEAKER_00: Have you ever seen,
33:30
SPEAKER_00: you know, the flowers and the plants and like the bees and animals and stuff?
33:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you just got to appreciate some shit here.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay,
33:38
SPEAKER_00: believing that we can just,
33:40
SPEAKER_00: so in the Hare Krishna religion,
33:41
SPEAKER_00: it's like, no, this is all, they call this, it's like, it's the material world.
33:47
SPEAKER_00: Don't worry about this.
33:48
SPEAKER_00: Nothing's yours.
33:48
SPEAKER_00: Material world.
33:49
SPEAKER_00: You're not supposed to try and get anything.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: And then what happens is we don't look after our material world because it's not ours.
33:56
SPEAKER_00: And so we,
33:59
SPEAKER_00: We just use up everything that we have,
34:02
SPEAKER_00: you know,
34:04
SPEAKER_00: in hopes that we're going to go to some heaven sometime and we're going to have
34:07
SPEAKER_00: a better time when we get there.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: And I actually think, like,
34:10
SPEAKER_00: out of all the religions, I'm like, why aren't we just having a better time now?
34:13
SPEAKER_00: In my opinion, I just feel like that's all we have.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: And if everyone thought like that,
34:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, well, we'd really be taking care of our surroundings, wouldn't we?
34:20
SPEAKER_01: Like, with everything.
34:21
SPEAKER_00: We're going to be looking after heaven right now, you know.
34:25
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, just think about that.
34:27
SPEAKER_01: Think about how different the world would be, bro.
34:30
SPEAKER_00: I think about it all the time.
34:31
SPEAKER_01: Bro, think about how crazy the world would be if all of us thought like you,
34:40
SPEAKER_01: where we think where we are now is heaven.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:45
SPEAKER_00: It's amazing.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: Like the mind, amazing mindset shift, really.
34:48
SPEAKER_00: Like, um, So I guess like just as humans, we're trying to strive for the next thing.
34:55
SPEAKER_00: But sometimes you got to stop and look at what's in front of you.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: And if it's not heaven to you,
35:01
SPEAKER_00: there's got to be some change you got to make in
35:04
SPEAKER_01: your own mindset.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:06
SPEAKER_00: That possibility is there.
35:07
SPEAKER_01: You have your choice to make it your heaven.
35:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:12
SPEAKER_01: I think so.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: Another video idea right there, brother.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: Another video idea, bro.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: There we go.
35:17
SPEAKER_01: Write all that down, bro.
35:20
SPEAKER_01: Damn.
35:21
SPEAKER_00: Bro, so you're like an interesting hybrid mix
35:25
SPEAKER_01: then.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: So what else influenced you?
35:27
SPEAKER_01: So clearly, Hare Krishna, Eastern philosophy.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: Did you study,
35:30
SPEAKER_01: did you go through,
35:32
SPEAKER_01: because you didn't go through a regular education thing,
35:36
SPEAKER_01: schooling, Did you read books a lot?
35:39
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're a writer, so you must have read a lot of books, I guess.
35:41
SPEAKER_01: But what influenced you the most, do you think?
35:44
SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about that.
35:45
SPEAKER_01: What spiritual or philosophical traditions?
35:50
SPEAKER_00: It was simply people.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: And I couldn't really read and write until I was 19, 20 years old.
35:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm not trying to hide that from everyone.
35:57
SPEAKER_00: But I really wanted to write.
35:58
SPEAKER_00: And so I set a goal.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: I was like, one day I'm going to write a book.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: And because of that reason, I need to read and write.
36:03
SPEAKER_00: And so that was my driving factor.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: But I grew up with so much unkindness.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: I grew up around people, like I grew up around men that hit their kids, hit their wives.
36:13
SPEAKER_00: I grew up around people that abused their animals, abused their dogs.
36:17
SPEAKER_00: There was so much racism.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: There was so much inequality.
36:20
SPEAKER_00: And there was just so much, you know, like I lived in what they considered back then.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: It was the worst street in all of New South Wales, our state.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: And our state is the biggest state in our country.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: So it could be the worst street in our country.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: So we was patrolled by the police twice a day.
36:33
SPEAKER_00: There was always stuff going on.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: When I finally got out of that situation,
36:39
SPEAKER_00: one thing that everyone always say is like,
36:41
SPEAKER_00: people would say like, we don't like rich people.
36:43
SPEAKER_00: Rich people are the problem of the earth, you know, rich people, rich people.
36:47
SPEAKER_00: And everyone around me would always say this.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: And then when I started working my way out and I became an electrician and I got
36:52
SPEAKER_00: onto these bigger jobs and people actually had money.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: I remember my first boss that was like a millionaire and all these people had
36:58
SPEAKER_00: the same thing in common.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: They were just so kind.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, wait.
37:03
SPEAKER_01: They were kind.
37:04
SPEAKER_00: So kind, you know, like so kind.
37:07
SPEAKER_00: And they just brought so much value to people.
37:09
SPEAKER_00: The opposite to what I thought was a rich person, you know?
37:12
SPEAKER_00: So I always thought like rich people,
37:13
SPEAKER_00: they're trying to keep all the money themselves
37:15
SPEAKER_00: and they're just nasty people ripping someone off.
37:17
SPEAKER_00: But actually it was the opposite.
37:19
SPEAKER_00: It was when I was really poor, everyone was ripping each other off and everyone's nasty.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: But when I got into these groups of people where they had abundance, they also shared abundance.
37:28
SPEAKER_00: And like the more they shared, the more everyone else got, the more everybody else shared.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: And I was like fascinated by like,
37:35
SPEAKER_00: how are they so okay with allowing money to come and go and opportunities come
37:42
SPEAKER_00: and go and like, you know, and just be able to open doors and chase things.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: And the more that they did that,
37:49
SPEAKER_00: the more that they played and had a good time,
37:52
SPEAKER_00: the more they seemed to make,
37:53
SPEAKER_00: you know, the more money that flew in like funneled down towards them and stuff.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: So I really studied people.
37:59
SPEAKER_00: I just, I just got obsessed with people.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: Then I was like, I need to, Find more rich people.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: And then I was like, photography, that will be it.
38:06
SPEAKER_00: I will shoot weddings.
38:07
SPEAKER_00: I've never been to a wedding before.
38:08
SPEAKER_00: So my first wedding I shot, never been to a wedding before.
38:11
SPEAKER_01: No way, your first wedding shot, you didn't?
38:14
SPEAKER_01: But you studied some shit?
38:15
SPEAKER_01: Like you knew what to do?
38:16
SPEAKER_01: No, no, nothing.
38:17
SPEAKER_01: I didn't know how to use the camera.
38:18
SPEAKER_00: And I've never been to a wedding.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: But I was like, I'm going to be a wedding photographer.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to be one of the best in the world.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: I was just this audacious kid.
38:24
SPEAKER_00: And I showed up.
38:27
SPEAKER_01: I would not trust you with my wedding photos.
38:33
SPEAKER_00: They did though.
38:34
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't need that.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: Don't worry.
38:36
SPEAKER_00: And so this couple did trust me and it was actually mind blowing.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: And I left halfway through the day because I didn't know that there was
38:43
SPEAKER_00: a second half of the day.
38:44
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know there was a reception or anything.
38:45
SPEAKER_00: So after they did the kiss, I just said bye and I left.
38:51
SPEAKER_01: Were they mad that there was no like ceremony pictures?
38:55
SPEAKER_00: They didn't say anything.
38:56
SPEAKER_00: I didn't even realize until like a year later I was thinking about it.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: I was like, wait a second.
39:00
SPEAKER_00: Like I didn't even...
39:03
SPEAKER_00: But it's funny because I actually started that whole career because I wanted
39:10
SPEAKER_00: to rub shoulders with people that had the financial abundance that I wanted
39:15
SPEAKER_00: in my life.
39:16
SPEAKER_01: So you got into wedding photography to get closer to rich people?
39:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was like, rich people get married, man.
39:23
SPEAKER_00: I was like, that is a privileged thing to do.
39:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, and not everyone gets married.
39:26
SPEAKER_00: Like, a lot of people think there's big weddings everywhere.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: There's not.
39:29
SPEAKER_00: A lot of, like, registry weddings, allotments and stuff.
39:31
SPEAKER_00: But, like, these big weddings aren't shooting.
39:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're expensive, bro.
39:33
SPEAKER_01: They're fucking expensive.
39:34
SPEAKER_01: Expensive weddings.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: So I wanted to hang out with rich people.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: And I did.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: And I learned how rich people move through the world, you know?
39:42
SPEAKER_00: And so that, for me, it was like, I started reading books on money and on finance and investing.
39:48
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I immersed myself into it.
39:50
SPEAKER_00: I was like, What education have they got that I didn't have?
39:54
SPEAKER_00: Why?
39:55
SPEAKER_00: You know,
39:55
SPEAKER_00: it can't be just like we were born and,
39:58
SPEAKER_00: you know, he was born in privilege and I wasn't.
40:00
SPEAKER_00: I didn't accept that as an answer.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: I was like, no, no, no.
40:03
SPEAKER_01: Some of them like probably went to great schools, right?
40:05
SPEAKER_01: They're good CEOs and blah, blah, blah.
40:08
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
40:10
SPEAKER_00: In my opinion, though, I was like, I have a mind just like they have a mind.
40:14
SPEAKER_01: I was like, damn, you broke it down to first principles, right?
40:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was looking at their face.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: I was like, well, they got a face, I got a face.
40:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, You know, it's like they can't be too much difference between us.
40:26
SPEAKER_00: And if you can do it, I can do it.
40:27
SPEAKER_00: And that's how I think.
40:28
SPEAKER_00: I see someone do something.
40:29
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you can do that.
40:30
SPEAKER_00: I can do that.
40:31
SPEAKER_00: So if I'm willing to sacrifice what they sacrificed,
40:35
SPEAKER_00: you know,
40:35
SPEAKER_00: which a lot of times it's not, you know, I wouldn't swap places for a lot of people.
40:39
SPEAKER_00: But so that was the basic principle.
40:41
SPEAKER_00: And so when I started walking around these people and reading these books,
40:44
SPEAKER_00: So you did
40:45
SPEAKER_01: read books, but you did read books.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: In my 20s, I read books every single week, every single week.
40:51
SPEAKER_01: Every single week.
40:52
SPEAKER_01: What are like,
40:53
SPEAKER_01: just give us a flavor for your top three books that were very,
40:56
SPEAKER_01: that's recognizable, influential to you.
40:59
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't have to be the most influential.
41:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the most influential one when I first started,
41:04
SPEAKER_00: it sounds embarrassing,
41:05
SPEAKER_00: but the first financial self-help book I ever read was like Rich Dad, Poor Dad.
41:10
SPEAKER_01: Why are you embarrassed about that?
41:12
SPEAKER_01: That's a classic.
41:13
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's just such an iconic classic that should be saying more profound,
41:17
SPEAKER_00: but I was like, I read that book and I just remember I was like, holy shit.
41:22
SPEAKER_00: I never heard of anything like that before.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: So this is going back, you know, 2004.
41:29
SPEAKER_00: I probably read that.
41:32
SPEAKER_01: What do you think was the most mind-blowing idea of the book?
41:35
SPEAKER_01: Because it was so influential to a lot of people.
41:37
SPEAKER_01: It was.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: It was the fact that the guy recognized that he had a rich dad and a poor dad.
41:43
SPEAKER_00: That was it.
41:44
SPEAKER_00: And I was,
41:45
SPEAKER_00: at the time,
41:45
SPEAKER_00: I was like, he's intelligent enough to understand the different people in his life.
41:53
SPEAKER_00: Where most people, they don't break it down like that, you know?
41:55
SPEAKER_00: So it's just like, oh,
41:56
SPEAKER_00: that person's got opportunities and that person's struggling,
41:58
SPEAKER_00: but they don't understand.
41:59
SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, rich dad's saying something over here and poor dad says it in a different way.
42:03
SPEAKER_00: And so just, I could understand him connecting the dots there.
42:07
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, That's how I see the world, you know?
42:10
SPEAKER_00: I was like, when that guy, I had a friend that had a rich dad.
42:13
SPEAKER_00: So I kind of seen him as my rich dad and I would listen to him.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: All my other friends would always run around and my friend would be like,
42:18
SPEAKER_00: don't listen to dad, you know?
42:20
SPEAKER_00: But I'd listen to him like I was fucking listening to the guru because I'd be like,
42:24
SPEAKER_00: What's the other secret?
42:25
SPEAKER_00: What's next?
42:26
SPEAKER_00: That is so crazy.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: But just think about
42:28
SPEAKER_01: that.
42:29
SPEAKER_01: First of all,
42:30
SPEAKER_01: it's crazy that you thought you understood that the dad was dropping sauce,
42:35
SPEAKER_01: the rich dad was dropping sauce.
42:37
SPEAKER_01: But isn't it crazy?
42:38
SPEAKER_01: Because I think about it.
42:39
SPEAKER_01: When I talk to younger people, bro, I love talking about my knowledge.
42:43
SPEAKER_01: I love dropping sauce.
42:45
SPEAKER_01: I love spitting the best sauce I can have.
42:48
SPEAKER_01: And you know what I'm saying?
42:49
SPEAKER_01: I'm not holding anything back when I talk to young people.
42:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm speaking from real life experience and I'm not giving them like the 30th best idea.
42:59
SPEAKER_01: You understand?
42:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm giving them my best ideas.
43:01
SPEAKER_00: I want to ask you a question.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: How many successful, really successful people have you met That don't do that.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: I thought everybody did that though, bro.
43:18
SPEAKER_00: Really successful people?
43:19
SPEAKER_00: All of them do.
43:20
SPEAKER_00: All of them do.
43:21
SPEAKER_00: But poor people don't do that?
43:23
SPEAKER_00: No.
43:24
SPEAKER_00: It's not about...
43:25
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to say that.
43:27
SPEAKER_00: It's not about how much wealth you have.
43:29
SPEAKER_00: It's not that high.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: It's the mindset that you have.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: The poor mindset then.
43:34
SPEAKER_01: The poor mindset we can call it.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: So someone...
43:37
SPEAKER_00: That believes that what they have, I've got an idea.
43:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to release this idea because if I do,
43:45
SPEAKER_00: you're going to use it and you're going to take it from me.
43:49
SPEAKER_00: You're going to copy it.
43:50
SPEAKER_00: You'll steal it.
43:51
SPEAKER_00: You'll share it.
43:52
SPEAKER_00: You'll claim it.
43:54
SPEAKER_00: You'll get paid for it.
43:54
SPEAKER_00: I won't get paid.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: Someone could take my book tomorrow and then they could read the stories on there
44:00
SPEAKER_00: and get a million followers from Instagram because they're reading my stories.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: I shouldn't release the book.
44:04
SPEAKER_00: You know?
44:06
SPEAKER_00: And have a look at the opposite.
44:07
SPEAKER_00: The opposite way is like,
44:08
SPEAKER_00: if we're talking and you're like,
44:09
SPEAKER_00: hey, Jai, you should up your game on social media, you can do this.
44:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, man, this dude's just dropping knowledge to me.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: Why is he doing that?
44:15
SPEAKER_00: Because that's just him.
44:18
SPEAKER_00: He just gives, you know, like, so you're giving to me freely without holding back.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: And then I'm like doing the same thing to you.
44:24
SPEAKER_00: And anyone that's even watching this is like, oh my God, these guys are just giving.
44:27
SPEAKER_00: And then maybe they're going to take it and do whatever they want with it.
44:29
SPEAKER_00: But it all comes from us just giving.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: It's like this abundance.
44:33
SPEAKER_00: And then guess what?
44:34
SPEAKER_00: We will receive because it's like, I will say to you, hey, you want a copy of my book?
44:37
SPEAKER_00: And you're like, yeah, absolutely.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: Of course I do.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: And the reason being is because you're able to accept that abundance
44:43
SPEAKER_00: because you also give the abundance.
44:44
SPEAKER_00: You know, you don't feel guilty about that.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: I'll give you some stuff and then you're giving it back to me.
44:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:48
SPEAKER_01: But what's interesting is for you,
44:50
SPEAKER_01: like just taking the rich dad,
44:52
SPEAKER_01: poor dad, like your friend was the rich dad, your friend's dad was the rich dad.
44:56
SPEAKER_01: So for you, though,
44:58
SPEAKER_01: in both cases,
44:59
SPEAKER_01: the rich dad and poor dad both,
45:01
SPEAKER_01: you know,
45:01
SPEAKER_01: if they're Thinking people, they have things to say, wise things to say, right?
45:07
SPEAKER_01: And you need to be able to compare those two things.
45:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh, rich dad said this, poor dad said.
45:12
SPEAKER_01: So what do you think?
45:15
SPEAKER_01: Let me ask you something.
45:16
SPEAKER_01: What was the difference between something you remember that poor dad said?
45:20
SPEAKER_01: Because I'm sure there's a lot of overlap.
45:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, so much.
45:24
SPEAKER_01: So much overlap, exactly.
45:25
SPEAKER_01: But what was the difference that rich dad versus poor dad that poor dad didn't see
45:30
SPEAKER_01: or vice versa even, right?
45:31
SPEAKER_01: Poor dad could teach rich dad some things too.
45:34
SPEAKER_01: But like, so what do you think?
45:37
SPEAKER_00: My dad was the poor dad and he was like super poor.
45:41
SPEAKER_00: He'd give away everything for free.
45:43
SPEAKER_00: So he was good at doing that kind of stuff.
45:44
SPEAKER_00: But The big difference was he was entitled to everything and entitlement kills me now.
45:52
SPEAKER_00: Like it's like something that hurts me to the core,
45:54
SPEAKER_00: but he'd be like, why isn't the government paying me right now?
45:58
SPEAKER_00: Like, where's my dole check?
45:59
SPEAKER_00: You know, where's my welfare check?
46:00
SPEAKER_00: And I should be entitled to this and I'm entitled to that.
46:04
SPEAKER_00: And if you've got a job, maybe he would hurt himself.
46:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm entitled to get paid something where my dad,
46:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, my friend's dad, That had all this money, he grew up with nothing.
46:16
SPEAKER_00: And he wasn't entitled to anything.
46:19
SPEAKER_00: Like nothing owed him anything.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: You know, he was like, oh, if you want something, you create value and put it out to the world.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: And that's just how it is.
46:27
SPEAKER_00: And if you don't have anything,
46:29
SPEAKER_00: maybe you should reassess how much value you put out to the world.
46:31
SPEAKER_00: Because how much you put out is going to be a direct relation to how much you get,
46:35
SPEAKER_01: you know.
46:35
SPEAKER_00: And I remember, this is a crazy story, but I built a house.
46:40
SPEAKER_00: Back in 2020, I had this goal.
46:42
SPEAKER_00: It's like, I want to be a millionaire.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: So I set out for that year to do it and I hit it.
46:46
SPEAKER_00: And then since then, like I made a couple of million each year and I did really well.
46:51
SPEAKER_00: But I hosted this event and I had an event and it was $7 a ticket and we sold 8,000 tickets.
46:59
SPEAKER_00: And then it went on to like do a whole bunch of things and it was a lot of success for me.
47:03
SPEAKER_00: And when I built my house, I was so thankful.
47:06
SPEAKER_00: For everyone that bought a ticket, I was like, this actually changed my life.
47:09
SPEAKER_00: And I've got like this brick wall that goes around the outside.
47:12
SPEAKER_00: And the brick wall is like a retainer wall to sort of hold back the land and everything.
47:17
SPEAKER_00: But it's all these little bricks.
47:18
SPEAKER_00: And when I look at those bricks, those bricks were $7 each brick.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: And I'd always, I walk out there and I remember I used to do live videos and show people.
47:24
SPEAKER_00: I was like, see all these bricks.
47:27
SPEAKER_00: I look at those and I'm like,
47:28
SPEAKER_00: those bricks are exchanged for the value that I put out there when someone bought
47:32
SPEAKER_00: a ticket from me for $7, each one of those.
47:36
SPEAKER_00: Is a person for exchange of that money.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: And so I can physically see,
47:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm like,
47:41
SPEAKER_00: if I can't afford the bricks,
47:43
SPEAKER_00: it's because I never put out the value that would bring in the money to be able
47:47
SPEAKER_00: to buy the bricks, you know?
47:49
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's like a really cool way of looking at things
47:51
SPEAKER_00: because I don't walk around thinking like,
47:53
SPEAKER_00: I deserve success and I should have it and people should give it to me.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what have I done to build my empire?
48:00
SPEAKER_00: Like where, you know?
48:02
SPEAKER_01: Damn, that is so beautiful.
48:04
SPEAKER_01: Did you make a video about this, you said?
48:06
SPEAKER_01: Or you did a live?
48:07
SPEAKER_01: No, no.
48:08
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah.
48:08
SPEAKER_00: I did a live video to show people and people were blown away when I did it.
48:12
SPEAKER_00: But who did you show?
48:13
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
48:14
SPEAKER_01: You made a live video for who, though?
48:15
SPEAKER_01: You mean your friends?
48:16
SPEAKER_00: Well, no, just like what we're doing now.
48:19
SPEAKER_00: And there's probably 20 people on it, you know.
48:21
SPEAKER_00: Ah, you did a live yourself, you're saying?
48:23
SPEAKER_00: I did a live, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
48:24
SPEAKER_01: Oh, so, bro, so when you do lives, these kinds of fucking stories come out.
48:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, they do, yeah.
48:32
SPEAKER_01: Bro, it's so beautiful, bro.
48:34
SPEAKER_01: Is this in your book?
48:35
SPEAKER_00: Is this in your book?
48:36
SPEAKER_00: No, it's not in my book, no.
48:37
SPEAKER_00: Oh, my God.
48:38
SPEAKER_01: Why is it not in your book, bro?
48:39
SPEAKER_00: I've got so many stories.
48:41
SPEAKER_00: Like, I had to sort of stop myself.
48:42
SPEAKER_00: Look how thick this book is, man.
48:43
SPEAKER_00: Like, I had to stop myself because I was like, I've got too many stories.
48:47
SPEAKER_00: Like, too many stories.
48:48
SPEAKER_01: Okay, hold on one second.
48:49
SPEAKER_01: So, let me ask you this, Jai Long.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: What is your favorite story of that book?
48:54
SPEAKER_00: The story where I rolled myself to school.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: Okay, go.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: Tell us the story.
48:59
SPEAKER_01: Tell us the story.
48:59
SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
49:00
SPEAKER_01: Hey guys, buy this book.
49:02
SPEAKER_01: What's the name of the book again?
49:03
SPEAKER_01: Break the what?
49:05
SPEAKER_01: Make Your Break.
49:06
SPEAKER_01: Make Your Break guys.
49:07
SPEAKER_01: This is his top story from Make Your Break.
49:11
SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
49:12
SPEAKER_00: So it's just a story about me really.
49:15
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, it's about audacity.
49:17
SPEAKER_00: So point of the story, but I,
49:20
SPEAKER_00: so there was a time I was around about 15 years old and my mom took me out of school
49:24
SPEAKER_00: to help look after my brothers and sisters and around the house and everything.
49:29
SPEAKER_00: And I really wanted to go back to school because I just felt like,
49:31
SPEAKER_00: you know, I wasn't going to go anywhere.
49:34
SPEAKER_00: I was a street kid.
49:36
SPEAKER_00: I was out with everybody else playing all the time.
49:38
SPEAKER_00: And I went in and asked my mum,
49:39
SPEAKER_00: you know, mum,
49:40
SPEAKER_00: can you take me down to the school so I can get myself enrolled into the school?
49:44
SPEAKER_00: And she said, no, you know, like I'd rather have you around at home.
49:47
SPEAKER_00: And the school that I was zoned for, we have the zones.
49:51
SPEAKER_00: So it's like zoning this side of town and that side of town.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: So the one I was zoned for, I actually already got expelled from it.
49:56
SPEAKER_00: So I went to it for a little bit.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: I got expelled.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: So I was out of school.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: So then I really wanted to get into this other school.
50:03
SPEAKER_00: So I got on my BMX and I went down to the pay phone back in those days.
50:08
SPEAKER_00: And I rang up the school and I booked myself in for an appointment with
50:12
SPEAKER_00: the principal to come and talk to them about the opportunity of enrolling into
50:16
SPEAKER_00: the school, which they can give you an appointment.
50:18
SPEAKER_00: And so they did.
50:19
SPEAKER_00: So I rode down to the schools about the 30 minute ride on my BMX bike, 15 years old.
50:24
SPEAKER_00: And I went into the office and then I'm like sitting in the waiting room and they called me in.
50:28
SPEAKER_00: And then I finally get in there and I'm talking to the principal and
50:31
SPEAKER_00: the principal was like, you know, where's your parents?
50:33
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, they can't make it today.
50:34
SPEAKER_00: You know, they're supposed to be here, but they can't make it.
50:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm here to enroll myself in the school.
50:39
SPEAKER_00: And she's like,
50:40
SPEAKER_00: well, if you're going to get into year 10 at school, you had to have done year nine.
50:44
SPEAKER_00: Where did you go to school?
50:45
SPEAKER_00: And I said, oh, I've been living away.
50:47
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I just don't have, you know, I made up some sort of story.
50:54
SPEAKER_00: But she's looking in the system.
50:55
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, we don't have you in the system anywhere.
50:57
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
50:58
SPEAKER_00: Like the other school said they're going to send me the papers and stuff.
51:01
SPEAKER_00: It's all good.
51:02
SPEAKER_00: So then she starts saying like,
51:03
SPEAKER_00: well, look, unfortunately you're zoned out of the school because you're addressed.
51:07
SPEAKER_00: So we won't be able to accept you into this school.
51:09
SPEAKER_00: And I said, is there what needs to be true for me to be accepted into this school?
51:15
SPEAKER_00: And she said, well,
51:17
SPEAKER_00: because it's a public school,
51:19
SPEAKER_00: if we offer an elective that the other school doesn't offer,
51:22
SPEAKER_00: then we have to let you in.
51:24
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, holy shit.
51:25
SPEAKER_00: I knew what the other school offered because I went to that school.
51:28
SPEAKER_00: So I quickly went through the pamphlet and looked down and there was
51:31
SPEAKER_00: a class called Human Movement.
51:34
SPEAKER_00: And all it was was PE, Physical Education, but they changed the name of it to Human Movement.
51:40
SPEAKER_00: And so I looked at that and I put it down and I was like, miss,
51:42
SPEAKER_00: I'm here today because the other school doesn't offer Human Movement, but you do.
51:46
SPEAKER_00: And that's what I want to do.
51:47
SPEAKER_00: I want to be a pro athlete.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: And she looked at me like, Okay.
51:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, I was a tiny little kid.
51:52
SPEAKER_00: So she went over and had a look at the other schools and they didn't offer human movement.
51:55
SPEAKER_00: So all of a sudden she had to let me into the school.
51:58
SPEAKER_00: So I took it, I signed the papers and I enrolled myself into that school.
52:01
SPEAKER_00: So that's like an opening story in this book.
52:04
SPEAKER_00: And it's one of my favorites because it's the audacity to not take no for an answer,
52:09
SPEAKER_00: but work out what needs to be true for this to work.
52:12
SPEAKER_00: You know, how do you find the crack in the walls?
52:17
SPEAKER_01: Find the crack in the wall, guys.
52:19
SPEAKER_01: This is a recurring theme right here.
52:22
SPEAKER_01: What needs to be true?
52:24
SPEAKER_01: Find the crack in the wall.
52:26
SPEAKER_01: Even then you are finding... How old were you then?
52:29
SPEAKER_00: This story?
52:30
SPEAKER_00: 15 years old, yeah.
52:34
SPEAKER_01: Man, 15 years old.
52:36
SPEAKER_01: Bro, this is what I'm saying.
52:37
SPEAKER_01: It's so young though.
52:39
SPEAKER_01: See, so I don't want to... See, the thing is, man, like...
52:43
SPEAKER_01: It is your superpower.
52:44
SPEAKER_01: And we were talking in the beginning about temperament versus forge.
52:47
SPEAKER_01: I think it's both, but you clearly have this internal thing going on, right?
52:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:55
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I wish it wasn't happening.
52:58
SPEAKER_01: No, but what I'm saying is though, like here's the thing, like even with your dad, right?
53:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm curious about your dad because you were like, he felt like he was entitled to anything.
53:06
SPEAKER_01: Why do you think he felt entitled?
53:08
SPEAKER_01: Didn't he grow up poor?
53:11
SPEAKER_01: Actually funny,
53:12
SPEAKER_00: funny enough,
53:12
SPEAKER_00: he grew up,
53:13
SPEAKER_00: his parents actually had money and he split away from his parents and then he lived
53:17
SPEAKER_00: a fucking poor life.
53:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
53:19
SPEAKER_00: Oh my God.
53:21
SPEAKER_01: So he's like a rich kid.
53:22
SPEAKER_01: He was, he was, could have been a rich kid.
53:24
SPEAKER_01: You're saying.
53:24
SPEAKER_00: Could have been a rich kid.
53:25
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know too much.
53:26
SPEAKER_00: I know his dad died when he was like 11,
53:29
SPEAKER_00: walking across the pedestrian crossing and then,
53:30
SPEAKER_00: and then he started taking drugs since he was 11.
53:33
SPEAKER_00: So his life just went on a path of like that, you know?
53:36
SPEAKER_00: And so he lost contact with his friends and family and everything.
53:39
SPEAKER_00: And, And then we kind of spiraled into,
53:42
SPEAKER_00: unfortunately,
53:43
SPEAKER_00: when you're a kid,
53:44
SPEAKER_00: you have to sort of be in the bus of whatever your parents decide, their decisions.
53:49
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, sometimes they were questionable decisions, I guess.
53:54
SPEAKER_01: Bro, that is crazy, man.
53:59
SPEAKER_01: Hey, but so tell us more.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: So this book, and so what's kind of next for Jai Long?
54:05
SPEAKER_01: Tell me like, what's the...
54:07
SPEAKER_01: So you got this book going.
54:08
SPEAKER_01: And by the way, is this self published?
54:10
SPEAKER_01: You're not getting help from a publisher or what?
54:12
SPEAKER_00: So I started my own publishing house, which is really cool.
54:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
54:16
SPEAKER_00: It's called long press, long, long, long, long house press.
54:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
54:20
SPEAKER_00: I had to register that in the U S and there's a reason like,
54:24
SPEAKER_00: um, basically if you self publish, your books can't really go anywhere.
54:28
SPEAKER_00: And I was trying to crack the code of like,
54:30
SPEAKER_00: okay, well, how do I get published by a real publisher?
54:34
SPEAKER_00: Well, I need an agent.
54:35
SPEAKER_00: But then they need two years before they release it and all this different stuff.
54:38
SPEAKER_00: And it's not really my style.
54:39
SPEAKER_00: I like to own and control everything and create things myself and do the hard way.
54:44
SPEAKER_00: I don't know why.
54:44
SPEAKER_00: I just punish myself.
54:46
SPEAKER_00: So I started my own publishing house.
54:50
SPEAKER_00: So then I can publish my future books too.
54:52
SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to start writing another book straight away.
54:54
SPEAKER_00: But it means that I've got the rights to it and I can sell them if I want to and all
54:58
SPEAKER_00: that kind of stuff.
55:00
SPEAKER_01: So you have to be a publisher to do,
55:02
SPEAKER_01: have that because the industry is structured in such a way that you have to be
55:07
SPEAKER_01: a publisher.
55:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
55:09
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
55:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:11
SPEAKER_00: Um, there's a lot of like coaches and gurus out there that are like self published,
55:14
SPEAKER_00: but it's usually because they're like using it to sell a course or something.
55:18
SPEAKER_00: Mine's not like selling anything.
55:19
SPEAKER_00: It's just, this is a dead end.
55:20
SPEAKER_00: There's no funnel.
55:22
SPEAKER_00: It's like, you buy this, I'm giving you the secrets of everything, you know?
55:24
SPEAKER_00: So, but it means like,
55:27
SPEAKER_00: it means that, um,
55:28
SPEAKER_00: Like to get into bookstores,
55:30
SPEAKER_00: to get onto like bestselling lists,
55:32
SPEAKER_00: to ever win an award,
55:34
SPEAKER_00: to ever have anything, you need to go through a real publisher.
55:38
SPEAKER_00: And so the book industry is just so tight knit that the easiest way for me to hack
55:45
SPEAKER_00: the system was to become my own publisher and then sign myself a contract as
55:50
SPEAKER_00: an author.
55:52
SPEAKER_01: That's another example.
55:54
SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you a funny story.
55:56
SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you a funny story.
55:58
SPEAKER_01: Keep going, bro.
55:59
SPEAKER_01: They're all making me laugh, bro.
56:00
SPEAKER_01: This is so stupid.
56:01
SPEAKER_01: So I was in Vietnam.
56:02
SPEAKER_01: I was in Vietnam and I was writing this book and I was there for three months.
56:06
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
56:06
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
56:22
SPEAKER_00: Writing the book, I was trying to like get a publishing deal.
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SPEAKER_00: So I was like talking to agents,
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SPEAKER_00: I was talking to publishers and I was getting annoyed at like the different deals
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SPEAKER_00: and how hard things are.
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SPEAKER_00: Like it's just really hard world.
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SPEAKER_00: And in the book one day,
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SPEAKER_00: in the first chapter, I literally write the biggest, the biggest authors.
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SPEAKER_00: They're not published.
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SPEAKER_00: They start their own publishing house.
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SPEAKER_00: The biggest stars on the planet.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't have blockbuster Hollywood movie deals.
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SPEAKER_00: They started on YouTube.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm like writing out this list.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I'm like trying to work out how to like get myself published.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm reading the list back.
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SPEAKER_00: I wrote that and I'm reading it back.
56:58
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, the biggest authors started their own publishing house.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, why the fuck aren't I starting my own publishing house?
57:05
SPEAKER_00: I literally wrote that in my book.
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SPEAKER_00: And so like, it was this moment I cracked it without even... That's your crack on the wall.
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SPEAKER_00: Damn.
57:13
SPEAKER_00: It was pretty funny.
57:16
SPEAKER_01: Bro, so what's the latest crack in the wall for you?
57:20
SPEAKER_01: I'm curious, bro.
57:21
SPEAKER_00: What's the latest?
57:24
SPEAKER_00: To be honest, I'm looking for it right now.
57:27
SPEAKER_00: Like I'm in the zone right now where it's like not much is working.
57:30
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, there's like a small chance that this is going to succeed.
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SPEAKER_00: And so right now I'm in the zone of feeling like nothing is actually working.
57:38
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
57:39
SPEAKER_00: Right now.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
57:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm in the same thing, bro.
57:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm in like kind of a plateau.
57:44
SPEAKER_00: Would you call it like a plateau?
57:45
SPEAKER_00: It's a plateau.
57:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Big time.
57:47
SPEAKER_00: Oh, damn.
57:47
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
57:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
57:49
SPEAKER_00: It's interesting being in this space because it's like,
57:53
SPEAKER_00: it's so easy to start like blaming other things or becoming a victim or like,
57:59
SPEAKER_00: it's so easy to,
58:00
SPEAKER_00: like someone else called it like a sick mindset,
58:02
SPEAKER_00: you know, so easy to fall into a sick mindset.
58:05
SPEAKER_00: Like your mindset gets the flu for a tiny bit.
58:09
SPEAKER_00: And right now, I've got to be honest with you, I'm looking for cracks in the wall.
58:12
SPEAKER_00: And the way that I do that and break out of this is by getting on a call
58:17
SPEAKER_00: with you right now,
58:18
SPEAKER_00: doing this, just saying yes to things, meeting new people, having conversations.
58:21
SPEAKER_00: I did a podcast interview with a guy named Tim that just wrote a book called How
58:28
SPEAKER_00: to Get Addicted to Appreciation.
58:30
SPEAKER_00: And he's a really cool guy.
58:33
SPEAKER_00: But it was interesting because after the podcast finished,
58:35
SPEAKER_00: I just asked him,
58:36
SPEAKER_00: I was like, man, what do you think I can do for some marketing for me, you know?
58:40
SPEAKER_00: And then he just like gave me some advice and stuff.
58:42
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, it's just so nice.
58:45
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know where the answers are going to come from,
58:47
SPEAKER_00: but having those conversations and cross-pollinating,
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SPEAKER_00: it like connects neuro pathways that won't get connected if I just sit
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SPEAKER_00: in my lounge room thinking about things.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
58:58
SPEAKER_00: So that's how I'm getting through it.
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SPEAKER_00: So right now, nothing's working.
59:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm gonna tell you what's gonna work, bro.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you right now.
59:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so this is my crack in the wall right now.
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SPEAKER_00: You are my crack in the wall right now.
59:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'm gonna tell you exactly what you need to.
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SPEAKER_01: You need to start making, no, no step.
59:17
SPEAKER_01: It's very simple, actually.
59:19
SPEAKER_01: You need to start making videos.
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SPEAKER_01: About the stories and ideas in your book, man.
59:25
SPEAKER_01: That is the best way to fucking sell your book, bro.
59:28
SPEAKER_01: And then you say,
59:29
SPEAKER_01: buy my book or have the link to videos that do two,
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SPEAKER_01: three, four hundred thousand views.
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SPEAKER_01: You will.
59:37
SPEAKER_01: Bro, I'm going to tell you something.
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SPEAKER_01: I made a video.
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SPEAKER_01: This is a true story.
59:41
SPEAKER_01: He was one of the special guests on Vibe Sesh.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: I forgot his name,
59:45
SPEAKER_01: unfortunately,
59:46
SPEAKER_01: but he was like a legit author of like, I don't know what this, I guess horror.
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SPEAKER_01: He's like,
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SPEAKER_01: he won some kind of Dracula award,
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SPEAKER_01: which is the highest award you can get for a horror writer.
59:58
SPEAKER_01: Right.
59:59
SPEAKER_01: And so He was an author,
1:00:01
SPEAKER_01: but he had a publishing house where he wanted to preserve books in
1:00:07
SPEAKER_01: the paranormal space.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_01: So remote viewing and things like that.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_01: And so he was doing that just to keep these books alive.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_01: And then he made a video about some remote viewing thing.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you're familiar with this world, but I wasn't.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_01: And I just heard this story and I made a video about it.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_01: From this book, and it was from some paranormal book about remote viewing.
1:00:33
SPEAKER_01: And I made this video and it went viral, right?
1:00:35
SPEAKER_01: And this video, you know, Joe Rogan, right?
1:00:37
SPEAKER_01: Obviously the podcaster.
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SPEAKER_01: He followed me and sent me a message because of this video.
1:00:42
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:00:42
SPEAKER_01: So that's, that's how it resonated.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_01: But this, I mentioned that book, I mentioned that book in that video.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_01: I say, according to this book, this person, this happened, this happened, this happened.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_01: And the publisher contacted me,
1:00:56
SPEAKER_01: the guy who was a special guest,
1:00:58
SPEAKER_01: and he was like, hey man, you want me to send you books?
1:01:00
SPEAKER_01: I can send you all these books.
1:01:02
SPEAKER_01: You're really increasing sales.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_01: And then he was a special guest and he was like, I sold 5,000, 6,000 copies just on that video.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_01: You know, and the person received like five, three grand or something in royalty.
1:01:15
SPEAKER_01: She's like, oh, I received three grand from one video, bro.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_01: And so what I'm saying is like, you got so much sauce in this book verified by the Vibe Samurai.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_01: Bro, you need to just make those videos and some,
1:01:29
SPEAKER_01: you know, not all of them will go viral, but the one that does that will take you.
1:01:32
SPEAKER_01: It's all it needs to be.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_00: It's all it needs to be.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:01:36
SPEAKER_01: Instead of going door to door, which is fine too, right?
1:01:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah,
1:01:39
SPEAKER_00: This is
1:01:39
SPEAKER_01: where the fucking action is.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_01: Why are you avoiding this though?
1:01:43
SPEAKER_01: Seriously.
1:01:43
SPEAKER_01: I'm curious.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm scared.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_01: You're scared.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_01: Of what though?
1:02:01
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's hard for me to know what I'm scared of.
1:02:04
SPEAKER_00: Like, what's the plot, you know?
1:02:05
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's...
1:02:09
SPEAKER_00: I think about this all the time.
1:02:10
SPEAKER_00: Like, what am I scared of?
1:02:11
SPEAKER_00: What's the thing?
1:02:11
SPEAKER_00: Why do I care?
1:02:12
SPEAKER_00: You know?
1:02:13
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's...
1:02:14
SPEAKER_01: The crazy thing is you're already making videos, bro.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_00: I know.
1:02:18
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_00: It makes no sense.
1:02:20
SPEAKER_01: No, but let's try to brainstorm this, bro.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_01: Seriously, because this is a major block.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_01: What could it be?
1:02:28
SPEAKER_01: I'm being serious.
1:02:28
SPEAKER_01: I really want to know.
1:02:29
SPEAKER_01: What could it be?
1:02:31
SPEAKER_01: You put yourself out there.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_01: You've done all these things.
1:02:33
SPEAKER_01: There's something about this.
1:02:36
SPEAKER_01: And you put it out in a fucking book.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_01: The book is a 1000% you, right?
1:02:40
SPEAKER_01: You're proud of it.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_01: So Dan, why can you not just make that small jump from the book to the video?
1:02:51
SPEAKER_01: That's interesting, brother.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, like I'm not making fun of you or anything.
1:02:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm just like fascinated.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_00: This is literally what I'm thinking about every single day.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_00: Like, so this is, you're like on it.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_00: You're on the money, you know, like this is the Vibe Samurai stuff happening here.
1:03:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:03:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm curious though.
1:03:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:03:10
SPEAKER_00: You know, like, um, Yeah.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_00: And the funny thing is I'm so inspired by like,
1:03:14
SPEAKER_00: say your content, for instance, I've been following you for a long time.
1:03:18
SPEAKER_00: And I followed you after, I think I like watched one reel and then I watched the second one.
1:03:23
SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, this dude, legend.
1:03:25
SPEAKER_00: And just like followed you straight away.
1:03:27
SPEAKER_00: And there's no,
1:03:27
SPEAKER_00: there was no filter,
1:03:28
SPEAKER_00: you know, it's like, there's no filter of like, oh, your stuff's not good enough.
1:03:32
SPEAKER_00: Or like, it's, it's not, this is not that.
1:03:34
SPEAKER_00: I was just like, this guy, like, he's just a cool dude.
1:03:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, and I only needed to see two videos.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_00: I didn't need convincing to follow your stuff.
1:03:43
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
1:03:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's a good case study because when I look at that, I'm like, yeah, exactly, dude.
1:03:48
SPEAKER_00: You could be doing the same thing.
1:03:49
SPEAKER_00: Why aren't you doing that?
1:03:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's not like,
1:03:53
SPEAKER_00: you know, it's like, yeah, there's no logical reason.
1:03:58
SPEAKER_00: There's no, not that I can find.
1:03:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:04:02
SPEAKER_01: Bro, this is crazy, though.
1:04:04
SPEAKER_01: Seriously, like, bro, like,
1:04:06
SPEAKER_01: I think we were destined to have this conversation, which is crazy, too, right?
1:04:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, but bro, like, let me see my notes here.
1:04:13
SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you something.
1:04:14
SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you something.
1:04:16
SPEAKER_00: I watched the real, like,
1:04:17
SPEAKER_00: I barely ever get into, like,
1:04:18
SPEAKER_00: the horoscopes and stuff like that,
1:04:19
SPEAKER_00: but I did watch one this month,
1:04:21
SPEAKER_00: and I've seen a couple,
1:04:23
SPEAKER_00: and I was talking about how I'm a Virgo,
1:04:25
SPEAKER_00: and this one said, this month, you're going to have a breakthrough.
1:04:29
SPEAKER_00: You don't know where it's gonna come from,
1:04:30
SPEAKER_00: but it's gonna be from meeting and having conversation with someone.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's interesting.
1:04:36
SPEAKER_00: And it's just been in the back of my head.
1:04:37
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, every day I'm sort of counting down.
1:04:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, have I had the conversation yet?
1:04:41
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think so.
1:04:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, have I met the person?
1:04:43
SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_00: So actually when I got your DM and then we like started chatting,
1:04:47
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I wonder if this is a conversation that's gonna unblock me.
1:04:51
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:04:51
SPEAKER_00: Like, I think this might be it.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_01: I've been looking for it.
1:04:56
SPEAKER_01: Isn't it crazy like how the algorithms do that, bro?
1:04:59
SPEAKER_01: Because clearly the reason why I contacted you,
1:05:03
SPEAKER_01: bro, it's like, I don't know what to say about you.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_01: Tell me what you think of and let's get into that.
1:05:08
SPEAKER_01: Man, there's too many topics to talk about, bro.
1:05:11
SPEAKER_01: I'm writing these things down.
1:05:13
SPEAKER_01: Hold on, Al goes.
1:05:14
SPEAKER_01: But bro, like,
1:05:17
SPEAKER_01: These algos are crazy.
1:05:19
SPEAKER_01: So think about how we are here today and we're like,
1:05:22
SPEAKER_01: we're cracking the wall, you know, like it's the algos, right?
1:05:26
SPEAKER_01: You liked my video and then I never saw you before.
1:05:30
SPEAKER_01: And then all of a sudden I'm seeing your stuff and then I'm like,
1:05:38
SPEAKER_01: It's interesting.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_01: I found you fascinating very quickly.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_01: And then like, I was like, I had this, it's weird now that I'm thinking back.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_01: I had this image of you and I went to your page, but it wasn't really the image I had of you.
1:05:54
SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
1:05:56
SPEAKER_01: You know, because I saw a video and I was like, oh, I like his vibe.
1:05:59
SPEAKER_01: And then I went to your page, but like, It wasn't this guy.
1:06:03
SPEAKER_01: This is the guy I was expecting.
1:06:05
SPEAKER_01: You understand me?
1:06:07
SPEAKER_01: And I felt like, oh, that's interesting.
1:06:10
SPEAKER_01: Not a bad negative thing.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_00: I was just, that's interesting.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_01: And then I was like, I got to meet this guy because I just felt the vibe.
1:06:17
SPEAKER_01: I'm the Vibe Samurai, bro.
1:06:19
SPEAKER_00: And then I DM you.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I'm saying?
1:06:22
SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
1:06:24
SPEAKER_01: But isn't it crazy?
1:06:25
SPEAKER_01: Like, dude, doesn't this give you hope like the algorithms and what's happening here?
1:06:29
SPEAKER_01: And I mean, you said you also organized the whole digital thing.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_01: I saw in your story that you, you, you went from like a physical thing to a digital thing.
1:06:39
SPEAKER_01: So you are a believer in like in the power of digital, right?
1:06:43
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, for sure.
1:06:45
SPEAKER_00: Well, like, um, so I started off with my coaching and stuff in 2015.
1:06:50
SPEAKER_00: And it was all like in-person workshops and conferences.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_00: And I like used to host all those.
1:06:54
SPEAKER_00: And then in 2020, I pivoted and we just went like hard out online, like done the funnest events.
1:07:00
SPEAKER_00: And to be honest,
1:07:01
SPEAKER_00: I used to show up just like this, like just like, I would always do everything live.
1:07:04
SPEAKER_00: It's like, we gotta be live because I hate filters.
1:07:06
SPEAKER_00: It's gotta be live.
1:07:07
SPEAKER_00: So we'll do live broadcasting, live everything.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I loved it, man.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_00: And then like something happened to me.
1:07:14
SPEAKER_00: So my team started growing from 2020.
1:07:17
SPEAKER_00: It got bigger and bigger until I got a team of 10.
1:07:20
SPEAKER_00: And then I had to make about like at one point about $100,000 a month
1:07:24
SPEAKER_00: to keep my business afloat.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_00: And it was just so heavy.
1:07:27
SPEAKER_00: Then it stopped becoming fun.
1:07:29
SPEAKER_00: I was like, we need to make content.
1:07:30
SPEAKER_00: We need to do stuff to keep the money coming in so we can keep paying everybody.
1:07:34
SPEAKER_00: And then slowly I was like, okay, I need to let go of people.
1:07:36
SPEAKER_00: And then it no longer become a fun thing.
1:07:40
SPEAKER_00: And then what I had to do to write this book, I had to get rid of all my business stuff.
1:07:45
SPEAKER_00: And so now I take no money from no one.
1:07:46
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, man, fuck the money.
1:07:48
SPEAKER_00: It just killed me in so many ways, you know, and I'm like, I just want to create.
1:07:53
SPEAKER_00: It's all I want to do is I just want to have fun.
1:07:55
SPEAKER_00: I want to create.
1:07:55
SPEAKER_00: So this is me reinventing myself,
1:07:57
SPEAKER_00: even for social media and listening to you right now,
1:07:59
SPEAKER_00: because I'm like, this is what I want.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_00: I just want to show up and share stories, you know, which makes a big impact.
1:08:05
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's all I want to do.
1:08:07
SPEAKER_01: No funnels.
1:08:10
SPEAKER_01: And I love that, no funnels.
1:08:12
SPEAKER_01: But bro,
1:08:12
SPEAKER_01: like so many,
1:08:14
SPEAKER_01: I've had 32 vibes sessions and then I told you on X I had like 40 or so
1:08:19
SPEAKER_01: and I'm just learning, meeting so many different people, right?
1:08:23
SPEAKER_01: And everybody has their way of getting to where I think both me
1:08:29
SPEAKER_01: and you are right now, at least the realization, right?
1:08:32
SPEAKER_01: Which is the end game, right?
1:08:36
SPEAKER_01: It's not like a destination or anything.
1:08:39
SPEAKER_00: It's a state of playfulness, right?
1:08:44
SPEAKER_01: That's the end game.
1:08:46
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
1:08:47
SPEAKER_01: That is the destination.
1:08:48
SPEAKER_01: You just always want to be in a state of play.
1:08:51
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
1:08:54
SPEAKER_00: That's exactly right.
1:08:55
SPEAKER_01: Or chill maxing.
1:08:56
SPEAKER_01: There's a meta guy.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:08:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's like a Vibe Sush guest as well.
1:09:01
SPEAKER_01: He was going to show up tonight too, but he couldn't make it.
1:09:05
SPEAKER_01: But you got to meet this guy.
1:09:06
SPEAKER_01: He's amazing as well.
1:09:09
SPEAKER_01: And then the previous guest, all the guests, you come to the same conclusion.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_01: I
1:09:15
SPEAKER_01: remember you had some good clips with your podcast about the Papson guy, the Papson guy.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_01: And then you asked him, like, what would you consider an extraordinary successful life?
1:09:30
SPEAKER_01: And I loved his answer as well.
1:09:32
SPEAKER_01: But like,
1:09:33
SPEAKER_01: you know, like,
1:09:33
SPEAKER_01: that's kind of the thing you want to, for me,
1:09:36
SPEAKER_01: my answer is, if you reach that state of playfulness,
1:09:40
SPEAKER_00: That's an extraordinary life.
1:09:42
SPEAKER_00: You could be super poor.
1:09:44
SPEAKER_01: You could have bad things.
1:09:45
SPEAKER_01: But if you die in a playful state and you left your family and your friends
1:09:52
SPEAKER_01: and everybody around you in a playful state, I feel like that's...
1:09:55
SPEAKER_00: What happens?
1:09:56
SPEAKER_00: It keeps you young, vital.
1:09:58
SPEAKER_00: It keeps you positive.
1:10:02
SPEAKER_00: It keeps you curious.
1:10:03
SPEAKER_00: It keeps connections.
1:10:05
SPEAKER_00: It keeps people around.
1:10:06
SPEAKER_00: It opens doors.
1:10:07
SPEAKER_00: If you're going to write a book,
1:10:08
SPEAKER_00: it's like, The title's got to be like, Stay in a State of Play.
1:10:13
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:10:14
SPEAKER_00: It actually is the answer to everything.
1:10:16
SPEAKER_00: And I've actually have told a lot of people this over the years.
1:10:18
SPEAKER_00: It's like,
1:10:19
SPEAKER_00: the people that I see that have the most success,
1:10:22
SPEAKER_00: they just look like they're having the fucking best time on the planet.
1:10:25
SPEAKER_00: Like if I look at Gary Vee, for instance.
1:10:27
SPEAKER_00: That dude is having fun.
1:10:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:10:30
SPEAKER_00: He's not showing up to go on like, oh man, another podcast.
1:10:33
SPEAKER_00: And then we're like...
1:10:35
SPEAKER_00: Oh God, we've got to listen to it again.
1:10:36
SPEAKER_00: He's showing up, he's got toys around him.
1:10:38
SPEAKER_00: He's just yelling at people.
1:10:39
SPEAKER_00: He's just doing whatever he wants.
1:10:41
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, that dude is just vibing, man.
1:10:43
SPEAKER_00: If I'm vibing him, I'm going to follow him.
1:10:45
SPEAKER_00: If I don't, who cares?
1:10:46
SPEAKER_00: I won't follow him.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_00: But he's doing his thing.
1:10:48
SPEAKER_00: You've got to have respect for that.
1:10:50
SPEAKER_00: And that's why he'll just keep growing.
1:10:53
SPEAKER_01: Hey, but don't you think there's a lot of rich,
1:10:56
SPEAKER_01: very successful rich people that are not in the playful state and they're just kind
1:11:00
SPEAKER_01: of chasing the money?
1:11:02
SPEAKER_00: Well, it depends your definition of success,
1:11:04
SPEAKER_00: I guess, but yeah, like there's, um, they're
1:11:07
SPEAKER_01: not happy.
1:11:07
SPEAKER_01: They're not in that playful state is what I'm saying.
1:11:10
SPEAKER_01: Well, what would you say?
1:11:11
SPEAKER_01: Because you've hung out at this point,
1:11:12
SPEAKER_01: you've reached high levels of success and you've studied the rich, right?
1:11:17
SPEAKER_01: Like what is the actual thing?
1:11:19
SPEAKER_01: Because I'm so, I really want to know the answer to this.
1:11:21
SPEAKER_01: Like, so a lot of times people,
1:11:24
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, like,
1:11:25
SPEAKER_01: like to say,
1:11:26
SPEAKER_01: oh, there's a lot of people who have a lot of money, but they're very unhappy.
1:11:30
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:11:30
SPEAKER_01: You know, like they're not happy.
1:11:32
SPEAKER_01: They're always chasing.
1:11:33
SPEAKER_01: They're never satisfied.
1:11:35
SPEAKER_01: I feel like there are people like that that are kind of miserable
1:11:38
SPEAKER_01: and they're not understanding this idea.
1:11:40
SPEAKER_01: But what do you, how would you characterize on average rich people?
1:11:44
SPEAKER_01: Are they, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:11:48
SPEAKER_00: Like I will say something here.
1:11:49
SPEAKER_00: It's, it's interesting that we put the same conversation of like money
1:11:52
SPEAKER_00: and happiness together because like being around So many circles of people
1:11:57
SPEAKER_00: and being around people in low socioeconomic areas to people
1:12:00
SPEAKER_00: that are really well off, I wouldn't say that money changes anything.
1:12:04
SPEAKER_00: So I've seen people,
1:12:06
SPEAKER_00: in fact,
1:12:07
SPEAKER_00: one of my neighbors,
1:12:08
SPEAKER_00: when I was growing up really poor,
1:12:10
SPEAKER_00: they won the lotto and they won millions of dollars.
1:12:13
SPEAKER_00: No way!
1:12:14
SPEAKER_00: You had a neighbor
1:12:15
SPEAKER_00: fail on the lotto stroke!
1:12:17
SPEAKER_00: It's actually a crazy story,
1:12:19
SPEAKER_00: but the craziest part about it was like,
1:12:21
SPEAKER_00: I think it was the night my dad died,
1:12:24
SPEAKER_00: the The guy that won the lotto,
1:12:26
SPEAKER_00: his son, broke into our house and stole my motorbike.
1:12:31
SPEAKER_00: But he had millions of dollars.
1:12:34
SPEAKER_01: Why did he do that?
1:12:34
SPEAKER_01: Why did he do that?
1:12:36
SPEAKER_00: Because people don't change.
1:12:38
SPEAKER_00: So what's really interesting is you got someone that's miserable over here
1:12:42
SPEAKER_00: and they've got no money, is miserable and everything's going on.
1:12:44
SPEAKER_00: If you give them some money,
1:12:45
SPEAKER_00: they're going to be miserable and there's nothing going on over here.
1:12:48
SPEAKER_00: You got someone that's just like playful and they're having fun over here.
1:12:50
SPEAKER_00: You give them some money, they're playful and they're having some fun over here.
1:12:53
SPEAKER_00: But it just like expands what the true personality you already are.
1:12:57
SPEAKER_00: So if you're someone that's out in the street and you're hustling people,
1:12:59
SPEAKER_00: you're ripping them off and you start making some millions of dollars,
1:13:02
SPEAKER_00: you're ripping more people off.
1:13:03
SPEAKER_00: You're underpaying people, you know.
1:13:05
SPEAKER_00: And so I actually think it has nothing to do with the money.
1:13:08
SPEAKER_00: I do think that it amplifies your personality.
1:13:12
SPEAKER_00: The more money
1:13:14
SPEAKER_00: that you have, it amplifies the type of person you are.
1:13:17
SPEAKER_00: So that's why you'll get some people and they'll make millions and billions and
1:13:20
SPEAKER_00: then They're buying wildlife refrages.
1:13:22
SPEAKER_00: They're planting trees.
1:13:22
SPEAKER_00: They're doing things.
1:13:23
SPEAKER_00: Other people, they might be hoarding.
1:13:27
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:13:28
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, but... Hoarding?
1:13:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just them.
1:13:32
SPEAKER_01: Why would you choose hoarding, bro?
1:13:34
SPEAKER_01: Bro, there's two choices.
1:13:35
SPEAKER_01: Back in the cash.
1:13:37
SPEAKER_01: Bro, bro, bro.
1:13:38
SPEAKER_01: Go build, like,
1:13:39
SPEAKER_01: beautiful things and landscapes and parks or...
1:13:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to hoard it all.
1:13:45
SPEAKER_00: Bro, like,
1:13:47
SPEAKER_01: what is going on in that mind?
1:13:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
1:13:54
SPEAKER_01: Bro, that's another big video idea right there.
1:13:56
SPEAKER_01: I think that would be very universal, right?
1:13:59
SPEAKER_01: Like if you say, hey,
1:14:00
SPEAKER_01: you know, dude,
1:14:01
SPEAKER_01: you got a whole thing here where,
1:14:05
SPEAKER_01: dude, you got to like kind of check out like what I'm finding fascinating, right?
1:14:08
SPEAKER_01: Like, it's like,
1:14:10
SPEAKER_01: it's like this whole thing,
1:14:12
SPEAKER_01: how you presented yourself, like you, Bro, it's the fucking best answer, right?
1:14:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh, what were your philosophical influences or whatever?
1:14:21
SPEAKER_01: And you're like, just life, man.
1:14:23
SPEAKER_01: I hung out with all kinds of people and I just observed them, right?
1:14:27
SPEAKER_01: Like, that's such a cool story, bro.
1:14:29
SPEAKER_01: It's such a cool story.
1:14:30
SPEAKER_01: And then like explaining these kinds of things, dude, like the money, money is an amplifier.
1:14:35
SPEAKER_01: I agree with that.
1:14:36
SPEAKER_01: Like I didn't really formulate it like you did,
1:14:39
SPEAKER_01: but like, as you were saying, I was like, oh, and that's what you want, by the way.
1:14:43
SPEAKER_01: You want that kind of recognition.
1:14:45
SPEAKER_01: No, you want that kind of recognition when people are like, Oh, yeah.
1:14:50
SPEAKER_01: You know, they didn't really have words for it.
1:14:52
SPEAKER_01: But you articulated the amplifier money concept, right?
1:14:56
SPEAKER_01: And then, and that, I don't know if it's like a dopamine.
1:14:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it's a dopamine thing.
1:15:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure dopamine as well.
1:15:02
SPEAKER_01: But like, when you have that recognition, it's like, you know, Nate Gassney?
1:15:08
SPEAKER_01: You've heard of that guy?
1:15:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, same him.
1:15:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:15:10
SPEAKER_01: That's what he does.
1:15:11
SPEAKER_01: He was a special guest as well, right?
1:15:13
SPEAKER_01: On here.
1:15:13
SPEAKER_01: But like, but that's what he's doing.
1:15:16
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm not 100%.
1:15:17
SPEAKER_01: Recognizing people.
1:15:19
SPEAKER_01: But he takes it too far.
1:15:22
SPEAKER_01: Some videos are not super accurate.
1:15:24
SPEAKER_01: He's just trying to flatter them.
1:15:26
SPEAKER_01: But that's essentially what he's doing.
1:15:28
SPEAKER_01: But I'm saying for you, for this topic, you're not doing that, right?
1:15:32
SPEAKER_01: You're not ego-fluffing or anything like that.
1:15:34
SPEAKER_01: You're just saying, And by the way, I had a viral video right now about like the worms, right?
1:15:42
SPEAKER_01: Worms, sorry, worms.
1:15:44
SPEAKER_01: And that was because they like recognize and a lot,
1:15:48
SPEAKER_01: the biggest comment was it's, oh, it's late stage wormism.
1:15:52
SPEAKER_01: Capitalism, warmism, right?
1:15:54
SPEAKER_01: And people were like seeing different things and the podcasts are selling out
1:15:58
SPEAKER_01: and there's this recognition.
1:16:00
SPEAKER_00: It was just like such a captivating story as well.
1:16:03
SPEAKER_00: You know,
1:16:03
SPEAKER_00: like it's like,
1:16:04
SPEAKER_00: it's like a, it's a familiar story, but you told it in a way that is not familiar.
1:16:11
SPEAKER_00: That's true too.
1:16:11
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like interrupt, right?
1:16:14
SPEAKER_01: The interrupt from the thing.
1:16:15
SPEAKER_01: But what I'm saying is people get that other stuff, right?
1:16:18
SPEAKER_01: And so what you just told me was that kind of thing is what I'm saying.
1:16:23
SPEAKER_01: Totally, yeah.
1:16:24
SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh shit, it's an amplifier motor.
1:16:28
SPEAKER_01: You see what I'm saying?
1:16:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:16:31
SPEAKER_00: That's so cool.
1:16:33
SPEAKER_01: Bro, and another thing I want to tell you,
1:16:34
SPEAKER_01: like this whole thing that you're going through,
1:16:37
SPEAKER_01: like really, like I think it's crazy because I literally am going through that.
1:16:43
SPEAKER_01: Like right now you're saying, oh man, it's kind of cool.
1:16:46
SPEAKER_01: And this is so amazing too, right?
1:16:48
SPEAKER_01: Like this whole inspiring others kind of thing, right?
1:16:50
SPEAKER_01: Like you're saying, oh,
1:16:51
SPEAKER_01: it's so amazing that you're just able to say whatever you say and this and that
1:16:56
SPEAKER_01: and you're being you.
1:16:57
SPEAKER_01: Dude, I was not like that.
1:16:59
SPEAKER_01: If you look at video number one,
1:17:03
SPEAKER_01: which was on TikTok on January 15th or 16th, I can't even watch that, brother.
1:17:08
SPEAKER_00: How many followers did you have on January 1st, 2026?
1:17:12
SPEAKER_00: Zero, zero, zero.
1:17:14
SPEAKER_00: I feel like everyone needs to hear that.
1:17:17
SPEAKER_01: And
1:17:18
SPEAKER_00: how many have you got now?
1:17:21
SPEAKER_01: Which is interesting.
1:17:21
SPEAKER_01: So I was January 15th on TikTok.
1:17:25
SPEAKER_01: And then I had trouble with Instagram, so I didn't get on Instagram until March 15.
1:17:30
SPEAKER_01: So on Instagram, so March, what are we now in October?
1:17:33
SPEAKER_01: So seven months, I have 770,000 on Instagram.
1:17:37
SPEAKER_01: I have half a million on TikTok.
1:17:40
SPEAKER_01: And then another 30 on YouTube.
1:17:43
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
1:17:44
SPEAKER_00: That's like the fastest growth ever.
1:17:48
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but Nate's growing faster.
1:17:50
SPEAKER_00: There's not many people in the world that's growing that fast, man.
1:17:53
SPEAKER_01: But you're right.
1:17:54
SPEAKER_01: You're right.
1:17:55
SPEAKER_01: Which is crazy.
1:17:56
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
1:17:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah.
1:17:57
SPEAKER_01: It's so weird.
1:17:58
SPEAKER_00: Actually, you know, the fastest thing I've ever seen grow was in 2017, I remember.
1:18:04
SPEAKER_00: It was this girl that I kind of knew.
1:18:07
SPEAKER_00: And she started... Do you remember the...
1:18:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you remember this,
1:18:10
SPEAKER_00: but there was like this thing on Instagram where it was like hipsters in
1:18:14
SPEAKER_00: the far northwest...
1:18:16
SPEAKER_00: Post, Oregon kind of way.
1:18:18
SPEAKER_00: And they'd always wear like a hat and have a backpack on the camera.
1:18:21
SPEAKER_00: And they'd always post on social media.
1:18:23
SPEAKER_00: So this girl created a Barbie doll that had the hat with the backpack and the camera
1:18:30
SPEAKER_00: and just took her to like iconic places around Oregon and
1:18:33
SPEAKER_00: then had like hipster iconic kind of captions.
1:18:37
SPEAKER_00: And I think she did four posts.
1:18:38
SPEAKER_00: That was it.
1:18:39
SPEAKER_00: And I think within a week she had a million followers.
1:18:42
SPEAKER_00: Because,
1:18:43
SPEAKER_00: because people just think it was like,
1:18:44
SPEAKER_00: it was like the irony of it,
1:18:46
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:18:46
SPEAKER_00: like it was just,
1:18:47
SPEAKER_00: it was just like, I don't know why she stopped, but she stopped at four.
1:18:51
SPEAKER_00: That was just it.
1:18:52
SPEAKER_00: She was just like, Oh, well, I didn't expect that.
1:18:53
SPEAKER_00: And she just stopped.
1:18:54
SPEAKER_00: But like, yeah, just crazy how sometimes something is just catch on like that.
1:18:58
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, Whoa.
1:19:00
SPEAKER_01: So I'm like that
1:19:01
SPEAKER_00: Barbie girl.
1:19:03
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no, no, not at all.
1:19:05
SPEAKER_00: But it's just, that's like another time that I've seen that something grows so fast, you know?
1:19:10
SPEAKER_01: But this is the thing that we're talking about, right, Jai?
1:19:13
SPEAKER_01: Like, to me now, it's like normal.
1:19:15
SPEAKER_01: It's weird.
1:19:16
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, like you're talking like,
1:19:19
SPEAKER_01: it's so crazy.
1:19:20
SPEAKER_01: But so what do you think about me, Jai?
1:19:22
SPEAKER_01: So we've met, we've talked for almost an hour and a half.
1:19:26
SPEAKER_01: We're going to wrap up soon.
1:19:27
SPEAKER_01: But like, what do you think is my next thing?
1:19:30
SPEAKER_01: Because I hit a plateau too.
1:19:32
SPEAKER_01: Like, so when you see, because I really respect you, bro, like, This is your thing.
1:19:38
SPEAKER_01: You're an educator and you're like all about the break.
1:19:42
SPEAKER_01: What do you call it again?
1:19:43
SPEAKER_01: I keep forgetting.
1:19:44
SPEAKER_00: Making your break.
1:19:45
SPEAKER_01: Make your break.
1:19:46
SPEAKER_01: What's my next break?
1:19:47
SPEAKER_01: What's my next crack in the wall?
1:19:48
SPEAKER_01: You're my crack in the wall.
1:19:49
SPEAKER_01: I was your crack in your wall.
1:19:51
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:19:52
SPEAKER_01: Just give me the overall, the vibe that you're getting.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_00: Outside perspective, having a look.
1:19:58
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_00: You've only just begun.
1:20:03
SPEAKER_00: So you're very new, very new.
1:20:05
SPEAKER_00: And the mistake that most people make,
1:20:08
SPEAKER_00: including myself and a lot of friends,
1:20:10
SPEAKER_00: like big time friends now, and they regret it later, but they monetize too soon.
1:20:15
SPEAKER_00: And they start like coaching and like trying to get products out there and trying
1:20:20
SPEAKER_00: to get services out there and they're trying to monetize the channel,
1:20:23
SPEAKER_00: monetize the audience and stuff.
1:20:24
SPEAKER_00: Honestly, if you look at people that like I admire, like Mr.
1:20:27
SPEAKER_00: Beast, for instance, he like what?
1:20:30
SPEAKER_00: We went 10 years with not monetizing anything and just giving straight back into
1:20:34
SPEAKER_00: the account, straight back into the account, straight back into the account.
1:20:37
SPEAKER_00: And those,
1:20:38
SPEAKER_00: like someone like Gary Vee,
1:20:40
SPEAKER_00: he's still not going on there going like,
1:20:41
SPEAKER_00: hey, hire me for coaching, buy my course, do my thing.
1:20:45
SPEAKER_00: You know, like he's still just sharing.
1:20:46
SPEAKER_00: And so the growth is infinite as long as you continue bringing the value
1:20:52
SPEAKER_00: that you do, which is infinite.
1:20:54
SPEAKER_00: But the second that we flip it and start trying to monetize,
1:20:57
SPEAKER_00: it's the second that everything will cap and stop and go down.
1:21:00
SPEAKER_00: And so I believe that you shouldn't be in too much of a rush to try and make money
1:21:06
SPEAKER_00: and monetize anything,
1:21:07
SPEAKER_00: and you should just work out how can you give more, even more, be more thankful.
1:21:11
SPEAKER_00: If you want to do some coaching,
1:21:13
SPEAKER_00: do it for free on your social media,
1:21:15
SPEAKER_00: do it for free on YouTube and say, hey,
1:21:17
SPEAKER_00: I'll do free coaching each week,
1:21:19
SPEAKER_00: jump on,
1:21:19
SPEAKER_00: or I've got one lucky winner,
1:21:22
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:21:22
SPEAKER_00: whatever it is,
1:21:23
SPEAKER_00: but just give it,
1:21:24
SPEAKER_00: give it,
1:21:24
SPEAKER_00: give it until you're worth so much and people can see your coaching
1:21:28
SPEAKER_00: and see your stuff that's undeniable.
1:21:34
SPEAKER_00: That's what I would do.
1:21:37
SPEAKER_00: Just keep eating ramen noodles,
1:21:39
SPEAKER_00: two-minute noodles,
1:21:40
SPEAKER_00: whatever it is,
1:21:40
SPEAKER_00: for as long as you can, withstand, giving as much as you can to the world.
1:21:46
SPEAKER_01: The thing is, bro, I'm good financially right now.
1:21:49
SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
1:21:51
SPEAKER_01: I feel pressure because other people are like,
1:21:53
SPEAKER_01: hey, man, you're growing.
1:21:56
SPEAKER_01: Where's the course?
1:21:57
SPEAKER_01: Where's the book?
1:21:58
SPEAKER_01: And I don't really feel ready for that shit, bro.
1:22:00
SPEAKER_01: Say no to
1:22:02
SPEAKER_00: all of it.
1:22:03
SPEAKER_00: All of it is, it's just like little things.
1:22:04
SPEAKER_00: It's people that are not you would say yes to something that you will say no to
1:22:10
SPEAKER_00: and they wouldn't get the success that you would get.
1:22:13
SPEAKER_00: And I remember,
1:22:13
SPEAKER_00: here's a weird example,
1:22:15
SPEAKER_00: but I remember I bought some cryptocurrency and I bought cryptocurrency for
1:22:21
SPEAKER_00: a long time and it was 2019.
1:22:22
SPEAKER_00: I was like,
1:22:24
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to go all in on crypto and I sold out all these workshops
1:22:28
SPEAKER_00: and I put $50,000 into crypto.
1:22:30
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I'm going to sell it when it gets to a million dollars.
1:22:34
SPEAKER_00: I had my strategy and everything.
1:22:36
SPEAKER_00: And then in 2021, 2022, it started going up.
1:22:40
SPEAKER_00: And I remember I was screenshotting and sending it to a friend.
1:22:42
SPEAKER_00: It was like $200,000,
1:22:44
SPEAKER_00: $300,000,
1:22:44
SPEAKER_00: $500,000, back to $400,000, up to $600,000, down to $300,000, up to $700,000, down.
1:22:50
SPEAKER_00: And when I was showing my friends to anyone, they're like, sell now.
1:22:52
SPEAKER_00: No, sell now.
1:22:52
SPEAKER_01: Sell now.
1:22:53
SPEAKER_01: Man, you've got to lose all.
1:22:54
SPEAKER_01: Sell now.
1:22:54
SPEAKER_01: Sell now.
1:22:55
SPEAKER_01: Sell now.
1:22:56
SPEAKER_00: And I sold once it hit exactly $1 million.
1:22:58
SPEAKER_00: But I realized no one else would have.
1:23:01
SPEAKER_00: They would have sold once the 50 got to 100.
1:23:04
SPEAKER_00: So it goes up a little bit, they take the money.
1:23:06
SPEAKER_00: But you don't need to do that.
1:23:08
SPEAKER_00: You have a goal and most people won't get the greatness that you'll get
1:23:13
SPEAKER_00: because they will say no to the hard bit,
1:23:16
SPEAKER_00: which is continuing for a long period of time saying no to sponsors,
1:23:20
SPEAKER_00: to courses,
1:23:23
SPEAKER_00: to whatever the little trinket is that is trying to pull your attention away
1:23:28
SPEAKER_00: from your mission.
1:23:33
SPEAKER_01: Damn.
1:23:35
SPEAKER_01: Bro, and Mr.
1:23:36
SPEAKER_01: Beast, I love that guy, bro.
1:23:38
SPEAKER_01: That guy, he's admirable, bro.
1:23:42
SPEAKER_01: And he's figured it out, right?
1:23:43
SPEAKER_01: Like, he's so obsessed with this thing, like, since so, young.
1:23:48
SPEAKER_00: I know.
1:23:48
SPEAKER_00: It's amazing.
1:23:49
SPEAKER_00: It's amazing.
1:23:51
SPEAKER_00: And he's like,
1:23:52
SPEAKER_00: the mastery that he's got for, like,
1:23:53
SPEAKER_00: I remember watching,
1:23:54
SPEAKER_00: the first video I ever watched was a video where he bought a house on the side of
1:23:57
SPEAKER_00: the highway and put a billboard up saying a free house.
1:24:00
SPEAKER_00: And then the next person that drove in,
1:24:02
SPEAKER_00: they got the house for free and they're like, how'd you pay for it?
1:24:04
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, well,
1:24:05
SPEAKER_00: the channel's starting to make some money and I just put
1:24:06
SPEAKER_00: the video money straight back into buying this house.
1:24:09
SPEAKER_00: And I remember watching, I was like, this kid, because that was a long time ago.
1:24:12
SPEAKER_00: I was like, this kid is going to go so far because he understands that you don't withdraw money.
1:24:17
SPEAKER_00: It's not how it works.
1:24:18
SPEAKER_00: You just keep putting it, you just keep the deposits in, you know?
1:24:22
SPEAKER_00: Damn, bro.
1:24:24
SPEAKER_01: You called Mr.
1:24:25
SPEAKER_01: Beast early?
1:24:27
SPEAKER_01: Straight away.
1:24:27
SPEAKER_00: I could see it straight away.
1:24:28
SPEAKER_00: Straight away?
1:24:29
SPEAKER_01: For sure.
1:24:30
SPEAKER_01: Bro, what's your MBTI, by the way?
1:24:34
SPEAKER_01: Do you know?
1:24:35
SPEAKER_01: My what?
1:24:36
SPEAKER_01: MBTI?
1:24:38
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what that is.
1:24:41
SPEAKER_01: You're so old, bro.
1:24:45
SPEAKER_01: It's the Myers-Briggs personality test.
1:24:49
SPEAKER_01: Myers-Briggs.
1:24:51
SPEAKER_00: Well, I know what my Enneagram is, but I can't remember.
1:24:55
SPEAKER_00: It's the self generator or whatever it is.
1:25:01
SPEAKER_01: Are you introverted, by the way?
1:25:04
SPEAKER_00: Introvert, extrovert, yeah.
1:25:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm introverted for sure.
1:25:06
SPEAKER_00: And I extrovert myself into the situations I've got to be in.
1:25:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:25:16
SPEAKER_01: Hey, but before we go,
1:25:19
SPEAKER_01: like I want to tell you though,
1:25:20
SPEAKER_01: like going back,
1:25:22
SPEAKER_01: bro, so my evolution was in January, like I can't watch my first 20 videos.
1:25:27
SPEAKER_01: It's so cringe.
1:25:28
SPEAKER_01: Why?
1:25:29
SPEAKER_00: Because I can't watch them.
1:25:32
SPEAKER_01: You have to now.
1:25:34
SPEAKER_01: You have to, it's on TikTok.
1:25:35
SPEAKER_01: I didn't even post it on Instagram.
1:25:37
SPEAKER_01: But dude,
1:25:38
SPEAKER_01: like I was like talking about communication stuff because in my day job,
1:25:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm a communications coach for international executives, right?
1:25:47
SPEAKER_01: I have a big business background and I speak many languages and I was
1:25:51
SPEAKER_01: an English teacher as well, right?
1:25:53
SPEAKER_01: So I forgot what I was talking about, bro.
1:25:59
SPEAKER_01: What were you talking about?
1:26:00
SPEAKER_00: Back me up, bro.
1:26:01
SPEAKER_00: The first 20 videos and you're going to tell me how bad they were
1:26:05
SPEAKER_00: because you want me to start making some bad stuff.
1:26:09
SPEAKER_01: No, but I was making those videos and it was about communication and which is cool,
1:26:14
SPEAKER_01: but it didn't do well.
1:26:15
SPEAKER_01: And then I started making some other videos, psychology.
1:26:18
SPEAKER_01: I have a lot of interests.
1:26:20
SPEAKER_01: And then I started making those and those started taking off.
1:26:23
SPEAKER_01: And then like,
1:26:24
SPEAKER_01: Like people were telling me, bro,
1:26:26
SPEAKER_01: they were like,
1:26:26
SPEAKER_01: you got a niche, you got a good thing going and just do the psychology thing.
1:26:32
SPEAKER_01: You'll get a lot, you can do a course or book at some point.
1:26:35
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, that's not really what I want to do, dude.
1:26:38
SPEAKER_01: You know, I just want to like talk about stuff that I'm interested in.
1:26:41
SPEAKER_01: That was always the beginning part,
1:26:43
SPEAKER_01: you know,
1:26:43
SPEAKER_01: but like I was being constrained,
1:26:45
SPEAKER_01: like I have a brother who cares about me and he's just like,
1:26:49
SPEAKER_01: He's always about money, money, money.
1:26:50
SPEAKER_01: Like, he's a different story.
1:26:51
SPEAKER_01: I love the guy.
1:26:52
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
1:26:53
SPEAKER_01: But like, so he's like, oh, there's a, make the money, monetize, monetize.
1:26:56
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, that's not the point, dude.
1:26:58
SPEAKER_01: I don't need the money.
1:26:59
SPEAKER_01: You know, like, but I'm still getting that kind of pressure.
1:27:02
SPEAKER_01: And so I stayed in a certain lane.
1:27:06
SPEAKER_01: And then it's only recently, like past three.
1:27:09
SPEAKER_01: And by the way, I've lost a lot of followers too, where they're like, bro, who is this guy?
1:27:13
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
1:27:14
SPEAKER_01: They're like, I followed you for like the cool psychology guy.
1:27:19
SPEAKER_01: And now you're talking about getting high.
1:27:21
SPEAKER_01: You're talking about being a single cat dad.
1:27:24
SPEAKER_01: You're talking about aliens.
1:27:25
SPEAKER_00: You're going to shed some people.
1:27:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:27:28
SPEAKER_01: But what I'm saying is,
1:27:32
SPEAKER_01: That's the real me, right?
1:27:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
1:27:35
SPEAKER_01: Talking about all these things, but I was kind of hiding it.
1:27:39
SPEAKER_01: And what I'm saying now is just so liberating and I'm still growing, right?
1:27:44
SPEAKER_01: And I have now the right people coming to me who are saying, bro, I love this guy.
1:27:50
SPEAKER_01: I love that you curse.
1:27:52
SPEAKER_01: I love that you talk about this.
1:27:53
SPEAKER_01: I get the, right?
1:27:55
SPEAKER_01: So there's a churn going on.
1:27:57
SPEAKER_01: Or like people don't want to accept this new or this existing side, right?
1:28:02
SPEAKER_01: More sides of me.
1:28:03
SPEAKER_01: They're not cool with that, which is fine, right?
1:28:06
SPEAKER_01: But then like you got people are like, oh damn, I didn't know you had this side of you.
1:28:11
SPEAKER_01: And so that's the beauty of like the algorithm too.
1:28:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm realizing like, I just have to be, You know, it's kind of cliche now.
1:28:17
SPEAKER_01: I see a lot of videos talking about just be your authentic self.
1:28:21
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:28:22
SPEAKER_00: What does that mean?
1:28:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what does that mean?
1:28:24
SPEAKER_01: But like, that's, you know, that's what I feel like I'm doing.
1:28:28
SPEAKER_01: And it just, you know, it feels very aligned.
1:28:32
SPEAKER_01: And that's what I'm saying for you too.
1:28:34
SPEAKER_01: And by the way, this is the case for a lot of my...
1:28:37
SPEAKER_01: The special guests that come on.
1:28:39
SPEAKER_01: They're like, come on the live.
1:28:40
SPEAKER_01: You, you've done live, so you understand what it is.
1:28:42
SPEAKER_01: Because it sounds like that's the other interesting thing.
1:28:45
SPEAKER_01: You're really you in lives,
1:28:46
SPEAKER_01: not just here, but in other lives is the thing that I noticed that you said, right?
1:28:51
SPEAKER_01: And so, but for a lot of other special guests,
1:28:54
SPEAKER_01: they have this thing that their persona online,
1:28:58
SPEAKER_01: but then they come to the live and they're like,
1:29:00
SPEAKER_01: this is literally the most I've been myself in a public situation.
1:29:06
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
1:29:07
SPEAKER_00: So it's brand new to them, yeah.
1:29:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:29:09
SPEAKER_01: It's like, what?
1:29:10
SPEAKER_01: But this is the more interesting person, right?
1:29:14
SPEAKER_01: And it's a joke now.
1:29:16
SPEAKER_01: Like every Vibe Sesh, I'm like, hey, this does not match.
1:29:20
SPEAKER_01: But I expect them not to match because I've seen it so much now.
1:29:23
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
1:29:25
SPEAKER_01: But that's you, dude.
1:29:26
SPEAKER_01: Like you just got to put more of yourself out there.
1:29:29
SPEAKER_01: That's the thing, right?
1:29:30
SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm really excited about it.
1:29:33
SPEAKER_00: You're going to see an evolution.
1:29:34
SPEAKER_00: The evolution.
1:29:35
SPEAKER_00: And it's going to be
1:29:39
SPEAKER_01: credited to you.
1:29:39
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome, bro.
1:29:41
SPEAKER_01: Bro, I love meeting you.
1:29:42
SPEAKER_01: We always ask the guest one final question.
1:29:45
SPEAKER_01: I'm very curious about your answer.
1:29:48
SPEAKER_01: Okay?
1:29:48
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:29:49
SPEAKER_01: So it's called the eternal loop question.
1:29:57
SPEAKER_01: You know what that is?
1:29:58
SPEAKER_01: You've been asked this before?
1:29:59
SPEAKER_01: No?
1:29:59
SPEAKER_01: Okay, good.
1:30:00
SPEAKER_01: So there's one moment or experience that you're going to live over and over again.
1:30:09
SPEAKER_01: It's an eternal loop.
1:30:11
SPEAKER_01: It could be a moment, it could be experience.
1:30:13
SPEAKER_01: And as the assumption, just assume you're not going to get tired of it.
1:30:18
SPEAKER_01: You won't even know you're in a loop.
1:30:21
SPEAKER_01: It's so good that you won't even know you're in a loop.
1:30:24
SPEAKER_01: What would be that moment?
1:30:25
SPEAKER_01: What would be the eternal loop a moment for you or a moment or experience?
1:30:35
SPEAKER_00: I think the experience,
1:30:38
SPEAKER_00: the love that could loop over was
1:30:41
SPEAKER_00: the very first time I did host my big summit webinar thing was in COVID and we're
1:30:48
SPEAKER_00: in lockdown and it was like a big deal and we went live.
1:30:53
SPEAKER_00: And I had all my favorite creators there ready to like teach the audience and everything.
1:30:57
SPEAKER_00: And then the audience all rolled in and they're all just stoked with the value and everything.
1:31:02
SPEAKER_00: And just that day I was so exhausted.
1:31:04
SPEAKER_00: There was so much going on,
1:31:05
SPEAKER_00: but like I was filled with gratitude for the team,
1:31:09
SPEAKER_00: the people,
1:31:10
SPEAKER_00: like everything that was happening, everything that exploded from this one idea.
1:31:14
SPEAKER_00: I think that for me,
1:31:17
SPEAKER_00: if I could,
1:31:18
SPEAKER_00: You know,
1:31:18
SPEAKER_00: do that in many ways and many industries and many times in my life
1:31:22
SPEAKER_00: in different projects.
1:31:23
SPEAKER_00: I think that would be pretty amazing.
1:31:28
SPEAKER_01: Really?
1:31:29
SPEAKER_01: That's your moment.
1:31:30
SPEAKER_01: That's your eternal loop moment right there.
1:31:32
Damn.
1:31:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
1:31:39
SPEAKER_01: Tell me more though.
1:31:40
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm so curious.
1:31:42
SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, like to me, everybody's answer is so different.
1:31:46
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:31:46
SPEAKER_01: And it really shows like at the essence, like, what are we valuing?
1:31:52
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:31:52
SPEAKER_01: Like what, you know, like the answers are so different.
1:31:55
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'll tell you one of the, I'll tell you just to give you a flavor.
1:31:58
SPEAKER_01: There's so many different answers.
1:31:59
SPEAKER_01: And one of them that really struck me, it was from a special guest too.
1:32:02
SPEAKER_01: And he was like, had a very traumatic childhood.
1:32:05
SPEAKER_01: He was moved around place to place.
1:32:07
SPEAKER_01: And then finally he,
1:32:09
SPEAKER_01: he was at staying with his grandfather and his whole life,
1:32:12
SPEAKER_01: he's been ignored, abused and everything.
1:32:15
SPEAKER_01: And then he was at his grandfather's place and the grandfather was like about
1:32:20
SPEAKER_01: to change the channel on the TV.
1:32:23
SPEAKER_01: But that's when we had to check with the remote control.
1:32:26
SPEAKER_01: And before he changed the channel,
1:32:28
SPEAKER_01: he asked my special guest when he was a kid,
1:32:32
SPEAKER_01: Hey, actually, what do you want to watch?
1:32:37
SPEAKER_00: And that was his eternal moment.
1:32:39
SPEAKER_00: That recognition.
1:32:40
SPEAKER_00: That was his eternal moment.
1:32:43
SPEAKER_01: And he's like a happily married man.
1:32:46
SPEAKER_01: He has a beautiful wife, two beautiful kids.
1:32:48
SPEAKER_01: He's super happy.
1:32:50
SPEAKER_01: But that was, you know what I'm saying?
1:32:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
1:32:53
SPEAKER_00: it's like a human condition of like one of the things that we want deep down more
1:32:56
SPEAKER_00: than anything else is to be seen for who we truly are.
1:32:59
SPEAKER_00: And so grandfather has seen him for the first time in his life.
1:33:04
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, so I can see why that's like the most important thing in his life.
1:33:09
SPEAKER_01: Do you think that's what it was for your eternal moment?
1:33:12
SPEAKER_01: No.
1:33:12
SPEAKER_01: No.
1:33:13
SPEAKER_01: What do you think at the core, at the essence?
1:33:15
SPEAKER_00: At the core was that I brought so much value,
1:33:20
SPEAKER_00: but for other people, everyone around me in a massive way.
1:33:26
SPEAKER_00: So it was like an explosion of abundance.
1:33:28
SPEAKER_00: So everyone, everyone benefited.
1:33:32
SPEAKER_00: Like if I made money, it's like all my family benefited.
1:33:35
SPEAKER_00: My employees all benefited.
1:33:37
SPEAKER_00: They all felt like they were living in their purpose.
1:33:39
SPEAKER_00: The people that were like watching this stuff,
1:33:40
SPEAKER_00: they were all like getting mind blown and they're learning things.
1:33:43
SPEAKER_00: The opportunities for the other speakers, they're all getting things like everyone was winning.
1:33:47
SPEAKER_00: And so it was like just a moment of looking around going like,
1:33:50
SPEAKER_00: holy shit,
1:33:51
SPEAKER_00: like from an idea that was just in my head like a seed,
1:33:54
SPEAKER_00: it exploded a forest of just like,
1:33:56
SPEAKER_00: yeah, just about like tremendous amounts of impact and value to everybody.
1:34:01
SPEAKER_00: And it was cool.
1:34:04
SPEAKER_01: You're amazing, bro.
1:34:07
SPEAKER_01: Bro, abundance.
1:34:09
SPEAKER_01: Damn.
1:34:10
SPEAKER_00: Explosion, yeah.
1:34:11
SPEAKER_01: Abundance explosion.
1:34:14
SPEAKER_01: Everyone winning, bro.
1:34:16
SPEAKER_01: Everyone winning.
1:34:18
SPEAKER_01: Win-win situation.
1:34:20
SPEAKER_01: Those are the best.
1:34:21
SPEAKER_01: And the seed.
1:34:23
SPEAKER_01: Dude, isn't that crazy?
1:34:25
SPEAKER_01: It's literally started as a fucking idea in your head.
1:34:30
SPEAKER_01: And then you have your eternal loop from that one.
1:34:35
SPEAKER_00: It's so fucking crazy.
1:34:36
SPEAKER_00: But also like another thing is like it breaks my mindset on not so much capitalism,
1:34:41
SPEAKER_00: but what we do because a lot of the times with capitalism,
1:34:46
SPEAKER_00: a lot of times like someone sort of loses or somewhere loses.
1:34:48
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes we don't see it, you know?
1:34:50
SPEAKER_00: So it can be like the meat industry.
1:34:51
SPEAKER_00: It's like, we don't see that.
1:34:52
SPEAKER_00: Or it's like low paid wages.
1:34:55
SPEAKER_00: We don't see that, you know, whatever it is.
1:34:56
SPEAKER_00: But at that moment when that was happening,
1:35:00
SPEAKER_00: it was the first time I was like,
1:35:01
SPEAKER_00: this is business that can work where everyone wins.
1:35:05
SPEAKER_00: And it was like this, It was like this aha moment.
1:35:07
SPEAKER_00: I was like, whoa, like my staff were getting paid well, like really well, way above anything.
1:35:14
SPEAKER_00: Tickets were so cheap that everyone could afford it.
1:35:16
SPEAKER_00: All the speakers, I made a thing.
1:35:18
SPEAKER_00: I was like, all speakers are not doing it for exposure.
1:35:19
SPEAKER_00: They're getting paid.
1:35:20
SPEAKER_00: Everyone was getting paid.
1:35:22
SPEAKER_00: So it just felt like all the right things, all the ethical things were all like ticked off.
1:35:29
SPEAKER_00: And then it was like, will this work?
1:35:31
SPEAKER_00: Because most people say like, oh no, you can't sell something cheap.
1:35:33
SPEAKER_00: You won't be able to pay someone.
1:35:36
SPEAKER_00: You know,
1:35:36
SPEAKER_00: however that industry works, I've,
1:35:38
SPEAKER_00: I've done a lot of like speaking conferences for free because apparently
1:35:41
SPEAKER_00: the ticket prices doesn't, doesn't pay you or whatever.
1:35:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it was the first time that I like,
1:35:45
SPEAKER_00: I cracked the code and I was like, whoa, like you can sell cheap tickets.
1:35:50
SPEAKER_00: Everyone can get paid and everyone can have a good time and there still can be abundance.
1:35:55
SPEAKER_00: It was like, yeah, breaking, limiting beliefs.
1:36:02
Yeah.
1:36:04
SPEAKER_01: Bro, another video idea right there, bro.
1:36:07
SPEAKER_00: It is, isn't it?
1:36:08
SPEAKER_00: Oh, man.
1:36:10
SPEAKER_00: You're gonna say like five videos tomorrow.
1:36:13
SPEAKER_01: Bro, I know we're going to end soon, but I'm just super curious.
1:36:19
SPEAKER_01: And we can continue at some other point in time, but I'm just very curious.
1:36:23
SPEAKER_01: Two things.
1:36:24
SPEAKER_01: So what do you think,
1:36:25
SPEAKER_01: since you're Australian,
1:36:26
SPEAKER_01: like the situation in Australia,
1:36:28
SPEAKER_01: the government, the situation you think is going in a good direction?
1:36:31
SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, like in the U.S., the narrative is like, Australia losing freedoms and...
1:36:38
SPEAKER_01: It's a bad place to be, you know, a lot of rights being...
1:36:41
SPEAKER_01: So tell me about that.
1:36:42
SPEAKER_01: That's kind of the narrative that I have in my head.
1:36:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm not like a political guy.
1:36:46
SPEAKER_01: I don't follow news too closely,
1:36:47
SPEAKER_01: but it's just like, oh, they're losing all their freedoms kind of thing.
1:36:51
SPEAKER_01: So tell me about that and tell me what you think about AI.
1:36:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:36:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:36:54
SPEAKER_00: Well, with the political landscape,
1:36:57
SPEAKER_00: it's pretty interesting because with the US,
1:37:00
SPEAKER_00: in the last 10 years, I've traveled extensively to 30 different countries.
1:37:04
SPEAKER_00: I've been to a lot of socialist countries, communist countries, capitalists, obviously.
1:37:08
SPEAKER_00: America is the most capitalist country out of every country.
1:37:11
SPEAKER_00: And with that,
1:37:13
SPEAKER_00: you have to have a lot of propaganda to keep it that way,
1:37:17
SPEAKER_00: which is funny because in America, we, so I'm in America right now.
1:37:22
SPEAKER_00: It's really easy.
1:37:23
SPEAKER_00: And I see a lot of this is like communism is bad.
1:37:26
SPEAKER_00: China is bad.
1:37:27
SPEAKER_00: You know, Vietnam is bad.
1:37:28
SPEAKER_00: Communists are bad.
1:37:29
SPEAKER_00: Socialism is bad.
1:37:29
SPEAKER_00: And you see all this stuff like social, like we got mandami here in New York.
1:37:33
SPEAKER_00: It's like socialism is bad.
1:37:35
SPEAKER_00: And so, but the, but,
1:37:37
SPEAKER_00: The things that we say is bad often is the good things that everyone appreciates.
1:37:42
SPEAKER_00: Like socialism, I'm like, oh, libraries and Central Park, that's a socialist thing.
1:37:48
SPEAKER_00: The firefighters, that's a socialist thing.
1:37:50
SPEAKER_00: Healthcare, that's a socialist thing.
1:37:52
SPEAKER_00: The army, that's a socialist thing, actually.
1:37:54
SPEAKER_00: So in my mind,
1:37:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, well,
1:37:57
SPEAKER_00: the hospital, that's pretty... Healthcare, childcare, that's a socialist thing.
1:38:03
SPEAKER_00: So in my opinion, I'm like, well, actually, a lot of that stuff's good.
1:38:07
SPEAKER_00: And so Australia is more socialist than America.
1:38:10
SPEAKER_00: And for that reason, I believe that a lot of the news that you would get for Australia is
1:38:17
SPEAKER_00: because we're more socialist.
1:38:18
SPEAKER_00: Like we have free healthcare, for instance, things like that.
1:38:21
SPEAKER_00: So they would be throwing shade towards us.
1:38:23
SPEAKER_00: When we're in Australia,
1:38:24
SPEAKER_00: it doesn't feel like that at all.
1:38:25
SPEAKER_00: Like there is no news going on.
1:38:27
SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh, we're all losing everything.
1:38:29
SPEAKER_00: But, you know, yeah, so it's, It's a fascinating thing.
1:38:34
SPEAKER_00: It's like,
1:38:35
SPEAKER_00: depending on where the news is coming from,
1:38:37
SPEAKER_00: it's going to be a different story, if that makes sense.
1:38:40
SPEAKER_01: You've got to do this too.
1:38:42
SPEAKER_01: This will be controversial, but you need to make comments like this too.
1:38:46
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of bad information.
1:38:49
SPEAKER_01: This is kind of interesting.
1:38:50
SPEAKER_00: A lot of bad information, yeah.
1:38:52
SPEAKER_01: But what I'm saying is that's like very interesting,
1:38:54
SPEAKER_01: you know, like, yeah,
1:38:55
SPEAKER_01: we have different leaning towards socialism and we got free healthcare,
1:39:00
SPEAKER_01: you know, like, so is that a bad thing or a good thing?
1:39:03
SPEAKER_01: This is what I think.
1:39:04
SPEAKER_01: That's interesting too, bro.
1:39:06
SPEAKER_01: Bro, you could go in so many different directions, bro.
1:39:10
SPEAKER_01: Bro, you just got to be this guy right here.
1:39:12
SPEAKER_01: Like you got so many different, this guy's got to come out on social media, bro,
1:39:17
SPEAKER_00: you know?
1:39:18
SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited to do it as well.
1:39:20
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
1:39:20
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
1:39:21
SPEAKER_00: Finally.
1:39:22
SPEAKER_00: Finally.
1:39:23
SPEAKER_00: Bro, final thing before you go.
1:39:24
SPEAKER_00: AI.
1:39:25
SPEAKER_00: So what do you think about it?
1:39:26
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's an interesting thing.
1:39:28
SPEAKER_00: Do I think it's going to be the end of the world?
1:39:30
SPEAKER_00: It could be the end.
1:39:30
SPEAKER_00: It could be the beginning.
1:39:32
SPEAKER_00: It could be the beginning.
1:39:34
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:39:34
SPEAKER_00: End or beginning.
1:39:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because it's, well, it's going to be the end of the beginning of what we know now.
1:39:41
SPEAKER_01: It's a reinvention, bro.
1:39:43
SPEAKER_00: It's a reinvention.
1:39:44
SPEAKER_00: Depending on how we see it, but So there's a few things that I think about.
1:39:50
SPEAKER_00: Throughout time, history repeats itself.
1:39:52
SPEAKER_00: If you go back through time and go to the Industrial Revolution,
1:39:56
SPEAKER_00: before hydraulics,
1:39:58
SPEAKER_00: which was the huge thing,
1:40:00
SPEAKER_00: there was 30,000 men that would be out there digging a highway.
1:40:04
SPEAKER_00: Hydraulics came along and then you have like maybe 10 excavators.
1:40:07
SPEAKER_00: So 30,000 jobs disappeared.
1:40:09
SPEAKER_00: What happened,
1:40:10
SPEAKER_00: every time there's been an evolution,
1:40:12
SPEAKER_00: there has been less and less people unemployed.
1:40:15
SPEAKER_00: People don't realize that they always think like, oh, AI has taken all our jobs.
1:40:17
SPEAKER_00: Well, the excavators also took all our jobs and computers also took all of our jobs.
1:40:21
SPEAKER_00: Like there's,
1:40:22
SPEAKER_00: there's been a lot of evolutions,
1:40:23
SPEAKER_00: but there's never been a time in history that we've had more employment than ever
1:40:27
SPEAKER_00: before.
1:40:28
SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of, it's like what's fear and what's real.
1:40:31
SPEAKER_00: So that's number one.
1:40:34
SPEAKER_00: In the, in the,
1:40:35
SPEAKER_00: like the creative space,
1:40:36
SPEAKER_00: I think it's, it's going to take a while for people to find their feet.
1:40:40
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's going to be annoying for a lot of people,
1:40:43
SPEAKER_00: but I also think like,
1:40:45
SPEAKER_00: I think back when photography first got photoshopped,
1:40:49
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you remember this,
1:40:51
SPEAKER_00: but a lot of photographers started photoshopping dinosaurs into wedding photos.
1:40:54
SPEAKER_00: And it'll be like the couple running away.
1:40:57
SPEAKER_00: You should look at the couple running away and there'll be a T-Rex behind them.
1:41:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there was like this big trend.
1:41:03
SPEAKER_00: And then after a while, everyone was like, oh, that's so cool.
1:41:06
SPEAKER_00: But then eventually they were like, that's, We don't like that anymore.
1:41:09
SPEAKER_00: And then it went back to like, okay, let's just go back to what we were doing.
1:41:11
SPEAKER_00: So I kind of think the same thing of AI.
1:41:13
SPEAKER_00: It's like everyone's starting to make AI reels and stuff,
1:41:15
SPEAKER_00: but then all of a sudden like, well, it's not cool anymore.
1:41:18
SPEAKER_00: And then they're going back to like, well, let's just create what we were creating.
1:41:22
SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, I kind of think it's going to find its feet and we'll see what happens.
1:41:28
SPEAKER_01: Damn.
1:41:29
SPEAKER_01: Bro, that's another video idea right there about that thing.
1:41:35
SPEAKER_01: You guys remember when this...
1:41:37
SPEAKER_01: I don't even know about this trend, bro.
1:41:41
SPEAKER_01: Bro, you know what I'm saying?
1:41:42
SPEAKER_01: You're seeing the vision, bro?
1:41:44
SPEAKER_01: Bro, you're...
1:41:46
SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you something.
1:41:47
SPEAKER_00: All my lived experiences.
1:41:49
SPEAKER_01: All your lived experiences, your Hare Krishna thing...
1:41:54
SPEAKER_01: The neighbor that won the lottery, bro.
1:41:57
SPEAKER_01: It just doesn't even seem real.
1:41:59
SPEAKER_01: But the way you tell it, I'm like, holy shit, this happened?
1:42:03
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
1:42:05
SPEAKER_01: If I'm having that reaction, other people are going to have the fucking same reaction.
1:42:10
SPEAKER_01: You understand me?
1:42:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's so good.
1:42:13
SPEAKER_01: It's so good, bro.
1:42:15
SPEAKER_01: It's so fucking good.
1:42:17
SPEAKER_01: No, really.
1:42:18
SPEAKER_01: See, what I've been trying to do,
1:42:20
SPEAKER_01: and you can take whatever,
1:42:22
SPEAKER_01: whatever,
1:42:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm just throwing out there, but what I like, and I feel like you're like there too.
1:42:26
SPEAKER_01: Like for me,
1:42:28
SPEAKER_01: what I'm finding,
1:42:29
SPEAKER_01: and it's always an evolution,
1:42:30
SPEAKER_01: but I'm just like,
1:42:31
SPEAKER_01: I like mixing,
1:42:32
SPEAKER_01: like being funny and bringing my personality, but then bringing in the depth.
1:42:39
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
1:42:40
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
1:42:41
SPEAKER_00: I think that's why I followed you so quick because it was like, that's what I really enjoy.
1:42:45
SPEAKER_00: I like it when someone,
1:42:46
SPEAKER_00: they're not taking themselves seriously,
1:42:47
SPEAKER_00: but they can just like, they can switch in two seconds and give you the point.
1:42:51
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, that's exactly what I want.
1:42:52
SPEAKER_00: You know?
1:42:53
SPEAKER_01: That's what you should be doing too, bro.
1:42:56
SPEAKER_01: You're the same vibe, bro.
1:42:57
SPEAKER_01: You're the same vibe.
1:42:59
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:43:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm so happy we had a
1:43:01
SPEAKER_01: good conversation tonight.
1:43:05
SPEAKER_01: This was amazing.
1:43:06
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
1:43:07
SPEAKER_01: Bro, obviously we're going to keep in touch and You know, let's figure stuff out.
1:43:12
SPEAKER_01: Maybe we collaborate at some point, bro.
1:43:14
SPEAKER_01: And I would love to meet you.
1:43:15
SPEAKER_01: I'm from New York, by the way.
1:43:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
1:43:18
SPEAKER_00: And I need to get your address.
1:43:20
SPEAKER_00: I can send you one of these as well.
1:43:21
SPEAKER_00: I will.
1:43:22
SPEAKER_01: I'll DM you, bro.
1:43:23
SPEAKER_01: All right?
1:43:24
SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
1:43:25
SPEAKER_01: I'll see you soon, man.
1:43:26
SPEAKER_00: All right, buddy.
1:43:27
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, everybody.
1:43:28
SPEAKER_01: See you next week.
1:43:29
SPEAKER_01: Bye.